Guest porvoon raganan Posted April 30, 2008 Posted April 30, 2008 Re: system freeze as Youtube web page loads Gary S. Terhune wrote: > I don't care about your "jesting". Fact is, I didn't notice any. All I > care about is you spouting off things about which you know nothing and > potentially screwing an innocent who happens to need real help. Pisses > me off. In a healthy way. You KNOW you know nothing, really, about > Windows 98 and yet you insist... > > As for the whole "idiot" thing, you really need to grow a thicker skin. > Hadn't been for your incredible whining, I wouldn't have deliberately > inserted it into every reply I made to and about you. Hey, it's getting > old, anyway. Maybe I'll stop it. It's a lot more likely than you > stopping your offensive behavior. > > If any MVPs think I need a talking to, they have my address. > I am reposting this message simply so that Philo who has put Mr. Terhune into his kill file can read the unedited reply. I suggest to Philo to read and head. My work here has been commissioned until the end of the month...and according to the calender, that day has now arrived... so I am now officially gone...and hope I have the good sense not to look back and turn into a pillar of salt!
Guest philo Posted April 30, 2008 Posted April 30, 2008 Re: system freeze as Youtube web page loads Gary S. Terhune wrote: > I don't care about your "jesting". Fact is, I didn't notice any. All I > care about is you spouting off things about which you know nothing and > potentially screwing an innocent who happens to need real help. Pisses > me off. In a healthy way. You KNOW you know nothing, really, about > Windows 98 and yet you insist... > > As for the whole "idiot" thing, you really need to grow a thicker skin. > Hadn't been for your incredible whining, I wouldn't have deliberately > inserted it into every reply I made to and about you. Hey, it's getting > old, anyway. Maybe I'll stop it. It's a lot more likely than you > stopping your offensive behavior. > > If any MVPs think I need a talking to, they have my address. > OK...on one of my newsreaders I have decided to not kill file Mr. Terhune...as I may have judged him wrong. First off. Gary, you called me an idiot. Now that I have decided to unblock your posts and respond to you...I am afraid that I have proven for sure that I am one. As far as you not noticing any of my jests...then you have missed a lot. I don't think I have a serious bone in my body and virtually everything I say is in jest. Backing up to the day that this whole thing started: Some woman had posted that her machine had "crashed" and that she could not send data to her cd. (Yes I did realize that she was trying to use packet burning.) I told her that she could not send data to her cd...and that she would have to use her cd burning software. The reply I was anticipating was simply, " But I have cd burning software installed." My answer would simply have been, "You *had* cd burning software...but the "crash" took it out." The end result would have been the same. Perhaps that was an idiot's way of solving problems but that's the way I saw it at the time. Now, moving forward to the guy with the bad cluster on his HD. I stated rather clearly that if the drive is loosing clusters on a regular basis.. it needs to be replaced. If it was simply one bad cluster with no more development of bad clusters...it could be ignored. (Though it should be watched.) I did not mean to imply that logical errors on a file system due to a bad shut down constituted a drive problem. I don't have time right now to search through my past posts to look at my exact wording...so right now suffice it to say...it might not have been clear...but from the OP's response...he did not seem to be confused with the reply I had given. Mr. Terhune, when it comes to Windows 98 you are certainly "king of the hill" and I lay no claim to royalty for any hills, valleys or mountains. However the "hill" of Windows 98 is a small one. The benefits of running an operating system with no hardware extraction layer in the 21st century are very few. Since you do not know my background I shall state it here briefly. I have several jobs and come from a very strong hardware background. Your strength appears to be software. What I have seen all too often is someone attempting to fix an operating system problem by software trouble-shooting techniques alone... when the underlying problem was *hardware*. The reason why I often suggest a RAM test and to run the mfg's hard drive diagnostic is to at least determine whether or not the problem is hardware related. Running a hardware diagnostic is a safe enough operation and not terribly likely to to any harm other than taking a little bit of time. Attempting software solutions prior to checking the hardware *can* cause damage. All too often I've seen a win98 user restore the registry and end up with even bigger problems than the user had started with. In many instances the problem was due to bad RAM...and had the RAM been replaced prior to the registry restoration..the problem would have been solved. In some instances where the registry was restored and only later it was found the RAM was at fault..the entire system was rendered non-functional. I always prefer to err on the side of caution! In addition to my regular job as a Senior Service Engineer for a world-wide manufacturer of industrial equipment. (33 years) I also do volunteer work for a world-wide non-profit organization. Among other things... please sit down Mr. Terhune, I am a Microsoft certified refurbisher who works primarily with Windows 2000. That is why I took issue with your original rude comments. Not that I personally care one way or the other for Microsoft as an organization. I have no preferences for one operating system vs another. I took issue with your lack of professional behavior. I am really sorry that I did not handle my comments to you very well. As I look back I see that... yep, I whined, shame on me. But now you are just whining and I guess that was what set me off a bit. So...as I said, I do not say too many things seriously...so nothing here was meant to offend you. I am really sorry that I set you off in the way I did. I've got my hand out now and am offering you my "on-line" hand shake. If you insult me again I'll have to sic that Porvoon imposter upon you . (Hey...it's a joke!) BTW: Now that I have seen your side of the story, if I continue to post here and say something that's really stupid...you can now feel free to point out my idiocy and I will no longer be upset. Shalom!
Guest legg Posted April 30, 2008 Posted April 30, 2008 Re: system freeze as Youtube web page loads On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 01:34:54 -0500, letterman@invalid.com wrote: > >You got a lot of replies but I did not see anyone recommend removing >flash player, using the remover on the adobe site. Completely remove >it, then reboot and go back to their site and reinstall. Flash once >caused me all sorts of weird problems, I manually deleted it, but that >still did not fix it. Using their remover did the trick, and a fresh >install fixed everything. Of course I know nothing about your >browser. I go to youtube regularly with firefox and it works fine. >Since I am on dialup, I got the firefox extension called "download >helper". I just download the videos while I am away or sleeping and >watch them later. Works great. >As far as the harddrive errors, run scandisk and defrag on all >partitions. Then run a drive diagnostic software. It could be a >dying drive, or bad memory, or just the crash occurs in the middle of >files being downloaded. If you have several memory sticks, pull out >all but one and see if the computer works better (even with less >memory). If it still screws up, try another stick. > >Also check your video settings. > >I do suspect it's flash player though.... I tend to try to avoid flash when I can, as netscape-mozilla seemed troubled with the format, over the years. Should have kept this in mind - was probably spoiled by more recent trouble-free activity. It's probably time to shift to a browser thats currently supported. I have had Eirefox and Seamonkey (for the html editor) running on a newer system recently, before it 'went away'. RL
Guest legg Posted April 30, 2008 Posted April 30, 2008 Re: system freeze as Youtube web page loads On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:10:09 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote: > >> I believe the lost clusters were from the number crunching app running >> during the crash. These didn't occur when the background app was >> suspended. > >Could be. Could be Temporary Internet Files or other cache files in >mid-download... The movie itself, even. > >> I'm using the Norton disk checking tools, though I did run MS scandisk >> (without surface scan) prior to running the full disk checking with >> surface scan, overnight, as a doublecheck on why the speed-disk defrag >> could not handle the damaged sector. > >What damaged sector? Please do not call "lost clusters" "damaged sectors". >The former is a software issue, the latter is a hardware issue. Or do you >have test results that point to "damaged sectors"? > >> Presently, MS scandisk does not run automatically after a crash on >> this machine's OS, though occassionally there will be a forced >> start-up into safe mode. I handle scanning manually, and usually in >> safe mode, as well. > I used to save bad clusters, and could often identify some of their origins as html, pdf or images, but have yet to recover a single usable file from them. It's gotten so that I'll just delete them or let NDD do it's own 'auto' function, which is deletion, to save time. I'm going to have to find some similar tools to work in the newer operating systems, when I eventually do get one up and running for more than six months. I recall that the norton tools were seriously crippled when used in W2K. RL
Guest Anastasia Beaverhausen Posted April 30, 2008 Posted April 30, 2008 Re: system freeze as Youtube web page loads @porvoon raganan: Go back on your meds. @Hartford, WI's ER squad: Get a white jacket ready. -- ~PAÞ
Guest thanatoid Posted April 30, 2008 Posted April 30, 2008 Re: system freeze as Youtube web page loads - CORRECTION Re: system freeze as Youtube web page loads - CORRECTION porvoon raganan <porvoon@raganan.non> wrote in news:u1JmjypqIHA.552@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl: > thanatoid wrote: >> WAS: >> That is nuts. And just goes to show how limited Usenet is, >> as it is based on words ONLY. You know the VERY old thing >> about 70-95% (depending on what "specialist" you talk to) >> communication being verbal. >> >> SHOULD BE: >> That is nuts. And just goes to show how limited Usenet is, >> as it is based on words ONLY. You know the VERY old thing >> about 70-95% (depending on what "specialist" you talk to) >> communication being VISUAL. > > Hello: > > I just wanted to thank you for posting and to state that I > am not you. Thnak you. I knew that. > Of course that does not do much good...because if Thanatoid > were posting as Porvoon Raganan he would probably dis-avow > it. Not me. thanatoid uses several nyms depending on the kinds of groups he happens to be in (one for music, one for tech, etc.), just to help me keep things a little organized, but I have never claimed to be someone else nor would anything like it ever occur to me. I say what I think and that's it. I think when one starts post-editing and/or nym-shifting etc. within a thread (or even group), let alone impersonating someone else, this indicates a variety of problems of varying seriousness. Regards t. -- Of course, it is no easy matter to be polite; in so far, I mean, as it requires us to show great respect for everybody, whereas most people deserve none at all; and again in so far as it demands that we should feign the most lively interest in people, when we must be very glad that we have nothing to do with them. - Arthur Schopenhauer
Guest thanatoid Posted April 30, 2008 Posted April 30, 2008 Re: system freeze as Youtube web page loads porvoon raganan <porvoon@raganan.non> wrote in news:uLNv41pqIHA.1872@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl: <SNIP> > I am reposting this message simply so that Philo who has > put Mr. Terhune into his kill file can read the unedited > reply. I suggest to Philo to read and head. heed > My work here > has been commissioned until the end of the month...and > according to the calender, that day has now arrived... so I > am now officially gone...and hope I have the good sense not > to look back and turn into a pillar of salt! Well, I hope you catch that spelling correction anyway... One of the surefire ways of identifying me is that I tend to be VERY picky about spelling :-) -- Of course, it is no easy matter to be polite; in so far, I mean, as it requires us to show great respect for everybody, whereas most people deserve none at all; and again in so far as it demands that we should feign the most lively interest in people, when we must be very glad that we have nothing to do with them. - Arthur Schopenhauer
Guest thanatoid Posted April 30, 2008 Posted April 30, 2008 Re: system freeze as Youtube web page loads "Anastasia Beaverhausen" <noneofyour@business.thx> wrote in news:O#VYo2tqIHA.3456@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl: > @porvoon raganan: Go back on your meds. > > @Hartford, WI's ER squad: Get a white jacket ready. Nice nym! -- Of course, it is no easy matter to be polite; in so far, I mean, as it requires us to show great respect for everybody, whereas most people deserve none at all; and again in so far as it demands that we should feign the most lively interest in people, when we must be very glad that we have nothing to do with them. - Arthur Schopenhauer
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted April 30, 2008 Posted April 30, 2008 Re: system freeze as Youtube web page loads <plonk> "porvoon raganan" <porvoon@raganan.non> wrote in message news:u10MYhpqIHA.3680@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > Gary S. Terhune wrote: >> Oh, so what you are is a totally pompous, self-important ass. Thank you >> for explaining who you are. No, you hadn't done so previously. >> >> Honestly, I started to answer your post inline and in a serious manner, >> but you are really just too precious. You lack knowledge, you lack >> history. Go away. >> >> (One month... ROTFLMAO!!!) >> > > Yes. Although my employment is that of a moderator (elsewhere) I have not > actually posted to Usenet groups until I was recently requested to. > Although I may "lack history"...I at least have a future. > > You are just the opposite in that though you do have a history,but > you have no future. > > It is good I suppose that you can vent here. It is healthier to vent > your anger than to keep it inside. > > You are considerably more transparent that you would wish to believe. > > When you say "ROTFLMAO" you are crying inside. > > When you say "Go away." You are crying for help.
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted April 30, 2008 Posted April 30, 2008 Re: system freeze as Youtube web page loads The record is here in its entirety, in this newsgroup, for others to judge. The time span is short, the posts relatively few. Not a difficult task for anyone who cares. I stand by what I've written and consider your own actions deplorable. As for your judgment of me, I care not one bit. I think you're a detriment to this particular little niche of society, which is dedicated to providing peer-support to Windows 98 users. When you so regularly drag real "clients", usually poor lost souls sent here by MS Support, off into wastelands of irrelevancies and generalities, when what they NEED is for their computer to work again, you do nothing but disservice. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message news:OJ$oQDsqIHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > Gary S. Terhune wrote: >> I don't care about your "jesting". Fact is, I didn't notice any. All I >> care about is you spouting off things about which you know nothing and >> potentially screwing an innocent who happens to need real help. Pisses me >> off. In a healthy way. You KNOW you know nothing, really, about Windows >> 98 and yet you insist... >> >> As for the whole "idiot" thing, you really need to grow a thicker skin. >> Hadn't been for your incredible whining, I wouldn't have deliberately >> inserted it into every reply I made to and about you. Hey, it's getting >> old, anyway. Maybe I'll stop it. It's a lot more likely than you stopping >> your offensive behavior. >> >> If any MVPs think I need a talking to, they have my address. >> > > > OK...on one of my newsreaders I have decided to not kill file Mr. > Terhune...as I may have judged him wrong. > > First off. Gary, you called me an idiot. Now that I have decided to > unblock your posts and respond to you...I am afraid that I have proven for > sure that I am one. > > As far as you not noticing any of my jests...then you have missed a lot. > I don't think I have a serious bone in my body and virtually everything I > say is in jest. > > Backing up to the day that this whole thing started: > > Some woman had posted that her machine had "crashed" and that she could > not send data to her cd. (Yes I did realize that she was trying to use > packet burning.) I told her that she could not send data to her cd...and > that she would have to use her cd burning software. The reply I was > anticipating was simply, " But I have cd burning software installed." > My answer would simply have been, "You *had* cd burning software...but the > "crash" took it out." The end result would have been the same. > > Perhaps that was an idiot's way of solving problems but that's the way I > saw it at the time. > > Now, moving forward to the guy with the bad cluster on his HD. I stated > rather clearly that if the drive is loosing clusters on a regular basis.. > it needs to be replaced. If it was simply one bad cluster with no more > development of bad clusters...it could be ignored. (Though it should be > watched.) I did not mean to imply that logical errors on a file system due > to a bad shut down constituted a drive problem. > > I don't have time right now to search through my past posts to > look at my exact wording...so right now suffice it to say...it might not > have been clear...but from the OP's response...he did not seem to be > confused with the reply I had given. > > Mr. Terhune, when it comes to Windows 98 you are certainly "king of the > hill" and I lay no claim to royalty for any hills, valleys or mountains. > However the "hill" of Windows 98 is a small one. The benefits of running > an operating system with no hardware extraction layer in the 21st century > are very few. > > Since you do not know my background I shall state it here briefly. > I have several jobs and come from a very strong hardware background. Your > strength appears to be software. > > What I have seen all too often is someone attempting to fix an > operating system problem by software trouble-shooting techniques alone... > when the underlying problem was *hardware*. > > The reason why I often suggest a RAM test and to run the mfg's hard drive > diagnostic is to at least determine whether or not the problem is > hardware related. Running a hardware diagnostic is a safe enough operation > and not terribly likely to to any harm other than taking a little bit of > time. Attempting software solutions prior to checking the hardware *can* > cause damage. > > All too often I've seen a win98 user restore the registry and end up > with even bigger problems than the user had started with. In many > instances the problem was due to bad RAM...and had the RAM been replaced > prior to the registry restoration..the problem would have been solved. > In some instances where the registry was restored and only later it was > found the RAM was at fault..the entire system was rendered non-functional. > I always prefer to err on the side of caution! > > In addition to my regular job as a Senior Service Engineer for a > world-wide > manufacturer of industrial equipment. (33 years) I also do volunteer > work for a world-wide non-profit organization. Among other things... > please sit down Mr. Terhune, I am a Microsoft certified refurbisher > who works primarily with Windows 2000. > > That is why I took issue with your original rude comments. Not that > I personally care one way or the other for Microsoft as an organization. > I have no preferences for one operating system vs another. I took issue > with your lack of professional behavior. I am really sorry that I did not > handle my comments to you very well. As I look back I see that... > yep, I whined, shame on me. But now you are just whining and I guess > that was what set me off a bit. > > So...as I said, I do not say too many things seriously...so nothing here > was meant to offend you. I am really sorry that I set you off in the way I > did. I've got my hand out now and am offering you my "on-line" hand shake. > If you insult me again I'll have to sic that Porvoon imposter > upon you . (Hey...it's a joke!) > > BTW: Now that I have seen your side of the story, if I continue to post > here and say something that's really stupid...you can now feel free > to point out my idiocy and I will no longer be upset. > > > Shalom!
Guest thanatoid Posted April 30, 2008 Posted April 30, 2008 Re: system freeze as Youtube web page loads thanatoid <waiting@the.exit.invalid> wrote in news:Xns9A907A8DA5083thanexit@66.250.146.158: > porvoon raganan <porvoon@raganan.non> wrote in > news:uLNv41pqIHA.1872@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl: > > <SNIP> > >> I am reposting this message simply so that Philo who has >> put Mr. Terhune into his kill file can read the unedited >> reply. I suggest to Philo to read and head. > > heed > >> My work here >> has been commissioned until the end of the month...and >> according to the calender, that day has now arrived... so >> I am now officially gone...and hope I have the good sense >> not to look back and turn into a pillar of salt! > > Well, I hope you catch that spelling correction anyway... > One of the surefire ways of identifying me is that I tend > to be VERY picky about spelling :-) Although I missed "calender"... It's calendar, FWIW. -- Of course, it is no easy matter to be polite; in so far, I mean, as it requires us to show great respect for everybody, whereas most people deserve none at all; and again in so far as it demands that we should feign the most lively interest in people, when we must be very glad that we have nothing to do with them. - Arthur Schopenhauer
Guest philo Posted April 30, 2008 Posted April 30, 2008 Re: system freeze as Youtube web page loads Gary S. Terhune wrote: > The record is here in its entirety, in this newsgroup, for others to > judge. The time span is short, the posts relatively few. Not a difficult > task for anyone who cares. I stand by what I've written and consider > your own actions deplorable. As for your judgment of me, I care not one > bit. I think you're a detriment to this particular little niche of > society, which is dedicated to providing peer-support to Windows 98 > users. When you so regularly drag real "clients", usually poor lost > souls sent here by MS Support, off into wastelands of irrelevancies and > generalities, when what they NEED is for their computer to work again, > you do nothing but disservice. > You have made one very serious error.
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted April 30, 2008 Posted April 30, 2008 Re: system freeze as Youtube web page loads Ooohhhhh, I'm shivering in my sandals. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message news:%23r5wAQwqIHA.3568@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > Gary S. Terhune wrote: >> The record is here in its entirety, in this newsgroup, for others to >> judge. The time span is short, the posts relatively few. Not a difficult >> task for anyone who cares. I stand by what I've written and consider your >> own actions deplorable. As for your judgment of me, I care not one bit. I >> think you're a detriment to this particular little niche of society, >> which is dedicated to providing peer-support to Windows 98 users. When >> you so regularly drag real "clients", usually poor lost souls sent here >> by MS Support, off into wastelands of irrelevancies and generalities, >> when what they NEED is for their computer to work again, you do nothing >> but disservice. >> > > > You have made one very serious error.
Guest PCR Posted May 1, 2008 Posted May 1, 2008 Re: system freeze as Youtube web page loads - CORRECTION Re: system freeze as Youtube web page loads - CORRECTION thanatoid wrote: | WAS: | That is nuts. And just goes to show how limited Usenet is, as it | is based on words ONLY. You know the VERY old thing about 70-95% | (depending on what "specialist" you talk to) communication being | verbal. | | SHOULD BE: | That is nuts. And just goes to show how limited Usenet is, as it | is based on words ONLY. You know the VERY old thing about 70-95% | (depending on what "specialist" you talk to) communication being | VISUAL. Sometimes oldies are goodies, thanatoid! About whether you are him, I see now you never would spell as badly as porvoon raganan. But I think with a name like his-- you should be more forgiving! Also, his sting is only a tenth of yours (or even Terhune's!) | -- | Of course, it is no easy matter to be polite; in so far, I mean, | as it requires us to show great respect for everybody, whereas | most people deserve none at all; and again in so far as it | demands that we should feign the most lively interest in people, | when we must be very glad that we have nothing to do with them. | | - Arthur Schopenhauer -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR pcrrcp@netzero.net
Guest PCR Posted May 1, 2008 Posted May 1, 2008 Re: system freeze as Youtube web page loads porvoon raganan wrote: | PCR wrote: |> porvoon raganan wrote: |> | Gary S. Terhune wrote: |> |> Oh, and GFY. I've already admitted my health problems in this |> |> group to great length, and yes there's lots of stress, but that |> |> DOESN'T mean that Philo isn't an idiot or that you aren't a moron |> |> for defending him. (Hey, how about you take off your mask. |> |> Ashamed of being such a shameless philaphilopod?) |> |> |> | |> | Mr. Terhune: |> | |> | Good day to you sir. I believe the word you may have been looking |> | for is "philosophaster". |> | | Phi`los´o`phas`ter | n. 1. A pretender to philosophy. | I've looked again & cannot find it in my Webster's New World Dictionary of the American Language, College Edition. However, this book is old, & the copyright page is missing. But I didn't see you were doing any philosophastering, anyhow-- even if there is such a word! | |> I can't find his word OR yours in my dictionary! But Terhune likely |> is intentionally making his up & possibly referencing... |> |> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0049366/ |> Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1956) |> |> ..., thinking you are thanatoid, maybe! |> | I have not made up the word philosophaster...but Mr. Terhune has made | up his word. Creating new words is a sign of an excellent and clever | mind. That might depend upon just what word is invented, at least for the excellence of it. But Terhune's words often are excellent enough-- even as you never were thanatoid! |> | Rather than reply to each one of your excellent individual posts... |> | I choose to reply simply to this central one. |> | |> | As I may have mentioned here...I am a professional group |> | moderator... but one who has no moderation authority on this |> | group. I have been asked to read over the messages here by a third |> | party (which will go unnamed). It was suggested that I review the |> | posts and comment as necessary in an attempt to smooth over the |> | "bad vibes" which only would tend to embarrass the host |> | organization. |> |> You think we might believe you are...?... |> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0041509/ |> The Inspector General (1949) |> |> | I have read the majority of the posts from the last month or so |> | and can now see why I was called upon to step in and have a look. |> |> As Terhune said, that may not be enough. We have been floating here |> for years! | | | True. I have not posted on any Usenet group until recently... | As I have mentioned somewhere...I am employed as a moderator | elsewhere and I assure you...I am quite familiar with how Usenet is | structured. Very well. |> | As you know...this is a discussion group for Windows98. With a |> | quick "Google search" a great majority of the questions asked here |> | could be answered with no need for this group at all. |> |> Maybe. Well, yea, but lots of the stuff at Google pertaining to Win98 |> started here, I'm sure! Also, there are living people here who will |> discuss it & talk it through! | | | | You are very astute and have picked up on my point exactly! | Though people are often chided for asking "such and such" a question | on a Usenet group...and are rightly told that they could have just | found the answer on Google. Were it not for the open discussions in | the first place...there would be no such information on Google! Absolutely! |> | However...most of the |> | folks who post...come here in-fact for a discussion. (I would think |> | that should not surprise you.) |> |> Most come here to help in a technical problem or to be helped. |> Arguments & discussions can sometimes ensue, yea. |> |> | Unless some person who answers a question specifically passes |> | themselves off as an expert...all advice here is to be taken simply |> | as that...Viz: Advice. |> |> It is helpful to have the MVPs & rare MS personnel around to |> straighten things out! Novices may not know the difference between |> good & bad advice! (But I haven't seen MEB since that Scott Hammer |> MS personage got hold of him!) |> |> | You have mentioned this "Philo" person a number of times...and I |> | have read over his replies...and certainly must agree with |> | you...he does often reply without great insight...but I have found |> | no intentional deception nor advice that would do much more than |> | perhaps waste a little time. Some of the advice (possibly just by |> | random chance) is correct... but as far as I can see...the vast |> | majority of it is simply humor. (Or should I have said: quite |> | *simple* humor ?) |> |> Philo comes up with his share of good advice. It is good to have |> Terhune around to keep him & others on their toes, though! | | | I have searched a bit further at replies elsewhere and see you are | correct there. That Philo character actually has given a bit of decent | enough advice and in a number of very non-related topics. Mr. Terhune, | though his scope is considerably more narrow, is indeed an expert when | it comes to Win98. I may go so far as to say, in fact...that he is | *the* expert. He & other MVP's often will drop into a thread to correct flagrant errors. Sometimes they do get rough. So? | Of course that clarifies his anger...as Win98 is now essentially an | all but dead operating system. With the advent of the "new and | improved" operating system, Vista...it appears that all previous | versions are being killed off as rapidly as possible. I believe that view to be a symptom of 3 months exposure to XP/Vista irradiation. Is the middle toe of your left foot turning blue? Or did you just read that on the UseNet? | I certainly can | understand Mr. Terhune having quite a degree of frustration over that. No. He made the switch & only uses a Win98 simulator now-- on an XP machine! Everyone here is filled with tears-- even philo! It may be he still occasionally will get his hands on an actual Win98 machine, though. Also, his orneriness predates the advent of XP, I know. |> | What you seem to have not noticed ...is that by discussion... |> | a problem is eventually solved. Even wrong answers are generally |> | part of a learning process and will eventually be sorted out. The |> | only thing I can find this "Philo" character |> | guilty of is "talking" just a bit too much. |> |> I must agree (not having credentials of my own & occasionally making |> a rare mistake), although I wouldn't say philo is the worst of |> talkers. And I'm not, either! |> |> | On the other hand, Mr. Terhune...you do pass yourself off as |> | someone with knowledge...A Microsoft Valuable Professional. You of |> | all people should conduct yourself in a professional manner. A |> | true professional should of course comment when he sees incorrect |> | information being posted...but you alone among all MVP's have |> | stooped to name calling, foul language and argumentative behavior. |> | None of that is suitable for a professional! |> |> It's a rite of passage to suffer through Terhune's orneriness! I had |> to do it myself! But we all love him here! Don't chase off one of |> few MVP's we've got left! He's always been full of valuable |> information! |> |> | Also...You have asked me to take off my mask. I am not wearing |> | one... but if you expect me to post my actual email address |> | here...then you have a more serious problem than I thought! |> |> He may think you are that rouge thanatiod. You do have an equivalent |> command of the American language-- & a bit of the sting as well! |> |> | In conclusion, I suspect that you are both a sensitive person |> | and a deep thinker...and I respect those qualities in you. |> |> I agree, but more thinker than sensitive. |> |> | My suggestion is that both you and "Philo" pretend that neither |> | one of you have ever posted here before...and to start over with a |> | clean slate. As a totally isolated third party who can look at the |> | situation with perhaps only minimal bias...The funny thing about |> | both you , Mr. Terhune and "Philo" is how very similar to each |> | other are. If I didn't know better, I'd almost think you two were |> | brothers who got into a fight over something quite inconsequential. |> |> Terhune has more technical knowledge than philo (or me). |> |> | I mean this: Best wishes to the both of you... |> | why not shake hands and move on? If you two fellows can resolve |> | your differences...then I see that there is still hope left in |> | this world. |> |> I don't see that you are any more authorized to mediate this thing |> than Jimmy Carter was in Palestine. Terhune starts off rough. It's |> up to philo to mellow him by sticking only to tried/true |> advice/suggestions. |> | You are correct again. I have no more authority here than Jimmy Carter | does in Palestine. Though I respect Carter for bring at least some | type of peace to Israel and Egypt...Carter has no business going to | Palestine. His legitimate peacemaking ended with his Presidency. Now, neither you nor he are or can produce a letter from Napoleon out of your shoe! | Now...as to that Philo character...as far as I can see...he only | sometimes sticks to "tried/true" advice.(He has thousands of postings | on dozens of groups...so I only read a small portion of them. Many of | his replies are | considerably "off the wall" and often wrong. The odd thing is... | that once in a while he has picked up something all the other experts | have missed. It may simply be due to his ignorance. There are many | fools out there who do something impossible simply because they | didn't know better. I think philo is OK. He might be a bit more deferential, perhaps. That might be an improvement. |> | If you two cannot resolve your differences...then I see the entire |> | world following this terrible path. |> | |> | I remain your obedient servant, |> | |> | P. R. -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR pcrrcp@netzero.net
Guest thanatoid Posted May 1, 2008 Posted May 1, 2008 Re: system freeze as Youtube web page loads - CORRECTION Re: system freeze as Youtube web page loads - CORRECTION "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in news:OB7vtGzqIHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl: > thanatoid wrote: >| WAS: >| That is nuts. And just goes to show how limited Usenet is, >| as it is based on words ONLY. You know the VERY old thing >| about 70-95% (depending on what "specialist" you talk to) >| communication being verbal. >| >| SHOULD BE: >| That is nuts. And just goes to show how limited Usenet is, >| as it is based on words ONLY. You know the VERY old thing >| about 70-95% (depending on what "specialist" you talk to) >| communication being VISUAL. > > Sometimes oldies are goodies, thanatoid! Huh??? Do you mean that talking in RL is better? Well, of course, unless the person smells bad or is a moron you just can't get away from (morons are REALLY good at not legging you go), or when there is a good chance of getting punched in the face :-) Or did you mean something else? > About whether you are him, I see now you never would spell > as badly as porvoon raganan. Anal-retentive spelling obsession is one of the tell-tale marks of a thanatoid post. And as I explained, I am not into nymshifting and similar practices. I simply see no point. I did it ONCE because I desperately needed to ask a question in a tech group where EVERYONE with no exception hated my guts and I knew I was either in all their KF's or that they would never answer a thanatoid post. After a few days someone guessed anyway - I guess it was my writing style - and also the question mentioned my primary computer which as you (by now surely you *must* all know ;-) is a 10½ 166MHz running 95B (very tweaked) and appears to be somewhat of a rarity. > But I think with a name like > his-- you should be more forgiving! I wasn't aware I was being critical or anything like that, /or/ that there was anything to forgive. SInce I have some/most (?) participants KF'd and I entered into the thread late, I am fairly in the dark and just said what I felt should be said, for better or worse. > Also, his sting is only > a tenth of yours (or even Terhune's!) I'll take that as a compliment, but frankly, this whole reply of yours has me a little baffled. But that's OK. It's nothing new. I can be quite dumb sometimes. -- Of course, it is no easy matter to be polite; in so far, I mean, as it requires us to show great respect for everybody, whereas most people deserve none at all; and again in so far as it demands that we should feign the most lively interest in people, when we must be very glad that we have nothing to do with them. - Arthur Schopenhauer
Guest thanatoid Posted May 1, 2008 Posted May 1, 2008 Re: system freeze as Youtube web page loads "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in news:ukZEegzqIHA.3508@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl: <SNIP> >|> | Good day to you sir. I believe the word you may have >|> | been looking for is "philosophaster". >|> >| >| Phi`los´o`phas`ter >| n. 1. A pretender to philosophy. >| > > I've looked again & cannot find it in my Webster's New > World Dictionary of the American Language, College Edition. > However, this book is old, & the copyright page is missing. > But I didn't see you were doing any philosophastering, > anyhow-- even if there is such a word! The above - rather limited - definition is from WordWeb. Copied at great pains (small print, dark room, too lazy to switch on a light) from The Random House Dictionary of the English Language, Unabridged Edition, 1967 (wow, I didn't think it was THAT old!): Philosophaster: (I am NOT copying the pronunciations!) n., one who has only a superficial knowledge of philosophy or who feigns a knowledge he does not possess. A rather good word to know since the 2nd meaning applies to many if not most netizens. Regards t. <SNIP> -- Of course, it is no easy matter to be polite; in so far, I mean, as it requires us to show great respect for everybody, whereas most people deserve none at all; and again in so far as it demands that we should feign the most lively interest in people, when we must be very glad that we have nothing to do with them. - Arthur Schopenhauer
Guest DaffyD® Posted May 1, 2008 Posted May 1, 2008 Re: system freeze as Youtube web page loads Haven't had the time to read all the posts, but from what I have read, this string is really, really good. A lot fun to read too! -- { : [|]=( DaffyD® If I knew where I was I'd be there now. "legg" <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote in message news:osfa141356g4lid5seerjdla8h6am9u997@4ax.com... > > Over the last three days, I've tried to access two separate youtube > links on two separate occasions to find the W98 system freezes as the > page is initially displayed. No keybd/mouse response. Required a > hardware reboot to recover. I don't normally access youtube, but had > done so in the previous week without problems. > > First link was: > > > > The first time the problem occurred, I did a quick disk check - lost > clusters found (and repaired). > > I retried the same link with number crunching background activity > disabled - with the same result. Repeated disk check and then > attempted to run defrag - incomplete after hitting a bad sector. This > was repaired by running a complete disk check, including the surface > test, after which the defrag would complete. > > Retried the link a third time with number crunching disabled - with > the same result. Disk checked again without errors. > > The failed attempt to reach a differing Youtube link today (same > system freeze), suggests that the problem wasn't going away by itself. > > The browser used is still the older Mozilla 1.7.11 - no changes here > in over a year, and none expected in the future (without migrating to > firefox or seamonkey). > > Trying for the same link using IE6 (rarely used but as up to date as > MS permits) I got a blue screen that would not recover but that > allowed a keybd ctrl/alt/del to reboot. > > Repeating this (if only to note down the OE exception number) produced > normal performance.....? > > Repeating the attempt using default Mozilla then also produced normal > performance. > > What could be responsible for this strange behavior in this W98 2ed OS > (-8th year without reinstall)? > > Of course the youtube link was a waste of time, as usual. > > RL
Guest philo Posted May 1, 2008 Posted May 1, 2008 Re: system freeze as Youtube web page loads Gary S. Terhune wrote: > Ooohhhhh, I'm shivering in my sandals. > <G> No I was not making a threat... I have decided to take some advice given to me a friend of mine many years ago. He was a fairy tough ex-army sergeant and I had just been drafted into the army. He was talking about the time he had a broken jaw. "What?" I asked, "How the hell did *you* get a broken jaw?" He replied thus: "Talking when I should have been listening." That advice got me through the army alive.. but through the years I seem to have forgotten it. Now that I have decided to shut up and listen... My comment was directed toward that software you had written...IIRC... time zone edit update. Maybe the error was not as serious as I made it sound...but I was just curious about the reason it seemed to work ok on a win9x system but not on an NT4 system... That's all my question for you was. Not that it's terribly critical or anything...but it was more just a matter of curiosity. I was also curious if you were working on any more projects. I have been looking through the archives and see that you had been very active and productive and feel rather foolish now for having previously misjudged you. thanks!
Guest philo Posted May 1, 2008 Posted May 1, 2008 Re: system freeze as Youtube web page loads PCR wrote: > porvoon raganan wrote: > | PCR wrote: > |> porvoon raganan wrote: > |> | Gary S. Terhune wrote: > |> |> Oh, and GFY. I've already admitted my health problems in this > |> |> group to great length, and yes there's lots of stress, but that > |> |> DOESN'T mean that Philo isn't an idiot or that you aren't a moron > |> |> for defending him. (Hey, how about you take off your mask. > |> |> Ashamed of being such a shameless philaphilopod?) > |> |> > |> | > |> | Mr. Terhune: > |> | > |> | Good day to you sir. I believe the word you may have been looking > |> | for is "philosophaster". > |> > | > | Phi`los´o`phas`ter > | n. 1. A pretender to philosophy. > | > > I've looked again & cannot find it in my Webster's New World Dictionary > of the American Language, College Edition. However, this book is old, & > the copyright page is missing. But I didn't see you were doing any > philosophastering, anyhow-- even if there is such a word! > > | > |> I can't find his word OR yours in my dictionary! But Terhune likely > |> is intentionally making his up & possibly referencing... > |> > |> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0049366/ > |> Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1956) > |> > |> ..., thinking you are thanatoid, maybe! > |> > | I have not made up the word philosophaster...but Mr. Terhune has made > | up his word. Creating new words is a sign of an excellent and clever > | mind. > > That might depend upon just what word is invented, at least for the > excellence of it. But Terhune's words often are excellent enough-- even > as you never were thanatoid! > I did a quick run through the archives and see that Gary really did have a lot to contribute...and as I just told him...I had misjudged him. > |> | Rather than reply to each one of your excellent individual posts... > |> | I choose to reply simply to this central one. > |> | > |> | As I may have mentioned here...I am a professional group > |> | moderator... but one who has no moderation authority on this > |> | group. I have been asked to read over the messages here by a third > |> | party (which will go unnamed). It was suggested that I review the > |> | posts and comment as necessary in an attempt to smooth over the > |> | "bad vibes" which only would tend to embarrass the host > |> | organization. > |> > |> You think we might believe you are...?... > |> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0041509/ > |> The Inspector General (1949) > |> > |> | I have read the majority of the posts from the last month or so > |> | and can now see why I was called upon to step in and have a look. > |> > |> As Terhune said, that may not be enough. We have been floating here > |> for years! > | > | > | True. I have not posted on any Usenet group until recently... > | As I have mentioned somewhere...I am employed as a moderator > | elsewhere and I assure you...I am quite familiar with how Usenet is > | structured. > > Very well. > > |> | As you know...this is a discussion group for Windows98. With a > |> | quick "Google search" a great majority of the questions asked here > |> | could be answered with no need for this group at all. > |> > |> Maybe. Well, yea, but lots of the stuff at Google pertaining to Win98 > |> started here, I'm sure! Also, there are living people here who will > |> discuss it & talk it through! > | > | > | > | You are very astute and have picked up on my point exactly! > | Though people are often chided for asking "such and such" a question > | on a Usenet group...and are rightly told that they could have just > | found the answer on Google. Were it not for the open discussions in > | the first place...there would be no such information on Google! > > Absolutely! Yes that is very true. I also think that continuing discussions are important...even on old subjects. New knowledge is always turned up! > > |> | However...most of the > |> | folks who post...come here in-fact for a discussion. (I would think > |> | that should not surprise you.) > |> > |> Most come here to help in a technical problem or to be helped. > |> Arguments & discussions can sometimes ensue, yea. > |> > |> | Unless some person who answers a question specifically passes > |> | themselves off as an expert...all advice here is to be taken simply > |> | as that...Viz: Advice. > |> > |> It is helpful to have the MVPs & rare MS personnel around to > |> straighten things out! Novices may not know the difference between > |> good & bad advice! (But I haven't seen MEB since that Scott Hammer > |> MS personage got hold of him!) > |> > |> | You have mentioned this "Philo" person a number of times...and I > |> | have read over his replies...and certainly must agree with > |> | you...he does often reply without great insight...but I have found > |> | no intentional deception nor advice that would do much more than > |> | perhaps waste a little time. Some of the advice (possibly just by > |> | random chance) is correct... but as far as I can see...the vast > |> | majority of it is simply humor. (Or should I have said: quite > |> | *simple* humor ?) > |> > |> Philo comes up with his share of good advice. It is good to have > |> Terhune around to keep him & others on their toes, though! > | > | > | I have searched a bit further at replies elsewhere and see you are > | correct there. That Philo character actually has given a bit of decent > | enough advice and in a number of very non-related topics. Mr. Terhune, > | though his scope is considerably more narrow, is indeed an expert when > | it comes to Win98. I may go so far as to say, in fact...that he is > | *the* expert. > > He & other MVP's often will drop into a thread to correct flagrant > errors. Sometimes they do get rough. So? I have been on Usenet for quite a number of years and can honestly say up until I had come across Terhune...I had never seen an MVP loose it like that...but then again...I blew it too...So I can hardly be critical! > | Of course that clarifies his anger...as Win98 is now essentially an > | all but dead operating system. With the advent of the "new and > | improved" operating system, Vista...it appears that all previous > | versions are being killed off as rapidly as possible. > > I believe that view to be a symptom of 3 months exposure to XP/Vista > irradiation. Is the middle toe of your left foot turning blue? Or did > you just read that on the UseNet? > > | I certainly can > | understand Mr. Terhune having quite a degree of frustration over that. > > No. He made the switch & only uses a Win98 simulator now-- on an XP > machine! Everyone here is filled with tears-- even philo! It may be he > still occasionally will get his hands on an actual Win98 machine, > though. Also, his orneriness predates the advent of XP, I know. I suppose he was just born that way...but I think that to be an expert in a field...only to see it dwindle...may not have helped either > |> | What you seem to have not noticed ...is that by discussion... > |> | a problem is eventually solved. Even wrong answers are generally > |> | part of a learning process and will eventually be sorted out. The > |> | only thing I can find this "Philo" character > |> | guilty of is "talking" just a bit too much. > |> > |> I must agree (not having credentials of my own & occasionally making > |> a rare mistake), although I wouldn't say philo is the worst of > |> talkers. And I'm not, either! > |> > |> | On the other hand, Mr. Terhune...you do pass yourself off as > |> | someone with knowledge...A Microsoft Valuable Professional. You of > |> | all people should conduct yourself in a professional manner. A > |> | true professional should of course comment when he sees incorrect > |> | information being posted...but you alone among all MVP's have > |> | stooped to name calling, foul language and argumentative behavior. > |> | None of that is suitable for a professional! > |> > |> It's a rite of passage to suffer through Terhune's orneriness! I had > |> to do it myself! But we all love him here! Don't chase off one of > |> few MVP's we've got left! He's always been full of valuable > |> information! > |> > |> | Also...You have asked me to take off my mask. I am not wearing > |> | one... but if you expect me to post my actual email address > |> | here...then you have a more serious problem than I thought! > |> > |> He may think you are that rouge thanatiod. You do have an equivalent > |> command of the American language-- & a bit of the sting as well! > |> > |> | In conclusion, I suspect that you are both a sensitive person > |> | and a deep thinker...and I respect those qualities in you. > |> > |> I agree, but more thinker than sensitive. > |> > |> | My suggestion is that both you and "Philo" pretend that neither > |> | one of you have ever posted here before...and to start over with a > |> | clean slate. As a totally isolated third party who can look at the > |> | situation with perhaps only minimal bias...The funny thing about > |> | both you , Mr. Terhune and "Philo" is how very similar to each > |> | other are. If I didn't know better, I'd almost think you two were > |> | brothers who got into a fight over something quite inconsequential. > |> > |> Terhune has more technical knowledge than philo (or me). > |> > |> | I mean this: Best wishes to the both of you... > |> | why not shake hands and move on? If you two fellows can resolve > |> | your differences...then I see that there is still hope left in > |> | this world. > |> > |> I don't see that you are any more authorized to mediate this thing > |> than Jimmy Carter was in Palestine. Terhune starts off rough. It's > |> up to philo to mellow him by sticking only to tried/true > |> advice/suggestions. > |> > | You are correct again. I have no more authority here than Jimmy Carter > | does in Palestine. Though I respect Carter for bring at least some > | type of peace to Israel and Egypt...Carter has no business going to > | Palestine. > > His legitimate peacemaking ended with his Presidency. Now, neither you > nor he are or can produce a letter from Napoleon out of your shoe! > Yes I remember his presidency well. He was a well meaning president... but of course, as the say...the road to hell is paved with good intentions. > | Now...as to that Philo character...as far as I can see...he only > | sometimes sticks to "tried/true" advice.(He has thousands of postings > | on dozens of groups...so I only read a small portion of them. Many of > | his replies are > | considerably "off the wall" and often wrong. The odd thing is... > | that once in a while he has picked up something all the other experts > | have missed. It may simply be due to his ignorance. There are many > | fools out there who do something impossible simply because they > | didn't know better. > > I think philo is OK. He might be a bit more deferential, perhaps. That > might be an improvement. > Glad you think Philo is OK... Sometimes I wonder about myself <G>
Guest philo Posted May 1, 2008 Posted May 1, 2008 Re: system freeze as Youtube web page loads thanatoid wrote: > "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in > news:ukZEegzqIHA.3508@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl: > > <SNIP> > >> |> | Good day to you sir. I believe the word you may have >> |> | been looking for is "philosophaster". >> |> >> | >> | Phi`los´o`phas`ter >> | n. 1. A pretender to philosophy. >> | >> >> I've looked again & cannot find it in my Webster's New >> World Dictionary of the American Language, College Edition. >> However, this book is old, & the copyright page is missing. >> But I didn't see you were doing any philosophastering, >> anyhow-- even if there is such a word! > > The above - rather limited - definition is from WordWeb. > > Copied at great pains (small print, dark room, too lazy to > switch on a light) from The Random House Dictionary of the > English Language, Unabridged Edition, 1967 (wow, I didn't think > it was THAT old!): > > Philosophaster: (I am NOT copying the pronunciations!) > n., one who has only a superficial knowledge of philosophy or > who feigns a knowledge he does not possess. > > A rather good word to know since the 2nd meaning applies to many > if not most netizens. > > Regards > t. > > > <SNIP> > I think that's what they used to say was a good 50 cent word!
Guest Jeff Richards Posted May 1, 2008 Posted May 1, 2008 Re: system freeze as Youtube web page loads My guess is that you used to save _lost_ clusters - an entirely different concept. Scandisk for XP and Vista isn't significantly different than the W98 version. OTOH, if you were using Norton tools then you will want to change anyway, regardless of whether or not they exist for those other OS. -- Jeff Richards MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User) "legg" <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote in message news:tv4h141rg2efl8pd938k47jnb1uk5a1io2@4ax.com... > On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:10:09 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote: > snip < >> > I used to save bad clusters, and could often identify some of their > origins as html, pdf or images, but have yet to recover a single > usable file from them. > > It's gotten so that I'll just delete them or let NDD do it's own > 'auto' function, which is deletion, to save time. > > I'm going to have to find some similar tools to work in the newer > operating systems, when I eventually do get one up and running for > more than six months. I recall that the norton tools were seriously > crippled when used in W2K. > > RL
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted May 1, 2008 Posted May 1, 2008 Re: system freeze as Youtube web page loads I went through a lot of testing, using new builds as often as not. I don't know why the NT4 version did not work for you, and the proper thing for you to have done was to alert me to the issue and maybe we could work together on your NT setup, which would have especially please me, since I had no well-worked versions of NT4 to work with. FYI, I would most likely have referred you to an NT4 group, since I just provided MS files, no code of my own. After some preliminary research, of course. But now, you need to realize that while you were once just an irksome nuisance, I meant what I said in my previous post. My only desire with regards to you is that you go away, for good. Furthermore, after reading your posts in this whole "idiot" affair, I have come to realize that you are a flat-out liar, a poser of the worst kind. I won't spell out the evidence, you know full well (though if you're a pathological liar... I've had experience with those, and you guys don't even know when you're lying. If that's the case, believe it or not, I feel sorry for you. But I still want you to go away.) I will not respond to your posts in the future except to correct your frequent mistakes when any innocents are involved. (You non-innocents who are forever creating miles of thread where philo participates, to talk about irrelevancies galore... You're on your own, as usual.) -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message news:uql4cV1qIHA.2208@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > Gary S. Terhune wrote: >> Ooohhhhh, I'm shivering in my sandals. >> > > > <G> > > No I was not making a threat... > I have decided to take some advice given to me a friend of mine many years > ago. > > He was a fairy tough ex-army sergeant and I had just been drafted into the > army. He was talking about the time he had a broken jaw. > > "What?" I asked, "How the hell did *you* get a broken jaw?" > > He replied thus: "Talking when I should have been listening." > > That advice got me through the army alive.. > but through the years I seem to have forgotten it. > > Now that I have decided to shut up and listen... > > My comment was directed toward that software you had written...IIRC... > time zone edit update. > > Maybe the error was not as serious as I made it sound...but I was just > curious about the reason it seemed to work ok on a win9x system but not > on an NT4 system... > > That's all my question for you was. Not that it's terribly critical or > anything...but it was more just a matter of curiosity. > > I was also curious if you were working on any more projects. > > I have been looking through the archives and see that you had been > very active and productive and feel rather foolish now for having > previously misjudged you. > > thanks!
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted May 1, 2008 Posted May 1, 2008 Re: system freeze as Youtube web page loads I don't use Win98 on VPC, though I played with it for a few weeks last year. I use an old Compaq (yuck!) to play with things 98. I have to rebuild my old P200 after having to cannibalize it in an emergency. Slow but easy to work on for my myriad testing purposes. You do realize that you're talking to a total nutjob, right? -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message news:ukZEegzqIHA.3508@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > porvoon raganan wrote: > | PCR wrote: > |> porvoon raganan wrote: > |> | Gary S. Terhune wrote: > |> |> Oh, and GFY. I've already admitted my health problems in this > |> |> group to great length, and yes there's lots of stress, but that > |> |> DOESN'T mean that Philo isn't an idiot or that you aren't a moron > |> |> for defending him. (Hey, how about you take off your mask. > |> |> Ashamed of being such a shameless philaphilopod?) > |> |> > |> | > |> | Mr. Terhune: > |> | > |> | Good day to you sir. I believe the word you may have been looking > |> | for is "philosophaster". > |> > | > | Phi`los´o`phas`ter > | n. 1. A pretender to philosophy. > | > > I've looked again & cannot find it in my Webster's New World Dictionary > of the American Language, College Edition. However, this book is old, & > the copyright page is missing. But I didn't see you were doing any > philosophastering, anyhow-- even if there is such a word! > > | > |> I can't find his word OR yours in my dictionary! But Terhune likely > |> is intentionally making his up & possibly referencing... > |> > |> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0049366/ > |> Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1956) > |> > |> ..., thinking you are thanatoid, maybe! > |> > | I have not made up the word philosophaster...but Mr. Terhune has made > | up his word. Creating new words is a sign of an excellent and clever > | mind. > > That might depend upon just what word is invented, at least for the > excellence of it. But Terhune's words often are excellent enough-- even > as you never were thanatoid! > > |> | Rather than reply to each one of your excellent individual posts... > |> | I choose to reply simply to this central one. > |> | > |> | As I may have mentioned here...I am a professional group > |> | moderator... but one who has no moderation authority on this > |> | group. I have been asked to read over the messages here by a third > |> | party (which will go unnamed). It was suggested that I review the > |> | posts and comment as necessary in an attempt to smooth over the > |> | "bad vibes" which only would tend to embarrass the host > |> | organization. > |> > |> You think we might believe you are...?... > |> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0041509/ > |> The Inspector General (1949) > |> > |> | I have read the majority of the posts from the last month or so > |> | and can now see why I was called upon to step in and have a look. > |> > |> As Terhune said, that may not be enough. We have been floating here > |> for years! > | > | > | True. I have not posted on any Usenet group until recently... > | As I have mentioned somewhere...I am employed as a moderator > | elsewhere and I assure you...I am quite familiar with how Usenet is > | structured. > > Very well. > > |> | As you know...this is a discussion group for Windows98. With a > |> | quick "Google search" a great majority of the questions asked here > |> | could be answered with no need for this group at all. > |> > |> Maybe. Well, yea, but lots of the stuff at Google pertaining to Win98 > |> started here, I'm sure! Also, there are living people here who will > |> discuss it & talk it through! > | > | > | > | You are very astute and have picked up on my point exactly! > | Though people are often chided for asking "such and such" a question > | on a Usenet group...and are rightly told that they could have just > | found the answer on Google. Were it not for the open discussions in > | the first place...there would be no such information on Google! > > Absolutely! > > |> | However...most of the > |> | folks who post...come here in-fact for a discussion. (I would think > |> | that should not surprise you.) > |> > |> Most come here to help in a technical problem or to be helped. > |> Arguments & discussions can sometimes ensue, yea. > |> > |> | Unless some person who answers a question specifically passes > |> | themselves off as an expert...all advice here is to be taken simply > |> | as that...Viz: Advice. > |> > |> It is helpful to have the MVPs & rare MS personnel around to > |> straighten things out! Novices may not know the difference between > |> good & bad advice! (But I haven't seen MEB since that Scott Hammer > |> MS personage got hold of him!) > |> > |> | You have mentioned this "Philo" person a number of times...and I > |> | have read over his replies...and certainly must agree with > |> | you...he does often reply without great insight...but I have found > |> | no intentional deception nor advice that would do much more than > |> | perhaps waste a little time. Some of the advice (possibly just by > |> | random chance) is correct... but as far as I can see...the vast > |> | majority of it is simply humor. (Or should I have said: quite > |> | *simple* humor ?) > |> > |> Philo comes up with his share of good advice. It is good to have > |> Terhune around to keep him & others on their toes, though! > | > | > | I have searched a bit further at replies elsewhere and see you are > | correct there. That Philo character actually has given a bit of decent > | enough advice and in a number of very non-related topics. Mr. Terhune, > | though his scope is considerably more narrow, is indeed an expert when > | it comes to Win98. I may go so far as to say, in fact...that he is > | *the* expert. > > He & other MVP's often will drop into a thread to correct flagrant > errors. Sometimes they do get rough. So? > > | Of course that clarifies his anger...as Win98 is now essentially an > | all but dead operating system. With the advent of the "new and > | improved" operating system, Vista...it appears that all previous > | versions are being killed off as rapidly as possible. > > I believe that view to be a symptom of 3 months exposure to XP/Vista > irradiation. Is the middle toe of your left foot turning blue? Or did > you just read that on the UseNet? > > | I certainly can > | understand Mr. Terhune having quite a degree of frustration over that. > > No. He made the switch & only uses a Win98 simulator now-- on an XP > machine! Everyone here is filled with tears-- even philo! It may be he > still occasionally will get his hands on an actual Win98 machine, > though. Also, his orneriness predates the advent of XP, I know. > > |> | What you seem to have not noticed ...is that by discussion... > |> | a problem is eventually solved. Even wrong answers are generally > |> | part of a learning process and will eventually be sorted out. The > |> | only thing I can find this "Philo" character > |> | guilty of is "talking" just a bit too much. > |> > |> I must agree (not having credentials of my own & occasionally making > |> a rare mistake), although I wouldn't say philo is the worst of > |> talkers. And I'm not, either! > |> > |> | On the other hand, Mr. Terhune...you do pass yourself off as > |> | someone with knowledge...A Microsoft Valuable Professional. You of > |> | all people should conduct yourself in a professional manner. A > |> | true professional should of course comment when he sees incorrect > |> | information being posted...but you alone among all MVP's have > |> | stooped to name calling, foul language and argumentative behavior. > |> | None of that is suitable for a professional! > |> > |> It's a rite of passage to suffer through Terhune's orneriness! I had > |> to do it myself! But we all love him here! Don't chase off one of > |> few MVP's we've got left! He's always been full of valuable > |> information! > |> > |> | Also...You have asked me to take off my mask. I am not wearing > |> | one... but if you expect me to post my actual email address > |> | here...then you have a more serious problem than I thought! > |> > |> He may think you are that rouge thanatiod. You do have an equivalent > |> command of the American language-- & a bit of the sting as well! > |> > |> | In conclusion, I suspect that you are both a sensitive person > |> | and a deep thinker...and I respect those qualities in you. > |> > |> I agree, but more thinker than sensitive. > |> > |> | My suggestion is that both you and "Philo" pretend that neither > |> | one of you have ever posted here before...and to start over with a > |> | clean slate. As a totally isolated third party who can look at the > |> | situation with perhaps only minimal bias...The funny thing about > |> | both you , Mr. Terhune and "Philo" is how very similar to each > |> | other are. If I didn't know better, I'd almost think you two were > |> | brothers who got into a fight over something quite inconsequential. > |> > |> Terhune has more technical knowledge than philo (or me). > |> > |> | I mean this: Best wishes to the both of you... > |> | why not shake hands and move on? If you two fellows can resolve > |> | your differences...then I see that there is still hope left in > |> | this world. > |> > |> I don't see that you are any more authorized to mediate this thing > |> than Jimmy Carter was in Palestine. Terhune starts off rough. It's > |> up to philo to mellow him by sticking only to tried/true > |> advice/suggestions. > |> > | You are correct again. I have no more authority here than Jimmy Carter > | does in Palestine. Though I respect Carter for bring at least some > | type of peace to Israel and Egypt...Carter has no business going to > | Palestine. > > His legitimate peacemaking ended with his Presidency. Now, neither you > nor he are or can produce a letter from Napoleon out of your shoe! > > | Now...as to that Philo character...as far as I can see...he only > | sometimes sticks to "tried/true" advice.(He has thousands of postings > | on dozens of groups...so I only read a small portion of them. Many of > | his replies are > | considerably "off the wall" and often wrong. The odd thing is... > | that once in a while he has picked up something all the other experts > | have missed. It may simply be due to his ignorance. There are many > | fools out there who do something impossible simply because they > | didn't know better. > > I think philo is OK. He might be a bit more deferential, perhaps. That > might be an improvement. > > |> | If you two cannot resolve your differences...then I see the entire > |> | world following this terrible path. > |> | > |> | I remain your obedient servant, > |> | > |> | P. R. > > -- > Thanks or Good Luck, > There may be humor in this post, and, > Naturally, you will not sue, > Should things get worse after this, > PCR > pcrrcp@netzero.net > >
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted May 1, 2008 Posted May 1, 2008 Re: system freeze as Youtube web page loads My mistake, I confused your post with another that came in this morning. Thought you were talking about the Updates, though of course, I never provided Updates for NT4. The almost certain solution to the problem is for you to update your WSH support. If you've been paying attention, you'll have noticed a long thread this week dealing with just this subject. You can get a copy of SCR56EN.EXE here: http://grystmill.com/shared/scr56en.exe -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message news:OsOwsu4qIHA.2292@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >I went through a lot of testing, using new builds as often as not. I don't >know why the NT4 version did not work for you, and the proper thing for you >to have done was to alert me to the issue and maybe we could work together >on your NT setup, which would have especially please me, since I had no >well-worked versions of NT4 to work with. FYI, I would most likely have >referred you to an NT4 group, since I just provided MS files, no code of my >own. After some preliminary research, of course. > > But now, you need to realize that while you were once just an irksome > nuisance, I meant what I said in my previous post. My only desire with > regards to you is that you go away, for good. > > Furthermore, after reading your posts in this whole "idiot" affair, I have > come to realize that you are a flat-out liar, a poser of the worst kind. I > won't spell out the evidence, you know full well (though if you're a > pathological liar... I've had experience with those, and you guys don't > even know when you're lying. If that's the case, believe it or not, I feel > sorry for you. But I still want you to go away.) > > I will not respond to your posts in the future except to correct your > frequent mistakes when any innocents are involved. (You non-innocents who > are forever creating miles of thread where philo participates, to talk > about irrelevancies galore... You're on your own, as usual.) > > -- > Gary S. Terhune > MS-MVP Shell/User > http://www.grystmill.com > > > "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message > news:uql4cV1qIHA.2208@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> Gary S. Terhune wrote: >>> Ooohhhhh, I'm shivering in my sandals. >>> >> >> >> <G> >> >> No I was not making a threat... >> I have decided to take some advice given to me a friend of mine many >> years ago. >> >> He was a fairy tough ex-army sergeant and I had just been drafted into >> the army. He was talking about the time he had a broken jaw. >> >> "What?" I asked, "How the hell did *you* get a broken jaw?" >> >> He replied thus: "Talking when I should have been listening." >> >> That advice got me through the army alive.. >> but through the years I seem to have forgotten it. >> >> Now that I have decided to shut up and listen... >> >> My comment was directed toward that software you had written...IIRC... >> time zone edit update. >> >> Maybe the error was not as serious as I made it sound...but I was just >> curious about the reason it seemed to work ok on a win9x system but not >> on an NT4 system... >> >> That's all my question for you was. Not that it's terribly critical or >> anything...but it was more just a matter of curiosity. >> >> I was also curious if you were working on any more projects. >> >> I have been looking through the archives and see that you had been >> very active and productive and feel rather foolish now for having >> previously misjudged you. >> >> thanks! >
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