Hdd Partition

[Guest Dodger]

Is it possible to make a copy of the partiton section on my hdd that holds

the os and programs installed by the manufacturer of my laptop (iqon), the

reason I am asking is because the company has gone into liquidation, so if I

get any future problems with my hdd I'll lose my os, as the laptop came

preloaded with all programs, I know there is a system recovery option by

pressing f11, but I've had a new hdd under warranty a couple of months ago

but if it ever had the same problem was hoping to just replace a hdd and not

the os as well, thanks in advance for any help........

[Guest DL]

Re: Hdd Partition

 

Use imaging software, eg Acronis True Image

 

"Dodger" <Dodger@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

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> Is it possible to make a copy of the partiton section on my hdd that

> holds

> the os and programs installed by the manufacturer of my laptop (iqon), the

> reason I am asking is because the company has gone into liquidation, so if

> I

> get any future problems with my hdd I'll lose my os, as the laptop came

> preloaded with all programs, I know there is a system recovery option by

> pressing f11, but I've had a new hdd under warranty a couple of months ago

> but if it ever had the same problem was hoping to just replace a hdd and

> not

> the os as well, thanks in advance for any help........

[Guest Colin Barnhorst]

Re: Hdd Partition

 

I also recommend Acronis True Image.

 

"Dodger" <Dodger@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:65E4905E-3F4F-4CAD-BE8A-EF0921335138@microsoft.com...

> Is it possible to make a copy of the partiton section on my hdd that

> holds

> the os and programs installed by the manufacturer of my laptop (iqon), the

> reason I am asking is because the company has gone into liquidation, so if

> I

> get any future problems with my hdd I'll lose my os, as the laptop came

> preloaded with all programs, I know there is a system recovery option by

> pressing f11, but I've had a new hdd under warranty a couple of months ago

> but if it ever had the same problem was hoping to just replace a hdd and

> not

> the os as well, thanks in advance for any help........

[Guest PD43]

Re: Hdd Partition

 

"Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote:

>I also recommend Acronis True Image.

 

Acronis TI has climbed to #1 here in a relatively short time. I've

been using it for about 3 years now and when I first started touting

it here, folks hardly knew about it.

 

It really IS a very good product.

[Guest philo]

Re: Hdd Partition

 

 

"Dodger" <Dodger@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:65E4905E-3F4F-4CAD-BE8A-EF0921335138@microsoft.com...

> Is it possible to make a copy of the partiton section on my hdd that

holds

> the os and programs installed by the manufacturer of my laptop (iqon), the

> reason I am asking is because the company has gone into liquidation, so if

I

> get any future problems with my hdd I'll lose my os, as the laptop came

> preloaded with all programs, I know there is a system recovery option by

> pressing f11, but I've had a new hdd under warranty a couple of months ago

> but if it ever had the same problem was hoping to just replace a hdd and

not

> the os as well, thanks in advance for any help........

 

 

You can use Acronis True Image

and clone your system to another harddrive...

 

then after testing the clone by installing that drive in place of your

present drive...

you can put the cloned drive aside in case of an emergency

[Guest HEMI-Powered]

Re: Hdd Partition

 

=?Utf-8?B?RG9kZ2Vy?= added these comments in the current discussion

du jour ...

> Is it possible to make a copy of the partiton section on my hdd

> that holds the os and programs installed by the manufacturer of my

> laptop (iqon), the reason I am asking is because the company has

> gone into liquidation, so if I get any future problems with my hdd

> I'll lose my os, as the laptop came preloaded with all programs, I

> know there is a system recovery option by pressing f11, but I've

> had a new hdd under warranty a couple of months ago but if it ever

> had the same problem was hoping to just replace a hdd and not the

> os as well, thanks in advance for any help........

>

use an imaging program such as Acronis True Image, Casper, or Norton

Ghost

 

 

--

HP, aka Jerry

 

"And, that's all I'm going to say about that" - Forrest Gump

[Guest HEMI-Powered]

Re: Hdd Partition

 

philo added these comments in the current discussion du jour ...

>> Is it possible to make a copy of the partiton section on my hdd

>> that holds the os and programs installed by the manufacturer of

>> my laptop (iqon), the reason I am asking is because the company

>> has gone into liquidation, so if I get any future problems with

>> my hdd I'll lose my os, as the laptop came preloaded with all

>> programs, I know there is a system recovery option by pressing

>> f11, but I've had a new hdd under warranty a couple of months ago

>> but if it ever had the same problem was hoping to just replace a

>> hdd and not the os as well, thanks in advance for any

>> help........

>

> You can use Acronis True Image

> and clone your system to another harddrive...

>

> then after testing the clone by installing that drive in place of

> your present drive...

> you can put the cloned drive aside in case of an emergency

>

That's what I said, then I thought about the problems that are likely

to arise, e.g., different video, different BIOS, etc. But, I think

those could be overcome. What will be really HARD to overcome is that

it is now technically an illegal/bootleg version of Windows and would

eventually refuse to update itself unless the Iqon company provided a

restore CD.

 

--

HP, aka Jerry

 

"And, that's all I'm going to say about that" - Forrest Gump

[Guest Colin Barnhorst]

Re: Hdd Partition

 

The trick with any backup program is to take care of the computer so as not

to need it. But stuff happens.

 

Getting a lot of users to just use something is a challenge. It might as

well be a straightforward imaging program like ATIH. Give them choices and

they don't make any.

 

Even when warned with red-letter, 14pt text by MS these dummies were

installing Vista beta 2 right on top of XP with no backups whatsoever. Then

they would get in the new Vista newsgroups and cry the blues for someone to

tell them how to get their XP and their files back. Naturally we all knew

they hadn't heeded any warnings and hadn't ever backed up a computer in

their lives, but we played the game telling them to just restore from their

Acronis or Ghost image backup. No prob, right Bub?

 

Half the time they never even posted again. Those were the days.... :/

 

"PD43" <pauld1943@comcast.net> wrote in message

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> "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote:

>

>>I also recommend Acronis True Image.

>

> Acronis TI has climbed to #1 here in a relatively short time. I've

> been using it for about 3 years now and when I first started touting

> it here, folks hardly knew about it.

>

> It really IS a very good product.

[Guest Colin Barnhorst]

Re: Hdd Partition

 

It is neither illegal nor bootleg. You are merely out of compliance with

the EULA. It will not morph into pirated software by itself. However, you

should cure the licensing by obtaining a Windows license for it yourself.

 

"HEMI-Powered" <none@none.en> wrote in message

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> philo added these comments in the current discussion du jour ...

>

>>> Is it possible to make a copy of the partiton section on my hdd

>>> that holds the os and programs installed by the manufacturer of

>>> my laptop (iqon), the reason I am asking is because the company

>>> has gone into liquidation, so if I get any future problems with

>>> my hdd I'll lose my os, as the laptop came preloaded with all

>>> programs, I know there is a system recovery option by pressing

>>> f11, but I've had a new hdd under warranty a couple of months ago

>>> but if it ever had the same problem was hoping to just replace a

>>> hdd and not the os as well, thanks in advance for any

>>> help........

>>

>> You can use Acronis True Image

>> and clone your system to another harddrive...

>>

>> then after testing the clone by installing that drive in place of

>> your present drive...

>> you can put the cloned drive aside in case of an emergency

>>

> That's what I said, then I thought about the problems that are likely

> to arise, e.g., different video, different BIOS, etc. But, I think

> those could be overcome. What will be really HARD to overcome is that

> it is now technically an illegal/bootleg version of Windows and would

> eventually refuse to update itself unless the Iqon company provided a

> restore CD.

>

> --

> HP, aka Jerry

>

> "And, that's all I'm going to say about that" - Forrest Gump

>

>

[Guest db ´¯`·.. >]

Re: Hdd Partition

 

based on my understanding

each time windows starts it

"always" check for hardware.

 

if more than six of the ten

component identification

checks are different, then

the o.s. will require/demand

re-activation.

 

so if a laptop was cloned

onto a hd and that hd was

then installed on a pc, that

o.s. would try to reactive

and fail and vice versa.

 

further, if a single computer

had more than six of its

components replaced, the

o.s. on it would then want

to re-activate due to the

new hardware changes.

 

--

 

db·´¯`·...¸><)))º>

 

"HEMI-Powered" <none@none.en> wrote in message

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> philo added these comments in the current discussion du jour ...

>

>>> Is it possible to make a copy of the partiton section on my hdd

>>> that holds the os and programs installed by the manufacturer of

>>> my laptop (iqon), the reason I am asking is because the company

>>> has gone into liquidation, so if I get any future problems with

>>> my hdd I'll lose my os, as the laptop came preloaded with all

>>> programs, I know there is a system recovery option by pressing

>>> f11, but I've had a new hdd under warranty a couple of months ago

>>> but if it ever had the same problem was hoping to just replace a

>>> hdd and not the os as well, thanks in advance for any

>>> help........

>>

>> You can use Acronis True Image

>> and clone your system to another harddrive...

>>

>> then after testing the clone by installing that drive in place of

>> your present drive...

>> you can put the cloned drive aside in case of an emergency

>>

> That's what I said, then I thought about the problems that are likely

> to arise, e.g., different video, different BIOS, etc. But, I think

> those could be overcome. What will be really HARD to overcome is that

> it is now technically an illegal/bootleg version of Windows and would

> eventually refuse to update itself unless the Iqon company provided a

> restore CD.

>

> --

> HP, aka Jerry

>

> "And, that's all I'm going to say about that" - Forrest Gump

>

>

[Guest Dodger]

RE: Hdd Partition

 

Hi all thanks for the quick replies looks like I should buy acronis then, I

got the feeling that some people thought my intentions were illegal, my point

I was trying to make is that the manufacturer of my laptop has gone into

liquidation so I no longer get tech support on it, I do regular backups of

data but if I have a hdd failure again the backups don't include the

operating system, I do have the product key on a sticker on the laptop for a

copy of xp, so surely I can make a copy legally, I can no longer get a

restore cd from the manufacturer nor did they supply one. My understanding is

manufacturers don't supply restore cds or the os on disk any longer to keep

costs down to the end user , then they could charge high prices for out of

warranty service, because they had all the software and drivers to get you up

and running again unfortunately if the company goes bust you end up in my

situation, just thought I'd cover myself for any future problems......thx

again

 

"Dodger" wrote:

> Is it possible to make a copy of the partiton section on my hdd that holds

> the os and programs installed by the manufacturer of my laptop (iqon), the

> reason I am asking is because the company has gone into liquidation, so if I

> get any future problems with my hdd I'll lose my os, as the laptop came

> preloaded with all programs, I know there is a system recovery option by

> pressing f11, but I've had a new hdd under warranty a couple of months ago

> but if it ever had the same problem was hoping to just replace a hdd and not

> the os as well, thanks in advance for any help........

[Guest DL]

Re: Hdd Partition

 

Manufactureres are obliged under the MS licence to provide a means of

restoring your PC, this may be via a hidden recovery partition or recovery

cd, some recovery partitions have the option to create recovery cd/dvd's

 

"Dodger" <Dodger@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:586396AA-AB25-46FB-B9D4-245D64331F9F@microsoft.com...

> Hi all thanks for the quick replies looks like I should buy acronis then,

> I

> got the feeling that some people thought my intentions were illegal, my

> point

> I was trying to make is that the manufacturer of my laptop has gone into

> liquidation so I no longer get tech support on it, I do regular backups of

> data but if I have a hdd failure again the backups don't include the

> operating system, I do have the product key on a sticker on the laptop for

> a

> copy of xp, so surely I can make a copy legally, I can no longer get a

> restore cd from the manufacturer nor did they supply one. My understanding

> is

> manufacturers don't supply restore cds or the os on disk any longer to

> keep

> costs down to the end user , then they could charge high prices for out of

> warranty service, because they had all the software and drivers to get you

> up

> and running again unfortunately if the company goes bust you end up in my

> situation, just thought I'd cover myself for any future problems......thx

> again

>

> "Dodger" wrote:

>

>> Is it possible to make a copy of the partiton section on my hdd that

>> holds

>> the os and programs installed by the manufacturer of my laptop (iqon),

>> the

>> reason I am asking is because the company has gone into liquidation, so

>> if I

>> get any future problems with my hdd I'll lose my os, as the laptop came

>> preloaded with all programs, I know there is a system recovery option by

>> pressing f11, but I've had a new hdd under warranty a couple of months

>> ago

>> but if it ever had the same problem was hoping to just replace a hdd and

>> not

>> the os as well, thanks in advance for any help........

[Guest db ´¯`·.. >]

Re: Hdd Partition

 

you can still try the

methods provided

because microsoft

implemented a security

feature into the software.

 

so if you happened to

make a clone and it

worked ok on another

pc, then it was because

the o.s. allowed it.

 

if you happened to make

a clone and the o.s. found

that the hardware change

was major and no longer

within the spec's then

it would simply try to

re-activate.

 

and if it did reactive then all

is o.k.

 

however, if it would not activate,

then the copy would simply

become unusable, except for

the system where is came from

or another system that has

similar hardware.

 

incidentally, there is an alternative

to acronis called "driveimage xml"

and its' free.

 

perhaps, instead of

cloning the o.s., you

should clone those

personal files instead

or maybe export them.

 

also, if the company is being

liquidated, then you might

want to buy or acquire that

proprietary software you are

fond of so that you can install

it on your own pc.

 

otherwise the issue at hand

with cloning, pirating, etc

involves only windows and

you may not need a clone of

windows.

 

 

--

 

db·´¯`·...¸><)))º>

 

"Dodger" <Dodger@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:586396AA-AB25-46FB-B9D4-245D64331F9F@microsoft.com...

> Hi all thanks for the quick replies looks like I should buy acronis then, I

> got the feeling that some people thought my intentions were illegal, my point

> I was trying to make is that the manufacturer of my laptop has gone into

> liquidation so I no longer get tech support on it, I do regular backups of

> data but if I have a hdd failure again the backups don't include the

> operating system, I do have the product key on a sticker on the laptop for a

> copy of xp, so surely I can make a copy legally, I can no longer get a

> restore cd from the manufacturer nor did they supply one. My understanding is

> manufacturers don't supply restore cds or the os on disk any longer to keep

> costs down to the end user , then they could charge high prices for out of

> warranty service, because they had all the software and drivers to get you up

> and running again unfortunately if the company goes bust you end up in my

> situation, just thought I'd cover myself for any future problems......thx

> again

>

> "Dodger" wrote:

>

>> Is it possible to make a copy of the partiton section on my hdd that holds

>> the os and programs installed by the manufacturer of my laptop (iqon), the

>> reason I am asking is because the company has gone into liquidation, so if I

>> get any future problems with my hdd I'll lose my os, as the laptop came

>> preloaded with all programs, I know there is a system recovery option by

>> pressing f11, but I've had a new hdd under warranty a couple of months ago

>> but if it ever had the same problem was hoping to just replace a hdd and not

>> the os as well, thanks in advance for any help........

[Guest HEMI-Powered]

Re: Hdd Partition

 

Colin Barnhorst added these comments in the current discussion du

jour ...

> It is neither illegal nor bootleg. You are merely out of

> compliance with the EULA. It will not morph into pirated software

> by itself. However, you should cure the licensing by obtaining a

> Windows license for it yourself.

 

I'm not a defender of MS in any way, but by definition, if one is

running a SW O/W or app that bypassed the EULA it is illegal. And,

Windows activation scheme would catch the new computer anyway. The

way around this, it seems to me, is to reactivate it by calling MS

and giving them the necessary info off the original CD, but since

that is an OEM version of Windows, it may be problematical. I don't

care personally, but the OP might ...

> "HEMI-Powered" <none@none.en> wrote in message

> news:Xns9A63AC6A5C5AAReplyScoreID@140.99.99.130...

>> philo added these comments in the current discussion du jour ...

>>

>>>> Is it possible to make a copy of the partiton section on my

>>>> hdd that holds the os and programs installed by the

>>>> manufacturer of my laptop (iqon), the reason I am asking is

>>>> because the company has gone into liquidation, so if I get any

>>>> future problems with my hdd I'll lose my os, as the laptop came

>>>> preloaded with all programs, I know there is a system recovery

>>>> option by pressing f11, but I've had a new hdd under warranty a

>>>> couple of months ago but if it ever had the same problem was

>>>> hoping to just replace a hdd and not the os as well, thanks in

>>>> advance for any help........

>>>

>>> You can use Acronis True Image

>>> and clone your system to another harddrive...

>>>

>>> then after testing the clone by installing that drive in place

>>> of your present drive...

>>> you can put the cloned drive aside in case of an emergency

>>>

>> That's what I said, then I thought about the problems that are

>> likely to arise, e.g., different video, different BIOS, etc. But,

>> I think those could be overcome. What will be really HARD to

>> overcome is that it is now technically an illegal/bootleg version

>> of Windows and would eventually refuse to update itself unless

>> the Iqon company provided a restore CD.

>>

>> --

>> HP, aka Jerry

>>

>> "And, that's all I'm going to say about that" - Forrest Gump

>>

>>

>

>

 

 

 

--

HP, aka Jerry

 

"And, that's all I'm going to say about that" - Forrest Gump

[Guest Colin Barnhorst]

Re: Hdd Partition

 

The term Microsoft uses is "out of compliance" (with the End User License

Agreement). He has to read the EULA to see what the type of license is and

whether the software is transferrable with the computer. It probably is.

 

"HEMI-Powered" <none@none.en> wrote in message

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> Colin Barnhorst added these comments in the current discussion du

> jour ...

>

>> It is neither illegal nor bootleg. You are merely out of

>> compliance with the EULA. It will not morph into pirated software

>> by itself. However, you should cure the licensing by obtaining a

>> Windows license for it yourself.

>

> I'm not a defender of MS in any way, but by definition, if one is

> running a SW O/W or app that bypassed the EULA it is illegal. And,

> Windows activation scheme would catch the new computer anyway. The

> way around this, it seems to me, is to reactivate it by calling MS

> and giving them the necessary info off the original CD, but since

> that is an OEM version of Windows, it may be problematical. I don't

> care personally, but the OP might ...

>

>> "HEMI-Powered" <none@none.en> wrote in message

>> news:Xns9A63AC6A5C5AAReplyScoreID@140.99.99.130...

>>> philo added these comments in the current discussion du jour ...

>>>

>>>>> Is it possible to make a copy of the partiton section on my

>>>>> hdd that holds the os and programs installed by the

>>>>> manufacturer of my laptop (iqon), the reason I am asking is

>>>>> because the company has gone into liquidation, so if I get any

>>>>> future problems with my hdd I'll lose my os, as the laptop came

>>>>> preloaded with all programs, I know there is a system recovery

>>>>> option by pressing f11, but I've had a new hdd under warranty a

>>>>> couple of months ago but if it ever had the same problem was

>>>>> hoping to just replace a hdd and not the os as well, thanks in

>>>>> advance for any help........

>>>>

>>>> You can use Acronis True Image

>>>> and clone your system to another harddrive...

>>>>

>>>> then after testing the clone by installing that drive in place

>>>> of your present drive...

>>>> you can put the cloned drive aside in case of an emergency

>>>>

>>> That's what I said, then I thought about the problems that are

>>> likely to arise, e.g., different video, different BIOS, etc. But,

>>> I think those could be overcome. What will be really HARD to

>>> overcome is that it is now technically an illegal/bootleg version

>>> of Windows and would eventually refuse to update itself unless

>>> the Iqon company provided a restore CD.

>>>

>>> --

>>> HP, aka Jerry

>>>

>>> "And, that's all I'm going to say about that" - Forrest Gump

>>>

>>>

>>

>>

>

>

>

> --

> HP, aka Jerry

>

> "And, that's all I'm going to say about that" - Forrest Gump

>

>

[Guest windmap]

Re: Hdd Partition

 

try this http://www.runtime.org/dixml.htm

Free HDD Imaging Program.

 

"Dodger" <Dodger@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:65E4905E-3F4F-4CAD-BE8A-EF0921335138@microsoft.com...

> Is it possible to make a copy of the partiton section on my hdd that

> holds

> the os and programs installed by the manufacturer of my laptop (iqon), the

> reason I am asking is because the company has gone into liquidation, so if

> I

> get any future problems with my hdd I'll lose my os, as the laptop came

> preloaded with all programs, I know there is a system recovery option by

> pressing f11, but I've had a new hdd under warranty a couple of months ago

> but if it ever had the same problem was hoping to just replace a hdd and

> not

> the os as well, thanks in advance for any help........

[Guest Dave Cohen]

Re: Hdd Partition

 

Dodger wrote:

> Is it possible to make a copy of the partiton section on my hdd that holds

> the os and programs installed by the manufacturer of my laptop (iqon), the

> reason I am asking is because the company has gone into liquidation, so if I

> get any future problems with my hdd I'll lose my os, as the laptop came

> preloaded with all programs, I know there is a system recovery option by

> pressing f11, but I've had a new hdd under warranty a couple of months ago

> but if it ever had the same problem was hoping to just replace a hdd and not

> the os as well, thanks in advance for any help........

 

Quite a few people have recommended using an imaging program. I think

readers (and yourself) should note that once one has been running a

system for any length of time, the recovery cd's supplied by the name

brand suppliers are pretty useless. Does one really want a machine

restored to what it was when purchased, minus everything you have

installed since then plus the gratuitous junk you laboriously removed. I

don't think so. You need a backup strategy for any number of reasons for

both system/installed programs/settings and data. For the first item

imaging is by far the best. Acronis, Ghost, etc or my preference which

is products from http://www.terabyteunlimited.com which have an excellent

support forum. Personally I separate my os and data using partitioning.

As far as I know, imaging programs don't touch the mbr. This doesn't

seem to be a problem, but terabyte have a number of free utility

programs and one called mbrwork.exe will permit backup/restore of the

mbr plus other options. Use this with care. It's a good idea to keep a

backup of the mbr (it actually backs up the whole 32k first track). Can

use a floppy or flash drive to save this.

Dave Cohen