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Posted

Re: SERIOUS COMPUTER PROBLEM!

 

On Mar 17, 7:16 am, db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. .

<databaseben.public.newsgroup.microsoft.com> wrote:

> if you are using windows xp,

> there is no more dos.

>

> the prompt you are trying to

> get to is the windows xp

> disk system prompt that

> can be accessed via the

> recovery console of "any"

> windows setup cd or

> via emergency start up

> boot disks.   sometimes

> i refer to its similarity with

> the old dos because most

> people are highly familiar

> with this methodology.

>

> ---------------

>

> it is unfortunate that an

> otherwise simple task of

> checking the integrity of

> your file system directly

> from the disk has become

> a burden.

>

> unfortunately, there could

> many things that are causing

> this to be a complex matter

> and because there are millions

> of combinations involving

> hardware and software, it is

> impossible to find out where

> the needle is in the haystack.

>

> what seems to be the best

> course of action is to bring

> your system back to its' basic

> and tested functionality.

>

> my suggestion is to:

>

> 1) get into you o.s. and begin

> the process of copying all your

> personal files off the disk and onto

> cd's or dvds.   Or if you have a

> another partition or harddrive,

> transfer your files over to them.

>

> 2)  bring your pc back to its

> basic hardware configuration by remove

> all peripherals except kb, video and

> mouse.  If you have a special video

> adaptor temporarily remove this as

> well.

>

> 3) then reinstall windows from

> scratch and install "nothing" else

> that is none microsoft onto your

> pc (including updates) in order to

> ensure it functions without errors

> for a couple of days.

>

> the above could be avoided perhaps

> with a "repair installation", however

> your disk system has locked you out

> because of the administrator password.

>

> and though there are freewares that

> will get you the passwords, if any, i

> think that your system is doomed because

> of the faulty check disks.  so in my

> opinion, it would be a further waste

> of time trying to repair what you have.

>

> another way to see this is that if

> the method of reinstalling windows

> was used several days ago, it would

> have taken only a couple of hours to

> get you back online.   however, as

> you can see, it has now been many

> days struggling with this issue.

>

> there may be a possibility that if

> simply reinstalling windows over

> your current one doesn't work then

> you may need to format the disk.

>

> the alternative to the above is

> to buy a second harddrive and

> simply install a new windows

> onto it.

>

> having a secondary windows that

> is functional will provide you with

> the opportunity to operate and

> repair the dysfunctional

> one or wipe it away.

>

> --

>

> db·´¯`·...¸><)))º>

>

> "Robert" <magine...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

>

> news:b659271b-ed6f-4520-b42d-104df9c703e2@d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com...

> On Mar 16, 5:56 pm, Robert <magine...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>

>

>

 

It's hard for me to believe that all this happened after I updated my

computer; that's all I did. I just invested in a new hard drive only a

couple of months ago along with a new DVD/RW drive and I don't have

allot of money as I'm on a fixed income. Even though I can't get past

the prompt to do a chkntfs.exe c: or complete CHKDSK the system seems

to act normally and I haven't had any problems since then. I guess

from what you say I will have to get another hard drive. Just out of

curiosity what would happen if I didn't do anything? Would the

computer start to get worst?

 

Robert

Guest db ´¯`·.. >
Posted

Re: SERIOUS COMPUTER PROBLEM!

 

no, you don't need

to buy a new harddrive,

it was only an alternative.

 

lets review what has occurred

with your system:

 

supposedly, your system

was running fine, until there

was an update that caused

an issue. then a check disk

was initiated and was unable

to complete and reran numerously,

locking you out of the system.

then it was a failed attempt to

log into the recovery console, it

seems that your windows cd may

have made a marginal correction

to your faulty system and gave

you access again.

 

at this time there is no proof

that an update caused the problem

and could be an assumption or

coincidence. (if it is an update

then you can uninstall it/them)

 

next we are not certain that your

system was perfectly functional

and may have seem ok, but it

may have not been operating

perfectly. for one thing the

check disk issue and secondly

you are unable to log into the

disk system because of ntpassword.

 

both the failed check disk

and the inability to log into

the recovery console is

indicative of other issues.

 

the above is only what we

know of, but there may still

be more issues involved.

 

my suggestion was simply

to reinstall windows from

scratch as an easy method.

 

at this time you should

copy all your personal files

off the disk. then you will

have the freedom to work on

the o.s..

 

fortunately, you have regain

access to the o.s. and to the

registry, but who knows for

how long. until the o.s. is

perfect and you can log into

the recovery console, safemodes

and run complete checkdisks,

your are on shaky ground.

as i mentioned who knows what

all else is dysfunctional. further

what you may see as acceptable

functionality, we would likely

see your system as needing much

optimization. but we don't have

supergeek vision.

 

here is some info on

the recovery console. somewhere

in the middle there is a

registry tweak regarding the

administrator password.

 

http://www.theeldergeek.com/recovery_console.htm

 

keep in mind here is that

1) get your personal files to safety

2) log into the recovery console

and get a clean bill of health from

the check disk. (do a chkdsk /r).

 

--

 

db·´¯`·...¸><)))º>

 

"Robert" <magineeer@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:fb50edc1-b4d5-408b-a9d3-3cba77301a56@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

On Mar 17, 7:16 am, db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. .

<databaseben.public.newsgroup.microsoft.com> wrote:

> if you are using windows xp,

> there is no more dos.

>

> the prompt you are trying to

> get to is the windows xp

> disk system prompt that

> can be accessed via the

> recovery console of "any"

> windows setup cd or

> via emergency start up

> boot disks. sometimes

> i refer to its similarity with

> the old dos because most

> people are highly familiar

> with this methodology.

>

> ---------------

>

> it is unfortunate that an

> otherwise simple task of

> checking the integrity of

> your file system directly

> from the disk has become

> a burden.

>

> unfortunately, there could

> many things that are causing

> this to be a complex matter

> and because there are millions

> of combinations involving

> hardware and software, it is

> impossible to find out where

> the needle is in the haystack.

>

> what seems to be the best

> course of action is to bring

> your system back to its' basic

> and tested functionality.

>

> my suggestion is to:

>

> 1) get into you o.s. and begin

> the process of copying all your

> personal files off the disk and onto

> cd's or dvds. Or if you have a

> another partition or harddrive,

> transfer your files over to them.

>

> 2) bring your pc back to its

> basic hardware configuration by remove

> all peripherals except kb, video and

> mouse. If you have a special video

> adaptor temporarily remove this as

> well.

>

> 3) then reinstall windows from

> scratch and install "nothing" else

> that is none microsoft onto your

> pc (including updates) in order to

> ensure it functions without errors

> for a couple of days.

>

> the above could be avoided perhaps

> with a "repair installation", however

> your disk system has locked you out

> because of the administrator password.

>

> and though there are freewares that

> will get you the passwords, if any, i

> think that your system is doomed because

> of the faulty check disks. so in my

> opinion, it would be a further waste

> of time trying to repair what you have.

>

> another way to see this is that if

> the method of reinstalling windows

> was used several days ago, it would

> have taken only a couple of hours to

> get you back online. however, as

> you can see, it has now been many

> days struggling with this issue.

>

> there may be a possibility that if

> simply reinstalling windows over

> your current one doesn't work then

> you may need to format the disk.

>

> the alternative to the above is

> to buy a second harddrive and

> simply install a new windows

> onto it.

>

> having a secondary windows that

> is functional will provide you with

> the opportunity to operate and

> repair the dysfunctional

> one or wipe it away.

>

> --

>

> db·´¯`·...¸><)))º>

>

> "Robert" <magine...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

>

> news:b659271b-ed6f-4520-b42d-104df9c703e2@d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com...

> On Mar 16, 5:56 pm, Robert <magine...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>

>

>

 

It's hard for me to believe that all this happened after I updated my

computer; that's all I did. I just invested in a new hard drive only a

couple of months ago along with a new DVD/RW drive and I don't have

allot of money as I'm on a fixed income. Even though I can't get past

the prompt to do a chkntfs.exe c: or complete CHKDSK the system seems

to act normally and I haven't had any problems since then. I guess

from what you say I will have to get another hard drive. Just out of

curiosity what would happen if I didn't do anything? Would the

computer start to get worst?

 

Robert

Guest Robert
Posted

Re: SERIOUS COMPUTER PROBLEM!

 

On Mar 17, 4:35 pm, db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. .

<databaseben.public.newsgroup.microsoft.com> wrote:

> no, you don't need

> to buy a new harddrive,

> it was only an alternative.

>

> lets review what has occurred

> with your system:

>

> supposedly, your system

> was running fine, until there

> was an update that caused

> an issue.  then a check disk

> was initiated and was unable

> to complete and reran numerously,

> locking you out of the system.

> then it was a failed attempt to

> log into the recovery console, it

> seems that your windows cd may

> have made a marginal correction

> to your faulty system and gave

> you access again.

>

> at this time there is no proof

> that an update caused the problem

> and could be an assumption or

> coincidence.   (if it is an update

> then you can uninstall it/them)

>

> next we are not certain that your

> system was perfectly functional

> and may have seem ok, but it

> may have not been operating

> perfectly.  for one thing the

> check disk issue and secondly

> you are unable to log into the

> disk system because of ntpassword.

>

> both the failed check disk

> and the inability to log into

> the recovery console is

> indicative of other issues.

>

> the above is only what we

> know of, but there may still

> be more issues involved.

>

> my suggestion was simply

> to reinstall windows from

> scratch as an easy method.

>

> at this time you should

> copy all your personal files

> off the disk.   then you will

> have the freedom to work on

> the o.s..

>

> fortunately, you have regain

> access to the o.s. and to the

> registry, but who knows for

> how long.   until the o.s. is

> perfect and you can log into

> the recovery console, safemodes

> and run complete checkdisks,

> your are on shaky ground.

> as i mentioned who knows what

> all else is dysfunctional.  further

> what you may see as acceptable

> functionality, we would likely

> see your system as needing much

> optimization.  but we don't have

> supergeek vision.

>

> here is some info on

> the recovery console. somewhere

> in the middle there is a

> registry tweak regarding the

> administrator password.

>

> http://www.theeldergeek.com/recovery_console.htm

>

> keep in mind here is that

> 1) get your personal files to safety

> 2) log into the recovery console

> and get a clean bill of health from

> the check disk.  (do a chkdsk /r).

>

> --

>

> db·´¯`·...¸><)))º>

>

 

 

Ok, I tried to access the Recovery Console once again but it failed

once again at the administrator password. I then tried to do a System

Restore to Saturday which was when the computer came back up and the

System Restore worked!

 

I suppose what I need to do now is move off all my personal files from

the computer and bring it down to bare bones, e.g. keyboard, mouse,

and video and reload XP and see if it will do a chkdsk/r (do I type it

like that or are you referring from the Recovery Console)? Should I

also do a chkntfs.exe c: ? fixmbr? fixboot? or should I just re-

install and do the chkdsk?

 

Thoughts/

Suggestions?

Robert

Guest Robert
Posted

Re: SERIOUS COMPUTER PROBLEM!

 

On Mar 17, 4:35 pm, db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. .

<databaseben.public.newsgroup.microsoft.com> wrote:

> no, you don't need

> to buy a new harddrive,

> it was only an alternative.

>

> lets review what has occurred

> with your system:

>

> supposedly, your system

> was running fine, until there

> was an update that caused

> an issue.  then a check disk

> was initiated and was unable

> to complete and reran numerously,

> locking you out of the system.

> then it was a failed attempt to

> log into the recovery console, it

> seems that your windows cd may

> have made a marginal correction

> to your faulty system and gave

> you access again.

>

> at this time there is no proof

> that an update caused the problem

> and could be an assumption or

> coincidence.   (if it is an update

> then you can uninstall it/them)

>

> next we are not certain that your

> system was perfectly functional

> and may have seem ok, but it

> may have not been operating

> perfectly.  for one thing the

> check disk issue and secondly

> you are unable to log into the

> disk system because of ntpassword.

>

> both the failed check disk

> and the inability to log into

> the recovery console is

> indicative of other issues.

>

> the above is only what we

> know of, but there may still

> be more issues involved.

>

> my suggestion was simply

> to reinstall windows from

> scratch as an easy method.

>

> at this time you should

> copy all your personal files

> off the disk.   then you will

> have the freedom to work on

> the o.s..

>

> fortunately, you have regain

> access to the o.s. and to the

> registry, but who knows for

> how long.   until the o.s. is

> perfect and you can log into

> the recovery console, safemodes

> and run complete checkdisks,

> your are on shaky ground.

> as i mentioned who knows what

> all else is dysfunctional.  further

> what you may see as acceptable

> functionality, we would likely

> see your system as needing much

> optimization.  but we don't have

> supergeek vision.

>

> here is some info on

> the recovery console. somewhere

> in the middle there is a

> registry tweak regarding the

> administrator password.

>

> http://www.theeldergeek.com/recovery_console.htm

>

> keep in mind here is that

> 1) get your personal files to safety

> 2) log into the recovery console

> and get a clean bill of health from

> the check disk.  (do a chkdsk /r).

>

> --

>

> db·´¯`·...¸><)))º>

>

> "Robert" <magine...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

>

> news:fb50edc1-b4d5-408b-a9d3-3cba77301a56@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

> On Mar 17, 7:16 am,  db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. .

>

>

>

>

>

> <databaseben.public.newsgroup.microsoft.com> wrote:

> > if you are using windows xp,

> > there is no more dos.

>

> > the prompt you are trying to

> > get to is the windows xp

> > disk system prompt that

> > can be accessed via the

> > recovery console of "any"

> > windows setup cd or

> > via emergency start up

> > boot disks. sometimes

> > i refer to its similarity with

> > the old dos because most

> > people are highly familiar

> > with this methodology.

>

> > ---------------

>

> > it is unfortunate that an

> > otherwise simple task of

> > checking the integrity of

> > your file system directly

> > from the disk has become

> > a burden.

>

> > unfortunately, there could

> > many things that are causing

> > this to be a complex matter

> > and because there are millions

> > of combinations involving

> > hardware and software, it is

> > impossible to find out where

> > the needle is in the haystack.

>

> > what seems to be the best

> > course of action is to bring

> > your system back to its' basic

> > and tested functionality.

>

> > my suggestion is to:

>

> > 1) get into you o.s. and begin

> > the process of copying all your

> > personal files off the disk and onto

> > cd's or dvds. Or if you have a

> > another partition or harddrive,

> > transfer your files over to them.

>

> > 2) bring your pc back to its

> > basic hardware configuration by remove

> > all peripherals except kb, video and

> > mouse. If you have a special video

> > adaptor temporarily remove this as

> > well.

>

> > 3) then reinstall windows from

> > scratch and install "nothing" else

> > that is none microsoft onto your

> > pc (including updates) in order to

> > ensure it functions without errors

> > for a couple of days.

>

> > the above could be avoided perhaps

> > with a "repair installation", however

> > your disk system has locked you out

> > because of the administrator password.

>

> > and though there are freewares that

> > will get you the passwords, if any, i

> > think that your system is doomed because

> > of the faulty check disks. so in my

> > opinion, it would be a further waste

> > of time trying to repair what you have.

>

> > another way to see this is that if

> > the method of reinstalling windows

> > was used several days ago, it would

> > have taken only a couple of hours to

> > get you back online. however, as

> > you can see, it has now been many

> > days struggling with this issue.

>

> > there may be a possibility that if

> > simply reinstalling windows over

> > your current one doesn't work then

> > you may need to format the disk.

>

> > the alternative to the above is

> > to buy a second harddrive and

> > simply install a new windows

> > onto it.

>

> > having a secondary windows that

> > is functional will provide you with

> > the opportunity to operate and

> > repair the dysfunctional

> > one or wipe it away.

>

> > --

>

> > db·´¯`·...¸><)))º>

>

 

 

ok, I tweaked the password with the link you provided and tried to

access the Recovery Console again and this time it let me through! I

tuped chkdsk and it came back with the following:

 

Volume created 12/15/01 07:08a

Volume Serial Number is 9C54-d88F

 

The volume appears to be in good condition and was not checked. Use /P

if you want to check it anyway.

 

156159832 kilobytes total space

138734552 kilobytes are available

 

4096 bytes in allocation unit

 

39039958 total allocation units on disk

34683638 allocation units available on disk

 

I tried typing the /P but it came back with command not reconized.

Also I believe that the above information is referring to the original

40GB hard drive not my new 160GB hard drive. Should I of typed chkdsk/

r ?

 

 

Robert

Guest db ´¯`·.. >
Posted

Re: SERIOUS COMPUTER PROBLEM!

 

ok,

 

you did a good job

of regaining control

of your system.

 

in the check disk results

this is what it provided:

 

156159832 kilobytes total space

138734552 kilobytes are available

 

but the numbers can also

read as

 

156,159,832 kilobytes total space

138,734,552 kilobytes are available

 

156,159 megabytes total space

138,734 megabytes are available

 

156 gigabytes total space

138 gigabytes are available

 

if you do a little calculation:

156-138= 18 gigs of used

space.

 

what you should do now is

to make a system restore point

for today.

 

i don't think you need to

run anymore commands

via the recovery console.

 

however, if it is now listed

on your boot menu, leave

it there for future use.

 

the next thing to review is

that when you restore your

system to a prior date, did

something get reinstalled/

restored that is beneficial

or detrimental for your

system.

 

remember that i had mentioned

that what may seem normal

for normal users, computer

geeks can spot issues that

are detrimental to the system.

 

unfortunately, there is

no way of knowing from

our end how well your

system is performing.

 

the rule of thumb is

as long as the user is

happy, then who are

we to argue.

 

what i would suggest is

to refrain from freeware

grazing and if you find

something of interests

ask here firstly and before

installing.

 

next, you might want

to try out a software

called system mechanic

for a couple of days, then

uninstall it if you wish.

 

but a program like the

above will cover a lot

of basis and will also

let you know more

about your system as

well.

 

what you can also run

at this time is this:

 

http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/article/registry_cleaner_why.htm

 

and most importantly,

do not allow updates to

download automatically.

 

updates are provided

once a month by microsoft,

usually around the second

tuesday of each month.

 

manually check for what

updates their servers have

selected for your machine

and prevent any that would

override your drivers, like

video drivers.

 

http://www.update.microsoft.com/windowsupdate/v6/default.aspx?ln=en-us

 

before selecting the updates

and before downloading any

of them remember to make a

system restore point first.

 

as for me, i might download

updates every three months

or so and i have a number

of updates that are flagged

not to install. so not

installing updates is not

the end of the world and

not everyone needs updates

as well.

 

again good job. you are

now becoming a computer

geek!

--

 

db·´¯`·...¸><)))º>

 

"Robert" <magineeer@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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On Mar 17, 4:35 pm, db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. .

<databaseben.public.newsgroup.microsoft.com> wrote:

> no, you don't need

> to buy a new harddrive,

> it was only an alternative.

>

> lets review what has occurred

> with your system:

>

> supposedly, your system

> was running fine, until there

> was an update that caused

> an issue. then a check disk

> was initiated and was unable

> to complete and reran numerously,

> locking you out of the system.

> then it was a failed attempt to

> log into the recovery console, it

> seems that your windows cd may

> have made a marginal correction

> to your faulty system and gave

> you access again.

>

> at this time there is no proof

> that an update caused the problem

> and could be an assumption or

> coincidence. (if it is an update

> then you can uninstall it/them)

>

> next we are not certain that your

> system was perfectly functional

> and may have seem ok, but it

> may have not been operating

> perfectly. for one thing the

> check disk issue and secondly

> you are unable to log into the

> disk system because of ntpassword.

>

> both the failed check disk

> and the inability to log into

> the recovery console is

> indicative of other issues.

>

> the above is only what we

> know of, but there may still

> be more issues involved.

>

> my suggestion was simply

> to reinstall windows from

> scratch as an easy method.

>

> at this time you should

> copy all your personal files

> off the disk. then you will

> have the freedom to work on

> the o.s..

>

> fortunately, you have regain

> access to the o.s. and to the

> registry, but who knows for

> how long. until the o.s. is

> perfect and you can log into

> the recovery console, safemodes

> and run complete checkdisks,

> your are on shaky ground.

> as i mentioned who knows what

> all else is dysfunctional. further

> what you may see as acceptable

> functionality, we would likely

> see your system as needing much

> optimization. but we don't have

> supergeek vision.

>

> here is some info on

> the recovery console. somewhere

> in the middle there is a

> registry tweak regarding the

> administrator password.

>

> http://www.theeldergeek.com/recovery_console.htm

>

> keep in mind here is that

> 1) get your personal files to safety

> 2) log into the recovery console

> and get a clean bill of health from

> the check disk. (do a chkdsk /r).

>

> --

>

> db·´¯`·...¸><)))º>

>

> "Robert" <magine...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

>

> news:fb50edc1-b4d5-408b-a9d3-3cba77301a56@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

> On Mar 17, 7:16 am, db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. .

>

>

>

>

>

> <databaseben.public.newsgroup.microsoft.com> wrote:

> > if you are using windows xp,

> > there is no more dos.

>

> > the prompt you are trying to

> > get to is the windows xp

> > disk system prompt that

> > can be accessed via the

> > recovery console of "any"

> > windows setup cd or

> > via emergency start up

> > boot disks. sometimes

> > i refer to its similarity with

> > the old dos because most

> > people are highly familiar

> > with this methodology.

>

> > ---------------

>

> > it is unfortunate that an

> > otherwise simple task of

> > checking the integrity of

> > your file system directly

> > from the disk has become

> > a burden.

>

> > unfortunately, there could

> > many things that are causing

> > this to be a complex matter

> > and because there are millions

> > of combinations involving

> > hardware and software, it is

> > impossible to find out where

> > the needle is in the haystack.

>

> > what seems to be the best

> > course of action is to bring

> > your system back to its' basic

> > and tested functionality.

>

> > my suggestion is to:

>

> > 1) get into you o.s. and begin

> > the process of copying all your

> > personal files off the disk and onto

> > cd's or dvds. Or if you have a

> > another partition or harddrive,

> > transfer your files over to them.

>

> > 2) bring your pc back to its

> > basic hardware configuration by remove

> > all peripherals except kb, video and

> > mouse. If you have a special video

> > adaptor temporarily remove this as

> > well.

>

> > 3) then reinstall windows from

> > scratch and install "nothing" else

> > that is none microsoft onto your

> > pc (including updates) in order to

> > ensure it functions without errors

> > for a couple of days.

>

> > the above could be avoided perhaps

> > with a "repair installation", however

> > your disk system has locked you out

> > because of the administrator password.

>

> > and though there are freewares that

> > will get you the passwords, if any, i

> > think that your system is doomed because

> > of the faulty check disks. so in my

> > opinion, it would be a further waste

> > of time trying to repair what you have.

>

> > another way to see this is that if

> > the method of reinstalling windows

> > was used several days ago, it would

> > have taken only a couple of hours to

> > get you back online. however, as

> > you can see, it has now been many

> > days struggling with this issue.

>

> > there may be a possibility that if

> > simply reinstalling windows over

> > your current one doesn't work then

> > you may need to format the disk.

>

> > the alternative to the above is

> > to buy a second harddrive and

> > simply install a new windows

> > onto it.

>

> > having a secondary windows that

> > is functional will provide you with

> > the opportunity to operate and

> > repair the dysfunctional

> > one or wipe it away.

>

> > --

>

> > db·´¯`·...¸><)))º>

>

 

 

ok, I tweaked the password with the link you provided and tried to

access the Recovery Console again and this time it let me through! I

tuped chkdsk and it came back with the following:

 

Volume created 12/15/01 07:08a

Volume Serial Number is 9C54-d88F

 

The volume appears to be in good condition and was not checked. Use /P

if you want to check it anyway.

 

156159832 kilobytes total space

138734552 kilobytes are available

 

4096 bytes in allocation unit

 

39039958 total allocation units on disk

34683638 allocation units available on disk

 

I tried typing the /P but it came back with command not reconized.

Also I believe that the above information is referring to the original

40GB hard drive not my new 160GB hard drive. Should I of typed chkdsk/

r ?

 

 

Robert

Guest Robert
Posted

Re: SERIOUS COMPUTER PROBLEM!

 

On Mar 18, 7:46 am, db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. .

<databaseben.public.newsgroup.microsoft.com> wrote:

> ok,

>

> you did a good job

> of regaining control

> of your system.

>

> in the check disk results

> this is what it provided:

>

> 156159832 kilobytes total space

> 138734552 kilobytes are available

>

> but the numbers can also

> read as

>

> 156,159,832 kilobytes total space

> 138,734,552 kilobytes are available

>

> 156,159 megabytes total space

> 138,734 megabytes are available

>

> 156 gigabytes total space

> 138 gigabytes are available

>

> if you do a little calculation:

> 156-138= 18 gigs of used

> space.

>

> what you should do now is

> to make a system restore point

> for today.

>

> i don't think you need to

> run anymore commands

> via the recovery console.

>

> however, if it is now listed

> on your boot menu, leave

> it there for future use.

>

> the next thing to review is

> that when you restore your

> system to a prior date, did

> something get reinstalled/

> restored that is beneficial

> or detrimental for your

> system.

>

> remember that i had mentioned

> that what may seem normal

> for normal users, computer

> geeks can spot issues that

> are detrimental to the system.

>

> unfortunately, there is

> no way of knowing from

> our end how well your

> system is performing.

>

> the rule of thumb is

> as long as the user is

> happy, then who are

> we to argue.

>

> what i would suggest is

> to refrain from freeware

> grazing and if you find

> something of interests

> ask here firstly and before

> installing.

>

> next, you might want

> to try out a software

> called system mechanic

> for a couple of days, then

> uninstall it if you wish.

>

> but a program like the

> above will cover a lot

> of basis and will also

> let you know more

> about your system as

> well.

>

> what you can also run

> at this time is this:

>

> http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/article/registry_cleaner_why.htm

>

> and most importantly,

> do not allow updates to

> download automatically.

>

> updates are provided

> once a month by microsoft,

> usually around the second

> tuesday of each month.

>

> manually check for what

> updates their servers have

> selected for your machine

> and prevent any that would

> override your drivers, like

> video drivers.

>

> http://www.update.microsoft.com/windowsupdate/v6/default.aspx?ln=en-us

>

> before selecting the updates

> and before downloading any

> of them remember to make a

> system restore point first.

>

> as for me, i might download

> updates every three months

> or so and i have a number

> of updates that are flagged

> not to install.    so not

> installing updates is not

> the end of the world and

> not everyone needs updates

> as well.

>

> again good job.  you are

> now becoming a computer

> geek!

> --

>

> db·´¯`·...¸><)))º>

>

> "Robert" <magine...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

>

> news:1a77ddd5-e977-43be-97e7-2eae1ba4d87d@i7g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

> On Mar 17, 4:35 pm,  db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. .

>

>

>

 

Thank you for your nice comments but I couldn't of done it without

your excellent help.

 

I've turned off the automatic updates but how am I to know which

updates are needed and which are not? In addition, when I turned off

the automatic updates it gave me a message saying my computer was at

risk and left a red sheild on the bottom taskbar and when I move the

mouse over it is says Windows Security Alerts. Is this going to remain

there?

 

I'm not that great at math but in any case shouldn't I be seeing

something that relates to my 160gig hard drive versus my previous

40gigs? 18 gigs could reside on either. By the way, sorry about not

including the comma's in the numbers.

 

It's true, when I did a System Restore( to last Saturday after the

system came back up from the chkdsk error) I don't know if it was

benefical or detrimental to my system and as you say it's hard to tell

from your viewpoint and not being a computer expert I don't know what

signs to look for if I did have a problem. The only update that

occurred afterwards was for Comodo.

 

I also went into My Computer>C:>Properties>Tools>Check Local Disk(scan

for and attempt recovery of bad sectors) and did a Defrag afterwards.

 

I'll make another System Restore Point today, run the registry

cleaner and checkout system mechanic.

 

Lastly, I now have Comodo, AVG, Spywareblaster, Hive Cleanup. I

uninstalled Windows Defender and Superantispyware because of the

possible software conflict. I thought all these programs worked

differently; like Spybot and A-Squared are both anti-malware removal

programs but as I understand it they search differently but I removed

them because I thought Superantispyware was a better program.

 

Also, and this has nothing to do with this could you possibly take a

look at my other post Mail Client Problem and give me some

suggestions? It has gotten very involved and I'm totally lost as to

what to do.

 

Again thanks for your great

help,

Robert

Guest Robert
Posted

Re: SERIOUS COMPUTER PROBLEM!

 

On Mar 18, 7:46 am, db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. .

<databaseben.public.newsgroup.microsoft.com> wrote:

> ok,

>

> you did a good job

> of regaining control

> of your system.

>

> in the check disk results

> this is what it provided:

>

> 156159832 kilobytes total space

> 138734552 kilobytes are available

>

> but the numbers can also

> read as

>

> 156,159,832 kilobytes total space

> 138,734,552 kilobytes are available

>

> 156,159 megabytes total space

> 138,734 megabytes are available

>

> 156 gigabytes total space

> 138 gigabytes are available

>

> if you do a little calculation:

> 156-138= 18 gigs of used

> space.

>

> what you should do now is

> to make a system restore point

> for today.

>

> i don't think you need to

> run anymore commands

> via the recovery console.

>

> however, if it is now listed

> on your boot menu, leave

> it there for future use.

>

> the next thing to review is

> that when you restore your

> system to a prior date, did

> something get reinstalled/

> restored that is beneficial

> or detrimental for your

> system.

>

> remember that i had mentioned

> that what may seem normal

> for normal users, computer

> geeks can spot issues that

> are detrimental to the system.

>

> unfortunately, there is

> no way of knowing from

> our end how well your

> system is performing.

>

> the rule of thumb is

> as long as the user is

> happy, then who are

> we to argue.

>

> what i would suggest is

> to refrain from freeware

> grazing and if you find

> something of interests

> ask here firstly and before

> installing.

>

> next, you might want

> to try out a software

> called system mechanic

> for a couple of days, then

> uninstall it if you wish.

>

> but a program like the

> above will cover a lot

> of basis and will also

> let you know more

> about your system as

> well.

>

> what you can also run

> at this time is this:

>

> http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/article/registry_cleaner_why.htm

>

> and most importantly,

> do not allow updates to

> download automatically.

>

> updates are provided

> once a month by microsoft,

> usually around the second

> tuesday of each month.

>

> manually check for what

> updates their servers have

> selected for your machine

> and prevent any that would

> override your drivers, like

> video drivers.

>

> http://www.update.microsoft.com/windowsupdate/v6/default.aspx?ln=en-us

>

> before selecting the updates

> and before downloading any

> of them remember to make a

> system restore point first.

>

> as for me, i might download

> updates every three months

> or so and i have a number

> of updates that are flagged

> not to install.    so not

> installing updates is not

> the end of the world and

> not everyone needs updates

> as well.

>

> again good job.  you are

> now becoming a computer

> geek!

> --

>

> db·´¯`·...¸><)))º>

>

> "Robert" <magine...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

>

> news:1a77ddd5-e977-43be-97e7-2eae1ba4d87d@i7g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

> On Mar 17, 4:35 pm,  db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. .

>

>

>

>

>

> <databaseben.public.newsgroup.microsoft.com> wrote:

> > no, you don't need

> > to buy a new harddrive,

> > it was only an alternative.

>

> > lets review what has occurred

> > with your system:

>

> > supposedly, your system

> > was running fine, until there

> > was an update that caused

> > an issue. then a check disk

> > was initiated and was unable

> > to complete and reran numerously,

> > locking you out of the system.

> > then it was a failed attempt to

> > log into the recovery console, it

> > seems that your windows cd may

> > have made a marginal correction

> > to your faulty system and gave

> > you access again.

>

> > at this time there is no proof

> > that an update caused the problem

> > and could be an assumption or

> > coincidence. (if it is an update

> > then you can uninstall it/them)

>

> > next we are not certain that your

> > system was perfectly functional

> > and may have seem ok, but it

> > may have not been operating

> > perfectly. for one thing the

> > check disk issue and secondly

> > you are unable to log into the

> > disk system because of ntpassword.

>

> > both the failed check disk

> > and the inability to log into

> > the recovery console is

> > indicative of other issues.

>

> > the above is only what we

> > know of, but there may still

> > be more issues involved.

>

> > my suggestion was simply

> > to reinstall windows from

> > scratch as an easy method.

>

> > at this time you should

> > copy all your personal files

> > off the disk. then you will

> > have the freedom to work on

> > the o.s..

>

> > fortunately, you have regain

> > access to the o.s. and to the

> > registry, but who knows for

> > how long. until the o.s. is

> > perfect and you can log into

> > the recovery console, safemodes

> > and run complete checkdisks,

> > your are on shaky ground.

> > as i mentioned who knows what

> > all else is dysfunctional. further

> > what you may see as acceptable

> > functionality, we would likely

> > see your system as needing much

> > optimization. but we don't have

> > supergeek vision.

>

> > here is some info on

> > the recovery console. somewhere

> > in the middle there is a

> > registry tweak regarding the

> > administrator password.

>

> >http://www.theeldergeek.com/recovery_console.htm

>

> > keep in mind here is that

> > 1) get your personal files to safety

> > 2) log into the recovery console

> > and get a clean bill of health from

> > the check disk. (do a chkdsk /r).

>

> > --

>

> > db·´¯`·...¸><)))º>

>

> > "Robert" <magine...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

>

> >news:fb50edc1-b4d5-408b-a9d3-3cba77301a56@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

> > On Mar 17, 7:16 am, db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. .

>

> > <databaseben.public.newsgroup.microsoft.com> wrote:

> > > if you are using windows xp,

> > > there is no more dos.

>

> > > the prompt you are trying to

> > > get to is the windows xp

> > > disk system prompt that

> > > can be accessed via the

> > > recovery console of "any"

> > > windows setup cd or

> > > via emergency start up

> > > boot disks. sometimes

> > > i refer to its similarity with

> > > the old dos because most

> > > people are highly familiar

> > > with this methodology.

>

> > > ---------------

>

> > > it is unfortunate that an

> > > otherwise simple task of

> > > checking the integrity of

> > > your file system directly

> > > from the disk has become

> > > a burden.

>

> > > unfortunately, there could

> > > many things that are causing

> > > this to be a complex matter

> > > and because there are millions

> > > of combinations involving

> > > hardware and software, it is

> > > impossible to find out where

> > > the needle is in the haystack.

>

> > > what seems to be the best

> > > course of action is to bring

> > > your system back to its' basic

> > > and tested functionality.

>

> > > my suggestion is to:

>

> > > 1) get into you o.s. and begin

> > > the process of copying all your

> > > personal files off the disk and onto

> > > cd's or dvds. Or if you have a

> > > another partition or harddrive,

> > > transfer your files over to them.

>

> > > 2) bring your pc back to its

> > > basic hardware configuration by remove

> > > all peripherals except kb, video and

> > > mouse. If you have a special video

> > > adaptor temporarily remove this as

> > > well.

>

> > > 3) then reinstall windows from

> > > scratch and install "nothing" else

> > > that is none microsoft onto your

> > > pc (including updates) in order to

> > > ensure it functions without errors

> > > for a couple of days.

>

> > > the above could be avoided perhaps

> > > with a "repair installation", however

> > > your disk system has locked you out

> > > because of the administrator password.

>

> > > and though there are freewares that

> > > will get you the passwords, if any, i

> > > think that your system is doomed because

> > > of the faulty check disks. so in my

> > > opinion, it would be a further waste

> > > of time trying to repair what you have.

>

> > > another way to see this is that if

> > > the method of reinstalling windows

> > > was used several days ago, it would

> > > have taken only a couple of hours to

> > > get you back online. however, as

> > > you can see, it has now been many

> > > days struggling with this issue.

>

> > > there may be a possibility that if

> > > simply reinstalling windows over

> > > your current one doesn't work then

> > > you may need to format the disk.

>

> > > the alternative to the above is

> > > to buy a second harddrive and

> > > simply install a new windows

> > > onto it.

>

> > > having a secondary windows that

> > > is functional will provide you with

> > > the opportunity to operate and

> > > repair the dysfunctional

> > > one or wipe it away.

>

> > > --

>

> > > db·´¯`·...¸><)))º>

>

> ok, I tweaked the password with the link you provided and tried to

> access the Recovery Console again and this time it let me through!  I

> tuped chkdsk and it came back with the following:

>

> Volume created 12/15/01  07:08a

> Volume Serial Number is 9C54-d88F

>

> The volume appears to be in good condition and was not checked. Use /P

> if you want to check it anyway.

>

> 156159832 kilobytes total space

> 138734552 kilobytes are available

>

> 4096 bytes in allocation unit

>

> 39039958 total allocation units on disk

> 34683638 allocation units available on disk

>

> I tried typing the /P but it came back with command not reconized.

> Also I believe that the above information is referring to the original

> 40GB hard drive not my new 160GB hard drive. Should I of typed chkdsk/

> r ?

>

> Robert- Hide quoted text -

>

> - Show quoted text -

 

 

I tried using the registry cleaner but for some reason it doesn't

work?

 

Robert

Guest Robert
Posted

Re: SERIOUS COMPUTER PROBLEM!

 

db,

You were so right about looks may be decieving! Although for whatever

reason I couldn't do a registry cleanup I did download System Mechanic

and ran a deep analysis scan and this is what it found:

 

1. your computer has 19 repairable security vunerabilites

 

2. errors were detected on one of your hard drives

 

3. your computer has 358 registry problems

 

4. your computer has 1.37 GB of system clutter

 

5. your computer has 5 unnecessary start-up items

 

6. your internet configuration is not optimized for maximum speed

 

7. your memory level is low (33% available)

 

8. the registry has never been backed up (I don't know how to do this)

 

9. the registry has never been compacted(I don't know how to do this)

 

 

I selected repair all and it did everything but the hard drive. So I

re-ran the deep analysis, and it came back with errors detected on

hard drive. For some reason the repair all and the repair selected

items didn't work so I went into the drive medic deep integrity

scan(stages 1-5) which took some time, and it gave me the following:

 

Local Disk C:- deep integrity scan, no problems detected- drive is

healthy

 

then afterwards it came up with 108 registry problems, and I selected

repair all. Now I will make a System Restore point. Is there anything

else I should do?

 

 

 

Robert

Guest db ´¯`·.. >
Posted

Re: SERIOUS COMPUTER PROBLEM!

 

yes, you can

simply enjoy your

computer now.

 

send me an email

and we can look at

the other issues:

databaseben

at

hotmail

dot

com

 

for now, we can close

this thread; as your initial

problem is resolved.

 

--

 

db·´¯`·...¸><)))º>

 

"Robert" <magineeer@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:dc22226f-4ee9-41bb-9e74-26e236d4ce15@q78g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

> db,

> You were so right about looks may be decieving! Although for whatever

> reason I couldn't do a registry cleanup I did download System Mechanic

> and ran a deep analysis scan and this is what it found:

>

> 1. your computer has 19 repairable security vunerabilites

>

> 2. errors were detected on one of your hard drives

>

> 3. your computer has 358 registry problems

>

> 4. your computer has 1.37 GB of system clutter

>

> 5. your computer has 5 unnecessary start-up items

>

> 6. your internet configuration is not optimized for maximum speed

>

> 7. your memory level is low (33% available)

>

> 8. the registry has never been backed up (I don't know how to do this)

>

> 9. the registry has never been compacted(I don't know how to do this)

>

>

> I selected repair all and it did everything but the hard drive. So I

> re-ran the deep analysis, and it came back with errors detected on

> hard drive. For some reason the repair all and the repair selected

> items didn't work so I went into the drive medic deep integrity

> scan(stages 1-5) which took some time, and it gave me the following:

>

> Local Disk C:- deep integrity scan, no problems detected- drive is

> healthy

>

> then afterwards it came up with 108 registry problems, and I selected

> repair all. Now I will make a System Restore point. Is there anything

> else I should do?

>

>

>

> Robert

>

>

>

>

Guest PA Bear [MS MVP]
Posted

Re: SERIOUS COMPUTER PROBLEM!

 

> I selected repair all and it did everything but the hard drive. So I

> re-ran the deep analysis, and it came back with errors detected on

> hard drive.

 

Robert, we ran into this before in this thread:

 

<QP>

0x0000007E: SYSTEM_THREAD_EXCEPTION_NOT_HANDLED

A system thread generated an exception which the error handler did not

catch. There are numerous individual causes for this problem, including

hardware incompatibility, a faulty device driver or system service, or some

software issues. Check Event Viewer (EventVwr.msc) for additional

information.

Source: http://aumha.org/a/stop.htm

 

How to troubleshoot a Stop 0x0000007E error in Windows XP:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/330182

</QP>

Source:

http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/msg/fb313bc1f4665291

 

I firmly believe that the STOP 0x0000007E error and all of your problems are

being caused by "hardware incompatibility, a faulty device driver or system

service, or some software issues" which could include a hijackware problem.

I know money's tight on your end (where isn't it?) but I don't think you're

going to resolve these problems without taking the machine to a reputable

and independent local shop.

--

~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002

AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net

DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

 

 

Robert wrote:

> db,

> You were so right about looks may be decieving! Although for whatever

> reason I couldn't do a registry cleanup I did download System Mechanic

> and ran a deep analysis scan and this is what it found:

>

> 1. your computer has 19 repairable security vunerabilites

>

> 2. errors were detected on one of your hard drives

>

> 3. your computer has 358 registry problems

>

> 4. your computer has 1.37 GB of system clutter

>

> 5. your computer has 5 unnecessary start-up items

>

> 6. your internet configuration is not optimized for maximum speed

>

> 7. your memory level is low (33% available)

>

> 8. the registry has never been backed up (I don't know how to do this)

>

> 9. the registry has never been compacted(I don't know how to do this)

>

>

> I selected repair all and it did everything but the hard drive. So I

> re-ran the deep analysis, and it came back with errors detected on

> hard drive. For some reason the repair all and the repair selected

> items didn't work so I went into the drive medic deep integrity

> scan(stages 1-5) which took some time, and it gave me the following:

>

> Local Disk C:- deep integrity scan, no problems detected- drive is

> healthy

>

> then afterwards it came up with 108 registry problems, and I selected

> repair all. Now I will make a System Restore point. Is there anything

> else I should do?

>

>

>

> Robert

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