Guest Jim Posted April 3, 2008 Posted April 3, 2008 I have been having problem with Desktop icons when using the arrange icons menu selection. The icons become misaligned on left side of the screen even though the name, type, size and date are in order the icons themselves are in disarray. There are two users with personalized desktop settings. If I set the display properties dialogue on the effects tab with large icons checked, this will straighten out the misaligned icons. If I switch back to small icons the correction will continue to this setting up to the point that I use the arrange icon or line up icon on the application menu. This becomes tiresome when working. Any idea as to what is wrong with this feature?
Guest MEB Posted April 4, 2008 Posted April 4, 2008 Re: Desktop Icons puzzle "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message news:%23ceQDydlIHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... | I have been having problem with Desktop icons when using the arrange icons | menu selection. The icons become misaligned on left side of the screen even | though the name, type, size and date are in order the icons themselves are | in disarray. There are two users with personalized desktop settings. | | If I set the display properties dialogue on the effects tab with large icons | checked, this will straighten out the misaligned icons. If I switch back to | small icons the correction will continue to this setting up to the point | that I use the arrange icon or line up icon on the application menu. This | becomes tiresome when working. | | Any idea as to what is wrong with this feature? | A few things: Are you using the logoff {user} function rather than a restart>logon? Did you try deleting the Icon cache and letting it rebuild after placing the Icons in the order you wish? Have you installed any programs which *protect* the registry and/or other Windows areas? Are you sure you don't have other Icons below [or on top off] the ones you are moving/arranging? There are several tools available that can save specific Icon placements [generally {e.g., 1024x768} or by named desktop]. If you would like to try one out, look for WinTidy. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com -- _________
Guest Jim Posted April 4, 2008 Posted April 4, 2008 Re: Desktop Icons puzzle In response to your questions. 1. logon/logoff user and at end of day shutdown. The restart/reboot only when needed or requested. 2. I don't know where the icon cache is located. I have used disk cleanup utility and ccleaner and manually in msiev.6 browser. 3. yes; spysweeper and avast and ccleaner does a registry scan also. 4. no; this is not the problem. 5. desktop is set at 1024x768 I am not looking for a quick fix program. This is a result of not having some check in password/user profile enabled or a display properties quirk/bug. Also, this is only happening on my desktop, the other user is not having this problem. Both are set the same privileges though. "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:%23P0ZQtelIHA.5956@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > > "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message > news:%23ceQDydlIHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > | I have been having problem with Desktop icons when using the arrange icons > | menu selection. The icons become misaligned on left side of the screen > even > | though the name, type, size and date are in order the icons themselves are > | in disarray. There are two users with personalized desktop settings. > | > | If I set the display properties dialogue on the effects tab with large > icons > | checked, this will straighten out the misaligned icons. If I switch back > to > | small icons the correction will continue to this setting up to the point > | that I use the arrange icon or line up icon on the application menu. This > | becomes tiresome when working. > | > | Any idea as to what is wrong with this feature? > | > > A few things: > > Are you using the logoff {user} function rather than a restart>logon? > > Did you try deleting the Icon cache and letting it rebuild after placing > the Icons in the order you wish? > > Have you installed any programs which *protect* the registry and/or other > Windows areas? > > Are you sure you don't have other Icons below [or on top off] the ones you > are moving/arranging? > > There are several tools available that can save specific Icon placements > [generally {e.g., 1024x768} or by named desktop]. > > If you would like to try one out, look for WinTidy. > > -- > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > -- > _________ > > >
Guest MEB Posted April 4, 2008 Posted April 4, 2008 Re: Desktop Icons puzzle "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message news:OvAUXfflIHA.5084@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... | In response to your questions. Those were preliminary questions, to help define potentials. | 1. logon/logoff user and at end of day shutdown. The restart/reboot only | when needed or requested. | 2. I don't know where the icon cache is located. I have used disk | cleanup utility and ccleaner and manually in msiev.6 browser. The Icon cache is located in the main Windows directory. It is named ShellIconCache, though you must have set your viewing to allow system, and hidden files to be viewed. Between this, and several individual settings including .hht, swap file, registry entries, and various programs you may have installed, can potentially produce the effect you are encountering. | 3. yes; spysweeper and avast and ccleaner does a registry scan also. | 4. no; this is not the problem. | 5. desktop is set at 1024x768 | I am not looking for a quick fix program. This is a result of not having | some check in password/user profile enabled or a display properties | quirk/bug. Also, this is only happening on my desktop, the other user is not | having this problem. Both are set the same privileges though. It may be that your personal desktop settings, saved in the registry {and hht files if View as Web Page is enabled}, are NOT being properly updated, hence my questions related to registry protection/monitoring tools. Some Anti-Virus, anti-SpyWare, tweaking, and other like tools/programs now include protection scemes for HOSTS, system files, the registry, and other attempts to avoid potential corruption issues. These may interfer with user adjusted settings, particularly if these changes are made without a complete shutdown allowing the registry to refresh and memory and swap to clear/reset. You bring a good potential point, which deals with individual USER settings. Check the Control Panel > USERS, and ensure that users have the ability to save personal settings. The program I suggested isn't a quickfix. It provides additional ability to ensure the Icon/desktop settings can be immediately defined and saved, and either automatically reset upon misadjustment, or manually. Desktop corruption has always been an issue in Win9X when dealing with multiple users and desktop resolution changes {games, desktop windowing, image manipulation, etc.}, hence the programs that were produced to take care of this issue. Also: It might be advisable to check the size of the registry files, you MAY be having issues with parsing. Additionally, the particular video card/chip settings may need adjustment or refreshing. | | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | news:%23P0ZQtelIHA.5956@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... | > | > "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message | > news:%23ceQDydlIHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... | > | I have been having problem with Desktop icons when using the arrange | icons | > | menu selection. The icons become misaligned on left side of the screen | > even | > | though the name, type, size and date are in order the icons themselves | are | > | in disarray. There are two users with personalized desktop settings. | > | | > | If I set the display properties dialogue on the effects tab with large | > icons | > | checked, this will straighten out the misaligned icons. If I switch back | > to | > | small icons the correction will continue to this setting up to the point | > | that I use the arrange icon or line up icon on the application menu. | This | > | becomes tiresome when working. | > | | > | Any idea as to what is wrong with this feature? | > | | > | > A few things: | > | > Are you using the logoff {user} function rather than a restart>logon? | > | > Did you try deleting the Icon cache and letting it rebuild after placing | > the Icons in the order you wish? | > | > Have you installed any programs which *protect* the registry and/or other | > Windows areas? | > | > Are you sure you don't have other Icons below [or on top off] the ones | you | > are moving/arranging? | > | > There are several tools available that can save specific Icon placements | > [generally {e.g., 1024x768} or by named desktop]. | > | > If you would like to try one out, look for WinTidy. | > | > -- | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com -- _________
Guest Jim Posted April 4, 2008 Posted April 4, 2008 Re: Desktop Icons puzzle I searched for ShellIconCache with the "show all" setting and did not find this file/folder. Could this have another name? The personal settings are: Password>user profiles; radio button> users can customize... and check box> desktop icons and network... [ I did not have desktop icon and net...checked] I do now. And Users>change settings>check desktop and doc and radio button>create copies. [ I did not have the check box for desktop and doc menu checked] I do now, this may have been the problem. I think the reason I did not have these checked was there were additional shortcuts added to one desktop and a need for this on the other users desktop. A bit confusing, I guess it was the lowest level of personalized settings tweakable. Spysweeper does have a hostfile protect enabled. I am not certain where to check the registry settings for the parsing question on size. *Another problem I have noted recently is that when switching users at log on/off, the widows explorer navigation bar sometimes loses the icons in the tree and the quick launch tool bar also loses the icons. A reboot of the system usually recovers this back to the normal. "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:uIX%23NznlIHA.5088@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > > "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message > news:OvAUXfflIHA.5084@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > | In response to your questions. > > Those were preliminary questions, to help define potentials. > > | 1. logon/logoff user and at end of day shutdown. The restart/reboot > only > | when needed or requested. > | 2. I don't know where the icon cache is located. I have used disk > | cleanup utility and ccleaner and manually in msiev.6 browser. > > The Icon cache is located in the main Windows directory. It is named > ShellIconCache, though you must have set your viewing to allow system, and > hidden files to be viewed. Between this, and several individual settings > including .hht, swap file, registry entries, and various programs you may > have installed, can potentially produce the effect you are encountering. > > > | 3. yes; spysweeper and avast and ccleaner does a registry scan also. > | 4. no; this is not the problem. > | 5. desktop is set at 1024x768 > | I am not looking for a quick fix program. This is a result of not having > | some check in password/user profile enabled or a display properties > | quirk/bug. Also, this is only happening on my desktop, the other user is > not > | having this problem. Both are set the same privileges though. > > It may be that your personal desktop settings, saved in the registry {and > hht files if View as Web Page is enabled}, are NOT being properly updated, > hence my questions related to registry protection/monitoring tools. Some > Anti-Virus, anti-SpyWare, tweaking, and other like tools/programs now > include protection scemes for HOSTS, system files, the registry, and other > attempts to avoid potential corruption issues. These may interfer with user > adjusted settings, particularly if these changes are made without a complete > shutdown allowing the registry to refresh and memory and swap to > clear/reset. > > You bring a good potential point, which deals with individual USER > settings. Check the Control Panel > USERS, and ensure that users have the > ability to save personal settings. > > The program I suggested isn't a quickfix. It provides additional ability to > ensure the Icon/desktop settings can be immediately defined and saved, and > either automatically reset upon misadjustment, or manually. Desktop > corruption has always been an issue in Win9X when dealing with multiple > users and desktop resolution changes {games, desktop windowing, image > manipulation, etc.}, hence the programs that were produced to take care of > this issue. > > Also: > It might be advisable to check the size of the registry files, you MAY be > having issues with parsing. Additionally, the particular video card/chip > settings may need adjustment or refreshing. > > | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message > | news:%23P0ZQtelIHA.5956@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > | > > | > "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message > | > news:%23ceQDydlIHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > | > | I have been having problem with Desktop icons when using the arrange > | icons > | > | menu selection. The icons become misaligned on left side of the screen > | > even > | > | though the name, type, size and date are in order the icons themselves > | are > | > | in disarray. There are two users with personalized desktop settings. > | > | > | > | If I set the display properties dialogue on the effects tab with large > | > icons > | > | checked, this will straighten out the misaligned icons. If I switch > back > | > to > | > | small icons the correction will continue to this setting up to the > point > | > | that I use the arrange icon or line up icon on the application menu. > | This > | > | becomes tiresome when working. > | > | > | > | Any idea as to what is wrong with this feature? > | > | > | > > | > A few things: > | > > | > Are you using the logoff {user} function rather than a restart>logon? > | > > | > Did you try deleting the Icon cache and letting it rebuild after > placing > | > the Icons in the order you wish? > | > > | > Have you installed any programs which *protect* the registry and/or > other > | > Windows areas? > | > > | > Are you sure you don't have other Icons below [or on top off] the ones > | you > | > are moving/arranging? > | > > | > There are several tools available that can save specific Icon > placements > | > [generally {e.g., 1024x768} or by named desktop]. > | > > | > If you would like to try one out, look for WinTidy. > | > > | > -- > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > > -- > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > -- > _________ > > >
Guest Bill in Co. Posted April 4, 2008 Posted April 4, 2008 Re: Desktop Icons puzzle It may be a hidden file. Do you have show hidden files enabled? Jim wrote: > I searched for ShellIconCache with the "show all" setting and did not find > this file/folder. Could this have another name? > > The personal settings are: Password>user profiles; radio button> users can > customize... and check box> desktop icons and network... [ I did not have > desktop icon and net...checked] I do now. And Users>change settings>check > desktop and doc and radio button>create copies. [ I did not have the check > box for desktop and doc menu checked] I do now, this may have been the > problem. I think the reason I did not have these checked was there were > additional shortcuts added to one desktop and a need for this on the other > users desktop. A bit confusing, I guess it was the lowest level of > personalized settings tweakable. > > Spysweeper does have a hostfile protect enabled. > > I am not certain where to check the registry settings for the parsing > question on size. > > *Another problem I have noted recently is that when switching users at log > on/off, the widows explorer navigation bar sometimes loses the icons in > the > tree and the quick launch tool bar also loses the icons. A reboot of the > system usually recovers this back to the normal. > > "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:uIX%23NznlIHA.5088@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >> >> "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message >> news:OvAUXfflIHA.5084@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>> In response to your questions. >> >> Those were preliminary questions, to help define potentials. >> >>> 1. logon/logoff user and at end of day shutdown. The restart/reboot >>> only >>> when needed or requested. >>> 2. I don't know where the icon cache is located. I have used disk >>> cleanup utility and ccleaner and manually in msiev.6 browser. >> >> The Icon cache is located in the main Windows directory. It is named >> ShellIconCache, though you must have set your viewing to allow system, >> and >> hidden files to be viewed. Between this, and several individual settings >> including .hht, swap file, registry entries, and various programs you may >> have installed, can potentially produce the effect you are encountering. >> >> >>> 3. yes; spysweeper and avast and ccleaner does a registry scan also. >>> 4. no; this is not the problem. >>> 5. desktop is set at 1024x768 >>> I am not looking for a quick fix program. This is a result of not having >>> some check in password/user profile enabled or a display properties >>> quirk/bug. Also, this is only happening on my desktop, the other user is >>> not >>> having this problem. Both are set the same privileges though. >> >> It may be that your personal desktop settings, saved in the registry >> {and >> hht files if View as Web Page is enabled}, are NOT being properly >> updated, >> hence my questions related to registry protection/monitoring tools. Some >> Anti-Virus, anti-SpyWare, tweaking, and other like tools/programs now >> include protection scemes for HOSTS, system files, the registry, and >> other >> attempts to avoid potential corruption issues. These may interfer with >> user >> adjusted settings, particularly if these changes are made without a >> complete >> shutdown allowing the registry to refresh and memory and swap to >> clear/reset. >> >> You bring a good potential point, which deals with individual USER >> settings. Check the Control Panel > USERS, and ensure that users have the >> ability to save personal settings. >> >> The program I suggested isn't a quickfix. It provides additional ability >> to >> ensure the Icon/desktop settings can be immediately defined and saved, >> and >> either automatically reset upon misadjustment, or manually. Desktop >> corruption has always been an issue in Win9X when dealing with multiple >> users and desktop resolution changes {games, desktop windowing, image >> manipulation, etc.}, hence the programs that were produced to take care >> of >> this issue. >> >> Also: >> It might be advisable to check the size of the registry files, you MAY >> be >> having issues with parsing. Additionally, the particular video card/chip >> settings may need adjustment or refreshing. >> >>> >>> "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:%23P0ZQtelIHA.5956@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>>> >>>> "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message >>>> news:%23ceQDydlIHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>>> I have been having problem with Desktop icons when using the arrange >>>>> icons >>>>> menu selection. The icons become misaligned on left side of the screen >>>>> even though the name, type, size and date are in order the icons >>>>> themselves are in disarray. There are two users with personalized >>>>> desktop >>>>> settings. >>>>> >>>>> If I set the display properties dialogue on the effects tab with large >>>>> icons checked, this will straighten out the misaligned icons. If I >>>>> switch >>>>> back to small icons the correction will continue to this setting up to >>>>> the point that I use the arrange icon or line up icon on the >>>>> application >>>>> menu. This becomes tiresome when working. >>>>> >>>>> Any idea as to what is wrong with this feature? >>>>> >>>> >>>> A few things: >>>> >>>> Are you using the logoff {user} function rather than a restart>logon? >>>> >>>> Did you try deleting the Icon cache and letting it rebuild after >>>> placing >>>> the Icons in the order you wish? >>>> >>>> Have you installed any programs which *protect* the registry and/or >>>> other >>>> Windows areas? >>>> >>>> Are you sure you don't have other Icons below [or on top off] the ones >>>> you >>>> are moving/arranging? >>>> >>>> There are several tools available that can save specific Icon >>>> placements >>>> [generally {e.g., 1024x768} or by named desktop]. >>>> >>>> If you would like to try one out, look for WinTidy. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com >> >> -- >> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com >> -- >> _________
Guest Jim Posted April 4, 2008 Posted April 4, 2008 Re: Desktop Icons puzzle yes, "show all" I meant that setting. > It may be a hidden file. Do you have show hidden files enabled?
Guest Bill in Co. Posted April 4, 2008 Posted April 4, 2008 Re: Desktop Icons puzzle Instead of relying on the Find command, did you look for it in windows explorer directly? I think its located in the c:\windows folder (or maybe it was c:\windows\system, but I don't think so) Normally that file gets rebuilt if deleted, although it may take a couple of reboots (or better yet, turn the computer off, and then on again), to do it. Jim wrote: > yes, "show all" I meant that setting. > >> It may be a hidden file. Do you have show hidden files enabled?
Guest Jim Posted April 4, 2008 Posted April 4, 2008 Re: Desktop Icons puzzle yes, I found it this time. I guess I was looking for a folder. When I open this file, what should I open with...notepad? "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:uzk2FrplIHA.5820@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > Instead of relying on the Find command, did you look for it in windows > explorer directly? > > I think its located in the c:\windows folder (or maybe it was > c:\windows\system, but I don't think so) > > Normally that file gets rebuilt if deleted, although it may take a couple of > reboots (or better yet, turn the computer off, and then on again), to do it. > > Jim wrote: > > yes, "show all" I meant that setting. > > > >> It may be a hidden file. Do you have show hidden files enabled? > >
Guest MEB Posted April 4, 2008 Posted April 4, 2008 Re: Desktop Icons puzzle No, that is its name, and it is located where I indicated, in the main Windows folder/directory. Please re-read the suggestions. IF as you indicate, you changed the USER settings, that will help to keep your own settings. However, as previously indicated, this issue may crop up in the future, so get one of the tools and negate the issue. Registry parsing/registry size is found by looking at the sizes of USER.DAT and SYSTEM.DAT in the main Windows folder via Explorer. But you MUST have Hide file extensions for known file types [unchecked], Show All Files, {Hidden files} [checked] properly set to view all the files. Might also want to check Show Attributes so you can see what the files are, e.g., hidden/system/read only/archive. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com -- _________ "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message news:eca3cHplIHA.3888@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... | I searched for ShellIconCache with the "show all" setting and did not find | this file/folder. Could this have another name? | | The personal settings are: Password>user profiles; radio button> users can | customize... and check box> desktop icons and network... [ I did not have | desktop icon and net...checked] I do now. And Users>change settings>check | desktop and doc and radio button>create copies. [ I did not have the check | box for desktop and doc menu checked] I do now, this may have been the | problem. I think the reason I did not have these checked was there were | additional shortcuts added to one desktop and a need for this on the other | users desktop. A bit confusing, I guess it was the lowest level of | personalized settings tweakable. | | Spysweeper does have a hostfile protect enabled. | | I am not certain where to check the registry settings for the parsing | question on size. | | *Another problem I have noted recently is that when switching users at log | on/off, the widows explorer navigation bar sometimes loses the icons in the | tree and the quick launch tool bar also loses the icons. A reboot of the | system usually recovers this back to the normal. | | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | news:uIX%23NznlIHA.5088@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... | > | > "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message | > news:OvAUXfflIHA.5084@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... | > | In response to your questions. | > | > Those were preliminary questions, to help define potentials. | > | > | 1. logon/logoff user and at end of day shutdown. The restart/reboot | > only | > | when needed or requested. | > | 2. I don't know where the icon cache is located. I have used disk | > | cleanup utility and ccleaner and manually in msiev.6 browser. | > | > The Icon cache is located in the main Windows directory. It is named | > ShellIconCache, though you must have set your viewing to allow system, and | > hidden files to be viewed. Between this, and several individual settings | > including .hht, swap file, registry entries, and various programs you may | > have installed, can potentially produce the effect you are encountering. | > | > | > | 3. yes; spysweeper and avast and ccleaner does a registry scan also. | > | 4. no; this is not the problem. | > | 5. desktop is set at 1024x768 | > | I am not looking for a quick fix program. This is a result of not having | > | some check in password/user profile enabled or a display properties | > | quirk/bug. Also, this is only happening on my desktop, the other user is | > not | > | having this problem. Both are set the same privileges though. | > | > It may be that your personal desktop settings, saved in the registry {and | > hht files if View as Web Page is enabled}, are NOT being properly updated, | > hence my questions related to registry protection/monitoring tools. Some | > Anti-Virus, anti-SpyWare, tweaking, and other like tools/programs now | > include protection scemes for HOSTS, system files, the registry, and other | > attempts to avoid potential corruption issues. These may interfer with | user | > adjusted settings, particularly if these changes are made without a | complete | > shutdown allowing the registry to refresh and memory and swap to | > clear/reset. | > | > You bring a good potential point, which deals with individual USER | > settings. Check the Control Panel > USERS, and ensure that users have the | > ability to save personal settings. | > | > The program I suggested isn't a quickfix. It provides additional ability | to | > ensure the Icon/desktop settings can be immediately defined and saved, and | > either automatically reset upon misadjustment, or manually. Desktop | > corruption has always been an issue in Win9X when dealing with multiple | > users and desktop resolution changes {games, desktop windowing, image | > manipulation, etc.}, hence the programs that were produced to take care of | > this issue. | > | > Also: | > It might be advisable to check the size of the registry files, you MAY be | > having issues with parsing. Additionally, the particular video card/chip | > settings may need adjustment or refreshing. | > | > | | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | > | news:%23P0ZQtelIHA.5956@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... | > | > | > | > "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message | > | > news:%23ceQDydlIHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... | > | > | I have been having problem with Desktop icons when using the arrange | > | icons | > | > | menu selection. The icons become misaligned on left side of the | screen | > | > even | > | > | though the name, type, size and date are in order the icons | themselves | > | are | > | > | in disarray. There are two users with personalized desktop settings. | > | > | | > | > | If I set the display properties dialogue on the effects tab with | large | > | > icons | > | > | checked, this will straighten out the misaligned icons. If I switch | > back | > | > to | > | > | small icons the correction will continue to this setting up to the | > point | > | > | that I use the arrange icon or line up icon on the application menu. | > | This | > | > | becomes tiresome when working. | > | > | | > | > | Any idea as to what is wrong with this feature? | > | > | | > | > | > | > A few things: | > | > | > | > Are you using the logoff {user} function rather than a restart>logon? | > | > | > | > Did you try deleting the Icon cache and letting it rebuild after | > placing | > | > the Icons in the order you wish? | > | > | > | > Have you installed any programs which *protect* the registry and/or | > other | > | > Windows areas? | > | > | > | > Are you sure you don't have other Icons below [or on top off] the | ones | > | you | > | > are moving/arranging? | > | > | > | > There are several tools available that can save specific Icon | > placements | > | > [generally {e.g., 1024x768} or by named desktop]. | > | > | > | > If you would like to try one out, look for WinTidy. | > | > | > | > -- | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | > | > -- | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | > -- | > _________ | > | > | > | |
Guest Bill in Co. Posted April 4, 2008 Posted April 4, 2008 Re: Desktop Icons puzzle You don't do anything with it (nor open it). It's supposed to be there. (unless you think its corrupted, or giving you some weird desktop icon problems, in which case you can delete it, and it will be rebuilt, as I mentioned in the other post) Jim wrote: > yes, I found it this time. I guess I was looking for a folder. When I open > this file, what should I open with...notepad? > > "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message > news:uzk2FrplIHA.5820@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> Instead of relying on the Find command, did you look for it in windows >> explorer directly? >> >> I think its located in the c:\windows folder (or maybe it was >> c:\windows\system, but I don't think so) >> >> Normally that file gets rebuilt if deleted, although it may take a couple >> of >> reboots (or better yet, turn the computer off, and then on again), to do >> it. >> >> Jim wrote: >>> yes, "show all" I meant that setting. >>> >>>> It may be a hidden file. Do you have show hidden files enabled?
Guest Jim Posted April 4, 2008 Posted April 4, 2008 Re: Desktop Icons puzzle I found the file, I am having problem in the open with...dialogue box with explorer and I keep receiving a file download protection box that when I ask it to open it just DL and comes back with the same DL protection box. "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:%23WGrU2plIHA.3888@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > No, that is its name, and it is located where I indicated, in the main > Windows folder/directory. Please re-read the suggestions. > > IF as you indicate, you changed the USER settings, that will help to keep > your own settings. However, as previously indicated, this issue may crop up > in the future, so get one of the tools and negate the issue. > > Registry parsing/registry size is found by looking at the sizes of USER.DAT > and SYSTEM.DAT in the main Windows folder via Explorer. But you MUST have > Hide file extensions for known file types [unchecked], Show All Files, > {Hidden files} [checked] properly set to view all the files. Might also want > to check Show Attributes so you can see what the files are, e.g., > hidden/system/read only/archive. > > -- > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > -- > _________ > > "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message > news:eca3cHplIHA.3888@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > | I searched for ShellIconCache with the "show all" setting and did not find > | this file/folder. Could this have another name? > | > | The personal settings are: Password>user profiles; radio button> users can > | customize... and check box> desktop icons and network... [ I did not have > | desktop icon and net...checked] I do now. And Users>change settings>check > | desktop and doc and radio button>create copies. [ I did not have the check > | box for desktop and doc menu checked] I do now, this may have been the > | problem. I think the reason I did not have these checked was there were > | additional shortcuts added to one desktop and a need for this on the other > | users desktop. A bit confusing, I guess it was the lowest level of > | personalized settings tweakable. > | > | Spysweeper does have a hostfile protect enabled. > | > | I am not certain where to check the registry settings for the parsing > | question on size. > | > | *Another problem I have noted recently is that when switching users at log > | on/off, the widows explorer navigation bar sometimes loses the icons in > the > | tree and the quick launch tool bar also loses the icons. A reboot of the > | system usually recovers this back to the normal. > | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message > | news:uIX%23NznlIHA.5088@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > | > > | > "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message > | > news:OvAUXfflIHA.5084@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > | > | In response to your questions. > | > > | > Those were preliminary questions, to help define potentials. > | > > | > | 1. logon/logoff user and at end of day shutdown. The > restart/reboot > | > only > | > | when needed or requested. > | > | 2. I don't know where the icon cache is located. I have used disk > | > | cleanup utility and ccleaner and manually in msiev.6 browser. > | > > | > The Icon cache is located in the main Windows directory. It is named > | > ShellIconCache, though you must have set your viewing to allow system, > and > | > hidden files to be viewed. Between this, and several individual settings > | > including .hht, swap file, registry entries, and various programs you > may > | > have installed, can potentially produce the effect you are encountering. > | > > | > > | > | 3. yes; spysweeper and avast and ccleaner does a registry scan > also. > | > | 4. no; this is not the problem. > | > | 5. desktop is set at 1024x768 > | > | I am not looking for a quick fix program. This is a result of not > having > | > | some check in password/user profile enabled or a display properties > | > | quirk/bug. Also, this is only happening on my desktop, the other user > is > | > not > | > | having this problem. Both are set the same privileges though. > | > > | > It may be that your personal desktop settings, saved in the registry > {and > | > hht files if View as Web Page is enabled}, are NOT being properly > updated, > | > hence my questions related to registry protection/monitoring tools. Some > | > Anti-Virus, anti-SpyWare, tweaking, and other like tools/programs now > | > include protection scemes for HOSTS, system files, the registry, and > other > | > attempts to avoid potential corruption issues. These may interfer with > | user > | > adjusted settings, particularly if these changes are made without a > | complete > | > shutdown allowing the registry to refresh and memory and swap to > | > clear/reset. > | > > | > You bring a good potential point, which deals with individual USER > | > settings. Check the Control Panel > USERS, and ensure that users have > the > | > ability to save personal settings. > | > > | > The program I suggested isn't a quickfix. It provides additional > ability > | to > | > ensure the Icon/desktop settings can be immediately defined and saved, > and > | > either automatically reset upon misadjustment, or manually. Desktop > | > corruption has always been an issue in Win9X when dealing with multiple > | > users and desktop resolution changes {games, desktop windowing, image > | > manipulation, etc.}, hence the programs that were produced to take care > of > | > this issue. > | > > | > Also: > | > It might be advisable to check the size of the registry files, you MAY > be > | > having issues with parsing. Additionally, the particular video card/chip > | > settings may need adjustment or refreshing. > | > > | > | > | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message > | > | news:%23P0ZQtelIHA.5956@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > | > | > > | > | > "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message > | > | > news:%23ceQDydlIHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > | > | > | I have been having problem with Desktop icons when using the > arrange > | > | icons > | > | > | menu selection. The icons become misaligned on left side of the > | screen > | > | > even > | > | > | though the name, type, size and date are in order the icons > | themselves > | > | are > | > | > | in disarray. There are two users with personalized desktop > settings. > | > | > | > | > | > | If I set the display properties dialogue on the effects tab with > | large > | > | > icons > | > | > | checked, this will straighten out the misaligned icons. If I > switch > | > back > | > | > to > | > | > | small icons the correction will continue to this setting up to the > | > point > | > | > | that I use the arrange icon or line up icon on the application > menu. > | > | This > | > | > | becomes tiresome when working. > | > | > | > | > | > | Any idea as to what is wrong with this feature? > | > | > | > | > | > > | > | > A few things: > | > | > > | > | > Are you using the logoff {user} function rather than a > restart>logon? > | > | > > | > | > Did you try deleting the Icon cache and letting it rebuild after > | > placing > | > | > the Icons in the order you wish? > | > | > > | > | > Have you installed any programs which *protect* the registry and/or > | > other > | > | > Windows areas? > | > | > > | > | > Are you sure you don't have other Icons below [or on top off] the > | ones > | > | you > | > | > are moving/arranging? > | > | > > | > | > There are several tools available that can save specific Icon > | > placements > | > | > [generally {e.g., 1024x768} or by named desktop]. > | > | > > | > | > If you would like to try one out, look for WinTidy. > | > | > > | > | > -- > | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > | > > | > -- > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > | > -- > | > _________ > | > > | > > | > > | > | > >
Guest Bill in Co. Posted April 4, 2008 Posted April 4, 2008 Re: Desktop Icons puzzle Why are you trying to open it in the first place? You shouldn't be. It's a windows data file for the cache. Jim wrote: > I found the file, I am having problem in the open with...dialogue box with > explorer and I keep receiving a file download protection box that when I > ask > it to open it just DL and comes back with the same DL protection box. > > "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:%23WGrU2plIHA.3888@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >> No, that is its name, and it is located where I indicated, in the main >> Windows folder/directory. Please re-read the suggestions. >> >> IF as you indicate, you changed the USER settings, that will help to keep >> your own settings. However, as previously indicated, this issue may crop >> up >> in the future, so get one of the tools and negate the issue. >> >> Registry parsing/registry size is found by looking at the sizes of >> USER.DAT >> and SYSTEM.DAT in the main Windows folder via Explorer. But you MUST have >> Hide file extensions for known file types [unchecked], Show All Files, >> {Hidden files} [checked] properly set to view all the files. Might also >> want >> to check Show Attributes so you can see what the files are, e.g., >> hidden/system/read only/archive. >> >> -- >> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com >> -- >> _________ >> >> "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message >> news:eca3cHplIHA.3888@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>> I searched for ShellIconCache with the "show all" setting and did not >>> find >>> this file/folder. Could this have another name? >>> >>> The personal settings are: Password>user profiles; radio button> users >>> can >>> customize... and check box> desktop icons and network... [ I did not >>> have >>> desktop icon and net...checked] I do now. And Users>change >>> settings>check >>> desktop and doc and radio button>create copies. [ I did not have the >>> check >>> box for desktop and doc menu checked] I do now, this may have been the >>> problem. I think the reason I did not have these checked was there were >>> additional shortcuts added to one desktop and a need for this on the >>> other >>> users desktop. A bit confusing, I guess it was the lowest level of >>> personalized settings tweakable. >>> >>> Spysweeper does have a hostfile protect enabled. >>> >>> I am not certain where to check the registry settings for the parsing >>> question on size. >>> >>> *Another problem I have noted recently is that when switching users at >>> log >>> on/off, the widows explorer navigation bar sometimes loses the icons in >>> the >>> tree and the quick launch tool bar also loses the icons. A reboot of the >>> system usually recovers this back to the normal. >>> >>> "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:uIX%23NznlIHA.5088@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>> >>>> "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message >>>> news:OvAUXfflIHA.5084@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>> In response to your questions. >>>> >>>> Those were preliminary questions, to help define potentials. >>>> >>>>> 1. logon/logoff user and at end of day shutdown. The >>>>> restart/reboot >>>>> only when needed or requested. >>>>> 2. I don't know where the icon cache is located. I have used disk >>>>> cleanup utility and ccleaner and manually in msiev.6 browser. >>>> >>>> The Icon cache is located in the main Windows directory. It is named >>>> ShellIconCache, though you must have set your viewing to allow system, >>>> and >>>> hidden files to be viewed. Between this, and several individual >>>> settings >>>> including .hht, swap file, registry entries, and various programs you >>>> may >>>> have installed, can potentially produce the effect you are >>>> encountering. >>>> >>>> >>>>> 3. yes; spysweeper and avast and ccleaner does a registry scan >>>>> also. >>>>> 4. no; this is not the problem. >>>>> 5. desktop is set at 1024x768 >>>>> I am not looking for a quick fix program. This is a result of not >>>>> having >>>>> some check in password/user profile enabled or a display properties >>>>> quirk/bug. Also, this is only happening on my desktop, the other > user >> is >>>> not >>>>> having this problem. Both are set the same privileges though. >>>> >>>> It may be that your personal desktop settings, saved in the registry >>>> {and >>>> hht files if View as Web Page is enabled}, are NOT being properly >>>> updated, >>>> hence my questions related to registry protection/monitoring tools. >>>> Some >>>> Anti-Virus, anti-SpyWare, tweaking, and other like tools/programs now >>>> include protection scemes for HOSTS, system files, the registry, and >>>> other >>>> attempts to avoid potential corruption issues. These may interfer with >>>> user >>>> adjusted settings, particularly if these changes are made without a >>>> complete shutdown allowing the registry to refresh and memory and swap >>>> to >>>> clear/reset. >>>> >>>> You bring a good potential point, which deals with individual USER >>>> settings. Check the Control Panel > USERS, and ensure that users have >>>> the >>>> ability to save personal settings. >>>> >>>> The program I suggested isn't a quickfix. It provides additional >>>> ability >>>> to ensure the Icon/desktop settings can be immediately defined and >>>> saved, >>>> and either automatically reset upon misadjustment, or manually. Desktop >>>> corruption has always been an issue in Win9X when dealing with multiple >>>> users and desktop resolution changes {games, desktop windowing, image >>>> manipulation, etc.}, hence the programs that were produced to take care >>>> of >>>> this issue. >>>> >>>> Also: >>>> It might be advisable to check the size of the registry files, you MAY >>>> be >>>> having issues with parsing. Additionally, the particular video >>>> card/chip >>>> settings may need adjustment or refreshing. >>>> >>>>> >>>>> "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:%23P0ZQtelIHA.5956@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>>>>> >>>>>> "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message >>>>>> news:%23ceQDydlIHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>>>>> I have been having problem with Desktop icons when using the arrange >>>>>>> icons menu selection. The icons become misaligned on left side of >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> screen even though the name, type, size and date are in order the >>>>>>> icons >>>>>>> themselves are in disarray. There are two users with personalized >>>>>>> desktop settings. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If I set the display properties dialogue on the effects tab with >>>>>>> large >>>>>>> icons checked, this will straighten out the misaligned icons. If I >> switch >>>> back >>>>>> to >>>>>>> small icons the correction will continue to this setting up to the >>>>>>> point >>>>>>> that I use the arrange icon or line up icon on the application menu. >>>>>>> This becomes tiresome when working. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Any idea as to what is wrong with this feature? >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> A few things: >>>>>> >>>>>> Are you using the logoff {user} function rather than a >>>>>> restart>logon? >>>>>> >>>>>> Did you try deleting the Icon cache and letting it rebuild after >>>>>> placing >>>>>> the Icons in the order you wish? >>>>>> >>>>>> Have you installed any programs which *protect* the registry and/or >>>>>> other Windows areas? >>>>>> >>>>>> Are you sure you don't have other Icons below [or on top off] the >>>>>> ones >>>>>> you are moving/arranging? >>>>>> >>>>>> There are several tools available that can save specific Icon >>>>>> placements >>>>>> [generally {e.g., 1024x768} or by named desktop]. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you would like to try one out, look for WinTidy. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com >>>> >>>> -- >>>> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com >>>> -- >>>> _________
Guest Jim Posted April 4, 2008 Posted April 4, 2008 Re: Desktop Icons puzzle There are actually 2 files: shelli~1 and shelliconcache which in properties is called shelli~2 "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:O2e%23H9plIHA.5660@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > You don't do anything with it (nor open it). It's supposed to be there. > (unless you think its corrupted, or giving you some weird desktop icon > problems, in which case you can delete it, and it will be rebuilt, as I > mentioned in the other post) > > Jim wrote: > > yes, I found it this time. I guess I was looking for a folder. When I open > > this file, what should I open with...notepad? > > > > "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message > > news:uzk2FrplIHA.5820@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > >> Instead of relying on the Find command, did you look for it in windows > >> explorer directly? > >> > >> I think its located in the c:\windows folder (or maybe it was > >> c:\windows\system, but I don't think so) > >> > >> Normally that file gets rebuilt if deleted, although it may take a couple > >> of > >> reboots (or better yet, turn the computer off, and then on again), to do > >> it. > >> > >> Jim wrote: > >>> yes, "show all" I meant that setting. > >>> > >>>> It may be a hidden file. Do you have show hidden files enabled? > >
Guest Jim Posted April 4, 2008 Posted April 4, 2008 Re: Desktop Icons puzzle It was suggested by MEB to look at the registry size for a possble parsing error. uh...we have two cooks here in the kitchen. "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:e%23gNICqlIHA.2304@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > Why are you trying to open it in the first place? You shouldn't be. > It's a windows data file for the cache. > > Jim wrote: > > I found the file, I am having problem in the open with...dialogue box with > > explorer and I keep receiving a file download protection box that when I > > ask > > it to open it just DL and comes back with the same DL protection box. > > > > "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message > > news:%23WGrU2plIHA.3888@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > >> No, that is its name, and it is located where I indicated, in the main > >> Windows folder/directory. Please re-read the suggestions. > >> > >> IF as you indicate, you changed the USER settings, that will help to keep > >> your own settings. However, as previously indicated, this issue may crop > >> up > >> in the future, so get one of the tools and negate the issue. > >> > >> Registry parsing/registry size is found by looking at the sizes of > >> USER.DAT > >> and SYSTEM.DAT in the main Windows folder via Explorer. But you MUST have > >> Hide file extensions for known file types [unchecked], Show All Files, > >> {Hidden files} [checked] properly set to view all the files. Might also > >> want > >> to check Show Attributes so you can see what the files are, e.g., > >> hidden/system/read only/archive. > >> > >> -- > >> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > >> -- > >> _________ > >> > >> "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message > >> news:eca3cHplIHA.3888@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > >>> I searched for ShellIconCache with the "show all" setting and did not > >>> find > >>> this file/folder. Could this have another name? > >>> > >>> The personal settings are: Password>user profiles; radio button> users > >>> can > >>> customize... and check box> desktop icons and network... [ I did not > >>> have > >>> desktop icon and net...checked] I do now. And Users>change > >>> settings>check > >>> desktop and doc and radio button>create copies. [ I did not have the > >>> check > >>> box for desktop and doc menu checked] I do now, this may have been the > >>> problem. I think the reason I did not have these checked was there were > >>> additional shortcuts added to one desktop and a need for this on the > >>> other > >>> users desktop. A bit confusing, I guess it was the lowest level of > >>> personalized settings tweakable. > >>> > >>> Spysweeper does have a hostfile protect enabled. > >>> > >>> I am not certain where to check the registry settings for the parsing > >>> question on size. > >>> > >>> *Another problem I have noted recently is that when switching users at > >>> log > >>> on/off, the widows explorer navigation bar sometimes loses the icons in > >>> the > >>> tree and the quick launch tool bar also loses the icons. A reboot of the > >>> system usually recovers this back to the normal. > >>> > >>> "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message > >>> news:uIX%23NznlIHA.5088@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > >>>> > >>>> "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message > >>>> news:OvAUXfflIHA.5084@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > >>>>> In response to your questions. > >>>> > >>>> Those were preliminary questions, to help define potentials. > >>>> > >>>>> 1. logon/logoff user and at end of day shutdown. The > >>>>> restart/reboot > >>>>> only when needed or requested. > >>>>> 2. I don't know where the icon cache is located. I have used disk > >>>>> cleanup utility and ccleaner and manually in msiev.6 browser. > >>>> > >>>> The Icon cache is located in the main Windows directory. It is named > >>>> ShellIconCache, though you must have set your viewing to allow system, > >>>> and > >>>> hidden files to be viewed. Between this, and several individual > >>>> settings > >>>> including .hht, swap file, registry entries, and various programs you > >>>> may > >>>> have installed, can potentially produce the effect you are > >>>> encountering. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> 3. yes; spysweeper and avast and ccleaner does a registry scan > >>>>> also. > >>>>> 4. no; this is not the problem. > >>>>> 5. desktop is set at 1024x768 > >>>>> I am not looking for a quick fix program. This is a result of not > >>>>> having > >>>>> some check in password/user profile enabled or a display properties > >>>>> quirk/bug. Also, this is only happening on my desktop, the other > > user > >> is > >>>> not > >>>>> having this problem. Both are set the same privileges though. > >>>> > >>>> It may be that your personal desktop settings, saved in the registry > >>>> {and > >>>> hht files if View as Web Page is enabled}, are NOT being properly > >>>> updated, > >>>> hence my questions related to registry protection/monitoring tools. > >>>> Some > >>>> Anti-Virus, anti-SpyWare, tweaking, and other like tools/programs now > >>>> include protection scemes for HOSTS, system files, the registry, and > >>>> other > >>>> attempts to avoid potential corruption issues. These may interfer with > >>>> user > >>>> adjusted settings, particularly if these changes are made without a > >>>> complete shutdown allowing the registry to refresh and memory and swap > >>>> to > >>>> clear/reset. > >>>> > >>>> You bring a good potential point, which deals with individual USER > >>>> settings. Check the Control Panel > USERS, and ensure that users have > >>>> the > >>>> ability to save personal settings. > >>>> > >>>> The program I suggested isn't a quickfix. It provides additional > >>>> ability > >>>> to ensure the Icon/desktop settings can be immediately defined and > >>>> saved, > >>>> and either automatically reset upon misadjustment, or manually. Desktop > >>>> corruption has always been an issue in Win9X when dealing with multiple > >>>> users and desktop resolution changes {games, desktop windowing, image > >>>> manipulation, etc.}, hence the programs that were produced to take care > >>>> of > >>>> this issue. > >>>> > >>>> Also: > >>>> It might be advisable to check the size of the registry files, you MAY > >>>> be > >>>> having issues with parsing. Additionally, the particular video > >>>> card/chip > >>>> settings may need adjustment or refreshing. > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message > >>>>> news:%23P0ZQtelIHA.5956@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > >>>>>> > >>>>>> "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message > >>>>>> news:%23ceQDydlIHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > >>>>>>> I have been having problem with Desktop icons when using the arrange > >>>>>>> icons menu selection. The icons become misaligned on left side of > >>>>>>> the > >>>>>>> screen even though the name, type, size and date are in order the > >>>>>>> icons > >>>>>>> themselves are in disarray. There are two users with personalized > >>>>>>> desktop settings. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> If I set the display properties dialogue on the effects tab with > >>>>>>> large > >>>>>>> icons checked, this will straighten out the misaligned icons. If I > >> switch > >>>> back > >>>>>> to > >>>>>>> small icons the correction will continue to this setting up to the > >>>>>>> point > >>>>>>> that I use the arrange icon or line up icon on the application menu. > >>>>>>> This becomes tiresome when working. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Any idea as to what is wrong with this feature? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> A few things: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Are you using the logoff {user} function rather than a > >>>>>> restart>logon? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Did you try deleting the Icon cache and letting it rebuild after > >>>>>> placing > >>>>>> the Icons in the order you wish? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Have you installed any programs which *protect* the registry and/or > >>>>>> other Windows areas? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Are you sure you don't have other Icons below [or on top off] the > >>>>>> ones > >>>>>> you are moving/arranging? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> There are several tools available that can save specific Icon > >>>>>> placements > >>>>>> [generally {e.g., 1024x768} or by named desktop]. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> If you would like to try one out, look for WinTidy. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > >>>> -- > >>>> _________ > >
Guest Bill in Co. Posted April 4, 2008 Posted April 4, 2008 Re: Desktop Icons puzzle OK, I'll pass the baton over to MEB then. :-) Jim wrote: > It was suggested by MEB to look at the registry size for a possble parsing > error. > uh...we have two cooks here in the kitchen. > > "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message > news:e%23gNICqlIHA.2304@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> Why are you trying to open it in the first place? You shouldn't be. >> It's a windows data file for the cache. >> >> Jim wrote: >>> I found the file, I am having problem in the open with...dialogue box >>> with >>> explorer and I keep receiving a file download protection box that when I >>> ask >>> it to open it just DL and comes back with the same DL protection box. >>> >>> "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:%23WGrU2plIHA.3888@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>>> No, that is its name, and it is located where I indicated, in the main >>>> Windows folder/directory. Please re-read the suggestions. >>>> >>>> IF as you indicate, you changed the USER settings, that will help to >>>> keep >>>> your own settings. However, as previously indicated, this issue may >>>> crop >>>> up >>>> in the future, so get one of the tools and negate the issue. >>>> >>>> Registry parsing/registry size is found by looking at the sizes of >>>> USER.DAT >>>> and SYSTEM.DAT in the main Windows folder via Explorer. But you MUST >>>> have >>>> Hide file extensions for known file types [unchecked], Show All Files, >>>> {Hidden files} [checked] properly set to view all the files. Might also >>>> want >>>> to check Show Attributes so you can see what the files are, e.g., >>>> hidden/system/read only/archive. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com >>>> -- >>>> _________ >>>> >>>> "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message >>>> news:eca3cHplIHA.3888@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>>>> I searched for ShellIconCache with the "show all" setting and did not >>>>> find >>>>> this file/folder. Could this have another name? >>>>> >>>>> The personal settings are: Password>user profiles; radio button> users >>>>> can >>>>> customize... and check box> desktop icons and network... [ I did not >>>>> have >>>>> desktop icon and net...checked] I do now. And Users>change >>>>> settings>check >>>>> desktop and doc and radio button>create copies. [ I did not have the >>>>> check >>>>> box for desktop and doc menu checked] I do now, this may have been the >>>>> problem. I think the reason I did not have these checked was there >>>>> were >>>>> additional shortcuts added to one desktop and a need for this on the >>>>> other >>>>> users desktop. A bit confusing, I guess it was the lowest level of >>>>> personalized settings tweakable. >>>>> >>>>> Spysweeper does have a hostfile protect enabled. >>>>> >>>>> I am not certain where to check the registry settings for the parsing >>>>> question on size. >>>>> >>>>> *Another problem I have noted recently is that when switching users at >>>>> log >>>>> on/off, the widows explorer navigation bar sometimes loses the icons >>>>> in >>>>> the >>>>> tree and the quick launch tool bar also loses the icons. A reboot of >>>>> the >>>>> system usually recovers this back to the normal. >>>>> >>>>> "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:uIX%23NznlIHA.5088@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>>>> >>>>>> "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message >>>>>> news:OvAUXfflIHA.5084@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>>>> In response to your questions. >>>>>> >>>>>> Those were preliminary questions, to help define potentials. >>>>>> >>>>>>> 1. logon/logoff user and at end of day shutdown. The >>>>>>> restart/reboot >>>>>>> only when needed or requested. >>>>>>> 2. I don't know where the icon cache is located. I have used >>>>>>> disk >>>>>>> cleanup utility and ccleaner and manually in msiev.6 browser. >>>>>> >>>>>> The Icon cache is located in the main Windows directory. It is >>>>>> named >>>>>> ShellIconCache, though you must have set your viewing to allow >>>>>> system, >>>>>> and >>>>>> hidden files to be viewed. Between this, and several individual >>>>>> settings >>>>>> including .hht, swap file, registry entries, and various programs you >>>>>> may >>>>>> have installed, can potentially produce the effect you are >>>>>> encountering. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> 3. yes; spysweeper and avast and ccleaner does a registry scan >>>>>>> also. >>>>>>> 4. no; this is not the problem. >>>>>>> 5. desktop is set at 1024x768 >>>>>>> I am not looking for a quick fix program. This is a result of not >>>>>>> having >>>>>>> some check in password/user profile enabled or a display properties >>>>>>> quirk/bug. Also, this is only happening on my desktop, the other >>> user >>>> is >>>>>> not >>>>>>> having this problem. Both are set the same privileges though. >>>>>> >>>>>> It may be that your personal desktop settings, saved in the registry >>>>>> {and >>>>>> hht files if View as Web Page is enabled}, are NOT being properly >>>>>> updated, >>>>>> hence my questions related to registry protection/monitoring tools. >>>>>> Some >>>>>> Anti-Virus, anti-SpyWare, tweaking, and other like tools/programs now >>>>>> include protection scemes for HOSTS, system files, the registry, and >>>>>> other >>>>>> attempts to avoid potential corruption issues. These may interfer >>>>>> with >>>>>> user >>>>>> adjusted settings, particularly if these changes are made without a >>>>>> complete shutdown allowing the registry to refresh and memory and >>>>>> swap >>>>>> to >>>>>> clear/reset. >>>>>> >>>>>> You bring a good potential point, which deals with individual USER >>>>>> settings. Check the Control Panel > USERS, and ensure that users have >>>>>> the >>>>>> ability to save personal settings. >>>>>> >>>>>> The program I suggested isn't a quickfix. It provides additional >>>>>> ability >>>>>> to ensure the Icon/desktop settings can be immediately defined and >>>>>> saved, >>>>>> and either automatically reset upon misadjustment, or manually. >>>>>> Desktop >>>>>> corruption has always been an issue in Win9X when dealing with >>>>>> multiple >>>>>> users and desktop resolution changes {games, desktop windowing, image >>>>>> manipulation, etc.}, hence the programs that were produced to take >>>>>> care >>>>>> of >>>>>> this issue. >>>>>> >>>>>> Also: >>>>>> It might be advisable to check the size of the registry files, you >>>>>> MAY >>>>>> be >>>>>> having issues with parsing. Additionally, the particular video >>>>>> card/chip >>>>>> settings may need adjustment or refreshing. >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:%23P0ZQtelIHA.5956@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:%23ceQDydlIHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>> I have been having problem with Desktop icons when using the >>>>>>>>> arrange >>>>>>>>> icons menu selection. The icons become misaligned on left side of >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> screen even though the name, type, size and date are in order the >>>>>>>>> icons >>>>>>>>> themselves are in disarray. There are two users with personalized >>>>>>>>> desktop settings. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If I set the display properties dialogue on the effects tab with >>>>>>>>> large >>>>>>>>> icons checked, this will straighten out the misaligned icons. If I >>>> switch >>>>>> back >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> small icons the correction will continue to this setting up to the >>>>>>>>> point >>>>>>>>> that I use the arrange icon or line up icon on the application >>>>>>>>> menu. >>>>>>>>> This becomes tiresome when working. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Any idea as to what is wrong with this feature? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> A few things: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Are you using the logoff {user} function rather than a >>>>>>>> restart>logon? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Did you try deleting the Icon cache and letting it rebuild after >>>>>>>> placing >>>>>>>> the Icons in the order you wish? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Have you installed any programs which *protect* the registry >>>>>>>> and/or >>>>>>>> other Windows areas? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Are you sure you don't have other Icons below [or on top off] the >>>>>>>> ones >>>>>>>> you are moving/arranging? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There are several tools available that can save specific Icon >>>>>>>> placements >>>>>>>> [generally {e.g., 1024x768} or by named desktop]. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If you would like to try one out, look for WinTidy. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com >>>>>> -- >>>>>> _________
Guest Jim Posted April 4, 2008 Posted April 4, 2008 Re: Desktop Icons puzzle That's ok. The more the better because you may see something that others miss. If you read the post from beginning you see what the problem is. Every time I use the [arrange icon] feature on the drop down application menu (right click) and choose an arrange format, the icons go to this order but are maligned on the left side of the screen. There are two users with personalized privileges and this only happens on my desktop. If I goto display properties effects tab and choose large icons and then arrange the desktop again it will straighten out. Then I must go back and click it back to small icons on the effect tab. It is a pain when working with file/folders and what not on the desktop. "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:eUE7PMqlIHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > OK, I'll pass the baton over to MEB then. :-) > > Jim wrote: > > It was suggested by MEB to look at the registry size for a possble parsing > > error. > > uh...we have two cooks here in the kitchen. > > > > "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message > > news:e%23gNICqlIHA.2304@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > >> Why are you trying to open it in the first place? You shouldn't be. > >> It's a windows data file for the cache. > >> > >> Jim wrote: > >>> I found the file, I am having problem in the open with...dialogue box > >>> with > >>> explorer and I keep receiving a file download protection box that when I > >>> ask > >>> it to open it just DL and comes back with the same DL protection box. > >>> > >>> "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message > >>> news:%23WGrU2plIHA.3888@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > >>>> No, that is its name, and it is located where I indicated, in the main > >>>> Windows folder/directory. Please re-read the suggestions. > >>>> > >>>> IF as you indicate, you changed the USER settings, that will help to > >>>> keep > >>>> your own settings. However, as previously indicated, this issue may > >>>> crop > >>>> up > >>>> in the future, so get one of the tools and negate the issue. > >>>> > >>>> Registry parsing/registry size is found by looking at the sizes of > >>>> USER.DAT > >>>> and SYSTEM.DAT in the main Windows folder via Explorer. But you MUST > >>>> have > >>>> Hide file extensions for known file types [unchecked], Show All Files, > >>>> {Hidden files} [checked] properly set to view all the files. Might also > >>>> want > >>>> to check Show Attributes so you can see what the files are, e.g., > >>>> hidden/system/read only/archive. > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > >>>> -- > >>>> _________ > >>>> > >>>> "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message > >>>> news:eca3cHplIHA.3888@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > >>>>> I searched for ShellIconCache with the "show all" setting and did not > >>>>> find > >>>>> this file/folder. Could this have another name? > >>>>> > >>>>> The personal settings are: Password>user profiles; radio button> users > >>>>> can > >>>>> customize... and check box> desktop icons and network... [ I did not > >>>>> have > >>>>> desktop icon and net...checked] I do now. And Users>change > >>>>> settings>check > >>>>> desktop and doc and radio button>create copies. [ I did not have the > >>>>> check > >>>>> box for desktop and doc menu checked] I do now, this may have been the > >>>>> problem. I think the reason I did not have these checked was there > >>>>> were > >>>>> additional shortcuts added to one desktop and a need for this on the > >>>>> other > >>>>> users desktop. A bit confusing, I guess it was the lowest level of > >>>>> personalized settings tweakable. > >>>>> > >>>>> Spysweeper does have a hostfile protect enabled. > >>>>> > >>>>> I am not certain where to check the registry settings for the parsing > >>>>> question on size. > >>>>> > >>>>> *Another problem I have noted recently is that when switching users at > >>>>> log > >>>>> on/off, the widows explorer navigation bar sometimes loses the icons > >>>>> in > >>>>> the > >>>>> tree and the quick launch tool bar also loses the icons. A reboot of > >>>>> the > >>>>> system usually recovers this back to the normal. > >>>>> > >>>>> "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message > >>>>> news:uIX%23NznlIHA.5088@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > >>>>>> > >>>>>> "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message > >>>>>> news:OvAUXfflIHA.5084@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > >>>>>>> In response to your questions. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Those were preliminary questions, to help define potentials. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> 1. logon/logoff user and at end of day shutdown. The > >>>>>>> restart/reboot > >>>>>>> only when needed or requested. > >>>>>>> 2. I don't know where the icon cache is located. I have used > >>>>>>> disk > >>>>>>> cleanup utility and ccleaner and manually in msiev.6 browser. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> The Icon cache is located in the main Windows directory. It is > >>>>>> named > >>>>>> ShellIconCache, though you must have set your viewing to allow > >>>>>> system, > >>>>>> and > >>>>>> hidden files to be viewed. Between this, and several individual > >>>>>> settings > >>>>>> including .hht, swap file, registry entries, and various programs you > >>>>>> may > >>>>>> have installed, can potentially produce the effect you are > >>>>>> encountering. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> 3. yes; spysweeper and avast and ccleaner does a registry scan > >>>>>>> also. > >>>>>>> 4. no; this is not the problem. > >>>>>>> 5. desktop is set at 1024x768 > >>>>>>> I am not looking for a quick fix program. This is a result of not > >>>>>>> having > >>>>>>> some check in password/user profile enabled or a display properties > >>>>>>> quirk/bug. Also, this is only happening on my desktop, the other > >>> user > >>>> is > >>>>>> not > >>>>>>> having this problem. Both are set the same privileges though. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> It may be that your personal desktop settings, saved in the registry > >>>>>> {and > >>>>>> hht files if View as Web Page is enabled}, are NOT being properly > >>>>>> updated, > >>>>>> hence my questions related to registry protection/monitoring tools. > >>>>>> Some > >>>>>> Anti-Virus, anti-SpyWare, tweaking, and other like tools/programs now > >>>>>> include protection scemes for HOSTS, system files, the registry, and > >>>>>> other > >>>>>> attempts to avoid potential corruption issues. These may interfer > >>>>>> with > >>>>>> user > >>>>>> adjusted settings, particularly if these changes are made without a > >>>>>> complete shutdown allowing the registry to refresh and memory and > >>>>>> swap > >>>>>> to > >>>>>> clear/reset. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> You bring a good potential point, which deals with individual USER > >>>>>> settings. Check the Control Panel > USERS, and ensure that users have > >>>>>> the > >>>>>> ability to save personal settings. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> The program I suggested isn't a quickfix. It provides additional > >>>>>> ability > >>>>>> to ensure the Icon/desktop settings can be immediately defined and > >>>>>> saved, > >>>>>> and either automatically reset upon misadjustment, or manually. > >>>>>> Desktop > >>>>>> corruption has always been an issue in Win9X when dealing with > >>>>>> multiple > >>>>>> users and desktop resolution changes {games, desktop windowing, image > >>>>>> manipulation, etc.}, hence the programs that were produced to take > >>>>>> care > >>>>>> of > >>>>>> this issue. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Also: > >>>>>> It might be advisable to check the size of the registry files, you > >>>>>> MAY > >>>>>> be > >>>>>> having issues with parsing. Additionally, the particular video > >>>>>> card/chip > >>>>>> settings may need adjustment or refreshing. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message > >>>>>>> news:%23P0ZQtelIHA.5956@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message > >>>>>>>> news:%23ceQDydlIHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > >>>>>>>>> I have been having problem with Desktop icons when using the > >>>>>>>>> arrange > >>>>>>>>> icons menu selection. The icons become misaligned on left side of > >>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>> screen even though the name, type, size and date are in order the > >>>>>>>>> icons > >>>>>>>>> themselves are in disarray. There are two users with personalized > >>>>>>>>> desktop settings. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> If I set the display properties dialogue on the effects tab with > >>>>>>>>> large > >>>>>>>>> icons checked, this will straighten out the misaligned icons. If I > >>>> switch > >>>>>> back > >>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>> small icons the correction will continue to this setting up to the > >>>>>>>>> point > >>>>>>>>> that I use the arrange icon or line up icon on the application > >>>>>>>>> menu. > >>>>>>>>> This becomes tiresome when working. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Any idea as to what is wrong with this feature? > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> A few things: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Are you using the logoff {user} function rather than a > >>>>>>>> restart>logon? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Did you try deleting the Icon cache and letting it rebuild after > >>>>>>>> placing > >>>>>>>> the Icons in the order you wish? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Have you installed any programs which *protect* the registry > >>>>>>>> and/or > >>>>>>>> other Windows areas? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Are you sure you don't have other Icons below [or on top off] the > >>>>>>>> ones > >>>>>>>> you are moving/arranging? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> There are several tools available that can save specific Icon > >>>>>>>> placements > >>>>>>>> [generally {e.g., 1024x768} or by named desktop]. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> If you would like to try one out, look for WinTidy. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> _________ > >
Guest Jim Posted April 5, 2008 Posted April 5, 2008 Re: Desktop Icons puzzle That small tweak in the Password user profile and User permissions have solved the problem! yippie! "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message news:%23ceQDydlIHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > I have been having problem with Desktop icons when using the arrange icons > menu selection. The icons become misaligned on left side of the screen even > though the name, type, size and date are in order the icons themselves are > in disarray. There are two users with personalized desktop settings. > > If I set the display properties dialogue on the effects tab with large icons > checked, this will straighten out the misaligned icons. If I switch back to > small icons the correction will continue to this setting up to the point > that I use the arrange icon or line up icon on the application menu. This > becomes tiresome when working. > > Any idea as to what is wrong with this feature? > >
Guest Bill in Co. Posted April 5, 2008 Posted April 5, 2008 Re: Desktop Icons puzzle The only thing I know for certain is more general than this (your specific problem). When I've run into some erratically appearing icon problems on the desktop (as in sluggish, or some being incorrect), it has often been a symptom of a bloated Shelliconcache file, and so I've deleted that Shelliconcache file, (and then it gets freshly rebuilt, with new icons) - and that's helped. I don't think you have much to lose by trying that. Just be sure to reboot a couple of times, and/or turn the computer off and then on again, to make sure the file gets rebuilt. Jim wrote: > That's ok. The more the better because you may see something that others > miss. If you read the post from beginning you see what the problem is. > Every > time I use the [arrange icon] feature on the drop down application menu > (right click) and choose an arrange format, the icons go to this order but > are maligned on the left side of the screen. There are two users with > personalized privileges and this only happens on my desktop. If I goto > display properties effects tab and choose large icons and then arrange the > desktop again it will straighten out. Then I must go back and click it > back > to small icons on the effect tab. It is a pain when working with > file/folders and what not on the desktop. > > "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message > news:eUE7PMqlIHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> OK, I'll pass the baton over to MEB then. :-) >> >> Jim wrote: >>> It was suggested by MEB to look at the registry size for a possble >>> parsing >>> error. >>> uh...we have two cooks here in the kitchen. >>> >>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message >>> news:e%23gNICqlIHA.2304@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>>> Why are you trying to open it in the first place? You shouldn't be. >>>> It's a windows data file for the cache. >>>> >>>> Jim wrote: >>>>> I found the file, I am having problem in the open with...dialogue box >>>>> with >>>>> explorer and I keep receiving a file download protection box that when >>>>> I >>>>> ask >>>>> it to open it just DL and comes back with the same DL protection box. >>>>> >>>>> "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:%23WGrU2plIHA.3888@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>>>>> No, that is its name, and it is located where I indicated, in the >>>>>> main >>>>>> Windows folder/directory. Please re-read the suggestions. >>>>>> >>>>>> IF as you indicate, you changed the USER settings, that will help to >>>>>> keep >>>>>> your own settings. However, as previously indicated, this issue may >>>>>> crop >>>>>> up >>>>>> in the future, so get one of the tools and negate the issue. >>>>>> >>>>>> Registry parsing/registry size is found by looking at the sizes of >>>>>> USER.DAT >>>>>> and SYSTEM.DAT in the main Windows folder via Explorer. But you MUST >>>>>> have >>>>>> Hide file extensions for known file types [unchecked], Show All >>>>>> Files, >>>>>> {Hidden files} [checked] properly set to view all the files. Might >>>>>> also >>>>>> want >>>>>> to check Show Attributes so you can see what the files are, e.g., >>>>>> hidden/system/read only/archive. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com >>>>>> -- >>>>>> _________ >>>>>> >>>>>> "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message >>>>>> news:eca3cHplIHA.3888@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>>>>>> I searched for ShellIconCache with the "show all" setting and did >>>>>>> not >>>>>>> find >>>>>>> this file/folder. Could this have another name? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The personal settings are: Password>user profiles; radio button> >>>>>>> users >>>>>>> can >>>>>>> customize... and check box> desktop icons and network... [ I did not >>>>>>> have >>>>>>> desktop icon and net...checked] I do now. And Users>change >>>>>>> settings>check >>>>>>> desktop and doc and radio button>create copies. [ I did not have the >>>>>>> check >>>>>>> box for desktop and doc menu checked] I do now, this may have been >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> problem. I think the reason I did not have these checked was there >>>>>>> were >>>>>>> additional shortcuts added to one desktop and a need for this on the >>>>>>> other >>>>>>> users desktop. A bit confusing, I guess it was the lowest level of >>>>>>> personalized settings tweakable. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Spysweeper does have a hostfile protect enabled. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am not certain where to check the registry settings for the >>>>>>> parsing >>>>>>> question on size. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Another problem I have noted recently is that when switching users >>>>>>> at >>>>>>> log >>>>>>> on/off, the widows explorer navigation bar sometimes loses the icons >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> tree and the quick launch tool bar also loses the icons. A reboot of >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> system usually recovers this back to the normal. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:uIX%23NznlIHA.5088@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:OvAUXfflIHA.5084@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>> In response to your questions. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Those were preliminary questions, to help define potentials. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 1. logon/logoff user and at end of day shutdown. The >>>>>>>>> restart/reboot >>>>>>>>> only when needed or requested. >>>>>>>>> 2. I don't know where the icon cache is located. I have used >>>>>>>>> disk >>>>>>>>> cleanup utility and ccleaner and manually in msiev.6 browser. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Icon cache is located in the main Windows directory. It is >>>>>>>> named >>>>>>>> ShellIconCache, though you must have set your viewing to allow >>>>>>>> system, >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> hidden files to be viewed. Between this, and several individual >>>>>>>> settings >>>>>>>> including .hht, swap file, registry entries, and various programs >>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>> may >>>>>>>> have installed, can potentially produce the effect you are >>>>>>>> encountering. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 3. yes; spysweeper and avast and ccleaner does a registry scan >>>>>>>>> also. >>>>>>>>> 4. no; this is not the problem. >>>>>>>>> 5. desktop is set at 1024x768 >>>>>>>>> I am not looking for a quick fix program. This is a result of not >>>>>>>>> having >>>>>>>>> some check in password/user profile enabled or a display >>>>>>>>> properties >>>>>>>>> quirk/bug. Also, this is only happening on my desktop, the other >>>>> user >>>>>> is >>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>> having this problem. Both are set the same privileges though. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It may be that your personal desktop settings, saved in the >>>>>>>> registry >>>>>>>> {and >>>>>>>> hht files if View as Web Page is enabled}, are NOT being properly >>>>>>>> updated, >>>>>>>> hence my questions related to registry protection/monitoring tools. >>>>>>>> Some >>>>>>>> Anti-Virus, anti-SpyWare, tweaking, and other like tools/programs >>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>> include protection scemes for HOSTS, system files, the registry, >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> other >>>>>>>> attempts to avoid potential corruption issues. These may interfer >>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>> user >>>>>>>> adjusted settings, particularly if these changes are made without a >>>>>>>> complete shutdown allowing the registry to refresh and memory and >>>>>>>> swap >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> clear/reset. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You bring a good potential point, which deals with individual USER >>>>>>>> settings. Check the Control Panel > USERS, and ensure that users >>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> ability to save personal settings. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The program I suggested isn't a quickfix. It provides additional >>>>>>>> ability >>>>>>>> to ensure the Icon/desktop settings can be immediately defined and >>>>>>>> saved, >>>>>>>> and either automatically reset upon misadjustment, or manually. >>>>>>>> Desktop >>>>>>>> corruption has always been an issue in Win9X when dealing with >>>>>>>> multiple >>>>>>>> users and desktop resolution changes {games, desktop windowing, >>>>>>>> image >>>>>>>> manipulation, etc.}, hence the programs that were produced to take >>>>>>>> care >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> this issue. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Also: >>>>>>>> It might be advisable to check the size of the registry files, you >>>>>>>> MAY >>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>> having issues with parsing. Additionally, the particular video >>>>>>>> card/chip >>>>>>>> settings may need adjustment or refreshing. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>> news:%23P0ZQtelIHA.5956@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>> news:%23ceQDydlIHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>> I have been having problem with Desktop icons when using the >>>>>>>>>>> arrange >>>>>>>>>>> icons menu selection. The icons become misaligned on left side >>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> screen even though the name, type, size and date are in order >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> icons >>>>>>>>>>> themselves are in disarray. There are two users with >>>>>>>>>>> personalized >>>>>>>>>>> desktop settings. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> If I set the display properties dialogue on the effects tab with >>>>>>>>>>> large >>>>>>>>>>> icons checked, this will straighten out the misaligned icons. If > I >>>>>> switch >>>>>>>> back >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> small icons the correction will continue to this setting up to >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> point >>>>>>>>>>> that I use the arrange icon or line up icon on the application >>>>>>>>>>> menu. >>>>>>>>>>> This becomes tiresome when working. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Any idea as to what is wrong with this feature? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> A few things: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Are you using the logoff {user} function rather than a >>>>>>>>>> restart>logon? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Did you try deleting the Icon cache and letting it rebuild after >>>>>>>>>> placing >>>>>>>>>> the Icons in the order you wish? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Have you installed any programs which *protect* the registry >>>>>>>>>> and/or >>>>>>>>>> other Windows areas? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Are you sure you don't have other Icons below [or on top off] >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> ones >>>>>>>>>> you are moving/arranging? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> There are several tools available that can save specific Icon >>>>>>>>>> placements >>>>>>>>>> [generally {e.g., 1024x768} or by named desktop]. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If you would like to try one out, look for WinTidy. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> _________
Guest Jim Posted April 5, 2008 Posted April 5, 2008 Re: Desktop Icons puzzle I will remember that technique and give it a try if this happens again. thanks, "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:uXFBcTslIHA.3512@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > The only thing I know for certain is more general than this (your specific > problem). > > When I've run into some erratically appearing icon problems on the desktop > (as in sluggish, or some being incorrect), it has often been a symptom of a > bloated Shelliconcache file, and so I've deleted that Shelliconcache file, > (and then it gets freshly rebuilt, with new icons) - and that's helped. I > don't think you have much to lose by trying that. Just be sure to reboot a > couple of times, and/or turn the computer off and then on again, to make > sure the file gets rebuilt. > > Jim wrote: > > That's ok. The more the better because you may see something that others > > miss. If you read the post from beginning you see what the problem is. > > Every > > time I use the [arrange icon] feature on the drop down application menu > > (right click) and choose an arrange format, the icons go to this order but > > are maligned on the left side of the screen. There are two users with > > personalized privileges and this only happens on my desktop. If I goto > > display properties effects tab and choose large icons and then arrange the > > desktop again it will straighten out. Then I must go back and click it > > back > > to small icons on the effect tab. It is a pain when working with > > file/folders and what not on the desktop. > > > > "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message > > news:eUE7PMqlIHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > >> OK, I'll pass the baton over to MEB then. :-) > >> > >> Jim wrote: > >>> It was suggested by MEB to look at the registry size for a possble > >>> parsing > >>> error. > >>> uh...we have two cooks here in the kitchen. > >>> > >>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message > >>> news:e%23gNICqlIHA.2304@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > >>>> Why are you trying to open it in the first place? You shouldn't be. > >>>> It's a windows data file for the cache. > >>>> > >>>> Jim wrote: > >>>>> I found the file, I am having problem in the open with...dialogue box > >>>>> with > >>>>> explorer and I keep receiving a file download protection box that when > >>>>> I > >>>>> ask > >>>>> it to open it just DL and comes back with the same DL protection box. > >>>>> > >>>>> "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message > >>>>> news:%23WGrU2plIHA.3888@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > >>>>>> No, that is its name, and it is located where I indicated, in the > >>>>>> main > >>>>>> Windows folder/directory. Please re-read the suggestions. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> IF as you indicate, you changed the USER settings, that will help to > >>>>>> keep > >>>>>> your own settings. However, as previously indicated, this issue may > >>>>>> crop > >>>>>> up > >>>>>> in the future, so get one of the tools and negate the issue. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Registry parsing/registry size is found by looking at the sizes of > >>>>>> USER.DAT > >>>>>> and SYSTEM.DAT in the main Windows folder via Explorer. But you MUST > >>>>>> have > >>>>>> Hide file extensions for known file types [unchecked], Show All > >>>>>> Files, > >>>>>> {Hidden files} [checked] properly set to view all the files. Might > >>>>>> also > >>>>>> want > >>>>>> to check Show Attributes so you can see what the files are, e.g., > >>>>>> hidden/system/read only/archive. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> _________ > >>>>>> > >>>>>> "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message > >>>>>> news:eca3cHplIHA.3888@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > >>>>>>> I searched for ShellIconCache with the "show all" setting and did > >>>>>>> not > >>>>>>> find > >>>>>>> this file/folder. Could this have another name? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> The personal settings are: Password>user profiles; radio button> > >>>>>>> users > >>>>>>> can > >>>>>>> customize... and check box> desktop icons and network... [ I did not > >>>>>>> have > >>>>>>> desktop icon and net...checked] I do now. And Users>change > >>>>>>> settings>check > >>>>>>> desktop and doc and radio button>create copies. [ I did not have the > >>>>>>> check > >>>>>>> box for desktop and doc menu checked] I do now, this may have been > >>>>>>> the > >>>>>>> problem. I think the reason I did not have these checked was there > >>>>>>> were > >>>>>>> additional shortcuts added to one desktop and a need for this on the > >>>>>>> other > >>>>>>> users desktop. A bit confusing, I guess it was the lowest level of > >>>>>>> personalized settings tweakable. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Spysweeper does have a hostfile protect enabled. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I am not certain where to check the registry settings for the > >>>>>>> parsing > >>>>>>> question on size. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> *Another problem I have noted recently is that when switching users > >>>>>>> at > >>>>>>> log > >>>>>>> on/off, the widows explorer navigation bar sometimes loses the icons > >>>>>>> in > >>>>>>> the > >>>>>>> tree and the quick launch tool bar also loses the icons. A reboot of > >>>>>>> the > >>>>>>> system usually recovers this back to the normal. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message > >>>>>>> news:uIX%23NznlIHA.5088@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message > >>>>>>>> news:OvAUXfflIHA.5084@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > >>>>>>>>> In response to your questions. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Those were preliminary questions, to help define potentials. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> 1. logon/logoff user and at end of day shutdown. The > >>>>>>>>> restart/reboot > >>>>>>>>> only when needed or requested. > >>>>>>>>> 2. I don't know where the icon cache is located. I have used > >>>>>>>>> disk > >>>>>>>>> cleanup utility and ccleaner and manually in msiev.6 browser. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> The Icon cache is located in the main Windows directory. It is > >>>>>>>> named > >>>>>>>> ShellIconCache, though you must have set your viewing to allow > >>>>>>>> system, > >>>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>> hidden files to be viewed. Between this, and several individual > >>>>>>>> settings > >>>>>>>> including .hht, swap file, registry entries, and various programs > >>>>>>>> you > >>>>>>>> may > >>>>>>>> have installed, can potentially produce the effect you are > >>>>>>>> encountering. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> 3. yes; spysweeper and avast and ccleaner does a registry scan > >>>>>>>>> also. > >>>>>>>>> 4. no; this is not the problem. > >>>>>>>>> 5. desktop is set at 1024x768 > >>>>>>>>> I am not looking for a quick fix program. This is a result of not > >>>>>>>>> having > >>>>>>>>> some check in password/user profile enabled or a display > >>>>>>>>> properties > >>>>>>>>> quirk/bug. Also, this is only happening on my desktop, the other > >>>>> user > >>>>>> is > >>>>>>>> not > >>>>>>>>> having this problem. Both are set the same privileges though. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> It may be that your personal desktop settings, saved in the > >>>>>>>> registry > >>>>>>>> {and > >>>>>>>> hht files if View as Web Page is enabled}, are NOT being properly > >>>>>>>> updated, > >>>>>>>> hence my questions related to registry protection/monitoring tools. > >>>>>>>> Some > >>>>>>>> Anti-Virus, anti-SpyWare, tweaking, and other like tools/programs > >>>>>>>> now > >>>>>>>> include protection scemes for HOSTS, system files, the registry, > >>>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>> other > >>>>>>>> attempts to avoid potential corruption issues. These may interfer > >>>>>>>> with > >>>>>>>> user > >>>>>>>> adjusted settings, particularly if these changes are made without a > >>>>>>>> complete shutdown allowing the registry to refresh and memory and > >>>>>>>> swap > >>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>> clear/reset. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> You bring a good potential point, which deals with individual USER > >>>>>>>> settings. Check the Control Panel > USERS, and ensure that users > >>>>>>>> have > >>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>> ability to save personal settings. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> The program I suggested isn't a quickfix. It provides additional > >>>>>>>> ability > >>>>>>>> to ensure the Icon/desktop settings can be immediately defined and > >>>>>>>> saved, > >>>>>>>> and either automatically reset upon misadjustment, or manually. > >>>>>>>> Desktop > >>>>>>>> corruption has always been an issue in Win9X when dealing with > >>>>>>>> multiple > >>>>>>>> users and desktop resolution changes {games, desktop windowing, > >>>>>>>> image > >>>>>>>> manipulation, etc.}, hence the programs that were produced to take > >>>>>>>> care > >>>>>>>> of > >>>>>>>> this issue. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Also: > >>>>>>>> It might be advisable to check the size of the registry files, you > >>>>>>>> MAY > >>>>>>>> be > >>>>>>>> having issues with parsing. Additionally, the particular video > >>>>>>>> card/chip > >>>>>>>> settings may need adjustment or refreshing. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message > >>>>>>>>> news:%23P0ZQtelIHA.5956@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message > >>>>>>>>>> news:%23ceQDydlIHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > >>>>>>>>>>> I have been having problem with Desktop icons when using the > >>>>>>>>>>> arrange > >>>>>>>>>>> icons menu selection. The icons become misaligned on left side > >>>>>>>>>>> of > >>>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>> screen even though the name, type, size and date are in order > >>>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>> icons > >>>>>>>>>>> themselves are in disarray. There are two users with > >>>>>>>>>>> personalized > >>>>>>>>>>> desktop settings. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> If I set the display properties dialogue on the effects tab with > >>>>>>>>>>> large > >>>>>>>>>>> icons checked, this will straighten out the misaligned icons. If > > I > >>>>>> switch > >>>>>>>> back > >>>>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>>>> small icons the correction will continue to this setting up to > >>>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>> point > >>>>>>>>>>> that I use the arrange icon or line up icon on the application > >>>>>>>>>>> menu. > >>>>>>>>>>> This becomes tiresome when working. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Any idea as to what is wrong with this feature? > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> A few things: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Are you using the logoff {user} function rather than a > >>>>>>>>>> restart>logon? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Did you try deleting the Icon cache and letting it rebuild after > >>>>>>>>>> placing > >>>>>>>>>> the Icons in the order you wish? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Have you installed any programs which *protect* the registry > >>>>>>>>>> and/or > >>>>>>>>>> other Windows areas? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Are you sure you don't have other Icons below [or on top off] > >>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>> ones > >>>>>>>>>> you are moving/arranging? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> There are several tools available that can save specific Icon > >>>>>>>>>> placements > >>>>>>>>>> [generally {e.g., 1024x768} or by named desktop]. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> If you would like to try one out, look for WinTidy. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > >>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>> _________ > >
Guest MEB Posted April 5, 2008 Posted April 5, 2008 Re: Desktop Icons puzzle You have two USERS... delete the one that is physically named as I indicated and do as Bill has indicated regarding restarts.. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com -- _________ "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message news:uOv%23lGqlIHA.3780@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... | There are actually 2 files: shelli~1 and shelliconcache which in properties | is called shelli~2 | | "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message | news:O2e%23H9plIHA.5660@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... | > You don't do anything with it (nor open it). It's supposed to be there. | > (unless you think its corrupted, or giving you some weird desktop icon | > problems, in which case you can delete it, and it will be rebuilt, as I | > mentioned in the other post) | > | > Jim wrote: | > > yes, I found it this time. I guess I was looking for a folder. When I | open | > > this file, what should I open with...notepad? | > > | > > "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message | > > news:uzk2FrplIHA.5820@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... | > >> Instead of relying on the Find command, did you look for it in windows | > >> explorer directly? | > >> | > >> I think its located in the c:\windows folder (or maybe it was | > >> c:\windows\system, but I don't think so) | > >> | > >> Normally that file gets rebuilt if deleted, although it may take a | couple | > >> of | > >> reboots (or better yet, turn the computer off, and then on again), to | do | > >> it. | > >> | > >> Jim wrote: | > >>> yes, "show all" I meant that setting. | > >>> | > >>>> It may be a hidden file. Do you have show hidden files enabled? | > | > | |
Guest MEB Posted April 5, 2008 Posted April 5, 2008 Re: Desktop Icons puzzle Not a small tweak, but the one required to allow USERS individual settings... glad you got it sorted out. If it occurs again, the potentials will be as was previously suggested. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com -- _________ "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message news:eXnfERrlIHA.3512@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... | That small tweak in the Password user profile and User permissions have | solved the problem! | yippie! | | "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message | news:%23ceQDydlIHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... | > I have been having problem with Desktop icons when using the arrange icons | > menu selection. The icons become misaligned on left side of the screen | even | > though the name, type, size and date are in order the icons themselves are | > in disarray. There are two users with personalized desktop settings. | > | > If I set the display properties dialogue on the effects tab with large | icons | > checked, this will straighten out the misaligned icons. If I switch back | to | > small icons the correction will continue to this setting up to the point | > that I use the arrange icon or line up icon on the application menu. This | > becomes tiresome when working. | > | > Any idea as to what is wrong with this feature? | > | > | |
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