An observation re Notepad

March 14, 2008

An observation re Notepad:

If you save anything creating text with Notepad set on "Wrap text," Notepad

will inject paragraph marks at the end of each line where it's wrapped. If

you don't want that to happen, you must turn off "Wrap text," which is sort

of impractical. Anyway, that's irritating. I have, however, found a way to

save a .txt file without those line-by-line paragraph marks: use MS Word

and save as text.

Jack

March 14, 2008

Re: An observation re Notepad

"Jack B" <jslimp01nospam@earthlink.net> wrote:

> I have, however, found a way to

>save a .txt file without those line-by-line paragraph marks: use MS Word

>and save as text.

THANK you SO much for that.

I've been waiting almost 15 years for that solution! <smirk>

March 14, 2008

Re: An observation re Notepad

"Jack B" <jslimp01nospam@earthlink.net> wrote in message

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> An observation re Notepad:

> If you save anything creating text with Notepad set on "Wrap text,"

> Notepad

> will inject paragraph marks at the end of each line where it's wrapped.

> If

> you don't want that to happen, you must turn off "Wrap text," which is

> sort

> of impractical. Anyway, that's irritating. I have, however, found a way

> to

> save a .txt file without those line-by-line paragraph marks: use MS Word

> and save as text.

>

> Jack

>

This is not correct: Notepad will not "inject" any paragraph marks.

It will simply break the screen line shortly before the right edge of

the frame. You can easily verify this: Drag the right edge left, then

right again. The lines keep adjusting themselves. If paragraph marks

had been inserted then the "shortened" lines would remain shortened.

March 14, 2008

Re: An observation re Notepad

Pegasus (MVP) wrote:

> "Jack B" <jslimp01nospam@earthlink.net> wrote in message

> news:eoOi5XghIHA.6092@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>> An observation re Notepad:

>> If you save anything creating text with Notepad set on "Wrap text,"

>> Notepad

>> will inject paragraph marks at the end of each line where it's wrapped.

>> If

>> you don't want that to happen, you must turn off "Wrap text," which is

>> sort

>> of impractical. Anyway, that's irritating. I have, however, found a way

>> to

>> save a .txt file without those line-by-line paragraph marks: use MS Word

>> and save as text.

>>

>> Jack

>>

>

> This is not correct: Notepad will not "inject" any paragraph marks.

> It will simply break the screen line shortly before the right edge of

> the frame. You can easily verify this: Drag the right edge left, then

> right again. The lines keep adjusting themselves. If paragraph marks

> had been inserted then the "shortened" lines would remain shortened.

>

The 'wrap' is confined to viewing in notepad. If you save the file and

open in a normal text editor, line breaks only occur where you pressed

newline when in notepad.

If you open in Word, word will wrap between margins. No special marks

are injected into the file. The cr/lf will only be visible if you elect

to show paragraph marks.

Dave Cohen

March 14, 2008

Re: An observation re Notepad

"Dave Cohen" <user@example.net> wrote in message

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> Pegasus (MVP) wrote:

>> "Jack B" <jslimp01nospam@earthlink.net> wrote in message

>> news:eoOi5XghIHA.6092@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>> An observation re Notepad:

>>> If you save anything creating text with Notepad set on "Wrap text,"

>>> Notepad

>>> will inject paragraph marks at the end of each line where it's wrapped.

>>> If

>>> you don't want that to happen, you must turn off "Wrap text," which is

>>> sort

>>> of impractical. Anyway, that's irritating. I have, however, found a

>>> way to

>>> save a .txt file without those line-by-line paragraph marks: use MS

>>> Word

>>> and save as text.

>>>

>>> Jack

>>>

>>

>> This is not correct: Notepad will not "inject" any paragraph marks.

>> It will simply break the screen line shortly before the right edge of

>> the frame. You can easily verify this: Drag the right edge left, then

>> right again. The lines keep adjusting themselves. If paragraph marks

>> had been inserted then the "shortened" lines would remain shortened.

> The 'wrap' is confined to viewing in notepad. If you save the file and

> open in a normal text editor, line breaks only occur where you pressed

> newline when in notepad.

> If you open in Word, word will wrap between margins. No special marks are

> injected into the file. The cr/lf will only be visible if you elect to

> show paragraph marks.

> Dave Cohen

Since you repeat more or less what I said, I assume that

you're replying to the OP, not to me.

March 15, 2008

Re: An observation re Notepad

Please note the critical word in what I stated: SAVE

"If you SAVE anything creating text with Notepad set on "Wrap text," Notepad

will inject paragraph marks at the end of each line where it's wrapped. If

you don't want that to happen, you must turn off "Wrap text," which is sort

of impractical. Anyway, that's irritating. I have, however, found a way to

save a .txt file without those line-by-line paragraph marks: use MS Word

and save as text."

Perhaps "insert" is the better word vs. "inject"; however, upon SAVING the

text document created with Notepad, the end of each line (at whatever width

you had Notepad) is ended with a paragraph mark. The next time you open

the file, all the lines of that document will be a fixed length, because

each line ends with a paragraph mark.

Jack

"Pegasus (MVP)" <I.can@fly.com.oz> wrote in message

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"Dave Cohen" <user@example.net> wrote in message

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> Pegasus (MVP) wrote:

March 15, 2008

Re: An observation re Notepad

"Jack B" <jslimp01nospam@earthlink.net> wrote in message

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> Please note the critical word in what I stated: SAVE

>

> "If you SAVE anything creating text with Notepad set on "Wrap text,"

> Notepad

> will inject paragraph marks at the end of each line where it's wrapped.

> If

> you don't want that to happen, you must turn off "Wrap text," which is

> sort

> of impractical. Anyway, that's irritating. I have, however, found a way

> to

> save a .txt file without those line-by-line paragraph marks: use MS Word

> and save as text."

>

> Perhaps "insert" is the better word vs. "inject"; however, upon SAVING the

> text document created with Notepad, the end of each line (at whatever

> width

> you had Notepad) is ended with a paragraph mark. The next time you open

> the file, all the lines of that document will be a fixed length, because

> each line ends with a paragraph mark.

>

> Jack

I'm aware that you wrote "Save" but your claim is still incorrect.

Saving a notepad.exe file with "wrap lines" set to active will

NOT insert any paragraph markers. Here is how you can

prove it to yourself:

1. Launch notepad.exe.

2. Make its width about half of your screen.

3. Activate "Word Wrap".

4. Write a text that spans 3 lines. Do NOT press {Enter}

at any time.

5. Save the file as c:\Wrapped.txt. According to your theory,

it should have at least two paragraph markers.

6. Deactivate "Word Wrap".

7. Save the file as "c:\Unwrapped.txt".

8. Open the file c:\Wrapped.txt. According to your theory,

there should be two paragraph markers. Where are they?

March 15, 2008

Re: An observation re Notepad

Just tested your little theory and it is wrong.

Saved a 5 line file with word wrap turned on and then turned

off word wrap, and of course it went off the right of the

screen, and did a save as to a different filename. Opened

both in Word and turned on Paragraph marks. Both files were

identical with only one paragraph mark present and that was

at the end of the file.

"Jack B" <jslimp01nospam@earthlink.net> wrote in message

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> Please note the critical word in what I stated: SAVE

>

> "If you SAVE anything creating text with Notepad set on

> "Wrap text," Notepad

> will inject paragraph marks at the end of each line where

> it's wrapped. If

> you don't want that to happen, you must turn off "Wrap

> text," which is sort

> of impractical. Anyway, that's irritating. I have,

> however, found a way to

> save a .txt file without those line-by-line paragraph

> marks: use MS Word

> and save as text."

>

> Perhaps "insert" is the better word vs. "inject"; however,

> upon SAVING the

> text document created with Notepad, the end of each line

> (at whatever width

> you had Notepad) is ended with a paragraph mark. The

> next time you open

> the file, all the lines of that document will be a fixed

> length, because

> each line ends with a paragraph mark.

>

> Jack

>

> "Pegasus (MVP)" <I.can@fly.com.oz> wrote in message

> news:u0kv7ihhIHA.2084@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>

> "Dave Cohen" <user@example.net> wrote in message

> news:qOBCj.753$jw2.508@trndny04...

>> Pegasus (MVP) wrote:

>

March 16, 2008

Re: An observation re Notepad

Yes, if you turn off word wrap, that's a different story.

Jack

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"LVTravel" <none@nothere.com> wrote in message

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Just tested your little theory and it is wrong.

Saved a 5 line file with word wrap turned on and then turned

off word wrap, and of course it went off the right of the

screen, and did a save as to a different filename. Opened

both in Word and turned on Paragraph marks. Both files were

identical with only one paragraph mark present and that was

at the end of the file.

"Jack B" <jslimp01nospam@earthlink.net> wrote in message

news:uks3cbuhIHA.4140@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> Please note the critical word in what I stated: SAVE

>

> "If you SAVE anything creating text with Notepad set on

> "Wrap text," Notepad

> will inject paragraph marks at the end of each line where

> it's wrapped. If

> you don't want that to happen, you must turn off "Wrap

> text," which is sort

> of impractical. Anyway, that's irritating. I have,

> however, found a way to

> save a .txt file without those line-by-line paragraph

> marks: use MS Word

> and save as text."

>

> Perhaps "insert" is the better word vs. "inject"; however,

> upon SAVING the

> text document created with Notepad, the end of each line

> (at whatever width

> you had Notepad) is ended with a paragraph mark. The

> next time you open

> the file, all the lines of that document will be a fixed

> length, because

> each line ends with a paragraph mark.

>

> Jack

>

> "Pegasus (MVP)" <I.can@fly.com.oz> wrote in message

> news:u0kv7ihhIHA.2084@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>

> "Dave Cohen" <user@example.net> wrote in message

> news:qOBCj.753$jw2.508@trndny04...

>> Pegasus (MVP) wrote:

>

March 16, 2008

Re: An observation re Notepad

Actually it is the same story. Both files, one created with

word wrap on and one created with word wrap off created the

identical file when viewed in MS Word with the paragraph

marks turned on. Only the final paragraph mark was visible.

Spaces between words had the normal dot between them but no

other special characters. Your theory is wrong or you have

issues with your computer.

"Jack B" <jslimp01nospam@earthlink.net> wrote in message

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> Yes, if you turn off word wrap, that's a different story.

>

> Jack

>

> --------------------------------

>

> "LVTravel" <none@nothere.com> wrote in message

> news:%23SugKTvhIHA.2304@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> Just tested your little theory and it is wrong.

>

> Saved a 5 line file with word wrap turned on and then

> turned

> off word wrap, and of course it went off the right of the

> screen, and did a save as to a different filename. Opened

> both in Word and turned on Paragraph marks. Both files

> were

> identical with only one paragraph mark present and that

> was

> at the end of the file.

>

> "Jack B" <jslimp01nospam@earthlink.net> wrote in message

> news:uks3cbuhIHA.4140@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>> Please note the critical word in what I stated: SAVE

>>

>> "If you SAVE anything creating text with Notepad set on

>> "Wrap text," Notepad

>> will inject paragraph marks at the end of each line where

>> it's wrapped. If

>> you don't want that to happen, you must turn off "Wrap

>> text," which is sort

>> of impractical. Anyway, that's irritating. I have,

>> however, found a way to

>> save a .txt file without those line-by-line paragraph

>> marks: use MS Word

>> and save as text."

>>

>> Perhaps "insert" is the better word vs. "inject";

>> however,

>> upon SAVING the

>> text document created with Notepad, the end of each line

>> (at whatever width

>> you had Notepad) is ended with a paragraph mark. The

>> next time you open

>> the file, all the lines of that document will be a fixed

>> length, because

>> each line ends with a paragraph mark.

>>

>> Jack

>>

>> "Pegasus (MVP)" <I.can@fly.com.oz> wrote in message

>> news:u0kv7ihhIHA.2084@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>

>> "Dave Cohen" <user@example.net> wrote in message

>> news:qOBCj.753$jw2.508@trndny04...

>>> Pegasus (MVP) wrote:

>>

>

March 17, 2008

Re: An observation re Notepad

LTV --

Please note what PD43 posted above:

"THANK you SO much for that. I've been waiting almost 15 years for that

solution! "

It happens.

Cheers.

Jack

-----------------------------------

"LVTravel" <none@nothere.com> wrote in message

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Actually it is the same story. Both files, one created with

word wrap on and one created with word wrap off created the

identical file when viewed in MS Word with the paragraph

marks turned on. Only the final paragraph mark was visible.

Spaces between words had the normal dot between them but no

other special characters. Your theory is wrong or you have

issues with your computer.

March 17, 2008

Re: An observation re Notepad

"Jack B" <jslimp01nospam@earthlink.net> wrote in message

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> LTV --

>

> Please note what PD43 posted above:

> "THANK you SO much for that. I've been waiting almost 15 years for that

> solution! "

>

> It happens.

>

> Cheers.

>

> Jack

Jack,

Please note: PD43 was being sarcastic. He was pulling your

leg. He might as well have said "Thank you so much for telling

me that the earth is flat." If you insist that your notepad earth

is flat then so be it. Your minde is obviously made up - there

no point in trying to confuse you with the facts.

March 21, 2008

Re: An observation re Notepad

"Jack B" <jslimp01nospam@earthlink.net> wrote in message

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> An observation re Notepad:

> If you save anything creating text with Notepad set on "Wrap text,"

> Notepad

> will inject paragraph marks at the end of each line where it's wrapped.

> If

> you don't want that to happen, you must turn off "Wrap text," which is

> sort

> of impractical. Anyway, that's irritating. I have, however, found a way

> to

> save a .txt file without those line-by-line paragraph marks: use MS Word

> and save as text.

>

> Jack

>

I suggest you try using the Emacs text editor. After you start using Emacs

you will not need to use Notepad very much any more.

http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs

--

Allan

March 21, 2008

Re: An observation re Notepad

LTV --

Please note what PD43 posted above:

"THANK you SO much for that. I've been waiting almost 15 years for that

solution! "

It happens.

Interestingly enough, it is now not happening to me!?

Cheers.

Jack

-----------------------------------

"LVTravel" <none@nothere.com> wrote in message

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Actually it is the same story. Both files, one created with

word wrap on and one created with word wrap off created the

identical file when viewed in MS Word with the paragraph

marks turned on. Only the final paragraph mark was visible.

Spaces between words had the normal dot between them but no

other special characters. Your theory is wrong or you have

issues with your computer.

"Jack B" <jslimp01nospam@earthlink.net> wrote in message

news:uVOFisvhIHA.6092@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> Yes, if you turn off word wrap, that's a different story.

>

> Jack

>

> --------------------------------

>

> "LVTravel" <none@nothere.com> wrote in message

> news:%23SugKTvhIHA.2304@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> Just tested your little theory and it is wrong.

>

> Saved a 5 line file with word wrap turned on and then

> turned

> off word wrap, and of course it went off the right of the

> screen, and did a save as to a different filename. Opened

> both in Word and turned on Paragraph marks. Both files

> were

> identical with only one paragraph mark present and that

> was

> at the end of the file.

>

> "Jack B" <jslimp01nospam@earthlink.net> wrote in message

> news:uks3cbuhIHA.4140@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>> Please note the critical word in what I stated: SAVE

>>

>> "If you SAVE anything creating text with Notepad set on

>> "Wrap text," Notepad

>> will inject paragraph marks at the end of each line where

>> it's wrapped. If

>> you don't want that to happen, you must turn off "Wrap

>> text," which is sort

>> of impractical. Anyway, that's irritating. I have,

>> however, found a way to

>> save a .txt file without those line-by-line paragraph

>> marks: use MS Word

>> and save as text."

>>

>> Perhaps "insert" is the better word vs. "inject";

>> however,

>> upon SAVING the

>> text document created with Notepad, the end of each line

>> (at whatever width

>> you had Notepad) is ended with a paragraph mark. The

>> next time you open

>> the file, all the lines of that document will be a fixed

>> length, because

>> each line ends with a paragraph mark.

>>

>> Jack

>>

>> "Pegasus (MVP)" <I.can@fly.com.oz> wrote in message

>> news:u0kv7ihhIHA.2084@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>

>> "Dave Cohen" <user@example.net> wrote in message

>> news:qOBCj.753$jw2.508@trndny04...

>>> Pegasus (MVP) wrote:

>>

>

March 21, 2008

Re: An observation re Notepad

"Jack B" <jslimp01nospam@earthlink.net> wrote in message

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> LTV --

>

> Please note what PD43 posted above:

> "THANK you SO much for that. I've been waiting almost 15 years for that

> solution! "

>

> It happens.

>

> Interestingly enough, it is now not happening to me!?

>

> Cheers.

>

> Jack

Are you saying that you have discovered that the earth is not

flat, after all? If so then this would be a major breakthrough

for you!

March 21, 2008

Re: An observation re Notepad

On Mar 21, 5:30 pm, "Jack B" <jslimp01nos...@earthlink.net> wrote:

> LTV --

>

> Please note what PD43 posted above:

> "THANK you SO much for that. I've been waiting almost 15 years for that

> solution! "

>

> It happens.

>

> Interestingly enough, it is now not happening to me!?

>

> Cheers.

>

> Jack

Jack, did you notice the "smirk" in that reply? The respondent was

being sarcastic. You are flat-out wrong about Notepad. If you indeed

observe this behavior on your computer, you have either some problem

or not the vanilla Notepad that MS ships.

March 22, 2008

Re: An observation re Notepad

Facts are facts. It happened.

I had done several things in Notepad for insertion into a website page.

Upon later loading Notepad and opening the file(s) I intended to copy onto

the webpage, I discovered each line in Notepad had a break at the point

where it was configured when saved. I did some testing and discovered that

every time I saved with Word wrap on, I got the same results.

>If you indeed observe this behavior on your computer, you have either some

>problem or not the vanilla Notepad that MS ships.<

My Notepad is the same one that came with the pc and Win XP. I'm not saying

that there was not some pc problem (the situation no longer exists), but I

tested it several times and got the same results. Obviously, PD43 also had

the problem.

Jack

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"MikeB" <MPBrede@gmail.com> wrote in message

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On Mar 21, 5:30 pm, "Jack B" <jslimp01nos...@earthlink.net> wrote:

> LTV --

>

> Please note what PD43 posted above:

> "THANK you SO much for that. I've been waiting almost 15 years for that

> solution! "

>

> It happens.

>

> Interestingly enough, it is now not happening to me!?

>

> Cheers.

>

> Jack

Jack, did you notice the "smirk" in that reply? The respondent was

being sarcastic. You are flat-out wrong about Notepad. If you indeed

observe this behavior on your computer, you have either some problem

or not the vanilla Notepad that MS ships.

March 22, 2008

Re: An observation re Notepad

<snip>

<Obviously, PD43 also had the problem.

Not obvious at all. I recommend you look up the

meaning of "sarcasm" in your dictionary.

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