Guest PCR Posted March 31, 2008 Posted March 31, 2008 Re: Inbox contents simply vanished Larry wrote: |> Sounds like you got major corruption during the lockup/bad shutdown. | | Yes, the computer froze, I restarted by pressing the external restart | button on the tower, and after that is when the Inbox contents were | missing. | |> Did you check for *.chk files as Franc suggested? | | I don't see a Franc in this thread, and don't remember anything about | .chk files. I see Zabcar's post below. If auto-Scandisk ran during the boot after your crash, it may have put File.chk files in the C: directory. Open those in Notepad for anything readable. Other than that, one of these may recover your Input.dbx file. But the longer you use the computer, the less likely you will get a deleted file back. After Delete, the space occupied by the file can freely be used by the system. As soon as something overwrites it, the file is truly gone. Also, running a Defrag (but not a Scandisk) appears to make them truly disappear. http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Kaus/homepage.htm Recover For All http://hccweb1.bai.ne.jp/~hcj58401/ Undelete http://www.briggsoft.com/dsnoop.htm DSnoop Undelete http://www.pcinspector.de/file_recovery/uk/welcome.htm Undelete http://www.snapfiles.com/get/restoration.html Restoration http://aumha.org/downloads/restoration.exe Also Restoration The one I use is Restoration. It's showing me old stuff in my store right now. Some of them don't have their full name or the file type ..dbx, but seem recognisable. | But from what you say, it sounds as though the e-mails are basically | lost. It's not a terrible disaster. I've lost stuff too, but I think it was from other causes. I suspect I wiped out an Inbox once by a misapplied message rule meant to delete older messages from this newsgroup only. Also, I may have hit the delete key & wiped out a whole newsgroup. Finally, I intentionally deleted what I thought was an empty .dbx-- but it was just my View menu settings at fault! Still, it is good to do as the others have said to avoid true corruption. | Larry | | | | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | news:eG7RcSXkIHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... |> |> "Larry" <larry328NOSPAM@att.net> wrote in message |> news:%235VtCHXkIHA.1168@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... |> | Hi, sorry I didn't get back sooner. |> | |> | I downloaded OE Reader as recommended, browsed to the Inbox.dbx |> | file (which I had renamed XXX.dbx and placed on the Desktop), and |> | opened it. Message said: |> | |> | "File does not contain any message." |> | |> | Yet the file's size is 1.24 MB. |> | |> | Go figure. |> | |> | Larry |> | |> |> Sounds like you got major corruption during the lockup/bad shutdown. |> |> Did you check for *.chk files as Franc suggested? |> |> You can try to open that file [or others you might find] with a code |> capable editor or hex editor and maybe recover some of the text {a |> tedious task}. |> |> Of course, from now on, follow the normal procedure of moving from |> the inbox to some other folder, and exporting the most important to |> text or eml files. |> |> BTW: 98SE doesn't crash all that often if everything is setup |> properly, so you might want to diagnose WHY your system seems to |> crash alot. |> |> -- |> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com |> -- |> _________ |> |> |> | |> | |> | |> | "bobster" <fauxie@bogus.net> wrote in message |> | news:uyN57AIkIHA.4664@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... |> | > Try this. It's the successor to MiTec OE view. I use it and it |> | > works fine for me. |> | > |> | > http://www.snapfiles.com/get/dbxviewer.html |> | > |> | > "Larry" <larry328NOSPAM@att.net> wrote in message |> | > news:erUy0yAkIHA.6032@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... |> | > > I haven't been following this thread but this confuses me. |> | > > How did |> you |> | > determine the size of it when it was 400KB? And when it was |> | > 1.24 MB? |> | > |> | > By seeing the size of the Inbox.dbx file in Windows Explorer. |> | > |> | > > > 2. Get any of the many programs to extract messages from |> | > > .dbx | files |> | and |> | > run |> | > > it |> | > |> | > I did try OE Extract and it doesn't do anything and provides no |> | > instructions, so I guess one of the nonfreeware apps is next. |> | > |> | > |> | > "dadiOH" <someone@fuggetit.com> wrote in message |> | > news:eGJ5QW$jIHA.4120@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... |> | > > Larry wrote: |> | > > > Strange things going on (see below), but I think the problem |> | > > > may be solvable. |> | > > > |> | > > > 1. The Inbox, prior to the problem, would have been around |> | > > > 80 or 90 MB. As I said, my procedure is to let it build up |> | > > > for a few weeks and then move a lot of it into a custom |> | > > > folder. But after the problem occurred, the Inbox was 130 |> | > > > KB. After I received e-mails since this morning, it went up |> | > > > to about 400 KB. |> | > > > |> | > > > 2. But here's the strange thing: just now I looked again, |> | > > > and the only Inbox.dbx in the OE folder has 1.24 MB!!! So |> | > > > somehow it's returned. |> | > > |> | > > I haven't been following this thread but this confuses me. |> | > > How did you determine the size of it when it was 400KB? And |> | > > when it was 1.24 MB? ________________ |> | > > |> | > > > 3. Yet the Inbox in the OE application is still just the |> | > > > e-mails received since this morning. |> | > > |> | > > Because it is screwed up. That is, whatever methodology used |> | > > to determine messages start/end and/or count is wrong. Like a |> | > > file that has its EOF in the wrong place/ |> | > > __________________ |> | > > |> | > > This is what I'd do... |> | > > |> | > > 1. Save a copy of Inbox.dbx somewhere |> | > > |> | > > 2. Get any of the many programs to extract messages from .dbx |> | > > files and run it |> | > > |> | > > 3. If it is successful in getting your messages, save them as |> | > > MAIL ( i.e., *.eml - separate, discrete messages) in a folder |> | > > on your desktop. |> | > > |> | > > If not successful, forget what follows. |> | > > |> | > > 4. Delete Inbox.dbx using Explorer |> | > > |> | > > 5. Open OE and display its Inbox - which should now be empty |> | > > |> | > > 6. Select all the recovered email messages in your temporary |> | > > desktop folder and drag them to the OE pane where they would |> | > > normally be displayed. |> | > > |> | > > 7. Close OE |> | > > |> | > > dadiOH -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR pcrrcp@netzero.net
Guest Bill in Co. Posted April 3, 2008 Posted April 3, 2008 Re: Inbox contents simply vanished Bill in Co. wrote: > PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote: >> [i note that Bill is running WinXP SP2 now, not Win98.] > > Mostly now, but I still have my Win98SE up and running. More below. Hey PCR, if you're considering WinXP (i.e., in addition to W98SE, like me :-), better not wait too much longer, as time is running out. After June - no more XP.
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted April 3, 2008 Posted April 3, 2008 Re: Inbox contents simply vanished What do you mean? -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:%23vh34gclIHA.3888@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > Bill in Co. wrote: >> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote: >>> [i note that Bill is running WinXP SP2 now, not Win98.] >> >> Mostly now, but I still have my Win98SE up and running. More below. > > Hey PCR, if you're considering WinXP (i.e., in addition to W98SE, like me > :-), better not wait too much longer, as time is running out. After > June - no more XP. >
Guest Bill in Co. Posted April 3, 2008 Posted April 3, 2008 Re: Inbox contents simply vanished According to MS, WinXP will not be allowed to be installed on any OEMs after June (June 30, as I recall). And it may not be able to be sold new, anymore, in the stores after that date (not positive on this latter one, but am sure on the former one). Then your choices after that date will be Vista, or Linux, basically (for the home user) Gary S. Terhune wrote: > What do you mean? > > -- > Gary S. Terhune > MS-MVP Shell/User > http://www.grystmill.com > > "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message > news:%23vh34gclIHA.3888@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >> Bill in Co. wrote: >>> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote: >>>> [i note that Bill is running WinXP SP2 now, not Win98.] >>> >>> Mostly now, but I still have my Win98SE up and running. More below. >> >> Hey PCR, if you're considering WinXP (i.e., in addition to W98SE, like me >> :-), better not wait too much longer, as time is running out. After >> June - no more XP.
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted April 3, 2008 Posted April 3, 2008 Re: Inbox contents simply vanished There's always EBay. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:Opi6z7dlIHA.464@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > According to MS, WinXP will not be allowed to be installed on any OEMs > after June (June 30, as I recall). And it may not be able to be sold > new, anymore, in the stores after that date (not positive on this latter > one, but am sure on the former one). > > Then your choices after that date will be Vista, or Linux, basically (for > the home user) > > Gary S. Terhune wrote: >> What do you mean? >> >> -- >> Gary S. Terhune >> MS-MVP Shell/User >> http://www.grystmill.com >> >> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message >> news:%23vh34gclIHA.3888@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>> Bill in Co. wrote: >>>> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote: >>>>> [i note that Bill is running WinXP SP2 now, not Win98.] >>>> >>>> Mostly now, but I still have my Win98SE up and running. More below. >>> >>> Hey PCR, if you're considering WinXP (i.e., in addition to W98SE, like >>> me >>> :-), better not wait too much longer, as time is running out. After >>> June - no more XP. > >
Guest Adam Posted April 4, 2008 Posted April 4, 2008 Re: Inbox contents simply vanished Does this mean that WinXP from MSDN disks can no longer be installed after June 30? "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:Opi6z7dlIHA.464@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > According to MS, WinXP will not be allowed to be installed on any OEMs after > June (June 30, as I recall). And it may not be able to be sold new, > anymore, in the stores after that date (not positive on this latter one, but > am sure on the former one). > > Then your choices after that date will be Vista, or Linux, basically (for > the home user) > > Gary S. Terhune wrote: > > What do you mean? > > > > -- > > Gary S. Terhune > > MS-MVP Shell/User > > http://www.grystmill.com > > > > "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message > > news:%23vh34gclIHA.3888@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > >> Bill in Co. wrote: > >>> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote: > >>>> [i note that Bill is running WinXP SP2 now, not Win98.] > >>> > >>> Mostly now, but I still have my Win98SE up and running. More below. > >> > >> Hey PCR, if you're considering WinXP (i.e., in addition to W98SE, like me > >> :-), better not wait too much longer, as time is running out. After > >> June - no more XP. > >
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted April 4, 2008 Posted April 4, 2008 Re: Inbox contents simply vanished Not that I know of. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com "Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> wrote in message news:H_rJj.820$GO4.485@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net... > Does this mean that WinXP from > MSDN disks can no longer be installed after June 30? > > > "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message > news:Opi6z7dlIHA.464@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >> According to MS, WinXP will not be allowed to be installed on any OEMs >> after >> June (June 30, as I recall). And it may not be able to be sold new, >> anymore, in the stores after that date (not positive on this latter one, >> but >> am sure on the former one). >> >> Then your choices after that date will be Vista, or Linux, basically (for >> the home user) >> >> Gary S. Terhune wrote: >> > What do you mean? >> > >> > -- >> > Gary S. Terhune >> > MS-MVP Shell/User >> > http://www.grystmill.com >> > >> > "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message >> > news:%23vh34gclIHA.3888@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >> >> Bill in Co. wrote: >> >>> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote: >> >>>> [i note that Bill is running WinXP SP2 now, not Win98.] >> >>> >> >>> Mostly now, but I still have my Win98SE up and running. More >> >>> below. >> >> >> >> Hey PCR, if you're considering WinXP (i.e., in addition to W98SE, like >> >> me >> >> :-), better not wait too much longer, as time is running out. After >> >> June - no more XP. >> >> >
Guest PA Bear [MS MVP] Posted April 4, 2008 Posted April 4, 2008 Re: Inbox contents simply vanished NO! Adam wrote: > Does this mean that WinXP from > MSDN disks can no longer be installed after June 30? > > > "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message > news:Opi6z7dlIHA.464@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >> According to MS, WinXP will not be allowed to be installed on any OEMs >> after June (June 30, as I recall). And it may not be able to be sold >> new, anymore, in the stores after that date (not positive on this latter >> one, but am sure on the former one). >> >> Then your choices after that date will be Vista, or Linux, basically (for >> the home user) >> >> Gary S. Terhune wrote: >>> What do you mean? >>> >>> -- >>> Gary S. Terhune >>> MS-MVP Shell/User >>> http://www.grystmill.com >>> >>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message >>> news:%23vh34gclIHA.3888@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>>> Bill in Co. wrote: >>>>> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote: >>>>>> [i note that Bill is running WinXP SP2 now, not Win98.] >>>>> >>>>> Mostly now, but I still have my Win98SE up and running. More below. >>>> >>>> Hey PCR, if you're considering WinXP (i.e., in addition to W98SE, like >>>> me >>>> :-), better not wait too much longer, as time is running out. After >>>> June - no more XP.
Guest Adam Posted April 4, 2008 Posted April 4, 2008 Re: Inbox contents simply vanished Would someone please elaborate? What exactly is happening (in relation to WinXP) after June 30? "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message news:#AFgKUolIHA.5368@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > NO! > > Adam wrote: > > Does this mean that WinXP from > > MSDN disks can no longer be installed after June 30? > > > > > > "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message > > news:Opi6z7dlIHA.464@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > >> According to MS, WinXP will not be allowed to be installed on any OEMs > >> after June (June 30, as I recall). And it may not be able to be sold > >> new, anymore, in the stores after that date (not positive on this latter > >> one, but am sure on the former one). > >> > >> Then your choices after that date will be Vista, or Linux, basically (for > >> the home user) > >> > >> Gary S. Terhune wrote: > >>> What do you mean? > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Gary S. Terhune > >>> MS-MVP Shell/User > >>> http://www.grystmill.com > >>> > >>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message > >>> news:%23vh34gclIHA.3888@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > >>>> Bill in Co. wrote: > >>>>> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote: > >>>>>> [i note that Bill is running WinXP SP2 now, not Win98.] > >>>>> > >>>>> Mostly now, but I still have my Win98SE up and running. More below. > >>>> > >>>> Hey PCR, if you're considering WinXP (i.e., in addition to W98SE, like > >>>> me > >>>> :-), better not wait too much longer, as time is running out. After > >>>> June - no more XP. >
Guest Bill in Co. Posted April 4, 2008 Posted April 4, 2008 Re: Inbox contents simply vanished OEM's (like Dell, Gateway, HP, etc) will not be allowed to install WinXP on their new computers anymore (due to Vista taking over). And actually, at this point in time, you'd have a hard time getting WinXP installed with any of those guys above, except Dell (and then only for a few models). As for retail sales of WinXP in the stores after that date, I *think* those will be replaced with Vista, too, on or after that date, but I'm not positive on this. If someone can find the article, that would help (I'm on dialup and it would take me awhile to locate it again) Adam wrote: > Would someone please elaborate? What exactly is > happening (in relation to WinXP) after June 30? > > > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:#AFgKUolIHA.5368@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> NO! >> >> Adam wrote: >>> Does this mean that WinXP from >>> MSDN disks can no longer be installed after June 30? >>> >>> >>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message >>> news:Opi6z7dlIHA.464@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>> According to MS, WinXP will not be allowed to be installed on any OEMs >>>> after June (June 30, as I recall). And it may not be able to be sold >>>> new, anymore, in the stores after that date (not positive on this >>>> latter >>>> one, but am sure on the former one). >>>> >>>> Then your choices after that date will be Vista, or Linux, basically >>>> (for >>>> the home user) >>>> >>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote: >>>>> What do you mean? >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Gary S. Terhune >>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User >>>>> http://www.grystmill.com >>>>> >>>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message >>>>> news:%23vh34gclIHA.3888@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>>>>> Bill in Co. wrote: >>>>>>> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote: >>>>>>>> [i note that Bill is running WinXP SP2 now, not Win98.] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mostly now, but I still have my Win98SE up and running. More >>>>>>> below. >>>>>> >>>>>> Hey PCR, if you're considering WinXP (i.e., in addition to W98SE, >>>>>> like >>>>>> me >>>>>> :-), better not wait too much longer, as time is running out. >>>>>> After >>>>>> June - no more XP.
Guest PA Bear [MS MVP] Posted April 4, 2008 Posted April 4, 2008 Re: Inbox contents simply vanished Windows XP, R.I.P. - except on low-cost PCs: http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/microsoft/archives/135707.asp -- ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002 AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net DTS-L http://dts-l.net/ Adam wrote: > Would someone please elaborate? What exactly is > happening (in relation to WinXP) after June 30?
Guest Bill in Co. Posted April 4, 2008 Posted April 4, 2008 Re: Inbox contents simply vanished OK, so to correct this: as long as the OEMs still have some XP copies in stock, they can still install it after that date, but that's it. And as for being on the shelves in the stores after June 30, nope. Bill in Co. wrote: > OEM's (like Dell, Gateway, HP, etc) will not be allowed to install WinXP > on > their new computers anymore (due to Vista taking over). > > And actually, at this point in time, you'd have a hard time getting WinXP > installed with any of those guys above, except Dell (and then only for a > few > models). > > As for retail sales of WinXP in the stores after that date, I *think* > those > will be replaced with Vista, too, on or after that date, but I'm not > positive on this. > > If someone can find the article, that would help (I'm on dialup and it > would > take me awhile to locate it again) > > Adam wrote: >> Would someone please elaborate? What exactly is >> happening (in relation to WinXP) after June 30? >> >> >> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:#AFgKUolIHA.5368@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>> NO! >>> >>> Adam wrote: >>>> Does this mean that WinXP from >>>> MSDN disks can no longer be installed after June 30? >>>> >>>> >>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message >>>> news:Opi6z7dlIHA.464@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>>> According to MS, WinXP will not be allowed to be installed on any OEMs >>>>> after June (June 30, as I recall). And it may not be able to be >>>>> sold >>>>> new, anymore, in the stores after that date (not positive on this >>>>> latter >>>>> one, but am sure on the former one). >>>>> >>>>> Then your choices after that date will be Vista, or Linux, basically >>>>> (for >>>>> the home user) >>>>> >>>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote: >>>>>> What do you mean? >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Gary S. Terhune >>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User >>>>>> http://www.grystmill.com >>>>>> >>>>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message >>>>>> news:%23vh34gclIHA.3888@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>>>>>> Bill in Co. wrote: >>>>>>>> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote: >>>>>>>>> [i note that Bill is running WinXP SP2 now, not Win98.] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mostly now, but I still have my Win98SE up and running. More >>>>>>>> below. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hey PCR, if you're considering WinXP (i.e., in addition to W98SE, >>>>>>> like >>>>>>> me >>>>>>> :-), better not wait too much longer, as time is running out. >>>>>>> After >>>>>>> June - no more XP.
Guest PCR Posted April 4, 2008 Posted April 4, 2008 Re: Inbox contents simply vanished Bill in Co. wrote: | Bill in Co. wrote: |> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote: |>> [i note that Bill is running WinXP SP2 now, not Win98.] |> |> Mostly now, but I still have my Win98SE up and running. More |> below. | | Hey PCR, if you're considering WinXP (i.e., in addition to W98SE, | like me :-), better not wait too much longer, as time is running out. | After June - no more XP. I've noted more/more complaints about that, & I see the article Bear dredged up at your request. BUT... (a) This Compaq 7470 with Win98SE seems to be going well yet, despite a hard drive crash, 2 monitors gone black & a mouse gone jumpy. (There was a big scare with the CD-R/W, but it recovered more/less on its own 3 days later-- miraculously!) (b) There is EBAY or such as Terhune said, if/when the worst happens, either for a full machine or a WinXP CD for a Dell, as you say. © Who knows Vista may have been improved or replaced by then. -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR pcrrcp@netzero.net
Guest Bill in Co. Posted April 5, 2008 Posted April 5, 2008 Re: Inbox contents simply vanished PCR wrote: > Bill in Co. wrote: >> Bill in Co. wrote: >>> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote: >>>> [i note that Bill is running WinXP SP2 now, not Win98.] >>> >>> Mostly now, but I still have my Win98SE up and running. More >>> below. >> >> Hey PCR, if you're considering WinXP (i.e., in addition to W98SE, >> like me :-), better not wait too much longer, as time is running out. >> After June - no more XP. > > I've noted more/more complaints about that, & I see the article Bear > dredged up at your request. BUT... > > (a) This Compaq 7470 with Win98SE seems to be going well yet, > despite a hard drive crash, 2 monitors gone black & a mouse > gone jumpy. (There was a big scare with the CD-R/W, but it > recovered more/less on its own 3 days later-- miraculously!) But, sooner or later you may not even be able to do online banking anymore, at the rate things are going. And some (most?) of the Tax programs won't install on W98SE anymore! (as another example) Plus (I'll have to admit this - albeit reluctantly), one good thing I've noticed about XP is I rarely, if ever, get a blue screen anymore (it sure seems more robust, for sure). > (b) There is EBAY or such as Terhune said, if/when the worst > happens, either for a full machine or a WinXP CD for a Dell, > as you say. I guess you could always consider eBay, but it IS kinda nice buying it new from Dell (they aren't that expensive now, either - as in, under $800) > © Who knows Vista may have been improved or replaced by then. Who knows??? I know! :-) Waaaaaaay too bloated, and always will be. It has to be, since it's like XP bloated on steroids. It ain't going to get leaner, that's for sure. I'd roughly estimate the ballpark sizes of just the operating systems as follows: Win98SE: 200 MB (nice and lean!) Win XP: 2 GB (a bit of overhead here, but tolerable for its robustness) Vista 20 GB (let's not go here!!!) And WinXP can run well on 512 MB (and perhaps even 256K) of RAM. Try anything close to that on VISTA - and FORGET IT!!! You can START with 1 GB (what a WASTE!!) I could be off a bit, but that's my rough guess-estimation. Somebody can correct me if I'm wrong. > > -- > Thanks or Good Luck, > There may be humor in this post, and, > Naturally, you will not sue, > Should things get worse after this, > PCR > pcrrcp@netzero.net
Guest PCR Posted April 5, 2008 Posted April 5, 2008 Re: Inbox contents simply vanished Bill in Co. wrote: | PCR wrote: |> Bill in Co. wrote: |>> Bill in Co. wrote: |>>> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote: |>>>> [i note that Bill is running WinXP SP2 now, not Win98.] |>>> |>>> Mostly now, but I still have my Win98SE up and running. More |>>> below. |>> |>> Hey PCR, if you're considering WinXP (i.e., in addition to W98SE, |>> like me :-), better not wait too much longer, as time is running |>> out. After June - no more XP. |> |> I've noted more/more complaints about that, & I see the article Bear |> dredged up at your request. BUT... |> |> (a) This Compaq 7470 with Win98SE seems to be going well yet, |> despite a hard drive crash, 2 monitors gone black & a mouse |> gone jumpy. (There was a big scare with the CD-R/W, but it |> recovered more/less on its own 3 days later-- miraculously!) | | But, sooner or later you may not even be able to do online banking | anymore, at the rate things are going. And some (most?) of the Tax | programs won't install on W98SE anymore! (as another example) I can do some banking over the phone with an 800 number. For the rest, I just walk there. ConEd also will take payments over the phone from a regular checking account. So will Verison-- but they charge! Therefore, I still send them a check. I do my taxes with MS Works Spreadsheet. I then manually transfer the best outcome to paper. I used to print forms from the government site, but I ran out of ink 3 years ago. So, I'm back to having them send them to me. I never did try to do my taxes online-- for fear they might see the various preliminary outcomes! | Plus (I'll have to admit this - albeit reluctantly), one good thing | I've noticed about XP is I rarely, if ever, get a blue screen anymore | (it sure seems more robust, for sure). Hmm. But you & I never got many with Win98, either-- not that we've often admitted to! |> (b) There is EBAY or such as Terhune said, if/when the worst |> happens, either for a full machine or a WinXP CD for a Dell, |> as you say. | | I guess you could always consider eBay, but it IS kinda nice buying | it new from Dell (they aren't that expensive now, either - as in, | under $800) That isn't bad. I'd go running for that, except this machine isn't dead yet. |> © Who knows Vista may have been improved or replaced by then. | | Who knows??? I know! :-) Waaaaaaay too bloated, and always | will be. It has to be, since it's like XP bloated on steroids. It | ain't going to get leaner, that's for sure. I'd roughly estimate | the ballpark sizes of just the operating systems as follows: | | Win98SE: 200 MB (nice and lean!) | Win XP: 2 GB (a bit of overhead here, but tolerable for | its robustness) | Vista 20 GB (let's not go here!!!) That does sound pretty bad! What on earth could it need 20 GB for!? My primary hard drive is only that big! (But I do have a 2nd of 40 GB.) I'm sure I would make the same choice you did-- but it isn't my time yet! | And WinXP can run well on 512 MB (and perhaps even 256K) of RAM. | Try anything close to that on VISTA - and FORGET IT!!! You can | START with 1 GB (what a WASTE!!) | | I could be off a bit, but that's my rough guess-estimation. | Somebody can correct me if I'm wrong. If you are anywhere close-- it's close enough for me! I would go for XP too. |> |> -- |> Thanks or Good Luck, |> There may be humor in this post, and, |> Naturally, you will not sue, |> Should things get worse after this, |> PCR |> pcrrcp@netzero.net -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR pcrrcp@netzero.net
Guest Bill in Co. Posted April 5, 2008 Posted April 5, 2008 Re: Inbox contents simply vanished PCR wrote: > Bill in Co. wrote: >> PCR wrote: >>> Bill in Co. wrote: >>>> Bill in Co. wrote: >>>>> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote: >>>>>> [i note that Bill is running WinXP SP2 now, not Win98.] >>>>> >>>>> Mostly now, but I still have my Win98SE up and running. More >>>>> below. >>>> >>>> Hey PCR, if you're considering WinXP (i.e., in addition to W98SE, >>>> like me :-), better not wait too much longer, as time is running >>>> out. After June - no more XP. >>> >>> I've noted more/more complaints about that, & I see the article Bear >>> dredged up at your request. BUT... >>> >>> (a) This Compaq 7470 with Win98SE seems to be going well yet, >>> despite a hard drive crash, 2 monitors gone black & a mouse >>> gone jumpy. (There was a big scare with the CD-R/W, but it >>> recovered more/less on its own 3 days later-- miraculously!) >> >> But, sooner or later you may not even be able to do online banking >> anymore, at the rate things are going. And some (most?) of the Tax >> programs won't install on W98SE anymore! (as another example) > > I can do some banking over the phone with an 800 number. For the rest, I > just walk there. ConEd also will take payments over the phone from a > regular checking account. So will Verison-- but they charge! Therefore, > I still send them a check. What I meant by online banking was that I pay ALL my bills that way. It's really convenient as I don't have to mail anything. However, I do have paper bills sent to me. So its a marriage of technologies: incoming bills are on paper, so I can save the paper records, but all payments are made online through my bank and I don't have to mail anything!! It's just deducted from my bank account. > I do my taxes with MS Works Spreadsheet. I then manually transfer the > best outcome to paper. I used to print forms from the government site, > but I ran out of ink 3 years ago. So, I'm back to having them send them > to me. I never did try to do my taxes online-- for fear they might see > the various preliminary outcomes! You don't have to do them online. I don't do them online - I use the Tax CD to install the program on my computer. I think it would be easier than using a spreadsheet, since the tax forms are automatically filled in as you make the entries within the tax program - plus you can e-file the results and not send any paper to the Feds or the State, which is nice. And of course you can print the results if you want. The only drawback is that you need to get a new one for each year. >> Plus (I'll have to admit this - albeit reluctantly), one good thing >> I've noticed about XP is I rarely, if ever, get a blue screen anymore >> (it sure seems more robust, for sure). > > Hmm. But you & I never got many with Win98, either-- not that we've > often admitted to! Well, I did have a few, when I was getting down and dirty with it, but I haven't had that happen yet in XP. I think (now) there is some truth to it being more robust. But then again, there is a bit more overhead, but nothing like VISTA (ugh). >>> (b) There is EBAY or such as Terhune said, if/when the worst >>> happens, either for a full machine or a WinXP CD for a Dell, >>> as you say. >> >> I guess you could always consider eBay, but it IS kinda nice buying >> it new from Dell (they aren't that expensive now, either - as in, >> under $800) > > That isn't bad. I'd go running for that, except this machine isn't dead > yet. Mine wasn't either, so I have it over here next to me as a backup (or spare). BTW, I also upgraded that Win98SE computer with a much faster microprocessor while I still could get one (from PowerLeap). But they've since discontinued that specific upgrade since it was so old (my Win98SE Dell dates back to about 2000, or so, and I originally had an 800 MHz chip, but now it has a 1.4 GHz one (and after the necessary BIOS update). >>> © Who knows Vista may have been improved or replaced by then. >> >> Who knows??? I know! :-) Waaaaaaay too bloated, and always >> will be. It has to be, since it's like XP bloated on steroids. It >> ain't going to get leaner, that's for sure. I'd roughly estimate >> the ballpark sizes of just the operating systems as follows: >> >> Win98SE: 200 MB (nice and lean!) >> Win XP: 2 GB (a bit of overhead here, but tolerable for its >> robustness) >> Vista 20 GB (let's not go here!!!) > > That does sound pretty bad! What on earth could it need 20 GB for!? My > primary hard drive is only that big! (But I do have a 2nd of 40 GB.) I'm > sure I would make the same choice you did-- but it isn't my time yet! I'm not sure about the figures above (esp Vista), but I think they are about right. Somebody can correct me if I'm wrong (for the rough estimates). >> And WinXP can run well on 512 MB (and perhaps even 256K) of RAM. >> Try anything close to that on VISTA - and FORGET IT!!! You can >> START with 1 GB (what a WASTE!!) >> >> I could be off a bit, but that's my rough guess-estimation. >> Somebody can correct me if I'm wrong. > > If you are anywhere close-- it's close enough for me! I would go for XP > too. Yeah, but time is running out. So I decided it was now or never (back in January), when MS put out that deadline of June. And you can't even get XP installed on some OEMs now, as it is. Dell is nice in that you can, but only on certain models. Anyway, think about it. :-) (I still think Win98SE is great, but some things about WinXP are nice, too :-)
Guest MEB Posted April 6, 2008 Posted April 6, 2008 Re: Inbox contents simply vanished Just an FYI: Microsoft appears to have extended the date for XP HOME sales due to issues with VISTA and need for a RELIABLE OS for ULCPCs. http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2008/apr08/04-03xpeos.mspx Soooo, adjust your thinking caps again.... -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com -- _________ "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:OD$sHRtlIHA.3888@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... | PCR wrote: | > Bill in Co. wrote: | >> PCR wrote: | >>> Bill in Co. wrote: | >>>> Bill in Co. wrote: | >>>>> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote: | >>>>>> [i note that Bill is running WinXP SP2 now, not Win98.] | >>>>> | >>>>> Mostly now, but I still have my Win98SE up and running. More | >>>>> below. | >>>> | >>>> Hey PCR, if you're considering WinXP (i.e., in addition to W98SE, | >>>> like me :-), better not wait too much longer, as time is running | >>>> out. After June - no more XP. | >>> | >>> I've noted more/more complaints about that, & I see the article Bear | >>> dredged up at your request. BUT... | >>> | >>> (a) This Compaq 7470 with Win98SE seems to be going well yet, | >>> despite a hard drive crash, 2 monitors gone black & a mouse | >>> gone jumpy. (There was a big scare with the CD-R/W, but it | >>> recovered more/less on its own 3 days later-- miraculously!) | >> | >> But, sooner or later you may not even be able to do online banking | >> anymore, at the rate things are going. And some (most?) of the Tax | >> programs won't install on W98SE anymore! (as another example) | > | > I can do some banking over the phone with an 800 number. For the rest, I | > just walk there. ConEd also will take payments over the phone from a | > regular checking account. So will Verison-- but they charge! Therefore, | > I still send them a check. | | What I meant by online banking was that I pay ALL my bills that way. It's | really convenient as I don't have to mail anything. However, I do have | paper bills sent to me. So its a marriage of technologies: incoming bills | are on paper, so I can save the paper records, but all payments are made | online through my bank and I don't have to mail anything!! It's just | deducted from my bank account. | | > I do my taxes with MS Works Spreadsheet. I then manually transfer the | > best outcome to paper. I used to print forms from the government site, | > but I ran out of ink 3 years ago. So, I'm back to having them send them | > to me. I never did try to do my taxes online-- for fear they might see | > the various preliminary outcomes! | | You don't have to do them online. I don't do them online - I use the Tax | CD to install the program on my computer. | | I think it would be easier than using a spreadsheet, since the tax forms are | automatically filled in as you make the entries within the tax program - | plus you can e-file the results and not send any paper to the Feds or the | State, which is nice. And of course you can print the results if you want. | The only drawback is that you need to get a new one for each year. | | >> Plus (I'll have to admit this - albeit reluctantly), one good thing | >> I've noticed about XP is I rarely, if ever, get a blue screen anymore | >> (it sure seems more robust, for sure). | > | > Hmm. But you & I never got many with Win98, either-- not that we've | > often admitted to! | | Well, I did have a few, when I was getting down and dirty with it, but I | haven't had that happen yet in XP. I think (now) there is some truth to | it being more robust. But then again, there is a bit more overhead, but | nothing like VISTA (ugh). | | >>> (b) There is EBAY or such as Terhune said, if/when the worst | >>> happens, either for a full machine or a WinXP CD for a Dell, | >>> as you say. | >> | >> I guess you could always consider eBay, but it IS kinda nice buying | >> it new from Dell (they aren't that expensive now, either - as in, | >> under $800) | > | > That isn't bad. I'd go running for that, except this machine isn't dead | > yet. | | Mine wasn't either, so I have it over here next to me as a backup (or | spare). | | BTW, I also upgraded that Win98SE computer with a much faster microprocessor | while I still could get one (from PowerLeap). But they've since | discontinued that specific upgrade since it was so old (my Win98SE Dell | dates back to about 2000, or so, and I originally had an 800 MHz chip, but | now it has a 1.4 GHz one (and after the necessary BIOS update). | | >>> © Who knows Vista may have been improved or replaced by then. | >> | >> Who knows??? I know! :-) Waaaaaaay too bloated, and always | >> will be. It has to be, since it's like XP bloated on steroids. It | >> ain't going to get leaner, that's for sure. I'd roughly estimate | >> the ballpark sizes of just the operating systems as follows: | >> | >> Win98SE: 200 MB (nice and lean!) | >> Win XP: 2 GB (a bit of overhead here, but tolerable for its | >> robustness) | >> Vista 20 GB (let's not go here!!!) | > | > That does sound pretty bad! What on earth could it need 20 GB for!? My | > primary hard drive is only that big! (But I do have a 2nd of 40 GB.) I'm | > sure I would make the same choice you did-- but it isn't my time yet! | | I'm not sure about the figures above (esp Vista), but I think they are about | right. Somebody can correct me if I'm wrong (for the rough estimates). | | >> And WinXP can run well on 512 MB (and perhaps even 256K) of RAM. | >> Try anything close to that on VISTA - and FORGET IT!!! You can | >> START with 1 GB (what a WASTE!!) | >> | >> I could be off a bit, but that's my rough guess-estimation. | >> Somebody can correct me if I'm wrong. | > | > If you are anywhere close-- it's close enough for me! I would go for XP | > too. | | Yeah, but time is running out. So I decided it was now or never (back in | January), when MS put out that deadline of June. | | And you can't even get XP installed on some OEMs now, as it is. Dell is | nice in that you can, but only on certain models. | | Anyway, think about it. :-) | (I still think Win98SE is great, but some things about WinXP are nice, too | :-) | |
Guest Bill in Co. Posted April 6, 2008 Posted April 6, 2008 Re: Inbox contents simply vanished No, that's only for the lowest end ("ultra low cost") mobile computer systems, not most of us. So it's basically still June 30. MEB wrote: > Just an FYI: > > Microsoft appears to have extended the date for XP HOME sales due to > issues > with VISTA and need for a RELIABLE OS for ULCPCs. > > http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2008/apr08/04-03xpeos.mspx > > Soooo, adjust your thinking caps again.... > > -- > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > -- > _________ > > "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message > news:OD$sHRtlIHA.3888@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >> PCR wrote: >>> Bill in Co. wrote: >>>> PCR wrote: >>>>> Bill in Co. wrote: >>>>>> Bill in Co. wrote: >>>>>>> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote: >>>>>>>> [i note that Bill is running WinXP SP2 now, not Win98.] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mostly now, but I still have my Win98SE up and running. More >>>>>>> below. >>>>>> >>>>>> Hey PCR, if you're considering WinXP (i.e., in addition to W98SE, >>>>>> like me :-), better not wait too much longer, as time is running >>>>>> out. After June - no more XP. >>>>> >>>>> I've noted more/more complaints about that, & I see the article Bear >>>>> dredged up at your request. BUT... >>>>> >>>>> (a) This Compaq 7470 with Win98SE seems to be going well yet, >>>>> despite a hard drive crash, 2 monitors gone black & a mouse >>>>> gone jumpy. (There was a big scare with the CD-R/W, but it >>>>> recovered more/less on its own 3 days later-- miraculously!) >>>> >>>> But, sooner or later you may not even be able to do online banking >>>> anymore, at the rate things are going. And some (most?) of the Tax >>>> programs won't install on W98SE anymore! (as another example) >>> >>> I can do some banking over the phone with an 800 number. For the rest, I >>> just walk there. ConEd also will take payments over the phone from a >>> regular checking account. So will Verison-- but they charge! Therefore, >>> I still send them a check. >> >> What I meant by online banking was that I pay ALL my bills that way. > It's >> really convenient as I don't have to mail anything. However, I do have >> paper bills sent to me. So its a marriage of technologies: incoming >> bills >> are on paper, so I can save the paper records, but all payments are made >> online through my bank and I don't have to mail anything!! It's just >> deducted from my bank account. >> >>> I do my taxes with MS Works Spreadsheet. I then manually transfer the >>> best outcome to paper. I used to print forms from the government site, >>> but I ran out of ink 3 years ago. So, I'm back to having them send them >>> to me. I never did try to do my taxes online-- for fear they might see >>> the various preliminary outcomes! >> >> You don't have to do them online. I don't do them online - I use the >> Tax >> CD to install the program on my computer. >> >> I think it would be easier than using a spreadsheet, since the tax forms >> are >> automatically filled in as you make the entries within the tax program - >> plus you can e-file the results and not send any paper to the Feds or the >> State, which is nice. And of course you can print the results if you >> want. >> The only drawback is that you need to get a new one for each year. >> >>>> Plus (I'll have to admit this - albeit reluctantly), one good thing >>>> I've noticed about XP is I rarely, if ever, get a blue screen anymore >>>> (it sure seems more robust, for sure). >>> >>> Hmm. But you & I never got many with Win98, either-- not that we've >>> often admitted to! >> >> Well, I did have a few, when I was getting down and dirty with it, but I >> haven't had that happen yet in XP. I think (now) there is some truth >> to >> it being more robust. But then again, there is a bit more overhead, but >> nothing like VISTA (ugh). >> >>>>> (b) There is EBAY or such as Terhune said, if/when the worst >>>>> happens, either for a full machine or a WinXP CD for a Dell, >>>>> as you say. >>>> >>>> I guess you could always consider eBay, but it IS kinda nice buying >>>> it new from Dell (they aren't that expensive now, either - as in, >>>> under $800) >>> >>> That isn't bad. I'd go running for that, except this machine isn't dead >>> yet. >> >> Mine wasn't either, so I have it over here next to me as a backup (or >> spare). >> >> BTW, I also upgraded that Win98SE computer with a much faster >> microprocessor >> while I still could get one (from PowerLeap). But they've since >> discontinued that specific upgrade since it was so old (my Win98SE Dell >> dates back to about 2000, or so, and I originally had an 800 MHz chip, >> but >> now it has a 1.4 GHz one (and after the necessary BIOS update). >> >>>>> © Who knows Vista may have been improved or replaced by then. >>>> >>>> Who knows??? I know! :-) Waaaaaaay too bloated, and always >>>> will be. It has to be, since it's like XP bloated on steroids. It >>>> ain't going to get leaner, that's for sure. I'd roughly estimate >>>> the ballpark sizes of just the operating systems as follows: >>>> >>>> Win98SE: 200 MB (nice and lean!) >>>> Win XP: 2 GB (a bit of overhead here, but tolerable for its >>>> robustness) >>>> Vista 20 GB (let's not go here!!!) >>> >>> That does sound pretty bad! What on earth could it need 20 GB for!? My >>> primary hard drive is only that big! (But I do have a 2nd of 40 GB.) I'm >>> sure I would make the same choice you did-- but it isn't my time yet! >> >> I'm not sure about the figures above (esp Vista), but I think they are >> about >> right. Somebody can correct me if I'm wrong (for the rough estimates). >> >>>> And WinXP can run well on 512 MB (and perhaps even 256K) of RAM. >>>> Try anything close to that on VISTA - and FORGET IT!!! You can >>>> START with 1 GB (what a WASTE!!) >>>> >>>> I could be off a bit, but that's my rough guess-estimation. >>>> Somebody can correct me if I'm wrong. >>> >>> If you are anywhere close-- it's close enough for me! I would go for XP >>> too. >> >> Yeah, but time is running out. So I decided it was now or never (back >> in >> January), when MS put out that deadline of June. >> >> And you can't even get XP installed on some OEMs now, as it is. Dell is >> nice in that you can, but only on certain models. >> >> Anyway, think about it. :-) >> (I still think Win98SE is great, but some things about WinXP are nice, >> too >> :-)
Guest zhyl@datanumen.net Posted April 17, 2008 Posted April 17, 2008 Re: Inbox contents simply vanished On 3ÔÂ26ÈÕ, ÏÂÎç1ʱ55·Ö, "Larry" <larry328NOS...@att..net> wrote: > In OE 6, Windows 98, the entire contents of the Inbox just vanished after > restarting computer. There were about 4 weeks of e-mail in there. > > Other folders do not seem to be affected. > > I looked in theOutlook Expressfolder on my hard drive, and the Inbox file > at this address: > > C:\WINDOWS\Application > Data\Identities\{9226D728-E116-11DA-8D61-00045A5FABE0}\Microsoft\OutlookExpress > > was down to something like 130 KB, containing just a lot of unreadable code. > > I normally move Inbox contents to other folders regularly to keep Inbox from > getting too large. > > I've never seen anything like this. The contents of a huge file simply > vanishing. Hi, I know a tool ,some friends suggest me use it to repair outlook express, if the dbx file is corrupt , i don't know whether it can work, but I think you can have a try! http://www.datanumen.com/aoer/ Alen
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