coliveloyyd Posted September 10, 2010 Posted September 10, 2010 window 7 is consider as fast. but beside it what are more thing which you like in window 7.... and why ? Give logical reason... .
BunniLeigh Posted September 10, 2010 Posted September 10, 2010 since ive only been using win7 for a couple of days, at this point it would be easier for me to point out a couple of things i dont like, but i guess will get used to :)
Synapse Posted September 10, 2010 Posted September 10, 2010 I like that fact that its shuts down really quickly. Then I can go and switch on my mac and enjoy computing heaven without any signs of a registry
ErikAlbert Posted September 14, 2010 Posted September 14, 2010 (edited) I was never pleasantly surprised by any Windows. I used win2000pro and then winXPpro, I didn't see any remarkable difference. Besides I don't work with Windows, I work with my Application softwares and security softwares to protect Windows all the time, because Microsoft fails to do it. So surprise me with the major improvements of Windows Se7en, I'm curious and I can't do anything with speed, that's not a function, I need functionality and possibilities. Edited September 14, 2010 by ErikAlbert ErikAlbert - "Simplicity is always brilliant" - "Every software sucks, some softwares suck more than others."Security : FirstDefense-ISR + Anti-Executable + Sandboxie + ShadowProtect - no scanners, no cleaners.My security doesn't recognize malware like scanners, malware is removed because it changed something. :cool:
Dalo Harkin Posted September 15, 2010 Posted September 15, 2010 I was never pleasantly surprised by any Windows. I used win2000pro and then winXPpro, I didn't see any remarkable difference. Besides I don't work with Windows, I work with my Application softwares and security softwares to protect Windows all the time, because Microsoft fails to do it. So surprise me with the major improvements of Windows Se7en, I'm curious and I can't do anything with speed, that's not a function, I need functionality and possibilities. You'll be wanting Linux then, BUT its not an easy transisition from a Windows OS to a Linux one... Intel Q6600 @ 4Ghz (Watercooled)Asus P5K premium black pearl4GB OCZ Reaper 8500260GTX Join Free PC Help - Register here Donations are welcome - here PC Build We are all members helping other members.Please return here where you may be able to help someone else.After all, no one knows everything and you may have the answer that someone needs.
ErikAlbert Posted September 15, 2010 Posted September 15, 2010 (edited) You'll be wanting Linux then, BUT its not an easy transisition from a Windows OS to a Linux one... I don't believe in Linux as a safer solution on long term. Linux is safer at this moment, but that won't last forever. Linux is getting more and more popular in the world and will become an interesting target for malware-writers. Once Linux is a target, Linux will become a second Windows. It already happened, if you read this : Linux malware - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia In fact Linux is even more dangerous, because every Linux-user thinks that nothing can hurt him and that's why malware will survive longer on a Linux-computer than on a Windows-computer. If Linux was used by 85% of the world, it would be just as vulnerable as Windows. If you think that Linux will stop malware-writers, than you must be naïve. Firefox was in the beginning the safest browser in the world and nobody could stand a bad word about Firefox and there were many arguments why Firefox was safe, just like Linux. Nowadays Firefox must be patched regularly to cover its security holes and to keep it safe, just because Firefox became too popular and a beautiful target for malware-writers. Firefox isn't the safest browser anymore, Opera is now the safest one. The same will happen to Linux. History always repeats itself, but nobody seems to learn from the past. I prefer to defend the most attacked operating system in the world and to learn how to do it. Edited September 15, 2010 by ErikAlbert ErikAlbert - "Simplicity is always brilliant" - "Every software sucks, some softwares suck more than others."Security : FirstDefense-ISR + Anti-Executable + Sandboxie + ShadowProtect - no scanners, no cleaners.My security doesn't recognize malware like scanners, malware is removed because it changed something. :cool:
RandyL Posted September 15, 2010 Posted September 15, 2010 In case anyone has not noticed the original poster was banned. A spammer in disguise. In any case the thread was about what people liked about Windows 7. We are all members helping other members. Please return here where you may be able to help someone else. After all, no one knows everything and you may have the answer that someone needs.Get help with computer problems. Join Free PC Help here Donations are welcome. Read Here
Dalo Harkin Posted September 15, 2010 Posted September 15, 2010 I prefer to defend the most attacked operating system in the world and to learn how to do it. In short you can't ;) Intel Q6600 @ 4Ghz (Watercooled)Asus P5K premium black pearl4GB OCZ Reaper 8500260GTX Join Free PC Help - Register here Donations are welcome - here PC Build We are all members helping other members.Please return here where you may be able to help someone else.After all, no one knows everything and you may have the answer that someone needs.
ErikAlbert Posted September 15, 2010 Posted September 15, 2010 In short you can't ;) Well, I'm running an experimental security-setup during 5 years already and so far so good. It has beaten any scanner in the world so far and it has a clean HijackThis Log. Look at my signature, I don't use any scanner. I will do the same with Windows 7, once I have it on my computer, unless Windows 7 has a much better built-in security than winXPpro, but I doubt that very much, because Microsoft has nothing but a bunch of security softwares without any security plan behind it. ErikAlbert - "Simplicity is always brilliant" - "Every software sucks, some softwares suck more than others."Security : FirstDefense-ISR + Anti-Executable + Sandboxie + ShadowProtect - no scanners, no cleaners.My security doesn't recognize malware like scanners, malware is removed because it changed something. :cool:
Dalo Harkin Posted September 15, 2010 Posted September 15, 2010 I use IE and MSE and have done since it was released, used to use Windows Live Onecare (before it was replaced with MSE) and in over 5 years never had malware/spyware or a virus ;) Intel Q6600 @ 4Ghz (Watercooled)Asus P5K premium black pearl4GB OCZ Reaper 8500260GTX Join Free PC Help - Register here Donations are welcome - here PC Build We are all members helping other members.Please return here where you may be able to help someone else.After all, no one knows everything and you may have the answer that someone needs.
ErikAlbert Posted September 15, 2010 Posted September 15, 2010 I use IE and MSE and have done since it was released, used to use Windows Live Onecare (before it was replaced with MSE) and in over 5 years never had malware/spyware or a virus ;) Users with the same set-up are still getting in trouble according my readings in forums. MSE is just a scanner with the same disadvantages like any other scanner. If MSE tells you "No malware found", do you really believe that message ? I never did. I always thought "and what about the rest, you didn't find ?" ErikAlbert - "Simplicity is always brilliant" - "Every software sucks, some softwares suck more than others."Security : FirstDefense-ISR + Anti-Executable + Sandboxie + ShadowProtect - no scanners, no cleaners.My security doesn't recognize malware like scanners, malware is removed because it changed something. :cool:
Dalo Harkin Posted September 15, 2010 Posted September 15, 2010 I'm more than competent when it comes to Malware, I have ran MB and HJT plenty of times just to check all is ok, and it is. Not one thing over the years. Intel Q6600 @ 4Ghz (Watercooled)Asus P5K premium black pearl4GB OCZ Reaper 8500260GTX Join Free PC Help - Register here Donations are welcome - here PC Build We are all members helping other members.Please return here where you may be able to help someone else.After all, no one knows everything and you may have the answer that someone needs.
Bobhamer Posted September 15, 2010 Posted September 15, 2010 Id'e like windows xp in it so I don't have to use the bloody annoying thing
Dalo Harkin Posted September 15, 2010 Posted September 15, 2010 Id'e like windows xp in it so I don't have to use the bloody annoying thing But then you wouldnt get support ;) M$ like any other business discontinues products to make people move up a notch making them more money, Windows 7 is what Vista should have been, as W7 is based on Vista they are not too dissimilar, but I still prefer Vista, preference really as I prefer Server 2003 to 2008. Newer is not always better but XP is long past its sell by date, its only the most used OS due to corporate compatibility with servers :) Intel Q6600 @ 4Ghz (Watercooled)Asus P5K premium black pearl4GB OCZ Reaper 8500260GTX Join Free PC Help - Register here Donations are welcome - here PC Build We are all members helping other members.Please return here where you may be able to help someone else.After all, no one knows everything and you may have the answer that someone needs.
ErikAlbert Posted September 15, 2010 Posted September 15, 2010 (edited) I installed MSE, my winXPpro was legal (pffft), a very long updating, then I was ready. Then MSE ran a "Quick scan" without my permission, because I wanted a "full scan", but I didn't cancel it. The "Quick scan" didn't detect anything as usual. Then I ran a "Full scan" : one false positives in the installation-file of ShadowProtect Desktop, which is a known false positive and confirmed by StorageCraft. So I'm clean according MSE as usual. Users must be very patient to have MSE on board, it took 73 minuts to scan my system, I do the same job in 2 minutes. I uninstalled MSE with a single reboot, I don't want a scanner that doesn't detect anything. I wished I found a scanner, that detected something on my harddisks to prove my experimental security-setup is wrong, that would be very surprising and exciting to me. Is this the very best security-software of Microsoft at this moment for Windows 7 ? Any other good security tools of Microsoft for Windows 7 ? Edited September 15, 2010 by ErikAlbert ErikAlbert - "Simplicity is always brilliant" - "Every software sucks, some softwares suck more than others."Security : FirstDefense-ISR + Anti-Executable + Sandboxie + ShadowProtect - no scanners, no cleaners.My security doesn't recognize malware like scanners, malware is removed because it changed something. :cool:
ErikAlbert Posted September 15, 2010 Posted September 15, 2010 I'm more than competent when it comes to Malware, I have ran MB and HJT plenty of times just to check all is ok, and it is. Not one thing over the years. That's why your computer is malware-free, many users, including me, don't know anything about malware or HijackThis logs. I need something else, that is userfriendly without all that technical malware-stuff. I don't even see the difference between a malware-object and a normal object, they all look the same to me. ErikAlbert - "Simplicity is always brilliant" - "Every software sucks, some softwares suck more than others."Security : FirstDefense-ISR + Anti-Executable + Sandboxie + ShadowProtect - no scanners, no cleaners.My security doesn't recognize malware like scanners, malware is removed because it changed something. :cool:
ScottyCFC Posted September 15, 2010 Posted September 15, 2010 Applications run faster... alot faster, better support for 3rd party addons in media center, will never go back to vista, vista was like a beta for win 7. Saying that, XP SP2 was literally twice as better.... in its time than Win 7 (if "twice as better" is grammatically correct lol).
ErikAlbert Posted September 16, 2010 Posted September 16, 2010 (edited) The only improvement of Window7 seems to be speed and a few functions more. Windows 7 = streamlined winVISTA and that makes it faster in benefit of third party softwares, which also run faster. What a performance, that must have been very difficult for M$. :rolleyes: The security is still the same, an imitation of what smaller companies do : firewall and scanners to make it easy for malware. Not only applications run faster, also malware runs faster now. The malware-writers will be very happy. :rolleyes: I really wonder what M$ is doing with all that money. M$ became a bank, buying and selling softwares with a total lack of creativity. If there is any competition, M$ kills the competition by buying up the company. If M$ earns less money, they launch another Windows and advertising does the rest. :rolleyes: Edited September 16, 2010 by ErikAlbert ErikAlbert - "Simplicity is always brilliant" - "Every software sucks, some softwares suck more than others."Security : FirstDefense-ISR + Anti-Executable + Sandboxie + ShadowProtect - no scanners, no cleaners.My security doesn't recognize malware like scanners, malware is removed because it changed something. :cool:
Plastic Nev Posted September 18, 2010 Posted September 18, 2010 Hi ErikAlbert, I get the idea you are a bit of an enthusiast about security and fair enough, but you would be a lot better off perhaps if you took on board some training to get a better understanding of malware. What malware is, what it looks like, what it does, and how to be sure there are no traces left after a clean up, all these things can be learned by enrolling on any of the many free and established sites. Have a look here, read their introduction to the malware removal university and see if it is for you,- MalWare Removal • Index page That is only one site, there are many others offering a similar level of training. As for Windows 7. It would be well to understand that most folk want a computer for various purposes, from simply keeping up with E Mail from friends, A little general writing such as an author may need, the ability to use and run the multitude of music creation software, high end graphics for artistic purposes, to the more complex serious and high level games. Most folk just want to be reasonably safe while on line, some may take notice of general safety warnings such as to stay away from using peer to peer sites and softwares, to try to stay away from unsafe websites etc. Others don't seem to care and put their trust in whatever anti-virus and firewall they have. Windows 7 is aimed at the general market place and a lot of work went into first Vista, which only proved that enough work hadn't been done, so W7 became the better operating system because of that, and to supersede it. In comparison to the previous XP, there are many differences under the surface that the average user does not see, just a different interface on the desktop, which is a little more user friendly once you get used to it. However, the operating system on its own isn't that much good without the hardware architecture that became necessary to run it efficiently. That means more memory in RAM, and a bigger processor, preferably quad cored, a larger and even perhaps faster hard drive isn't all that necessary, but is a useful bonus. Add to that other improvements in general motherboard technology means that Windows 7 does appear to be a quicker system. Well in all honesty it is, but only with the right hardware to back it up. So all in all, Windows 7 is an improvement, it can and will handle a lot more in general without having to perform various tweeks to run certain software, that may have had to be done in XP. Also the odd hardware conflicts such as printers not able to run on Windows 7 that worked OK on XP have either been addressed now with driver updates, or the hardware is so old, it isn't worth the hassle. So new hardware is compatible, and with all operating systems, plus both a little cheaper and also better at whatever it does. Nev. Need help with your computer problems? Then why not join Free PC Help. Register here. If Free PC Help has helped you then please consider a donation. Click here We are all members helping other members. Please return here where you may be able to help someone else. After all, no one knows everything and you may have the answer that someone needs. -------------------------------------------------------------------- I have installed Windows, now how do I install the curtains? 😄
ErikAlbert Posted September 20, 2010 Posted September 20, 2010 (edited) Hi ErikAlbert, I get the idea you are a bit of an enthusiast about security and fair enough, but you would be a lot better off perhaps if you took on board some training to get a better understanding of malware. What malware is, what it looks like, what it does, and how to be sure there are no traces left after a clean up, all these things can be learned by enrolling on any of the many free and established sites. Have a look here, read their introduction to the malware removal university and see if it is for you,- MalWare Removal • Index page I don't have any problems with malware anymore. My computer is malware-free during 5 years already. I don't use AV/AS/AT/...-scanners anymore and that was a big improvement. All scanners are based on blacklisting and that's why scanners never remove : - discovered malware, which is not the blacklist of the scanner. - undiscovered malware, which is not on any blacklist of any scanner. Blacklisting is not a sufficient method to detect and remove malware. I use whitelisting now, which is a much better method to remove malware, because this method doesn't require recognition of malware. Malware is removed because it's not on the whitelist. It doesn't matter if the malware is discovered or not. That's why I designed a golden reboot, which removes any malware in 2 minuts. MSE-scanner needs 73 minuts to do the same job. That's the difference between ME and M$ : 71 minuts. Me poor, M$ rich and I'm doing a much better job than M$, that's because I didn't lose my creativity like M$. That's also the reason why I never use security software of M$. I will use the same method for Windows 7, which has the same poor security. Edited September 20, 2010 by ErikAlbert ErikAlbert - "Simplicity is always brilliant" - "Every software sucks, some softwares suck more than others."Security : FirstDefense-ISR + Anti-Executable + Sandboxie + ShadowProtect - no scanners, no cleaners.My security doesn't recognize malware like scanners, malware is removed because it changed something. :cool:
wellies Posted September 20, 2010 Posted September 20, 2010 I think you have a good approach ErikAlbert. Prevention and/or recovery rather than detection/cleaning. Cleaning after the event, which is not always possible, is so much more involved than having a complete fall-back position that can be quickly used to revert to a previous clean state. I've long thought scanners are not the answer to malware. If malware gets as far as being in need of cleaning it means security measures have failed ..and fail they do no matter what realtime monitoring software is used. We can read about that all over the Internet along with lengthy instructions on how to remove infections from systems. If malware were to get that far on my computer, there is no way I'd rely on (or spend time doing) any cleaning. I wouldn't trust the final result anyway. Using a disk image is the only way I'd go at present. I can't see why people still choose to clean up after a disaster. Advisers put much accent on installing various AV or other scanning programs for realtime protection, or for 'after the event' detection/cleaning. That's helpful for sure but if more accent were to be put on prevention or easy recovery, there'd be no need to ask people in trouble for HijackThis logs (or similar) and to perform lengthy recovery steps. I don't go as far as yourself ErikAlbert. I do use NIS 2011. I know many don't like it but well, I think it's good. This also uses white-listing and has a few other features I like. It doesn't impact Windows 7's performance noticeably. I also might do an occasional scan with MBAM (never finds anything) However, the real protection comes with Sandboxie and from your signature, I can see there's no need to mention the protection it provides. If Sandboxie and Norton were both to fail me, then comes the disk image. Certainly no clean-up procedures involved. I guess basically, I'd rely on Norton or MBAM to inform me that malware had got out of the sandbox and into the system but wouldn't rely on them (or any other utility/program) to clean it. Overwrite, rather than repair, is better I reckon. I'll be looking into the programs mentioned in your signature. Need help with your computer problems? Then why not join Free PC Help. Register here If Free PC Help has helped you then please consider a donation. Click here We are all members helping other members.Please return here where you may be able to help someone else. After all, no one knows everything and you may have the answer that someone needs. Computer: Intel i5 CPU|8GB RAM|Windows 8.1.1 64-bit|Sandboxie|Qihoo 360 Total Security|Firefox|Chrome|150 Mbps cable broadband.
ErikAlbert Posted September 20, 2010 Posted September 20, 2010 @Wellies, I'm glad you do understand me. Eight years ago I had a classical security-setup like everyone, but I was still in trouble regularly, so I had to do something entirely different and I had to solve 4 major problems : 1. Uninstall Programs Alot of people like to try new software, but not to keep them. Installing/Uninstalling softwares creates a big mess on parition-C after awhile, because no software is able to install itself completely, how ridiculous it may sound. This is caused by sloppy programming. So I had to find a solution that removed a tested software completely without a trace. 2. Cleaning softwares Cleaning softwares, do usual a pretty good job, but not good enough. So I had to find a solution to clean my partition-C thoroughly and for ALL softwares And no cleaning softwares anymore on my computer. 3. Registry softwares. Registry softwares remove innocent registries, too many registries, they aren't safe enough and they don't restore the original values of registries. So I had to find a solution to clean Windows Registry safer and restore its original value. And no registry softwares anymore on my computer. 4. AV/AS/AT/...-scanners Scanners don't remove every malware : malware not on the blacklist and undiscovered malware. So I had to find a solution to remove malware 100% And no scanners anymore on my computer. SOLUTION I solved all these problems by replacing my dirty partition-C with a clean partition-C during each reboot, just like people replace their dirty shirt with a clean shirt. It was that simple. I only had to find the right software to do this : FirstDefense-ISR From then on, my dirty partition-C was cleaned and repaired automatically during each reboot. My computer became a paradise during 5 years until now and all my big problems were solved in one hit and I had any change on my partition-C completely under control. End of Story :) ErikAlbert - "Simplicity is always brilliant" - "Every software sucks, some softwares suck more than others."Security : FirstDefense-ISR + Anti-Executable + Sandboxie + ShadowProtect - no scanners, no cleaners.My security doesn't recognize malware like scanners, malware is removed because it changed something. :cool:
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