Upgrading recognition

[Guest CryptiniteDemon]

Okay, I have a few questions and hopefully I can explain it clear enough for

you guys to follow me.

 

Basically I'm upgrading an NT 4.0 domain to 2003. There's a PDC and a BDC.

The original domain name is something like "CW-PS-CTRL"

 

Now, when I upgraded, the systems to 2003 using the install disk, the domain

name became "CW-PS-CTRL.CW.com"

 

Basically all the computers hooked up logged into the domain fine after this

upgrade. The XP machines even renamed themselves from belonging to

CW-PS-CTRL to belonging to CW-PS-CTRL.CW.com

 

NoW what I did after was take the 2003 upgrades, image them and then stored

them away on similar hardware for test purposes. I then redid my machines to

go back to NT 4.0 and then had all the computers in the network join the old

domain name of CW-PS-CTRL. So they all logged in again.

 

Now after that I exchanged my NT boxes for the 2003 boxes that I imaged. In

other words, just a hardware swap. However, this time, the XP machines

wouldn't rename themselves to join the CW-PS-CTRL.CW.com domain like they did

when I first upgraded the domain. They wouldn't log in to the new boxes if

done this way.

 

Why is this? I need to know because It may be important for how my boss

wants to do things.

[Guest Meinolf Weber]

Re: Upgrading recognition

 

Hello CryptiniteDemon,

 

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Best regards

 

Meinolf Weber

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> Okay, I have a few questions and hopefully I can explain it clear

> enough for you guys to follow me.

>

> Basically I'm upgrading an NT 4.0 domain to 2003. There's a PDC and a

> BDC. The original domain name is something like "CW-PS-CTRL"

>

> Now, when I upgraded, the systems to 2003 using the install disk, the

> domain name became "CW-PS-CTRL.CW.com"

 

So you did an inplace upgrade from the NT4 or do you use ADMT? Normally the

domain name will be displayed during upgrade and you choose yes or you have

to type the name yourself. A bit strange for me that it changed itself or

did i misunderstand you?

> Basically all the computers hooked up logged into the domain fine

> after this upgrade. The XP machines even renamed themselves from

> belonging to CW-PS-CTRL to belonging to CW-PS-CTRL.CW.com

 

The machines are not effected if everything goes fine during the upgrade,

like you saw.

> NoW what I did after was take the 2003 upgrades, image them and then

> stored them away on similar hardware for test purposes. I then redid

> my machines to go back to NT 4.0 and then had all the computers in the

> network join the old domain name of CW-PS-CTRL. So they all logged in

> again.

 

What do you mean with redid your machines back to NT4?

> Now after that I exchanged my NT boxes for the 2003 boxes that I

> imaged. In other words, just a hardware swap. However, this time,

> the XP machines wouldn't rename themselves to join the

> CW-PS-CTRL.CW.com domain like they did when I first upgraded the

> domain. They wouldn't log in to the new boxes if done this way.

> Why is this? I need to know because It may be important for how my

> boss wants to do things.

 

Ofcourse not, because you bring them back to the old domain like you said

with the CW-PS-CTRL name. So if you now just connect them to the new domain

CW-PS-CTRL.CW.com, the DomainSID it is different. You have to add them by

hand to the new domain now.

 

And i do not really understand why you more or less undo your upgrade, can

you explain?

[Guest CryptiniteDemon]

Re: Upgrading recognition

 

Well basically I make ghost images of everything I do, which keeps the SID

and all that stuff.

 

So I have images of the NT domain PDC and BDC.

And I also have images of the 2003 DCs.

 

Basically after an in-place upgrade to 2003, everything goes smoothly for

the transition from CW-PS-CTRL to CW-PS-CTRL.com

 

But then after that I put in place the NT domain. (aka reimaged the

computer) Then after that, reset all the computers in the domain to use the

nt domain name instead of the 2003 one.

 

Then after that, I took out the NT PDC and BDC and dropped in the 2003

images, which still have the same SID as when I upgraded them manually

because the images hold onto the SID

 

But the whole reason I'm undoing the upgrade is basically my boss wants to

be able to drop in some NT boxes in case our upgrade goes awry and we have to

set everything back to NT. Our operation requires that our PCs stay running

(very small windows for shut down). Things could blow up if we screw it up.

Literally. Basically we just don't have the resources to manually reset our

200+ manufacturing PCs to a domain, so we're running through every scenario

with our test hardware and seeing how things play out.

[Guest Meinolf Weber]

Re: Upgrading recognition

 

Hello CryptiniteDemon,

 

see inline

 

Best regards

 

Meinolf Weber

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> Well basically I make ghost images of everything I do, which keeps the

> SID and all that stuff.

 

You should NEVER work with imaged DC's, especialy if you have more then one

DC, you get conflicts with replication.

> So I have images of the NT domain PDC and BDC.

> And I also have images of the 2003 DCs.

> Basically after an in-place upgrade to 2003, everything goes smoothly

> for the transition from CW-PS-CTRL to CW-PS-CTRL.com

> But then after that I put in place the NT domain. (aka reimaged the

> computer) Then after that, reset all the computers in the domain to

> use the nt domain name instead of the 2003 one.

 

How did you do it, if not rejoining the computer to the domain by hand?

> Then after that, I took out the NT PDC and BDC and dropped in the 2003

> images, which still have the same SID as when I upgraded them manually

> because the images hold onto the SID

>

> But the whole reason I'm undoing the upgrade is basically my boss

> wants to be able to drop in some NT boxes in case our upgrade goes

> awry and we have to set everything back to NT. Our operation requires

> that our PCs stay running (very small windows for shut down). Things

> could blow up if we screw it up. Literally. Basically we just don't

> have the resources to manually reset our 200+ manufacturing PCs to a

> domain, so we're running through every scenario with our test hardware

> and seeing how things play out.

>

[Guest CryptiniteDemon]

Re: Upgrading recognition

 

Well I did that part by hand when I go back to the NT domain. And it's not

really this part I'm all that concerned about.

 

The part that gets me is why when I drop in the 2003 servers (after the

"downgrade") none of the computers recognize the domain.

[Guest Meinolf Weber]

Re: Upgrading recognition

 

Hello CryptiniteDemon,

 

After your upgrade everything will be fine but then you added the workstation

from the 2003 domain to ANOTHER domain without .com at the end. This will

create a new entry in the NT4 domain SAM for this computer. And if you then

just connect it again to the 2003 domain, the client is NOT longer known

in the 2003 domain because it's SID is not longer the same as before. Sorry,

that i can not better explain in detail.

 

Best regards

 

Meinolf Weber

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> Well I did that part by hand when I go back to the NT domain. And

> it's not really this part I'm all that concerned about.

>

> The part that gets me is why when I drop in the 2003 servers (after

> the "downgrade") none of the computers recognize the domain.

>

[Guest CryptiniteDemon]

Re: Upgrading recognition

 

That makes sense.

 

Thanks for your help