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Ntbackup seems not to start properly 30 to 50% of the time.

 

 

I have a simple script running from scheduler. The script runs as

expected, however, the ntback command in it does not always run

properly.

 

When it fails to run the log file is always empty and has a time stamp

33 minutes after the start of the script. Also when it fails there are

no entries for ntback in the event log.

 

This happens on two separate Win2003 R2 server machines.

 

There is a mention in technet that someone being logged in can cause

random failures. In the case of these machines no-one is logged in and

it is almost every other run that fails.

 

Anyone any ideas?

 

Don C

 

 

=====

Script:

 

 

echo %date% %time% Start of B02 >> D:\ServerBackups\BKlog.log

echo User=%UserName%, Path=%path% >> D:\ServerBackups\BKlog.log

 

ntbackup backup "@D:\ServerBackups\CFP-BK01.bks" /m normal /P "4mm DDS"

-j "CFPBackup" -d "CFPBackup" /v:yes /r:no /l:s /rs:no /SNAP:off /um

 

echo %date% %time% End of B02 >> D:\ServerBackups\BKlog.log

 

=====

Log:

 

10/04/2008 19:30:00.23 Start of B02

User=Administrator,

Path=C:\WINDOWS\system32;C:\WINDOWS;C:\WINDOWS\System32\Wbem;C:\Program

Files\Intel\DMIX;C:\Program Files\Gemplus\GemSafe Libraries\Bin;

10/04/2008 20:03:02.37 End of B02

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Guest Pegasus \(MVP\)

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Re: Ntbackup seems not to start properly 30 to 50% of the time.

 

 

"Donald Campbell" <Donald@suedon.co.uk> wrote in message

news:1NHZmTBfno$HFAIP@suedonltd.demon.co.uk...

>

>

> Ntbackup seems not to start properly 30 to 50% of the time.

>

>

> I have a simple script running from scheduler. The script runs as

> expected, however, the ntback command in it does not always run properly.

>

> When it fails to run the log file is always empty and has a time stamp 33

> minutes after the start of the script. Also when it fails there are no

> entries for ntback in the event log.

>

> This happens on two separate Win2003 R2 server machines.

>

> There is a mention in technet that someone being logged in can cause

> random failures. In the case of these machines no-one is logged in and it

> is almost every other run that fails.

>

> Anyone any ideas?

>

> Don C

>

>

> =====

> Script:

>

>

> echo %date% %time% Start of B02 >> D:\ServerBackups\BKlog.log

> echo User=%UserName%, Path=%path% >> D:\ServerBackups\BKlog.log

>

> ntbackup backup "@D:\ServerBackups\CFP-BK01.bks" /m normal /P "4mm

> DDS" -j "CFPBackup" -d "CFPBackup" /v:yes /r:no /l:s /rs:no /SNAP:off /um

>

> echo %date% %time% End of B02 >> D:\ServerBackups\BKlog.log

>

> =====

> Log:

>

> 10/04/2008 19:30:00.23 Start of B02

> User=Administrator,

> Path=C:\WINDOWS\system32;C:\WINDOWS;C:\WINDOWS\System32\Wbem;C:\Program

> Files\Intel\DMIX;C:\Program Files\Gemplus\GemSafe Libraries\Bin;

> 10/04/2008 20:03:02.37 End of B02

>

 

Since this happens quite often, you should try and watch what

happens. Set the scheduled backup time to some reasonable

hour, then start a console session a few minutes before the

scheduled start time, making sure to log on under the same

account as the one used for the scheduled job.

 

This is a frequent subject in this newsgroup and your feedback

would be appreciated.

Guest Donald Campbell

Guest Donald Campbell

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Re: Ntbackup seems not to start properly 30 to 50% of the time.

 

In article <uQ3z#pHnIHA.1204@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>, "Pegasus (MVP)"

<I.can@fly.com.oz> writes

>

>"Donald Campbell" <Donald@suedon.co.uk> wrote in message

>news:1NHZmTBfno$HFAIP@suedonltd.demon.co.uk...

>>

>>

>> Ntbackup seems not to start properly 30 to 50% of the time.

>>

>>

>> I have a simple script running from scheduler. The script runs as

>> expected, however, the ntback command in it does not always run properly.

>>

>> When it fails to run the log file is always empty and has a time stamp 33

>> minutes after the start of the script. Also when it fails there are no

>> entries for ntback in the event log.

>>

>> This happens on two separate Win2003 R2 server machines.

>>

>> There is a mention in technet that someone being logged in can cause

>> random failures. In the case of these machines no-one is logged in and it

>> is almost every other run that fails.

>>

>> Anyone any ideas?

>>

>> Don C

>>

>>

>> =====

>> Script:

>>

>>

>> echo %date% %time% Start of B02 >> D:\ServerBackups\BKlog.log

>> echo User=%UserName%, Path=%path% >> D:\ServerBackups\BKlog.log

>>

>> ntbackup backup "@D:\ServerBackups\CFP-BK01.bks" /m normal /P "4mm

>> DDS" -j "CFPBackup" -d "CFPBackup" /v:yes /r:no /l:s /rs:no /SNAP:off /um

>>

>> echo %date% %time% End of B02 >> D:\ServerBackups\BKlog.log

>>

>> =====

>> Log:

>>

>> 10/04/2008 19:30:00.23 Start of B02

>> User=Administrator,

>> Path=C:\WINDOWS\system32;C:\WINDOWS;C:\WINDOWS\System32\Wbem;C:\Program

>> Files\Intel\DMIX;C:\Program Files\Gemplus\GemSafe Libraries\Bin;

>> 10/04/2008 20:03:02.37 End of B02

>>

>

>Since this happens quite often, you should try and watch what

>happens. Set the scheduled backup time to some reasonable

>hour, then start a console session a few minutes before the

>scheduled start time, making sure to log on under the same

>account as the one used for the scheduled job.

>

>This is a frequent subject in this newsgroup and your feedback

>would be appreciated.

>

>

 

Just been away for 5 days holidays, during which time the backups on the

two servers failed.

 

Each night the script ran as a scheduled task, but the ntbackup routine

itself did not. Again it just seems to think about running for 33

minutes and then exits. However, there is no entry in the event log.

 

Last night I RDC into each server in turn and waited. Both backups ran

without any problems!

 

Don C

Guest Donald Campbell

Guest Donald Campbell

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Re: Ntbackup seems not to start properly 30 to 50% of the time.

 

In article <ofW9$xAN+ZCIFAu4@suedonltd.demon.co.uk>, Donald Campbell

<Donald@suedon.co.uk> writes

>In article <uQ3z#pHnIHA.1204@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>, "Pegasus (MVP)"

><I.can@fly.com.oz> writes

>>

>>"Donald Campbell" <Donald@suedon.co.uk> wrote in message

>>news:1NHZmTBfno$HFAIP@suedonltd.demon.co.uk...

>>>

>>>

>>> Ntbackup seems not to start properly 30 to 50% of the time.

>>>

>>>

>>> I have a simple script running from scheduler. The script runs as

>>> expected, however, the ntback command in it does not always run properly.

>>>

>>> When it fails to run the log file is always empty and has a time stamp 33

>>> minutes after the start of the script. Also when it fails there are no

>>> entries for ntback in the event log.

>>>

>>> This happens on two separate Win2003 R2 server machines.

>>>

>>> There is a mention in technet that someone being logged in can cause

>>> random failures. In the case of these machines no-one is logged in and it

>>> is almost every other run that fails.

>>>

>>> Anyone any ideas?

>>>

>>> Don C

>>>

>>>

>>> =====

>>> Script:

>>>

>>>

>>> echo %date% %time% Start of B02 >> D:\ServerBackups\BKlog.log

>>> echo User=%UserName%, Path=%path% >> D:\ServerBackups\BKlog.log

>>>

>>> ntbackup backup "@D:\ServerBackups\CFP-BK01.bks" /m normal /P "4mm

>>> DDS" -j "CFPBackup" -d "CFPBackup" /v:yes /r:no /l:s /rs:no /SNAP:off /um

>>>

>>> echo %date% %time% End of B02 >> D:\ServerBackups\BKlog.log

>>>

>>> =====

>>> Log:

>>>

>>> 10/04/2008 19:30:00.23 Start of B02

>>> User=Administrator,

>>> Path=C:\WINDOWS\system32;C:\WINDOWS;C:\WINDOWS\System32\Wbem;C:\Program

>>> Files\Intel\DMIX;C:\Program Files\Gemplus\GemSafe Libraries\Bin;

>>> 10/04/2008 20:03:02.37 End of B02

>>>

>>

>>Since this happens quite often, you should try and watch what

>>happens. Set the scheduled backup time to some reasonable

>>hour, then start a console session a few minutes before the

>>scheduled start time, making sure to log on under the same

>>account as the one used for the scheduled job.

>>

>>This is a frequent subject in this newsgroup and your feedback

>>would be appreciated.

>>

>>

>

>Just been away for 5 days holidays, during which time the backups on

>the two servers failed.

>

>Each night the script ran as a scheduled task, but the ntbackup routine

>itself did not. Again it just seems to think about running for 33

>minutes and then exits. However, there is no entry in the event log.

>

>Last night I RDC into each server in turn and waited. Both backups ran

>without any problems!

>

>Don C

>

>

 

I built a small test server and using AT instead of Windows Scheduler, I

had the script successfully run 6 backups per day for the last three

days.

 

However, in the live environment it still failed, again with this

strange 33 minutes in which ntback does not start properly.

 

Today I re-booted both live servers and this evening the backups are

running!

 

Dare I breath? I am sure that one could die of frustration.

 

 

Don C

Guest Donald Campbell

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Re: Ntbackup seems not to start properly 30 to 50% of the time.

 

In article <R0EAY7Kg5jDIFAjM@suedonltd.demon.co.uk>, Donald Campbell

<Donald@suedon.co.uk> writes

>In article <ofW9$xAN+ZCIFAu4@suedonltd.demon.co.uk>, Donald Campbell

><Donald@suedon.co.uk> writes

>>In article <uQ3z#pHnIHA.1204@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>, "Pegasus (MVP)"

>><I.can@fly.com.oz> writes

>>>

>>>"Donald Campbell" <Donald@suedon.co.uk> wrote in message

>>>news:1NHZmTBfno$HFAIP@suedonltd.demon.co.uk...

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Ntbackup seems not to start properly 30 to 50% of the time.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> I have a simple script running from scheduler. The script runs as

>>>> expected, however, the ntback command in it does not always run properly.

>>>>

>>>> When it fails to run the log file is always empty and has a time stamp 33

>>>> minutes after the start of the script. Also when it fails there are no

>>>> entries for ntback in the event log.

>>>>

>>>> This happens on two separate Win2003 R2 server machines.

>>>>

>>>> There is a mention in technet that someone being logged in can cause

>>>> random failures. In the case of these machines no-one is logged in and it

>>>> is almost every other run that fails.

>>>>

>>>> Anyone any ideas?

>>>>

>>>> Don C

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> =====

>>>> Script:

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> echo %date% %time% Start of B02 >> D:\ServerBackups\BKlog.log

>>>> echo User=%UserName%, Path=%path% >> D:\ServerBackups\BKlog.log

>>>>

>>>> ntbackup backup "@D:\ServerBackups\CFP-BK01.bks" /m normal /P "4mm

>>>> DDS" -j "CFPBackup" -d "CFPBackup" /v:yes /r:no /l:s /rs:no /SNAP:off /um

>>>>

>>>> echo %date% %time% End of B02 >> D:\ServerBackups\BKlog.log

>>>>

>>>> =====

>>>> Log:

>>>>

>>>> 10/04/2008 19:30:00.23 Start of B02

>>>> User=Administrator,

>>>> Path=C:\WINDOWS\system32;C:\WINDOWS;C:\WINDOWS\System32\Wbem;C:\Program

>>>> Files\Intel\DMIX;C:\Program Files\Gemplus\GemSafe Libraries\Bin;

>>>> 10/04/2008 20:03:02.37 End of B02

>>>>

>>>

>>>Since this happens quite often, you should try and watch what

>>>happens. Set the scheduled backup time to some reasonable

>>>hour, then start a console session a few minutes before the

>>>scheduled start time, making sure to log on under the same

>>>account as the one used for the scheduled job.

>>>

>>>This is a frequent subject in this newsgroup and your feedback

>>>would be appreciated.

>>>

>>>

>>

>>Just been away for 5 days holidays, during which time the backups on

>>the two servers failed.

>>

>>Each night the script ran as a scheduled task, but the ntbackup

>>routine itself did not. Again it just seems to think about running for

>>33 minutes and then exits. However, there is no entry in the event log.

>>

>>Last night I RDC into each server in turn and waited. Both backups ran

>>without any problems!

>>

>>Don C

>>

>>

>

>I built a small test server and using AT instead of Windows Scheduler,

>I had the script successfully run 6 backups per day for the last three

>days.

>

>However, in the live environment it still failed, again with this

>strange 33 minutes in which ntback does not start properly.

>

>Today I re-booted both live servers and this evening the backups are

>running!

>

>Dare I breath? I am sure that one could die of frustration.

>

>

>Don C

>

 

It would appear that a re-boot allows the backup to complete once. Last

night worked fine. This evening, again a 33 minute gap, no entry in the

backup log and no "ntbackup" entry in the event log.

 

Don C

Guest Pegasus \(MVP\)

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Re: Ntbackup seems not to start properly 30 to 50% of the time.

 

 

"Donald Campbell" <Donald@suedon.co.uk> wrote in message

news:g8eM6pLJc7DIFAFr@suedonltd.demon.co.uk...

> In article <R0EAY7Kg5jDIFAjM@suedonltd.demon.co.uk>, Donald Campbell

> <Donald@suedon.co.uk> writes

>>In article <ofW9$xAN+ZCIFAu4@suedonltd.demon.co.uk>, Donald Campbell

>><Donald@suedon.co.uk> writes

>>>In article <uQ3z#pHnIHA.1204@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>, "Pegasus (MVP)"

>>><I.can@fly.com.oz> writes

>>>>

>>>>"Donald Campbell" <Donald@suedon.co.uk> wrote in message

>>>>news:1NHZmTBfno$HFAIP@suedonltd.demon.co.uk...

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Ntbackup seems not to start properly 30 to 50% of the time.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> I have a simple script running from scheduler. The script runs as

>>>>> expected, however, the ntback command in it does not always run

>>>>> properly.

>>>>>

>>>>> When it fails to run the log file is always empty and has a time stamp

>>>>> 33

>>>>> minutes after the start of the script. Also when it fails there are no

>>>>> entries for ntback in the event log.

>>>>>

>>>>> This happens on two separate Win2003 R2 server machines.

>>>>>

>>>>> There is a mention in technet that someone being logged in can cause

>>>>> random failures. In the case of these machines no-one is logged in and

>>>>> it

>>>>> is almost every other run that fails.

>>>>>

>>>>> Anyone any ideas?

>>>>>

>>>>> Don C

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> =====

>>>>> Script:

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> echo %date% %time% Start of B02 >> D:\ServerBackups\BKlog.log

>>>>> echo User=%UserName%, Path=%path% >> D:\ServerBackups\BKlog.log

>>>>>

>>>>> ntbackup backup "@D:\ServerBackups\CFP-BK01.bks" /m normal /P "4mm

>>>>> DDS" -j "CFPBackup" -d "CFPBackup" /v:yes /r:no /l:s /rs:no /SNAP:off

>>>>> /um

>>>>>

>>>>> echo %date% %time% End of B02 >> D:\ServerBackups\BKlog.log

>>>>>

>>>>> =====

>>>>> Log:

>>>>>

>>>>> 10/04/2008 19:30:00.23 Start of B02

>>>>> User=Administrator,

>>>>> Path=C:\WINDOWS\system32;C:\WINDOWS;C:\WINDOWS\System32\Wbem;C:\Program

>>>>> Files\Intel\DMIX;C:\Program Files\Gemplus\GemSafe Libraries\Bin;

>>>>> 10/04/2008 20:03:02.37 End of B02

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>>Since this happens quite often, you should try and watch what

>>>>happens. Set the scheduled backup time to some reasonable

>>>>hour, then start a console session a few minutes before the

>>>>scheduled start time, making sure to log on under the same

>>>>account as the one used for the scheduled job.

>>>>

>>>>This is a frequent subject in this newsgroup and your feedback

>>>>would be appreciated.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>

>>>Just been away for 5 days holidays, during which time the backups on the

>>>two servers failed.

>>>

>>>Each night the script ran as a scheduled task, but the ntbackup routine

>>>itself did not. Again it just seems to think about running for 33 minutes

>>>and then exits. However, there is no entry in the event log.

>>>

>>>Last night I RDC into each server in turn and waited. Both backups ran

>>>without any problems!

>>>

>>>Don C

>>>

>>>

>>

>>I built a small test server and using AT instead of Windows Scheduler, I

>>had the script successfully run 6 backups per day for the last three days.

>>

>>However, in the live environment it still failed, again with this strange

>>33 minutes in which ntback does not start properly.

>>

>>Today I re-booted both live servers and this evening the backups are

>>running!

>>

>>Dare I breath? I am sure that one could die of frustration.

>>

>>

>>Don C

>>

>

> It would appear that a re-boot allows the backup to complete once. Last

> night worked fine. This evening, again a 33 minute gap, no entry in the

> backup log and no "ntbackup" entry in the event log.

>

> Don C

 

This observation should enable to to sit down in front of the

machine and observe what's going on when it fails.

Guest Donald Campbell

Guest Donald Campbell

Posted
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Re: Ntbackup seems not to start properly 30 to 50% of the time.

 

In article <O3XSgfipIHA.524@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>, "Pegasus (MVP)"

<I.can@fly.com.oz> writes

>

>"Donald Campbell" <Donald@suedon.co.uk> wrote in message

>news:g8eM6pLJc7DIFAFr@suedonltd.demon.co.uk...

>> In article <R0EAY7Kg5jDIFAjM@suedonltd.demon.co.uk>, Donald Campbell

>> <Donald@suedon.co.uk> writes

>>>In article <ofW9$xAN+ZCIFAu4@suedonltd.demon.co.uk>, Donald Campbell

>>><Donald@suedon.co.uk> writes

>>>>In article <uQ3z#pHnIHA.1204@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>, "Pegasus (MVP)"

>>>><I.can@fly.com.oz> writes

>>>>>

>>>>>"Donald Campbell" <Donald@suedon.co.uk> wrote in message

>>>>>news:1NHZmTBfno$HFAIP@suedonltd.demon.co.uk...

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Ntbackup seems not to start properly 30 to 50% of the time.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I have a simple script running from scheduler. The script runs as

>>>>>> expected, however, the ntback command in it does not always run

>>>>>> properly.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> When it fails to run the log file is always empty and has a time stamp

>>>>>> 33

>>>>>> minutes after the start of the script. Also when it fails there are no

>>>>>> entries for ntback in the event log.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> This happens on two separate Win2003 R2 server machines.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> There is a mention in technet that someone being logged in can cause

>>>>>> random failures. In the case of these machines no-one is logged in and

>>>>>> it

>>>>>> is almost every other run that fails.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Anyone any ideas?

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Don C

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> =====

>>>>>> Script:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> echo %date% %time% Start of B02 >> D:\ServerBackups\BKlog.log

>>>>>> echo User=%UserName%, Path=%path% >> D:\ServerBackups\BKlog.log

>>>>>>

>>>>>> ntbackup backup "@D:\ServerBackups\CFP-BK01.bks" /m normal /P "4mm

>>>>>> DDS" -j "CFPBackup" -d "CFPBackup" /v:yes /r:no /l:s /rs:no /SNAP:off

>>>>>> /um

>>>>>>

>>>>>> echo %date% %time% End of B02 >> D:\ServerBackups\BKlog.log

>>>>>>

>>>>>> =====

>>>>>> Log:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> 10/04/2008 19:30:00.23 Start of B02

>>>>>> User=Administrator,

>>>>>> Path=C:\WINDOWS\system32;C:\WINDOWS;C:\WINDOWS\System32\Wbem;C:\Program

>>>>>> Files\Intel\DMIX;C:\Program Files\Gemplus\GemSafe Libraries\Bin;

>>>>>> 10/04/2008 20:03:02.37 End of B02

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>Since this happens quite often, you should try and watch what

>>>>>happens. Set the scheduled backup time to some reasonable

>>>>>hour, then start a console session a few minutes before the

>>>>>scheduled start time, making sure to log on under the same

>>>>>account as the one used for the scheduled job.

>>>>>

>>>>>This is a frequent subject in this newsgroup and your feedback

>>>>>would be appreciated.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>>Just been away for 5 days holidays, during which time the backups on the

>>>>two servers failed.

>>>>

>>>>Each night the script ran as a scheduled task, but the ntbackup routine

>>>>itself did not. Again it just seems to think about running for 33 minutes

>>>>and then exits. However, there is no entry in the event log.

>>>>

>>>>Last night I RDC into each server in turn and waited. Both backups ran

>>>>without any problems!

>>>>

>>>>Don C

>>>>

>>>>

>>>

>>>I built a small test server and using AT instead of Windows Scheduler, I

>>>had the script successfully run 6 backups per day for the last three days.

>>>

>>>However, in the live environment it still failed, again with this strange

>>>33 minutes in which ntback does not start properly.

>>>

>>>Today I re-booted both live servers and this evening the backups are

>>>running!

>>>

>>>Dare I breath? I am sure that one could die of frustration.

>>>

>>>

>>>Don C

>>>

>>

>> It would appear that a re-boot allows the backup to complete once. Last

>> night worked fine. This evening, again a 33 minute gap, no entry in the

>> backup log and no "ntbackup" entry in the event log.

>>

>> Don C

>

>This observation should enable to to sit down in front of the

>machine and observe what's going on when it fails.

>

>

 

The particular machines are 25 miles away.

When I watch via RDC, they work.

 

Don C

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"Donald Campbell" <Donald@suedon.co.uk> wrote in message

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> In article <O3XSgfipIHA.524@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>, "Pegasus (MVP)"

> <I.can@fly.com.oz> writes

>>

>>"Donald Campbell" <Donald@suedon.co.uk> wrote in message

>>news:g8eM6pLJc7DIFAFr@suedonltd.demon.co.uk...

>>> In article <R0EAY7Kg5jDIFAjM@suedonltd.demon.co.uk>, Donald Campbell

>>> <Donald@suedon.co.uk> writes

>>>>In article <ofW9$xAN+ZCIFAu4@suedonltd.demon.co.uk>, Donald Campbell

>>>><Donald@suedon.co.uk> writes

>>>>>In article <uQ3z#pHnIHA.1204@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>, "Pegasus (MVP)"

>>>>><I.can@fly.com.oz> writes

>>>>>>

>>>>>>"Donald Campbell" <Donald@suedon.co.uk> wrote in message

>>>>>>news:1NHZmTBfno$HFAIP@suedonltd.demon.co.uk...

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Ntbackup seems not to start properly 30 to 50% of the time.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I have a simple script running from scheduler. The script runs as

>>>>>>> expected, however, the ntback command in it does not always run

>>>>>>> properly.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> When it fails to run the log file is always empty and has a time

>>>>>>> stamp

>>>>>>> 33

>>>>>>> minutes after the start of the script. Also when it fails there are

>>>>>>> no

>>>>>>> entries for ntback in the event log.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> This happens on two separate Win2003 R2 server machines.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> There is a mention in technet that someone being logged in can cause

>>>>>>> random failures. In the case of these machines no-one is logged in

>>>>>>> and

>>>>>>> it

>>>>>>> is almost every other run that fails.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Anyone any ideas?

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Don C

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> =====

>>>>>>> Script:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> echo %date% %time% Start of B02 >> D:\ServerBackups\BKlog.log

>>>>>>> echo User=%UserName%, Path=%path% >> D:\ServerBackups\BKlog.log

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> ntbackup backup "@D:\ServerBackups\CFP-BK01.bks" /m normal /P "4mm

>>>>>>> DDS" -j "CFPBackup" -d "CFPBackup" /v:yes /r:no /l:s /rs:no

>>>>>>> /SNAP:off

>>>>>>> /um

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> echo %date% %time% End of B02 >> D:\ServerBackups\BKlog.log

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> =====

>>>>>>> Log:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> 10/04/2008 19:30:00.23 Start of B02

>>>>>>> User=Administrator,

>>>>>>> Path=C:\WINDOWS\system32;C:\WINDOWS;C:\WINDOWS\System32\Wbem;C:\Program

>>>>>>> Files\Intel\DMIX;C:\Program Files\Gemplus\GemSafe Libraries\Bin;

>>>>>>> 10/04/2008 20:03:02.37 End of B02

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>Since this happens quite often, you should try and watch what

>>>>>>happens. Set the scheduled backup time to some reasonable

>>>>>>hour, then start a console session a few minutes before the

>>>>>>scheduled start time, making sure to log on under the same

>>>>>>account as the one used for the scheduled job.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>This is a frequent subject in this newsgroup and your feedback

>>>>>>would be appreciated.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>Just been away for 5 days holidays, during which time the backups on

>>>>>the

>>>>>two servers failed.

>>>>>

>>>>>Each night the script ran as a scheduled task, but the ntbackup routine

>>>>>itself did not. Again it just seems to think about running for 33

>>>>>minutes

>>>>>and then exits. However, there is no entry in the event log.

>>>>>

>>>>>Last night I RDC into each server in turn and waited. Both backups ran

>>>>>without any problems!

>>>>>

>>>>>Don C

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>>I built a small test server and using AT instead of Windows Scheduler, I

>>>>had the script successfully run 6 backups per day for the last three

>>>>days.

>>>>

>>>>However, in the live environment it still failed, again with this

>>>>strange

>>>>33 minutes in which ntback does not start properly.

>>>>

>>>>Today I re-booted both live servers and this evening the backups are

>>>>running!

>>>>

>>>>Dare I breath? I am sure that one could die of frustration.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>Don C

>>>>

>>>

>>> It would appear that a re-boot allows the backup to complete once. Last

>>> night worked fine. This evening, again a 33 minute gap, no entry in the

>>> backup log and no "ntbackup" entry in the event log.

>>>

>>> Don C

>>

>>This observation should enable to to sit down in front of the

>>machine and observe what's going on when it fails.

>>

>>

>

> The particular machines are 25 miles away.

> When I watch via RDC, they work.

>

> Don C

>

 

A pragmatic solution might be:

- Launch a Remote Desktop connection shortly before the

backup is due to start. You can do this with a scheduled

task. AFAIR, you can use an rdp file that has the password

embedded as a hash value.

This approach will keep your backup going for a while.

- When you get the time, travel to that site to observe the process.

Guest Donald Campbell

Guest Donald Campbell

Posted
Posted

Re: Ntbackup seems not to start properly 30 to 50% of the time.

 

In article <O$RANSkpIHA.1768@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>, "Pegasus (MVP)"

<I.can@fly.com.oz> writes

>

>"Donald Campbell" <Donald@suedon.co.uk> wrote in message

>news:3tpZOkML4LEIFA$d@suedonltd.demon.co.uk...

>> In article <O3XSgfipIHA.524@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>, "Pegasus (MVP)"

>> <I.can@fly.com.oz> writes

>>>

>>>"Donald Campbell" <Donald@suedon.co.uk> wrote in message

>>>news:g8eM6pLJc7DIFAFr@suedonltd.demon.co.uk...

>>>> In article <R0EAY7Kg5jDIFAjM@suedonltd.demon.co.uk>, Donald Campbell

>>>> <Donald@suedon.co.uk> writes

>>>>>In article <ofW9$xAN+ZCIFAu4@suedonltd.demon.co.uk>, Donald Campbell

>>>>><Donald@suedon.co.uk> writes

>>>>>>In article <uQ3z#pHnIHA.1204@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>, "Pegasus (MVP)"

>>>>>><I.can@fly.com.oz> writes

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>"Donald Campbell" <Donald@suedon.co.uk> wrote in message

>>>>>>>news:1NHZmTBfno$HFAIP@suedonltd.demon.co.uk...

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Ntbackup seems not to start properly 30 to 50% of the time.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> I have a simple script running from scheduler. The script runs as

>>>>>>>> expected, however, the ntback command in it does not always run

>>>>>>>> properly.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> When it fails to run the log file is always empty and has a time

>>>>>>>> stamp

>>>>>>>> 33

>>>>>>>> minutes after the start of the script. Also when it fails there are

>>>>>>>> no

>>>>>>>> entries for ntback in the event log.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> This happens on two separate Win2003 R2 server machines.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> There is a mention in technet that someone being logged in can cause

>>>>>>>> random failures. In the case of these machines no-one is logged in

>>>>>>>> and

>>>>>>>> it

>>>>>>>> is almost every other run that fails.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Anyone any ideas?

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Don C

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> =====

>>>>>>>> Script:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> echo %date% %time% Start of B02 >> D:\ServerBackups\BKlog.log

>>>>>>>> echo User=%UserName%, Path=%path% >> D:\ServerBackups\BKlog.log

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> ntbackup backup "@D:\ServerBackups\CFP-BK01.bks" /m normal /P "4mm

>>>>>>>> DDS" -j "CFPBackup" -d "CFPBackup" /v:yes /r:no /l:s /rs:no

>>>>>>>> /SNAP:off

>>>>>>>> /um

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> echo %date% %time% End of B02 >> D:\ServerBackups\BKlog.log

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> =====

>>>>>>>> Log:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> 10/04/2008 19:30:00.23 Start of B02

>>>>>>>> User=Administrator,

>>>>>>>> Path=C:\WINDOWS\system32;C:\WINDOWS;C:\WINDOWS\System32\Wbem;C:\Program

>>>>>>>> Files\Intel\DMIX;C:\Program Files\Gemplus\GemSafe Libraries\Bin;

>>>>>>>> 10/04/2008 20:03:02.37 End of B02

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>Since this happens quite often, you should try and watch what

>>>>>>>happens. Set the scheduled backup time to some reasonable

>>>>>>>hour, then start a console session a few minutes before the

>>>>>>>scheduled start time, making sure to log on under the same

>>>>>>>account as the one used for the scheduled job.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>This is a frequent subject in this newsgroup and your feedback

>>>>>>>would be appreciated.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>Just been away for 5 days holidays, during which time the backups on

>>>>>>the

>>>>>>two servers failed.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>Each night the script ran as a scheduled task, but the ntbackup routine

>>>>>>itself did not. Again it just seems to think about running for 33

>>>>>>minutes

>>>>>>and then exits. However, there is no entry in the event log.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>Last night I RDC into each server in turn and waited. Both backups ran

>>>>>>without any problems!

>>>>>>

>>>>>>Don C

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>I built a small test server and using AT instead of Windows Scheduler, I

>>>>>had the script successfully run 6 backups per day for the last three

>>>>>days.

>>>>>

>>>>>However, in the live environment it still failed, again with this

>>>>>strange

>>>>>33 minutes in which ntback does not start properly.

>>>>>

>>>>>Today I re-booted both live servers and this evening the backups are

>>>>>running!

>>>>>

>>>>>Dare I breath? I am sure that one could die of frustration.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>Don C

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>> It would appear that a re-boot allows the backup to complete once. Last

>>>> night worked fine. This evening, again a 33 minute gap, no entry in the

>>>> backup log and no "ntbackup" entry in the event log.

>>>>

>>>> Don C

>>>

>>>This observation should enable to to sit down in front of the

>>>machine and observe what's going on when it fails.

>>>

>>>

>>

>> The particular machines are 25 miles away.

>> When I watch via RDC, they work.

>>

>> Don C

>>

>

>A pragmatic solution might be:

>- Launch a Remote Desktop connection shortly before the

> backup is due to start. You can do this with a scheduled

> task. AFAIR, you can use an rdp file that has the password

> embedded as a hash value.

> This approach will keep your backup going for a while.

>- When you get the time, travel to that site to observe the process.

>

>

 

Being on-site for the backups is unfortunately not an option, otherwise

it would have been done.

The Building is shutup tight at that time.

 

I was considering just not logging out of the RDC session and seeing if

that had the same effect as being connected.

 

Don.

Guest Pegasus \(MVP\)

Guest Pegasus \(MVP\)

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Re: Ntbackup seems not to start properly 30 to 50% of the time.

 

 

"Donald Campbell" <Donald@suedon.co.uk> wrote in message

news:oWfugtNR1QEIFAuh@suedonltd.demon.co.uk...

> In article <O$RANSkpIHA.1768@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>, "Pegasus (MVP)"

> <I.can@fly.com.oz> writes

>>

>>"Donald Campbell" <Donald@suedon.co.uk> wrote in message

>>news:3tpZOkML4LEIFA$d@suedonltd.demon.co.uk...

>>> In article <O3XSgfipIHA.524@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>, "Pegasus (MVP)"

>>> <I.can@fly.com.oz> writes

>>>>

>>>>"Donald Campbell" <Donald@suedon.co.uk> wrote in message

>>>>news:g8eM6pLJc7DIFAFr@suedonltd.demon.co.uk...

>>>>> In article <R0EAY7Kg5jDIFAjM@suedonltd.demon.co.uk>, Donald Campbell

>>>>> <Donald@suedon.co.uk> writes

>>>>>>In article <ofW9$xAN+ZCIFAu4@suedonltd.demon.co.uk>, Donald Campbell

>>>>>><Donald@suedon.co.uk> writes

>>>>>>>In article <uQ3z#pHnIHA.1204@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>, "Pegasus (MVP)"

>>>>>>><I.can@fly.com.oz> writes

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>"Donald Campbell" <Donald@suedon.co.uk> wrote in message

>>>>>>>>news:1NHZmTBfno$HFAIP@suedonltd.demon.co.uk...

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Ntbackup seems not to start properly 30 to 50% of the time.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> I have a simple script running from scheduler. The script runs as

>>>>>>>>> expected, however, the ntback command in it does not always run

>>>>>>>>> properly.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> When it fails to run the log file is always empty and has a time

>>>>>>>>> stamp

>>>>>>>>> 33

>>>>>>>>> minutes after the start of the script. Also when it fails there

>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>> no

>>>>>>>>> entries for ntback in the event log.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> This happens on two separate Win2003 R2 server machines.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> There is a mention in technet that someone being logged in can

>>>>>>>>> cause

>>>>>>>>> random failures. In the case of these machines no-one is logged in

>>>>>>>>> and

>>>>>>>>> it

>>>>>>>>> is almost every other run that fails.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Anyone any ideas?

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Don C

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> =====

>>>>>>>>> Script:

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> echo %date% %time% Start of B02 >> D:\ServerBackups\BKlog.log

>>>>>>>>> echo User=%UserName%, Path=%path% >> D:\ServerBackups\BKlog.log

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> ntbackup backup "@D:\ServerBackups\CFP-BK01.bks" /m normal /P

>>>>>>>>> "4mm

>>>>>>>>> DDS" -j "CFPBackup" -d "CFPBackup" /v:yes /r:no /l:s /rs:no

>>>>>>>>> /SNAP:off

>>>>>>>>> /um

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> echo %date% %time% End of B02 >> D:\ServerBackups\BKlog.log

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> =====

>>>>>>>>> Log:

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> 10/04/2008 19:30:00.23 Start of B02

>>>>>>>>> User=Administrator,

>>>>>>>>> Path=C:\WINDOWS\system32;C:\WINDOWS;C:\WINDOWS\System32\Wbem;C:\Program

>>>>>>>>> Files\Intel\DMIX;C:\Program Files\Gemplus\GemSafe Libraries\Bin;

>>>>>>>>> 10/04/2008 20:03:02.37 End of B02

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>Since this happens quite often, you should try and watch what

>>>>>>>>happens. Set the scheduled backup time to some reasonable

>>>>>>>>hour, then start a console session a few minutes before the

>>>>>>>>scheduled start time, making sure to log on under the same

>>>>>>>>account as the one used for the scheduled job.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>This is a frequent subject in this newsgroup and your feedback

>>>>>>>>would be appreciated.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>Just been away for 5 days holidays, during which time the backups on

>>>>>>>the

>>>>>>>two servers failed.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>Each night the script ran as a scheduled task, but the ntbackup

>>>>>>>routine

>>>>>>>itself did not. Again it just seems to think about running for 33

>>>>>>>minutes

>>>>>>>and then exits. However, there is no entry in the event log.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>Last night I RDC into each server in turn and waited. Both backups

>>>>>>>ran

>>>>>>>without any problems!

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>Don C

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>I built a small test server and using AT instead of Windows Scheduler,

>>>>>>I

>>>>>>had the script successfully run 6 backups per day for the last three

>>>>>>days.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>However, in the live environment it still failed, again with this

>>>>>>strange

>>>>>>33 minutes in which ntback does not start properly.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>Today I re-booted both live servers and this evening the backups are

>>>>>>running!

>>>>>>

>>>>>>Dare I breath? I am sure that one could die of frustration.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>Don C

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> It would appear that a re-boot allows the backup to complete once.

>>>>> Last

>>>>> night worked fine. This evening, again a 33 minute gap, no entry in

>>>>> the

>>>>> backup log and no "ntbackup" entry in the event log.

>>>>>

>>>>> Don C

>>>>

>>>>This observation should enable to to sit down in front of the

>>>>machine and observe what's going on when it fails.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>

>>> The particular machines are 25 miles away.

>>> When I watch via RDC, they work.

>>>

>>> Don C

>>>

>>

>>A pragmatic solution might be:

>>- Launch a Remote Desktop connection shortly before the

>> backup is due to start. You can do this with a scheduled

>> task. AFAIR, you can use an rdp file that has the password

>> embedded as a hash value.

>> This approach will keep your backup going for a while.

>>- When you get the time, travel to that site to observe the process.

>>

>>

>

> Being on-site for the backups is unfortunately not an option, otherwise it

> would have been done.

> The Building is shutup tight at that time.

>

> I was considering just not logging out of the RDC session and seeing if

> that had the same effect as being connected.

>

> Don.

>

 

Move the backup schedule!

Guest Donald Campbell

Guest Donald Campbell

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Re: Ntbackup seems not to start properly 30 to 50% of the time.

 

In article <#0wQVRmpIHA.4816@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>, "Pegasus (MVP)"

<I.can@fly.com.oz> writes

>

>"Donald Campbell" <Donald@suedon.co.uk> wrote in message

>news:oWfugtNR1QEIFAuh@suedonltd.demon.co.uk...

>> In article <O$RANSkpIHA.1768@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>, "Pegasus (MVP)"

>> <I.can@fly.com.oz> writes

>>>

>>>"Donald Campbell" <Donald@suedon.co.uk> wrote in message

>>>news:3tpZOkML4LEIFA$d@suedonltd.demon.co.uk...

>>>> In article <O3XSgfipIHA.524@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>, "Pegasus (MVP)"

>>>> <I.can@fly.com.oz> writes

>>>>>

>>>>>"Donald Campbell" <Donald@suedon.co.uk> wrote in message

>>>>>news:g8eM6pLJc7DIFAFr@suedonltd.demon.co.uk...

>>>>>> In article <R0EAY7Kg5jDIFAjM@suedonltd.demon.co.uk>, Donald Campbell

>>>>>> <Donald@suedon.co.uk> writes

>>>>>>>In article <ofW9$xAN+ZCIFAu4@suedonltd.demon.co.uk>, Donald Campbell

>>>>>>><Donald@suedon.co.uk> writes

>>>>>>>>In article <uQ3z#pHnIHA.1204@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>, "Pegasus (MVP)"

>>>>>>>><I.can@fly.com.oz> writes

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>"Donald Campbell" <Donald@suedon.co.uk> wrote in message

>>>>>>>>>news:1NHZmTBfno$HFAIP@suedonltd.demon.co.uk...

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Ntbackup seems not to start properly 30 to 50% of the time.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> I have a simple script running from scheduler. The script runs as

>>>>>>>>>> expected, however, the ntback command in it does not always run

>>>>>>>>>> properly.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> When it fails to run the log file is always empty and has a time

>>>>>>>>>> stamp

>>>>>>>>>> 33

>>>>>>>>>> minutes after the start of the script. Also when it fails there

>>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>>> no

>>>>>>>>>> entries for ntback in the event log.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> This happens on two separate Win2003 R2 server machines.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> There is a mention in technet that someone being logged in can

>>>>>>>>>> cause

>>>>>>>>>> random failures. In the case of these machines no-one is logged in

>>>>>>>>>> and

>>>>>>>>>> it

>>>>>>>>>> is almost every other run that fails.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Anyone any ideas?

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Don C

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> =====

>>>>>>>>>> Script:

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> echo %date% %time% Start of B02 >> D:\ServerBackups\BKlog.log

>>>>>>>>>> echo User=%UserName%, Path=%path% >> D:\ServerBackups\BKlog.log

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> ntbackup backup "@D:\ServerBackups\CFP-BK01.bks" /m normal /P

>>>>>>>>>> "4mm

>>>>>>>>>> DDS" -j "CFPBackup" -d "CFPBackup" /v:yes /r:no /l:s /rs:no

>>>>>>>>>> /SNAP:off

>>>>>>>>>> /um

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> echo %date% %time% End of B02 >> D:\ServerBackups\BKlog.log

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> =====

>>>>>>>>>> Log:

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> 10/04/2008 19:30:00.23 Start of B02

>>>>>>>>>> User=Administrator,

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>Path=C:\WINDOWS\system32;C:\WINDOWS;C:\WINDOWS\System32\Wbem;C:\Program

>>>>>>>>>> Files\Intel\DMIX;C:\Program Files\Gemplus\GemSafe Libraries\Bin;

>>>>>>>>>> 10/04/2008 20:03:02.37 End of B02

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>Since this happens quite often, you should try and watch what

>>>>>>>>>happens. Set the scheduled backup time to some reasonable

>>>>>>>>>hour, then start a console session a few minutes before the

>>>>>>>>>scheduled start time, making sure to log on under the same

>>>>>>>>>account as the one used for the scheduled job.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>This is a frequent subject in this newsgroup and your feedback

>>>>>>>>>would be appreciated.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>Just been away for 5 days holidays, during which time the backups on

>>>>>>>>the

>>>>>>>>two servers failed.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>Each night the script ran as a scheduled task, but the ntbackup

>>>>>>>>routine

>>>>>>>>itself did not. Again it just seems to think about running for 33

>>>>>>>>minutes

>>>>>>>>and then exits. However, there is no entry in the event log.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>Last night I RDC into each server in turn and waited. Both backups

>>>>>>>>ran

>>>>>>>>without any problems!

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>Don C

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>I built a small test server and using AT instead of Windows Scheduler,

>>>>>>>I

>>>>>>>had the script successfully run 6 backups per day for the last three

>>>>>>>days.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>However, in the live environment it still failed, again with this

>>>>>>>strange

>>>>>>>33 minutes in which ntback does not start properly.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>Today I re-booted both live servers and this evening the backups are

>>>>>>>running!

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>Dare I breath? I am sure that one could die of frustration.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>Don C

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> It would appear that a re-boot allows the backup to complete once.

>>>>>> Last

>>>>>> night worked fine. This evening, again a 33 minute gap, no entry in

>>>>>> the

>>>>>> backup log and no "ntbackup" entry in the event log.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Don C

>>>>>

>>>>>This observation should enable to to sit down in front of the

>>>>>machine and observe what's going on when it fails.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>> The particular machines are 25 miles away.

>>>> When I watch via RDC, they work.

>>>>

>>>> Don C

>>>>

>>>

>>>A pragmatic solution might be:

>>>- Launch a Remote Desktop connection shortly before the

>>> backup is due to start. You can do this with a scheduled

>>> task. AFAIR, you can use an rdp file that has the password

>>> embedded as a hash value.

>>> This approach will keep your backup going for a while.

>>>- When you get the time, travel to that site to observe the process.

>>>

>>>

>>

>> Being on-site for the backups is unfortunately not an option, otherwise it

>> would have been done.

>> The Building is shutup tight at that time.

>>

>> I was considering just not logging out of the RDC session and seeing if

>> that had the same effect as being connected.

>>

>> Don.

>>

>

>Move the backup schedule!

>

>

 

= User disruption, business loss

 

Don

Guest Pegasus \(MVP\)

Guest Pegasus \(MVP\)

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Re: Ntbackup seems not to start properly 30 to 50% of the time.

 

 

"Donald Campbell" <Donald@suedon.co.uk> wrote in message

news:h9Oc6ZOXBbEIFAd5@suedonltd.demon.co.uk...

> In article <#0wQVRmpIHA.4816@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>, "Pegasus (MVP)"

> <I.can@fly.com.oz> writes

>>

>>"Donald Campbell" <Donald@suedon.co.uk> wrote in message

>>news:oWfugtNR1QEIFAuh@suedonltd.demon.co.uk...

>>> In article <O$RANSkpIHA.1768@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>, "Pegasus (MVP)"

>>> <I.can@fly.com.oz> writes

>>>>

>>>>"Donald Campbell" <Donald@suedon.co.uk> wrote in message

>>>>news:3tpZOkML4LEIFA$d@suedonltd.demon.co.uk...

>>>>> In article <O3XSgfipIHA.524@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>, "Pegasus (MVP)"

>>>>> <I.can@fly.com.oz> writes

>>>>>>

>>>>>>"Donald Campbell" <Donald@suedon.co.uk> wrote in message

>>>>>>news:g8eM6pLJc7DIFAFr@suedonltd.demon.co.uk...

>>>>>>> In article <R0EAY7Kg5jDIFAjM@suedonltd.demon.co.uk>, Donald Campbell

>>>>>>> <Donald@suedon.co.uk> writes

>>>>>>>>In article <ofW9$xAN+ZCIFAu4@suedonltd.demon.co.uk>, Donald Campbell

>>>>>>>><Donald@suedon.co.uk> writes

>>>>>>>>>In article <uQ3z#pHnIHA.1204@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>, "Pegasus (MVP)"

>>>>>>>>><I.can@fly.com.oz> writes

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>"Donald Campbell" <Donald@suedon.co.uk> wrote in message

>>>>>>>>>>news:1NHZmTBfno$HFAIP@suedonltd.demon.co.uk...

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Ntbackup seems not to start properly 30 to 50% of the time.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> I have a simple script running from scheduler. The script runs

>>>>>>>>>>> as

>>>>>>>>>>> expected, however, the ntback command in it does not always run

>>>>>>>>>>> properly.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> When it fails to run the log file is always empty and has a time

>>>>>>>>>>> stamp

>>>>>>>>>>> 33

>>>>>>>>>>> minutes after the start of the script. Also when it fails there

>>>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>>>> no

>>>>>>>>>>> entries for ntback in the event log.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> This happens on two separate Win2003 R2 server machines.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> There is a mention in technet that someone being logged in can

>>>>>>>>>>> cause

>>>>>>>>>>> random failures. In the case of these machines no-one is logged

>>>>>>>>>>> in

>>>>>>>>>>> and

>>>>>>>>>>> it

>>>>>>>>>>> is almost every other run that fails.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone any ideas?

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Don C

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> =====

>>>>>>>>>>> Script:

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> echo %date% %time% Start of B02 >> D:\ServerBackups\BKlog.log

>>>>>>>>>>> echo User=%UserName%, Path=%path% >> D:\ServerBackups\BKlog.log

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> ntbackup backup "@D:\ServerBackups\CFP-BK01.bks" /m normal /P

>>>>>>>>>>> "4mm

>>>>>>>>>>> DDS" -j "CFPBackup" -d "CFPBackup" /v:yes /r:no /l:s /rs:no

>>>>>>>>>>> /SNAP:off

>>>>>>>>>>> /um

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> echo %date% %time% End of B02 >> D:\ServerBackups\BKlog.log

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> =====

>>>>>>>>>>> Log:

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> 10/04/2008 19:30:00.23 Start of B02

>>>>>>>>>>> User=Administrator,

>>>>>>>>>>> Path=C:\WINDOWS\system32;C:\WINDOWS;C:\WINDOWS\System32\Wbem;C:\Program

>>>>>>>>>>> Files\Intel\DMIX;C:\Program Files\Gemplus\GemSafe Libraries\Bin;

>>>>>>>>>>> 10/04/2008 20:03:02.37 End of B02

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>Since this happens quite often, you should try and watch what

>>>>>>>>>>happens. Set the scheduled backup time to some reasonable

>>>>>>>>>>hour, then start a console session a few minutes before the

>>>>>>>>>>scheduled start time, making sure to log on under the same

>>>>>>>>>>account as the one used for the scheduled job.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>This is a frequent subject in this newsgroup and your feedback

>>>>>>>>>>would be appreciated.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>Just been away for 5 days holidays, during which time the backups

>>>>>>>>>on

>>>>>>>>>the

>>>>>>>>>two servers failed.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>Each night the script ran as a scheduled task, but the ntbackup

>>>>>>>>>routine

>>>>>>>>>itself did not. Again it just seems to think about running for 33

>>>>>>>>>minutes

>>>>>>>>>and then exits. However, there is no entry in the event log.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>Last night I RDC into each server in turn and waited. Both backups

>>>>>>>>>ran

>>>>>>>>>without any problems!

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>Don C

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>I built a small test server and using AT instead of Windows

>>>>>>>>Scheduler,

>>>>>>>>I

>>>>>>>>had the script successfully run 6 backups per day for the last three

>>>>>>>>days.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>However, in the live environment it still failed, again with this

>>>>>>>>strange

>>>>>>>>33 minutes in which ntback does not start properly.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>Today I re-booted both live servers and this evening the backups are

>>>>>>>>running!

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>Dare I breath? I am sure that one could die of frustration.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>Don C

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> It would appear that a re-boot allows the backup to complete once.

>>>>>>> Last

>>>>>>> night worked fine. This evening, again a 33 minute gap, no entry in

>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>> backup log and no "ntbackup" entry in the event log.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Don C

>>>>>>

>>>>>>This observation should enable to to sit down in front of the

>>>>>>machine and observe what's going on when it fails.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> The particular machines are 25 miles away.

>>>>> When I watch via RDC, they work.

>>>>>

>>>>> Don C

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>>A pragmatic solution might be:

>>>>- Launch a Remote Desktop connection shortly before the

>>>> backup is due to start. You can do this with a scheduled

>>>> task. AFAIR, you can use an rdp file that has the password

>>>> embedded as a hash value.

>>>> This approach will keep your backup going for a while.

>>>>- When you get the time, travel to that site to observe the process.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>

>>> Being on-site for the backups is unfortunately not an option, otherwise

>>> it

>>> would have been done.

>>> The Building is shutup tight at that time.

>>>

>>> I was considering just not logging out of the RDC session and seeing if

>>> that had the same effect as being connected.

>>>

>>> Don.

>>>

>>

>>Move the backup schedule!

>>

>>

>

> = User disruption, business loss

>

> Don

>

 

Mhm. How about running the job while the users are still logged

on? You need to be a little flexible!

Guest Donald Campbell

Guest Donald Campbell

Posted
Posted

Re: Ntbackup seems not to start properly 30 to 50% of the time.

 

In article <g8eM6pLJc7DIFAFr@suedonltd.demon.co.uk>, Donald Campbell

<Donald@suedon.co.uk> writes

>In article <R0EAY7Kg5jDIFAjM@suedonltd.demon.co.uk>, Donald Campbell

><Donald@suedon.co.uk> writes

>>In article <ofW9$xAN+ZCIFAu4@suedonltd.demon.co.uk>, Donald Campbell

>><Donald@suedon.co.uk> writes

>>>In article <uQ3z#pHnIHA.1204@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>, "Pegasus (MVP)"

>>><I.can@fly.com.oz> writes

>>>>

>>>>"Donald Campbell" <Donald@suedon.co.uk> wrote in message

>>>>news:1NHZmTBfno$HFAIP@suedonltd.demon.co.uk...

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Ntbackup seems not to start properly 30 to 50% of the time.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> I have a simple script running from scheduler. The script runs as

>>>>> expected, however, the ntback command in it does not always run properly.

>>>>>

>>>>> When it fails to run the log file is always empty and has a time stamp 33

>>>>> minutes after the start of the script. Also when it fails there are no

>>>>> entries for ntback in the event log.

>>>>>

>>>>> This happens on two separate Win2003 R2 server machines.

>>>>>

>>>>> There is a mention in technet that someone being logged in can cause

>>>>> random failures. In the case of these machines no-one is logged in and it

>>>>> is almost every other run that fails.

>>>>>

>>>>> Anyone any ideas?

>>>>>

>>>>> Don C

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> =====

>>>>> Script:

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> echo %date% %time% Start of B02 >> D:\ServerBackups\BKlog.log

>>>>> echo User=%UserName%, Path=%path% >> D:\ServerBackups\BKlog.log

>>>>>

>>>>> ntbackup backup "@D:\ServerBackups\CFP-BK01.bks" /m normal /P "4mm

>>>>> DDS" -j "CFPBackup" -d "CFPBackup" /v:yes /r:no /l:s /rs:no /SNAP:off /um

>>>>>

>>>>> echo %date% %time% End of B02 >> D:\ServerBackups\BKlog.log

>>>>>

>>>>> =====

>>>>> Log:

>>>>>

>>>>> 10/04/2008 19:30:00.23 Start of B02

>>>>> User=Administrator,

>>>>> Path=C:\WINDOWS\system32;C:\WINDOWS;C:\WINDOWS\System32\Wbem;C:\Program

>>>>> Files\Intel\DMIX;C:\Program Files\Gemplus\GemSafe Libraries\Bin;

>>>>> 10/04/2008 20:03:02.37 End of B02

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>>Since this happens quite often, you should try and watch what

>>>>happens. Set the scheduled backup time to some reasonable

>>>>hour, then start a console session a few minutes before the

>>>>scheduled start time, making sure to log on under the same

>>>>account as the one used for the scheduled job.

>>>>

>>>>This is a frequent subject in this newsgroup and your feedback

>>>>would be appreciated.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>

>>>Just been away for 5 days holidays, during which time the backups on

>>>the two servers failed.

>>>

>>>Each night the script ran as a scheduled task, but the ntbackup

>>>routine itself did not. Again it just seems to think about running

>>>for 33 minutes and then exits. However, there is no entry in the event log.

>>>

>>>Last night I RDC into each server in turn and waited. Both backups

>>>ran without any problems!

>>>

>>>Don C

>>>

>>>

>>

>>I built a small test server and using AT instead of Windows Scheduler,

>>I had the script successfully run 6 backups per day for the last three

>>days.

>>

>>However, in the live environment it still failed, again with this

>>strange 33 minutes in which ntback does not start properly.

>>

>>Today I re-booted both live servers and this evening the backups are

>>running!

>>

>>Dare I breath? I am sure that one could die of frustration.

>>

>>

>>Don C

>>

>

>It would appear that a re-boot allows the backup to complete once. Last

>night worked fine. This evening, again a 33 minute gap, no entry in the

>backup log and no "ntbackup" entry in the event log.

>

>Don C

 

According to Remote Storage it is waiting on a mount. I.e. it appears to

be ignoring the /UM and waiting for the last tape to be mounted again.

 

I did modify the script to do a dummy little backup and then do the main

backup. This evening the first dummy failed after 33 minutes and then

went onto the main event.

 

So why will it not do the first mount after a tape change?

 

Don C

Guest Pegasus \(MVP\)

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Re: Ntbackup seems not to start properly 30 to 50% of the time.

 

 

"Donald Campbell" <Donald@suedon.co.uk> wrote in message

news:AzU0Z3R8biEIFAJP@suedonltd.demon.co.uk...

> In article <g8eM6pLJc7DIFAFr@suedonltd.demon.co.uk>, Donald Campbell

> <Donald@suedon.co.uk> writes

>>In article <R0EAY7Kg5jDIFAjM@suedonltd.demon.co.uk>, Donald Campbell

>><Donald@suedon.co.uk> writes

>>>In article <ofW9$xAN+ZCIFAu4@suedonltd.demon.co.uk>, Donald Campbell

>>><Donald@suedon.co.uk> writes

>>>>In article <uQ3z#pHnIHA.1204@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>, "Pegasus (MVP)"

>>>><I.can@fly.com.oz> writes

>>>>>

>>>>>"Donald Campbell" <Donald@suedon.co.uk> wrote in message

>>>>>news:1NHZmTBfno$HFAIP@suedonltd.demon.co.uk...

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Ntbackup seems not to start properly 30 to 50% of the time.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I have a simple script running from scheduler. The script runs as

>>>>>> expected, however, the ntback command in it does not always run

>>>>>> properly.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> When it fails to run the log file is always empty and has a time

>>>>>> stamp 33

>>>>>> minutes after the start of the script. Also when it fails there are

>>>>>> no

>>>>>> entries for ntback in the event log.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> This happens on two separate Win2003 R2 server machines.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> There is a mention in technet that someone being logged in can cause

>>>>>> random failures. In the case of these machines no-one is logged in

>>>>>> and it

>>>>>> is almost every other run that fails.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Anyone any ideas?

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Don C

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> =====

>>>>>> Script:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> echo %date% %time% Start of B02 >> D:\ServerBackups\BKlog.log

>>>>>> echo User=%UserName%, Path=%path% >> D:\ServerBackups\BKlog.log

>>>>>>

>>>>>> ntbackup backup "@D:\ServerBackups\CFP-BK01.bks" /m normal /P "4mm

>>>>>> DDS" -j "CFPBackup" -d "CFPBackup" /v:yes /r:no /l:s /rs:no

>>>>>> /SNAP:off /um

>>>>>>

>>>>>> echo %date% %time% End of B02 >> D:\ServerBackups\BKlog.log

>>>>>>

>>>>>> =====

>>>>>> Log:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> 10/04/2008 19:30:00.23 Start of B02

>>>>>> User=Administrator,

>>>>>> Path=C:\WINDOWS\system32;C:\WINDOWS;C:\WINDOWS\System32\Wbem;C:\Program

>>>>>> Files\Intel\DMIX;C:\Program Files\Gemplus\GemSafe Libraries\Bin;

>>>>>> 10/04/2008 20:03:02.37 End of B02

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>Since this happens quite often, you should try and watch what

>>>>>happens. Set the scheduled backup time to some reasonable

>>>>>hour, then start a console session a few minutes before the

>>>>>scheduled start time, making sure to log on under the same

>>>>>account as the one used for the scheduled job.

>>>>>

>>>>>This is a frequent subject in this newsgroup and your feedback

>>>>>would be appreciated.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>>Just been away for 5 days holidays, during which time the backups on the

>>>>two servers failed.

>>>>

>>>>Each night the script ran as a scheduled task, but the ntbackup routine

>>>>itself did not. Again it just seems to think about running for 33

>>>>minutes and then exits. However, there is no entry in the event log.

>>>>

>>>>Last night I RDC into each server in turn and waited. Both backups ran

>>>>without any problems!

>>>>

>>>>Don C

>>>>

>>>>

>>>

>>>I built a small test server and using AT instead of Windows Scheduler, I

>>>had the script successfully run 6 backups per day for the last three

>>>days.

>>>

>>>However, in the live environment it still failed, again with this strange

>>>33 minutes in which ntback does not start properly.

>>>

>>>Today I re-booted both live servers and this evening the backups are

>>>running!

>>>

>>>Dare I breath? I am sure that one could die of frustration.

>>>

>>>

>>>Don C

>>>

>>

>>It would appear that a re-boot allows the backup to complete once. Last

>>night worked fine. This evening, again a 33 minute gap, no entry in the

>>backup log and no "ntbackup" entry in the event log.

>>

>>Don C

>

> According to Remote Storage it is waiting on a mount. I.e. it appears to

> be ignoring the /UM and waiting for the last tape to be mounted again.

>

> I did modify the script to do a dummy little backup and then do the main

> backup. This evening the first dummy failed after 33 minutes and then went

> onto the main event.

>

> So why will it not do the first mount after a tape change?

>

> Don C

>

 

I recently had a server that refused to process any tapes. The event

viewer had the message "RSM cannot manage library Tape0. The

database is corrupt." After deleting the database (and forcing a new

one to be created), things went back to normal. I'm afraid I can't

quote the KB article that gave me the relevant details.

Guest Hank Arnold (MVP)

Guest Hank Arnold (MVP)

Posted
Posted

Re: Ntbackup seems not to start properly 30 to 50% of the time.

 

Donald Campbell wrote:

> In article <O3XSgfipIHA.524@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>, "Pegasus (MVP)"

> <I.can@fly.com.oz> writes

>>

>> "Donald Campbell" <Donald@suedon.co.uk> wrote in message

>> news:g8eM6pLJc7DIFAFr@suedonltd.demon.co.uk...

>>> In article <R0EAY7Kg5jDIFAjM@suedonltd.demon.co.uk>, Donald Campbell

>>> <Donald@suedon.co.uk> writes

>>>> In article <ofW9$xAN+ZCIFAu4@suedonltd.demon.co.uk>, Donald Campbell

>>>> <Donald@suedon.co.uk> writes

>>>>> In article <uQ3z#pHnIHA.1204@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>, "Pegasus (MVP)"

>>>>> <I.can@fly.com.oz> writes

>>>>>>

>>>>>> "Donald Campbell" <Donald@suedon.co.uk> wrote in message

>>>>>> news:1NHZmTBfno$HFAIP@suedonltd.demon.co.uk...

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Ntbackup seems not to start properly 30 to 50% of the time.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I have a simple script running from scheduler. The script runs as

>>>>>>> expected, however, the ntback command in it does not always run

>>>>>>> properly.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> When it fails to run the log file is always empty and has a time

>>>>>>> stamp

>>>>>>> 33

>>>>>>> minutes after the start of the script. Also when it fails there

>>>>>>> are no

>>>>>>> entries for ntback in the event log.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> This happens on two separate Win2003 R2 server machines.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> There is a mention in technet that someone being logged in can cause

>>>>>>> random failures. In the case of these machines no-one is logged

>>>>>>> in and

>>>>>>> it

>>>>>>> is almost every other run that fails.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Anyone any ideas?

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Don C

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> =====

>>>>>>> Script:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> echo %date% %time% Start of B02 >> D:\ServerBackups\BKlog.log

>>>>>>> echo User=%UserName%, Path=%path% >> D:\ServerBackups\BKlog.log

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> ntbackup backup "@D:\ServerBackups\CFP-BK01.bks" /m normal /P "4mm

>>>>>>> DDS" -j "CFPBackup" -d "CFPBackup" /v:yes /r:no /l:s /rs:no

>>>>>>> /SNAP:off

>>>>>>> /um

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> echo %date% %time% End of B02 >> D:\ServerBackups\BKlog.log

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> =====

>>>>>>> Log:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> 10/04/2008 19:30:00.23 Start of B02

>>>>>>> User=Administrator,

>>>>>>> Path=C:\WINDOWS\system32;C:\WINDOWS;C:\WINDOWS\System32\Wbem;C:\Program

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Files\Intel\DMIX;C:\Program Files\Gemplus\GemSafe Libraries\Bin;

>>>>>>> 10/04/2008 20:03:02.37 End of B02

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Since this happens quite often, you should try and watch what

>>>>>> happens. Set the scheduled backup time to some reasonable

>>>>>> hour, then start a console session a few minutes before the

>>>>>> scheduled start time, making sure to log on under the same

>>>>>> account as the one used for the scheduled job.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> This is a frequent subject in this newsgroup and your feedback

>>>>>> would be appreciated.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Just been away for 5 days holidays, during which time the backups

>>>>> on the

>>>>> two servers failed.

>>>>>

>>>>> Each night the script ran as a scheduled task, but the ntbackup

>>>>> routine

>>>>> itself did not. Again it just seems to think about running for 33

>>>>> minutes

>>>>> and then exits. However, there is no entry in the event log.

>>>>>

>>>>> Last night I RDC into each server in turn and waited. Both backups ran

>>>>> without any problems!

>>>>>

>>>>> Don C

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>> I built a small test server and using AT instead of Windows

>>>> Scheduler, I

>>>> had the script successfully run 6 backups per day for the last three

>>>> days.

>>>>

>>>> However, in the live environment it still failed, again with this

>>>> strange

>>>> 33 minutes in which ntback does not start properly.

>>>>

>>>> Today I re-booted both live servers and this evening the backups are

>>>> running!

>>>>

>>>> Dare I breath? I am sure that one could die of frustration.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Don C

>>>>

>>>

>>> It would appear that a re-boot allows the backup to complete once. Last

>>> night worked fine. This evening, again a 33 minute gap, no entry in the

>>> backup log and no "ntbackup" entry in the event log.

>>>

>>> Don C

>>

>> This observation should enable to to sit down in front of the

>> machine and observe what's going on when it fails.

>>

>>

>

> The particular machines are 25 miles away.

> When I watch via RDC, they work.

>

> Don C

>

In the Scheduler window. check the log there. It may give a clue as to

why the job is failing.

 

--

 

Regards,

Hank Arnold

Microsoft MVP

Windows Server - Directory Services

Guest Donald Campbell

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Re: Ntbackup seems not to start properly 30 to 50% of the time.

 

In article <AzU0Z3R8biEIFAJP@suedonltd.demon.co.uk>, Donald Campbell

<Donald@suedon.co.uk> writes

>In article <g8eM6pLJc7DIFAFr@suedonltd.demon.co.uk>, Donald Campbell

><Donald@suedon.co.uk> writes

>>In article <R0EAY7Kg5jDIFAjM@suedonltd.demon.co.uk>, Donald Campbell

>><Donald@suedon.co.uk> writes

>>>In article <ofW9$xAN+ZCIFAu4@suedonltd.demon.co.uk>, Donald Campbell

>>><Donald@suedon.co.uk> writes

>>>>In article <uQ3z#pHnIHA.1204@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>, "Pegasus (MVP)"

>>>><I.can@fly.com.oz> writes

>>>>>

>>>>>"Donald Campbell" <Donald@suedon.co.uk> wrote in message

>>>>>news:1NHZmTBfno$HFAIP@suedonltd.demon.co.uk...

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Ntbackup seems not to start properly 30 to 50% of the time.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I have a simple script running from scheduler. The script runs as

>>>>>> expected, however, the ntback command in it does not always run properly.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> When it fails to run the log file is always empty and has a time stamp 33

>>>>>> minutes after the start of the script. Also when it fails there are no

>>>>>> entries for ntback in the event log.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> This happens on two separate Win2003 R2 server machines.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> There is a mention in technet that someone being logged in can cause

>>>>>> random failures. In the case of these machines no-one is logged in and it

>>>>>> is almost every other run that fails.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Anyone any ideas?

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Don C

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> =====

>>>>>> Script:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> echo %date% %time% Start of B02 >> D:\ServerBackups\BKlog.log

>>>>>> echo User=%UserName%, Path=%path% >> D:\ServerBackups\BKlog.log

>>>>>>

>>>>>> ntbackup backup "@D:\ServerBackups\CFP-BK01.bks" /m normal /P "4mm

>>>>>> DDS" -j "CFPBackup" -d "CFPBackup" /v:yes /r:no /l:s /rs:no

>>>>>>/SNAP:off /um

>>>>>>

>>>>>> echo %date% %time% End of B02 >> D:\ServerBackups\BKlog.log

>>>>>>

>>>>>> =====

>>>>>> Log:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> 10/04/2008 19:30:00.23 Start of B02

>>>>>> User=Administrator,

>>>>>> Path=C:\WINDOWS\system32;C:\WINDOWS;C:\WINDOWS\System32\Wbem;C:\Program

>>>>>> Files\Intel\DMIX;C:\Program Files\Gemplus\GemSafe Libraries\Bin;

>>>>>> 10/04/2008 20:03:02.37 End of B02

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>Since this happens quite often, you should try and watch what

>>>>>happens. Set the scheduled backup time to some reasonable

>>>>>hour, then start a console session a few minutes before the

>>>>>scheduled start time, making sure to log on under the same

>>>>>account as the one used for the scheduled job.

>>>>>

>>>>>This is a frequent subject in this newsgroup and your feedback

>>>>>would be appreciated.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>>Just been away for 5 days holidays, during which time the backups on

>>>>the two servers failed.

>>>>

>>>>Each night the script ran as a scheduled task, but the ntbackup

>>>>routine itself did not. Again it just seems to think about running

>>>>minutes and then exits. However, there is no entry in the event log.

>>>>

>>>>Last night I RDC into each server in turn and waited. Both backups

>>>>ran without any problems!

>>>>

>>>>Don C

>>>>

>>>>

>>>

>>>I built a small test server and using AT instead of Windows

>>>Scheduler, I had the script successfully run 6 backups per day for

>>>the last three days.

>>>

>>>However, in the live environment it still failed, again with this

>>>strange 33 minutes in which ntback does not start properly.

>>>

>>>Today I re-booted both live servers and this evening the backups are

>>>running!

>>>

>>>Dare I breath? I am sure that one could die of frustration.

>>>

>>>

>>>Don C

>>>

>>

>>It would appear that a re-boot allows the backup to complete once.

>>Last night worked fine. This evening, again a 33 minute gap, no entry

>>in the backup log and no "ntbackup" entry in the event log.

>>

>>Don C

>

>According to Remote Storage it is waiting on a mount. I.e. it appears

>to be ignoring the /UM and waiting for the last tape to be mounted

>again.

>

>I did modify the script to do a dummy little backup and then do the

>main backup. This evening the first dummy failed after 33 minutes and

>then went onto the main event.

>

>So why will it not do the first mount after a tape change?

>

>Don C

>

 

With the inclusion of an RSM refresh statement before starting the

backup, one site is working. With the inclusion of am RSM eject after

the backup, the other site is now working.

 

I need to wait until they have worked consistently for a couple of weeks

before I declare success, but it is looking good so far.

 

Don C

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Re: Ntbackup seems not to start properly 30 to 50% of the time.

 

>

>

> With the inclusion of an RSM refresh statement before starting the backup,

> one site is working. With the inclusion of am RSM eject after the backup,

> the other site is now working.

>

> I need to wait until they have worked consistently for a couple of weeks

> before I declare success, but it is looking good so far.

>

> Don C

>

 

Thanks for the update.

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