Guest legg Posted April 28, 2008 Posted April 28, 2008 Over the last three days, I've tried to access two separate youtube links on two separate occasions to find the W98 system freezes as the page is initially displayed. No keybd/mouse response. Required a hardware reboot to recover. I don't normally access youtube, but had done so in the previous week without problems. First link was: The first time the problem occurred, I did a quick disk check - lost clusters found (and repaired). I retried the same link with number crunching background activity disabled - with the same result. Repeated disk check and then attempted to run defrag - incomplete after hitting a bad sector. This was repaired by running a complete disk check, including the surface test, after which the defrag would complete. Retried the link a third time with number crunching disabled - with the same result. Disk checked again without errors. The failed attempt to reach a differing Youtube link today (same system freeze), suggests that the problem wasn't going away by itself. The browser used is still the older Mozilla 1.7.11 - no changes here in over a year, and none expected in the future (without migrating to firefox or seamonkey). Trying for the same link using IE6 (rarely used but as up to date as MS permits) I got a blue screen that would not recover but that allowed a keybd ctrl/alt/del to reboot. Repeating this (if only to note down the OE exception number) produced normal performance.....? Repeating the attempt using default Mozilla then also produced normal performance. What could be responsible for this strange behavior in this W98 2ed OS (-8th year without reinstall)? Of course the youtube link was a waste of time, as usual. RL
Guest philo Posted April 28, 2008 Posted April 28, 2008 Re: system freeze as Youtube web page loads "legg" <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote in message news:osfa141356g4lid5seerjdla8h6am9u997@4ax.com... > > Over the last three days, I've tried to access two separate youtube > links on two separate occasions to find the W98 system freezes as the > page is initially displayed. No keybd/mouse response. Required a > hardware reboot to recover. I don't normally access youtube, but had > done so in the previous week without problems. > > First link was: > > > > The first time the problem occurred, I did a quick disk check - lost > clusters found (and repaired). > > I retried the same link with number crunching background activity > disabled - with the same result. Repeated disk check and then > attempted to run defrag - incomplete after hitting a bad sector. This > was repaired by running a complete disk check, including the surface > test, after which the defrag would complete. > > Retried the link a third time with number crunching disabled - with > the same result. Disk checked again without errors. > > The failed attempt to reach a differing Youtube link today (same > system freeze), suggests that the problem wasn't going away by itself. > > The browser used is still the older Mozilla 1.7.11 - no changes here > in over a year, and none expected in the future (without migrating to > firefox or seamonkey). > > Trying for the same link using IE6 (rarely used but as up to date as > MS permits) I got a blue screen that would not recover but that > allowed a keybd ctrl/alt/del to reboot. > > Repeating this (if only to note down the OE exception number) produced > normal performance.....? > > Repeating the attempt using default Mozilla then also produced normal > performance. > > What could be responsible for this strange behavior in this W98 2ed OS > (-8th year without reinstall)? > > Of course the youtube link was a waste of time, as usual. > Are you using dial-up or DSL/cable ??? First off. If your drive is loosing clusters, I suggest you replace it. Secondly, I generally suggest a RAM test to rule out the possibility of bad H/W causing the problem. Since there are a number of small, light browsers out there, you may want to try a few and see if any of them are more reliable. If not, then there are deeper issues. (Which I suspect)
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted April 28, 2008 Posted April 28, 2008 Re: system freeze as Youtube web page loads LOST CLUSTERS DO NOT MEAN A BAD HARD DRIVE!!!!! The rest of philo's post is worthless, but especially don't believe that lost clusters means a bad hard drive. PHILO IS A CLASS "A" IDIOT!!! -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message news:uw0pgOSqIHA.3680@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > > > Are you using dial-up or DSL/cable ??? > > First off. If your drive is loosing clusters, I suggest you replace it. > > Secondly, I generally suggest a RAM test to rule out the possibility of > bad > H/W causing the problem. > > Since there are a number of small, light browsers out there, you may want > to > try a few and see if any of them are more reliable. > > If not, then there are deeper issues. (Which I suspect) > >
Guest legg Posted April 28, 2008 Posted April 28, 2008 Re: system freeze as Youtube web page loads On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 06:34:30 -0500, "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote: >> What could be responsible for this strange behavior in this W98 2ed OS >> (-8th year without reinstall)? >> >> Of course the youtube link was a waste of time, as usual. >> > > >Are you using dial-up or DSL/cable ??? > >First off. If your drive is loosing clusters, I suggest you replace it. > >Secondly, I generally suggest a RAM test to rule out the possibility of bad >H/W causing the problem. > >Since there are a number of small, light browsers out there, you may want to >try a few and see if any of them are more reliable. > >If not, then there are deeper issues. (Which I suspect) It's DSL. What about the 'self-correcting' behavior exhibited by OS after running IE ? The fact that both browsers finally ran, after being dysfunctional at the specific task for a week? Is the flash utility used by both browsers being somehow straightened out by IE6, even though it also crashed first time around? This was the first time I'd ever seen a surface scan detect trouble on ANY machine's hard drive, not just this one. Previous defrag in March when it came out of back-up storage to receive and carry the current OS (cloned from previous current HDD). Only it's third 4-month tour of duty since purchase two years ago. Are there any known programs that can mimic the characteristics of a bad sector, possibly to avoid AV detection or other conventions? I recently (oct'07- Mar'08) spent a considerable amount of time and effort transfering to a new OS in a new machine using W2K on SATA HDD, only to see the new system's NTFS partition crash and burn during a 'repair' operation, in its first 3 months of actual use as primary. RL
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted April 28, 2008 Posted April 28, 2008 Re: system freeze as Youtube web page loads The "lost clusters" likely happened because a file was in the middle of being written when the crash occurred. Part of the file didn't get written, and the part that did get written became lost clusters. Lost clusters also frequently occur as a side-effect of cross-linked files (where head of file one gets attached to tail of file two, leaving behind the rest of the two files as lost clusters. They get fixed by deleting the info on the clusters and adjusting that part of the FAT involved to show that the clusters are available. There are a couple of problems with lost clusters: 1. Was the data that got lost (leaving lost clusters behind) and/or the data in the lost clusters themselves, important. When Scandisk fixes lost clusters, you have the choice of saving the data in CHK files. Unfortunately, when Scandisk runs automatically after a bad shutdown, Microsoft's stupid default setting was to delete the lost clusters without saving CHK files. This setting should be changed in SCANDISK.INI (at the very bottom of the file.) The action should be Save, not Delete. I cannot explain the behavior of YouTube except that perhaps problems with the Cache(s). Have you checked with YouTube Help to see if there isn't something known there? -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com "legg" <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote in message news:osfa141356g4lid5seerjdla8h6am9u997@4ax.com... > > Over the last three days, I've tried to access two separate youtube > links on two separate occasions to find the W98 system freezes as the > page is initially displayed. No keybd/mouse response. Required a > hardware reboot to recover. I don't normally access youtube, but had > done so in the previous week without problems. > > First link was: > > > > The first time the problem occurred, I did a quick disk check - lost > clusters found (and repaired). > > I retried the same link with number crunching background activity > disabled - with the same result. Repeated disk check and then > attempted to run defrag - incomplete after hitting a bad sector. This > was repaired by running a complete disk check, including the surface > test, after which the defrag would complete. > > Retried the link a third time with number crunching disabled - with > the same result. Disk checked again without errors. > > The failed attempt to reach a differing Youtube link today (same > system freeze), suggests that the problem wasn't going away by itself. > > The browser used is still the older Mozilla 1.7.11 - no changes here > in over a year, and none expected in the future (without migrating to > firefox or seamonkey). > > Trying for the same link using IE6 (rarely used but as up to date as > MS permits) I got a blue screen that would not recover but that > allowed a keybd ctrl/alt/del to reboot. > > Repeating this (if only to note down the OE exception number) produced > normal performance.....? > > Repeating the attempt using default Mozilla then also produced normal > performance. > > What could be responsible for this strange behavior in this W98 2ed OS > (-8th year without reinstall)? > > Of course the youtube link was a waste of time, as usual. > > RL
Guest legg Posted April 28, 2008 Posted April 28, 2008 Re: system freeze as Youtube web page loads On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:58:35 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote: >The "lost clusters" likely happened because a file was in the middle of >being written when the crash occurred. Part of the file didn't get written, >and the part that did get written became lost clusters. Lost clusters also >frequently occur as a side-effect of cross-linked files (where head of file >one gets attached to tail of file two, leaving behind the rest of the two >files as lost clusters. They get fixed by deleting the info on the clusters >and adjusting that part of the FAT involved to show that the clusters are >available. > >There are a couple of problems with lost clusters: 1. Was the data that got >lost (leaving lost clusters behind) and/or the data in the lost clusters >themselves, important. When Scandisk fixes lost clusters, you have the >choice of saving the data in CHK files. Unfortunately, when Scandisk runs >automatically after a bad shutdown, Microsoft's stupid default setting was >to delete the lost clusters without saving CHK files. This setting should be >changed in SCANDISK.INI (at the very bottom of the file.) The action should >be Save, not Delete. > >I cannot explain the behavior of YouTube except that perhaps problems with >the Cache(s). Have you checked with YouTube Help to see if there isn't >something known there? Guess what kind of advice I'll get from youtube, the minute I mention W98 or Mozilla...? Even inquiries from users with WXP tend to get idiot responses. I believe the lost clusters were from the number crunching app running during the crash. These didn't occur when the background app was suspended. I'm using the Norton disk checking tools, though I did run MS scandisk (without surface scan) prior to running the full disk checking with surface scan, overnight, as a doublecheck on why the speed-disk defrag could not handle the damaged sector. Presently, MS scandisk does not run automatically after a crash on this machine's OS, though occassionally there will be a forced start-up into safe mode. I handle scanning manually, and usually in safe mode, as well. I view this current system much like a road-weary automobile or rusty ocean-going hulk with various protrusions knocked off in practical use and some considerable barnacle growth remaining here and there. RL
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted April 28, 2008 Posted April 28, 2008 Re: system freeze as Youtube web page loads "legg" <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote in message news:hm1c14tmo2sjo1hklhf1raftsqbdq5489c@4ax.com... > On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:58:35 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote: > >>The "lost clusters" likely happened because a file was in the middle of >>being written when the crash occurred. Part of the file didn't get >>written, >>and the part that did get written became lost clusters. Lost clusters also >>frequently occur as a side-effect of cross-linked files (where head of >>file >>one gets attached to tail of file two, leaving behind the rest of the two >>files as lost clusters. They get fixed by deleting the info on the >>clusters >>and adjusting that part of the FAT involved to show that the clusters are >>available. >> >>There are a couple of problems with lost clusters: 1. Was the data that >>got >>lost (leaving lost clusters behind) and/or the data in the lost clusters >>themselves, important. When Scandisk fixes lost clusters, you have the >>choice of saving the data in CHK files. Unfortunately, when Scandisk runs >>automatically after a bad shutdown, Microsoft's stupid default setting was >>to delete the lost clusters without saving CHK files. This setting should >>be >>changed in SCANDISK.INI (at the very bottom of the file.) The action >>should >>be Save, not Delete. >> >>I cannot explain the behavior of YouTube except that perhaps problems with >>the Cache(s). Have you checked with YouTube Help to see if there isn't >>something known there? > > Guess what kind of advice I'll get from youtube, the minute I mention > W98 or Mozilla...? Even inquiries from users with WXP tend to get > idiot responses. I was just thinking of "current site issues", FAQs, etc. Yeah, I can imagine what kind of (non)assistance is available. > I believe the lost clusters were from the number crunching app running > during the crash. These didn't occur when the background app was > suspended. Could be. Could be Temporary Internet Files or other cache files in mid-download... The movie itself, even. > I'm using the Norton disk checking tools, though I did run MS scandisk > (without surface scan) prior to running the full disk checking with > surface scan, overnight, as a doublecheck on why the speed-disk defrag > could not handle the damaged sector. What damaged sector? Please do not call "lost clusters" "damaged sectors". The former is a software issue, the latter is a hardware issue. Or do you have test results that point to "damaged sectors"? > Presently, MS scandisk does not run automatically after a crash on > this machine's OS, though occassionally there will be a forced > start-up into safe mode. I handle scanning manually, and usually in > safe mode, as well. Good! > I view this current system much like a road-weary automobile or rusty > ocean-going hulk with various protrusions knocked off in practical use > and some considerable barnacle growth remaining here and there. Sounds like fun, though I admit I'm a fan of fresh systems, <s>. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com
Guest philo Posted April 28, 2008 Posted April 28, 2008 Re: system freeze as Youtube web page loads "legg" <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote in message news:b2ob14hbjljjgfg56putfcvlgmkm713rda@4ax.com... > On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 06:34:30 -0500, "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote: > > >> What could be responsible for this strange behavior in this W98 2ed OS > >> (-8th year without reinstall)? > >> > >> Of course the youtube link was a waste of time, as usual. > >> > > > > > >Are you using dial-up or DSL/cable ??? > > > >First off. If your drive is loosing clusters, I suggest you replace it. > > > >Secondly, I generally suggest a RAM test to rule out the possibility of bad > >H/W causing the problem. > > > >Since there are a number of small, light browsers out there, you may want to > >try a few and see if any of them are more reliable. > > > >If not, then there are deeper issues. (Which I suspect) > > It's DSL. That's good... I would have expected trouble with dial-up. > > What about the 'self-correcting' behavior exhibited by OS after > running IE ? The fact that both browsers finally ran, after being > dysfunctional at the specific task for a week? > > Is the flash utility used by both browsers being somehow straightened > out by IE6, even though it also crashed first time around? > Good question. The fact that it's happing with two different browsers leads me to think that perhaps flash is not loading correctly at first... but I don't know how the fix that. I'd still try some other browser. I often use K-Meleon with no problems...but your results may differ of course > This was the first time I'd ever seen a surface scan detect trouble on > ANY machine's hard drive, not just this one. Previous defrag in March > when it came out of back-up storage to receive and carry the current > OS (cloned from previous current HDD). Only it's third 4-month tour of > duty since purchase two years ago. > > Are there any known programs that can mimic the characteristics of a > bad sector, possibly to avoid AV detection or other conventions? > > I recently (oct'07- Mar'08) spent a considerable amount of time and > effort transfering to a new OS in a new machine using W2K on SATA HDD, > only to see the new system's NTFS partition crash and burn during a > 'repair' operation, in its first 3 months of actual use as primary. > Ok...I'd have expected lost clusters from a bad shut down...but not a bad cluster. If finding a bad cluster is a one time thing...I would not worry about it... but I would check the drive periodically. If you are getting bad clusters then I'd say you have a drive problem... but if you get no more bad clusters I would not worry about it.
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted April 28, 2008 Posted April 28, 2008 Re: system freeze as Youtube web page loads Lost clusters are a minor issue. On the other hand, if you find a BAD cluster, one that can't be written to and/or read from, then it's time to replace the HD... Now, not later after you lose a bunch more data. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message news:O165hDXqIHA.1872@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > > "legg" <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote in message > news:b2ob14hbjljjgfg56putfcvlgmkm713rda@4ax.com... >> On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 06:34:30 -0500, "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote: >> >> >> What could be responsible for this strange behavior in this W98 2ed OS >> >> (-8th year without reinstall)? >> >> >> >> Of course the youtube link was a waste of time, as usual. >> >> >> > >> > >> >Are you using dial-up or DSL/cable ??? >> > >> >First off. If your drive is loosing clusters, I suggest you replace it. >> > >> >Secondly, I generally suggest a RAM test to rule out the possibility of > bad >> >H/W causing the problem. >> > >> >Since there are a number of small, light browsers out there, you may >> >want > to >> >try a few and see if any of them are more reliable. >> > >> >If not, then there are deeper issues. (Which I suspect) >> >> It's DSL. > > That's good... > I would have expected trouble with dial-up. > > >> >> What about the 'self-correcting' behavior exhibited by OS after >> running IE ? The fact that both browsers finally ran, after being >> dysfunctional at the specific task for a week? >> >> Is the flash utility used by both browsers being somehow straightened >> out by IE6, even though it also crashed first time around? >> > > Good question. The fact that it's happing with two different browsers > leads > me to think > that perhaps flash is not loading correctly at first... > but I don't know how the fix that. > I'd still try some other browser. > > I often use K-Meleon with no problems...but your results may differ of > course > > >> This was the first time I'd ever seen a surface scan detect trouble on >> ANY machine's hard drive, not just this one. Previous defrag in March >> when it came out of back-up storage to receive and carry the current >> OS (cloned from previous current HDD). Only it's third 4-month tour of >> duty since purchase two years ago. >> >> Are there any known programs that can mimic the characteristics of a >> bad sector, possibly to avoid AV detection or other conventions? >> >> I recently (oct'07- Mar'08) spent a considerable amount of time and >> effort transfering to a new OS in a new machine using W2K on SATA HDD, >> only to see the new system's NTFS partition crash and burn during a >> 'repair' operation, in its first 3 months of actual use as primary. >> > > Ok...I'd have expected lost clusters from a bad shut down...but not a bad > cluster. > > If finding a bad cluster is a one time thing...I would not worry about > it... > but I would check the drive periodically. If you are getting bad clusters > then I'd say you have a drive problem... > but if you get no more bad clusters I would not worry about it. > > > >
Guest PCR Posted April 29, 2008 Posted April 29, 2008 Re: system freeze as Youtube web page loads legg wrote: | Over the last three days, I've tried to access two separate youtube | links on two separate occasions to find the W98 system freezes as the | page is initially displayed. No keybd/mouse response. Required a | hardware reboot to recover. I don't normally access youtube, but had | done so in the previous week without problems. | | First link was: | | (You made it SCARY to go, but...) that link worked for me using IE-- & the first time! The screen came up real quick too! I am on dial-up, though, & I must suffer through very choppy sound & video the first time through-- it's incomprehensible! However, a 2nd playing is fine, which I guess relies on TIFs (Temporary Internet Files). As you suspect, perhaps an update of Flash is in order. As many have posted here (MEB was the last)... http://www.adobe.com/go/getflash Adobe Flash Player version 9.0.124.0 That update goes quick & well. After it is done, at... (a) C:\WINDOWS\Downloaded Program Files (b) R-Clk "Shockwave Flash Object", Properties, Version tab, should show v.9.0.124.0. | The first time the problem occurred, I did a quick disk check - lost | clusters found (and repaired). | | I retried the same link with number crunching background activity | disabled - with the same result. Repeated disk check and then | attempted to run defrag - incomplete after hitting a bad sector. This | was repaired by running a complete disk check, including the surface | test, after which the defrag would complete. | | Retried the link a third time with number crunching disabled - with | the same result. Disk checked again without errors. | | The failed attempt to reach a differing Youtube link today (same | system freeze), suggests that the problem wasn't going away by itself. | | The browser used is still the older Mozilla 1.7.11 - no changes here | in over a year, and none expected in the future (without migrating to | firefox or seamonkey). | | Trying for the same link using IE6 (rarely used but as up to date as | MS permits) I got a blue screen that would not recover but that | allowed a keybd ctrl/alt/del to reboot. | | Repeating this (if only to note down the OE exception number) produced | normal performance.....? | | Repeating the attempt using default Mozilla then also produced normal | performance. | | What could be responsible for this strange behavior in this W98 2ed OS | (-8th year without reinstall)? | | Of course the youtube link was a waste of time, as usual. | | RL -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR pcrrcp@netzero.net
Guest porvoon raganan Posted April 29, 2008 Posted April 29, 2008 Re: system freeze as Youtube web page loads Gary S. Terhune wrote: > LOST CLUSTERS DO NOT MEAN A BAD HARD DRIVE!!!!! > > The rest of philo's post is worthless, but especially don't believe that > lost clusters means a bad hard drive. PHILO IS A CLASS "A" IDIOT!!! > Again you have misread a post. Your extreme anger is clouding your judgment! There is only one idiot I've seen on this news group... and that is Mr. Terhune. I am serious: You need help! You have a mental health issue that needs to be addressed. The anger you express is not normal. You live in isolation and that is not healthy.
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted April 29, 2008 Posted April 29, 2008 Re: system freeze as Youtube web page loads What did I misread? He said "If your drive is loosing clusters, I suggest you replace it." First, he can't spell. Second, he's totally WRONG. The drive isn't "loosing clusters", the OP's disk tools found "lost clusters", which are totally different. Should the OP take his advice, because he seems to be such an *expert*, he's in for a whole lot of hurt for no reason. He then "generally suggests a RAM test", which is totally ridiculous. You test RAM when something suggests that RAM is a problem. That is clearly not the case here. Two totally different browsers failed the same way. After working perfectly well in the immediate past. No way in hell ANOTHER browser is going to fix the problem. All in all, the only decent question Philo asked was Dial-up or DSL. The rest was a bunch of worthless questions that even if answered would have led to nowhere or, worse, to a radically wrong solution. Look, the idiot has serious reading comprehension abilities, knows next to nothing about Windows 98, and is a danger to innocents who access this group for real answers to their problems. He should either shut up, watch and learn, or he should go away forever. And you are obviously still a moron. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com "porvoon raganan" <porvoon@raganan.non> wrote in message news:O1lSfFdqIHA.4672@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > Gary S. Terhune wrote: >> LOST CLUSTERS DO NOT MEAN A BAD HARD DRIVE!!!!! >> >> The rest of philo's post is worthless, but especially don't believe that >> lost clusters means a bad hard drive. PHILO IS A CLASS "A" IDIOT!!! >> > Again you have misread a post. Your extreme anger is clouding your > judgment! > > There is only one idiot I've seen on this news group... > and that is Mr. Terhune. > > I am serious: You need help! You have a mental health issue that needs to > be addressed. The anger you express is not normal. You live in isolation > and that is not healthy.
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted April 29, 2008 Posted April 29, 2008 Re: system freeze as Youtube web page loads Oh, and GFY. I've already admitted my health problems in this group to great length, and yes there's lots of stress, but that DOESN'T mean that Philo isn't an idiot or that you aren't a moron for defending him. (Hey, how about you take off your mask. Ashamed of being such a shameless philaphilopod?) -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com "porvoon raganan" <porvoon@raganan.non> wrote in message news:O1lSfFdqIHA.4672@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > Gary S. Terhune wrote: >> LOST CLUSTERS DO NOT MEAN A BAD HARD DRIVE!!!!! >> >> The rest of philo's post is worthless, but especially don't believe that >> lost clusters means a bad hard drive. PHILO IS A CLASS "A" IDIOT!!! >> > Again you have misread a post. Your extreme anger is clouding your > judgment! > > There is only one idiot I've seen on this news group... > and that is Mr. Terhune. > > I am serious: You need help! You have a mental health issue that needs to > be addressed. The anger you express is not normal. You live in isolation > and that is not healthy.
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted April 29, 2008 Posted April 29, 2008 Re: system freeze as Youtube web page loads PS -- Philo is also, principally, a whiner. I ONCE called him an idiot in passing, and proceeded to painstakingly correct each item he'd screwed up, and not impolitely, and he comes back with a "WHINE, you called me a bad name. I'm going to go tell Microsoft on you!" As if Microsoft cares a whit. I admit it, the pissant pisses me off. But when he so regularly gives people wrong and DANGEROUS advice, I gotta call him out, and if I'm gonna do that, I may as well enjoy it. So, when you gonna take off your mask? -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com "porvoon raganan" <porvoon@raganan.non> wrote in message news:O1lSfFdqIHA.4672@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > Gary S. Terhune wrote: >> LOST CLUSTERS DO NOT MEAN A BAD HARD DRIVE!!!!! >> >> The rest of philo's post is worthless, but especially don't believe that >> lost clusters means a bad hard drive. PHILO IS A CLASS "A" IDIOT!!! >> > Again you have misread a post. Your extreme anger is clouding your > judgment! > > There is only one idiot I've seen on this news group... > and that is Mr. Terhune. > > I am serious: You need help! You have a mental health issue that needs to > be addressed. The anger you express is not normal. You live in isolation > and that is not healthy.
Guest porvoon raganan Posted April 29, 2008 Posted April 29, 2008 Re: system freeze as Youtube web page loads Gary S. Terhune wrote: > Oh, and GFY. I've already admitted my health problems in this group to > great length, and yes there's lots of stress, but that DOESN'T mean that > Philo isn't an idiot or that you aren't a moron for defending him. (Hey, > how about you take off your mask. Ashamed of being such a shameless > philaphilopod?) > Mr. Terhune: Good day to you sir. I believe the word you may have been looking for is "philosophaster". Rather than reply to each one of your excellent individual posts... I choose to reply simply to this central one. As I may have mentioned here...I am a professional group moderator... but one who has no moderation authority on this group. I have been asked to read over the messages here by a third party (which will go unnamed). It was suggested that I review the posts and comment as necessary in an attempt to smooth over the "bad vibes" which only would tend to embarrass the host organization. I have read the majority of the posts from the last month or so and can now see why I was called upon to step in and have a look. As you know...this is a discussion group for Windows98. With a quick "Google search" a great majority of the questions asked here could be answered with no need for this group at all. However...most of the folks who post...come here in-fact for a discussion. (I would think that should not surprise you.) Unless some person who answers a question specifically passes themselves off as an expert...all advice here is to be taken simply as that...Viz: Advice. You have mentioned this "Philo" person a number of times...and I have read over his replies...and certainly must agree with you...he does often reply without great insight...but I have found no intentional deception nor advice that would do much more than perhaps waste a little time. Some of the advice (possibly just by random chance) is correct... but as far as I can see...the vast majority of it is simply humor. (Or should I have said: quite *simple* humor ?) What you seem to have not noticed ...is that by discussion... a problem is eventually solved. Even wrong answers are generally part of a learning process and will eventually be sorted out. The only thing I can find this "Philo" character guilty of is "talking" just a bit too much. On the other hand, Mr. Terhune...you do pass yourself off as someone with knowledge...A Microsoft Valuable Professional. You of all people should conduct yourself in a professional manner. A true professional should of course comment when he sees incorrect information being posted...but you alone among all MVP's have stooped to name calling, foul language and argumentative behavior. None of that is suitable for a professional! Also...You have asked me to take off my mask. I am not wearing one... but if you expect me to post my actual email address here...then you have a more serious problem than I thought! In conclusion, I suspect that you are both a sensitive person and a deep thinker...and I respect those qualities in you. My suggestion is that both you and "Philo" pretend that neither one of you have ever posted here before...and to start over with a clean slate. As a totally isolated third party who can look at the situation with perhaps only minimal bias...The funny thing about both you , Mr. Terhune and "Philo" is how very similar to each other are. If I didn't know better, I'd almost think you two were brothers who got into a fight over something quite inconsequential. I mean this: Best wishes to the both of you... why not shake hands and move on? If you two fellows can resolve your differences...then I see that there is still hope left in this world. If you two cannot resolve your differences...then I see the entire world following this terrible path. I remain your obedient servant, P. R.
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted April 29, 2008 Posted April 29, 2008 Re: system freeze as Youtube web page loads Oh, so what you are is a totally pompous, self-important ass. Thank you for explaining who you are. No, you hadn't done so previously. Honestly, I started to answer your post inline and in a serious manner, but you are really just too precious. You lack knowledge, you lack history. Go away. (One month... ROTFLMAO!!!) -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com "porvoon raganan" <porvoon@raganan.non> wrote in message news:exDKm0jqIHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > Gary S. Terhune wrote: >> Oh, and GFY. I've already admitted my health problems in this group to >> great length, and yes there's lots of stress, but that DOESN'T mean that >> Philo isn't an idiot or that you aren't a moron for defending him. (Hey, >> how about you take off your mask. Ashamed of being such a shameless >> philaphilopod?) >> > > Mr. Terhune: > > Good day to you sir. I believe the word you may have been looking for is > "philosophaster". > > Rather than reply to each one of your excellent individual posts... > I choose to reply simply to this central one. > > As I may have mentioned here...I am a professional group moderator... but > one who has no moderation authority on this group. I have been asked to > read over the messages here by a third party (which will go unnamed). > It was suggested that I review the posts and comment as necessary in an > attempt to smooth over the "bad vibes" which only would tend to embarrass > the host organization. > > I have read the majority of the posts from the last month or so > and can now see why I was called upon to step in and have a look. > > As you know...this is a discussion group for Windows98. With a quick > "Google search" a great majority of the questions asked here could be > answered with no need for this group at all. However...most of the folks > who post...come here in-fact for a discussion. (I would think that should > not surprise you.) > > Unless some person who answers a question specifically passes themselves > off as an expert...all advice here is to be taken simply > as that...Viz: Advice. > > You have mentioned this "Philo" person a number of times...and I have read > over his replies...and certainly must agree with you...he does often reply > without great insight...but I have found no intentional > deception nor advice that would do much more than perhaps waste a little > time. Some of the advice (possibly just by random chance) is correct... > but as far as I can see...the vast majority of it is simply humor. > (Or should I have said: quite *simple* humor ?) > > What you seem to have not noticed ...is that by discussion... > a problem is eventually solved. Even wrong answers are generally part of a > learning process and will eventually be sorted out. The only thing I can > find this "Philo" character > guilty of is "talking" just a bit too much. > > On the other hand, Mr. Terhune...you do pass yourself off as someone > with knowledge...A Microsoft Valuable Professional. You of all people > should conduct yourself in a professional manner. A true professional > should of course comment when he sees incorrect information being > posted...but you alone among all MVP's have stooped to name calling, foul > language and argumentative behavior. > None of that is suitable for a professional! > > Also...You have asked me to take off my mask. I am not wearing one... > but if you expect me to post my actual email address here...then you have > a more serious problem than I thought! > > In conclusion, I suspect that you are both a sensitive person > and a deep thinker...and I respect those qualities in you. > My suggestion is that both you and "Philo" pretend that neither one of you > have ever posted here before...and to start over with a clean slate. > As a totally isolated third party who can look at the situation with > perhaps only minimal bias...The funny thing about both you , Mr. Terhune > and "Philo" is how very similar to each other are. If I didn't know > better, I'd almost think you two were brothers who got into a fight > over something quite inconsequential. > > I mean this: Best wishes to the both of you... > why not shake hands and move on? If you two fellows can resolve your > differences...then I see that there is still hope left in this world. > > If you two cannot resolve your differences...then I see the entire world > following this terrible path. > > I remain your obedient servant, > > P. R. >
Guest philo Posted April 30, 2008 Posted April 30, 2008 Re: system freeze as Youtube web page loads "porvoon raganan" <porvoon@raganan.non> wrote in message news:exDKm0jqIHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... : > > Good day to you sir. I believe the word you may have been looking for is > "philosophaster". > > Rather than reply to each one of your excellent individual posts... > I choose to reply simply to this central one. > > <snip> Thanks for your interest...but that Gary T. is staying on my blacklist. Though I can certainly sympathize with his "stress" issues. There is no excuse for bad behavior. I think that by your trying to mediate here will leave you with nothing but a black eye. Until he deals with his own issues...there would be no sense in rationalizing with him. I have gotten several emails from MVP's who suggested I just ignore him... they are aware of his problems and have advised me not to get involved. So you'd be wise to not attempt to deal with him...he will not listen, I assure you. Anyway, If Gary is still out there somewhere... It's quite obvious I have gotten you upset, I hereby apologize. Though I tend to jest a bit too much...I had not done so purposely to set you off. You really need to let this go and you need to deal with your own anger. **It is destroying you** I once had quite a few issues of my own...but I was able to work through them. From time to time I clear my blacklist... so who knows, maybe someday we will meet again on better terms. (I'm not holding my breath.) ....Who giveth the rooster knowledge to tell dawn from night.
Guest PA Bear [MS MVP] Posted April 30, 2008 Posted April 30, 2008 Re: system freeze as Youtube web page loads As TomK always used to say, "Distress don't fit no mo'!" <eg> Gary S. Terhune wrote: >>> ....yes there's lots of stress <snip>
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted April 30, 2008 Posted April 30, 2008 Re: system freeze as Youtube web page loads I don't care about your "jesting". Fact is, I didn't notice any. All I care about is you spouting off things about which you know nothing and potentially screwing an innocent who happens to need real help. Pisses me off. In a healthy way. You KNOW you know nothing, really, about Windows 98 and yet you insist... As for the whole "idiot" thing, you really need to grow a thicker skin. Hadn't been for your incredible whining, I wouldn't have deliberately inserted it into every reply I made to and about you. Hey, it's getting old, anyway. Maybe I'll stop it. It's a lot more likely than you stopping your offensive behavior. If any MVPs think I need a talking to, they have my address. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message news:udg6b3lqIHA.4928@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > > "porvoon raganan" <porvoon@raganan.non> wrote in message > news:exDKm0jqIHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > : >> >> Good day to you sir. I believe the word you may have been looking for is >> "philosophaster". >> >> Rather than reply to each one of your excellent individual posts... >> I choose to reply simply to this central one. >> >> > > > <snip> > > > Thanks for your interest...but that Gary T. is staying on my blacklist. > Though I can certainly sympathize with his "stress" issues. > There is no excuse for bad behavior. > > I think that by your trying to mediate here will leave you with nothing > but > a black eye. > Until he deals with his own issues...there would be no sense in > rationalizing with him. > I have gotten several emails from MVP's who suggested I just ignore him... > they are aware of his problems and have advised me not to get involved. > So you'd be wise to not attempt to deal with him...he will not listen, > I assure you. > > > Anyway, If Gary is still out there somewhere... > It's quite obvious I have gotten you upset, I hereby apologize. > Though I tend to jest a bit too much...I had not done so purposely to set > you off. > You really need to let this go and you need to deal with your own anger. > **It is destroying you** > I once had quite a few issues of my own...but I was able to work through > them. > > From time to time I clear my blacklist... > so who knows, maybe someday we will meet again on better terms. > (I'm not holding my breath.) > > ...Who giveth the rooster knowledge to tell dawn from night. > >
Guest PCR Posted April 30, 2008 Posted April 30, 2008 Re: system freeze as Youtube web page loads porvoon raganan wrote: | Gary S. Terhune wrote: |> Oh, and GFY. I've already admitted my health problems in this group |> to great length, and yes there's lots of stress, but that DOESN'T |> mean that Philo isn't an idiot or that you aren't a moron for |> defending him. (Hey, how about you take off your mask. Ashamed of |> being such a shameless philaphilopod?) |> | | Mr. Terhune: | | Good day to you sir. I believe the word you may have been looking for | is "philosophaster". I can't find his word OR yours in my dictionary! But Terhune likely is intentionally making his up & possibly referencing... http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0049366/ Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1956) ...., thinking you are thanatoid, maybe! | Rather than reply to each one of your excellent individual posts... | I choose to reply simply to this central one. | | As I may have mentioned here...I am a professional group moderator... | but one who has no moderation authority on this group. I have been | asked to read over the messages here by a third party (which will go | unnamed). It was suggested that I review the posts and comment as | necessary in an attempt to smooth over the "bad vibes" which only | would tend to embarrass the host organization. You think we might believe you are...?... http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0041509/ The Inspector General (1949) | I have read the majority of the posts from the last month or so | and can now see why I was called upon to step in and have a look. As Terhune said, that may not be enough. We have been floating here for years! | As you know...this is a discussion group for Windows98. With a quick | "Google search" a great majority of the questions asked here could be | answered with no need for this group at all. Maybe. Well, yea, but lots of the stuff at Google pertaining to Win98 started here, I'm sure! Also, there are living people here who will discuss it & talk it through! | However...most of the | folks who post...come here in-fact for a discussion. (I would think | that should not surprise you.) Most come here to help in a technical problem or to be helped. Arguments & discussions can sometimes ensue, yea. | Unless some person who answers a question specifically passes | themselves off as an expert...all advice here is to be taken simply | as that...Viz: Advice. It is helpful to have the MVPs & rare MS personnel around to straighten things out! Novices may not know the difference between good & bad advice! (But I haven't seen MEB since that Scott Hammer MS personage got hold of him!) | You have mentioned this "Philo" person a number of times...and I have | read over his replies...and certainly must agree with you...he does | often reply without great insight...but I have found no intentional | deception nor advice that would do much more than perhaps waste a | little time. Some of the advice (possibly just by random chance) is | correct... but as far as I can see...the vast majority of it is | simply humor. (Or should I have said: quite *simple* humor ?) Philo comes up with his share of good advice. It is good to have Terhune around to keep him & others on their toes, though! | What you seem to have not noticed ...is that by discussion... | a problem is eventually solved. Even wrong answers are generally part | of a learning process and will eventually be sorted out. The only | thing I can find this "Philo" character | guilty of is "talking" just a bit too much. I must agree (not having credentials of my own & occasionally making a rare mistake), although I wouldn't say philo is the worst of talkers. And I'm not, either! | On the other hand, Mr. Terhune...you do pass yourself off as someone | with knowledge...A Microsoft Valuable Professional. You of all people | should conduct yourself in a professional manner. A true professional | should of course comment when he sees incorrect information being | posted...but you alone among all MVP's have stooped to name calling, | foul language and argumentative behavior. | None of that is suitable for a professional! It's a rite of passage to suffer through Terhune's orneriness! I had to do it myself! But we all love him here! Don't chase off one of few MVP's we've got left! He's always been full of valuable information! | Also...You have asked me to take off my mask. I am not wearing one... | but if you expect me to post my actual email address here...then you | have a more serious problem than I thought! He may think you are that rouge thanatiod. You do have an equivalent command of the American language-- & a bit of the sting as well! | In conclusion, I suspect that you are both a sensitive person | and a deep thinker...and I respect those qualities in you. I agree, but more thinker than sensitive. | My suggestion is that both you and "Philo" pretend that neither one of | you have ever posted here before...and to start over with a clean | slate. As a totally isolated third party who can look at the | situation with perhaps only minimal bias...The funny thing about both | you , Mr. Terhune and "Philo" is how very similar to each other are. | If I didn't know better, I'd almost think you two were brothers who | got into a fight over something quite inconsequential. Terhune has more technical knowledge than philo (or me). | I mean this: Best wishes to the both of you... | why not shake hands and move on? If you two fellows can resolve your | differences...then I see that there is still hope left in this world. I don't see that you are any more authorized to mediate this thing than Jimmy Carter was in Palestine. Terhune starts off rough. It's up to philo to mellow him by sticking only to tried/true advice/suggestions. | If you two cannot resolve your differences...then I see the entire | world following this terrible path. | | I remain your obedient servant, | | P. R. -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR pcrrcp@netzero.net
Guest letterman@invalid.com Posted April 30, 2008 Posted April 30, 2008 Re: system freeze as Youtube web page loads On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 23:21:21 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote: > >Over the last three days, I've tried to access two separate youtube >links on two separate occasions to find the W98 system freezes as the >page is initially displayed. No keybd/mouse response. Required a >hardware reboot to recover. I don't normally access youtube, but had >done so in the previous week without problems. > >First link was: > > > >The first time the problem occurred, I did a quick disk check - lost >clusters found (and repaired). > >I retried the same link with number crunching background activity >disabled - with the same result. Repeated disk check and then >attempted to run defrag - incomplete after hitting a bad sector. This >was repaired by running a complete disk check, including the surface >test, after which the defrag would complete. > >Retried the link a third time with number crunching disabled - with >the same result. Disk checked again without errors. > >The failed attempt to reach a differing Youtube link today (same >system freeze), suggests that the problem wasn't going away by itself. > >The browser used is still the older Mozilla 1.7.11 - no changes here >in over a year, and none expected in the future (without migrating to >firefox or seamonkey). > >Trying for the same link using IE6 (rarely used but as up to date as >MS permits) I got a blue screen that would not recover but that >allowed a keybd ctrl/alt/del to reboot. > >Repeating this (if only to note down the OE exception number) produced >normal performance.....? > >Repeating the attempt using default Mozilla then also produced normal >performance. > >What could be responsible for this strange behavior in this W98 2ed OS >(-8th year without reinstall)? > >Of course the youtube link was a waste of time, as usual. > >RL You got a lot of replies but I did not see anyone recommend removing flash player, using the remover on the adobe site. Completely remove it, then reboot and go back to their site and reinstall. Flash once caused me all sorts of weird problems, I manually deleted it, but that still did not fix it. Using their remover did the trick, and a fresh install fixed everything. Of course I know nothing about your browser. I go to youtube regularly with firefox and it works fine. Since I am on dialup, I got the firefox extension called "download helper". I just download the videos while I am away or sleeping and watch them later. Works great. As far as the harddrive errors, run scandisk and defrag on all partitions. Then run a drive diagnostic software. It could be a dying drive, or bad memory, or just the crash occurs in the middle of files being downloaded. If you have several memory sticks, pull out all but one and see if the computer works better (even with less memory). If it still screws up, try another stick. Also check your video settings. I do suspect it's flash player though....
Guest thanatoid Posted April 30, 2008 Posted April 30, 2008 Re: system freeze as Youtube web page loads - CORRECTION Re: system freeze as Youtube web page loads - CORRECTION WAS: That is nuts. And just goes to show how limited Usenet is, as it is based on words ONLY. You know the VERY old thing about 70-95% (depending on what "specialist" you talk to) communication being verbal. SHOULD BE: That is nuts. And just goes to show how limited Usenet is, as it is based on words ONLY. You know the VERY old thing about 70-95% (depending on what "specialist" you talk to) communication being VISUAL. -- Of course, it is no easy matter to be polite; in so far, I mean, as it requires us to show great respect for everybody, whereas most people deserve none at all; and again in so far as it demands that we should feign the most lively interest in people, when we must be very glad that we have nothing to do with them. - Arthur Schopenhauer
Guest porvoon raganan Posted April 30, 2008 Posted April 30, 2008 Re: system freeze as Youtube web page loads Gary S. Terhune wrote: > Oh, so what you are is a totally pompous, self-important ass. Thank you > for explaining who you are. No, you hadn't done so previously. > > Honestly, I started to answer your post inline and in a serious manner, > but you are really just too precious. You lack knowledge, you lack > history. Go away. > > (One month... ROTFLMAO!!!) > Yes. Although my employment is that of a moderator (elsewhere) I have not actually posted to Usenet groups until I was recently requested to. Although I may "lack history"...I at least have a future. You are just the opposite in that though you do have a history,but you have no future. It is good I suppose that you can vent here. It is healthier to vent your anger than to keep it inside. You are considerably more transparent that you would wish to believe. When you say "ROTFLMAO" you are crying inside. When you say "Go away." You are crying for help.
Guest porvoon raganan Posted April 30, 2008 Posted April 30, 2008 Re: system freeze as Youtube web page loads PCR wrote: > porvoon raganan wrote: > | Gary S. Terhune wrote: > |> Oh, and GFY. I've already admitted my health problems in this group > |> to great length, and yes there's lots of stress, but that DOESN'T > |> mean that Philo isn't an idiot or that you aren't a moron for > |> defending him. (Hey, how about you take off your mask. Ashamed of > |> being such a shameless philaphilopod?) > |> > | > | Mr. Terhune: > | > | Good day to you sir. I believe the word you may have been looking for > | is "philosophaster". > Phi`los´o`phas`ter n. 1. A pretender to philosophy. > I can't find his word OR yours in my dictionary! But Terhune likely is > intentionally making his up & possibly referencing... > > http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0049366/ > Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1956) > > ..., thinking you are thanatoid, maybe! > I have not made up the word philosophaster...but Mr. Terhune has made up his word. Creating new words is a sign of an excellent and clever mind. > | Rather than reply to each one of your excellent individual posts... > | I choose to reply simply to this central one. > | > | As I may have mentioned here...I am a professional group moderator... > | but one who has no moderation authority on this group. I have been > | asked to read over the messages here by a third party (which will go > | unnamed). It was suggested that I review the posts and comment as > | necessary in an attempt to smooth over the "bad vibes" which only > | would tend to embarrass the host organization. > > You think we might believe you are...?... > http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0041509/ > The Inspector General (1949) > > | I have read the majority of the posts from the last month or so > | and can now see why I was called upon to step in and have a look. > > As Terhune said, that may not be enough. We have been floating here for > years! True. I have not posted on any Usenet group until recently... As I have mentioned somewhere...I am employed as a moderator elsewhere and I assure you...I am quite familiar with how Usenet is structured. > | As you know...this is a discussion group for Windows98. With a quick > | "Google search" a great majority of the questions asked here could be > | answered with no need for this group at all. > > Maybe. Well, yea, but lots of the stuff at Google pertaining to Win98 > started here, I'm sure! Also, there are living people here who will > discuss it & talk it through! You are very astute and have picked up on my point exactly! Though people are often chided for asking "such and such" a question on a Usenet group...and are rightly told that they could have just found the answer on Google. Were it not for the open discussions in the first place...there would be no such information on Google! > | However...most of the > | folks who post...come here in-fact for a discussion. (I would think > | that should not surprise you.) > > Most come here to help in a technical problem or to be helped. Arguments > & discussions can sometimes ensue, yea. > > | Unless some person who answers a question specifically passes > | themselves off as an expert...all advice here is to be taken simply > | as that...Viz: Advice. > > It is helpful to have the MVPs & rare MS personnel around to straighten > things out! Novices may not know the difference between good & bad > advice! (But I haven't seen MEB since that Scott Hammer MS personage got > hold of him!) > > | You have mentioned this "Philo" person a number of times...and I have > | read over his replies...and certainly must agree with you...he does > | often reply without great insight...but I have found no intentional > | deception nor advice that would do much more than perhaps waste a > | little time. Some of the advice (possibly just by random chance) is > | correct... but as far as I can see...the vast majority of it is > | simply humor. (Or should I have said: quite *simple* humor ?) > > Philo comes up with his share of good advice. It is good to have Terhune > around to keep him & others on their toes, though! I have searched a bit further at replies elsewhere and see you are correct there. That Philo character actually has given a bit of decent enough advice and in a number of very non-related topics. Mr. Terhune, though his scope is considerably more narrow, is indeed an expert when it comes to Win98. I may go so far as to say, in fact...that he is *the* expert. Of course that clarifies his anger...as Win98 is now essentially an all but dead operating system. With the advent of the "new and improved" operating system, Vista...it appears that all previous versions are being killed off as rapidly as possible. I certainly can understand Mr. Terhune having quite a degree of frustration over that. > | What you seem to have not noticed ...is that by discussion... > | a problem is eventually solved. Even wrong answers are generally part > | of a learning process and will eventually be sorted out. The only > | thing I can find this "Philo" character > | guilty of is "talking" just a bit too much. > > I must agree (not having credentials of my own & occasionally making a > rare mistake), although I wouldn't say philo is the worst of talkers. > And I'm not, either! > > | On the other hand, Mr. Terhune...you do pass yourself off as someone > | with knowledge...A Microsoft Valuable Professional. You of all people > | should conduct yourself in a professional manner. A true professional > | should of course comment when he sees incorrect information being > | posted...but you alone among all MVP's have stooped to name calling, > | foul language and argumentative behavior. > | None of that is suitable for a professional! > > It's a rite of passage to suffer through Terhune's orneriness! I had to > do it myself! But we all love him here! Don't chase off one of few MVP's > we've got left! He's always been full of valuable information! > > | Also...You have asked me to take off my mask. I am not wearing one... > | but if you expect me to post my actual email address here...then you > | have a more serious problem than I thought! > > He may think you are that rouge thanatiod. You do have an equivalent > command of the American language-- & a bit of the sting as well! > > | In conclusion, I suspect that you are both a sensitive person > | and a deep thinker...and I respect those qualities in you. > > I agree, but more thinker than sensitive. > > | My suggestion is that both you and "Philo" pretend that neither one of > | you have ever posted here before...and to start over with a clean > | slate. As a totally isolated third party who can look at the > | situation with perhaps only minimal bias...The funny thing about both > | you , Mr. Terhune and "Philo" is how very similar to each other are. > | If I didn't know better, I'd almost think you two were brothers who > | got into a fight over something quite inconsequential. > > Terhune has more technical knowledge than philo (or me). > > | I mean this: Best wishes to the both of you... > | why not shake hands and move on? If you two fellows can resolve your > | differences...then I see that there is still hope left in this world. > > I don't see that you are any more authorized to mediate this thing than > Jimmy Carter was in Palestine. Terhune starts off rough. It's up to > philo to mellow him by sticking only to tried/true advice/suggestions. > You are correct again. I have no more authority here than Jimmy Carter does in Palestine. Though I respect Carter for bring at least some type of peace to Israel and Egypt...Carter has no business going to Palestine. Now...as to that Philo character...as far as I can see...he only sometimes sticks to "tried/true" advice.(He has thousands of postings on dozens of groups...so I only read a small portion of them. Many of his replies are considerably "off the wall" and often wrong. The odd thing is... that once in a while he has picked up something all the other experts have missed. It may simply be due to his ignorance. There are many fools out there who do something impossible simply because they didn't know better. > | If you two cannot resolve your differences...then I see the entire > | world following this terrible path. > | > | I remain your obedient servant, > | > | P. R. >
Guest porvoon raganan Posted April 30, 2008 Posted April 30, 2008 Re: system freeze as Youtube web page loads - CORRECTION Re: system freeze as Youtube web page loads - CORRECTION thanatoid wrote: > WAS: > That is nuts. And just goes to show how limited Usenet is, as it > is based on words ONLY. You know the VERY old thing about 70-95% > (depending on what "specialist" you talk to) communication being > verbal. > > SHOULD BE: > That is nuts. And just goes to show how limited Usenet is, as it > is based on words ONLY. You know the VERY old thing about 70-95% > (depending on what "specialist" you talk to) communication being > VISUAL. > Hello: I just wanted to thank you for posting and to state that I am not you. Of course that does not do much good...because if Thanatoid were posting as Porvoon Raganan he would probably dis-avow it. P.R.
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