Standard User Logoff Demand Re-Boot

[Guest Tom Baxter]

Hi all,

 

I'm seeing a very strange problem that's forcing me to re-boot after a

Standard user logs off.

 

Here's the situation: I have an XP Pro, SP2 machine. This is a stand-alone

machine (no domain involved). There are two Standard Accounts (S1 and S2) and

one Administrative Account (A1).

 

After S1 or S2 logs off, the machine needs to be re-booted before *anyone*

else can log on. Every time S1 or S2 logs off, no one else can log on. This

weird behavior does not occur after A1 logs off.

 

Now, what do I mean by, "needs to be re-booted"? After XP boots up (or after

a user logs off) I see the standard screen that lists all user accounts with

separate password fields next to each user name. Well, after S1 or S2 logs

off, the cursor cannot be moved to any of these password fields. It is

impossible for the next user to enter a password! This is why I have to

re-boot.

 

Does anyone have an explanation for what might be causing this?

 

Thanks

--

Tom Baxter

[Guest Pegasus \(MVP\)]

Re: Standard User Logoff Demand Re-Boot

 

 

"Tom Baxter" <tlbaxter99@newsgroup.nospam> wrote in message

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> Hi all,

>

> I'm seeing a very strange problem that's forcing me to re-boot after a

> Standard user logs off.

>

> Here's the situation: I have an XP Pro, SP2 machine. This is a stand-alone

> machine (no domain involved). There are two Standard Accounts (S1 and S2)

> and

> one Administrative Account (A1).

>

> After S1 or S2 logs off, the machine needs to be re-booted before *anyone*

> else can log on. Every time S1 or S2 logs off, no one else can log on.

> This

> weird behavior does not occur after A1 logs off.

>

> Now, what do I mean by, "needs to be re-booted"? After XP boots up (or

> after

> a user logs off) I see the standard screen that lists all user accounts

> with

> separate password fields next to each user name. Well, after S1 or S2 logs

> off, the cursor cannot be moved to any of these password fields. It is

> impossible for the next user to enter a password! This is why I have to

> re-boot.

>

> Does anyone have an explanation for what might be causing this?

>

> Thanks

> --

> Tom Baxter

 

You write "the cursor cannot be moved to any of these password

fields." Do you mean to say that the cursor won't move at all or that

clicking in the password field has no effect?

 

Also: The standard WinXP logon screen shows pictures for the

various logon accounts. The password field appears only after

you have clicked one of the pictures. Are you saying that you

can click a picture but not the subsequent password field?

 

Do the CapsLock or NumLock indicator lights still work when

the problem occurs?

[Guest Tom Baxter]

Re: Standard User Logoff Demand Re-Boot

 

> You write "the cursor cannot be moved to any of these password

> fields." Do you mean to say that the cursor won't move at all or that

> clicking in the password field has no effect?

 

Right -- I actually meant the the caret, not the cursor but I didn't think

most people would know what the caret is. I should have said something

like, "the blinking I-bar". I cannot get the caret to move to any of the

password fields.

 

> Also: The standard WinXP logon screen shows pictures for the

> various logon accounts. The password field appears only after

> you have clicked one of the pictures. Are you saying that you

> can click a picture but not the subsequent password field?

 

Yes: After I click the picture the password field appears but I cannot get

the caret to move to the password field. It seems after I log on and log off

once or twice this problem happens. I've never seen anything like it.

> Do the CapsLock or NumLock indicator lights still work when

> the problem occurs?

 

Yes, these keys are working even thought the password fields cannot accept

the caret.

[Guest Pegasus \(MVP\)]

Re: Standard User Logoff Demand Re-Boot

 

 

"Tom Baxter" <tlbaxter99@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:OV8IvF0pIHA.3960@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>

>> You write "the cursor cannot be moved to any of these password

>> fields." Do you mean to say that the cursor won't move at all or that

>> clicking in the password field has no effect?

>

> Right -- I actually meant the the caret, not the cursor but I didn't think

> most people would know what the caret is. I should have said something

> like, "the blinking I-bar". I cannot get the caret to move to any of the

> password fields.

>

>

>> Also: The standard WinXP logon screen shows pictures for the

>> various logon accounts. The password field appears only after

>> you have clicked one of the pictures. Are you saying that you

>> can click a picture but not the subsequent password field?

>

> Yes: After I click the picture the password field appears but I cannot get

> the caret to move to the password field. It seems after I log on and log

> off once or twice this problem happens. I've never seen anything like it.

>

>> Do the CapsLock or NumLock indicator lights still work when

>> the problem occurs?

>

> Yes, these keys are working even thought the password fields cannot accept

> the caret.

>

 

To ensure that there isn't some rogue program on your machine,

I would boot the machine into Safe Mode and check if the

problem occurs there too.

 

If this is a recent problem then I would use System Restore to

return the machine to a healthy state.

 

The logon process is initially handled by userinit.exe. There is

a remote chance that it got corrupted. You could run sfc.exe

to check your various system files, or replace userinit.exe

directly from your installation CD.

[Guest Tom Baxter]

Re: Standard User Logoff Demand Re-Boot

 

 

"Pegasus (MVP)" <I.can@fly.com.oz> wrote in message

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>

> "Tom Baxter" <tlbaxter99@yahoo.com> wrote in message

> news:OV8IvF0pIHA.3960@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>

>>> You write "the cursor cannot be moved to any of these password

>>> fields." Do you mean to say that the cursor won't move at all or that

>>> clicking in the password field has no effect?

>>

>> Right -- I actually meant the the caret, not the cursor but I didn't

>> think most people would know what the caret is. I should have said

>> something like, "the blinking I-bar". I cannot get the caret to move to

>> any of the password fields.

>>

>>

>>> Also: The standard WinXP logon screen shows pictures for the

>>> various logon accounts. The password field appears only after

>>> you have clicked one of the pictures. Are you saying that you

>>> can click a picture but not the subsequent password field?

>>

>> Yes: After I click the picture the password field appears but I cannot

>> get the caret to move to the password field. It seems after I log on and

>> log off once or twice this problem happens. I've never seen anything like

>> it.

>>

>>> Do the CapsLock or NumLock indicator lights still work when

>>> the problem occurs?

>>

>> Yes, these keys are working even thought the password fields cannot

>> accept the caret.

>>

>

> To ensure that there isn't some rogue program on your machine,

> I would boot the machine into Safe Mode and check if the

> problem occurs there too.

>

> If this is a recent problem then I would use System Restore to

> return the machine to a healthy state.

>

> The logon process is initially handled by userinit.exe. There is

> a remote chance that it got corrupted. You could run sfc.exe

> to check your various system files, or replace userinit.exe

> directly from your installation CD.

 

This was a freshly installed machine. No one's touched it but me. The

userinit.exe does not seem to be the problem. I'll just live with it. Thanks

anyway.

[Guest Olórin]

Re: Standard User Logoff Demand Re-Boot

 

"Tom Baxter" <tlbaxter99@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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>

> "Pegasus (MVP)" <I.can@fly.com.oz> wrote in message

> news:eU%23atq3pIHA.2068@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>

>> "Tom Baxter" <tlbaxter99@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>> news:OV8IvF0pIHA.3960@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>>

>>>> You write "the cursor cannot be moved to any of these password

>>>> fields." Do you mean to say that the cursor won't move at all or that

>>>> clicking in the password field has no effect?

>>>

>>> Right -- I actually meant the the caret, not the cursor but I didn't

>>> think most people would know what the caret is. I should have said

>>> something like, "the blinking I-bar". I cannot get the caret to move to

>>> any of the password fields.

>>>

>>>

>>>> Also: The standard WinXP logon screen shows pictures for the

>>>> various logon accounts. The password field appears only after

>>>> you have clicked one of the pictures. Are you saying that you

>>>> can click a picture but not the subsequent password field?

>>>

>>> Yes: After I click the picture the password field appears but I cannot

>>> get the caret to move to the password field. It seems after I log on and

>>> log off once or twice this problem happens. I've never seen anything

>>> like it.

>>>

>>>> Do the CapsLock or NumLock indicator lights still work when

>>>> the problem occurs?

>>>

>>> Yes, these keys are working even thought the password fields cannot

>>> accept the caret.

>>>

>>

>> To ensure that there isn't some rogue program on your machine,

>> I would boot the machine into Safe Mode and check if the

>> problem occurs there too.

>>

>> If this is a recent problem then I would use System Restore to

>> return the machine to a healthy state.

>>

>> The logon process is initially handled by userinit.exe. There is

>> a remote chance that it got corrupted. You could run sfc.exe

>> to check your various system files, or replace userinit.exe

>> directly from your installation CD.

>

> This was a freshly installed machine. No one's touched it but me. The

> userinit.exe does not seem to be the problem. I'll just live with it.

> Thanks anyway.

>

 

Tom -

 

I have very similar, perhaps identical, symptoms to this on one of my PCs.

It only happens when trying to log in, never when unlocking; is inconsistent

(doesn't *always* happen); and only on accounts that are password-protected.

Accounts without a password can just click on their "picture" and they're

in.

 

The workaround I use that always works is to hold down Ctrl + Alt and hit

Del twice. This bring up a "standard" (old-fashioned, Win2k-type) log in box

where you'll have to enter your user name (overtyping the name of the last

account that logged in) and password.

 

I put it down to something having gone squiffy with my having done a custom

XP install using the nLite utility. I did a bit of hunting around on the Web

at the time and plenty of folk are having this problem - generally thought

to be caused by a Windows update. Many sites recommended doing an "sfc

/scannow" as Pegasus suggests. As that version of nLite was having problems

with sfc I just let it slide as it wasn't too much of a problem.

 

I found no definitive works-for-all fix, but other things that have worked

for some people are as follows:-

 

- Start > Run > regsvr32 shgina.dll

 

- Reduce size of cache for IE's temp files. (Worked for someone - maybe

same could be achieved by just clearing your IE cache).

 

- Remove KB923191 - although be aware of what security risks doing that

might expose you to. Maybe remove it when SP3 is finally out (which I think

is any day now) and then install SP3, although that might of course break it

again. I personally won't be installing SP3 until it's been around a while.

If you do remove the KB, don't forget to not let it reinstall through

Windows updates (you can tell it to not ask you about it again if you go to

the Custom option).

 

- Run the User Profile Hive Cleanup service from Microsoft

(http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=1b286e6d-8912-4e18-b570-42470e2f3582&displaylang=en).

 

 

Hopefully one of these will work for you!

[Guest Michael Alachouzos]

RE: Standard User Logoff Demand Re-Boot

 

I have exactly the same problen as Tom (except that in my case there's only

one standard account, not two) after installing Win XP Pro (32-bit) with SP3

slipstreamed via nLite.

 

I looked for any reference to this problem on nLites's forum, but found none.

 

Michael Alachouzos

 

 

"Tom Baxter" wrote:

> Hi all,

>

> I'm seeing a very strange problem that's forcing me to re-boot after a

> Standard user logs off.

>

> Here's the situation: I have an XP Pro, SP2 machine. This is a stand-alone

> machine (no domain involved). There are two Standard Accounts (S1 and S2) and

> one Administrative Account (A1).

>

> After S1 or S2 logs off, the machine needs to be re-booted before *anyone*

> else can log on. Every time S1 or S2 logs off, no one else can log on. This

> weird behavior does not occur after A1 logs off.

>

> Now, what do I mean by, "needs to be re-booted"? After XP boots up (or after

> a user logs off) I see the standard screen that lists all user accounts with

> separate password fields next to each user name. Well, after S1 or S2 logs

> off, the cursor cannot be moved to any of these password fields. It is

> impossible for the next user to enter a password! This is why I have to

> re-boot.

>

> Does anyone have an explanation for what might be causing this?

>

> Thanks

> --

> Tom Baxter

[Guest Olórin]

Re: Standard User Logoff Demand Re-Boot

 

 

"Michael Alachouzos" <Michael Alachouzos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in

message news:27191D41-4D03-464C-891A-D85F40DB336C@microsoft.com...

>I have exactly the same problen as Tom (except that in my case there's only

> one standard account, not two) after installing Win XP Pro (32-bit) with

> SP3

> slipstreamed via nLite.

>

> I looked for any reference to this problem on nLites's forum, but found

> none.

>

> Michael Alachouzos

>

>

> "Tom Baxter" wrote:

>

>> Hi all,

>>

>> I'm seeing a very strange problem that's forcing me to re-boot after a

>> Standard user logs off.

>>

>> Here's the situation: I have an XP Pro, SP2 machine. This is a

>> stand-alone

>> machine (no domain involved). There are two Standard Accounts (S1 and S2)

>> and

>> one Administrative Account (A1).

>>

>> After S1 or S2 logs off, the machine needs to be re-booted before

>> *anyone*

>> else can log on. Every time S1 or S2 logs off, no one else can log on.

>> This

>> weird behavior does not occur after A1 logs off.

>>

>> Now, what do I mean by, "needs to be re-booted"? After XP boots up (or

>> after

>> a user logs off) I see the standard screen that lists all user accounts

>> with

>> separate password fields next to each user name. Well, after S1 or S2

>> logs

>> off, the cursor cannot be moved to any of these password fields. It is

>> impossible for the next user to enter a password! This is why I have to

>> re-boot.

>>

>> Does anyone have an explanation for what might be causing this?

>>

>> Thanks

>> --

>> Tom Baxter

 

Did you try all the things I suggested earlier to Tom? Does Ctrl + Alt +

(Del x2) get you to the login screen?

[Guest Michael Alachouzos]

Re: Standard User Logoff Demand Re-Boot

 

"Olórin" wrote:

> Did you try all the things I suggested earlier to Tom? Does Ctrl + Alt +

> (Del x2) get you to the login screen?

 

Yes, the Ctrl+Alt+(Del x2) thing did work for me. Thanks.

 

Before reading your posts in this thread, by the way, I had assumed that the

problem was due to my having used nLite. But it now seems to me --- from your

suggestion of removing KB923191 and from various messages which I've now

found elsewhere on the Internet --- that the problem is in fact attributable

to KB923191 (as included, in my case, in SP3) and that my use of nLite (in

installing XP) is in fact irrelevant. Am I right, do you think, about that?

 

Michael Alachouzos

[Guest Olórin]

Re: Standard User Logoff Demand Re-Boot

 

"Michael Alachouzos" <MichaelAlachouzos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in

message news:6F6E4C17-E481-4DEF-B80C-E8BE6FC0D2B7@microsoft.com...

> "Olórin" wrote:

>

>> Did you try all the things I suggested earlier to Tom? Does Ctrl + Alt +

>> (Del x2) get you to the login screen?

>

> Yes, the Ctrl+Alt+(Del x2) thing did work for me. Thanks.

>

> Before reading your posts in this thread, by the way, I had assumed that

> the

> problem was due to my having used nLite. But it now seems to me --- from

> your

> suggestion of removing KB923191 and from various messages which I've now

> found elsewhere on the Internet --- that the problem is in fact

> attributable

> to KB923191 (as included, in my case, in SP3) and that my use of nLite (in

> installing XP) is in fact irrelevant. Am I right, do you think, about

> that?

>

> Michael Alachouzos

 

There have been a slew of suggestions which have worked for some people and

not others - but no panacea. Removing KB923191 has worked in some cases (for

a few other ideas see my earlier post). If it works in yours, then - well,

yes, the problem *was* attributable to it, and nothing to do with nLite. The

proof of the pudding is in the uninstalling. Be sure to check what removal

of the patch will/might expose you to first, though.

 

Not sure if the KB is available for individual removal if installed as part

of SP3, though - can't check right now.