Guest Dominick Posted April 25, 2008 Posted April 25, 2008 Is anyone running Java (32 bit) on IE7 under Windows Server 2008? I have done all the steps to try and trouble shoot this, but it does not support applets on my machine. I have reset IE7, uninstalled, confirmed uninstalled with Windows Install Cleanup, turned off AV and antispyware, reinstalled, and when I go to a test applet page the JRE (v 6u6) shows in the system tray, and a blank window pops up with a little Java icon in the top left corner, but nothing happens on the IE7 web page that should show a test applet running (one of the standard ones on the Internet, not anything I wrote). The kicker is, JRE runs fine with Firefox. To me this looks like some sort of security issue. IE7 is configured to run Java, I have even put the security and privacy settings at the lowest. ActiveX etc. all turned on. I am wondering if there is some issue that Java won't run on WS 2008 for security reasons.
Guest Thee Chicago Wolf Posted April 25, 2008 Posted April 25, 2008 Re: Anyone running Java on WS 2008? >Is anyone running Java (32 bit) on IE7 under Windows Server 2008? > >I have done all the steps to try and trouble shoot this, but it does not >support applets on my machine. I have reset IE7, uninstalled, confirmed >uninstalled with Windows Install Cleanup, turned off AV and antispyware, >reinstalled, and when I go to a test applet page the JRE (v 6u6) shows >in the system tray, and a blank window pops up with a little Java icon >in the top left corner, but nothing happens on the IE7 web page that >should show a test applet running (one of the standard ones on the >Internet, not anything I wrote). > >The kicker is, JRE runs fine with Firefox. > >To me this looks like some sort of security issue. IE7 is configured to >run Java, I have even put the security and privacy settings at the >lowest. ActiveX etc. all turned on. > >I am wondering if there is some issue that Java won't run on WS 2008 for >security reasons. Is it possible that DEP is somehow messing with it? - Thee Chicago Wolf
Guest complexmind Posted April 25, 2008 Posted April 25, 2008 RE: Anyone running Java on WS 2008? Did you try turning of the IE enhanced security?? -- complexmind "Dominick" wrote: > Is anyone running Java (32 bit) on IE7 under Windows Server 2008? > > I have done all the steps to try and trouble shoot this, but it does not > support applets on my machine. I have reset IE7, uninstalled, confirmed > uninstalled with Windows Install Cleanup, turned off AV and antispyware, > reinstalled, and when I go to a test applet page the JRE (v 6u6) shows > in the system tray, and a blank window pops up with a little Java icon > in the top left corner, but nothing happens on the IE7 web page that > should show a test applet running (one of the standard ones on the > Internet, not anything I wrote). > > The kicker is, JRE runs fine with Firefox. > > To me this looks like some sort of security issue. IE7 is configured to > run Java, I have even put the security and privacy settings at the > lowest. ActiveX etc. all turned on. > > I am wondering if there is some issue that Java won't run on WS 2008 for > security reasons. >
Guest Dominick Posted April 26, 2008 Posted April 26, 2008 Re: Anyone running Java on WS 2008? complexmind wrote: > Did you try turning of the IE enhanced security?? Yes, I run with IE Ehnced Security turned off. I tried turning off DEP for IE 7 32 bit, and no change from that either :-(
Guest Thee Chicago Wolf Posted April 26, 2008 Posted April 26, 2008 Re: Anyone running Java on WS 2008? >> Did you try turning of the IE enhanced security?? >Yes, I run with IE Ehnced Security turned off. I tried turning off DEP >for IE 7 32 bit, and no change from that either :-( Man, that's a tough one to figure out. Did you already try installing the May 2008 Application Compatibility update? http://support.microsoft.com/kb/947562 - Thee Chicago Wolf
Guest Dominick Posted April 27, 2008 Posted April 27, 2008 Re: Anyone running Java on WS 2008? Thee Chicago Wolf wrote: >>> Did you try turning of the IE enhanced security?? >> Yes, I run with IE Ehnced Security turned off. I tried turning off DEP >> for IE 7 32 bit, and no change from that either :-( > > Man, that's a tough one to figure out. Did you already try installing > the May 2008 Application Compatibility update? > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/947562 > > - Thee Chicago Wolf I thought you may have had it with this one, as I was not aware of this update! Alas, it did not fix it, same behavior as before :-(
Guest Thee Chicago Wolf Posted April 27, 2008 Posted April 27, 2008 Re: Anyone running Java on WS 2008? >>>> Did you try turning of the IE enhanced security?? >>> Yes, I run with IE Ehnced Security turned off. I tried turning off DEP >>> for IE 7 32 bit, and no change from that either :-( >> >> Man, that's a tough one to figure out. Did you already try installing >> the May 2008 Application Compatibility update? >> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/947562 >> >> - Thee Chicago Wolf >I thought you may have had it with this one, as I was not aware of this >update! Alas, it did not fix it, same behavior as before :-( Crap, I thought that might have done it. Although I am not surprised it didn't work. It's probably some dumb setting somewhere. In that KB article, it mentions Sun Microsystems J2SE Runtime Environment 5.0 Update 9. What about downgrading and giving that version a try? - Thee Chicago Wolf
Guest Dominick Posted April 28, 2008 Posted April 28, 2008 Re: Anyone running Java on WS 2008? Thee Chicago Wolf wrote: >>>>> Did you try turning of the IE enhanced security?? >>>> Yes, I run with IE Ehnced Security turned off. I tried turning off DEP >>>> for IE 7 32 bit, and no change from that either :-( >>> Man, that's a tough one to figure out. Did you already try installing >>> the May 2008 Application Compatibility update? >>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/947562 >>> >>> - Thee Chicago Wolf >> I thought you may have had it with this one, as I was not aware of this >> update! Alas, it did not fix it, same behavior as before :-( > > Crap, I thought that might have done it. Although I am not surprised > it didn't work. It's probably some dumb setting somewhere. > > In that KB article, it mentions Sun Microsystems J2SE Runtime > Environment 5.0 Update 9. What about downgrading and giving that > version a try? > > - Thee Chicago Wolf I'll try that and report back... thanks for your help!
Guest Thee Chicago Wolf Posted April 28, 2008 Posted April 28, 2008 Re: Anyone running Java on WS 2008? >> In that KB article, it mentions Sun Microsystems J2SE Runtime >> Environment 5.0 Update 9. What about downgrading and giving that >> version a try? >> >> - Thee Chicago Wolf >I'll try that and report back... >thanks for your help! No problem. Let the group know if it works so we can pass on the results. - Thee Chicago Wolf
Guest Dominick Posted April 28, 2008 Posted April 28, 2008 Re: Anyone running Java on WS 2008? Thee Chicago Wolf wrote: >>> In that KB article, it mentions Sun Microsystems J2SE Runtime >>> Environment 5.0 Update 9. What about downgrading and giving that >>> version a try? >>> >>> - Thee Chicago Wolf >> I'll try that and report back... >> thanks for your help! > > No problem. Let the group know if it works so we can pass on the > results. > > - Thee Chicago Wolf Just finished the test. No change, doesn't work with 5.0 update 9. What is really driving me crazy is that the JRE appears int he the tray, but instead of the applet starting to run, a SEPARATE windows appears. It's blank, nothing in the right click context menu, it has the Java "coffee cup" logo in the top left corner. The window closes when the JRE is no longer needed (ie on another non-Java page). I think this is an obvious clue, but I have disabled everything like popup blocker, firewalls, AV, etc. I have not been able to get anyone from Sun to respond. If anyone has ideas, please chip in! I have another WS2008 PC, bare-bones install, and JRE works fine! I verified the MS updates are the same on each machine, so it's not a missing update or extra update. The two biggest differences so far is the non-working machine has Office and Visual Studio 2008 installed, so I guess my next step is to install them and see if one of them is causing the problem.
Guest Thee Chicago Wolf Posted April 28, 2008 Posted April 28, 2008 Re: Anyone running Java on WS 2008? >Just finished the test. No change, doesn't work with 5.0 update 9. > >What is really driving me crazy is that the JRE appears int he the tray, >but instead of the applet starting to run, a SEPARATE windows appears. >It's blank, nothing in the right click context menu, it has the Java >"coffee cup" logo in the top left corner. The window closes when the JRE >is no longer needed (ie on another non-Java page). I think this is an >obvious clue, but I have disabled everything like popup blocker, >firewalls, AV, etc. I have not been able to get anyone from Sun to respond. > >If anyone has ideas, please chip in! I have another WS2008 PC, >bare-bones install, and JRE works fine! I verified the MS updates are >the same on each machine, so it's not a missing update or extra update. > The two biggest differences so far is the non-working machine has >Office and Visual Studio 2008 installed, so I guess my next step is to >install them and see if one of them is causing the problem. That is truly a stumper. You'd think that at least the 6.0 u6 version would *fix* whatever's broken but apparently not. The only other thing I can think of would be to remove any and all Java stuff, reboot, and then go through the registry looking for any orphaned entries or references to Sun Java and blow them out. That's the hard way but if you're desperate, maybe try that. It's possible you could also do the above but use CCleaner's registry cleaner tool. I'm not sure where the installer puts the java.exe on Server 2008 but it's probably the same as Vista. If you uninstall it, make sure there's not directories being left behind that might contain config info as well. If I hear anything I'll post it here for you. - Thee Chicago Wolf
Guest Dominick Posted April 28, 2008 Posted April 28, 2008 Re: Anyone running Java on WS 2008? So here's a funny one...I uninstalled all Java (again), and I checked the add-ons in IE7. There is a Browser Helper Object, jp2ssv.dll, Java Plug In 2 SSV Help, reported as "currently loaded". I did a file search and that file does not exist on my machine! I wonder how I can get rid of it? I know I can disable it but I am not sure that is enough? I can delete ActiveX controls but not Browser helper objects.
Guest Dominick Posted April 28, 2008 Posted April 28, 2008 Re: Anyone running Java on WS 2008? Dominick wrote: > So here's a funny one...I uninstalled all Java (again), and I checked > the add-ons in IE7. There is a Browser Helper Object, jp2ssv.dll, Java > Plug In 2 SSV Help, reported as "currently loaded". I did a file search > and that file does not exist on my machine! > > I wonder how I can get rid of it? I know I can disable it but I am not > sure that is enough? I can delete ActiveX controls but not Browser > helper objects. > > OK, killed it by searching the registry by filename (jp2ssv.dll) and deleting that entry. It does not show up now. I'll reinstall Java 6u6 and test again, I don't expect anything will change. I'll report back if it does. Man this is frustrating...
Guest Dominick Posted April 29, 2008 Posted April 29, 2008 Re: Anyone running Java on WS 2008? Dominick wrote: > Dominick wrote: >> So here's a funny one...I uninstalled all Java (again), and I checked >> the add-ons in IE7. There is a Browser Helper Object, jp2ssv.dll, Java >> Plug In 2 SSV Help, reported as "currently loaded". I did a file >> search and that file does not exist on my machine! >> >> I wonder how I can get rid of it? I know I can disable it but I am not >> sure that is enough? I can delete ActiveX controls but not Browser >> helper objects. >> >> > OK, killed it by searching the registry by filename (jp2ssv.dll) and > deleting that entry. It does not show up now. > I'll reinstall Java 6u6 and test again, I don't expect anything will > change. I'll report back if it does. > > Man this is frustrating... OK here's a new clue -- I ran the Java Console, to see if it did anything when I went to a page. When I went to an applet page, I got an error popping up on the Console! It says Error: unexpectedly couldn't get the ClassLoaderInfo for the codebase/cache key
Guest Thee Chicago Wolf Posted April 29, 2008 Posted April 29, 2008 Re: Anyone running Java on WS 2008? >I ran the Java Console, to see if it did anything when I went to a page. > >When I went to an applet page, I got an error popping up on the Console! > >It says > >Error: unexpectedly couldn't get the ClassLoaderInfo for the >codebase/cache key That is a clue. Perhaps pass it along to the folks at Sun and see what they say? Seems others are reporting this as well. How brave do you feel about maybe trying Java 7 and seeing if it will run on 2008? http://download.java.net/jdk7/binaries/ It's not final but maybe you'll have some luck with it. - Thee Chicago Wolf
Guest Dominick Posted April 29, 2008 Posted April 29, 2008 Re: Anyone running Java on WS 2008? Thee Chicago Wolf wrote: >> I ran the Java Console, to see if it did anything when I went to a page. >> >> When I went to an applet page, I got an error popping up on the Console! >> >> It says >> >> Error: unexpectedly couldn't get the ClassLoaderInfo for the >> codebase/cache key > > That is a clue. Perhaps pass it along to the folks at Sun and see what > they say? Seems others are reporting this as well. > > How brave do you feel about maybe trying Java 7 and seeing if it will > run on 2008? http://download.java.net/jdk7/binaries/ > It's not final but maybe you'll have some luck with it. > > - Thee Chicago Wolf LOL I'll try anything! I downloaded and installed the whole JDK, and I get the exact same ClassLoaderInfo error and the little window opened up. I checked today, Sun opened an error on it although they say they can't reproduce it. I pointed them to another person having the same problem. Hopefully someone can offer some advice, I offered to debug if they want to pass some info my way.
Guest Thee Chicago Wolf Posted April 30, 2008 Posted April 30, 2008 Re: Anyone running Java on WS 2008? >LOL I'll try anything! I downloaded and installed the whole JDK, and I >get the exact same ClassLoaderInfo error and the little window opened up. > >I checked today, Sun opened an error on it although they say they can't >reproduce it. I pointed them to another person having the same problem. >Hopefully someone can offer some advice, I offered to debug if they want >to pass some info my way. Wow, beyond that, I am stumped. I'll keep my eyes open though. - Thee Chicago Wolf
Guest Thee Chicago Wolf Posted April 30, 2008 Posted April 30, 2008 Re: Anyone running Java on WS 2008? >LOL I'll try anything! I downloaded and installed the whole JDK, and I >get the exact same ClassLoaderInfo error and the little window opened up. > >I checked today, Sun opened an error on it although they say they can't >reproduce it. I pointed them to another person having the same problem. >Hopefully someone can offer some advice, I offered to debug if they want >to pass some info my way. Seems Sun released a version of Java 6.0 today (Java SE 6 Update 10 Beta (Build 14)) that has better Vista support. It is a beta but maybe worth a shot: http://java.sun.com/javase/downloads/ea.jsp - Thee Chicago Wolf
Guest Dominick Posted May 1, 2008 Posted May 1, 2008 Re: Anyone running Java on WS 2008? Thee Chicago Wolf wrote: >> LOL I'll try anything! I downloaded and installed the whole JDK, and I >> get the exact same ClassLoaderInfo error and the little window opened up. >> >> I checked today, Sun opened an error on it although they say they can't >> reproduce it. I pointed them to another person having the same problem. >> Hopefully someone can offer some advice, I offered to debug if they want >> to pass some info my way. > > Seems Sun released a version of Java 6.0 today (Java SE 6 Update 10 > Beta (Build 14)) that has better Vista support. It is a beta but > maybe worth a shot: > http://java.sun.com/javase/downloads/ea.jsp > > - Thee Chicago Wolf I have been using build 22 of the 6.0 beta from their site - no change. BUT! Yesterday I installed IE 8 beta 1, and it WORKS!!! No problems at all with applets now! I can live with IE 8 beta 1 for what I am doing. Thanks for all your help!
Guest Thee Chicago Wolf Posted May 1, 2008 Posted May 1, 2008 Re: Anyone running Java on WS 2008? >I have been using build 22 of the 6.0 beta from their site - no change. > >BUT! Yesterday I installed IE 8 beta 1, and it WORKS!!! No problems at >all with applets now! I can live with IE 8 beta 1 for what I am doing. > >Thanks for all your help! Wow, build 22! In any case, glad you have something working in the interim and hopefully Sun figures out the bugs. - Thee Chicago Wolf
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