Guest PCR Posted April 30, 2008 Posted April 30, 2008 Re: Windows Live - no more Outlook Express PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote: | MEB wrote: | <snip> |> Moreover, as we are also presently discussing this in the OE news |> group [soon to be defunct apparently]... | | Neither OE nor the OE newsgroups are "soon to be defunct." | | Although MS stopped all development of OE in 2006 (...), support for | OE (i.e., critical security updates) will continue as long as the OS | in which OE is running is supported. Although (twice-)Extended | Support for Win9x ended in July 2006, WinXP SP3 will be supported | through 2014. | | That being said and although MS has said nothing publically about | this, I wouldn't be surprised if the little-trafficked | microsoft.public.win98.internet.outlookexpress newsgroup disappeared | from the MS newsserver soon. PA! Where is MEB? Have you & that MS personage Scott Hammer sent him to oblivion at an irradiated, disappearing, booby-trapped NG!!?? | -- | OE-specific newsgroup: | http://news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general | | ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) | MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002 -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR pcrrcp@netzero.net
Guest PA Bear [MS MVP] Posted April 30, 2008 Posted April 30, 2008 Re: Windows Live - no more Outlook Express Prolly tilting at another windmill. PCR wrote: > PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote: >> MEB wrote: >> <snip> >>> Moreover, as we are also presently discussing this in the OE news >>> group [soon to be defunct apparently]... >> >> Neither OE nor the OE newsgroups are "soon to be defunct." >> >> Although MS stopped all development of OE in 2006 (...), support for >> OE (i.e., critical security updates) will continue as long as the OS >> in which OE is running is supported. Although (twice-)Extended >> Support for Win9x ended in July 2006, WinXP SP3 will be supported >> through 2014. >> >> That being said and although MS has said nothing publically about >> this, I wouldn't be surprised if the little-trafficked >> microsoft.public.win98.internet.outlookexpress newsgroup disappeared >> from the MS newsserver soon. > > PA! Where is MEB? Have you & that MS personage Scott Hammer sent him to > oblivion at an irradiated, disappearing, booby-trapped NG!!?? > >> -- >> OE-specific newsgroup: >> http://news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general >> >> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) >> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
Guest PCR Posted April 30, 2008 Posted April 30, 2008 Re: Windows Live - no more Outlook Express PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote: | Prolly tilting at another windmill. Well, I don't know enough about Windows Live to say whether he faces a real problem with the new MS policy. (I never used it, & it looks to be too complex to quickly fathom.) Sounds like he's got a lot of data he fears he may lose. It's in yours & Hammer's hands! And MEB's! | PCR wrote: |> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote: |>> MEB wrote: |>> <snip> |>>> Moreover, as we are also presently discussing this in the OE news |>>> group [soon to be defunct apparently]... |>> |>> Neither OE nor the OE newsgroups are "soon to be defunct." |>> |>> Although MS stopped all development of OE in 2006 (...), support for |>> OE (i.e., critical security updates) will continue as long as the OS |>> in which OE is running is supported. Although (twice-)Extended |>> Support for Win9x ended in July 2006, WinXP SP3 will be supported |>> through 2014. |>> |>> That being said and although MS has said nothing publically about |>> this, I wouldn't be surprised if the little-trafficked |>> microsoft.public.win98.internet.outlookexpress newsgroup disappeared |>> from the MS newsserver soon. |> |> PA! Where is MEB? Have you & that MS personage Scott Hammer sent him |> to oblivion at an irradiated, disappearing, booby-trapped NG!!?? |> |>> -- |>> OE-specific newsgroup: |>> http://news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general |>> |>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) |>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002 -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR pcrrcp@netzero.net
Guest PA Bear [MS MVP] Posted April 30, 2008 Posted April 30, 2008 Re: Windows Live - no more Outlook Express If he's still running Win98, he /will/ lose access to all Hotmail folders in OE after 30 June 2008, as will anyone else running Win9x or Win2K. Those running WinXP have several options. PCR wrote: > PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote: >> Prolly tilting at another windmill. > > Well, I don't know enough about Windows Live to say whether he faces a > real problem with the new MS policy. (I never used it, & it looks to be > too complex to quickly fathom.) Sounds like he's got a lot of data he > fears he may lose. It's in yours & Hammer's hands! And MEB's! > >> PCR wrote: >>> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote: >>>> MEB wrote: >>>> <snip> >>>>> Moreover, as we are also presently discussing this in the OE news >>>>> group [soon to be defunct apparently]... >>>> >>>> Neither OE nor the OE newsgroups are "soon to be defunct." >>>> >>>> Although MS stopped all development of OE in 2006 (...), support for >>>> OE (i.e., critical security updates) will continue as long as the OS >>>> in which OE is running is supported. Although (twice-)Extended >>>> Support for Win9x ended in July 2006, WinXP SP3 will be supported >>>> through 2014. >>>> >>>> That being said and although MS has said nothing publically about >>>> this, I wouldn't be surprised if the little-trafficked >>>> microsoft.public.win98.internet.outlookexpress newsgroup disappeared >>>> from the MS newsserver soon. >>> >>> PA! Where is MEB? Have you & that MS personage Scott Hammer sent him >>> to oblivion at an irradiated, disappearing, booby-trapped NG!!?? >>> >>>> -- >>>> OE-specific newsgroup: >>>> http://news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general >>>> >>>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) >>>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
Guest PCR Posted April 30, 2008 Posted April 30, 2008 Re: Windows Live - no more Outlook Express PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote: | If he's still running Win98, he /will/ lose access to all Hotmail | folders in OE after 30 June 2008, as will anyone else running Win9x | or Win2K. Those running WinXP have several options. Uh-oh-- that's no Cervantes windmill, then! But you &/or Hammer told him how to save it, right? (I didn't quite get it.) | PCR wrote: |> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote: |>> Prolly tilting at another windmill. |> |> Well, I don't know enough about Windows Live to say whether he faces |> a real problem with the new MS policy. (I never used it, & it looks |> to be too complex to quickly fathom.) Sounds like he's got a lot of |> data he fears he may lose. It's in yours & Hammer's hands! And MEB's! |> |>> PCR wrote: |>>> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote: |>>>> MEB wrote: |>>>> <snip> |>>>>> Moreover, as we are also presently discussing this in the OE news |>>>>> group [soon to be defunct apparently]... |>>>> |>>>> Neither OE nor the OE newsgroups are "soon to be defunct." |>>>> |>>>> Although MS stopped all development of OE in 2006 (...), support |>>>> for OE (i.e., critical security updates) will continue as long as |>>>> the OS in which OE is running is supported. Although |>>>> (twice-)Extended Support for Win9x ended in July 2006, WinXP SP3 |>>>> will be supported through 2014. |>>>> |>>>> That being said and although MS has said nothing publically about |>>>> this, I wouldn't be surprised if the little-trafficked |>>>> microsoft.public.win98.internet.outlookexpress newsgroup |>>>> disappeared from the MS newsserver soon. |>>> |>>> PA! Where is MEB? Have you & that MS personage Scott Hammer sent |>>> him to oblivion at an irradiated, disappearing, booby-trapped |>>> NG!!?? |>>> |>>>> -- |>>>> OE-specific newsgroup: |>>>> http://news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general |>>>> |>>>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) |>>>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002 -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR pcrrcp@netzero.net
Guest MEB Posted April 30, 2008 Posted April 30, 2008 Re: Windows Live - no more Outlook Express Nope, still waiting for Scott or Live to respond... Not a windmill PA, but a real possibility. Particularly as Microsoft is attempting the take over of Yahoo. Might have bearing with the FTC as well. Microsoft isn't god after all...Injunctions have been issued for far less than what is presently proposed. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com -- _________ "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message news:OaB6HgnqIHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... | PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote: | | If he's still running Win98, he /will/ lose access to all Hotmail | | folders in OE after 30 June 2008, as will anyone else running Win9x | | or Win2K. Those running WinXP have several options. | | Uh-oh-- that's no Cervantes windmill, then! But you &/or Hammer told him | how to save it, right? (I didn't quite get it.) | | | PCR wrote: | |> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote: | |>> Prolly tilting at another windmill. | |> | |> Well, I don't know enough about Windows Live to say whether he faces | |> a real problem with the new MS policy. (I never used it, & it looks | |> to be too complex to quickly fathom.) Sounds like he's got a lot of | |> data he fears he may lose. It's in yours & Hammer's hands! And MEB's! | |> | |>> PCR wrote: | |>>> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote: | |>>>> MEB wrote: | |>>>> <snip> | |>>>>> Moreover, as we are also presently discussing this in the OE news | |>>>>> group [soon to be defunct apparently]... | |>>>> | |>>>> Neither OE nor the OE newsgroups are "soon to be defunct." | |>>>> | |>>>> Although MS stopped all development of OE in 2006 (...), support | |>>>> for OE (i.e., critical security updates) will continue as long as | |>>>> the OS in which OE is running is supported. Although | |>>>> (twice-)Extended Support for Win9x ended in July 2006, WinXP SP3 | |>>>> will be supported through 2014. | |>>>> | |>>>> That being said and although MS has said nothing publically about | |>>>> this, I wouldn't be surprised if the little-trafficked | |>>>> microsoft.public.win98.internet.outlookexpress newsgroup | |>>>> disappeared from the MS newsserver soon. | |>>> | |>>> PA! Where is MEB? Have you & that MS personage Scott Hammer sent | |>>> him to oblivion at an irradiated, disappearing, booby-trapped | |>>> NG!!?? | |>>> | |>>>> -- | |>>>> OE-specific newsgroup: | |>>>> | http://news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general | |>>>> | |>>>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) | |>>>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002 | | -- | Thanks or Good Luck, | There may be humor in this post, and, | Naturally, you will not sue, | Should things get worse after this, | PCR | pcrrcp@netzero.net | |
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted April 30, 2008 Posted April 30, 2008 Re: Windows Live - no more Outlook Express And, since I didn't quite catch this part, the way to do that is to what, "move" or "copy" them to local OE folders? Or is HM/Live so screwed up that even that doesn't work? -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message news:OZTfsZnqIHA.3804@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > If he's still running Win98, he /will/ lose access to all Hotmail folders > in OE after 30 June 2008, as will anyone else running Win9x or Win2K. > Those running WinXP have several options. > > PCR wrote: >> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote: >>> Prolly tilting at another windmill. >> >> Well, I don't know enough about Windows Live to say whether he faces a >> real problem with the new MS policy. (I never used it, & it looks to be >> too complex to quickly fathom.) Sounds like he's got a lot of data he >> fears he may lose. It's in yours & Hammer's hands! And MEB's! >> >>> PCR wrote: >>>> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote: >>>>> MEB wrote: >>>>> <snip> >>>>>> Moreover, as we are also presently discussing this in the OE news >>>>>> group [soon to be defunct apparently]... >>>>> >>>>> Neither OE nor the OE newsgroups are "soon to be defunct." >>>>> >>>>> Although MS stopped all development of OE in 2006 (...), support for >>>>> OE (i.e., critical security updates) will continue as long as the OS >>>>> in which OE is running is supported. Although (twice-)Extended >>>>> Support for Win9x ended in July 2006, WinXP SP3 will be supported >>>>> through 2014. >>>>> >>>>> That being said and although MS has said nothing publically about >>>>> this, I wouldn't be surprised if the little-trafficked >>>>> microsoft.public.win98.internet.outlookexpress newsgroup disappeared >>>>> from the MS newsserver soon. >>>> >>>> PA! Where is MEB? Have you & that MS personage Scott Hammer sent him >>>> to oblivion at an irradiated, disappearing, booby-trapped NG!!?? >>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> OE-specific newsgroup: >>>>> http://news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general >>>>> >>>>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) >>>>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002 >
Guest Frank Saunders MS-MVP IE,OE/WM Posted April 30, 2008 Posted April 30, 2008 Re: Windows Live - no more Outlook Express Make a local folder for the purpose and drag the to it. "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message news:u6i6SIuqIHA.3900@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > And, since I didn't quite catch this part, the way to do that is to what, > "move" or "copy" them to local OE folders? Or is HM/Live so screwed up > that even that doesn't work? > > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:OZTfsZnqIHA.3804@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >> If he's still running Win98, he /will/ lose access to all Hotmail folders >> in OE after 30 June 2008, as will anyone else running Win9x or Win2K. >> Those running WinXP have several options. >> >> PCR wrote: >>> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote: >>>> Prolly tilting at another windmill. >>> >>> Well, I don't know enough about Windows Live to say whether he faces a >>> real problem with the new MS policy. (I never used it, & it looks to be >>> too complex to quickly fathom.) Sounds like he's got a lot of data he >>> fears he may lose. It's in yours & Hammer's hands! And MEB's! >>> >>>> PCR wrote: >>>>> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote: >>>>>> MEB wrote: >>>>>> <snip> >>>>>>> Moreover, as we are also presently discussing this in the OE news >>>>>>> group [soon to be defunct apparently]... >>>>>> >>>>>> Neither OE nor the OE newsgroups are "soon to be defunct." >>>>>> >>>>>> Although MS stopped all development of OE in 2006 (...), support for >>>>>> OE (i.e., critical security updates) will continue as long as the OS >>>>>> in which OE is running is supported. Although (twice-)Extended >>>>>> Support for Win9x ended in July 2006, WinXP SP3 will be supported >>>>>> through 2014. >>>>>> >>>>>> That being said and although MS has said nothing publically about >>>>>> this, I wouldn't be surprised if the little-trafficked >>>>>> microsoft.public.win98.internet.outlookexpress newsgroup disappeared >>>>>> from the MS newsserver soon. >>>>> >>>>> PA! Where is MEB? Have you & that MS personage Scott Hammer sent him >>>>> to oblivion at an irradiated, disappearing, booby-trapped NG!!?? >>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> OE-specific newsgroup: >>>>>> http://news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general
Guest thanatoid Posted April 30, 2008 Posted April 30, 2008 Re: Windows Live - no more Outlook Express "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in news:#9RtUnpqIHA.5096@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl: > Nope, still waiting for Scott or Live to respond... I hope you are a VERY patient man. > Not a windmill PA, but a real possibility. Particularly as > Microsoft is > attempting the take over of Yahoo. Might have bearing with > the FTC as well. > > Microsoft isn't god after all...Injunctions have been > issued for far less > than what is presently proposed. You either have me KF'd or decided to just not to reply to anything I say, but I will say this anyway: Nothing would please me more than a successful class-action suit by millions and millions of Hotmail users against MS. However I believe that the user agreement clearly states (as they ALL do) that the service is provided with no guarantees of /any/ kind. (Although even if it DID come with a guarantee I would still not keep my mail on it.) Of course, they make you sign a similar statement when you check into a hospital, so it may be a legally invalid clause due to it becoming as commonplace as to render it meaningless in RL. -- Of course, it is no easy matter to be polite; in so far, I mean, as it requires us to show great respect for everybody, whereas most people deserve none at all; and again in so far as it demands that we should feign the most lively interest in people, when we must be very glad that we have nothing to do with them. - Arthur Schopenhauer
Guest PA Bear [MS MVP] Posted April 30, 2008 Posted April 30, 2008 Re: Windows Live - no more Outlook Express What Frank said: Simply drag, Move, or Copy the Hotmail messages to one or more local OE folders created for this purpose. Dragging or Moving the messages will move Hotmail's copies to Hotmail's Deleted Items folder by default. Tip: Do NOT use OE's default Inbox or any other default OE folder for archiving messages. -- ~Robear Gary S. Terhune wrote: > And, since I didn't quite catch this part, the way to do that is to what, > "move" or "copy" them to local OE folders? Or is HM/Live so screwed up > that > even that doesn't work? > >> If he's still running Win98, he /will/ lose access to all Hotmail folders >> in OE after 30 June 2008, as will anyone else running Win9x or Win2K. >> Those running WinXP have several options. >> >>>> Prolly tilting at another windmill. <snip> >>>>> PA! Where is MEB? Have you & that MS personage Scott Hammer sent him >>>>> to oblivion at an irradiated, disappearing, booby-trapped NG!!??
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted April 30, 2008 Posted April 30, 2008 Re: Windows Live - no more Outlook Express And that works whether you're a paying member or not? -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com "Frank Saunders MS-MVP IE,OE/WM" <franksaunders@mvps.org> wrote in message news:40ADDCD5-6FE5-49AD-AB1A-FA2CD32CE08C@microsoft.com... > Make a local folder for the purpose and drag the to it. > > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > news:u6i6SIuqIHA.3900@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> And, since I didn't quite catch this part, the way to do that is to what, >> "move" or "copy" them to local OE folders? Or is HM/Live so screwed up >> that even that doesn't work? >> >> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:OZTfsZnqIHA.3804@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>> If he's still running Win98, he /will/ lose access to all Hotmail >>> folders in OE after 30 June 2008, as will anyone else running Win9x or >>> Win2K. Those running WinXP have several options. >>> >>> PCR wrote: >>>> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote: >>>>> Prolly tilting at another windmill. >>>> >>>> Well, I don't know enough about Windows Live to say whether he faces a >>>> real problem with the new MS policy. (I never used it, & it looks to be >>>> too complex to quickly fathom.) Sounds like he's got a lot of data he >>>> fears he may lose. It's in yours & Hammer's hands! And MEB's! >>>> >>>>> PCR wrote: >>>>>> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote: >>>>>>> MEB wrote: >>>>>>> <snip> >>>>>>>> Moreover, as we are also presently discussing this in the OE news >>>>>>>> group [soon to be defunct apparently]... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Neither OE nor the OE newsgroups are "soon to be defunct." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Although MS stopped all development of OE in 2006 (...), support for >>>>>>> OE (i.e., critical security updates) will continue as long as the OS >>>>>>> in which OE is running is supported. Although (twice-)Extended >>>>>>> Support for Win9x ended in July 2006, WinXP SP3 will be supported >>>>>>> through 2014. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That being said and although MS has said nothing publically about >>>>>>> this, I wouldn't be surprised if the little-trafficked >>>>>>> microsoft.public.win98.internet.outlookexpress newsgroup disappeared >>>>>>> from the MS newsserver soon. >>>>>> >>>>>> PA! Where is MEB? Have you & that MS personage Scott Hammer sent him >>>>>> to oblivion at an irradiated, disappearing, booby-trapped NG!!?? >>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> OE-specific newsgroup: >>>>>>> http://news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general >
Guest MEB Posted April 30, 2008 Posted April 30, 2008 Re: Windows Live - no more Outlook Express I'll use this one for response [as the rest are basically the same suggestions]. Sorry, this doesn't work for these accounts, which Live is well aware of. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com -- _________ "Frank Saunders MS-MVP IE,OE/WM" <franksaunders@mvps.org> wrote in message news:40ADDCD5-6FE5-49AD-AB1A-FA2CD32CE08C@microsoft.com... | Make a local folder for the purpose and drag the to it. | | "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | news:u6i6SIuqIHA.3900@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... | > And, since I didn't quite catch this part, the way to do that is to what, | > "move" or "copy" them to local OE folders? Or is HM/Live so screwed up | > that even that doesn't work? | > | > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message | > news:OZTfsZnqIHA.3804@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... | >> If he's still running Win98, he /will/ lose access to all Hotmail folders | >> in OE after 30 June 2008, as will anyone else running Win9x or Win2K. | >> Those running WinXP have several options. | >> | >> PCR wrote: | >>> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote: | >>>> Prolly tilting at another windmill. | >>> | >>> Well, I don't know enough about Windows Live to say whether he faces a | >>> real problem with the new MS policy. (I never used it, & it looks to be | >>> too complex to quickly fathom.) Sounds like he's got a lot of data he | >>> fears he may lose. It's in yours & Hammer's hands! And MEB's! | >>> | >>>> PCR wrote: | >>>>> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote: | >>>>>> MEB wrote: | >>>>>> <snip> | >>>>>>> Moreover, as we are also presently discussing this in the OE news | >>>>>>> group [soon to be defunct apparently]... | >>>>>> | >>>>>> Neither OE nor the OE newsgroups are "soon to be defunct." | >>>>>> | >>>>>> Although MS stopped all development of OE in 2006 (...), support for | >>>>>> OE (i.e., critical security updates) will continue as long as the OS | >>>>>> in which OE is running is supported. Although (twice-)Extended | >>>>>> Support for Win9x ended in July 2006, WinXP SP3 will be supported | >>>>>> through 2014. | >>>>>> | >>>>>> That being said and although MS has said nothing publically about | >>>>>> this, I wouldn't be surprised if the little-trafficked | >>>>>> microsoft.public.win98.internet.outlookexpress newsgroup disappeared | >>>>>> from the MS newsserver soon. | >>>>> | >>>>> PA! Where is MEB? Have you & that MS personage Scott Hammer sent him | >>>>> to oblivion at an irradiated, disappearing, booby-trapped NG!!?? | >>>>> | >>>>>> -- | >>>>>> OE-specific newsgroup: | >>>>>> http://news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general |
Guest MEB Posted April 30, 2008 Posted April 30, 2008 Re: Windows Live - no more Outlook Express Why would I have you KF'd? What was it that you presented, anywhere in this discussion group, that I was supposed to respond to? -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com -- _________ "thanatoid" <waiting@the.exit.invalid> wrote in message news:Xns9A907C3427A7Dthanexit@66.250.146.158... | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in | news:#9RtUnpqIHA.5096@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl: | | > Nope, still waiting for Scott or Live to respond... | | I hope you are a VERY patient man. | | > Not a windmill PA, but a real possibility. Particularly as | > Microsoft is | > attempting the take over of Yahoo. Might have bearing with | > the FTC as well. | > | > Microsoft isn't god after all...Injunctions have been | > issued for far less | > than what is presently proposed. | | You either have me KF'd or decided to just not to reply to | anything I say, but I will say this anyway: | | Nothing would please me more than a successful class-action suit | by millions and millions of Hotmail users against MS. However I | believe that the user agreement clearly states (as they ALL do) | that the service is provided with no guarantees of /any/ kind. | (Although even if it DID come with a guarantee I would still not | keep my mail on it.) | | Of course, they make you sign a similar statement when you check | into a hospital, so it may be a legally invalid clause due to it | becoming as commonplace as to render it meaningless in RL. | | | | -- | Of course, it is no easy matter to be polite; in so far, I mean, | as it requires us to show great respect for everybody, whereas | most people deserve none at all; and again in so far as it | demands that we should feign the most lively interest in people, | when we must be very glad that we have nothing to do with them. | | - Arthur Schopenhauer
Guest PA Bear [MS MVP] Posted April 30, 2008 Posted April 30, 2008 Re: Windows Live - no more Outlook Express Yes, at least until after 30 June 2008 when all Hotmail messages and folders will disappear (in OE only) when/if OE attempts to synchronize with the non-existant WebDAV servers. NB: If you uncheck "Include this account when receiving mail and synchronizing" in OE Tools | Accounts | Mail | Hotmail | Properties | General by 30 June 2008 and do NOT attempt to synchronize with the Hotmail servers manually (via Send/Receive dropdown menu), the messages and folders /should/ not be affected. -- ~Robear Gary S. Terhune wrote: > And that works whether you're a paying member or not? > > > "Frank Saunders MS-MVP IE,OE/WM" <franksaunders@mvps.org> wrote in message > news:40ADDCD5-6FE5-49AD-AB1A-FA2CD32CE08C@microsoft.com... >> Make a local folder for the purpose and drag the to it. >> >> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message >> news:u6i6SIuqIHA.3900@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>> And, since I didn't quite catch this part, the way to do that is to >>> what, >>> "move" or "copy" them to local OE folders? Or is HM/Live so screwed up >>> that even that doesn't work? >>> >>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:OZTfsZnqIHA.3804@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>> If he's still running Win98, he /will/ lose access to all Hotmail >>>> folders in OE after 30 June 2008, as will anyone else running Win9x or >>>> Win2K. Those running WinXP have several options. >>>> >>>> PCR wrote: >>>>> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote: >>>>>> Prolly tilting at another windmill. >>>>> >>>>> Well, I don't know enough about Windows Live to say whether he faces a >>>>> real problem with the new MS policy. (I never used it, & it looks to >>>>> be >>>>> too complex to quickly fathom.) Sounds like he's got a lot of data he >>>>> fears he may lose. It's in yours & Hammer's hands! And MEB's! >>>>> >>>>>> PCR wrote: >>>>>>> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote: >>>>>>>> MEB wrote: >>>>>>>> <snip> >>>>>>>>> Moreover, as we are also presently discussing this in the OE news >>>>>>>>> group [soon to be defunct apparently]... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Neither OE nor the OE newsgroups are "soon to be defunct." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Although MS stopped all development of OE in 2006 (...), support >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> OE (i.e., critical security updates) will continue as long as the >>>>>>>> OS >>>>>>>> in which OE is running is supported. Although (twice-)Extended >>>>>>>> Support for Win9x ended in July 2006, WinXP SP3 will be supported >>>>>>>> through 2014. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That being said and although MS has said nothing publically about >>>>>>>> this, I wouldn't be surprised if the little-trafficked >>>>>>>> microsoft.public.win98.internet.outlookexpress newsgroup >>>>>>>> disappeared >>>>>>>> from the MS newsserver soon. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> PA! Where is MEB? Have you & that MS personage Scott Hammer sent him >>>>>>> to oblivion at an irradiated, disappearing, booby-trapped NG!!?? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> OE-specific newsgroup: >>>>>>>> http://news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general
Guest PA Bear [MS MVP] Posted April 30, 2008 Posted April 30, 2008 Re: Windows Live - no more Outlook Express Apples and oranges: It does work if the messages are available in (have been downloaded to) the Hotmail-in-OE folders, Maurice. The fact that some/many/most of yours are not available has nothing to do with this functionality. -- ~PA Bear MEB wrote: > Sorry, this doesn't work for these accounts, which Live is well aware of. > >> Make a local folder for the purpose and drag the to it. >> >>> And, since I didn't quite catch this part, the way to do that is to >>> what, >>> "move" or "copy" them to local OE folders? Or is HM/Live so screwed up >>> that even that doesn't work? >>> >>>> If he's still running Win98, he /will/ lose access to all Hotmail >>>> folders >>>> in OE after 30 June 2008, as will anyone else running Win9x or Win2K. >>>> Those running WinXP have several options.
Guest PA Bear [MS MVP] Posted April 30, 2008 Posted April 30, 2008 Re: Windows Live - no more Outlook Express thanatoid wrote: <snip> > ...However I > believe that the user agreement clearly states (as they ALL do) > that the service is provided with no guarantees of /any/ kind. <QP> 21. LIABILITY LIMITATION. You can recover from the Microsoft parties only direct damages up to an amount *equal to your service fee* [emphasis added] for one month. You cannot recover any other damages, including consequential, lost profits, special, indirect, incidental or punitive damages. <snip> [This limitation] also applies even if: • this remedy does not fully compensate you for any losses, or fails of its essential purpose; or • Microsoft knew or should have known about the possibility of the damages. <snip> 22. Changes to the Service; If We Cancel the Service. We may change the service or delete features at any time and for any reason. We may cancel or suspend your service at any time. Our cancellation or suspension may be without cause and/or without notice. Upon service cancellation, your right to use the service stops right away. Once the service is cancelled or suspended, any data you have stored on the service may not be retrieved later. <snip> 29. Contracting Party, Choice of Law and Location for Resolving Disputes. ....You and we irrevocably consent to the exclusive jurisdiction and venue of the state or federal courts in King County, Washington, USA for all disputes arising out of or relating to this contract. <snip> Support Customer support is not offered for the service, unless provided otherwise in this contract or the materials we publish in connection with a particular service specify that it includes customer support. </QP> Source: http://help.live.com/help.aspx?project=tou&mkt=en-us Translation: If it's a free Hotmail account, you're SOL. -- ~PA Bear
Guest thanatoid Posted April 30, 2008 Posted April 30, 2008 Re: Windows Live - no more Outlook Express "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in news:#BKX82uqIHA.3568@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl: > Why would I have you KF'd? I tend to bring that action out in people. ;-) > What was it that you presented, anywhere in this > discussion group, that I > was supposed to respond to? I admit it is presumptuous of me to think that something I write deserves a reply to begin with, and I also understand you are very upset and busy with the situation of possibly losing all your important email, but theoretically speaking, /someone/ (not necessarily you, but /including/ you) /could/ have commented on my longish post about how no one should trust ANY piece of hardware on this planet (like MS mail servers) with anything of theirs (like important email) - ONLY their own computer(s) and/or CD/DVD backup(s). Anyway, I have not been following closely but I certainly hope that SOME way of solving your (and millions of others') problem can be found. Regards t. -- Of course, it is no easy matter to be polite; in so far, I mean, as it requires us to show great respect for everybody, whereas most people deserve none at all; and again in so far as it demands that we should feign the most lively interest in people, when we must be very glad that we have nothing to do with them. - Arthur Schopenhauer
Guest thanatoid Posted April 30, 2008 Posted April 30, 2008 Re: Windows Live - no more Outlook Express "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in news:#C561TvqIHA.4884@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl: > <QP> > 21. LIABILITY LIMITATION. > You can recover from the Microsoft parties only direct > damages up to an amount *equal to your service fee* > [emphasis added] for one month. You cannot recover any > other damages, No one cares about their $20/year (or whatever the paid accounts cost), people care about their often invaluable MAIL CONTENT. Just like most people with a brain would probably rather have a computer do something in 10 seconds with solid windows in the GUI than in 2 minutes with semi-transparent windows with shadows. (Just rough estimates - my relationship with MS stopped with 98SE {Lite'd} so I have no idea EXACTLY what "important improvements" and at what cost Vista has brought upon the world). <SNIP the standard legalese> >...You and we irrevocably consent to > the exclusive jurisdiction and venue of the state or > federal courts in King County, Washington Isn't it time the county name was changed to Gates County or Microsoft County? <SNIP> > Translation: If it's a free Hotmail account, you're SOL. I am reasonably certain you are equally SOL even if it is a paid one, but anyone who uses webmail - let alone for important things - well... Regards t. -- Of course, it is no easy matter to be polite; in so far, I mean, as it requires us to show great respect for everybody, whereas most people deserve none at all; and again in so far as it demands that we should feign the most lively interest in people, when we must be very glad that we have nothing to do with them. - Arthur Schopenhauer
Guest MEB Posted April 30, 2008 Posted April 30, 2008 Re: Windows Live - no more Outlook Express "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message news:OBD$aLvqIHA.4952@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... | Apples and oranges: It does work if the messages are available in (have been | downloaded to) the Hotmail-in-OE folders, Maurice. The fact that | some/many/most of yours are not available has nothing to do with this | functionality. | -- | ~PA Bear Ah but it does to those millions of users {per Scott} that may presently have linked accounts, which may have used the accounts as a repository, which apparently will no longer have that access UNLESS they use XP SP2 or VISTA. Remember, this ISN'T Microsoft's OS, or its EMAIL client, or anything related. It IS a publicly offered SERVICE, in which millions of users may now be unduly affected by the change, with NO WAY presently provided by the service to remove their property. As for your SOL,, or even the service agreement presentation,, these are written by attorney's to disuade suits. They are not "iron plate", nor "bullet proof". | | MEB wrote: | > Sorry, this doesn't work for these accounts, which Live is well aware of. | > | >> Make a local folder for the purpose and drag the to it. | >> | >>> And, since I didn't quite catch this part, the way to do that is to | >>> what, | >>> "move" or "copy" them to local OE folders? Or is HM/Live so screwed up | >>> that even that doesn't work? | >>> | >>>> If he's still running Win98, he /will/ lose access to all Hotmail | >>>> folders | >>>> in OE after 30 June 2008, as will anyone else running Win9x or Win2K. | >>>> Those running WinXP have several options. | -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com -- _________
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted April 30, 2008 Posted April 30, 2008 Re: Windows Live - no more Outlook Express Thank you, gentlemen. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message news:%23nMNe6uqIHA.1872@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > Yes, at least until after 30 June 2008 when all Hotmail messages and > folders will disappear (in OE only) when/if OE attempts to synchronize > with the non-existant WebDAV servers. > > NB: If you uncheck "Include this account when receiving mail and > synchronizing" in OE Tools | Accounts | Mail | Hotmail | Properties | > General by 30 June 2008 and do NOT attempt to synchronize with the Hotmail > servers manually (via Send/Receive dropdown menu), the messages and > folders /should/ not be affected. > -- > ~Robear > > > Gary S. Terhune wrote: >> And that works whether you're a paying member or not? >> >> >> "Frank Saunders MS-MVP IE,OE/WM" <franksaunders@mvps.org> wrote in >> message >> news:40ADDCD5-6FE5-49AD-AB1A-FA2CD32CE08C@microsoft.com... >>> Make a local folder for the purpose and drag the to it. >>> >>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message >>> news:u6i6SIuqIHA.3900@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>>> And, since I didn't quite catch this part, the way to do that is to >>>> what, >>>> "move" or "copy" them to local OE folders? Or is HM/Live so screwed up >>>> that even that doesn't work? >>>> >>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>> news:OZTfsZnqIHA.3804@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>>> If he's still running Win98, he /will/ lose access to all Hotmail >>>>> folders in OE after 30 June 2008, as will anyone else running Win9x or >>>>> Win2K. Those running WinXP have several options. >>>>> >>>>> PCR wrote: >>>>>> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote: >>>>>>> Prolly tilting at another windmill. >>>>>> >>>>>> Well, I don't know enough about Windows Live to say whether he faces >>>>>> a >>>>>> real problem with the new MS policy. (I never used it, & it looks to >>>>>> be >>>>>> too complex to quickly fathom.) Sounds like he's got a lot of data he >>>>>> fears he may lose. It's in yours & Hammer's hands! And MEB's! >>>>>> >>>>>>> PCR wrote: >>>>>>>> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote: >>>>>>>>> MEB wrote: >>>>>>>>> <snip> >>>>>>>>>> Moreover, as we are also presently discussing this in the OE news >>>>>>>>>> group [soon to be defunct apparently]... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Neither OE nor the OE newsgroups are "soon to be defunct." >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Although MS stopped all development of OE in 2006 (...), support >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> OE (i.e., critical security updates) will continue as long as the >>>>>>>>> OS >>>>>>>>> in which OE is running is supported. Although (twice-)Extended >>>>>>>>> Support for Win9x ended in July 2006, WinXP SP3 will be supported >>>>>>>>> through 2014. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> That being said and although MS has said nothing publically about >>>>>>>>> this, I wouldn't be surprised if the little-trafficked >>>>>>>>> microsoft.public.win98.internet.outlookexpress newsgroup >>>>>>>>> disappeared >>>>>>>>> from the MS newsserver soon. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> PA! Where is MEB? Have you & that MS personage Scott Hammer sent >>>>>>>> him >>>>>>>> to oblivion at an irradiated, disappearing, booby-trapped NG!!?? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> OE-specific newsgroup: >>>>>>>>> http://news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general >
Guest PCR Posted May 1, 2008 Posted May 1, 2008 Re: Windows Live - no more Outlook Express MEB wrote: | Nope, still waiting for Scott or Live to respond... Ah! There you are! My apologies to Bear & Hammer for thinking they may have done you in! And I hope you discover how to migrate your files too. | Not a windmill PA, but a real possibility. Particularly as Microsoft | is attempting the take over of Yahoo. Might have bearing with the FTC | as well. I realized afterward it was a class action lawsuit that Bear referred to as a windmill. OK. I'm not sure-- didn't they say how to download your files/E-Mails? | Microsoft isn't god after all...Injunctions have been issued for far | less than what is presently proposed. It looks like that contract of MS's regarding the software is ironclad, unless thanatoid or you have a point. (Maybe you do.) But can't you just get your files? | -- | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | -- | _________ | | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message | news:OaB6HgnqIHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... || PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote: || | If he's still running Win98, he /will/ lose access to all Hotmail || | folders in OE after 30 June 2008, as will anyone else running Win9x || | or Win2K. Those running WinXP have several options. || || Uh-oh-- that's no Cervantes windmill, then! But you &/or Hammer told || him how to save it, right? (I didn't quite get it.) || || | PCR wrote: || |> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote: || |>> Prolly tilting at another windmill. || |> || |> Well, I don't know enough about Windows Live to say whether he || |> faces a real problem with the new MS policy. (I never used it, & || |> it looks to be too complex to quickly fathom.) Sounds like he's || |> got a lot of data he fears he may lose. It's in yours & Hammer's || |> hands! And MEB's! || |> || |>> PCR wrote: || |>>> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote: || |>>>> MEB wrote: || |>>>> <snip> || |>>>>> Moreover, as we are also presently discussing this in the OE || |>>>>> news group [soon to be defunct apparently]... || |>>>> || |>>>> Neither OE nor the OE newsgroups are "soon to be defunct." || |>>>> || |>>>> Although MS stopped all development of OE in 2006 (...), || |>>>> support for OE (i.e., critical security updates) will continue || |>>>> as long as the OS in which OE is running is supported. || |>>>> Although (twice-)Extended Support for Win9x ended in July || |>>>> 2006, WinXP SP3 will be supported through 2014. || |>>>> || |>>>> That being said and although MS has said nothing publically || |>>>> about this, I wouldn't be surprised if the little-trafficked || |>>>> microsoft.public.win98.internet.outlookexpress newsgroup || |>>>> disappeared from the MS newsserver soon. || |>>> || |>>> PA! Where is MEB? Have you & that MS personage Scott Hammer sent || |>>> him to oblivion at an irradiated, disappearing, booby-trapped || |>>> NG!!?? || |>>> || |>>>> -- || |>>>> OE-specific newsgroup: || |>>>> || http://news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general || |>>>> || |>>>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) || |>>>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since || |>>>> 2002 || || -- || Thanks or Good Luck, || There may be humor in this post, and, || Naturally, you will not sue, || Should things get worse after this, || PCR || pcrrcp@netzero.net -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR pcrrcp@netzero.net
Guest N. Miller Posted May 1, 2008 Posted May 1, 2008 Re: Windows Live - no more Outlook Express "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:u%23hG52uqIHA.3568@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > "Frank Saunders MS-MVP IE,OE/WM" <franksaunders@mvps.org> wrote in message > news:40ADDCD5-6FE5-49AD-AB1A-FA2CD32CE08C@microsoft.com... > | "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > | news:u6i6SIuqIHA.3900@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > | > And, since I didn't quite catch this part, the way to do that is to > what, > | > "move" or "copy" them to local OE folders? Or is HM/Live so screwed up > | > that even that doesn't work? > | Make a local folder for the purpose and drag the to it. > I'll use this one for response [as the rest are basically the same > suggestions]. > > Sorry, this doesn't work for these accounts, which Live is well aware of. I just tried moving email from a Windows Live Hotmail account folder, to an MS Outlook Express Local Folder. The email messages were successfully moved from the server to the local client. I then tried a rigth click on the selected messages in the Local Folders of MSOE, and used the context menu to call for a copy back to the Windows Live Hotmail account folder. The files, which had be removed from the server by the "Move" action, were replaced on the server by the "Copy:" action. -- Norman ~Shine, bright morning light, ~now in the air the spring is coming. ~Sweet, blowing wind, ~singing down the hills and valleys.
Guest N. Miller Posted May 1, 2008 Posted May 1, 2008 Re: Windows Live - no more Outlook Express "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:OFx0AFxqIHA.3508@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:OBD$aLvqIHA.4952@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > | Apples and oranges: It does work if the messages are available in (have > | been| downloaded to) the Hotmail-in-OE folders, Maurice. The fact that > | some/many/most of yours are not available has nothing to do with this > | functionality. > Ah but it does to those millions of users {per Scott} that may presently > have linked accounts, which may have used the accounts as a repository, > which apparently will no longer have that access UNLESS they use XP SP2 or > VISTA. What, exactly, is a "linked" account? How does it work? I've read your posts up to this one, but they read like legal briefs, full of lawyer "pursuant to"s, and other jargon, which carries no techical meaning that I can grasp. > Remember, this ISN'T Microsoft's OS, or its EMAIL client, or anything > related. It IS a publicly offered SERVICE, in which millions of users may > now be unduly affected by the change, with NO WAY presently provided by > the > service to remove their property. > > As for your SOL,, or even the service agreement presentation,, these are > written by attorney's to disuade suits. They are not "iron plate", nor > "bullet proof". OTOH, I would be seriously dissuaded from offering anything which might be remotely construed as a "Public Service", if such an operation were so easily found financially liable for damages in the event of a meltdown, despite any legal disclaimers. Of course, maybe that is your intent, in the end? Bringing financial ruin down on people whose service fails to perform to your expectations, even when the provdier disclaims any guarantees?
Guest PA Bear [MS MVP] Posted May 1, 2008 Posted May 1, 2008 Re: Windows Live - no more Outlook Express [Ooo, this should be good! <eg>] N. Miller wrote: > "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:OFx0AFxqIHA.3508@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:OBD$aLvqIHA.4952@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>> Apples and oranges: It does work if the messages are available in (have >>> been| downloaded to) the Hotmail-in-OE folders, Maurice. The fact that >>> some/many/most of yours are not available has nothing to do with this >>> functionality. > >> Ah but it does to those millions of users {per Scott} that may presently >> have linked accounts, which may have used the accounts as a repository, >> which apparently will no longer have that access UNLESS they use XP SP2 >> or >> VISTA. > > What, exactly, is a "linked" account? How does it work? I've read your > posts > up to this one, but they read like legal briefs, full of lawyer "pursuant > to"s, and other jargon, which carries no techical meaning that I can > grasp. > >> Remember, this ISN'T Microsoft's OS, or its EMAIL client, or anything >> related. It IS a publicly offered SERVICE, in which millions of users may >> now be unduly affected by the change, with NO WAY presently provided by >> the >> service to remove their property. >> >> As for your SOL,, or even the service agreement presentation,, these are >> written by attorney's to disuade suits. They are not "iron plate", nor >> "bullet proof". > > OTOH, I would be seriously dissuaded from offering anything which might be > remotely construed as a "Public Service", if such an operation were so > easily found financially liable for damages in the event of a meltdown, > despite any legal disclaimers. Of course, maybe that is your intent, in > the > end? Bringing financial ruin down on people whose service fails to perform > to your expectations, even when the provdier disclaims any guarantees?
Guest PA Bear [MS MVP] Posted May 1, 2008 Posted May 1, 2008 Re: Windows Live - no more Outlook Express [Yes, but those messages were available to you in the Hotmail-in-OE folder(s), Norman. It would appear that most of MEB's aren't available (i.e., message headers are present in the Hotmail-in-OE folders but the message bodies can't be retrieved from the server). He's not told us if these messages are available via the webmail page.] N. Miller wrote: > I just tried moving email from a Windows Live Hotmail account folder, to > an > MS Outlook Express Local Folder. The email messages were successfully > moved > from the server to the local client. I then tried a rigth click on the > selected messages in the Local Folders of MSOE, and used the context menu > to > call for a copy back to the Windows Live Hotmail account folder. The > files, > which had be removed from the server by the "Move" action, were replaced > on > the server by the "Copy:" action.
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