Random crashes - please help?

[Guest thx1138xxix@yahoo.com]

Hello,

 

I was hoping someone in here could help me with a problem I've been

having with my computer crashing.

 

I'm not ~exactly~ sure when this all started, but it was well over a

year ago (my computer is about 4 years old). About every 30 days or so

my computer would just restart. I didn't think much of it since it

only happened about once a month. But then it started happening more

often. So I turned off the auto-restarts and started looking at the

BSOD's and sending error reports to Microsoft.

 

The BSOD's weren't always the same.. I'd get anything from

DRIVER_IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL, PAGEFAULT_IN_A_NON_PAGED_AREA, or

something else. And it's VERY random! Sometime I'll get a BSOD after 2

days.. sometimes in a week.. the longest I've gone without a blue

screen is 42 days.

 

A couple times the error report said that it was my anti-virus program

causing the problem. The computer came with Norton AV 2000 installed.

But when the subscription ran out.. I uninstalled Norton and installed

Avast. Microsoft advised that I check services to see if I don't have

two AV programs running at the same time. I have AVG Anti Spyware and

Spybot S&D installed which are compatible with Avast. So that can't be

the problem. I've also been told it might be a memory problem.. or a

driver problem.

 

The last BSOD said that the crash was caused by a device driver.. but

how can I find out ~which~ driver? I looked at the event viewer and

this is what was in it..

 

 

Event Type: Error

Event Source: System Error

Event Category: (102)

Event ID: 1003

Date: 4/12/2008

Time: 1:33:01 PM

User: N/A

Description:

Error code 1000000a, parameter1 00000004, parameter2 0000001c,

parameter3 00000001, parameter4 804e1476.

 

 

I've been researching this problem online for so long.. but can't seem

to narrow down what the problem could be. Could anyone please help?

I'm at wits end.

 

Any advice will be greatly appreciated!!

 

Some info on my system:

 

It's a Pentium IV 2.80Ghz

504 MB of Ram and a 160 GB hard drive

Running Windows XP Home Edition (v.2002) Service Pack 2

[Guest Malke]

Re: Random crashes - please help?

 

thx1138xxix@yahoo.com wrote:

> Hello,

>

> I was hoping someone in here could help me with a problem I've been

> having with my computer crashing.

>

> I'm not ~exactly~ sure when this all started, but it was well over a

> year ago (my computer is about 4 years old). About every 30 days or so

> my computer would just restart. I didn't think much of it since it

> only happened about once a month. But then it started happening more

> often. So I turned off the auto-restarts and started looking at the

> BSOD's and sending error reports to Microsoft.

>

> The BSOD's weren't always the same.. I'd get anything from

> DRIVER_IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL, PAGEFAULT_IN_A_NON_PAGED_AREA, or

> something else. And it's VERY random! Sometime I'll get a BSOD after 2

> days.. sometimes in a week.. the longest I've gone without a blue

> screen is 42 days.

>

> A couple times the error report said that it was my anti-virus program

> causing the problem. The computer came with Norton AV 2000 installed.

> But when the subscription ran out.. I uninstalled Norton and installed

> Avast. Microsoft advised that I check services to see if I don't have

> two AV programs running at the same time. I have AVG Anti Spyware and

> Spybot S&D installed which are compatible with Avast. So that can't be

> the problem. I've also been told it might be a memory problem.. or a

> driver problem.

>

> The last BSOD said that the crash was caused by a device driver.. but

> how can I find out ~which~ driver? I looked at the event viewer and

> this is what was in it..

>

>

> Event Type: Error

> Event Source: System Error

> Event Category: (102)

> Event ID: 1003

> Date: 4/12/2008

> Time: 1:33:01 PM

> User: N/A

> Description:

> Error code 1000000a, parameter1 00000004, parameter2 0000001c,

> parameter3 00000001, parameter4 804e1476.

>

>

> I've been researching this problem online for so long.. but can't seem

> to narrow down what the problem could be. Could anyone please help?

> I'm at wits end.

>

> Any advice will be greatly appreciated!!

>

> Some info on my system:

>

> It's a Pentium IV 2.80Ghz

> 504 MB of Ram and a 160 GB hard drive

> Running Windows XP Home Edition (v.2002) Service Pack 2

 

You've done a great job of troubleshooting this. Thanks for giving all the

excellent detail. Because the failures are random and because the Stop

Errors are different, I would look to hardware failure first as the cause.

 

I would start by testing the RAM and then the hard drive. This link will

show you how:

 

http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/page2.html#Hardware_Tshoot

 

Also make sure the computer isn't overheating. When was the last time you

cleaned out all the dust bunnehs?

 

Malke

--

MS-MVP

Elephant Boy Computers

http://www.elephantboycomputers.com

Don't Panic!

[Guest thx1138xxix@yahoo.com]

Re: Random crashes - please help?

 

On Apr 12, 3:18 pm, Malke <ma...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> You've done a great job of troubleshooting this. Thanks for giving all the

> excellent detail. Because the failures are random and because the Stop

> Errors are different, I would look to hardware failure first as the cause.

>

> I would start by testing the RAM and then the hard drive. This link will

> show you how:

>

> http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/page2.html#Hardware_Tshoot

>

> Also make sure the computer isn't overheating. When was the last time you

> cleaned out all the dust bunnehs?

 

Hello Malke

 

Thank you so much for your reply!

 

I haven't tested the RAM yet, but I have cleaned out the tower.

Although that was about six months ago and perhaps I didn't do a

thorough job.. I'll have to do that again.

 

I can't be certain if the computer is overheating, how would I know?

The fans all seem to be operating properly as far as I can tell.

 

I had someone check the last two minidump files my computer made and

he found this..

 

"Probably caused by : Teefer.sys ( Teefer+adc6 " - Teefer.sys is a

part of Sygate firewall.

 

And the second one "Probably caused by : aswMon2.SYS ( aswMon2+350f )"

aswMon2.SYS is an Avast component.

 

Now I'm more confused than I was before, I mean if these files are the

probable cause of my blue screens.. then one would assume that all I

need to do is uninstall both Avast and Sygate and all will be fine,

correct?

 

However, I've been using the Sygate firewall since I first bought my

computer 4 years ago.. and didn't have any blue screens for a good two

years ( I chose Sygate because it seemed to be the less buggy of all

the free firewall programs). And I know many people who use Avast and

have no problem with it.

 

Also, if these programs were the source of my problems.. wouldn't my

system crash more often? Even though my system has been crashing more

frequetly lately .. I've gone so long as 42 days with ~no~ problems..

and these programs are ~always~ running in the background.

 

Even though the minidumps point to these files as the probable source

of my problem.. could it be possible it's something else? If so.. how

can I find out what it could be?

 

So now I don't know what to do now.. what would be my next course of

action? Anyone?

[Guest Malke]

Re: Random crashes - please help?

 

thx1138xxix@yahoo.com wrote:

> On Apr 12, 3:18 pm, Malke <ma...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>

>> You've done a great job of troubleshooting this. Thanks for giving all

>> the excellent detail. Because the failures are random and because the

>> Stop Errors are different, I would look to hardware failure first as the

>> cause.

>>

>> I would start by testing the RAM and then the hard drive. This link will

>> show you how:

>>

>> http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/page2.html#Hardware_Tshoot

>>

>> Also make sure the computer isn't overheating. When was the last time you

>> cleaned out all the dust bunnehs?

>

> Hello Malke

>

> Thank you so much for your reply!

>

> I haven't tested the RAM yet, but I have cleaned out the tower.

> Although that was about six months ago and perhaps I didn't do a

> thorough job.. I'll have to do that again.

>

> I can't be certain if the computer is overheating, how would I know?

> The fans all seem to be operating properly as far as I can tell.

>

> I had someone check the last two minidump files my computer made and

> he found this..

>

> "Probably caused by : Teefer.sys ( Teefer+adc6 " - Teefer.sys is a

> part of Sygate firewall.

>

> And the second one "Probably caused by : aswMon2.SYS ( aswMon2+350f )"

> aswMon2.SYS is an Avast component.

>

> Now I'm more confused than I was before, I mean if these files are the

> probable cause of my blue screens.. then one would assume that all I

> need to do is uninstall both Avast and Sygate and all will be fine,

> correct?

>

> However, I've been using the Sygate firewall since I first bought my

> computer 4 years ago.. and didn't have any blue screens for a good two

> years ( I chose Sygate because it seemed to be the less buggy of all

> the free firewall programs). And I know many people who use Avast and

> have no problem with it.

>

> Also, if these programs were the source of my problems.. wouldn't my

> system crash more often? Even though my system has been crashing more

> frequetly lately .. I've gone so long as 42 days with ~no~ problems..

> and these programs are ~always~ running in the background.

>

> Even though the minidumps point to these files as the probable source

> of my problem.. could it be possible it's something else? If so.. how

> can I find out what it could be?

>

> So now I don't know what to do now.. what would be my next course of

> action? Anyone?

 

Well, your next course of action is to uninstall Sygate and Avast since you

have some information pointing to those programs! Both firewalls and

antivirus programs use low-level drivers and can cause problems. I also

used Sygate on my Windows machines for years but found that it started

causing issues. I don't know if it was a combination of updates, other

software, whatever, but I uninstalled Sygate on all my Windows boxen and

have had no issues with network connectivity since then.

 

I like Avast and use it on my Windows machines and for clients who want a

free antivirus (NOD32 for a paid one). Occasionally I'll run across a

machine where Avast just won't play nicely. This can happen with other

antivirus programs, too.

 

So uninstall Sygate and use the built-in XP firewall, which is adequate for

most people. Disconnect from the Internet and run your computer for a

useful period of time without installing a different antivirus. If all is

well, then try another AV program. As I said, I really like NOD32 but if

you want a free program aside from Avast, try Avira. Lots of people like

AVG; I'm not fond of it any more but others whom I respect still like it.

 

Malke

--

MS-MVP

Elephant Boy Computers

http://www.elephantboycomputers.com

Don't Panic!

[Guest Colin Barnhorst]

Re: Random crashes - please help?

 

A Pentium 4 generally benefits from a thermally advantaged case (search

Intel's website on "thermally advantaged" for the specs) with a full set of

case fans. You should be able to download a utility from the mobo

manufacturer's website to monitor the cpu temps. The ambient temp is harder

to monitor, but cleaning out the data bunnies is important and the use of

rounded cables instead of ribbon cables for the hard drives and optical

drives to increase airflow inside the box is also a good idea. Make sure

the case is off the floor (I use a simple caddy) and that there are several

inches of free space on all sides of the box.

 

<thx1138xxix@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:d284dd11-d6a5-4702-92c1-d738315d3876@1g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

On Apr 12, 3:18 pm, Malke <ma...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> You've done a great job of troubleshooting this. Thanks for giving all the

> excellent detail. Because the failures are random and because the Stop

> Errors are different, I would look to hardware failure first as the cause.

>

> I would start by testing the RAM and then the hard drive. This link will

> show you how:

>

> http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/page2.html#Hardware_Tshoot

>

> Also make sure the computer isn't overheating. When was the last time you

> cleaned out all the dust bunnehs?

 

Hello Malke

 

Thank you so much for your reply!

 

I haven't tested the RAM yet, but I have cleaned out the tower.

Although that was about six months ago and perhaps I didn't do a

thorough job.. I'll have to do that again.

 

I can't be certain if the computer is overheating, how would I know?

The fans all seem to be operating properly as far as I can tell.

 

I had someone check the last two minidump files my computer made and

he found this..

 

"Probably caused by : Teefer.sys ( Teefer+adc6 " - Teefer.sys is a

part of Sygate firewall.

 

And the second one "Probably caused by : aswMon2.SYS ( aswMon2+350f )"

aswMon2.SYS is an Avast component.

 

Now I'm more confused than I was before, I mean if these files are the

probable cause of my blue screens.. then one would assume that all I

need to do is uninstall both Avast and Sygate and all will be fine,

correct?

 

However, I've been using the Sygate firewall since I first bought my

computer 4 years ago.. and didn't have any blue screens for a good two

years ( I chose Sygate because it seemed to be the less buggy of all

the free firewall programs). And I know many people who use Avast and

have no problem with it.

 

Also, if these programs were the source of my problems.. wouldn't my

system crash more often? Even though my system has been crashing more

frequetly lately .. I've gone so long as 42 days with ~no~ problems..

and these programs are ~always~ running in the background.

 

Even though the minidumps point to these files as the probable source

of my problem.. could it be possible it's something else? If so.. how

can I find out what it could be?

 

So now I don't know what to do now.. what would be my next course of

action? Anyone?

[Guest thx1138xxix@yahoo.com]

Re: Random crashes - please help?

 

On Apr 15, 7:29 pm, Malke <ma...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> Well, your next course of action is to uninstall Sygate and Avast since you

> have some information pointing to those programs! Both firewalls and

> antivirus programs use low-level drivers and can cause problems. I also

> used Sygate on my Windows machines for years but found that it started

> causing issues. I don't know if it was a combination of updates, other

> software, whatever, but I uninstalled Sygate on all my Windows boxen and

> have had no issues with network connectivity since then.

>

> I like Avast and use it on my Windows machines and for clients who want a

> free antivirus (NOD32 for a paid one). Occasionally I'll run across a

> machine where Avast just won't play nicely. This can happen with other

> antivirus programs, too.

>

> So uninstall Sygate and use the built-in XP firewall, which is adequate for

> most people. Disconnect from the Internet and run your computer for a

> useful period of time without installing a different antivirus. If all is

> well, then try another AV program. As I said, I really like NOD32 but if

> you want a free program aside from Avast, try Avira. Lots of people like

> AVG; I'm not fond of it any more but others whom I respect still like it.

>

> Malke

> --

> MS-MVP

> Elephant Boy Computerswww.elephantboycomputers.com

> Don't Panic!

 

Hi Malke

 

I'm slowly ruling things out. I ran the Windows Memory Diagnostic for

a few hours.. and there were no errors. I still need to clean out my

tower, which I'll probably do this weekend.

 

I also tried things like disabling hyperthreading (which I heard can

cause BSOD's).. didn't help so I turned it back on. I deleted my old

pagefile.sys and created a new one thinking maybe the virual memory

got corrupted. I also tried turning off the indexing service which I

heard can cause a system to crash. None of these seemed to help.

 

I'd ~really~ hate to uninstall Sygate because for one.. I do not like

the idea of going online without a firewall ( XP's just monitors

incoming data.. not outgoing ). And two, I'm ~very~ used to Sygate. If

I were to uninstall it.. I would need a substitute. I just don't feel

safe online without a firewall. And the choice of good free ones are

pretty slim.

 

Same goes for an anti-virus program. I don't download a lot of

programs.. and when I do 99% of the time it's from a trusted source.

And when I browse the web.. I tend to stay away from sites I don't

trust. But nonetheless.. I feel more secure with an AV program running

in the background. So as with Sygate.. if I were to uninstall Avast..

I'd most definitely need a replacement.

 

So, if I don't find any solutions and my system continues to crash

frequently.. as a last resort I'll uninstall Sygate and find a new

firewall. And if the problem still persists.. I'll then uninstall

Avast and find another AV program.

 

Thanks again for replying!

 

ps) Any other advice will be greatly appreciated!

[Guest thx1138xxix@yahoo.com]

Re: Random crashes - please help?

 

On Apr 15, 8:53 pm, "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnho...@comcast.net> wrote:

> A Pentium 4 generally benefits from a thermally advantaged case (search

> Intel's website on "thermally advantaged" for the specs) with a full set of

> case fans.  You should be able to download a utility from the mobo

> manufacturer's website to monitor the cpu temps.  The ambient temp is harder

> to monitor, but cleaning out the data bunnies is important and the use of

> rounded cables instead of ribbon cables for the hard drives and optical

> drives to increase airflow inside the box is also a good idea.  Make sure

> the case is off the floor (I use a simple caddy) and that there are several

> inches of free space on all sides of the box.

 

Hi Colin

 

Thank you for the reply! I will do as you suggested and do a search

for a thermally advantaged case.. and I'll definitely clean out my

tower when I get a chance.

 

Just out of curiosity, if my system's problem ~is~ heat related..

would a mini dump falsely point to a file or driver being the source

of the problem?

[Guest Guardian]

Re: Random crashes - please help?

 

I think your problem is HDD related, i give you a 5% chance to be heat

related, another 5% to be just windows (have you tried to reinstall

windows??), and about 90% to be your HDD. Try EasyRecovery Professional if u

can get your hands on it, or any other HDD diagnostic program.

 

Hope this helps..

 

Guardian