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Re: Windows Live - no more Outlook Express

 

PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:

| MEB wrote:

| <snip>

|> Moreover, as we are also presently discussing this in the OE news

|> group [soon to be defunct apparently]...

|

| Neither OE nor the OE newsgroups are "soon to be defunct."

|

| Although MS stopped all development of OE in 2006 (...), support for

| OE (i.e., critical security updates) will continue as long as the OS

| in which OE is running is supported. Although (twice-)Extended

| Support for Win9x ended in July 2006, WinXP SP3 will be supported

| through 2014.

|

| That being said and although MS has said nothing publically about

| this, I wouldn't be surprised if the little-trafficked

| microsoft.public.win98.internet.outlookexpress newsgroup disappeared

| from the MS newsserver soon.

 

PA! Where is MEB? Have you & that MS personage Scott Hammer sent him to

oblivion at an irradiated, disappearing, booby-trapped NG!!??

 

| --

| OE-specific newsgroup:

| http://news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general

|

| ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

| MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002

 

--

Thanks or Good Luck,

There may be humor in this post, and,

Naturally, you will not sue,

Should things get worse after this,

PCR

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Guest PA Bear [MS MVP]

Guest PA Bear [MS MVP]

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Re: Windows Live - no more Outlook Express

 

Prolly tilting at another windmill.

 

PCR wrote:

> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:

>> MEB wrote:

>> <snip>

>>> Moreover, as we are also presently discussing this in the OE news

>>> group [soon to be defunct apparently]...

>>

>> Neither OE nor the OE newsgroups are "soon to be defunct."

>>

>> Although MS stopped all development of OE in 2006 (...), support for

>> OE (i.e., critical security updates) will continue as long as the OS

>> in which OE is running is supported. Although (twice-)Extended

>> Support for Win9x ended in July 2006, WinXP SP3 will be supported

>> through 2014.

>>

>> That being said and although MS has said nothing publically about

>> this, I wouldn't be surprised if the little-trafficked

>> microsoft.public.win98.internet.outlookexpress newsgroup disappeared

>> from the MS newsserver soon.

>

> PA! Where is MEB? Have you & that MS personage Scott Hammer sent him to

> oblivion at an irradiated, disappearing, booby-trapped NG!!??

>

>> --

>> OE-specific newsgroup:

>> http://news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general

>>

>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002

Guest PCR

Guest PCR

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Re: Windows Live - no more Outlook Express

 

PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:

| Prolly tilting at another windmill.

 

Well, I don't know enough about Windows Live to say whether he faces a

real problem with the new MS policy. (I never used it, & it looks to be

too complex to quickly fathom.) Sounds like he's got a lot of data he

fears he may lose. It's in yours & Hammer's hands! And MEB's!

 

| PCR wrote:

|> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:

|>> MEB wrote:

|>> <snip>

|>>> Moreover, as we are also presently discussing this in the OE news

|>>> group [soon to be defunct apparently]...

|>>

|>> Neither OE nor the OE newsgroups are "soon to be defunct."

|>>

|>> Although MS stopped all development of OE in 2006 (...), support for

|>> OE (i.e., critical security updates) will continue as long as the OS

|>> in which OE is running is supported. Although (twice-)Extended

|>> Support for Win9x ended in July 2006, WinXP SP3 will be supported

|>> through 2014.

|>>

|>> That being said and although MS has said nothing publically about

|>> this, I wouldn't be surprised if the little-trafficked

|>> microsoft.public.win98.internet.outlookexpress newsgroup disappeared

|>> from the MS newsserver soon.

|>

|> PA! Where is MEB? Have you & that MS personage Scott Hammer sent him

|> to oblivion at an irradiated, disappearing, booby-trapped NG!!??

|>

|>> --

|>> OE-specific newsgroup:

|>> http://news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general

|>>

|>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

|>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002

 

--

Thanks or Good Luck,

There may be humor in this post, and,

Naturally, you will not sue,

Should things get worse after this,

PCR

pcrrcp@netzero.net

Guest PA Bear [MS MVP]

Guest PA Bear [MS MVP]

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Re: Windows Live - no more Outlook Express

 

If he's still running Win98, he /will/ lose access to all Hotmail folders in

OE after 30 June 2008, as will anyone else running Win9x or Win2K. Those

running WinXP have several options.

 

PCR wrote:

> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:

>> Prolly tilting at another windmill.

>

> Well, I don't know enough about Windows Live to say whether he faces a

> real problem with the new MS policy. (I never used it, & it looks to be

> too complex to quickly fathom.) Sounds like he's got a lot of data he

> fears he may lose. It's in yours & Hammer's hands! And MEB's!

>

>> PCR wrote:

>>> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:

>>>> MEB wrote:

>>>> <snip>

>>>>> Moreover, as we are also presently discussing this in the OE news

>>>>> group [soon to be defunct apparently]...

>>>>

>>>> Neither OE nor the OE newsgroups are "soon to be defunct."

>>>>

>>>> Although MS stopped all development of OE in 2006 (...), support for

>>>> OE (i.e., critical security updates) will continue as long as the OS

>>>> in which OE is running is supported. Although (twice-)Extended

>>>> Support for Win9x ended in July 2006, WinXP SP3 will be supported

>>>> through 2014.

>>>>

>>>> That being said and although MS has said nothing publically about

>>>> this, I wouldn't be surprised if the little-trafficked

>>>> microsoft.public.win98.internet.outlookexpress newsgroup disappeared

>>>> from the MS newsserver soon.

>>>

>>> PA! Where is MEB? Have you & that MS personage Scott Hammer sent him

>>> to oblivion at an irradiated, disappearing, booby-trapped NG!!??

>>>

>>>> --

>>>> OE-specific newsgroup:

>>>> http://news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general

>>>>

>>>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

>>>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002

Guest PCR

Guest PCR

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Re: Windows Live - no more Outlook Express

 

PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:

| If he's still running Win98, he /will/ lose access to all Hotmail

| folders in OE after 30 June 2008, as will anyone else running Win9x

| or Win2K. Those running WinXP have several options.

 

Uh-oh-- that's no Cervantes windmill, then! But you &/or Hammer told him

how to save it, right? (I didn't quite get it.)

 

| PCR wrote:

|> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:

|>> Prolly tilting at another windmill.

|>

|> Well, I don't know enough about Windows Live to say whether he faces

|> a real problem with the new MS policy. (I never used it, & it looks

|> to be too complex to quickly fathom.) Sounds like he's got a lot of

|> data he fears he may lose. It's in yours & Hammer's hands! And MEB's!

|>

|>> PCR wrote:

|>>> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:

|>>>> MEB wrote:

|>>>> <snip>

|>>>>> Moreover, as we are also presently discussing this in the OE news

|>>>>> group [soon to be defunct apparently]...

|>>>>

|>>>> Neither OE nor the OE newsgroups are "soon to be defunct."

|>>>>

|>>>> Although MS stopped all development of OE in 2006 (...), support

|>>>> for OE (i.e., critical security updates) will continue as long as

|>>>> the OS in which OE is running is supported. Although

|>>>> (twice-)Extended Support for Win9x ended in July 2006, WinXP SP3

|>>>> will be supported through 2014.

|>>>>

|>>>> That being said and although MS has said nothing publically about

|>>>> this, I wouldn't be surprised if the little-trafficked

|>>>> microsoft.public.win98.internet.outlookexpress newsgroup

|>>>> disappeared from the MS newsserver soon.

|>>>

|>>> PA! Where is MEB? Have you & that MS personage Scott Hammer sent

|>>> him to oblivion at an irradiated, disappearing, booby-trapped

|>>> NG!!??

|>>>

|>>>> --

|>>>> OE-specific newsgroup:

|>>>>

http://news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general

|>>>>

|>>>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

|>>>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002

 

--

Thanks or Good Luck,

There may be humor in this post, and,

Naturally, you will not sue,

Should things get worse after this,

PCR

pcrrcp@netzero.net

Guest MEB

Guest MEB

Posted
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Re: Windows Live - no more Outlook Express

 

Nope, still waiting for Scott or Live to respond...

 

Not a windmill PA, but a real possibility. Particularly as Microsoft is

attempting the take over of Yahoo. Might have bearing with the FTC as well.

 

Microsoft isn't god after all...Injunctions have been issued for far less

than what is presently proposed.

 

--

MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

--

_________

 

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

news:OaB6HgnqIHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

| PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:

| | If he's still running Win98, he /will/ lose access to all Hotmail

| | folders in OE after 30 June 2008, as will anyone else running Win9x

| | or Win2K. Those running WinXP have several options.

|

| Uh-oh-- that's no Cervantes windmill, then! But you &/or Hammer told him

| how to save it, right? (I didn't quite get it.)

|

| | PCR wrote:

| |> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:

| |>> Prolly tilting at another windmill.

| |>

| |> Well, I don't know enough about Windows Live to say whether he faces

| |> a real problem with the new MS policy. (I never used it, & it looks

| |> to be too complex to quickly fathom.) Sounds like he's got a lot of

| |> data he fears he may lose. It's in yours & Hammer's hands! And MEB's!

| |>

| |>> PCR wrote:

| |>>> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:

| |>>>> MEB wrote:

| |>>>> <snip>

| |>>>>> Moreover, as we are also presently discussing this in the OE news

| |>>>>> group [soon to be defunct apparently]...

| |>>>>

| |>>>> Neither OE nor the OE newsgroups are "soon to be defunct."

| |>>>>

| |>>>> Although MS stopped all development of OE in 2006 (...), support

| |>>>> for OE (i.e., critical security updates) will continue as long as

| |>>>> the OS in which OE is running is supported. Although

| |>>>> (twice-)Extended Support for Win9x ended in July 2006, WinXP SP3

| |>>>> will be supported through 2014.

| |>>>>

| |>>>> That being said and although MS has said nothing publically about

| |>>>> this, I wouldn't be surprised if the little-trafficked

| |>>>> microsoft.public.win98.internet.outlookexpress newsgroup

| |>>>> disappeared from the MS newsserver soon.

| |>>>

| |>>> PA! Where is MEB? Have you & that MS personage Scott Hammer sent

| |>>> him to oblivion at an irradiated, disappearing, booby-trapped

| |>>> NG!!??

| |>>>

| |>>>> --

| |>>>> OE-specific newsgroup:

| |>>>>

| http://news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general

| |>>>>

| |>>>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

| |>>>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002

|

| --

| Thanks or Good Luck,

| There may be humor in this post, and,

| Naturally, you will not sue,

| Should things get worse after this,

| PCR

| pcrrcp@netzero.net

|

|

Guest Gary S. Terhune

Guest Gary S. Terhune

Posted
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Re: Windows Live - no more Outlook Express

 

And, since I didn't quite catch this part, the way to do that is to what,

"move" or "copy" them to local OE folders? Or is HM/Live so screwed up that

even that doesn't work?

 

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://www.grystmill.com

 

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:OZTfsZnqIHA.3804@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> If he's still running Win98, he /will/ lose access to all Hotmail folders

> in OE after 30 June 2008, as will anyone else running Win9x or Win2K.

> Those running WinXP have several options.

>

> PCR wrote:

>> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:

>>> Prolly tilting at another windmill.

>>

>> Well, I don't know enough about Windows Live to say whether he faces a

>> real problem with the new MS policy. (I never used it, & it looks to be

>> too complex to quickly fathom.) Sounds like he's got a lot of data he

>> fears he may lose. It's in yours & Hammer's hands! And MEB's!

>>

>>> PCR wrote:

>>>> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:

>>>>> MEB wrote:

>>>>> <snip>

>>>>>> Moreover, as we are also presently discussing this in the OE news

>>>>>> group [soon to be defunct apparently]...

>>>>>

>>>>> Neither OE nor the OE newsgroups are "soon to be defunct."

>>>>>

>>>>> Although MS stopped all development of OE in 2006 (...), support for

>>>>> OE (i.e., critical security updates) will continue as long as the OS

>>>>> in which OE is running is supported. Although (twice-)Extended

>>>>> Support for Win9x ended in July 2006, WinXP SP3 will be supported

>>>>> through 2014.

>>>>>

>>>>> That being said and although MS has said nothing publically about

>>>>> this, I wouldn't be surprised if the little-trafficked

>>>>> microsoft.public.win98.internet.outlookexpress newsgroup disappeared

>>>>> from the MS newsserver soon.

>>>>

>>>> PA! Where is MEB? Have you & that MS personage Scott Hammer sent him

>>>> to oblivion at an irradiated, disappearing, booby-trapped NG!!??

>>>>

>>>>> --

>>>>> OE-specific newsgroup:

>>>>> http://news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general

>>>>>

>>>>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

>>>>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002

>

Guest Frank Saunders MS-MVP IE,OE/WM

Guest Frank Saunders MS-MVP IE,OE/WM

Posted
Posted

Re: Windows Live - no more Outlook Express

 

Make a local folder for the purpose and drag the to it.

 

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

news:u6i6SIuqIHA.3900@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> And, since I didn't quite catch this part, the way to do that is to what,

> "move" or "copy" them to local OE folders? Or is HM/Live so screwed up

> that even that doesn't work?

>

> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

> news:OZTfsZnqIHA.3804@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>> If he's still running Win98, he /will/ lose access to all Hotmail folders

>> in OE after 30 June 2008, as will anyone else running Win9x or Win2K.

>> Those running WinXP have several options.

>>

>> PCR wrote:

>>> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:

>>>> Prolly tilting at another windmill.

>>>

>>> Well, I don't know enough about Windows Live to say whether he faces a

>>> real problem with the new MS policy. (I never used it, & it looks to be

>>> too complex to quickly fathom.) Sounds like he's got a lot of data he

>>> fears he may lose. It's in yours & Hammer's hands! And MEB's!

>>>

>>>> PCR wrote:

>>>>> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:

>>>>>> MEB wrote:

>>>>>> <snip>

>>>>>>> Moreover, as we are also presently discussing this in the OE news

>>>>>>> group [soon to be defunct apparently]...

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Neither OE nor the OE newsgroups are "soon to be defunct."

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Although MS stopped all development of OE in 2006 (...), support for

>>>>>> OE (i.e., critical security updates) will continue as long as the OS

>>>>>> in which OE is running is supported. Although (twice-)Extended

>>>>>> Support for Win9x ended in July 2006, WinXP SP3 will be supported

>>>>>> through 2014.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> That being said and although MS has said nothing publically about

>>>>>> this, I wouldn't be surprised if the little-trafficked

>>>>>> microsoft.public.win98.internet.outlookexpress newsgroup disappeared

>>>>>> from the MS newsserver soon.

>>>>>

>>>>> PA! Where is MEB? Have you & that MS personage Scott Hammer sent him

>>>>> to oblivion at an irradiated, disappearing, booby-trapped NG!!??

>>>>>

>>>>>> --

>>>>>> OE-specific newsgroup:

>>>>>> http://news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general

Guest thanatoid

Guest thanatoid

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Re: Windows Live - no more Outlook Express

 

"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in

news:#9RtUnpqIHA.5096@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:

> Nope, still waiting for Scott or Live to respond...

 

I hope you are a VERY patient man.

> Not a windmill PA, but a real possibility. Particularly as

> Microsoft is

> attempting the take over of Yahoo. Might have bearing with

> the FTC as well.

>

> Microsoft isn't god after all...Injunctions have been

> issued for far less

> than what is presently proposed.

 

You either have me KF'd or decided to just not to reply to

anything I say, but I will say this anyway:

 

Nothing would please me more than a successful class-action suit

by millions and millions of Hotmail users against MS. However I

believe that the user agreement clearly states (as they ALL do)

that the service is provided with no guarantees of /any/ kind.

(Although even if it DID come with a guarantee I would still not

keep my mail on it.)

 

Of course, they make you sign a similar statement when you check

into a hospital, so it may be a legally invalid clause due to it

becoming as commonplace as to render it meaningless in RL.

 

 

 

--

Of course, it is no easy matter to be polite; in so far, I mean,

as it requires us to show great respect for everybody, whereas

most people deserve none at all; and again in so far as it

demands that we should feign the most lively interest in people,

when we must be very glad that we have nothing to do with them.

 

- Arthur Schopenhauer

Guest PA Bear [MS MVP]

Guest PA Bear [MS MVP]

Posted
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Re: Windows Live - no more Outlook Express

 

What Frank said: Simply drag, Move, or Copy the Hotmail messages to one or

more local OE folders created for this purpose.

 

Dragging or Moving the messages will move Hotmail's copies to Hotmail's

Deleted Items folder by default.

 

Tip: Do NOT use OE's default Inbox or any other default OE folder for

archiving messages.

--

~Robear

 

 

Gary S. Terhune wrote:

> And, since I didn't quite catch this part, the way to do that is to what,

> "move" or "copy" them to local OE folders? Or is HM/Live so screwed up

> that

> even that doesn't work?

>

>> If he's still running Win98, he /will/ lose access to all Hotmail folders

>> in OE after 30 June 2008, as will anyone else running Win9x or Win2K.

>> Those running WinXP have several options.

>>

>>>> Prolly tilting at another windmill.

<snip>

>>>>> PA! Where is MEB? Have you & that MS personage Scott Hammer sent him

>>>>> to oblivion at an irradiated, disappearing, booby-trapped NG!!??

Guest Gary S. Terhune

Guest Gary S. Terhune

Posted
Posted

Re: Windows Live - no more Outlook Express

 

And that works whether you're a paying member or not?

 

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://www.grystmill.com

 

"Frank Saunders MS-MVP IE,OE/WM" <franksaunders@mvps.org> wrote in message

news:40ADDCD5-6FE5-49AD-AB1A-FA2CD32CE08C@microsoft.com...

> Make a local folder for the purpose and drag the to it.

>

> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

> news:u6i6SIuqIHA.3900@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>> And, since I didn't quite catch this part, the way to do that is to what,

>> "move" or "copy" them to local OE folders? Or is HM/Live so screwed up

>> that even that doesn't work?

>>

>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:OZTfsZnqIHA.3804@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>> If he's still running Win98, he /will/ lose access to all Hotmail

>>> folders in OE after 30 June 2008, as will anyone else running Win9x or

>>> Win2K. Those running WinXP have several options.

>>>

>>> PCR wrote:

>>>> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:

>>>>> Prolly tilting at another windmill.

>>>>

>>>> Well, I don't know enough about Windows Live to say whether he faces a

>>>> real problem with the new MS policy. (I never used it, & it looks to be

>>>> too complex to quickly fathom.) Sounds like he's got a lot of data he

>>>> fears he may lose. It's in yours & Hammer's hands! And MEB's!

>>>>

>>>>> PCR wrote:

>>>>>> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:

>>>>>>> MEB wrote:

>>>>>>> <snip>

>>>>>>>> Moreover, as we are also presently discussing this in the OE news

>>>>>>>> group [soon to be defunct apparently]...

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Neither OE nor the OE newsgroups are "soon to be defunct."

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Although MS stopped all development of OE in 2006 (...), support for

>>>>>>> OE (i.e., critical security updates) will continue as long as the OS

>>>>>>> in which OE is running is supported. Although (twice-)Extended

>>>>>>> Support for Win9x ended in July 2006, WinXP SP3 will be supported

>>>>>>> through 2014.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> That being said and although MS has said nothing publically about

>>>>>>> this, I wouldn't be surprised if the little-trafficked

>>>>>>> microsoft.public.win98.internet.outlookexpress newsgroup disappeared

>>>>>>> from the MS newsserver soon.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> PA! Where is MEB? Have you & that MS personage Scott Hammer sent him

>>>>>> to oblivion at an irradiated, disappearing, booby-trapped NG!!??

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> --

>>>>>>> OE-specific newsgroup:

>>>>>>> http://news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general

>

Guest MEB

Guest MEB

Posted
Posted

Re: Windows Live - no more Outlook Express

 

I'll use this one for response [as the rest are basically the same

suggestions].

 

Sorry, this doesn't work for these accounts, which Live is well aware of.

 

--

MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

--

_________

 

 

"Frank Saunders MS-MVP IE,OE/WM" <franksaunders@mvps.org> wrote in message

news:40ADDCD5-6FE5-49AD-AB1A-FA2CD32CE08C@microsoft.com...

| Make a local folder for the purpose and drag the to it.

|

| "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

| news:u6i6SIuqIHA.3900@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

| > And, since I didn't quite catch this part, the way to do that is to

what,

| > "move" or "copy" them to local OE folders? Or is HM/Live so screwed up

| > that even that doesn't work?

| >

| > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

| > news:OZTfsZnqIHA.3804@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

| >> If he's still running Win98, he /will/ lose access to all Hotmail

folders

| >> in OE after 30 June 2008, as will anyone else running Win9x or Win2K.

| >> Those running WinXP have several options.

| >>

| >> PCR wrote:

| >>> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:

| >>>> Prolly tilting at another windmill.

| >>>

| >>> Well, I don't know enough about Windows Live to say whether he faces a

| >>> real problem with the new MS policy. (I never used it, & it looks to

be

| >>> too complex to quickly fathom.) Sounds like he's got a lot of data he

| >>> fears he may lose. It's in yours & Hammer's hands! And MEB's!

| >>>

| >>>> PCR wrote:

| >>>>> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:

| >>>>>> MEB wrote:

| >>>>>> <snip>

| >>>>>>> Moreover, as we are also presently discussing this in the OE news

| >>>>>>> group [soon to be defunct apparently]...

| >>>>>>

| >>>>>> Neither OE nor the OE newsgroups are "soon to be defunct."

| >>>>>>

| >>>>>> Although MS stopped all development of OE in 2006 (...), support

for

| >>>>>> OE (i.e., critical security updates) will continue as long as the

OS

| >>>>>> in which OE is running is supported. Although (twice-)Extended

| >>>>>> Support for Win9x ended in July 2006, WinXP SP3 will be supported

| >>>>>> through 2014.

| >>>>>>

| >>>>>> That being said and although MS has said nothing publically about

| >>>>>> this, I wouldn't be surprised if the little-trafficked

| >>>>>> microsoft.public.win98.internet.outlookexpress newsgroup

disappeared

| >>>>>> from the MS newsserver soon.

| >>>>>

| >>>>> PA! Where is MEB? Have you & that MS personage Scott Hammer sent him

| >>>>> to oblivion at an irradiated, disappearing, booby-trapped NG!!??

| >>>>>

| >>>>>> --

| >>>>>> OE-specific newsgroup:

| >>>>>> http://news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general

|

Guest MEB

Guest MEB

Posted
Posted

Re: Windows Live - no more Outlook Express

 

Why would I have you KF'd?

 

What was it that you presented, anywhere in this discussion group, that I

was supposed to respond to?

 

--

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--

_________

 

 

"thanatoid" <waiting@the.exit.invalid> wrote in message

news:Xns9A907C3427A7Dthanexit@66.250.146.158...

| "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in

| news:#9RtUnpqIHA.5096@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:

|

| > Nope, still waiting for Scott or Live to respond...

|

| I hope you are a VERY patient man.

|

| > Not a windmill PA, but a real possibility. Particularly as

| > Microsoft is

| > attempting the take over of Yahoo. Might have bearing with

| > the FTC as well.

| >

| > Microsoft isn't god after all...Injunctions have been

| > issued for far less

| > than what is presently proposed.

|

| You either have me KF'd or decided to just not to reply to

| anything I say, but I will say this anyway:

|

| Nothing would please me more than a successful class-action suit

| by millions and millions of Hotmail users against MS. However I

| believe that the user agreement clearly states (as they ALL do)

| that the service is provided with no guarantees of /any/ kind.

| (Although even if it DID come with a guarantee I would still not

| keep my mail on it.)

|

| Of course, they make you sign a similar statement when you check

| into a hospital, so it may be a legally invalid clause due to it

| becoming as commonplace as to render it meaningless in RL.

|

|

|

| --

| Of course, it is no easy matter to be polite; in so far, I mean,

| as it requires us to show great respect for everybody, whereas

| most people deserve none at all; and again in so far as it

| demands that we should feign the most lively interest in people,

| when we must be very glad that we have nothing to do with them.

|

| - Arthur Schopenhauer

Guest PA Bear [MS MVP]

Guest PA Bear [MS MVP]

Posted
Posted

Re: Windows Live - no more Outlook Express

 

Yes, at least until after 30 June 2008 when all Hotmail messages and folders

will disappear (in OE only) when/if OE attempts to synchronize with the

non-existant WebDAV servers.

 

NB: If you uncheck "Include this account when receiving mail and

synchronizing" in OE Tools | Accounts | Mail | Hotmail | Properties |

General by 30 June 2008 and do NOT attempt to synchronize with the Hotmail

servers manually (via Send/Receive dropdown menu), the messages and folders

/should/ not be affected.

--

~Robear

 

 

Gary S. Terhune wrote:

> And that works whether you're a paying member or not?

>

>

> "Frank Saunders MS-MVP IE,OE/WM" <franksaunders@mvps.org> wrote in message

> news:40ADDCD5-6FE5-49AD-AB1A-FA2CD32CE08C@microsoft.com...

>> Make a local folder for the purpose and drag the to it.

>>

>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

>> news:u6i6SIuqIHA.3900@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>> And, since I didn't quite catch this part, the way to do that is to

>>> what,

>>> "move" or "copy" them to local OE folders? Or is HM/Live so screwed up

>>> that even that doesn't work?

>>>

>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

>>> news:OZTfsZnqIHA.3804@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>>> If he's still running Win98, he /will/ lose access to all Hotmail

>>>> folders in OE after 30 June 2008, as will anyone else running Win9x or

>>>> Win2K. Those running WinXP have several options.

>>>>

>>>> PCR wrote:

>>>>> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:

>>>>>> Prolly tilting at another windmill.

>>>>>

>>>>> Well, I don't know enough about Windows Live to say whether he faces a

>>>>> real problem with the new MS policy. (I never used it, & it looks to

>>>>> be

>>>>> too complex to quickly fathom.) Sounds like he's got a lot of data he

>>>>> fears he may lose. It's in yours & Hammer's hands! And MEB's!

>>>>>

>>>>>> PCR wrote:

>>>>>>> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:

>>>>>>>> MEB wrote:

>>>>>>>> <snip>

>>>>>>>>> Moreover, as we are also presently discussing this in the OE news

>>>>>>>>> group [soon to be defunct apparently]...

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Neither OE nor the OE newsgroups are "soon to be defunct."

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Although MS stopped all development of OE in 2006 (...), support

>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>> OE (i.e., critical security updates) will continue as long as the

>>>>>>>> OS

>>>>>>>> in which OE is running is supported. Although (twice-)Extended

>>>>>>>> Support for Win9x ended in July 2006, WinXP SP3 will be supported

>>>>>>>> through 2014.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> That being said and although MS has said nothing publically about

>>>>>>>> this, I wouldn't be surprised if the little-trafficked

>>>>>>>> microsoft.public.win98.internet.outlookexpress newsgroup

>>>>>>>> disappeared

>>>>>>>> from the MS newsserver soon.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> PA! Where is MEB? Have you & that MS personage Scott Hammer sent him

>>>>>>> to oblivion at an irradiated, disappearing, booby-trapped NG!!??

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> --

>>>>>>>> OE-specific newsgroup:

>>>>>>>> http://news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general

Guest PA Bear [MS MVP]

Guest PA Bear [MS MVP]

Posted
Posted

Re: Windows Live - no more Outlook Express

 

Apples and oranges: It does work if the messages are available in (have been

downloaded to) the Hotmail-in-OE folders, Maurice. The fact that

some/many/most of yours are not available has nothing to do with this

functionality.

--

~PA Bear

 

MEB wrote:

> Sorry, this doesn't work for these accounts, which Live is well aware of.

>

>> Make a local folder for the purpose and drag the to it.

>>

>>> And, since I didn't quite catch this part, the way to do that is to

>>> what,

>>> "move" or "copy" them to local OE folders? Or is HM/Live so screwed up

>>> that even that doesn't work?

>>>

>>>> If he's still running Win98, he /will/ lose access to all Hotmail

>>>> folders

>>>> in OE after 30 June 2008, as will anyone else running Win9x or Win2K.

>>>> Those running WinXP have several options.

Guest PA Bear [MS MVP]

Guest PA Bear [MS MVP]

Posted
Posted

Re: Windows Live - no more Outlook Express

 

thanatoid wrote:

<snip>

> ...However I

> believe that the user agreement clearly states (as they ALL do)

> that the service is provided with no guarantees of /any/ kind.

 

<QP>

21. LIABILITY LIMITATION.

You can recover from the Microsoft parties only direct damages up to an

amount *equal to your service fee* [emphasis added] for one month. You

cannot recover any other damages, including consequential, lost profits,

special, indirect, incidental or punitive damages.

<snip>

[This limitation] also applies even if:

• this remedy does not fully compensate you for any losses, or fails of its

essential purpose; or

• Microsoft knew or should have known about the possibility of the damages.

<snip>

22. Changes to the Service; If We Cancel the Service.

We may change the service or delete features at any time and for any reason.

We may cancel or suspend your service at any time. Our cancellation or

suspension may be without cause and/or without notice. Upon service

cancellation, your right to use the service stops right away. Once the

service is cancelled or suspended, any data you have stored on the service

may not be retrieved later.

<snip>

29. Contracting Party, Choice of Law and Location for Resolving Disputes.

....You and we irrevocably consent to the exclusive jurisdiction and venue of

the state or federal courts in King County, Washington, USA for all disputes

arising out of or relating to this contract.

<snip>

Support

Customer support is not offered for the service, unless provided otherwise

in this contract or the materials we publish in connection with a particular

service specify that it includes customer support.

</QP>

Source: http://help.live.com/help.aspx?project=tou&mkt=en-us

 

Translation: If it's a free Hotmail account, you're SOL.

--

~PA Bear

Guest thanatoid

Guest thanatoid

Posted
Posted

Re: Windows Live - no more Outlook Express

 

"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in

news:#BKX82uqIHA.3568@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl:

> Why would I have you KF'd?

 

I tend to bring that action out in people. ;-)

> What was it that you presented, anywhere in this

> discussion group, that I

> was supposed to respond to?

 

I admit it is presumptuous of me to think that something I write

deserves a reply to begin with, and I also understand you are

very upset and busy with the situation of possibly losing all

your important email, but theoretically speaking, /someone/ (not

necessarily you, but /including/ you) /could/ have commented on

my longish post about how no one should trust ANY piece of

hardware on this planet (like MS mail servers) with anything of

theirs (like important email) - ONLY their own computer(s)

and/or CD/DVD backup(s).

 

Anyway, I have not been following closely but I certainly hope

that SOME way of solving your (and millions of others') problem

can be found.

 

Regards

t.

 

--

Of course, it is no easy matter to be polite; in so far, I mean,

as it requires us to show great respect for everybody, whereas

most people deserve none at all; and again in so far as it

demands that we should feign the most lively interest in people,

when we must be very glad that we have nothing to do with them.

 

- Arthur Schopenhauer

Guest thanatoid

Guest thanatoid

Posted
Posted

Re: Windows Live - no more Outlook Express

 

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in

news:#C561TvqIHA.4884@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl:

> <QP>

> 21. LIABILITY LIMITATION.

> You can recover from the Microsoft parties only direct

> damages up to an amount *equal to your service fee*

> [emphasis added] for one month. You cannot recover any

> other damages,

 

No one cares about their $20/year (or whatever the paid accounts

cost), people care about their often invaluable MAIL CONTENT.

 

Just like most people with a brain would probably rather have a

computer do something in 10 seconds with solid windows in the

GUI than in 2 minutes with semi-transparent windows with

shadows. (Just rough estimates - my relationship with MS stopped

with 98SE {Lite'd} so I have no idea EXACTLY what "important

improvements" and at what cost Vista has brought upon the

world).

 

<SNIP the standard legalese>

>...You and we irrevocably consent to

> the exclusive jurisdiction and venue of the state or

> federal courts in King County, Washington

 

Isn't it time the county name was changed to Gates County or

Microsoft County?

 

<SNIP>

> Translation: If it's a free Hotmail account, you're SOL.

 

I am reasonably certain you are equally SOL even if it is a paid

one, but anyone who uses webmail - let alone for important

things - well...

 

Regards

t.

 

--

Of course, it is no easy matter to be polite; in so far, I mean,

as it requires us to show great respect for everybody, whereas

most people deserve none at all; and again in so far as it

demands that we should feign the most lively interest in people,

when we must be very glad that we have nothing to do with them.

 

- Arthur Schopenhauer

Guest MEB

Guest MEB

Posted
Posted

Re: Windows Live - no more Outlook Express

 

 

 

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:OBD$aLvqIHA.4952@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

| Apples and oranges: It does work if the messages are available in (have

been

| downloaded to) the Hotmail-in-OE folders, Maurice. The fact that

| some/many/most of yours are not available has nothing to do with this

| functionality.

| --

| ~PA Bear

 

Ah but it does to those millions of users {per Scott} that may presently

have linked accounts, which may have used the accounts as a repository,

which apparently will no longer have that access UNLESS they use XP SP2 or

VISTA.

 

Remember, this ISN'T Microsoft's OS, or its EMAIL client, or anything

related. It IS a publicly offered SERVICE, in which millions of users may

now be unduly affected by the change, with NO WAY presently provided by the

service to remove their property.

 

As for your SOL,, or even the service agreement presentation,, these are

written by attorney's to disuade suits. They are not "iron plate", nor

"bullet proof".

 

|

| MEB wrote:

| > Sorry, this doesn't work for these accounts, which Live is well aware

of.

| >

| >> Make a local folder for the purpose and drag the to it.

| >>

| >>> And, since I didn't quite catch this part, the way to do that is to

| >>> what,

| >>> "move" or "copy" them to local OE folders? Or is HM/Live so screwed up

| >>> that even that doesn't work?

| >>>

| >>>> If he's still running Win98, he /will/ lose access to all Hotmail

| >>>> folders

| >>>> in OE after 30 June 2008, as will anyone else running Win9x or Win2K.

| >>>> Those running WinXP have several options.

|

--

MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

--

_________

Guest Gary S. Terhune

Guest Gary S. Terhune

Posted
Posted

Re: Windows Live - no more Outlook Express

 

Thank you, gentlemen.

 

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://www.grystmill.com

 

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:%23nMNe6uqIHA.1872@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> Yes, at least until after 30 June 2008 when all Hotmail messages and

> folders will disappear (in OE only) when/if OE attempts to synchronize

> with the non-existant WebDAV servers.

>

> NB: If you uncheck "Include this account when receiving mail and

> synchronizing" in OE Tools | Accounts | Mail | Hotmail | Properties |

> General by 30 June 2008 and do NOT attempt to synchronize with the Hotmail

> servers manually (via Send/Receive dropdown menu), the messages and

> folders /should/ not be affected.

> --

> ~Robear

>

>

> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

>> And that works whether you're a paying member or not?

>>

>>

>> "Frank Saunders MS-MVP IE,OE/WM" <franksaunders@mvps.org> wrote in

>> message

>> news:40ADDCD5-6FE5-49AD-AB1A-FA2CD32CE08C@microsoft.com...

>>> Make a local folder for the purpose and drag the to it.

>>>

>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

>>> news:u6i6SIuqIHA.3900@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>>> And, since I didn't quite catch this part, the way to do that is to

>>>> what,

>>>> "move" or "copy" them to local OE folders? Or is HM/Live so screwed up

>>>> that even that doesn't work?

>>>>

>>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

>>>> news:OZTfsZnqIHA.3804@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>>>> If he's still running Win98, he /will/ lose access to all Hotmail

>>>>> folders in OE after 30 June 2008, as will anyone else running Win9x or

>>>>> Win2K. Those running WinXP have several options.

>>>>>

>>>>> PCR wrote:

>>>>>> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:

>>>>>>> Prolly tilting at another windmill.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Well, I don't know enough about Windows Live to say whether he faces

>>>>>> a

>>>>>> real problem with the new MS policy. (I never used it, & it looks to

>>>>>> be

>>>>>> too complex to quickly fathom.) Sounds like he's got a lot of data he

>>>>>> fears he may lose. It's in yours & Hammer's hands! And MEB's!

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> PCR wrote:

>>>>>>>> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:

>>>>>>>>> MEB wrote:

>>>>>>>>> <snip>

>>>>>>>>>> Moreover, as we are also presently discussing this in the OE news

>>>>>>>>>> group [soon to be defunct apparently]...

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Neither OE nor the OE newsgroups are "soon to be defunct."

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Although MS stopped all development of OE in 2006 (...), support

>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>> OE (i.e., critical security updates) will continue as long as the

>>>>>>>>> OS

>>>>>>>>> in which OE is running is supported. Although (twice-)Extended

>>>>>>>>> Support for Win9x ended in July 2006, WinXP SP3 will be supported

>>>>>>>>> through 2014.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> That being said and although MS has said nothing publically about

>>>>>>>>> this, I wouldn't be surprised if the little-trafficked

>>>>>>>>> microsoft.public.win98.internet.outlookexpress newsgroup

>>>>>>>>> disappeared

>>>>>>>>> from the MS newsserver soon.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> PA! Where is MEB? Have you & that MS personage Scott Hammer sent

>>>>>>>> him

>>>>>>>> to oblivion at an irradiated, disappearing, booby-trapped NG!!??

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> --

>>>>>>>>> OE-specific newsgroup:

>>>>>>>>> http://news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general

>

Guest PCR

Guest PCR

Posted
Posted

Re: Windows Live - no more Outlook Express

 

MEB wrote:

| Nope, still waiting for Scott or Live to respond...

 

Ah! There you are! My apologies to Bear & Hammer for thinking they may

have done you in! And I hope you discover how to migrate your files too.

 

| Not a windmill PA, but a real possibility. Particularly as Microsoft

| is attempting the take over of Yahoo. Might have bearing with the FTC

| as well.

 

I realized afterward it was a class action lawsuit that Bear referred to

as a windmill. OK. I'm not sure-- didn't they say how to download your

files/E-Mails?

 

| Microsoft isn't god after all...Injunctions have been issued for far

| less than what is presently proposed.

 

It looks like that contract of MS's regarding the software is ironclad,

unless thanatoid or you have a point. (Maybe you do.) But can't you just

get your files?

 

| --

| MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

| --

| _________

|

| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

| news:OaB6HgnqIHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

|| PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:

|| | If he's still running Win98, he /will/ lose access to all Hotmail

|| | folders in OE after 30 June 2008, as will anyone else running Win9x

|| | or Win2K. Those running WinXP have several options.

||

|| Uh-oh-- that's no Cervantes windmill, then! But you &/or Hammer told

|| him how to save it, right? (I didn't quite get it.)

||

|| | PCR wrote:

|| |> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:

|| |>> Prolly tilting at another windmill.

|| |>

|| |> Well, I don't know enough about Windows Live to say whether he

|| |> faces a real problem with the new MS policy. (I never used it, &

|| |> it looks to be too complex to quickly fathom.) Sounds like he's

|| |> got a lot of data he fears he may lose. It's in yours & Hammer's

|| |> hands! And MEB's!

|| |>

|| |>> PCR wrote:

|| |>>> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:

|| |>>>> MEB wrote:

|| |>>>> <snip>

|| |>>>>> Moreover, as we are also presently discussing this in the OE

|| |>>>>> news group [soon to be defunct apparently]...

|| |>>>>

|| |>>>> Neither OE nor the OE newsgroups are "soon to be defunct."

|| |>>>>

|| |>>>> Although MS stopped all development of OE in 2006 (...),

|| |>>>> support for OE (i.e., critical security updates) will continue

|| |>>>> as long as the OS in which OE is running is supported.

|| |>>>> Although (twice-)Extended Support for Win9x ended in July

|| |>>>> 2006, WinXP SP3 will be supported through 2014.

|| |>>>>

|| |>>>> That being said and although MS has said nothing publically

|| |>>>> about this, I wouldn't be surprised if the little-trafficked

|| |>>>> microsoft.public.win98.internet.outlookexpress newsgroup

|| |>>>> disappeared from the MS newsserver soon.

|| |>>>

|| |>>> PA! Where is MEB? Have you & that MS personage Scott Hammer sent

|| |>>> him to oblivion at an irradiated, disappearing, booby-trapped

|| |>>> NG!!??

|| |>>>

|| |>>>> --

|| |>>>> OE-specific newsgroup:

|| |>>>>

|| http://news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general

|| |>>>>

|| |>>>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

|| |>>>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since

|| |>>>> 2002

||

|| --

|| Thanks or Good Luck,

|| There may be humor in this post, and,

|| Naturally, you will not sue,

|| Should things get worse after this,

|| PCR

|| pcrrcp@netzero.net

 

--

Thanks or Good Luck,

There may be humor in this post, and,

Naturally, you will not sue,

Should things get worse after this,

PCR

pcrrcp@netzero.net

Guest N. Miller

Guest N. Miller

Posted
Posted

Re: Windows Live - no more Outlook Express

 

"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:u%23hG52uqIHA.3568@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> "Frank Saunders MS-MVP IE,OE/WM" <franksaunders@mvps.org> wrote in message

> news:40ADDCD5-6FE5-49AD-AB1A-FA2CD32CE08C@microsoft.com...

> | "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

> | news:u6i6SIuqIHA.3900@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> | > And, since I didn't quite catch this part, the way to do that is to

> what,

> | > "move" or "copy" them to local OE folders? Or is HM/Live so screwed up

> | > that even that doesn't work?

> | Make a local folder for the purpose and drag the to it.

> I'll use this one for response [as the rest are basically the same

> suggestions].

>

> Sorry, this doesn't work for these accounts, which Live is well aware of.

 

I just tried moving email from a Windows Live Hotmail account folder, to an

MS Outlook Express Local Folder. The email messages were successfully moved

from the server to the local client. I then tried a rigth click on the

selected messages in the Local Folders of MSOE, and used the context menu to

call for a copy back to the Windows Live Hotmail account folder. The files,

which had be removed from the server by the "Move" action, were replaced on

the server by the "Copy:" action.

 

--

Norman

~Shine, bright morning light,

~now in the air the spring is coming.

~Sweet, blowing wind,

~singing down the hills and valleys.

Guest N. Miller

Guest N. Miller

Posted
Posted

Re: Windows Live - no more Outlook Express

 

"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:OFx0AFxqIHA.3508@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

> news:OBD$aLvqIHA.4952@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> | Apples and oranges: It does work if the messages are available in (have

> | been| downloaded to) the Hotmail-in-OE folders, Maurice. The fact that

> | some/many/most of yours are not available has nothing to do with this

> | functionality.

> Ah but it does to those millions of users {per Scott} that may presently

> have linked accounts, which may have used the accounts as a repository,

> which apparently will no longer have that access UNLESS they use XP SP2 or

> VISTA.

 

What, exactly, is a "linked" account? How does it work? I've read your posts

up to this one, but they read like legal briefs, full of lawyer "pursuant

to"s, and other jargon, which carries no techical meaning that I can grasp.

> Remember, this ISN'T Microsoft's OS, or its EMAIL client, or anything

> related. It IS a publicly offered SERVICE, in which millions of users may

> now be unduly affected by the change, with NO WAY presently provided by

> the

> service to remove their property.

>

> As for your SOL,, or even the service agreement presentation,, these are

> written by attorney's to disuade suits. They are not "iron plate", nor

> "bullet proof".

 

OTOH, I would be seriously dissuaded from offering anything which might be

remotely construed as a "Public Service", if such an operation were so

easily found financially liable for damages in the event of a meltdown,

despite any legal disclaimers. Of course, maybe that is your intent, in the

end? Bringing financial ruin down on people whose service fails to perform

to your expectations, even when the provdier disclaims any guarantees?

Guest PA Bear [MS MVP]

Guest PA Bear [MS MVP]

Posted
Posted

Re: Windows Live - no more Outlook Express

 

[Ooo, this should be good! <eg>]

 

N. Miller wrote:

> "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> news:OFx0AFxqIHA.3508@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:OBD$aLvqIHA.4952@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>> Apples and oranges: It does work if the messages are available in (have

>>> been| downloaded to) the Hotmail-in-OE folders, Maurice. The fact that

>>> some/many/most of yours are not available has nothing to do with this

>>> functionality.

>

>> Ah but it does to those millions of users {per Scott} that may presently

>> have linked accounts, which may have used the accounts as a repository,

>> which apparently will no longer have that access UNLESS they use XP SP2

>> or

>> VISTA.

>

> What, exactly, is a "linked" account? How does it work? I've read your

> posts

> up to this one, but they read like legal briefs, full of lawyer "pursuant

> to"s, and other jargon, which carries no techical meaning that I can

> grasp.

>

>> Remember, this ISN'T Microsoft's OS, or its EMAIL client, or anything

>> related. It IS a publicly offered SERVICE, in which millions of users may

>> now be unduly affected by the change, with NO WAY presently provided by

>> the

>> service to remove their property.

>>

>> As for your SOL,, or even the service agreement presentation,, these are

>> written by attorney's to disuade suits. They are not "iron plate", nor

>> "bullet proof".

>

> OTOH, I would be seriously dissuaded from offering anything which might be

> remotely construed as a "Public Service", if such an operation were so

> easily found financially liable for damages in the event of a meltdown,

> despite any legal disclaimers. Of course, maybe that is your intent, in

> the

> end? Bringing financial ruin down on people whose service fails to perform

> to your expectations, even when the provdier disclaims any guarantees?

Guest PA Bear [MS MVP]

Guest PA Bear [MS MVP]

Posted
Posted

Re: Windows Live - no more Outlook Express

 

[Yes, but those messages were available to you in the Hotmail-in-OE

folder(s), Norman. It would appear that most of MEB's aren't available

(i.e., message headers are present in the Hotmail-in-OE folders but the

message bodies can't be retrieved from the server). He's not told us if

these messages are available via the webmail page.]

 

N. Miller wrote:

> I just tried moving email from a Windows Live Hotmail account folder, to

> an

> MS Outlook Express Local Folder. The email messages were successfully

> moved

> from the server to the local client. I then tried a rigth click on the

> selected messages in the Local Folders of MSOE, and used the context menu

> to

> call for a copy back to the Windows Live Hotmail account folder. The

> files,

> which had be removed from the server by the "Move" action, were replaced

> on

> the server by the "Copy:" action.

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