XP SP3 Problems/Help

May 7, 2008

Hi, I just installed SP3 using Windows Update (I had XP SP2 Pro fully

updated). Everything went fine, I restarted the PC and apparently everything

fine after the desktop showed up (no error messages, etc). But after

examining my system I found the following changes:

1) The address bar is removed in the main taskbar, so I tried Right clicking

on the taskbar > Toolbars> but notice that the Address option has been

removed in SP3. Any way to restore it?

2) Old Windows Messenger was reinstalled, so I uninstalled it.

3) Each time I try to open MSN Messenger an install window opens displaying

that MSN Messenger is being restored, so I cancel the process and MSN

Messenger opens up normally. Any way to prevent this reinstall from opening

up each time I open MSN Messenger?

4) If I try to activate Error Checking after reboot (by right clicking "C"

drive in My Computer-Properties-Tools-Error Checking) and reboot it won't go

thru error checking, it will skip it. How to fix this?

All of the above issues promted me to uninstall SP3 from my system using

Add/Remove Programs in Control Panel and now my PC is back to SP2 and

everything restored and working normally. I'd like however to know how to

handle the above issues to be able to update to SP3. Thanks.

May 7, 2008

Re: XP SP3 Problems/Help

"Ale" wrote in

<news:E916AF21-A8BE-4C83-A504-F81E987F3B16@microsoft.com>:

> 1) The address bar is removed in the main taskbar, so I tried Right clicking

> on the taskbar > Toolbars> but notice that the Address option has been

> removed in SP3. Any way to restore it?

After installing Service Pack 3 to Windows XP, the Address toolbar is no

longer available in the Windows taskbar. It's a legal thing as to why

Microsoft says it was forced to remove it. The quick answer to

restoring the Address toolbar in the taskbar is:

In %windir%\system32, replace the SP-3 version of browseui.dll with

the SP-2 version.

Unfortunately, Windows File Protection gets in the way (and so does

explorer.exe for the Windows desktop and some other processes). The

workaround is to use the PendingFileRenameOperations key in the

registry. Values under this key specify which files to move, replace,

or delete when Windows starts up. Get the PendMoves.zip file from

SysInternals (http://www.sysinternals.com) which contains the

pendmoves.exe and movefile.exe utilities. pendmoves tells you what is

already in that registry key to get renamed on the next Windows startup

(afterwhich this key gets cleared). movefile lets you add entries to

this registry key.

- If you haven't yet installed SP-3, save a copy of the file:

md c:\backup

copy "%windir%\system32\browseui.dll" c:\temp\

- If you have already installed SP-3, you will have to get a copy of

browseui.dl_ (ends with the underscore character) from your backups,

from a Windows SP-2 install CD, from another of your hosts still running

Windows XP SP-2, or from a friend that you really trust. If you get the

compressed browseui.dl_ file, decompress it:

expand [drive:[path]]browseui.dl_ c:\backup\browseui.dll

Now that you have the old version of the browseui.dll file, you need to

replace the SP-3 version with the old version. Run the following

command in a DOS shell:

copy c:\windows\system32\browseui.dll

c:\windows\system32\browseui_sp3.dll

movefile c:\backup\browseui.dll c:\windows\system32\browseui.dll

The assumptions are: movefile.exe is in the current directory or found

by the PATH environment variable and that you saved the old version of

browseui.dll under c:\backup. Do NOT use

"%windir%\system32\browseui.dll" for the destination since the windir

environment variable won't be defined when the move operation is

performed during Windows startup. In the above, I save a copy of the

SP-3 version of browseui.dll just in case it is found later that using

the old version causes problems and I have to revert back to using the

SP-3 version along with having to sacrifice the Address toolbar.

While this gets back the Address toolbar in the Windows taskbar, the

browseui.dll file is used by lots of different functions within Windows.

So it is possible that reverting to the old version could cause problems

with other functionality.

> 2) Old Windows Messenger was reinstalled, so I uninstalled it.

Probably because there were updates to apply to it. I always uninstall

it by going to the Add/Remove Programs applet and using the Add/Remove

Windows Components applet.

> 3) Each time I try to open MSN Messenger an install window opens displaying

> that MSN Messenger is being restored, so I cancel the process and MSN

> Messenger opens up normally. Any way to prevent this reinstall from opening

> up each time I open MSN Messenger?

I thought Microsoft had discontinued the old MSN Messenger and gone to

the new Windows Live Messenger (http://get.live.com).

> 4) If I try to activate Error Checking after reboot (by right clicking "C"

> drive in My Computer-Properties-Tools-Error Checking) and reboot it won't go

> thru error checking, it will skip it. How to fix this?

Does the same skip-on-reboot problem occur if you run "chkdsk c: /r"

from a DOS shell? I added the /r option which take longer to do some

checking on the readability of sectors. You could instead use the /f

switch to fix any problems that it finds. There is no point in running

chkdsk without any options to tell you there are problems and then not

bother to do anything about them. In the DOS shell, and after entering

the chkdsk command, you'll be told the partition is inuse (well, because

it's the OS partition) and the checking is not performed until a reboot.

See if the checking does indeed get done during the reboot.

> All of the above issues promted me to uninstall SP3 from my system using

> Add/Remove Programs in Control Panel and now my PC is back to SP2 and

> everything restored and working normally. I'd like however to know how to

> handle the above issues to be able to update to SP3. Thanks.

Personally I don't rely or trust a software uninstall procedure to

return the OS partition back to the EXACT state as it was before the

service pack install and without any remnant pollution left by the new

service pack. For any major change in your system, save a partition

image so you get back exactly what you had before.

May 7, 2008

Re: XP SP3 Problems/Help

"VanguardLH" wrote in <news:fvrvu1$ci6$1@registered.motzarella.org>:

> ...

> Now that you have the old version of the browseui.dll file, you need to

> replace the SP-3 version with the old version. Run the following

> command in a DOS shell:

>

> copy c:\windows\system32\browseui.dll c:\windows\system32\browseui_sp3.dll

> movefile c:\backup\browseui.dll c:\windows\system32\browseui.dll

Oops, I forgot about WFP (Windows File Protection). The backup copy of

the file should also be replaced in the dllcache folder. So use the

following commands for the movefile (which replaces on reboot):

copy c:\windows\system32\browseui.dll c:\windows\system32\browseui_sp3.dll

movefile c:\backup\browseui.dll c:\windows\system32\dllcache\browseui.dll

movefile c:\backup\browseui.dll c:\windows\system32\browseui.dll

Each movefile is on one line (so be careful due to any line wrapping in

your newsreader).

May 7, 2008

Re: XP SP3 Problems/Help

Free unlimited installation and compatibility support is available for

Windows XP, but only for Service Pack 3 (SP3), until 14 Apr-09. Chat and

e-mail support is available only in the United States and Canada.

• US:

http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?ln=en-us&prid=11273&gprid=522131

• CA:

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• UK:

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• AU:

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• Other: http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?gprid=1173 | select

Windows XP | select Windows XP Service Pack 3

========================================

WinXP SP3 Installation:

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windowsxp/cc164204.aspx

Steps to take before you install WinXP SP3

(includes numerous windowsupdate.log Error Codes, if encountered during

installation)

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/950717

The hard disk space requirements for WinXP SP3

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/947311

Release notes for WinXP SP3

• http://support.microsoft.com/kb/936929

•

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=60807C3A-8969-4DDF-BEB2-8BFAC9ED416B

•

http://download.microsoft.com/download/c/d/8/cd8cc719-7d5a-40d3-a802-e4057aa8c631/relnotes.htm

====================================

<IMHO>

Temporarily disable all real-time protections afforded by your anti-virus

application, any anti-spyware applications, and any third-party firewall

prior to installing SP3. If you disable a third-party firewall, make sure

you then enable the Windows Firewall: The machine should not be connected to

the internet without an active firewall.

After installing SP3 /and rebooting twice/, check to make sure your

real-time protections have been re-enabled; If you disabled a third-party

firewall, remember to re-enable it and disable the Windows Firewall.

</IMHO>

--

~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002

AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net

DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

Ale wrote:

> Hi, I just installed SP3 using Windows Update (I had XP SP2 Pro fully

> updated). Everything went fine, I restarted the PC and apparently

> everything

> fine after the desktop showed up (no error messages, etc). But after

> examining my system I found the following changes:

> 1) The address bar is removed in the main taskbar, so I tried Right

> clicking

> on the taskbar > Toolbars> but notice that the Address option has been

> removed in SP3. Any way to restore it?

> 2) Old Windows Messenger was reinstalled, so I uninstalled it.

> 3) Each time I try to open MSN Messenger an install window opens

> displaying

> that MSN Messenger is being restored, so I cancel the process and MSN

> Messenger opens up normally. Any way to prevent this reinstall from

> opening

> up each time I open MSN Messenger?

> 4) If I try to activate Error Checking after reboot (by right clicking "C"

> drive in My Computer-Properties-Tools-Error Checking) and reboot it won't

> go

> thru error checking, it will skip it. How to fix this?

>

> All of the above issues promted me to uninstall SP3 from my system using

> Add/Remove Programs in Control Panel and now my PC is back to SP2 and

> everything restored and working normally. I'd like however to know how to

> handle the above issues to be able to update to SP3. Thanks.

May 7, 2008

Re: XP SP3 Problems/Help

Thanks Vanguard, that was a highly technical reply of yours!. What about this

workaround to restore the address bar?

http://www.systemsabuse.com/2007/12/27/xp-service-pack-3-sp3-where-did-my-toolbars-address-bar-go-missing/

Also, if I ever try clean installing SP3 from scratch, which of these

methods would you recommend? (I own a Dell PC):

1) Install WinXP Pro SP0 (OEM CD), then SP2, then SP3

2) Install WinXP Pro SP0 (OEM CD), then SP3

3) Install winXP Pro SP2 (OEM CD), then SP3

"VanguardLH" wrote:

> "VanguardLH" wrote in <news:fvrvu1$ci6$1@registered.motzarella.org>:

> > ...

> > Now that you have the old version of the browseui.dll file, you need to

> > replace the SP-3 version with the old version. Run the following

> > command in a DOS shell:

> >

> > copy c:\windows\system32\browseui.dll c:\windows\system32\browseui_sp3.dll

> > movefile c:\backup\browseui.dll c:\windows\system32\browseui.dll

>

> Oops, I forgot about WFP (Windows File Protection). The backup copy of

> the file should also be replaced in the dllcache folder. So use the

> following commands for the movefile (which replaces on reboot):

>

> copy c:\windows\system32\browseui.dll c:\windows\system32\browseui_sp3.dll

> movefile c:\backup\browseui.dll c:\windows\system32\dllcache\browseui.dll

> movefile c:\backup\browseui.dll c:\windows\system32\browseui.dll

> <reboot>

>

> Each movefile is on one line (so be careful due to any line wrapping in

> your newsreader).

>

May 7, 2008

Re: XP SP3 Problems/Help

Thanks Bear...would you suggest installing SP3 or can I live secure with SP2?

Also, if I ever try clean installing SP3 from scratch, which of these

methods would you recommend? (I own a Dell PC):

1) Install WinXP Pro SP0 (OEM CD), then SP2, then SP3

2) Install WinXP Pro SP0 (OEM CD), then SP3

3) Install winXP Pro SP2 (OEM CD), then SP3

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

> Free unlimited installation and compatibility support is available for

> Windows XP, but only for Service Pack 3 (SP3), until 14 Apr-09. Chat and

> e-mail support is available only in the United States and Canada.

>

> • US:

> http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?ln=en-us&prid=11273&gprid=522131

>

> • CA:

> http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?ln=en-ca&prid=11273&gprid=522131

>

> • UK:

> http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?ln=en-uk&prid=11273&gprid=522131

>

> • AU:

> http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?ln=en-au&prid=11273&gprid=522131

>

> • Other: http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?gprid=1173 | select

> Windows XP | select Windows XP Service Pack 3

>

> ========================================

>

> WinXP SP3 Installation:

> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windowsxp/cc164204.aspx

>

> Steps to take before you install WinXP SP3

> (includes numerous windowsupdate.log Error Codes, if encountered during

> installation)

> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/950717

>

> The hard disk space requirements for WinXP SP3

> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/947311

>

> Release notes for WinXP SP3

> • http://support.microsoft.com/kb/936929

> •

> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=60807C3A-8969-4DDF-BEB2-8BFAC9ED416B

> •

> http://download.microsoft.com/download/c/d/8/cd8cc719-7d5a-40d3-a802-e4057aa8c631/relnotes.htm

>

> ====================================

>

> <IMHO>

> Temporarily disable all real-time protections afforded by your anti-virus

> application, any anti-spyware applications, and any third-party firewall

> prior to installing SP3. If you disable a third-party firewall, make sure

> you then enable the Windows Firewall: The machine should not be connected to

> the internet without an active firewall.

>

> After installing SP3 /and rebooting twice/, check to make sure your

> real-time protections have been re-enabled; If you disabled a third-party

> firewall, remember to re-enable it and disable the Windows Firewall.

> </IMHO>

> --

> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002

> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net

> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

>

> Ale wrote:

> > Hi, I just installed SP3 using Windows Update (I had XP SP2 Pro fully

> > updated). Everything went fine, I restarted the PC and apparently

> > everything

> > fine after the desktop showed up (no error messages, etc). But after

> > examining my system I found the following changes:

> > 1) The address bar is removed in the main taskbar, so I tried Right

> > clicking

> > on the taskbar > Toolbars> but notice that the Address option has been

> > removed in SP3. Any way to restore it?

> > 2) Old Windows Messenger was reinstalled, so I uninstalled it.

> > 3) Each time I try to open MSN Messenger an install window opens

> > displaying

> > that MSN Messenger is being restored, so I cancel the process and MSN

> > Messenger opens up normally. Any way to prevent this reinstall from

> > opening

> > up each time I open MSN Messenger?

> > 4) If I try to activate Error Checking after reboot (by right clicking "C"

> > drive in My Computer-Properties-Tools-Error Checking) and reboot it won't

> > go

> > thru error checking, it will skip it. How to fix this?

> >

> > All of the above issues promted me to uninstall SP3 from my system using

> > Add/Remove Programs in Control Panel and now my PC is back to SP2 and

> > everything restored and working normally. I'd like however to know how to

> > handle the above issues to be able to update to SP3. Thanks.

>

May 7, 2008

Re: XP SP3 Problems/Help

In addition to PA's next reply :)

First of all, 2) is not possible. MS has blocked it on Windows Update.

Either 1) or 3) produces the same result.

However, why not avoid the issue entirely (as follows)?

Using your SP0 cd and the SP2 standalone installation package for IT Pros,

make a slipstreamed cd (called an integrated XP Pro SP2 cd). Using that and

the standlaone package for SP3, make an XP Pro SP3 integrated cd that can be

used to directly install XP Pro SP3 whenever you want. It has the added

advantage that it would be the required cd in order to do a repair install

later anyway should you ever need to do that.

"Ale" <Ale@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:E621B585-72FD-4409-AC53-D6D3A2957567@microsoft.com...

> Thanks Bear...would you suggest installing SP3 or can I live secure with

> SP2?

> Also, if I ever try clean installing SP3 from scratch, which of these

> methods would you recommend? (I own a Dell PC):

> 1) Install WinXP Pro SP0 (OEM CD), then SP2, then SP3

> 2) Install WinXP Pro SP0 (OEM CD), then SP3

> 3) Install winXP Pro SP2 (OEM CD), then SP3

>

> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

>

>> Free unlimited installation and compatibility support is available for

>> Windows XP, but only for Service Pack 3 (SP3), until 14 Apr-09. Chat and

>> e-mail support is available only in the United States and Canada.

>>

>> • US:

>> http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?ln=en-us&prid=11273&gprid=522131

>>

>> • CA:

>> http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?ln=en-ca&prid=11273&gprid=522131

>>

>> • UK:

>> http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?ln=en-uk&prid=11273&gprid=522131

>>

>> • AU:

>> http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?ln=en-au&prid=11273&gprid=522131

>>

>> • Other: http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?gprid=1173 |

>> select

>> Windows XP | select Windows XP Service Pack 3

>>

>> ========================================

>>

>> WinXP SP3 Installation:

>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windowsxp/cc164204.aspx

>>

>> Steps to take before you install WinXP SP3

>> (includes numerous windowsupdate.log Error Codes, if encountered during

>> installation)

>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/950717

>>

>> The hard disk space requirements for WinXP SP3

>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/947311

>>

>> Release notes for WinXP SP3

>> • http://support.microsoft.com/kb/936929

>> •

>> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=60807C3A-8969-4DDF-BEB2-8BFAC9ED416B

>> •

>> http://download.microsoft.com/download/c/d/8/cd8cc719-7d5a-40d3-a802-e4057aa8c631/relnotes.htm

>>

>> ====================================

>>

>> <IMHO>

>> Temporarily disable all real-time protections afforded by your anti-virus

>> application, any anti-spyware applications, and any third-party firewall

>> prior to installing SP3. If you disable a third-party firewall, make

>> sure

>> you then enable the Windows Firewall: The machine should not be connected

>> to

>> the internet without an active firewall.

>>

>> After installing SP3 /and rebooting twice/, check to make sure your

>> real-time protections have been re-enabled; If you disabled a third-party

>> firewall, remember to re-enable it and disable the Windows Firewall.

>> </IMHO>

>> --

>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002

>> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net

>> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

>>

>> Ale wrote:

>> > Hi, I just installed SP3 using Windows Update (I had XP SP2 Pro fully

>> > updated). Everything went fine, I restarted the PC and apparently

>> > everything

>> > fine after the desktop showed up (no error messages, etc). But after

>> > examining my system I found the following changes:

>> > 1) The address bar is removed in the main taskbar, so I tried Right

>> > clicking

>> > on the taskbar > Toolbars> but notice that the Address option has been

>> > removed in SP3. Any way to restore it?

>> > 2) Old Windows Messenger was reinstalled, so I uninstalled it.

>> > 3) Each time I try to open MSN Messenger an install window opens

>> > displaying

>> > that MSN Messenger is being restored, so I cancel the process and MSN

>> > Messenger opens up normally. Any way to prevent this reinstall from

>> > opening

>> > up each time I open MSN Messenger?

>> > 4) If I try to activate Error Checking after reboot (by right clicking

>> > "C"

>> > drive in My Computer-Properties-Tools-Error Checking) and reboot it

>> > won't

>> > go

>> > thru error checking, it will skip it. How to fix this?

>> >

>> > All of the above issues promted me to uninstall SP3 from my system

>> > using

>> > Add/Remove Programs in Control Panel and now my PC is back to SP2 and

>> > everything restored and working normally. I'd like however to know how

>> > to

>> > handle the above issues to be able to update to SP3. Thanks.

>>

May 8, 2008

Re: XP SP3 Problems/Help

When support for WinXP SP2 ends a few years from now, you'll need to have

SP3 installed to get any further critical security updates. SP3 is not a

security update.

The machine must be running WinXP SP1 or WinXP SP2 to be able to install

SP3, so I'll pick Door #3!

Ale wrote:

> Thanks Bear...would you suggest installing SP3 or can I live secure with

> SP2? Also, if I ever try clean installing SP3 from scratch, which of these

> methods would you recommend? (I own a Dell PC):

> 1) Install WinXP Pro SP0 (OEM CD), then SP2, then SP3

> 2) Install WinXP Pro SP0 (OEM CD), then SP3

> 3) Install winXP Pro SP2 (OEM CD), then SP3

>

> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

>

>> Free unlimited installation and compatibility support is available for

>> Windows XP, but only for Service Pack 3 (SP3), until 14 Apr-09. Chat and

>> e-mail support is available only in the United States and Canada.

>>

>> • US:

>> http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?ln=en-us&prid=11273&gprid=522131

>>

>> • CA:

>> http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?ln=en-ca&prid=11273&gprid=522131

>>

>> • UK:

>> http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?ln=en-uk&prid=11273&gprid=522131

>>

>> • AU:

>> http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?ln=en-au&prid=11273&gprid=522131

>>

>> • Other: http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?gprid=1173 |

>> select

>> Windows XP | select Windows XP Service Pack 3

>>

>> ========================================

>>

>> WinXP SP3 Installation:

>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windowsxp/cc164204.aspx

>>

>> Steps to take before you install WinXP SP3

>> (includes numerous windowsupdate.log Error Codes, if encountered during

>> installation)

>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/950717

>>

>> The hard disk space requirements for WinXP SP3

>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/947311

>>

>> Release notes for WinXP SP3

>> • http://support.microsoft.com/kb/936929

>> •

>> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=60807C3A-8969-4DDF-BEB2-8BFAC9ED416B

>> •

>> http://download.microsoft.com/download/c/d/8/cd8cc719-7d5a-40d3-a802-e4057aa8c631/relnotes.htm

>>

>> ====================================

>>

>> <IMHO>

>> Temporarily disable all real-time protections afforded by your anti-virus

>> application, any anti-spyware applications, and any third-party firewall

>> prior to installing SP3. If you disable a third-party firewall, make

>> sure

>> you then enable the Windows Firewall: The machine should not be connected

>> to the internet without an active firewall.

>>

>> After installing SP3 /and rebooting twice/, check to make sure your

>> real-time protections have been re-enabled; If you disabled a third-party

>> firewall, remember to re-enable it and disable the Windows Firewall.

>> </IMHO>

>> --

>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002

>> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net

>> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

>>

>> Ale wrote:

>>> Hi, I just installed SP3 using Windows Update (I had XP SP2 Pro fully

>>> updated). Everything went fine, I restarted the PC and apparently

>>> everything

>>> fine after the desktop showed up (no error messages, etc). But after

>>> examining my system I found the following changes:

>>> 1) The address bar is removed in the main taskbar, so I tried Right

>>> clicking

>>> on the taskbar > Toolbars> but notice that the Address option has been

>>> removed in SP3. Any way to restore it?

>>> 2) Old Windows Messenger was reinstalled, so I uninstalled it.

>>> 3) Each time I try to open MSN Messenger an install window opens

>>> displaying

>>> that MSN Messenger is being restored, so I cancel the process and MSN

>>> Messenger opens up normally. Any way to prevent this reinstall from

>>> opening

>>> up each time I open MSN Messenger?

>>> 4) If I try to activate Error Checking after reboot (by right clicking

>>> "C"

>>> drive in My Computer-Properties-Tools-Error Checking) and reboot it

>>> won't

>>> go

>>> thru error checking, it will skip it. How to fix this?

>>>

>>> All of the above issues promted me to uninstall SP3 from my system using

>>> Add/Remove Programs in Control Panel and now my PC is back to SP2 and

>>> everything restored and working normally. I'd like however to know how

>>> to

>>> handle the above issues to be able to update to SP3. Thanks.

May 8, 2008

Re: XP SP3 Problems/Help

"Ale" wrote in

<news:A1DDEC90-5229-492B-8A7B-6F7DBE01316F@microsoft.com>:

> Thanks Vanguard, that was a highly technical reply of yours!. What about this

> workaround to restore the address bar?

> http://www.systemsabuse.com/2007/12/27/xp-service-pack-3-sp3-where-did-my-toolbars-address-bar-go-missing/

I didn't go the 3rd party route to add someone else's toolbar (which

still has defects).

> Also, if I ever try clean installing SP3 from scratch, which of these

> methods would you recommend? (I own a Dell PC):

> 1) Install WinXP Pro SP0 (OEM CD), then SP2, then SP3

> 2) Install WinXP Pro SP0 (OEM CD), then SP3

> 3) Install winXP Pro SP2 (OEM CD), then SP3

Use the WinXP SP2 to slipstream in SP3 to create a WinXP SP3 install CD.

May 8, 2008

Re: XP SP3 Problems/Help

"Ale" wrote in

<news:E621B585-72FD-4409-AC53-D6D3A2957567@microsoft.com>:

> Thanks Bear...would you suggest installing SP3 or can I live secure with SP2?

What in the release notes for SP-3 convinced you that you must have

SP-3?

May 8, 2008

Re: XP SP3 Problems/Help

The reason why I did not mention the option of slipstreaming SP3 into the XP

SP2 CD is that from what I read it is not possible to slipstream, or at least

it's more problematic, when the CD is an OEM version, right?

"VanguardLH" wrote:

> "Ale" wrote in

> <news:A1DDEC90-5229-492B-8A7B-6F7DBE01316F@microsoft.com>:

>

> > Thanks Vanguard, that was a highly technical reply of yours!. What about this

> > workaround to restore the address bar?

> > http://www.systemsabuse.com/2007/12/27/xp-service-pack-3-sp3-where-did-my-toolbars-address-bar-go-missing/

>

> I didn't go the 3rd party route to add someone else's toolbar (which

> still has defects).

>

> > Also, if I ever try clean installing SP3 from scratch, which of these

> > methods would you recommend? (I own a Dell PC):

> > 1) Install WinXP Pro SP0 (OEM CD), then SP2, then SP3

> > 2) Install WinXP Pro SP0 (OEM CD), then SP3

> > 3) Install winXP Pro SP2 (OEM CD), then SP3

>

> Use the WinXP SP2 to slipstream in SP3 to create a WinXP SP3 install CD.

>

May 8, 2008

Re: XP SP3 Problems/Help

Vanguard, that's precisely the point, SP3 release notes say that it does not

significantly impact the XP experience and that it does not add any

additional security patches other than those already released thru Windows

Update. It only seems to add the convenience of unifying all previous patches

in a single file. Therefore, it odes not seem to be a critical patch, so why

go thru the trouble of messing with system files? I guess the only reason to

eventually consider is the lack of support for SP2 in a couple of years.

"VanguardLH" wrote:

> "Ale" wrote in

> <news:E621B585-72FD-4409-AC53-D6D3A2957567@microsoft.com>:

>

> > Thanks Bear...would you suggest installing SP3 or can I live secure with SP2?

>

> What in the release notes for SP-3 convinced you that you must have

> SP-3?

>

May 8, 2008

Re: XP SP3 Problems/Help

"Ale" wrote in

<news:27BC58E5-5BA0-4361-90EE-3E10A73BEADE@microsoft.com>:

> The reason why I did not mention the option of slipstreaming SP3 into the XP

> SP2 CD is that from what I read it is not possible to slipstream, or at least

> it's more problematic, when the CD is an OEM version, right?

I slipstreamed SP-2 into my OEM CD for Windows XP Pro SP-1. So why

can't SP-3 be slipstreamed into an OEM CD for Windows XP Pro SP-2? The

slipstreaming is done on your hard disk and then you copy the files onto

your own recordable CD. Unless I missed it, I never saw mention that I

cannot slipstream using an OEM CD as the baseline version. Obviously a

service pack updates retail or OEM versions of Windows.

Please point me at the articles you read that say OEM cannot be used as

baseline to create a slipstreamed modified version of it.

May 8, 2008

Re: XP SP3 Problems/Help

VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:

>I slipstreamed SP-2 into my OEM CD for Windows XP Pro SP-1. So why

>can't SP-3 be slipstreamed into an OEM CD for Windows XP Pro SP-2?

It can.

May 8, 2008

Re: XP SP3 Problems/Help

"Ale" wrote in

<news:0D45588F-2543-4F9C-9E0D-551FB5AC18D9@microsoft.com>:

> "VanguardLH" wrote:

>>

>> What in the release notes for SP-3 convinced you that you must have

>> SP-3?

>

> Vanguard, that's precisely the point, SP3 release notes say that it does not

> significantly impact the XP experience and that it does not add any

> additional security patches other than those already released thru Windows

> Update. It only seems to add the convenience of unifying all previous patches

> in a single file. Therefore, it odes not seem to be a critical patch, so why

> go thru the trouble of messing with system files? I guess the only reason to

> eventually consider is the lack of support for SP2 in a couple of years.

No, the release notes *do* mention additional functionality that was

added in SP-3 but most, if not all, of them might not apply in your

computing environment. Do you know what is NAP? If you do, is it

applicable in your computing environment? There are some other

additions but you need to read the release notes to see if they apply to

your setup. 80% of SP-3 is SP-2 plus subsequent updates since the

release of SP-2. So if you have SP-2 and been staying up to date then

SP-3 gives you little additional functionality, and what it does give

you in additional functionality may not be usable to you.

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=68c48dad-bc34-40be-8d85-6bb4f56f5110&DisplayLang=en

- Adds NAP (I won't bother to decode the initials since if you don't

know what NAP means then you don't need it).

- New version of MMC. Yes, you use MMC but a new version isn't need for

those applets that use it now.

- Says it adds MSXML v6 yet I already have it (and I don't have SP-3).

Check for %windir%\system32\msxml*.dll to see the highest version you

already have; however, it is possible that I manually installed the

latest version of MDAC and not as part of Windows Update.

- MSI 3.1 (from 3.0). A minor update. If any update in the future from

Microsoft requires it, they'll shove it at you when you visit Windows

Update.

- Newer version of BITS. Again, if you don't recognize the initials

then you don't need a newer version. V1.0 came in Windows XP. V1.5

came in Windows Server 2003. So V2.5 is a major upgrade. See

http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/3/d/b3d8e8ea-8c3f-4962-8a01-478b33f44e15/BITS.doc

for info on BITS. Do you even have a server host in your network? You

do at work but then *you* shouldn't be updating your employer's

workstations as that is a task to be performed only by their IT group

when they decide to deploy that service pack.

- IPSEC update. Do you even define IPSEC filters? Didn't think so.

- DIMS. Again, are you on a corporate network and logging under a

domain?

- Peer Name Resolution. Possibly helpful if your intranet includes a

mix of Windows XP and Vista hosts. It has been working for me so far so

the "update" is hardly a requirement.

- RDP upped to v6.1. I already had v6.0 (again possibly because I

downloaded it rather than getting it through Windows Update).

- WPA v2. Possibly useful. I haven't bothered to check into this one

yet.

- More descriptive text explaining the options for security policies.

Well, if you haven't figured them out by now, you don't use policies.

If you do use policies, you would've already figured them out by now.

The added help comes too late. I'd rather see more info added to the

BSOD error codes.

- Windows Product Activation. Claims that you can "now" opt to now

activate during an install and can activate later after the OS has been

installed. It was there before but not obvious so Microsoft just made

it obvious.

In addition, and without official notification by Microsoft despite

their claims to notify:

- Removes the Address toolbar from the Windows taskbar.

May 8, 2008

Re: XP SP3 Problems/Help

Vanguard, read this thread which at the time I posted in the Dell Community

Forum:

http://www.dellcommunity.com/supportforums/board/message?board.id=sw_winxp&message.id=120692

"VanguardLH" wrote:

> "Ale" wrote in

> <news:27BC58E5-5BA0-4361-90EE-3E10A73BEADE@microsoft.com>:

>

> > The reason why I did not mention the option of slipstreaming SP3 into the XP

> > SP2 CD is that from what I read it is not possible to slipstream, or at least

> > it's more problematic, when the CD is an OEM version, right?

>

> I slipstreamed SP-2 into my OEM CD for Windows XP Pro SP-1. So why

> can't SP-3 be slipstreamed into an OEM CD for Windows XP Pro SP-2? The

> slipstreaming is done on your hard disk and then you copy the files onto

> your own recordable CD. Unless I missed it, I never saw mention that I

> cannot slipstream using an OEM CD as the baseline version. Obviously a

> service pack updates retail or OEM versions of Windows.

>

> Please point me at the articles you read that say OEM cannot be used as

> baseline to create a slipstreamed modified version of it.

>

May 10, 2008

Re: XP SP3 Problems/Help

Hello...you are not alone! Same problem here on my wife's laptop running

XP. Address bar has gone since installing SP3 and no obvious option

available to restore it, haven't noticed any other difficulties as yet

but it's early days. No doubt she'll keep me informed! I'm researching

and will advise if I find a solution...hope you will do the same if you

beat me to it.

Regards

Bob

--

oingyboingybob

May 10, 2008

Re: XP SP3 Problems/Help

Hi Bob, try this simple solution to the address bar:

1. create a new bar on the taskbar (Links for example)

2. drag it to desktop to undock it (it will change to a panel, you have to

undock it as it won't work otherwise)

3. now you can add the address bar (rightcklick on the undocked panel)

4. drag the newly created address bar to taskbar

"oingyboingybob" wrote:

>

> Hello...you are not alone! Same problem here on my wife's laptop running

> XP. Address bar has gone since installing SP3 and no obvious option

> available to restore it, haven't noticed any other difficulties as yet

> but it's early days. No doubt she'll keep me informed! I'm researching

> and will advise if I find a solution...hope you will do the same if you

> beat me to it.

> Regards

> Bob

>

> --

> oingyboingybob

>

May 10, 2008

Re: XP SP3 Problems/Help

Hello again

worked a treat! Many thanks....she's happy now, and if she's happy my

life returns to normal, until the next time I update something for her.

Bob

--

oingyboingybob

May 10, 2008

Re: XP SP3 Problems/Help

Hi,

I've installed SP3 and I haven't got this much problems since I had the

worst Virus in my pc. My pc doesn't start anymore, I can't enter in my XP

because BSOD just appears due to (I think) a logitech driver. There is some

sort of a conflict. I've managed to do a chkdsk and WOW! What kind of

software have you guys released and installed in my pc? My entire harddisk is

gone real bad. Geez...

I knew it. My automatic updates was always off, and here I was thinking "hey

an update can't hurt, right?" Yeah right... Think again.

My advice to everyone as an experienced PC/XP user: DO NOT UPDATE UNLESS

YOUR PC IS UNSTABLE. If it's stable just leave it that way! Trust me, if you

do an update you'll do more harm then good.

May 10, 2008

Re: XP SP3 Problems/Help

> My advice to everyone as an experienced PC/XP user: DO NOT UPDATE UNLESS

> YOUR PC IS UNSTABLE

Duh.

WinXP SP3 - Read all prerequisites for a successful installation

http://msmvps.com/blogs/harrywaldron/archive/2008/05/08/windows-xp-sp3-read-all-prerequisites-for-a-successful-installation.aspx

Steps to take before you install WinXP SP3

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/950717

--

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MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002

AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net

DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

Dreams wrote:

> Hi,

>

> I've installed SP3 and I haven't got this much problems since I had the

> worst Virus in my pc. My pc doesn't start anymore, I can't enter in my XP

> because BSOD just appears due to (I think) a logitech driver. There is

> some

> sort of a conflict. I've managed to do a chkdsk and WOW! What kind of

> software have you guys released and installed in my pc? My entire harddisk

> is gone real bad. Geez...

>

> I knew it. My automatic updates was always off, and here I was thinking

> "hey

> an update can't hurt, right?" Yeah right... Think again.

>

> My advice to everyone as an experienced PC/XP user: DO NOT UPDATE UNLESS

> YOUR PC IS UNSTABLE. If it's stable just leave it that way! Trust me, if

> you

> do an update you'll do more harm then good.

May 10, 2008

Re: XP SP3 Problems/Help

Has it ever occurred to you that your computer was so full of trash that a

clean install of SP3 was impossible?

Amazing how people like you always blames Microsoft.

Care to guess how many successful installs there are?

"Dreams" <Dreams@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:9834F50C-DDD7-4C57-B079-0FC7B72BA27C@microsoft.com...

>

> Hi,

>

> I've installed SP3 and I haven't got this much problems since I had the

> worst Virus in my pc. My pc doesn't start anymore, I can't enter in my XP

> because BSOD just appears due to (I think) a logitech driver. There is

> some

> sort of a conflict. I've managed to do a chkdsk and WOW! What kind of

> software have you guys released and installed in my pc? My entire harddisk

> is

> gone real bad. Geez...

>

> I knew it. My automatic updates was always off, and here I was thinking

> "hey

> an update can't hurt, right?" Yeah right... Think again.

>

> My advice to everyone as an experienced PC/XP user: DO NOT UPDATE UNLESS

> YOUR PC IS UNSTABLE. If it's stable just leave it that way! Trust me, if

> you

> do an update you'll do more harm then good.

May 11, 2008

Re: XP SP3 Problems/Help

"Dreams" wrote in

<news:9834F50C-DDD7-4C57-B079-0FC7B72BA27C@microsoft.com>:

> Hi,

>

> I've installed SP3 and I haven't got this much problems since I had the

> worst Virus in my pc. My pc doesn't start anymore, I can't enter in my XP

> because BSOD just appears due to (I think) a logitech driver. There is some

> sort of a conflict. I've managed to do a chkdsk and WOW! What kind of

> software have you guys released and installed in my pc? My entire harddisk is

> gone real bad. Geez...

>

> I knew it. My automatic updates was always off, and here I was thinking "hey

> an update can't hurt, right?" Yeah right... Think again.

>

> My advice to everyone as an experienced PC/XP user: DO NOT UPDATE UNLESS

> YOUR PC IS UNSTABLE. If it's stable just leave it that way! Trust me, if you

> do an update you'll do more harm then good.

So you install updates without ever reading the notes for them to know

what they are for. Guess you also drive around with a blindfold over

your eyes hoping that everywhere you drive is clear.

Always do a custom install of updates so you can see what you are

getting, and read their notes and even the KB article which is

indicated. Express and automatic updates means you are driving blind.

May 13, 2008

Re: XP SP3 Problems/Help

Vanguard,

I hate to be a bearer of bad news, but methinks that there's an "oops" in

there. I reckon, from trying this, that "movefile" does what it says on the

tin (i.e. *moves* the file). So, what happens is that the move to dllcache

goes off and then the move to system32 goes pear-shaped as there's now no

source file for it to move from :-}

Took me a while to work that one out. I resorted to using a Bart PE disk to

copy the DLLs, but I reckon that using "movefile" with two copies to start

with should also be OK.

Anyhow, despite traffic to the contrary, this *does* restore the address bar

to the vanilla, release version of SP3.

Cheers,

Tim

"VanguardLH" wrote:

> "VanguardLH" wrote in <news:fvrvu1$ci6$1@registered.motzarella.org>:

> > ...

> > Now that you have the old version of the browseui.dll file, you need to

> > replace the SP-3 version with the old version. Run the following

> > command in a DOS shell:

> >

> > copy c:\windows\system32\browseui.dll c:\windows\system32\browseui_sp3.dll

> > movefile c:\backup\browseui.dll c:\windows\system32\browseui.dll

>

> Oops, I forgot about WFP (Windows File Protection). The backup copy of

> the file should also be replaced in the dllcache folder. So use the

> following commands for the movefile (which replaces on reboot):

>

> copy c:\windows\system32\browseui.dll c:\windows\system32\browseui_sp3.dll

> movefile c:\backup\browseui.dll c:\windows\system32\dllcache\browseui.dll

> movefile c:\backup\browseui.dll c:\windows\system32\browseui.dll

> <reboot>

>

> Each movefile is on one line (so be careful due to any line wrapping in

> your newsreader).

>

May 13, 2008

Re: XP SP3 Problems/Help

"Tim.C" wrote in

<news:C720420A-FAF6-4EF1-9DB6-0E4DDBDBE1BF@microsoft.com>:

> Vanguard,

>

> I hate to be a bearer of bad news, but methinks that there's an "oops" in

> there. I reckon, from trying this, that "movefile" does what it says on the

> tin (i.e. *moves* the file). So, what happens is that the move to dllcache

> goes off and then the move to system32 goes pear-shaped as there's now no

> source file for it to move from :-}

> Took me a while to work that one out. I resorted to using a Bart PE disk to

> copy the DLLs, but I reckon that using "movefile" with two copies to start

> with should also be OK.

>

> Anyhow, despite traffic to the contrary, this *does* restore the address bar

> to the vanilla, release version of SP3.

Thanks for the check. I had assumed 'movefile' would do copy but it

makes sense that it moves. I tried using Microsoft's 'inuse' utility

but it it checks if the file is protected by WFP. Since it is a

protected file, inuse refuses to setup the pending file change on

Windows startup using the registry key. I wanted to instruct using a

utility rather than have users go editing the registry.

When I did the original test in a virtual machine, I had only used

'movefile' with the system32 destination. Then later I realized that it

should also get replaced in the dllcache to subvert WFP.

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