Guest dbaechtel Posted April 10, 2008 Posted April 10, 2008 :confused: Getting Thumped trying to Thunk. I have a Legacy 16-bit application that generates Lessons for Education. The Lessons generated need to run on school computers from Windows 98 through Windows XP. These Lessons also need to exchange information with remote servers using XMLHTTP. I have 32-bit DLLs that can do the data exchange using XMLHTTP tested out OK. I need to be able to exchange integer values, strings and status between the 16-bit Lessons and the 32-bit DLLs. The Legacy 16-bit Lessons can link with 16-bit DLLs. I have tested this and it works OK. But the 16-bit Lessons are not able to link to 32-bit DLLs directly. The plan is to build 16-bit DLLs that link with the 16-bit Lessons and then use flat thunks between the 16-bit DLLs and 32-bit DLLs to get the communication functions that are needed. I am using the methods described in KB154093 "How To Call 32-bit Code from 16-bit Code Under Windows 95, Windows 98, or Windows Millennium Edition" in building the 16-bit DLLs, thunking script and 32-bit DLLs. Quite a bit of information is missing. There does not seem to be any documentation on thunk.exe, the thunking compiler. There does not seem to be any documentation on the thunking script language. The formats for the integer and other variable types changed between the 16-bit and 32-bit DLLs. I am not sure what data format the thunk script is using in its declarations. I am using VC++ 1.52 to build the 16-bit DLLs. I am using VC++ 6.0 to build the 32-bit DLLs. I am using thunk.exe, rc.exe and ml.exe found in the Win98 DDK to build the flat thunk as instructed. I have scraped up enough information on the web to build the DLLs and the flat thunk. It compiles and links OK but any information received by the 16 bit DLL from the 32 bit DLL appears to be corrupted by the flat thunk. I can not send constants as int, WORD, DWORD, LONG or LPSTR from the 32 bit DLL to the 16 bit DLL. ALL values from the 32 bit DLL seem to be corrupted no matter the data type. I am not yet able to test data from the 16-bit DLL to the 32-bit DLL until I can get the correct data returned. I am trying very simple and straight forward tests. I am building and running these components on a Windows XP Professional system for testing. Does anyone know why this method described in the KB article does not work? Does anyone know how to exchange data between 16-bit DLLs and 32 Bit DLLs that will work on Win98 through WinXP systems? Does flat thunks as described not work on WinXP systems? Does anyone know where I can find documentation on the thunk.exe and thunking script? I greatly appreciate any assistance. -- Don Baechtel
Guest MEB Posted April 10, 2008 Posted April 10, 2008 Re: Getting Thumped trying to Thunk. You asked this in another forum, and were directed to MS TechNet/MSDN which was a good idea, however, give it a bit and someone will likely have a few more questions for you... such as: When compiling {on XP} did you allow for the differences in the two target environments? Did you post this in one of the public.vc and/or public.ddk forums? -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com -- _________ "dbaechtel" <dbaechtel@nospam.nospam> wrote in message news:FE851711-06C5-45A2-A30A-76C21608B9F0@microsoft.com... | :confused: Getting Thumped trying to Thunk. | | I have a Legacy 16-bit application that generates Lessons for Education. The | Lessons generated need to run on school computers from Windows 98 through | Windows XP. These Lessons also need to exchange information with remote | servers using XMLHTTP. I have 32-bit DLLs that can do the data exchange using | XMLHTTP tested out OK. I need to be able to exchange integer values, strings | and status between the 16-bit Lessons and the 32-bit DLLs. The Legacy 16-bit | Lessons can link with 16-bit DLLs. I have tested this and it works OK. But | the 16-bit Lessons are not able to link to 32-bit DLLs directly. | | The plan is to build 16-bit DLLs that link with the 16-bit Lessons and then | use flat thunks between the 16-bit DLLs and 32-bit DLLs to get the | communication functions that are needed. I am using the methods described in | KB154093 "How To Call 32-bit Code from 16-bit Code Under Windows 95, Windows | 98, or Windows Millennium Edition" in building the 16-bit DLLs, thunking | script and 32-bit DLLs. | | Quite a bit of information is missing. There does not seem to be any | documentation on thunk.exe, the thunking compiler. There does not seem to be | any documentation on the thunking script language. The formats for the | integer and other variable types changed between the 16-bit and 32-bit DLLs. | I am not sure what data format the thunk script is using in its declarations. | | I am using VC++ 1.52 to build the 16-bit DLLs. I am using VC++ 6.0 to build | the 32-bit DLLs. I am using thunk.exe, rc.exe and ml.exe found in the Win98 | DDK to build the flat thunk as instructed. I have scraped up enough | information on the web to build the DLLs and the flat thunk. It compiles and | links OK but any information received by the 16 bit DLL from the 32 bit DLL | appears to be corrupted by the flat thunk. I can not send constants as int, | WORD, DWORD, LONG or LPSTR from the 32 bit DLL to the 16 bit DLL. ALL values | from the 32 bit DLL seem to be corrupted no matter the data type. I am not | yet able to test data from the 16-bit DLL to the 32-bit DLL until I can get | the correct data returned. I am trying very simple and straight forward tests. | | I am building and running these components on a Windows XP Professional | system for testing. | | Does anyone know why this method described in the KB article does not work? | Does anyone know how to exchange data between 16-bit DLLs and 32 Bit DLLs | that will work on Win98 through WinXP systems? | Does flat thunks as described not work on WinXP systems? | Does anyone know where I can find documentation on the thunk.exe and | thunking script? | | I greatly appreciate any assistance. | | | | -- | Don Baechtel
Guest Don Posted April 10, 2008 Posted April 10, 2008 Re: Getting Thumped trying to Thunk. On Apr 10, 2:38 pm, "MEB" <meb@not h...@hotmail.com> wrote: > You asked this in another forum, and were directed to MS TechNet/MSDN which > was a good idea, however, give it a bit and someone will likely have a few > more questions for you... such as: > > When compiling {on XP} did you allow for the differences in the two target > environments? > What do you mean by "did you allow for the differences in the two target environments?" How do I do this? The flat thunk makes a conversion between the 16-bit and the 32-bit worlds. That's its job. What else do I have to do? Remember this application, 16-bit DLL and 32-bit DLL will all run on one machine and one OS. The OS may be anything from Win98 to WinXP.
Guest 98 Guy Posted April 11, 2008 Posted April 11, 2008 Re: Getting Thumped trying to Thunk. dbaechtel wrote: > I am building and running these components on a Windows XP > Professional system for testing. Have a look here: http://home.att.net/~raffles1/win32_faq.htm Note the following: "Thunking (in Windows) was designed to ease porting from 16 to 32 bit code by allowing 16 bit apps to call 32 bit DLLs; it's designed primarily for thunking upward (which isn't too difficult, actually). The same mechanisms can be used to call from 32 bit applications to 16 bit DLLs, but it isn't documented that way, and MS provides no samples or support." I think your primary problem is that Win-NT/2K/XP does not support flat thunks.
Guest MEB Posted April 11, 2008 Posted April 11, 2008 Re: Getting Thumped trying to Thunk. "Don" <dbaechtel@gmail.com> wrote in message news:c2741e7c-159b-472e-9024-0292a5430940@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... | On Apr 10, 2:38 pm, "MEB" <meb@not h...@hotmail.com> wrote: | > You asked this in another forum, and were directed to MS TechNet/MSDN which | > was a good idea, however, give it a bit and someone will likely have a few | > more questions for you... such as: | > | > When compiling {on XP} did you allow for the differences in the two target | > environments? | > | | What do you mean by "did you allow for the differences in the two | target environments?" | How do I do this? | The flat thunk makes a conversion between the 16-bit and the 32-bit | worlds. That's its job. | What else do I have to do? | Remember this application, 16-bit DLL and 32-bit DLL will all run on | one machine and one OS. | The OS may be anything from Win98 to WinXP. | You are right, Microsoft is devoid of much ready information on its programming envos, but support and coding forums, and MSDN and/or TechNet may help with certain issues. Much of the information that is available is outdated, at times by Microsoft's own changes in its files, updates, and MFCs. As a reason for why I indicated the: "When compiling {on XP} did you allow for the differences in the two target environments?" Though not explaining what you asked, these articles will give you indications of WHY transporting issues and differing Windows version DLL calls must be accounted for [if you're an experienced VC programmer then don't bother with them, look at the thunk links instead].. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/117552/en-us http://support.microsoft.com/kb/184332/en-us http://support.microsoft.com/kb/241848/en-us http://support.microsoft.com/kb/238972/en-us http://support.microsoft.com/kb/139801/en-us http://support.microsoft.com/kb/280803/en-us http://support.microsoft.com/kb/139801/en-us Though VS: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/172610/en-us ---- http://www.codeproject.com/KB/cpp/thunk32.aspx Thunking in Win32 http://www.duckware.com/bugfreec/chapter2.html http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=thunk+coding&btnG=Search You MAY also be having issues with two different XMLHTTP versions, UNICODE, and other system specific variables, i.e., XP/NT verses DOS/9X coding, API, and/or other 32bit handling. You are compiling on the XP for 9X 16bit/32bit, right? And your intent is to do the initial work/translation [16bit app to some 32bit app] on the 9X system, then pass this to XP? http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/visualc/default.aspx Perhaps thunk isn't the way to go... or your coding isn't passing the exact information you think it is. Anyway, I haven't done this for years so this is not my element, hopefully someone else can help you. I just thought I would also direct you to the proper help areas in my first post and perhaps this one. I would be interested in how you get it worked out though, it might have a general 16bit to 32bit usage.... - - - MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com -- _________
Guest Lee Posted April 13, 2008 Posted April 13, 2008 Re: Getting Thumped trying to Thunk. On Apr 10, 6:36 am, dbaechtel <dbaech...@nospam.nospam> wrote: > :confused: Getting Thumped trying to Thunk. > > I have a Legacy 16-bit application that generates Lessons for Education. The > Lessons generated need to run on school computers from Windows 98 through > Windows XP. These Lessons also need to exchange information with remote > servers using XMLHTTP. I have 32-bit DLLs that can do the data exchange using > XMLHTTP tested out OK. I need to be able to exchange integer values, strings > and status between the 16-bit Lessons and the 32-bit DLLs. The Legacy 16-bit > Lessons can link with 16-bit DLLs. I have tested this and it works OK. But > the 16-bit Lessons are not able to link to 32-bit DLLs directly. > > The plan is to build 16-bit DLLs that link with the 16-bit Lessons and then > use flat thunks between the 16-bit DLLs and 32-bit DLLs to get the > communication functions that are needed. I am using the methods described in > KB154093 "How To Call 32-bit Code from 16-bit Code Under Windows 95, Windows > 98, or Windows Millennium Edition" in building the 16-bit DLLs, thunking > script and 32-bit DLLs. > > Quite a bit of information is missing. There does not seem to be any > documentation on thunk.exe, the thunking compiler. There does not seem to be > any documentation on the thunking script language. The formats for the > integer and other variable types changed between the 16-bit and 32-bit DLLs. > I am not sure what data format the thunk script is using in its declarations. > > I am using VC++ 1.52 to build the 16-bit DLLs. I am using VC++ 6.0 to build > the 32-bit DLLs. I am using thunk.exe, rc.exe and ml.exe found in the Win98 > DDK to build the flat thunk as instructed. I have scraped up enough > information on the web to build the DLLs and the flat thunk. It compiles and > links OK but any information received by the 16 bit DLL from the 32 bit DLL > appears to be corrupted by the flat thunk. I can not send constants as int, > WORD, DWORD, LONG or LPSTR from the 32 bit DLL to the 16 bit DLL. ALL values > from the 32 bit DLL seem to be corrupted no matter the data type. I am not > yet able to test data from the 16-bit DLL to the 32-bit DLL until I can get > the correct data returned. I am trying very simple and straight forward tests. > > I am building and running these components on a Windows XP Professional > system for testing. > > Does anyone know why this method described in the KB article does not work? > Does anyone know how to exchange data between 16-bit DLLs and 32 Bit DLLs > that will work on Win98 through WinXP systems? > Does flat thunks as described not work on WinXP systems? > Does anyone know where I can find documentation on the thunk.exe and > thunking script? > > I greatly appreciate any assistance. > > -- > Don Baechtel How To Debug Flat Thunks http://support.microsoft.com/kb/q133722
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