Guest O.J. Newman Posted April 11, 2008 Posted April 11, 2008 "Mike M" <No_Spam@Corned_Beef.Only> wrote in message news:eLeJTmBdIHA.2688@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > Win Me has problems with drives larger than 137GB due to not supporting > 48-bit LBA (which was only partially implemented in XP SP1 (Sept? 2002) > and not fully until XP SP2 (August 2004). > Hi Mike! Does the lack of 48-bit LBA mean: 1. That Win ME (and 98) can use hard drives larger than 137 MB, but that only 137 MB will be recognized and available for use - or - 2. That Win ME (and 98) will not even recognize drives larger than 137 MB, and thus can not use them? Could you please clarify how this works? TIA, O.J.
Guest Mike M Posted April 11, 2008 Posted April 11, 2008 Re: Max Win ME Hard Drive Size? O.J. Newman <ojn@zoominternet.net> wrote: > Hi Mike! > > Does the lack of 48-bit LBA mean: > > 1. That Win ME (and 98) can use hard drives larger than 137 MB, but > that only 137 MB will be recognized and available for use > > - or - > > 2. That Win ME (and 98) will not even recognize drives larger than > 137 MB, and thus can not use them? > Worse, you can see the drive and everything appears hunky dory but the moment anything gets written beyond the 137GB boundary rather than being in that part of the disk it is written to and probably overwriting data earlier in the disk, -- Mike Maltby mike.maltby@gmail.com
Guest O.J. Newman Posted April 11, 2008 Posted April 11, 2008 Re: Max Win ME Hard Drive Size? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike M" <No_Spam@Corned_Beef.Only> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windowsme.general Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 6:17 AM Subject: Re: Max Win ME Hard Drive Size? > O.J. Newman <ojn@zoominternet.net> wrote: > >> Hi Mike! >> >> Does the lack of 48-bit LBA mean: >> >> 1. That Win ME (and 98) can use hard drives larger than 137 MB, but >> that only 137 MB will be recognized and available for use >> >> - or - >> >> 2. That Win ME (and 98) will not even recognize drives larger than >> 137 MB, and thus can not use them? >> > > Worse, you can see the drive and everything appears hunky dory but the > moment anything gets written beyond the 137GB boundary rather than being > in that part of the disk it is written to and probably overwriting data > earlier in the disk, > -- > Mike Maltby > mike.maltby@gmail.com > > Hi Mike: Thanks for the response! So can I use a larger hard drive, say 160 MB, but format it to no larger than 137 MB and be safe? Thanks again, O.J.
Guest Mike M Posted April 11, 2008 Posted April 11, 2008 Re: Max Win ME Hard Drive Size? By Format I am assuming you mean Partition. That should work, assuming your motherboard bios can see the drive, although personally I wouldn't really recommend it. -- Mike Maltby mike.maltby@gmail.com O.J. Newman <ojn@zoominternet.net> wrote: > Thanks for the response! > > So can I use a larger hard drive, say 160 MB, but format it to no > larger than 137 MB and be safe?
Guest O.J. Newman Posted April 12, 2008 Posted April 12, 2008 Re: Max Win ME Hard Drive Size? "Mike M" <No_Spam@Corned_Beef.Only> wrote in message news:e%23ErmKAnIHA.2504@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > By Format I am assuming you mean Partition. > > That should work, assuming your motherboard bios can see the drive, > although personally I wouldn't really recommend it. > -- > Mike Maltby > mike.maltby@gmail.com > > > O.J. Newman <ojn@zoominternet.net> wrote: > >> Thanks for the response! >> >> So can I use a larger hard drive, say 160 MB, but format it to no >> larger than 137 MB and be safe? > Thanks again Mike! O.J.
Guest Greegor Posted April 22, 2008 Posted April 22, 2008 Re: Max Win ME Hard Drive Size? Can this problem be overcome with an LBA 48 controller card and a driver? There's no such limit on an external USB drive is there? How about when Win ME is installed on a system with SATA ports and ME drivers for those? Isn't the sector wraparound problem just the result of hardware that didn't have the most significant bit (binary digit) implemented? Didn't some hardware handle that bit just fine? For completeness, would an SCSI controller/HD have a counterpart of this LBA limitation? To me, using Win ME for internet access, it seems that the ideal boot drive size, generous enough to hold browser, plugins, firewall, anti-spyware, antivirus and have room for downloading would be 4 GB. I would even advise that should be the actual drive size and NOT a partition on a larger one. Bigger than that I find slows down Virusscan, scandisk(deep) and defrag more than it's worth. By the very nature of a large hard disk it will get maintained less often and that's bad. How long would it take to run a deep scandisk on a 137GB hard disk under Win ME? Who's actually going to run a 10 hour virus scan, a 20 hour scandisk or a 15 hour defrag? ( These kinds of issues don't go away on Win XP or Vista, do they? )
Guest Mike M Posted April 23, 2008 Posted April 23, 2008 Re: Max Win ME Hard Drive Size? Again, reading the entire thread might be of some benefit to you. 48 LBA has to be supported both by the bios and the driver. Win Me has no such driver. -- Mike Maltby mike.maltby@gmail.com Greegor <Greegor47@gmail.com> wrote: > Can this problem be overcome with an LBA 48 controller card and a > driver? > > There's no such limit on an external USB drive is there? > > How about when Win ME is installed on a system with > SATA ports and ME drivers for those? > > Isn't the sector wraparound problem just the result of > hardware that didn't have the most significant bit > (binary digit) implemented? > > Didn't some hardware handle that bit just fine? > > For completeness, would an SCSI controller/HD > have a counterpart of this LBA limitation? > > > To me, using Win ME for internet access, it seems > that the ideal boot drive size, generous enough > to hold browser, plugins, firewall, anti-spyware, > antivirus and have room for downloading would > be 4 GB. I would even advise that should be the > actual drive size and NOT a partition on a larger one. > > Bigger than that I find slows down Virusscan, > scandisk(deep) and defrag more than it's worth. > > By the very nature of a large hard disk it > will get maintained less often and that's bad. > > How long would it take to run a deep scandisk > on a 137GB hard disk under Win ME? > > Who's actually going to run a 10 hour virus scan, > a 20 hour scandisk or a 15 hour defrag? > > ( These kinds of issues don't go away > on Win XP or Vista, do they? )
Guest Claudehl@aol.com Posted April 26, 2008 Posted April 26, 2008 Re: Max Win ME Hard Drive Size? There is no such problem with a SCSI drive. On Apr 22, 1:17�pm, Greegor <Greego...@gmail.com> wrote: > For completeness, would an SCSI controller/HD > have a counterpart of this LBA limitation?
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