restaurant has WiFi

[Guest b11_]

A local restaurant has WiFi. If I was just outside the building with a

notebook that has WiFi, would the signal pass through the wall?

[Guest LVTravel]

Re: restaurant has WiFi

 

We don't know as we aren't there. Why don't you try it and find out. My

WAP is 60 feet from my laptop going through 5 walls and still have 54 Mbps

signal strength but these are standard house walls.

 

"b11_" <b11@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

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>A local restaurant has WiFi. If I was just outside the building with a

> notebook that has WiFi, would the signal pass through the wall?

[Guest PA Bear [MS MVP]]

Re: restaurant has WiFi

 

We shall alert the media to your remarkable discovery.

--

~PAÞ

 

b11_ wrote:

> A local restaurant has WiFi. If I was just outside the building with a

> notebook that has WiFi, would the signal pass through the wall?

[Guest Nil]

Re: restaurant has WiFi

 

On 12 Mar 2008, =?Utf-8?B?YjExXw==?= <b11@discussions.microsoft.com>

wrote in microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:

> A local restaurant has WiFi. If I was just outside the building

> with a notebook that has WiFi, would the signal pass through the

> wall?

 

Might. Try it and see.

[Guest Carey Frisch [MVP]]

Re: restaurant has WiFi

 

Maybe you should visit the owner of the

restaurant ask your question. Perhaps you

can also request a free meal.

 

--

Carey Frisch

Microsoft MVP

Windows Shell/User

 

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"b11_" wrote:

 

A local restaurant has WiFi. If I was just outside the building with a

notebook that has WiFi, would the signal pass through the wall?

[Guest PD43]

Re: restaurant has WiFi

 

b11_ <b11@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>A local restaurant has WiFi. If I was just outside the building with a

>notebook that has WiFi, would the signal pass through the wall?

 

did you TRY to see if your notebook would find the signal???????????

[Guest Nepatsfan]

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"b11_" <b11@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

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>A local restaurant has WiFi. If I was just outside the building with a

> notebook that has WiFi, would the signal pass through the wall?

 

 

Only if they have a take-out window :)

 

Seriously, you won't know the answer to that question until you try for

yourself.

 

Good luck

 

Nepatsfan

[Guest PD43]

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"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote:

>We shall alert the media to your remarkable discovery.

 

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

This guy seems to be a real bozo IMO

[Guest PD43]

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"Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote:

>Maybe you should visit the owner of the

>restaurant ask your question. Perhaps you

>can also request a free meal.

 

CAREY HAS A SENSE OF HUMOR!!!

 

PD43

(formerly known back in 2002 as "Barney Fife")

[Guest Ken Blake, MVP]

Re: restaurant has WiFi

 

On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 12:48:04 -0700, b11_

<b11@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> A local restaurant has WiFi. If I was just outside the building with a

> notebook that has WiFi, would the signal pass through the wall?

 

 

 

That depends on:

 

1. How strong the wifi signal is.

 

2. How far you are from the antenna.

 

3. What the walls are made of.

 

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[Guest PD43]

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"Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote:

>> A local restaurant has WiFi. If I was just outside the building with a

>> notebook that has WiFi, would the signal pass through the wall?

>

>That depends on:

>

>1. How strong the wifi signal is.

>

>2. How far you are from the antenna.

>

>3. What the walls are made of.

 

You forgot to include the possibility that even IF the signal was

available, the OP might not be able to access it without a user ID and

password provided by the restaurant.

 

Not cool, Mr. MVP

[Guest Ken Blake, MVP]

Re: restaurant has WiFi

 

On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:18:22 -0500, PD43 <pauld1943@comcast.net>

wrote:

> "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote:

>

> >> A local restaurant has WiFi. If I was just outside the building with a

> >> notebook that has WiFi, would the signal pass through the wall?

> >

> >That depends on:

> >

> >1. How strong the wifi signal is.

> >

> >2. How far you are from the antenna.

> >

> >3. What the walls are made of.

>

> You forgot to include the possibility that even IF the signal was

> available, the OP might not be able to access it without a user ID and

> password provided by the restaurant.

 

 

Nope, although what you say is true, in my experience it is seldom the

case. But more important, it is not relevant to his question "would

the signal pass through the wall?"

 

I am sometimes willing to read more into the question than the person

asked, in an effort to help. But not for someone who apparently wants

to steal the signal.

 

 

 

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[Guest PD43]

Re: restaurant has WiFi

 

"Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote:

>> You forgot to include the possibility that even IF the signal was

>> available, the OP might not be able to access it without a user ID and

>> password provided by the restaurant.

>

>Nope, although what you say is true, in my experience it is seldom the

>case. But more important, it is not relevant to his question "would

>the signal pass through the wall?"

>

>I am sometimes willing to read more into the question than the person

>asked, in an effort to help. But not for someone who apparently wants

>to steal the signal.

 

If the signal isn't userID/password protected, then it's technically

not stealing IMO. The onus is on the provider of the signal to

restrict its use to authorized accessors.

[Guest John]

Re: restaurant has WiFi

 

 

"PD43" <pauld1943@comcast.net> wrote in message

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> "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote:

>

>>> You forgot to include the possibility that even IF the signal was

>>> available, the OP might not be able to access it without a user ID and

>>> password provided by the restaurant.

>>

>>Nope, although what you say is true, in my experience it is seldom the

>>case. But more important, it is not relevant to his question "would

>>the signal pass through the wall?"

>>

>>I am sometimes willing to read more into the question than the person

>>asked, in an effort to help. But not for someone who apparently wants

>>to steal the signal.

>

> If the signal isn't userID/password protected, then it's technically

> not stealing IMO. The onus is on the provider of the signal to

> restrict its use to authorized accessors.

 

So that means if someone takes something from your wide open car/house, it's

not stealing? Awesome!

[Guest Carey Frisch [MVP]]

Re: restaurant has WiFi

 

If you use an unsecured signal, you place yourself

at risk that a hacker could steal whatever information

you transmit. Its not wise to steal wireless bandwidth!

 

--

Carey Frisch

Microsoft MVP

Windows Shell/User

 

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"PD43" wrote:

 

If the signal isn't userID/password protected, then it's technically

not stealing IMO. The onus is on the provider of the signal to

restrict its use to authorized accessors.

[Guest Bob]

Re: restaurant has WiFi

 

 

"b11_" <b11@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

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>A local restaurant has WiFi. If I was just outside the building with a

> notebook that has WiFi, would the signal pass through the wall?

 

Is this a trick question? A contest? Is there a prize for the best answer?

[Guest M.I.5¾]

Re: restaurant has WiFi

 

 

"PD43" <pauld1943@comcast.net> wrote in message

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> "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote:

>

>>> You forgot to include the possibility that even IF the signal was

>>> available, the OP might not be able to access it without a user ID and

>>> password provided by the restaurant.

>>

>>Nope, although what you say is true, in my experience it is seldom the

>>case. But more important, it is not relevant to his question "would

>>the signal pass through the wall?"

>>

>>I am sometimes willing to read more into the question than the person

>>asked, in an effort to help. But not for someone who apparently wants

>>to steal the signal.

>

> If the signal isn't userID/password protected, then it's technically

> not stealing IMO. The onus is on the provider of the signal to

> restrict its use to authorized accessors.

 

Then your interpretation is wrong. The courts have already decided that

using someone else's WiFi network without authorisation (whether secured or

not) is an offence under the Misuse of Computers Act. This was extensively

discussed not so long ago on uk.legal.

[Guest Bob I]

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John wrote:

> "PD43" <pauld1943@comcast.net> wrote in message

> news:7jngt31u9v9s2clsa34ro82fl8sr5pv47v@4ax.com...

>

>>"Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote:

>>

>>

>>>>You forgot to include the possibility that even IF the signal was

>>>>available, the OP might not be able to access it without a user ID and

>>>>password provided by the restaurant.

>>>

>>>Nope, although what you say is true, in my experience it is seldom the

>>>case. But more important, it is not relevant to his question "would

>>>the signal pass through the wall?"

>>>

>>>I am sometimes willing to read more into the question than the person

>>>asked, in an effort to help. But not for someone who apparently wants

>>>to steal the signal.

>>

>>If the signal isn't userID/password protected, then it's technically

>>not stealing IMO. The onus is on the provider of the signal to

>>restrict its use to authorized accessors.

>

>

> So that means if someone takes something from your wide open car/house, it's

> not stealing? Awesome!

>

 

Since radio waves are in the public domain, it's hardly the same thing.

If the "owner" provides the signal, the public may use it, plain and

simple. It's up to the owner to determine whether the signal is "public"

or "private", and the use the provided method to make it private if they

don't want it to be public access.

[Guest Bjarke Andersen]

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PD43 <pauld1943@comcast.net> crashed Echelon writing

news:7jngt31u9v9s2clsa34ro82fl8sr5pv47v@4ax.com:

> If the signal isn't userID/password protected, then it's technically

> not stealing IMO. The onus is on the provider of the signal to

> restrict its use to authorized accessors.

 

Difference is IMO (in this case your opinion) and the law.

In some countries gaining access to wireless networks even unsecured is

entering others private domain and is illegal.

 

--

Bjarke Andersen

[Guest PD43]

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"M.I.5¾" <no.one@no.where.NO_SPAM.co.uk> wrote:

>Then your interpretation is wrong. The courts have already decided that

>using someone else's WiFi network without authorisation (whether secured or

>not) is an offence under the Misuse of Computers Act. This was extensively

>discussed not so long ago on uk.legal.

 

Sorry, matey... I don't live in the UK.

[Guest Ken Blake, MVP]

Re: restaurant has WiFi

 

On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 08:08:52 -0500, Bob I <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Since radio waves are in the public domain, it's hardly the same thing.

> If the "owner" provides the signal, the public may use it, plain and

> simple. It's up to the owner to determine whether the signal is "public"

> or "private", and the use the provided method to make it private if they

> don't want it to be public access.

 

 

Although it's a somewhat gray area, at least in some states

(California, for example) it's specifically prohibited. Read here:

http://money.cnn.com/2005/08/08/technology/personaltech/internet_piracy/index.htm

or http://tinyurl.com/m4b4m

 

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[Guest Bob I]

Re: restaurant has WiFi

 

 

 

Ken Blake, MVP wrote:

> On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 08:08:52 -0500, Bob I <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote:

>

>

>>Since radio waves are in the public domain, it's hardly the same thing.

>>If the "owner" provides the signal, the public may use it, plain and

>>simple. It's up to the owner to determine whether the signal is "public"

>>or "private", and the use the provided method to make it private if they

>>don't want it to be public access.

>

>

>

> Although it's a somewhat gray area, at least in some states

> (California, for example) it's specifically prohibited. Read here:

> http://money.cnn.com/2005/08/08/technology/personaltech/internet_piracy/index.htm

> or http://tinyurl.com/m4b4m

>

 

The reason it's "gray" is because the "law" that is being used to charge

them is for "unauthorized access to computer or equipment". Now the

question is "DID the owner authorize it by making it publicly

available"? Throw that in to the mess and the charges become a lot

harder to make stick. The freedom of airwaves thing is the general rule.

That's why the broadcasters have to encrypt if they want to prosecute

for theft of signal. And to top it off there are some locales that have

laws about securing the signal, thereby making the owner responsible for

putting is wireless. So, the whole mess goes round and round. ;-)

[Guest Phisherman]

Re: restaurant has WiFi

 

On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 12:48:04 -0700, b11_

<b11@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>A local restaurant has WiFi. If I was just outside the building with a

>notebook that has WiFi, would the signal pass through the wall?

 

Only if you buy some food.

[Guest Bill Sharpe]

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b11_ wrote:

> A local restaurant has WiFi. If I was just outside the building with a

> notebook that has WiFi, would the signal pass through the wall?

 

Even if you weren't outside the building the signal would probably pass

through the wall...

 

Bill

[Guest none]

Re: restaurant has WiFi

 

All of you guys SLAMMING, BERATING, BELITTLING etc. ought to be ashamed

of yourselves. Sadly I see this kind of presumptuous immature predatory

behavior happening more and more in these groups. It speak VOLUMES of

your lack of maturity and character!

 

To answer the OP's question: PERHAPS!

I was at a local convenience store and saw a young man in his truck with

a laptop. Stopped to talk with him (an out of state traveler) and found

he was using the stores FREE wifi and gaming on the internet. This store

has a big sign in the front door saying they have it as well. Some

merchants use this as an attraction to generate more customers!

 

So there are PLENTY of *FREE* wifi locations around the world and there

are plenty of ways to find 'hotspots' (free wifi) in your area. Here are

a few sample web sites with info and examples:

 

enter your zip code and voila

http://www.wi-fihotspotlist.com/

 

this is a nice site but currently down (I don't know if it is

permanently down)

http://www.wififreespot.com/

 

http://www.freenetworks.org/

 

http://www.jiwire.com/search-hotspot-locations.htm

 

So there are plenty of FREE wifi hotspots, but there are also PAY

hotspots. In other words, you may see a wifi signal but will only be

able to log onto their network with a paid subscription, password etc.

 

Heck, I've heard many McDonalds have wifi and people use it a lot, but

you have to pay for a subscription.

 

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"b11_" <b11@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

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> A local restaurant has WiFi. If I was just outside the building with a

> notebook that has WiFi, would the signal pass through the wall?