Windows Server 2003 configuration question

[Guest Anne]

The hard drive crashed on the server of one of my clients and upon

reinstallation, the IT person did not re-create the domain because it was too

much work and he wants to wait until Small Business Server 2008 is out to

reconfigure the server.

Now the server is in a different workgroup than the workstations and it is

creating big problems with permission and access, but I am running into a

wall trying to get him to change it. His reasoning for making the change from

a domain to a workgroup was that if he configured the server as domain again,

he would have to redo all the workstations.

Am I wrong in assuming that if he had configured the new hard drive with the

same domain and users as before, the workstation should have just found the

server again, just as they did before?

I searched the net and found nothing about a possible release date for SBS

2008. Does anyone believe this is going to happen soon?

[Guest lforbes]

RE: Windows Server 2003 configuration question

 

Hi,

 

Is this the only server in the domain? If so then the Active Directory

domain is gone and the workstations will have to be un-joined from the dead

domain and re-joined to the new domain. Domain names are set via GUID not

common name.

 

However, there are instances where you can create computer account names in

the new domain and "sometimes" the workstations of the same name will find

the domain controller. However, I certainly have not found it reliable

enough to depend on it.

 

How is everything running without a domain? How do users login? In my domain

users login to the domain. Without a domain they have no access.

 

Sounds odd to me your opinions of the IT person. Waiting for a new OS to

come out with all the bugs and issues that belong to that seems a bit

far-fetched. I never upgrade in an working environment until the OS has been

out for a year and has been FULLY tested.

 

Especially seeing as the jump from 2003 to 2008 seems as large as the jump

from NT to 2000.

 

Cheers,

Lara

 

"Anne" wrote:

> The hard drive crashed on the server of one of my clients and upon

> reinstallation, the IT person did not re-create the domain because it was too

> much work and he wants to wait until Small Business Server 2008 is out to

> reconfigure the server.

> Now the server is in a different workgroup than the workstations and it is

> creating big problems with permission and access, but I am running into a

> wall trying to get him to change it. His reasoning for making the change from

> a domain to a workgroup was that if he configured the server as domain again,

> he would have to redo all the workstations.

> Am I wrong in assuming that if he had configured the new hard drive with the

> same domain and users as before, the workstation should have just found the

> server again, just as they did before?

> I searched the net and found nothing about a possible release date for SBS

> 2008. Does anyone believe this is going to happen soon?

>

[Guest Paul Weterings]

Re: Windows Server 2003 configuration question

 

This sounds just plain crazy. You'd even be better off running at least

all the systems in the same workgroup. (which is still silly)

 

Just out of curiosity: about how many machines are we talking here?

 

Seems to me that the current situation is causing much more work than

recreating the domain (which by the way, unless you have more DC's or a

decent backup, you will need to do as Lara pointed out).

 

/ ) Regards,

/ /_________

_|__|__) Paul Weterings

/ (O_)

__/ (O_)

____(O_)

 

Anne wrote:

> The hard drive crashed on the server of one of my clients and upon

> reinstallation, the IT person did not re-create the domain because it was too

> much work and he wants to wait until Small Business Server 2008 is out to

> reconfigure the server.

> Now the server is in a different workgroup than the workstations and it is

> creating big problems with permission and access, but I am running into a

> wall trying to get him to change it. His reasoning for making the change from

> a domain to a workgroup was that if he configured the server as domain again,

> he would have to redo all the workstations.

> Am I wrong in assuming that if he had configured the new hard drive with the

> same domain and users as before, the workstation should have just found the

> server again, just as they did before?

> I searched the net and found nothing about a possible release date for SBS

> 2008. Does anyone believe this is going to happen soon?

>

[Guest Meinolf Weber]

Re: Windows Server 2003 configuration question

 

Hello Anne,

 

If this was the only DC and you do not have an actual backup from the system

state, you are lost and have either, to rebuild the domain and join the workstations

again to the new domain, even if i thas the same name because the SID from

the domain is diffferent from the old domain and so the clients/users can

not authenticate against it or you have to bring all workstations and the

server to the same workgroup and have to create on the server and the workstations

ALL user accounts with the same password to use shares etc.

 

Best regards

 

Meinolf Weber

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> The hard drive crashed on the server of one of my clients and upon

> reinstallation, the IT person did not re-create the domain because it

> was too

> much work and he wants to wait until Small Business Server 2008 is out

> to

> reconfigure the server.

> Now the server is in a different workgroup than the workstations and

> it is

> creating big problems with permission and access, but I am running

> into a

> wall trying to get him to change it. His reasoning for making the

> change from

> a domain to a workgroup was that if he configured the server as domain

> again,

> he would have to redo all the workstations.

> Am I wrong in assuming that if he had configured the new hard drive

> with the

> same domain and users as before, the workstation should have just

> found the

> server again, just as they did before?

> I searched the net and found nothing about a possible release date for

> SBS

> 2008. Does anyone believe this is going to happen soon?

[Guest Meinolf Weber]

Re: Windows Server 2003 configuration question

 

Hello Anne,

 

Date roomers are august 2008 but not decided from all discussions even from

the product team.

 

Best regards

 

Meinolf Weber

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> The hard drive crashed on the server of one of my clients and upon

> reinstallation, the IT person did not re-create the domain because it

> was too

> much work and he wants to wait until Small Business Server 2008 is out

> to

> reconfigure the server.

> Now the server is in a different workgroup than the workstations and

> it is

> creating big problems with permission and access, but I am running

> into a

> wall trying to get him to change it. His reasoning for making the

> change from

> a domain to a workgroup was that if he configured the server as domain

> again,

> he would have to redo all the workstations.

> Am I wrong in assuming that if he had configured the new hard drive

> with the

> same domain and users as before, the workstation should have just

> found the

> server again, just as they did before?

> I searched the net and found nothing about a possible release date for

> SBS

> 2008. Does anyone believe this is going to happen soon?

[Guest Anne]

Re: Windows Server 2003 configuration question

 

It also find it crazy and I do agree with Laura would also wait with SBS 2008.

 

There is only one server, 7 accounting workstations and 7 engineering

workstations.

The system is really bad. I do software support and accounting supervision.

I am just so frustrated with this situation. According to the IT, he is just

saving the company money by not doing the setup twice. We seem to be in a

tuck of war on who is right about what should be done. I realize now, that he

his right, it will be a lot of work.

 

In the mean time, none of the files are on the server are protected, anyone

can open any file on the server (I don't know how he did that). However,

files on the local C drive (my access program files) I cannot be accessed at

all or replace with a new version unless I dial each individual workstation.

Data backups cannot be run from a workstation anymore because of permission

issues.

 

Your answers have given me some insight and I will pursue my endeavor to get

the problem fixed.

Thank you,

Anne

 

 

"Meinolf Weber" wrote:

> Hello Anne,

>

> Date roomers are august 2008 but not decided from all discussions even from

> the product team.

>

> Best regards

>

> Meinolf Weber

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> no rights.

> ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups

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>

> > The hard drive crashed on the server of one of my clients and upon

> > reinstallation, the IT person did not re-create the domain because it

> > was too

> > much work and he wants to wait until Small Business Server 2008 is out

> > to

> > reconfigure the server.

> > Now the server is in a different workgroup than the workstations and

> > it is

> > creating big problems with permission and access, but I am running

> > into a

> > wall trying to get him to change it. His reasoning for making the

> > change from

> > a domain to a workgroup was that if he configured the server as domain

> > again,

> > he would have to redo all the workstations.

> > Am I wrong in assuming that if he had configured the new hard drive

> > with the

> > same domain and users as before, the workstation should have just

> > found the

> > server again, just as they did before?

> > I searched the net and found nothing about a possible release date for

> > SBS

> > 2008. Does anyone believe this is going to happen soon?

>

>

>

[Guest lforbes]

Re: Windows Server 2003 configuration question

 

I don't understand how installing a new domain is going to take any time with

14 workstations? Now if we were talking 500 like I have then that is a

different story. I re-image 14 machines in about 2 hours. I reimage all 500

every year so that is nothing.

 

Installing the OS takes a few hours but running dcpromo and making it a

domain takes about 30 minutes max?

 

It really sounds like the IT guy may not have the knowledge or the skills

and that is making him think it is a bigger job than it is.

 

Seems a bit weird to me.

 

Cheers,

Lara

 

"Anne" wrote:

> It also find it crazy and I do agree with Laura would also wait with SBS 2008.

>

> There is only one server, 7 accounting workstations and 7 engineering

> workstations.

> The system is really bad. I do software support and accounting supervision.

> I am just so frustrated with this situation. According to the IT, he is just

> saving the company money by not doing the setup twice. We seem to be in a

> tuck of war on who is right about what should be done. I realize now, that he

> his right, it will be a lot of work.

>

> In the mean time, none of the files are on the server are protected, anyone

> can open any file on the server (I don't know how he did that). However,

> files on the local C drive (my access program files) I cannot be accessed at

> all or replace with a new version unless I dial each individual workstation.

> Data backups cannot be run from a workstation anymore because of permission

> issues.

>

> Your answers have given me some insight and I will pursue my endeavor to get

> the problem fixed.

> Thank you,

> Anne

>

>

> "Meinolf Weber" wrote:

>

> > Hello Anne,

> >

> > Date roomers are august 2008 but not decided from all discussions even from

> > the product team.

> >

> > Best regards

> >

> > Meinolf Weber

> > Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers

> > no rights.

> > ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups

> > ** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm

> >

> > > The hard drive crashed on the server of one of my clients and upon

> > > reinstallation, the IT person did not re-create the domain because it

> > > was too

> > > much work and he wants to wait until Small Business Server 2008 is out

> > > to

> > > reconfigure the server.

> > > Now the server is in a different workgroup than the workstations and

> > > it is

> > > creating big problems with permission and access, but I am running

> > > into a

> > > wall trying to get him to change it. His reasoning for making the

> > > change from

> > > a domain to a workgroup was that if he configured the server as domain

> > > again,

> > > he would have to redo all the workstations.

> > > Am I wrong in assuming that if he had configured the new hard drive

> > > with the

> > > same domain and users as before, the workstation should have just

> > > found the

> > > server again, just as they did before?

> > > I searched the net and found nothing about a possible release date for

> > > SBS

> > > 2008. Does anyone believe this is going to happen soon?

> >

> >

> >