What about Image backups of active file systems (TI on XP)

[Guest Al Dykes]

I'm using TI on an XPSP2 system. Generally I run the TI under XP and

make full images for recovery from disk failures

 

How careful do I have to be about file system activity? I run TI

overnight dowing disk-to-disk backup to a USB1 ext disk.

 

I can imagine that my Anti-virus vendor could ship me an update while

TI is running. It would install and make many MB of file system

changes in the process.

 

It the Right Thing to boot XP as a single user or boot off teh TI CD

for a full image backup?

 

(I've done countless "single user" disk backup on Unix systems and

made countless file system backups of running systems with NTBackup

and done my share of bare-iron recoveries in both environments.)

 

Thanks,

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Al Dykes

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[Guest PD43]

Re: What about Image backups of active file systems (TI on XP)

 

adykes@panix.com (Al Dykes) wrote:

>It the Right Thing to boot XP as a single user or boot off teh TI CD

>for a full image backup?

 

Take your choice. I've done it both ways, and usually do an image the

same time that I clone (using the CD) my system drive. When not

cloning, I image from within Windows.

 

When imaging from within Windows, TI "locks" the view of the system

when it makes an image.

[Guest Big Al]

Re: What about Image backups of active file systems (TI on XP)

 

Al Dykes wrote:

> I'm using TI on an XPSP2 system. Generally I run the TI under XP and

> make full images for recovery from disk failures

>

> How careful do I have to be about file system activity? I run TI

> overnight dowing disk-to-disk backup to a USB1 ext disk.

>

> I can imagine that my Anti-virus vendor could ship me an update while

> TI is running. It would install and make many MB of file system

> changes in the process.

>

> It the Right Thing to boot XP as a single user or boot off teh TI CD

> for a full image backup?

>

> (I've done countless "single user" disk backup on Unix systems and

> made countless file system backups of running systems with NTBackup

> and done my share of bare-iron recoveries in both environments.)

>

> Thanks,

>

>

>

>

>

>

Years ago, you used to make a boot floppy, reboot off the floppy and

then run the software and backup your C: drive. Gads!, it all fit on

1.4 meg. An Ideal situation of course.

If I'm right, Trueimage allows you to make a boot disk, it might allow

you to image from it, but my thoughts were that it was a recovery disk.

I use it for that one day. Never saw a clone / backup option, but

then again I was not looking.

[Guest AJR]

Re: What about Image backups of active file systems (TI on XP)

 

Not familiar with your backup utility, however Vista's "Complete PC Backup"

uses "Volume Shadow Copy" (also referred to a Previous Version) to take a

snaphot of a file in use and includes the snapshot in the image - the image

will include the "open" file and any changes made up to the time of the

snapshot.

 

I beleive Acronis True Image image backup provides the same function.

 

"Al Dykes" <adykes@panix.com> wrote in message

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>

>

> I'm using TI on an XPSP2 system. Generally I run the TI under XP and

> make full images for recovery from disk failures

>

> How careful do I have to be about file system activity? I run TI

> overnight dowing disk-to-disk backup to a USB1 ext disk.

>

> I can imagine that my Anti-virus vendor could ship me an update while

> TI is running. It would install and make many MB of file system

> changes in the process.

>

> It the Right Thing to boot XP as a single user or boot off teh TI CD

> for a full image backup?

>

> (I've done countless "single user" disk backup on Unix systems and

> made countless file system backups of running systems with NTBackup

> and done my share of bare-iron recoveries in both environments.)

>

> Thanks,

>

>

>

>

>

>

> --

> Al Dykes

> News is something someone wants to suppress, everything else is

> advertising.

> - Lord Northcliffe, publisher of the Daily Mail

>

>

>

> --

> Al Dykes

> News is something someone wants to suppress, everything else is

> advertising.

> - Lord Northcliffe, publisher of the Daily Mail

>

[Guest PD43]

Re: What about Image backups of active file systems (TI on XP)

 

Big Al <BigAl@nowhere.com> wrote:

>If I'm right, Trueimage allows you to make a boot disk, it might allow

>you to image from it, but my thoughts were that it was a recovery disk.

 

It makes a bootable CD for you that gives you full capability to do

anything you want once you boot to it.

[Guest Bill in Co.]

Re: What about Image backups of active file systems (TI on XP)

 

Big Al wrote:

> Al Dykes wrote:

>> I'm using TI on an XPSP2 system. Generally I run the TI under XP and

>> make full images for recovery from disk failures

>>

>> How careful do I have to be about file system activity? I run TI

>> overnight dowing disk-to-disk backup to a USB1 ext disk.

>>

>> I can imagine that my Anti-virus vendor could ship me an update while

>> TI is running. It would install and make many MB of file system

>> changes in the process.

>>

>> It the Right Thing to boot XP as a single user or boot off teh TI CD

>> for a full image backup?

>>

>> (I've done countless "single user" disk backup on Unix systems and

>> made countless file system backups of running systems with NTBackup

>> and done my share of bare-iron recoveries in both environments.)

>>

>> Thanks,

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

> Years ago, you used to make a boot floppy, reboot off the floppy and

> then run the software and backup your C: drive. Gads!, it all fit on

> 1.4 meg. An Ideal situation of course.

> If I'm right, Trueimage allows you to make a boot disk, it might allow

> you to image from it, but my thoughts were that it was a recovery disk.

> I use it for that one day. Never saw a clone / backup option, but

> then again I was not looking.

 

Or if you just buy it boxed, it already comes on a bootable CD.

[Guest Allan]

Re: What about Image backups of active file systems (TI on XP)

 

 

"Al Dykes" <adykes@panix.com> wrote in message

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>

>

> I'm using TI on an XPSP2 system. Generally I run the TI under XP and

> make full images for recovery from disk failures

>

> How careful do I have to be about file system activity? I run TI

> overnight dowing disk-to-disk backup to a USB1 ext disk.

>

> I can imagine that my Anti-virus vendor could ship me an update while

> TI is running. It would install and make many MB of file system

> changes in the process.

I think you have a point here so when running backups block all traffic

using your firewall or disable AV auto-updating temporarily. I have AVG Free

edition which only updates manually anyway.

>

> It the Right Thing to boot XP as a single user or boot off teh TI CD

> for a full image backup?

>

> (I've done countless "single user" disk backup on Unix systems and

> made countless file system backups of running systems with NTBackup

> and done my share of bare-iron recoveries in both environments.)

>

Other than that as others have reassured you the image backup should work

transparently to you and you should not have to worry about minor file

system internal changes. As far as I know backup up from within XP should be

fine as a routine practice.

 

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Allan

[Guest PD43]

Re: What about Image backups of active file systems (TI on XP)

 

"Allan" <mu8ja0i@earthlink.net> wrote:

>I think you have a point here so when running backups block all traffic

>using your firewall or disable AV auto-updating temporarily. I have AVG Free

>edition which only updates manually anyway.

 

AVG A/V? Mine updates automatically every day.

[Guest Colin Barnhorst]

Re: What about Image backups of active file systems (TI on XP)

 

I have several systems running AVG and they all update automatically.

 

"PD43" <pauld1943@comcast.net> wrote in message

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> "Allan" <mu8ja0i@earthlink.net> wrote:

>

>>I think you have a point here so when running backups block all traffic

>>using your firewall or disable AV auto-updating temporarily. I have AVG

>>Free

>>edition which only updates manually anyway.

>

> AVG A/V? Mine updates automatically every day.

[Guest Allan]

Re: What about Image backups of active file systems (TI on XP)

 

 

"PD43" <pauld1943@comcast.net> wrote in message

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> "Allan" <mu8ja0i@earthlink.net> wrote:

>

>>I think you have a point here so when running backups block all traffic

>>using your firewall or disable AV auto-updating temporarily. I have AVG

>>Free

>>edition which only updates manually anyway.

>

> AVG A/V? Mine updates automatically every day.

Sorry, you are correct, it updates automatically once daily but I often

update manually more than once a day since they make a few updates available

during every day.

 

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Allan

[Guest Richard in AZ]

Re: What about Image backups of active file systems (TI on XP)

 

 

"Allan" <mu8ja0i@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:O6apzvNjIHA.3940@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

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> "PD43" <pauld1943@comcast.net> wrote in message news:6lnbu31ihikhsuckvh6gke3c58ij2qosa2@4ax.com...

>> "Allan" <mu8ja0i@earthlink.net> wrote:

>>

>>>I think you have a point here so when running backups block all traffic

>>>using your firewall or disable AV auto-updating temporarily. I have AVG Free

>>>edition which only updates manually anyway.

>>

>> AVG A/V? Mine updates automatically every day.

> Sorry, you are correct, it updates automatically once daily but I often update manually more than

> once a day since they make a few updates available during every day.

>

> --

> Allan

The new AVG 8 auto downloads updates every 4 hours (Free version to be available later this year).

However, I uninstalled my AVG 8 and reinstalled AVG 7.5Pro because version 8 has now antispyware,

antiphishing and antipharming tools that significantly slow down the Internet access. If you

disable any of these, your system tray icon nags you constantly.

[Guest Allan]

Re: What about Image backups of active file systems (TI on XP)

 

 

"Richard in AZ" <me@mailinator.com> wrote in message

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> The new AVG 8 auto downloads updates every 4 hours (Free version to be

> available later this year).

> However, I uninstalled my AVG 8 and reinstalled AVG 7.5Pro because version

> 8 has now antispyware, antiphishing and antipharming tools that

> significantly slow down the Internet access. If you disable any of these,

> your system tray icon nags you constantly.

There was a free Kasperky/AOL AV which updated every single hour

automatically but that offer has been withdrawn by AOL. Can't you simply

hide the icon if you don't want to see it at all? Why don't you just switch

to the Free Edition once your subscription expires? What will they do with

the standalone Anti-spyware program which I also have installed along with

Anti-rootkit (both free versions)? I think I can live with the every four

hour auto update period when it becomes available in the Free Edition.

 

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Allan