Missing prgs- files -updates

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_________

"Tom" <Tom@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

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| Pentium 3. win98se. Prgs, data files, Win 98 & 98se updates, just

| dissappeared from my hard drive. Ran scandisk, all ok, no bad sectors,

| nothing.

| Any ideas how this could happen? Other prgs wont load, get message "error

| '429'

| activeX compone cant create object ". Any help appreciated.

May 7, 2008

Re: Missing prgs- files -updates

Re: Missing prgs- files -updates

Try reinstalling MS Office.

Some light reading: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/828550

May 10, 2008

Re: Missing prgs- files -updates

"MEB" wrote:

> Hmm, not much to work with, but did you run any Anti-virus and SpyWare

> testing programs?

>

> Is this computer part of a network [other than the Internet]? No.

>

> You might try reverting to a previous registry [one that worked] from before

> this issue started. How do I locate a previous registry? I can remember backing up the registry but to where?

>

> IF the computer starts, can you use Explorer to look at the disk, you must

> have Settings > Folder Options > View > Hidden Files - Show all files, and

> Hide file extensions for know types UNCHECKED, to view hidden folder and

> files.

> MEB You mean to check view hidden folder and files.

>

> --

> --

> _________

>

> "Tom" <Tom@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:202A4B66-1116-47FE-AE1A-6A2E43A8E1C7@microsoft.com...

> | Pentium 3. win98se. Prgs, data files, Win 98 & 98se updates, just

> | dissappeared from my hard drive. Ran scandisk, all ok, no bad sectors,

> | nothing.

> | Any ideas how this could happen? Other prgs wont load, get message "error

> | '429'

> | activeX compone cant create object ". Any help appreciated.

>

May 10, 2008

Re: Missing prgs- files -updates

Right, I guess I should have made that a bit clearer:

| > IF the computer starts, can you use Explorer to look at the disk, you

must

| > have Settings > Folder Options > View > Hidden Files - Show all files,

checked/ticked

AND

| > Hide file extensions for know types UNCHECKED,

; to view hidden folder and

| > files.

--

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_________

"Tom" <Tom@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

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|

| "MEB" wrote:

|

| > Hmm, not much to work with, but did you run any Anti-virus and SpyWare

| > testing programs?

| >

| > Is this computer part of a network [other than the Internet]? No.

| >

| > You might try reverting to a previous registry [one that worked] from

before

| > this issue started. How do I locate a previous registry? I can

remember backing up the registry but to where?

| >

| > IF the computer starts, can you use Explorer to look at the disk, you

must

| > have Settings > Folder Options > View > Hidden Files - Show all files,

and

| > Hide file extensions for know types UNCHECKED, to view hidden folder and

| > files.

| > MEB You mean to check view hidden folder and files.

| >

| > --

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/896358/en-us

| > --

| > _________

| >

| > "Tom" <Tom@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

| > news:202A4B66-1116-47FE-AE1A-6A2E43A8E1C7@microsoft.com...

| > | Pentium 3. win98se. Prgs, data files, Win 98 & 98se updates, just

| > | dissappeared from my hard drive. Ran scandisk, all ok, no bad sectors,

| > | nothing.

| > | Any ideas how this could happen? Other prgs wont load, get message

"error

| > | '429'

| > | activeX compone cant create object ". Any help appreciated.

| >

May 11, 2008

Re: Missing prgs- files -updates

Tom wrote:

| Pentium 3. win98se. Prgs, data files, Win 98 & 98se updates, just

| dissappeared from my hard drive. Ran scandisk, all ok, no bad sectors,

| nothing.

(1) Where were these items located before they disappeared--

(a) All over the place?

(b) In discrete folders in C:partition?

(d) On a separate computer to which you connect

through file sharing?

(2) If in a discrete location, did everything there disappear,

or did some of it survive?

(3) Did anything happen before they disappeared--

(a) A crash?

(b) A big install or uninstall?

| Any ideas how this could happen? Other prgs wont load, get message

| "error '429'

| activeX compone cant create object ". Any help appreciated.

ActiveX ususally is involved when accessing remote locations on the NET.

Are you online at the time & trying to access files in a shared folder?

(1) Maybe update your virus defs & run a scan.

(2) Can it be one of these doing it...?...

MS05-026: A vulnerability in HTML Help could allow remote code execution

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/892675/en-us

Certain Web sites and HTML Help features may not work after you install

security update 896358 or security update 890175

(3) Close all open programs, then...

"START button, Run, DXDiag"

That is the DirectX Diagnostic Tool. Does it have a message?

--

Thanks or Good Luck,

There may be humor in this post, and,

Naturally, you will not sue,

Should things get worse after this,

PCR

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=activex+component+error+429

May 11, 2008

Re: Missing prgs- files -updates

Tom wrote:

| Pentium 3. win98se. Prgs, data files, Win 98 & 98se updates, just

| dissappeared from my hard drive. Ran scandisk, all ok, no bad sectors,

| nothing.

| Any ideas how this could happen? Other prgs wont load, get message

| "error '429'

| activeX compone cant create object ". Any help appreciated.

Here is more on 429 errors. Read through some & get back with any

further questions...

Google has a ton for it. Following is the 1st it came up with.

http://www.colba.net/~hlebo49/er429.htm

429 - Errors

--

Thanks or Good Luck,

There may be humor in this post, and,

Naturally, you will not sue,

Should things get worse after this,

PCR

May 11, 2008

Re: Missing prgs- files -updates

This last post of yours, PCR, should show you that your contention that

"ActiveX usually is involved when accessing remote locations on the NET," is

at best misleading. None of those errors involve the internet. Best do some

reading up. Lots of ActiveX in Office apps and HTML Help.

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=activex+component+error+429

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

news:eIA1QfwsIHA.5872@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> Tom wrote:

> | Pentium 3. win98se. Prgs, data files, Win 98 & 98se updates, just

> | dissappeared from my hard drive. Ran scandisk, all ok, no bad sectors,

> | nothing.

> | Any ideas how this could happen? Other prgs wont load, get message

> | "error '429'

> | activeX compone cant create object ". Any help appreciated.

>

> Here is more on 429 errors. Read through some & get back with any

> further questions...

>

> Google has a ton for it. Following is the 1st it came up with.

>

> http://www.colba.net/~hlebo49/er429.htm

> 429 - Errors

>

> --

> Thanks or Good Luck,

> There may be humor in this post, and,

> Naturally, you will not sue,

> Should things get worse after this,

> PCR

> pcrrcp@netzero.net

>

May 11, 2008

Re: Missing prgs- files -updates

"MEB" wrote:

> Right, I guess I should have made that a bit clearer:

>

> | > IF the computer starts, can you use Explorer to look at the disk, you

> must

> | > have Settings > Folder Options > View > Hidden Files - Show all files,

> checked/ticked

>

MEB

You might try reverting to a previous registry [one that worked] from

before this issue started.

How do I locate a previous registry? I can

remember backing up the registry but to where?

| >

> AND

> | > Hide file extensions for know types UNCHECKED,

>

> ; to view hidden folder and

> | > files.

>

> --

> --

> _________

>

> "Tom" <Tom@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:44D48AAE-BDC8-4475-9F1E-59D987813304@microsoft.com...

> |

> | "MEB" wrote:

> |

> | > Hmm, not much to work with, but did you run any Anti-virus and SpyWare

> | > testing programs?

> | >

> | > Is this computer part of a network [other than the Internet]? No.

> | >

> | > You might try reverting to a previous registry [one that worked] from

> before

> | > this issue started. How do I locate a previous registry? I can

> remember backing up the registry but to where?

> | >

> | > IF the computer starts, can you use Explorer to look at the disk, you

> must

> | > have Settings > Folder Options > View > Hidden Files - Show all files,

> and

> | > Hide file extensions for know types UNCHECKED, to view hidden folder and

> | > files.

> | > MEB You mean to check view hidden folder and files.

> | >

> | > --

> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/896358/en-us

> | > --

> | > _________

> | >

> | > "Tom" <Tom@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> | > news:202A4B66-1116-47FE-AE1A-6A2E43A8E1C7@microsoft.com...

> | > | Pentium 3. win98se. Prgs, data files, Win 98 & 98se updates, just

> | > | dissappeared from my hard drive. Ran scandisk, all ok, no bad sectors,

> | > | nothing.

> | > | Any ideas how this could happen? Other prgs wont load, get message

> "error

> | > | '429'

> | > | activeX compone cant create object ". Any help appreciated.

> | >

>

May 11, 2008

Re: Missing prgs- files -updates

"PCR" wrote:

> Tom wrote:

> | Pentium 3. win98se. Prgs, data files, Win 98 & 98se updates, just

> | dissappeared from my hard drive. Ran scandisk, all ok, no bad sectors,

> | nothing.

>

> (1) Where were these items located before they disappeared--

> (a) All over the place?

> (b) In discrete folders in C:partition?

> © On a separate partition?

> (d) On a separate computer to which you connect

> through file sharing?

>

> (2) If in a discrete location, did everything there disappear,

> or did some of it survive?

>

> (3) Did anything happen before they disappeared--

> (a) A crash?

> (b) A big install or uninstall?

> © Were you online when it happened?

PCR

One large physical hard drive, partitioned into three,C:, D:, and E:.

All missing on D:, One prg and all the data for it in about eight different

folders and all of the win98 and win 98se updates in one folder. GONE?

The prg with the activeX thing has been reinstalled and running.

>

> | Any ideas how this could happen? Other prgs wont load, get message

> | "error '429'

> | activeX compone cant create object ". Any help appreciated.

>

> ActiveX ususally is involved when accessing remote locations on the NET.

> Are you online at the time & trying to access files in a shared folder?

>

> (1) Maybe update your virus defs & run a scan.

> (2) Can it be one of these doing it...?...

>

> MS05-026: A vulnerability in HTML Help could allow remote code execution

> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/892675/en-us

> Certain Web sites and HTML Help features may not work after you install

> security update 896358 or security update 890175

>

> (3) Close all open programs, then...

> "START button, Run, DXDiag"

> That is the DirectX Diagnostic Tool. Does it have a message?

>

> --

> Thanks or Good Luck,

> There may be humor in this post, and,

> Naturally, you will not sue,

> Should things get worse after this,

> PCR

> pcrrcp@netzero.net

>

May 11, 2008

Re: Missing prgs- files -updates

Doesn't seem to be any rhyme nor reason, then it's probably due to the file

system getting majorly corrupted. Only thing to do is find someone who can

rebuild FATs by hand (I know one such person in South Africa), or run that

disk by some data recovery software. The routine is:

1. Pull the plug on the machine, don't start it again until this is over.

Every moment that machine is on is a moment it could be overwriting your

data with new stuff, making the old stuff hard or impossible to recover.

2a. Take the hard drive out of the machine and take it to a pro to recover

your data.

2b. Spend a couple of hundred dollars or more for DECENT recovery software

(there's a lot of crap out there -- I use RTT), install it on someone else's

machine (or another of your own if you're so fortunate), install the problem

hard drive to that machine, and do the recovery.

2b addendum: Since the problem MIGHT have been caused by a virus (I don't

think so, but you never know), the BEST thing would be to build an entirely

new system to do the above, making sure to load it with good AV software.

Then, when the data recovery is done, destroy that system using a full

reformat, perhaps repartitioning it first and even running a wipe program on

it from a protected floppy boot or CD

3. After putting that hard drive back into the problem machine, you may need

to reinstall/repair some applications and even an OS or two, and the first

thing I'd do is to restore a Registry backup. Has anyone told you how to do

that yet?

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/896358/en-us

"Tom" <Tom@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:736F4EEF-3A55-4EC0-8491-F6906864B3A8@microsoft.com...

>

> "PCR" wrote:

>

>> Tom wrote:

>> | Pentium 3. win98se. Prgs, data files, Win 98 & 98se updates, just

>> | dissappeared from my hard drive. Ran scandisk, all ok, no bad sectors,

>> | nothing.

>>

>> (1) Where were these items located before they disappeared--

>> (a) All over the place?

>> (b) In discrete folders in C:partition?

>> © On a separate partition?

>> (d) On a separate computer to which you connect

>> through file sharing?

>>

>> (2) If in a discrete location, did everything there disappear,

>> or did some of it survive?

>>

>> (3) Did anything happen before they disappeared--

>> (a) A crash?

>> (b) A big install or uninstall?

>> © Were you online when it happened?

>

> PCR

> One large physical hard drive, partitioned into three,C:, D:, and E:.

> All missing on D:, One prg and all the data for it in about eight

> different

> folders and all of the win98 and win 98se updates in one folder. GONE?

>

> The prg with the activeX thing has been reinstalled and running.

>

>>

>> | Any ideas how this could happen? Other prgs wont load, get message

>> | "error '429'

>> | activeX compone cant create object ". Any help appreciated.

>>

>> ActiveX ususally is involved when accessing remote locations on the NET.

>> Are you online at the time & trying to access files in a shared folder?

>>

>> (1) Maybe update your virus defs & run a scan.

>> (2) Can it be one of these doing it...?...

>>

>> MS05-026: A vulnerability in HTML Help could allow remote code execution

>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/892675/en-us

>> Certain Web sites and HTML Help features may not work after you install

>> security update 896358 or security update 890175

>>

>> (3) Close all open programs, then...

>> "START button, Run, DXDiag"

>> That is the DirectX Diagnostic Tool. Does it have a message?

>>

>> --

>> Thanks or Good Luck,

>> There may be humor in this post, and,

>> Naturally, you will not sue,

>> Should things get worse after this,

>> PCR

>> pcrrcp@netzero.net

>>

May 11, 2008

Re: Missing prgs- files -updates

I'm going with you on this one, the new information [which I failed to ask

for, my mistake] indicates apparent corruption of the partition/drive.

No one has indicated how to restore the registry, but that information may

be useless until after the recovery of the partition/drive.

--

--

_________

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

news:exUsz04sIHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

| Doesn't seem to be any rhyme nor reason, then it's probably due to the

file

| system getting majorly corrupted. Only thing to do is find someone who can

| rebuild FATs by hand (I know one such person in South Africa), or run that

| disk by some data recovery software. The routine is:

|

| 1. Pull the plug on the machine, don't start it again until this is over.

| Every moment that machine is on is a moment it could be overwriting your

| data with new stuff, making the old stuff hard or impossible to recover.

|

| 2a. Take the hard drive out of the machine and take it to a pro to recover

| your data.

|

| 2b. Spend a couple of hundred dollars or more for DECENT recovery software

| (there's a lot of crap out there -- I use RTT), install it on someone

else's

| machine (or another of your own if you're so fortunate), install the

problem

| hard drive to that machine, and do the recovery.

|

| 2b addendum: Since the problem MIGHT have been caused by a virus (I don't

| think so, but you never know), the BEST thing would be to build an

entirely

| new system to do the above, making sure to load it with good AV software.

| Then, when the data recovery is done, destroy that system using a full

| reformat, perhaps repartitioning it first and even running a wipe program

on

| it from a protected floppy boot or CD

|

| 3. After putting that hard drive back into the problem machine, you may

need

| to reinstall/repair some applications and even an OS or two, and the first

| thing I'd do is to restore a Registry backup. Has anyone told you how to

do

| that yet?

|

| --

| Gary S. Terhune

| MS-MVP Shell/User

|

| "Tom" <Tom@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

| news:736F4EEF-3A55-4EC0-8491-F6906864B3A8@microsoft.com...

| >

| > "PCR" wrote:

| >

| >> Tom wrote:

| >> | Pentium 3. win98se. Prgs, data files, Win 98 & 98se updates, just

| >> | dissappeared from my hard drive. Ran scandisk, all ok, no bad

sectors,

| >> | nothing.

| >>

| >> (1) Where were these items located before they disappeared--

| >> (a) All over the place?

| >> (b) In discrete folders in C:partition?

| >> © On a separate partition?

| >> (d) On a separate computer to which you connect

| >> through file sharing?

| >>

| >> (2) If in a discrete location, did everything there disappear,

| >> or did some of it survive?

| >>

| >> (3) Did anything happen before they disappeared--

| >> (a) A crash?

| >> (b) A big install or uninstall?

| >> © Were you online when it happened?

| >

| > PCR

| > One large physical hard drive, partitioned into three,C:, D:, and E:.

| > All missing on D:, One prg and all the data for it in about eight

| > different

| > folders and all of the win98 and win 98se updates in one folder. GONE?

| >

| > The prg with the activeX thing has been reinstalled and running.

| >

| >>

| >> | Any ideas how this could happen? Other prgs wont load, get message

| >> | "error '429'

| >> | activeX compone cant create object ". Any help appreciated.

| >>

| >> ActiveX ususally is involved when accessing remote locations on the

NET.

| >> Are you online at the time & trying to access files in a shared folder?

| >>

| >> (1) Maybe update your virus defs & run a scan.

| >> (2) Can it be one of these doing it...?...

| >>

| >> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/896358/en-us

| >> MS05-026: A vulnerability in HTML Help could allow remote code

execution

| >> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/892675/en-us

| >> Certain Web sites and HTML Help features may not work after you install

| >> security update 896358 or security update 890175

| >>

| >> (3) Close all open programs, then...

| >> "START button, Run, DXDiag"

| >> That is the DirectX Diagnostic Tool. Does it have a message?

| >>

| >> --

| >> Thanks or Good Luck,

| >> There may be humor in this post, and,

| >> Naturally, you will not sue,

| >> Should things get worse after this,

| >> PCR

| >> pcrrcp@netzero.net

| >>

|

May 11, 2008

Re: Missing prgs- files -updates

The need for a Registry Restore is not clear, I'd just do it on GP.

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:%23yZswQ5sIHA.2064@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> I'm going with you on this one, the new information [which I failed to ask

> for, my mistake] indicates apparent corruption of the partition/drive.

>

> No one has indicated how to restore the registry, but that information may

> be useless until after the recovery of the partition/drive.

>

> --

> --

> _________

>

> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

> news:exUsz04sIHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> | Doesn't seem to be any rhyme nor reason, then it's probably due to the

> file

> | system getting majorly corrupted. Only thing to do is find someone who

> can

> | rebuild FATs by hand (I know one such person in South Africa), or run

> that

> | disk by some data recovery software. The routine is:

> |

> | 1. Pull the plug on the machine, don't start it again until this is

> over.

> | Every moment that machine is on is a moment it could be overwriting your

> | data with new stuff, making the old stuff hard or impossible to recover.

> |

> | 2a. Take the hard drive out of the machine and take it to a pro to

> recover

> | your data.

> |

> | 2b. Spend a couple of hundred dollars or more for DECENT recovery

> software

> | (there's a lot of crap out there -- I use RTT), install it on someone

> else's

> | machine (or another of your own if you're so fortunate), install the

> problem

> | hard drive to that machine, and do the recovery.

> |

> | 2b addendum: Since the problem MIGHT have been caused by a virus (I

> don't

> | think so, but you never know), the BEST thing would be to build an

> entirely

> | new system to do the above, making sure to load it with good AV

> software.

> | Then, when the data recovery is done, destroy that system using a full

> | reformat, perhaps repartitioning it first and even running a wipe

> program

> on

> | it from a protected floppy boot or CD

> |

> | 3. After putting that hard drive back into the problem machine, you may

> need

> | to reinstall/repair some applications and even an OS or two, and the

> first

> | thing I'd do is to restore a Registry backup. Has anyone told you how to

> do

> | that yet?

> |

> | --

> | Gary S. Terhune

> | MS-MVP Shell/User

> | http://www.grystmill.com

> |

> | "Tom" <Tom@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> | news:736F4EEF-3A55-4EC0-8491-F6906864B3A8@microsoft.com...

> | >

> | > "PCR" wrote:

> | >

> | >> Tom wrote:

> | >> | Pentium 3. win98se. Prgs, data files, Win 98 & 98se updates,

> just

> | >> | dissappeared from my hard drive. Ran scandisk, all ok, no bad

> sectors,

> | >> | nothing.

> | >>

> | >> (1) Where were these items located before they disappeared--

> | >> (a) All over the place?

> | >> (b) In discrete folders in C:partition?

> | >> © On a separate partition?

> | >> (d) On a separate computer to which you connect

> | >> through file sharing?

> | >>

> | >> (2) If in a discrete location, did everything there disappear,

> | >> or did some of it survive?

> | >>

> | >> (3) Did anything happen before they disappeared--

> | >> (a) A crash?

> | >> (b) A big install or uninstall?

> | >> © Were you online when it happened?

> | >

> | > PCR

> | > One large physical hard drive, partitioned into three,C:, D:, and E:.

> | > All missing on D:, One prg and all the data for it in about eight

> | > different

> | > folders and all of the win98 and win 98se updates in one folder.

> GONE?

> | >

> | > The prg with the activeX thing has been reinstalled and running.

> | >

> | >>

> | >> | Any ideas how this could happen? Other prgs wont load, get message

> | >> | "error '429'

> | >> | activeX compone cant create object ". Any help appreciated.

> | >>

> | >> ActiveX ususally is involved when accessing remote locations on the

> NET.

> | >> Are you online at the time & trying to access files in a shared

> folder?

> | >>

> | >> (1) Maybe update your virus defs & run a scan.

> | >> (2) Can it be one of these doing it...?...

> | >>

> | >> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/896358/en-us

> | >> MS05-026: A vulnerability in HTML Help could allow remote code

> execution

> | >> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/892675/en-us

> | >> Certain Web sites and HTML Help features may not work after you

> install

> | >> security update 896358 or security update 890175

> | >>

> | >> (3) Close all open programs, then...

> | >> "START button, Run, DXDiag"

> | >> That is the DirectX Diagnostic Tool. Does it have a message?

> | >>

> | >> --

> | >> Thanks or Good Luck,

> | >> There may be humor in this post, and,

> | >> Naturally, you will not sue,

> | >> Should things get worse after this,

> | >> PCR

> | >> pcrrcp@netzero.net

> | >>

> |

>

May 11, 2008

Re: Missing prgs- files -updates

The way I read this, what you lost was partition D:\ and nothing more?

Am I right?

Only data from D:\ and, the way you describe it, ALL of the data from D:\?

Is D:\ visible in Windows Explorer? Is anything in it? Have you put anything

in it since the "Event"?

Suggest you stop trying to fix things (reinstalling programs, etc.) until

you figure out what the problem is. Unless you don't care about any of that

lost data. Best thing to do is leave the machine unplugged. As for data

recovery, that can be done, but it does involve cost and I want to see if I

can't get the attention of a colleague or two who might have sweeter

answers. But first, please answer the above questions.

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/896358/en-us

"Tom" <Tom@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:736F4EEF-3A55-4EC0-8491-F6906864B3A8@microsoft.com...

>

> "PCR" wrote:

>

>> Tom wrote:

>> | Pentium 3. win98se. Prgs, data files, Win 98 & 98se updates, just

>> | dissappeared from my hard drive. Ran scandisk, all ok, no bad sectors,

>> | nothing.

>>

>> (1) Where were these items located before they disappeared--

>> (a) All over the place?

>> (b) In discrete folders in C:partition?

>> © On a separate partition?

>> (d) On a separate computer to which you connect

>> through file sharing?

>>

>> (2) If in a discrete location, did everything there disappear,

>> or did some of it survive?

>>

>> (3) Did anything happen before they disappeared--

>> (a) A crash?

>> (b) A big install or uninstall?

>> © Were you online when it happened?

>

> PCR

> One large physical hard drive, partitioned into three,C:, D:, and E:.

> All missing on D:, One prg and all the data for it in about eight

> different

> folders and all of the win98 and win 98se updates in one folder. GONE?

>

> The prg with the activeX thing has been reinstalled and running.

>

>>

>> | Any ideas how this could happen? Other prgs wont load, get message

>> | "error '429'

>> | activeX compone cant create object ". Any help appreciated.

>>

>> ActiveX ususally is involved when accessing remote locations on the NET.

>> Are you online at the time & trying to access files in a shared folder?

>>

>> (1) Maybe update your virus defs & run a scan.

>> (2) Can it be one of these doing it...?...

>>

>> MS05-026: A vulnerability in HTML Help could allow remote code execution

>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/892675/en-us

>> Certain Web sites and HTML Help features may not work after you install

>> security update 896358 or security update 890175

>>

>> (3) Close all open programs, then...

>> "START button, Run, DXDiag"

>> That is the DirectX Diagnostic Tool. Does it have a message?

>>

>> --

>> Thanks or Good Luck,

>> There may be humor in this post, and,

>> Naturally, you will not sue,

>> Should things get worse after this,

>> PCR

>> pcrrcp@netzero.net

>>

May 12, 2008

Re: Missing prgs- files -updates

Gary S. Terhune wrote:

| This last post of yours, PCR, should show you that your contention

| that "ActiveX usually is involved when accessing remote locations on

| the NET," is at best misleading. None of those errors involve the

| internet. Best do some reading up. Lots of ActiveX in Office apps and

| HTML Help.

I believe you do have a point there. Thanks. I don't have MS Office

(only MS Works) & failed to immediately think of it. Also, the first

articles I did read did mentioned the NET...

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/896358/en-us

MS05-026: A vulnerability in HTML Help could allow remote code execution

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/892675/en-us

Certain Web sites and HTML Help features may not work after you install

security update 896358 or security update 890175

But you are right about that, Terhune, thanks.

(I'm afraid I don't fully comprehend ActiveX. But I'm willing to study

any specific article of those trillion on the NET-- if Tom can say it

seems to apply to his situation!)

| --

| Gary S. Terhune

| MS-MVP Shell/User

|> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=activex+component+error+429

|

| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

| news:eIA1QfwsIHA.5872@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

|> Tom wrote:

|> | Pentium 3. win98se. Prgs, data files, Win 98 & 98se updates,

|> | just dissappeared from my hard drive. Ran scandisk, all ok, no bad

|> | sectors, nothing.

|> | Any ideas how this could happen? Other prgs wont load, get message

|> | "error '429'

|> | activeX compone cant create object ". Any help appreciated.

|>

|> Here is more on 429 errors. Read through some & get back with any

|> further questions...

|>

|> Google has a ton for it. Following is the 1st it came up with.

|>

|> http://www.colba.net/~hlebo49/er429.htm

|> 429 - Errors

|>

|> --

|> Thanks or Good Luck,

|> There may be humor in this post, and,

|> Naturally, you will not sue,

|> Should things get worse after this,

|> PCR

|> pcrrcp@netzero.net

--

Thanks or Good Luck,

There may be humor in this post, and,

Naturally, you will not sue,

Should things get worse after this,

PCR

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Kaus/homepage.htm

May 12, 2008

Re: Missing prgs- files -updates

Tom wrote:

| "PCR" wrote:

|

|> Tom wrote:

|> | Pentium 3. win98se. Prgs, data files, Win 98 & 98se updates,

|> | just dissappeared from my hard drive. Ran scandisk, all ok, no bad

|> | sectors, nothing.

|>

|> (1) Where were these items located before they disappeared--

|> (a) All over the place?

|> (b) In discrete folders in C:partition?

|> © On a separate partition?

|> (d) On a separate computer to which you connect

|> through file sharing?

|>

|> (2) If in a discrete location, did everything there disappear,

|> or did some of it survive?

|>

|> (3) Did anything happen before they disappeared--

|> (a) A crash?

|> (b) A big install or uninstall?

|> © Were you online when it happened?

|

| PCR

| One large physical hard drive, partitioned into three,C:, D:, and E:.

| All missing on D:, One prg and all the data for it in about eight

| different folders and all of the win98 and win 98se updates in one

| folder. GONE?

Was there anything else on D:partition that did survive, or are you left

with an empty partition? Is D:partition a normal one, or was it

compressed? If normal, try one of these to recover a deleted file...

Recover For All

http://hccweb1.bai.ne.jp/~hcj58401/ Undelete

http://www.briggsoft.com/dsnoop.htm DSnoop Undelete

http://www.pcinspector.de/file_recovery/uk/welcome.htm Undelete

http://www.snapfiles.com/get/restoration.html Restoration

http://aumha.org/downloads/restoration.exe Also Restoration

The one I use is Restoration, but the others also have been said to be

good at this NG. The more you write to D:partition, the less likely you

will get a deleted file back. After a file is deleted, the space

occupied by the file can freely be used by the system. As soon as

something overwrites it, the file is truly gone. Also, running a Defrag

(but not a Scandisk) appears to make them truly disappear.

| The prg with the activeX thing has been reinstalled and running.

Was that the program that went missing on D:partition? And the ActiveX

error messages are gone now that you've reinstalled it? If not, click

through some of that Google search I posted for an article that seems

best to describe your circumstance. We may be able to help you decipher

it. What is the program you reinstalled?

|>

|> | Any ideas how this could happen? Other prgs wont load, get message

|> | "error '429'

|> | activeX compone cant create object ". Any help appreciated.

|>

|> ActiveX ususally is involved when accessing remote locations on the

|> NET. Are you online at the time & trying to access files in a shared

|> folder?

|>

|> (1) Maybe update your virus defs & run a scan.

|> (2) Can it be one of these doing it...?...

|>

|> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/896358/en-us

|> MS05-026: A vulnerability in HTML Help could allow remote code

|> execution http://support.microsoft.com/kb/892675/en-us

|> Certain Web sites and HTML Help features may not work after you

|> install security update 896358 or security update 890175

|>

|> (3) Close all open programs, then...

|> "START button, Run, DXDiag"

|> That is the DirectX Diagnostic Tool. Does it have a message?

|>

|> --

|> Thanks or Good Luck,

|> There may be humor in this post, and,

|> Naturally, you will not sue,

|> Should things get worse after this,

|> PCR

|> pcrrcp@netzero.net

--

Thanks or Good Luck,

There may be humor in this post, and,

Naturally, you will not sue,

Should things get worse after this,

PCR

May 12, 2008

Re: Missing prgs- files -updates

It's a REALLY good idea not to do ANYTHING with that machine until you

understand the full extent of the problem. If it's a case of a whole

partition suddenly disappearing, that's a specific hint that might point to

an easier, simpler solution. If all the missing data was on D:\ but some

remains, and the partition is usable, that's another problem entirely. And

if it involves more than one partition, yet another whole panoply of

possibilities emerges.

I've politely requested the presence of Mr. Quirke, but he'll want the

answers to the questions we've posed.

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

> http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Kaus/homepage.htm

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

news:eXspy$8sIHA.4376@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> Tom wrote:

> | "PCR" wrote:

> |

> |> Tom wrote:

> |> | Pentium 3. win98se. Prgs, data files, Win 98 & 98se updates,

> |> | just dissappeared from my hard drive. Ran scandisk, all ok, no bad

> |> | sectors, nothing.

> |>

> |> (1) Where were these items located before they disappeared--

> |> (a) All over the place?

> |> (b) In discrete folders in C:partition?

> |> © On a separate partition?

> |> (d) On a separate computer to which you connect

> |> through file sharing?

> |>

> |> (2) If in a discrete location, did everything there disappear,

> |> or did some of it survive?

> |>

> |> (3) Did anything happen before they disappeared--

> |> (a) A crash?

> |> (b) A big install or uninstall?

> |> © Were you online when it happened?

> |

> | PCR

> | One large physical hard drive, partitioned into three,C:, D:, and E:.

> | All missing on D:, One prg and all the data for it in about eight

> | different folders and all of the win98 and win 98se updates in one

> | folder. GONE?

>

> Was there anything else on D:partition that did survive, or are you left

> with an empty partition? Is D:partition a normal one, or was it

> compressed? If normal, try one of these to recover a deleted file...

>

> Recover For All

> http://hccweb1.bai.ne.jp/~hcj58401/ Undelete

> http://www.briggsoft.com/dsnoop.htm DSnoop Undelete

> http://www.pcinspector.de/file_recovery/uk/welcome.htm Undelete

> http://www.snapfiles.com/get/restoration.html Restoration

> http://aumha.org/downloads/restoration.exe Also Restoration

>

> The one I use is Restoration, but the others also have been said to be

> good at this NG. The more you write to D:partition, the less likely you

> will get a deleted file back. After a file is deleted, the space

> occupied by the file can freely be used by the system. As soon as

> something overwrites it, the file is truly gone. Also, running a Defrag

> (but not a Scandisk) appears to make them truly disappear.

>

> | The prg with the activeX thing has been reinstalled and running.

>

> Was that the program that went missing on D:partition? And the ActiveX

> error messages are gone now that you've reinstalled it? If not, click

> through some of that Google search I posted for an article that seems

> best to describe your circumstance. We may be able to help you decipher

> it. What is the program you reinstalled?

>

> |>

> |> | Any ideas how this could happen? Other prgs wont load, get message

> |> | "error '429'

> |> | activeX compone cant create object ". Any help appreciated.

> |>

> |> ActiveX ususally is involved when accessing remote locations on the

> |> NET. Are you online at the time & trying to access files in a shared

> |> folder?

> |>

> |> (1) Maybe update your virus defs & run a scan.

> |> (2) Can it be one of these doing it...?...

> |>

> |> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/896358/en-us

> |> MS05-026: A vulnerability in HTML Help could allow remote code

> |> execution http://support.microsoft.com/kb/892675/en-us

> |> Certain Web sites and HTML Help features may not work after you

> |> install security update 896358 or security update 890175

> |>

> |> (3) Close all open programs, then...

> |> "START button, Run, DXDiag"

> |> That is the DirectX Diagnostic Tool. Does it have a message?

> |>

> |> --

> |> Thanks or Good Luck,

> |> There may be humor in this post, and,

> |> Naturally, you will not sue,

> |> Should things get worse after this,

> |> PCR

> |> pcrrcp@netzero.net

>

> --

> Thanks or Good Luck,

> There may be humor in this post, and,

> Naturally, you will not sue,

> Should things get worse after this,

> PCR

> pcrrcp@netzero.net

>

May 12, 2008

Re: Missing prgs- files -updates

Gary S. Terhune wrote:

| It's a REALLY good idea not to do ANYTHING with that machine until you

| understand the full extent of the problem. If it's a case of a whole

| partition suddenly disappearing, that's a specific hint that might

| point to an easier, simpler solution. If all the missing data was on

| D:\ but some remains, and the partition is usable, that's another

| problem entirely. And if it involves more than one partition, yet

| another whole panoply of possibilities emerges.

|

| I've politely requested the presence of Mr. Quirke, but he'll want the

| answers to the questions we've posed.

Alright. I agree all of the questions should be answered, before

anything more is done to that partition at least. And Chris Quirke could

be the best to solve it, after the answers are received.

| --

| Gary S. Terhune

| MS-MVP Shell/User

|> http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Kaus/homepage.htm

|

| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

| news:eXspy$8sIHA.4376@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

|> Tom wrote:

|> | "PCR" wrote:

|> |

|> |> Tom wrote:

|> |> | Pentium 3. win98se. Prgs, data files, Win 98 & 98se updates,

|> |> | just dissappeared from my hard drive. Ran scandisk, all ok, no

|> |> | bad sectors, nothing.

|> |>

|> |> (1) Where were these items located before they disappeared--

|> |> (a) All over the place?

|> |> (b) In discrete folders in C:partition?

|> |> © On a separate partition?

|> |> (d) On a separate computer to which you connect

|> |> through file sharing?

|> |>

|> |> (2) If in a discrete location, did everything there disappear,

|> |> or did some of it survive?

|> |>

|> |> (3) Did anything happen before they disappeared--

|> |> (a) A crash?

|> |> (b) A big install or uninstall?

|> |> © Were you online when it happened?

|> |

|> | PCR

|> | One large physical hard drive, partitioned into three,C:, D:, and

|> | E:. All missing on D:, One prg and all the data for it in about

|> | eight different folders and all of the win98 and win 98se updates

|> | in one folder. GONE?

|>

|> Was there anything else on D:partition that did survive, or are you

|> left with an empty partition? Is D:partition a normal one, or was it

|> compressed? If normal, try one of these to recover a deleted file...

|>

|> Recover For All

|> http://hccweb1.bai.ne.jp/~hcj58401/ Undelete

|> http://www.briggsoft.com/dsnoop.htm DSnoop Undelete

|> http://www.pcinspector.de/file_recovery/uk/welcome.htm Undelete

|> http://www.snapfiles.com/get/restoration.html Restoration

|> http://aumha.org/downloads/restoration.exe Also Restoration

|>

|> The one I use is Restoration, but the others also have been said to

|> be good at this NG. The more you write to D:partition, the less

|> likely you will get a deleted file back. After a file is deleted,

|> the space occupied by the file can freely be used by the system. As

|> soon as something overwrites it, the file is truly gone. Also,

|> running a Defrag (but not a Scandisk) appears to make them truly

|> disappear.

|>

|> | The prg with the activeX thing has been reinstalled and running.

|>

|> Was that the program that went missing on D:partition? And the

|> ActiveX error messages are gone now that you've reinstalled it? If

|> not, click through some of that Google search I posted for an

|> article that seems best to describe your circumstance. We may be

|> able to help you decipher it. What is the program you reinstalled?

|>

|> |>

|> |> | Any ideas how this could happen? Other prgs wont load, get

|> |> | message "error '429'

|> |> | activeX compone cant create object ". Any help appreciated.

|> |>

|> |> ActiveX ususally is involved when accessing remote locations on

|> |> the NET. Are you online at the time & trying to access files in a

|> |> shared folder?

|> |>

|> |> (1) Maybe update your virus defs & run a scan.

|> |> (2) Can it be one of these doing it...?...

|> |>

|> |> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/896358/en-us

|> |> MS05-026: A vulnerability in HTML Help could allow remote code

|> |> execution http://support.microsoft.com/kb/892675/en-us

|> |> Certain Web sites and HTML Help features may not work after you

|> |> install security update 896358 or security update 890175

|> |>

|> |> (3) Close all open programs, then...

|> |> "START button, Run, DXDiag"

|> |> That is the DirectX Diagnostic Tool. Does it have a message?

|> |>

|> |> --

|> |> Thanks or Good Luck,

|> |> There may be humor in this post, and,

|> |> Naturally, you will not sue,

|> |> Should things get worse after this,

|> |> PCR

|> |> pcrrcp@netzero.net

|>

|> --

|> Thanks or Good Luck,

|> There may be humor in this post, and,

|> Naturally, you will not sue,

|> Should things get worse after this,

|> PCR

|> pcrrcp@netzero.net

--

Thanks or Good Luck,

There may be humor in this post, and,

Naturally, you will not sue,

Should things get worse after this,

PCR

May 12, 2008

Re: Missing prgs- files -updates

Okay, your first post was three days ago, so potentially you now have three

more saved registries to contend with if you shut down and restarted the

target computer during those three days.

The standard way is to use the DOS prompt, which you get to by rapidly

pressing F8 during bootup, immediately after the POST/BIOS readout screen.

From the menu select DOS Prompt only, type ScanReg /restore and choose the

entry from BEFORE the issue. Your problem MAY be that you have no idea which

one to use. IF the computer boots normally [except for being unable to see

the files] AND you have done the file viewing changes, start Explorer, open

the Windows folder and go here and look for these files and their dates:

C:\WINDOWS\SYSBCKUP\rb002.cab

C:\WINDOWS\SYSBCKUP\rb001.cab

C:\WINDOWS\SYSBCKUP\rb000.cab

C:\WINDOWS\SYSBCKUP\rb003.cab

C:\WINDOWS\SYSBCKUP\rb004.cab

C:\WINDOWS\SYSBCKUP\rbbad.cab

Choose the one, *by date*, from before the issue appeared, >make note of

the rb00*<, that is the one you will TRY to revert too. HOWEVER, let me

backup here,, new information you posted suggests this:

Did you run scandisk yet? I note in your reply to PCR that one entire

partition is missing {or just one partition is affected}- drive D, Sorry,

that is generally a question I should have asked in the first posting. my

error.. This appears to indicate an issue with the MBR/partition table or

fat corruption issue.

You HAVE run checks on the drives/partitions using Anti-Virus and SpyWare

checking tools in addition to scandisk, is that correct?.IF NOT then do so

now, starting with scandisk [do not let it correct anything, post log

results of any errors found].

From the DOS prompt type > fdisk /status and post the results.

--

--

_________

"Tom" <Tom@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:037834E3-C41E-4672-90BF-64671D24FB71@microsoft.com...

|

| "MEB" wrote:

|

| > Right, I guess I should have made that a bit clearer:

| >

| > | > IF the computer starts, can you use Explorer to look at the disk,

you

| > must

| > | > have Settings > Folder Options > View > Hidden Files - Show all

files,

| > checked/ticked

| >

|

| MEB

| You might try reverting to a previous registry [one that worked] from

| before this issue started.

| How do I locate a previous registry? I can

| remember backing up the registry but to where?

|

| | >

| > AND

| > | > Hide file extensions for know types UNCHECKED,

| >

| > ; to view hidden folder and

| > | > files.

| >

| > --

| > --

| > _________

| >

| > "Tom" <Tom@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

| > news:44D48AAE-BDC8-4475-9F1E-59D987813304@microsoft.com...

| > |

| > | "MEB" wrote:

| > |

| > | > Hmm, not much to work with, but did you run any Anti-virus and

SpyWare

| > | > testing programs?

| > | >

| > | > Is this computer part of a network [other than the Internet]? No.

| > | >

| > | > You might try reverting to a previous registry [one that worked]

from

| > before

| > | > this issue started. How do I locate a previous registry? I can

| > remember backing up the registry but to where?

| > | >

| > | > IF the computer starts, can you use Explorer to look at the disk,

you

| > must

| > | > have Settings > Folder Options > View > Hidden Files - Show all

files,

| > and

| > | > Hide file extensions for know types UNCHECKED, to view hidden folder

and

| > | > files.

| > | > MEB You mean to check view hidden folder and files.

| > | >

| > | > --

| > | > --

| > | > _________

| > | >

| > | > "Tom" <Tom@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

| > | > news:202A4B66-1116-47FE-AE1A-6A2E43A8E1C7@microsoft.com...

| > | > | Pentium 3. win98se. Prgs, data files, Win 98 & 98se updates,

just

| > | > | dissappeared from my hard drive. Ran scandisk, all ok, no bad

sectors,

| > | > | nothing.

| > | > | Any ideas how this could happen? Other prgs wont load, get message

| > "error

| > | > | '429'

| > | > | activeX compone cant create object ". Any help appreciated.

| > | >

| >

May 12, 2008

Re: Missing prgs- files -updates

To repeat from a sub-thread below::

It's a REALLY good idea not to do ANYTHING with that machine until you

understand the full extent of the problem. If it's a case of a whole

partition suddenly disappearing, that's a specific hint that might point to

an easier, simpler solution. If all the missing data was on D:\ but some

remains, and the partition is usable, that's another problem entirely. And

if it involves more than one partition, yet another whole panoply of

possibilities emerges.

I've politely requested the presence of Mr. Quirke, but he'll want the

answers to the questions we've posed.

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:ewjj6gAtIHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> Okay, your first post was three days ago, so potentially you now have

> three

> more saved registries to contend with if you shut down and restarted the

> target computer during those three days.

>

> The standard way is to use the DOS prompt, which you get to by rapidly

> pressing F8 during bootup, immediately after the POST/BIOS readout screen.

>

> From the menu select DOS Prompt only, type ScanReg /restore and choose the

> entry from BEFORE the issue. Your problem MAY be that you have no idea

> which

> one to use. IF the computer boots normally [except for being unable to see

> the files] AND you have done the file viewing changes, start Explorer,

> open

> the Windows folder and go here and look for these files and their dates:

> C:\WINDOWS\SYSBCKUP\rb002.cab

> C:\WINDOWS\SYSBCKUP\rb001.cab

> C:\WINDOWS\SYSBCKUP\rb000.cab

> C:\WINDOWS\SYSBCKUP\rb003.cab

> C:\WINDOWS\SYSBCKUP\rb004.cab

> C:\WINDOWS\SYSBCKUP\rbbad.cab

>

> Choose the one, *by date*, from before the issue appeared, >make note of

> the rb00*<, that is the one you will TRY to revert too. HOWEVER, let me

> backup here,, new information you posted suggests this:

>

> Did you run scandisk yet? I note in your reply to PCR that one entire

> partition is missing {or just one partition is affected}- drive D, Sorry,

> that is generally a question I should have asked in the first posting. my

> error.. This appears to indicate an issue with the MBR/partition table or

> fat corruption issue.

> You HAVE run checks on the drives/partitions using Anti-Virus and SpyWare

> checking tools in addition to scandisk, is that correct?.IF NOT then do so

> now, starting with scandisk [do not let it correct anything, post log

> results of any errors found].

>

> From the DOS prompt type > fdisk /status and post the results.

>

> --

> --

> _________

>

> "Tom" <Tom@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:037834E3-C41E-4672-90BF-64671D24FB71@microsoft.com...

> |

> | "MEB" wrote:

> |

> | > Right, I guess I should have made that a bit clearer:

> | >

> | > | > IF the computer starts, can you use Explorer to look at the disk,

> you

> | > must

> | > | > have Settings > Folder Options > View > Hidden Files - Show all

> files,

> | > checked/ticked

> | >

> |

> | MEB

> | You might try reverting to a previous registry [one that worked] from

> | before this issue started.

> | How do I locate a previous registry? I can

> | remember backing up the registry but to where?

> |

> | | >

> | > AND

> | > | > Hide file extensions for know types UNCHECKED,

> | >

> | > ; to view hidden folder and

> | > | > files.

> | >

> | > --

> | > --

> | > _________

> | >

> | > "Tom" <Tom@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> | > news:44D48AAE-BDC8-4475-9F1E-59D987813304@microsoft.com...

> | > |

> | > | "MEB" wrote:

> | > |

> | > | > Hmm, not much to work with, but did you run any Anti-virus and

> SpyWare

> | > | > testing programs?

> | > | >

> | > | > Is this computer part of a network [other than the Internet]?

> No.

> | > | >

> | > | > You might try reverting to a previous registry [one that worked]

> from

> | > before

> | > | > this issue started. How do I locate a previous registry? I can

> | > remember backing up the registry but to where?

> | > | >

> | > | > IF the computer starts, can you use Explorer to look at the disk,

> you

> | > must

> | > | > have Settings > Folder Options > View > Hidden Files - Show all

> files,

> | > and

> | > | > Hide file extensions for know types UNCHECKED, to view hidden

> folder

> and

> | > | > files.

> | > | > MEB You mean to check view hidden folder and files.

> | > | >

> | > | > --

> | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

> | > | > --

> | > | > _________

> | > | >

> | > | > "Tom" <Tom@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> | > | > news:202A4B66-1116-47FE-AE1A-6A2E43A8E1C7@microsoft.com...

> | > | > | Pentium 3. win98se. Prgs, data files, Win 98 & 98se updates,

> just

> | > | > | dissappeared from my hard drive. Ran scandisk, all ok, no bad

> sectors,

> | > | > | nothing.

> | > | > | Any ideas how this could happen? Other prgs wont load, get

> message

> | > "error

> | > | > | '429'

> | > | > | activeX compone cant create object ". Any help appreciated.

> | > | >

> | >

>

May 12, 2008

Re: Missing prgs- files -updates

Gary, was just indicating what will help to diagnose due to the new

information.

Answers to whether scandisk, Anti-Virus, etc. were run PRIOR to cquirke's

entry may help. It is possible [as programs and installer files have gone

missing], that an EXE block/hack was done. Taken with the ActiveX corruption

[since fixed] would potentially indicate some form of hack. It would also be

prudent to know what was done prior to the poster noting the problem, such

as specific web page access/site, installation of some program, is a

torrent/P2P program used, etc.

fdisk /status check would provide information on what is seen by DOS, which

could be compared to Explorer's properties output..

But whatever, so is cquirke coming or not?

--

--

_________

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

news:%23SkGjPEtIHA.672@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

| To repeat from a sub-thread below::

|

| It's a REALLY good idea not to do ANYTHING with that machine until you

| understand the full extent of the problem. If it's a case of a whole

| partition suddenly disappearing, that's a specific hint that might point

to

| an easier, simpler solution. If all the missing data was on D:\ but some

| remains, and the partition is usable, that's another problem entirely. And

| if it involves more than one partition, yet another whole panoply of

| possibilities emerges.

|

| I've politely requested the presence of Mr. Quirke, but he'll want the

| answers to the questions we've posed.

|

| --

| Gary S. Terhune

| MS-MVP Shell/User

|

| "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

| news:ewjj6gAtIHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

| > Okay, your first post was three days ago, so potentially you now have

| > three

| > more saved registries to contend with if you shut down and restarted the

| > target computer during those three days.

| >

| > The standard way is to use the DOS prompt, which you get to by rapidly

| > pressing F8 during bootup, immediately after the POST/BIOS readout

screen.

| >

| > From the menu select DOS Prompt only, type ScanReg /restore and choose

the

| > entry from BEFORE the issue. Your problem MAY be that you have no idea

| > which

| > one to use. IF the computer boots normally [except for being unable to

see

| > the files] AND you have done the file viewing changes, start Explorer,

| > open

| > the Windows folder and go here and look for these files and their dates:

| > C:\WINDOWS\SYSBCKUP\rb002.cab

| > C:\WINDOWS\SYSBCKUP\rb001.cab

| > C:\WINDOWS\SYSBCKUP\rb000.cab

| > C:\WINDOWS\SYSBCKUP\rb003.cab

| > C:\WINDOWS\SYSBCKUP\rb004.cab

| > C:\WINDOWS\SYSBCKUP\rbbad.cab

| >

| > Choose the one, *by date*, from before the issue appeared, >make note

of

| > the rb00*<, that is the one you will TRY to revert too. HOWEVER, let me

| > backup here,, new information you posted suggests this:

| >

| > Did you run scandisk yet? I note in your reply to PCR that one entire

| > partition is missing {or just one partition is affected}- drive D,

Sorry,

| > that is generally a question I should have asked in the first posting.

my

| > error.. This appears to indicate an issue with the MBR/partition table

or

| > fat corruption issue.

| > You HAVE run checks on the drives/partitions using Anti-Virus and

SpyWare

| > checking tools in addition to scandisk, is that correct?.IF NOT then do

so

| > now, starting with scandisk [do not let it correct anything, post log

| > results of any errors found].

| >

| > From the DOS prompt type > fdisk /status and post the results.

| >

| > --

| > --

| > _________

| >

| > "Tom" <Tom@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

| > news:037834E3-C41E-4672-90BF-64671D24FB71@microsoft.com...

| > |

| > | "MEB" wrote:

| > |

| > | > Right, I guess I should have made that a bit clearer:

| > | >

| > | > | > IF the computer starts, can you use Explorer to look at the

disk,

| > you

| > | > must

| > | > | > have Settings > Folder Options > View > Hidden Files - Show all

| > files,

| > | > checked/ticked

| > | >

| > |

| > | MEB

| > | You might try reverting to a previous registry [one that worked] from

| > | before this issue started.

| > | How do I locate a previous registry? I can

| > | remember backing up the registry but to where?

| > |

| > | | >

| > | > AND

| > | > | > Hide file extensions for know types UNCHECKED,

| > | >

| > | > ; to view hidden folder and

| > | > | > files.

| > | >

| > | > --

| > | > --

| > | > _________

| > | >

| > | > "Tom" <Tom@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

| > | > news:44D48AAE-BDC8-4475-9F1E-59D987813304@microsoft.com...

| > | > |

| > | > | "MEB" wrote:

| > | > |

| > | > | > Hmm, not much to work with, but did you run any Anti-virus and

| > SpyWare

| > | > | > testing programs?

| > | > | >

| > | > | > Is this computer part of a network [other than the Internet]?

| > No.

| > | > | >

| > | > | > You might try reverting to a previous registry [one that worked]

| > from

| > | > before

| > | > | > this issue started. How do I locate a previous registry? I can

| > | > remember backing up the registry but to where?

| > | > | >

| > | > | > IF the computer starts, can you use Explorer to look at the

disk,

| > you

| > | > must

| > | > | > have Settings > Folder Options > View > Hidden Files - Show all

| > files,

| > | > and

| > | > | > Hide file extensions for know types UNCHECKED, to view hidden

| > folder

| > and

| > | > | > files.

| > | > | > MEB You mean to check view hidden folder and files.

| > | > | >

| > | > | > --

| > | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

| > | > | > --

| > | > | > _________

| > | > | >

| > | > | > "Tom" <Tom@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

| > | > | > news:202A4B66-1116-47FE-AE1A-6A2E43A8E1C7@microsoft.com...

| > | > | > | Pentium 3. win98se. Prgs, data files, Win 98 & 98se

updates,

| > just

| > | > | > | dissappeared from my hard drive. Ran scandisk, all ok, no bad

| > sectors,

| > | > | > | nothing.

| > | > | > | Any ideas how this could happen? Other prgs wont load, get

| > message

| > | > "error

| > | > | > | '429'

| > | > | > | activeX compone cant create object ". Any help appreciated.

| > | > | >

| > | >

| >

|

May 12, 2008

Re: Missing prgs- files -updates

The whole first half of your message is about restoring a Registry backup.

Only at the very end you catch yourself and sort of suggest maybe to wait.

As for the second half of your post, I quote: "You HAVE run checks on the

drives/partitions using Anti-Virus and SpyWare checking tools in addition to

scandisk, is that correct?.IF NOT then do so now, starting with scandisk [do

not let it correct anything, post log results of any errors found]."

I say NOTHING should be done to that machine until we have the answers to

the outstanding questions of exactly what is gone from where. And I don't

know if Chris will show up or not, it was just an idea, but it really makes

no difference if the OP has left the room.

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:%23QUHvwFtIHA.3804@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> Gary, was just indicating what will help to diagnose due to the new

> information.

>

> Answers to whether scandisk, Anti-Virus, etc. were run PRIOR to cquirke's

> entry may help. It is possible [as programs and installer files have gone

> missing], that an EXE block/hack was done. Taken with the ActiveX

> corruption

> [since fixed] would potentially indicate some form of hack. It would also

> be

> prudent to know what was done prior to the poster noting the problem, such

> as specific web page access/site, installation of some program, is a

> torrent/P2P program used, etc.

>

> fdisk /status check would provide information on what is seen by DOS,

> which

> could be compared to Explorer's properties output..

>

> But whatever, so is cquirke coming or not?

>

> --

> --

> _________

>

> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

> news:%23SkGjPEtIHA.672@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> | To repeat from a sub-thread below::

> |

> | It's a REALLY good idea not to do ANYTHING with that machine until you

> | understand the full extent of the problem. If it's a case of a whole

> | partition suddenly disappearing, that's a specific hint that might point

> to

> | an easier, simpler solution. If all the missing data was on D:\ but some

> | remains, and the partition is usable, that's another problem entirely.

> And

> | if it involves more than one partition, yet another whole panoply of

> | possibilities emerges.

> |

> | I've politely requested the presence of Mr. Quirke, but he'll want the

> | answers to the questions we've posed.

> |

> | --

> | Gary S. Terhune

> | MS-MVP Shell/User

> | http://www.grystmill.com

> |

> | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> | news:ewjj6gAtIHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> | > Okay, your first post was three days ago, so potentially you now have

> | > three

> | > more saved registries to contend with if you shut down and restarted

> the

> | > target computer during those three days.

> | >

> | > The standard way is to use the DOS prompt, which you get to by rapidly

> | > pressing F8 during bootup, immediately after the POST/BIOS readout

> screen.

> | >

> | > From the menu select DOS Prompt only, type ScanReg /restore and choose

> the

> | > entry from BEFORE the issue. Your problem MAY be that you have no idea

> | > which

> | > one to use. IF the computer boots normally [except for being unable to

> see

> | > the files] AND you have done the file viewing changes, start Explorer,

> | > open

> | > the Windows folder and go here and look for these files and their

> dates:

> | > C:\WINDOWS\SYSBCKUP\rb002.cab

> | > C:\WINDOWS\SYSBCKUP\rb001.cab

> | > C:\WINDOWS\SYSBCKUP\rb000.cab

> | > C:\WINDOWS\SYSBCKUP\rb003.cab

> | > C:\WINDOWS\SYSBCKUP\rb004.cab

> | > C:\WINDOWS\SYSBCKUP\rbbad.cab

> | >

> | > Choose the one, *by date*, from before the issue appeared, >make note

> of

> | > the rb00*<, that is the one you will TRY to revert too. HOWEVER, let

> me

> | > backup here,, new information you posted suggests this:

> | >

> | > Did you run scandisk yet? I note in your reply to PCR that one entire

> | > partition is missing {or just one partition is affected}- drive D,

> Sorry,

> | > that is generally a question I should have asked in the first posting.

> my

> | > error.. This appears to indicate an issue with the MBR/partition table

> or

> | > fat corruption issue.

> | > You HAVE run checks on the drives/partitions using Anti-Virus and

> SpyWare

> | > checking tools in addition to scandisk, is that correct?.IF NOT then

> do

> so

> | > now, starting with scandisk [do not let it correct anything, post log

> | > results of any errors found].

> | >

> | > From the DOS prompt type > fdisk /status and post the results.

> | >

> | > --

> | > --

> | > _________

> | >

> | > "Tom" <Tom@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> | > news:037834E3-C41E-4672-90BF-64671D24FB71@microsoft.com...

> | > |

> | > | "MEB" wrote:

> | > |

> | > | > Right, I guess I should have made that a bit clearer:

> | > | >

> | > | > | > IF the computer starts, can you use Explorer to look at the

> disk,

> | > you

> | > | > must

> | > | > | > have Settings > Folder Options > View > Hidden Files - Show

> all

> | > files,

> | > | > checked/ticked

> | > | >

> | > |

> | > | MEB

> | > | You might try reverting to a previous registry [one that worked]

> from

> | > | before this issue started.

> | > | How do I locate a previous registry? I can

> | > | remember backing up the registry but to where?

> | > |

> | > | | >

> | > | > AND

> | > | > | > Hide file extensions for know types UNCHECKED,

> | > | >

> | > | > ; to view hidden folder and

> | > | > | > files.

> | > | >

> | > | > --

> | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

> | > | > --

> | > | > _________

> | > | >

> | > | > "Tom" <Tom@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> | > | > news:44D48AAE-BDC8-4475-9F1E-59D987813304@microsoft.com...

> | > | > |

> | > | > | "MEB" wrote:

> | > | > |

> | > | > | > Hmm, not much to work with, but did you run any Anti-virus and

> | > SpyWare

> | > | > | > testing programs?

> | > | > | >

> | > | > | > Is this computer part of a network [other than the Internet]?

> | > No.

> | > | > | >

> | > | > | > You might try reverting to a previous registry [one that

> worked]

> | > from

> | > | > before

> | > | > | > this issue started. How do I locate a previous registry? I

> can

> | > | > remember backing up the registry but to where?

> | > | > | >

> | > | > | > IF the computer starts, can you use Explorer to look at the

> disk,

> | > you

> | > | > must

> | > | > | > have Settings > Folder Options > View > Hidden Files - Show

> all

> | > files,

> | > | > and

> | > | > | > Hide file extensions for know types UNCHECKED, to view hidden

> | > folder

> | > and

> | > | > | > files.

> | > | > | > MEB You mean to check view hidden folder and files.

> | > | > | >

> | > | > | > --

> | > | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

> | > | > | > --

> | > | > | > _________

> | > | > | >

> | > | > | > "Tom" <Tom@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> | > | > | > news:202A4B66-1116-47FE-AE1A-6A2E43A8E1C7@microsoft.com...

> | > | > | > | Pentium 3. win98se. Prgs, data files, Win 98 & 98se

> updates,

> | > just

> | > | > | > | dissappeared from my hard drive. Ran scandisk, all ok, no

> bad

> | > sectors,

> | > | > | > | nothing.

> | > | > | > | Any ideas how this could happen? Other prgs wont load, get

> | > message

> | > | > "error

> | > | > | > | '429'

> | > | > | > | activeX compone cant create object ". Any help appreciated.

> | > | > | >

> | > | >

> | >

> |

>

May 13, 2008

Re: Missing prgs- files -updates

That message was setting in the Drafts folder PRIOR to your post and his

response indicating the partition being gone, hence the first segment was in

case that information was needed,, doing nothing with the disk, without

knowing potential CAUSE will not help diagnose the disk nor diagnose what

CAUSED the issue. Merely fixing the drive will not necessarily do anything

to really help the poster.

Though yes, without the poster this is all moot..

--

--

_________

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

news:ONyHv$FtIHA.4492@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

| The whole first half of your message is about restoring a Registry backup.

| Only at the very end you catch yourself and sort of suggest maybe to wait.

|

| As for the second half of your post, I quote: "You HAVE run checks on the

| drives/partitions using Anti-Virus and SpyWare checking tools in addition

to

| scandisk, is that correct?.IF NOT then do so now, starting with scandisk

[do

| not let it correct anything, post log results of any errors found]."

|

| I say NOTHING should be done to that machine until we have the answers to

| the outstanding questions of exactly what is gone from where. And I don't

| know if Chris will show up or not, it was just an idea, but it really

makes

| no difference if the OP has left the room.

|

| --

| Gary S. Terhune

| MS-MVP Shell/User

|

| "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

| news:%23QUHvwFtIHA.3804@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

| > Gary, was just indicating what will help to diagnose due to the new

| > information.

| >

| > Answers to whether scandisk, Anti-Virus, etc. were run PRIOR to

cquirke's

| > entry may help. It is possible [as programs and installer files have

gone

| > missing], that an EXE block/hack was done. Taken with the ActiveX

| > corruption

| > [since fixed] would potentially indicate some form of hack. It would

also

| > be

| > prudent to know what was done prior to the poster noting the problem,

such

| > as specific web page access/site, installation of some program, is a

| > torrent/P2P program used, etc.

| >

| > fdisk /status check would provide information on what is seen by DOS,

| > which

| > could be compared to Explorer's properties output..

| >

| > But whatever, so is cquirke coming or not?

| >

| > --

| > --

| > _________

| >

| > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

| > news:%23SkGjPEtIHA.672@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

| > | To repeat from a sub-thread below::

| > |

| > | It's a REALLY good idea not to do ANYTHING with that machine until you

| > | understand the full extent of the problem. If it's a case of a whole

| > | partition suddenly disappearing, that's a specific hint that might

point

| > to

| > | an easier, simpler solution. If all the missing data was on D:\ but

some

| > | remains, and the partition is usable, that's another problem entirely.

| > And

| > | if it involves more than one partition, yet another whole panoply of

| > | possibilities emerges.

| > |

| > | I've politely requested the presence of Mr. Quirke, but he'll want the

| > | answers to the questions we've posed.

| > |

| > | --

| > | Gary S. Terhune

| > | MS-MVP Shell/User

| > | http://www.grystmill.com

| > |

| > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

| > | news:ewjj6gAtIHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

| > | > Okay, your first post was three days ago, so potentially you now

have

| > | > three

| > | > more saved registries to contend with if you shut down and restarted

| > the

| > | > target computer during those three days.

| > | >

| > | > The standard way is to use the DOS prompt, which you get to by

rapidly

| > | > pressing F8 during bootup, immediately after the POST/BIOS readout

| > screen.

| > | >

| > | > From the menu select DOS Prompt only, type ScanReg /restore and

choose

| > the

| > | > entry from BEFORE the issue. Your problem MAY be that you have no

idea

| > | > which

| > | > one to use. IF the computer boots normally [except for being unable

to

| > see

| > | > the files] AND you have done the file viewing changes, start

Explorer,

| > | > open

| > | > the Windows folder and go here and look for these files and their

| > dates:

| > | > C:\WINDOWS\SYSBCKUP\rb002.cab

| > | > C:\WINDOWS\SYSBCKUP\rb001.cab

| > | > C:\WINDOWS\SYSBCKUP\rb000.cab

| > | > C:\WINDOWS\SYSBCKUP\rb003.cab

| > | > C:\WINDOWS\SYSBCKUP\rb004.cab

| > | > C:\WINDOWS\SYSBCKUP\rbbad.cab

| > | >

| > | > Choose the one, *by date*, from before the issue appeared, >make

note

| > of

| > | > the rb00*<, that is the one you will TRY to revert too. HOWEVER, let

| > me

| > | > backup here,, new information you posted suggests this:

| > | >

| > | > Did you run scandisk yet? I note in your reply to PCR that one

entire

| > | > partition is missing {or just one partition is affected}- drive D,

| > Sorry,

| > | > that is generally a question I should have asked in the first

posting.

| > my

| > | > error.. This appears to indicate an issue with the MBR/partition

table

| > or

| > | > fat corruption issue.

| > | > You HAVE run checks on the drives/partitions using Anti-Virus and

| > SpyWare

| > | > checking tools in addition to scandisk, is that correct?.IF NOT then

| > do

| > so

| > | > now, starting with scandisk [do not let it correct anything, post

log

| > | > results of any errors found].

| > | >

| > | > From the DOS prompt type > fdisk /status and post the results.

| > | >

| > | > --

| > | > --

| > | > _________

| > | >

| > | > "Tom" <Tom@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

| > | > news:037834E3-C41E-4672-90BF-64671D24FB71@microsoft.com...

| > | > |

| > | > | "MEB" wrote:

| > | > |

| > | > | > Right, I guess I should have made that a bit clearer:

| > | > | >

| > | > | > | > IF the computer starts, can you use Explorer to look at the

| > disk,

| > | > you

| > | > | > must

| > | > | > | > have Settings > Folder Options > View > Hidden Files - Show

| > all

| > | > files,

| > | > | > checked/ticked

| > | > | >

| > | > |

| > | > | MEB

| > | > | You might try reverting to a previous registry [one that worked]

| > from

| > | > | before this issue started.

| > | > | How do I locate a previous registry? I can

| > | > | remember backing up the registry but to where?

| > | > |

| > | > | | >

| > | > | > AND

| > | > | > | > Hide file extensions for know types UNCHECKED,

| > | > | >

| > | > | > ; to view hidden folder and

| > | > | > | > files.

| > | > | >

| > | > | > --

| > | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

| > | > | > --

| > | > | > _________

| > | > | >

| > | > | > "Tom" <Tom@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

| > | > | > news:44D48AAE-BDC8-4475-9F1E-59D987813304@microsoft.com...

| > | > | > |

| > | > | > | "MEB" wrote:

| > | > | > |

| > | > | > | > Hmm, not much to work with, but did you run any Anti-virus

and

| > | > SpyWare

| > | > | > | > testing programs?

| > | > | > | >

| > | > | > | > Is this computer part of a network [other than the

Internet]?

| > | > No.

| > | > | > | >

| > | > | > | > You might try reverting to a previous registry [one that

| > worked]

| > | > from

| > | > | > before

| > | > | > | > this issue started. How do I locate a previous registry? I

| > can

| > | > | > remember backing up the registry but to where?

| > | > | > | >

| > | > | > | > IF the computer starts, can you use Explorer to look at the

| > disk,

| > | > you

| > | > | > must

| > | > | > | > have Settings > Folder Options > View > Hidden Files - Show

| > all

| > | > files,

| > | > | > and

| > | > | > | > Hide file extensions for know types UNCHECKED, to view

hidden

| > | > folder

| > | > and

| > | > | > | > files.

| > | > | > | > MEB You mean to check view hidden folder and files.

| > | > | > | >

| > | > | > | > --

| > | > | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

| > | > | > | > --

| > | > | > | > _________

| > | > | > | >

| > | > | > | > "Tom" <Tom@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

| > | > | > | > news:202A4B66-1116-47FE-AE1A-6A2E43A8E1C7@microsoft.com...

| > | > | > | > | Pentium 3. win98se. Prgs, data files, Win 98 & 98se

| > updates,

| > | > just

| > | > | > | > | dissappeared from my hard drive. Ran scandisk, all ok, no

| > bad

| > | > sectors,

| > | > | > | > | nothing.

| > | > | > | > | Any ideas how this could happen? Other prgs wont load, get

| > | > message

| > | > | > "error

| > | > | > | > | '429'

| > | > | > | > | activeX compone cant create object ". Any help

appreciated.

| > | > | > | >

| > | > | >

| > | >

| > |

| >

|

May 13, 2008

Re: Missing prgs- files -updates

"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:eehe21JtIHA.2292@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> That message was setting in the Drafts folder PRIOR to your post and his

> response indicating the partition being gone, hence the first segment was

> in

> case that information was needed,,

Well, that explains that part of it. But I can only see it from this side.

And react accordingly. Understand, we were all, me included, suggesting

procedures before knowing the story. I, for one, apologize for that, since

rule one for "lost data" is to stop using the machine until you think things

out completely. I, for one, was remiss in not posting that standard

recommendation. "Stop using that computer, go to another computer, tell us

all about it." I certainly used to do it often enough.

> doing nothing with the disk, without

> knowing potential CAUSE will not help diagnose the disk nor diagnose what

> CAUSED the issue.

When "discovering the cause" includes procedures that will potentially

overwrite missing data, it's time to think of alternatives. If you had

suggested running those tests from a floppy boot, you'd have a point. At

this juncture, the HD shouldn't be written to at all, Windows should not be

run.

But mostly, it's time to wait for answers from the OP before going any

farther, before risking any more data, and I want the OP to know that, which

is the reason I tagged your post with that warning.

>Merely fixing the drive will not necessarily do anything

> to really help the poster.

No matter how I read that sentence, I come up with nonsense. Sorry. I have

no idea what you're referring to. All I know is that the most recent post

from the OP brought me to my senses, and hinted at some intriguing

possibilities as to HOW the data is "lost" (because, of course, it isn't

really lost, it's MOSTLY still there.) To at least one person I know, having

the contents of a non-OS partition disappear entirely, IF that's what

happened, might tell a clear story and perhaps even suggest a really simple

answer. Or clearly suggest this or that malware and what floppy-based tools

might be run to gather information needed. I'm not saying Chris is the only

person who has such talent and experience, but he's the one that leaps to

mind when the question is asked.

But proceding any further without clarifying what the OP said in that post

is counter-productive.

> Though yes, without the poster this is all moot..

Indeed. Let us hope that there wasn't further destruction.

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

> news:ONyHv$FtIHA.4492@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> | The whole first half of your message is about restoring a Registry

> backup.

> | Only at the very end you catch yourself and sort of suggest maybe to

> wait.

> |

> | As for the second half of your post, I quote: "You HAVE run checks on

> the

> | drives/partitions using Anti-Virus and SpyWare checking tools in

> addition

> to

> | scandisk, is that correct?.IF NOT then do so now, starting with scandisk

> [do

> | not let it correct anything, post log results of any errors found]."

> |

> | I say NOTHING should be done to that machine until we have the answers

> to

> | the outstanding questions of exactly what is gone from where. And I

> don't

> | know if Chris will show up or not, it was just an idea, but it really

> makes

> | no difference if the OP has left the room.

> |

> | --

> | Gary S. Terhune

> | MS-MVP Shell/User

> | http://www.grystmill.com

> |

> | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> | news:%23QUHvwFtIHA.3804@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> | > Gary, was just indicating what will help to diagnose due to the new

> | > information.

> | >

> | > Answers to whether scandisk, Anti-Virus, etc. were run PRIOR to

> cquirke's

> | > entry may help. It is possible [as programs and installer files have

> gone

> | > missing], that an EXE block/hack was done. Taken with the ActiveX

> | > corruption

> | > [since fixed] would potentially indicate some form of hack. It would

> also

> | > be

> | > prudent to know what was done prior to the poster noting the problem,

> such

> | > as specific web page access/site, installation of some program, is a

> | > torrent/P2P program used, etc.

> | >

> | > fdisk /status check would provide information on what is seen by DOS,

> | > which

> | > could be compared to Explorer's properties output..

> | >

> | > But whatever, so is cquirke coming or not?

> | >

> | > --

> | > --

> | > _________

> | >

> | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

> | > news:%23SkGjPEtIHA.672@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> | > | To repeat from a sub-thread below::

> | > |

> | > | It's a REALLY good idea not to do ANYTHING with that machine until

> you

> | > | understand the full extent of the problem. If it's a case of a whole

> | > | partition suddenly disappearing, that's a specific hint that might

> point

> | > to

> | > | an easier, simpler solution. If all the missing data was on D:\ but

> some

> | > | remains, and the partition is usable, that's another problem

> entirely.

> | > And

> | > | if it involves more than one partition, yet another whole panoply of

> | > | possibilities emerges.

> | > |

> | > | I've politely requested the presence of Mr. Quirke, but he'll want

> the

> | > | answers to the questions we've posed.

> | > |

> | > | --

> | > | Gary S. Terhune

> | > | MS-MVP Shell/User

> | > | http://www.grystmill.com

> | > |

> | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> | > | news:ewjj6gAtIHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> | > | > Okay, your first post was three days ago, so potentially you now

> have

> | > | > three

> | > | > more saved registries to contend with if you shut down and

> restarted

> | > the

> | > | > target computer during those three days.

> | > | >

> | > | > The standard way is to use the DOS prompt, which you get to by

> rapidly

> | > | > pressing F8 during bootup, immediately after the POST/BIOS readout

> | > screen.

> | > | >

> | > | > From the menu select DOS Prompt only, type ScanReg /restore and

> choose

> | > the

> | > | > entry from BEFORE the issue. Your problem MAY be that you have no

> idea

> | > | > which

> | > | > one to use. IF the computer boots normally [except for being

> unable

> to

> | > see

> | > | > the files] AND you have done the file viewing changes, start

> Explorer,

> | > | > open

> | > | > the Windows folder and go here and look for these files and their

> | > dates:

> | > | > C:\WINDOWS\SYSBCKUP\rb002.cab

> | > | > C:\WINDOWS\SYSBCKUP\rb001.cab

> | > | > C:\WINDOWS\SYSBCKUP\rb000.cab

> | > | > C:\WINDOWS\SYSBCKUP\rb003.cab

> | > | > C:\WINDOWS\SYSBCKUP\rb004.cab

> | > | > C:\WINDOWS\SYSBCKUP\rbbad.cab

> | > | >

> | > | > Choose the one, *by date*, from before the issue appeared, >make

> note

> | > of

> | > | > the rb00*<, that is the one you will TRY to revert too. HOWEVER,

> let

> | > me

> | > | > backup here,, new information you posted suggests this:

> | > | >

> | > | > Did you run scandisk yet? I note in your reply to PCR that one

> entire

> | > | > partition is missing {or just one partition is affected}- drive D,

> | > Sorry,

> | > | > that is generally a question I should have asked in the first

> posting.

> | > my

> | > | > error.. This appears to indicate an issue with the MBR/partition

> table

> | > or

> | > | > fat corruption issue.

> | > | > You HAVE run checks on the drives/partitions using Anti-Virus and

> | > SpyWare

> | > | > checking tools in addition to scandisk, is that correct?.IF NOT

> then

> | > do

> | > so

> | > | > now, starting with scandisk [do not let it correct anything, post

> log

> | > | > results of any errors found].

> | > | >

> | > | > From the DOS prompt type > fdisk /status and post the results.

> | > | >

> | > | > --

> | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

> | > | > --

> | > | > _________

> | > | >

> | > | > "Tom" <Tom@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> | > | > news:037834E3-C41E-4672-90BF-64671D24FB71@microsoft.com...

> | > | > |

> | > | > | "MEB" wrote:

> | > | > |

> | > | > | > Right, I guess I should have made that a bit clearer:

> | > | > | >

> | > | > | > | > IF the computer starts, can you use Explorer to look at

> the

> | > disk,

> | > | > you

> | > | > | > must

> | > | > | > | > have Settings > Folder Options > View > Hidden Files -

> Show

> | > all

> | > | > files,

> | > | > | > checked/ticked

> | > | > | >

> | > | > |

> | > | > | MEB

> | > | > | You might try reverting to a previous registry [one that worked]

> | > from

> | > | > | before this issue started.

> | > | > | How do I locate a previous registry? I can

> | > | > | remember backing up the registry but to where?

> | > | > |

> | > | > | | >

> | > | > | > AND

> | > | > | > | > Hide file extensions for know types UNCHECKED,

> | > | > | >

> | > | > | > ; to view hidden folder and

> | > | > | > | > files.

> | > | > | >

> | > | > | > --

> | > | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

> | > | > | > --

> | > | > | > _________

> | > | > | >

> | > | > | > "Tom" <Tom@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> | > | > | > news:44D48AAE-BDC8-4475-9F1E-59D987813304@microsoft.com...

> | > | > | > |

> | > | > | > | "MEB" wrote:

> | > | > | > |

> | > | > | > | > Hmm, not much to work with, but did you run any Anti-virus

> and

> | > | > SpyWare

> | > | > | > | > testing programs?

> | > | > | > | >

> | > | > | > | > Is this computer part of a network [other than the

> Internet]?

> | > | > No.

> | > | > | > | >

> | > | > | > | > You might try reverting to a previous registry [one that

> | > worked]

> | > | > from

> | > | > | > before

> | > | > | > | > this issue started. How do I locate a previous registry?

> I

> | > can

> | > | > | > remember backing up the registry but to where?

> | > | > | > | >

> | > | > | > | > IF the computer starts, can you use Explorer to look at

> the

> | > disk,

> | > | > you

> | > | > | > must

> | > | > | > | > have Settings > Folder Options > View > Hidden Files -

> Show

> | > all

> | > | > files,

> | > | > | > and

> | > | > | > | > Hide file extensions for know types UNCHECKED, to view

> hidden

> | > | > folder

> | > | > and

> | > | > | > | > files.

> | > | > | > | > MEB You mean to check view hidden folder and files.

> | > | > | > | >

> | > | > | > | > --

> | > | > | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

> | > | > | > | > --

> | > | > | > | > _________

> | > | > | > | >

> | > | > | > | > "Tom" <Tom@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> | > | > | > | > news:202A4B66-1116-47FE-AE1A-6A2E43A8E1C7@microsoft.com...

> | > | > | > | > | Pentium 3. win98se. Prgs, data files, Win 98 & 98se

> | > updates,

> | > | > just

> | > | > | > | > | dissappeared from my hard drive. Ran scandisk, all ok,

> no

> | > bad

> | > | > sectors,

> | > | > | > | > | nothing.

> | > | > | > | > | Any ideas how this could happen? Other prgs wont load,

> get

> | > | > message

> | > | > | > "error

> | > | > | > | > | '429'

> | > | > | > | > | activeX compone cant create object ". Any help

> appreciated.

> | > | > | > | >

> | > | > | >

> | > | >

> | > |

> | >

> |

>

May 13, 2008

Re: Missing prgs- files -updates

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

news:OqKfCUKtIHA.4528@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

|

| "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

| news:eehe21JtIHA.2292@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

| > That message was setting in the Drafts folder PRIOR to your post and his

| > response indicating the partition being gone, hence the first segment

was

| > in

| > case that information was needed,,

|

| Well, that explains that part of it. But I can only see it from this side.

| And react accordingly. Understand, we were all, me included, suggesting

| procedures before knowing the story. I, for one, apologize for that, since

| rule one for "lost data" is to stop using the machine until you think

things

| out completely. I, for one, was remiss in not posting that standard

| recommendation. "Stop using that computer, go to another computer, tell us

| all about it." I certainly used to do it often enough.

Yes, I agree, unlike most help attempts, I also failed to apply my normal

procedures, though even what was used was not responded to..

|

| > doing nothing with the disk, without

| > knowing potential CAUSE will not help diagnose the disk nor diagnose

what

| > CAUSED the issue.

|

| When "discovering the cause" includes procedures that will potentially

| overwrite missing data, it's time to think of alternatives. If you had

| suggested running those tests from a floppy boot, you'd have a point. At

| this juncture, the HD shouldn't be written to at all, Windows should not

be

| run.

Everytime I have posted DOS based tools I have used and what needs done

pursuant their use, they are generally ignored or worse. Testdisk, HDAT2,

etc. have repeatedly been posted here, yet I see very few who recommend them

here.

However, part of the reason to NOT immediately recommend them was that the

knowledge of the three drives/partitions AND only *one* being affected was

not known at the incept of the discussion. I admit I wrongly presumed either

a single partition or the affected files were scattered across the drives.

Here a registry reset MIGHT have at least temporarily removed a potential

EXECUTIVEs hack. Tom DID post running scandisk, so that issue was already

addressed. Running it again would have no additional effect.

As for not running the computer at all, I get the impression, that this

wasn't really of concern to the poster. IF it was there would have been more

posts with far more information. That leaves nothing to work with but the

limited input received.

For instance:

Was Anti-Virus running - what program was it, was it used after the

failures to test the system and files;

Was a firewll in use, what other is on the system for protection;

Was a torrent/P2P program being used - which one and how was it configured,

was that drive the "public drive" or was that drive/partition being used as

the repository;

Was this the drive/partition where downloaded programs were opened;

What ActiveX control was effected/needed replaced - what was the program

re-installed to correct the problem;

etc.

The ActiveX corruption MIGHT indicate the method of delivery of a potential

hack. A bad hack WILL, at times, cause these types of issues. And as I

recently posted [and have repeatedly indicated] web sites ARE becoming the

number one delivery agent used to attack computers. Hence, knowing what site

or other might be relevant to helping diagnose the *causal activity*.

|

| But mostly, it's time to wait for answers from the OP before going any

| farther, before risking any more data, and I want the OP to know that,

which

| is the reason I tagged your post with that warning.

|

| >Merely fixing the drive will not necessarily do anything

| > to really help the poster.

|

| No matter how I read that sentence, I come up with nonsense. Sorry. I have

| no idea what you're referring to. All I know is that the most recent post

| from the OP brought me to my senses, and hinted at some intriguing

| possibilities as to HOW the data is "lost" (because, of course, it isn't

| really lost, it's MOSTLY still there.) To at least one person I know,

having

| the contents of a non-OS partition disappear entirely, IF that's what

| happened, might tell a clear story and perhaps even suggest a really

simple

| answer. Or clearly suggest this or that malware and what floppy-based

tools

| might be run to gather information needed. I'm not saying Chris is the

only

| person who has such talent and experience, but he's the one that leaps to

| mind when the question is asked.

Read the above response and see if you can glean what the reason might be

for saying what I did..... IF any of those things were not used or checked,

or were being used or not being used, merely fixing the disk is NOT going to

be of any use to the poster, as HABITS/USAGE are what needs addressed or the

drive/partition issue and corruption will likely re-occur..

|

| But proceding any further without clarifying what the OP said in that post

| is counter-productive.

|

| > Though yes, without the poster this is all moot..

|

| Indeed. Let us hope that there wasn't further destruction.

|

| --

| Gary S. Terhune

| MS-MVP Shell/User

--

--

_________

| > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

| > news:ONyHv$FtIHA.4492@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

| > | The whole first half of your message is about restoring a Registry

| > backup.

| > | Only at the very end you catch yourself and sort of suggest maybe to

| > wait.

| > |

| > | As for the second half of your post, I quote: "You HAVE run checks on

| > the

| > | drives/partitions using Anti-Virus and SpyWare checking tools in

| > addition

| > to

| > | scandisk, is that correct?.IF NOT then do so now, starting with

scandisk

| > [do

| > | not let it correct anything, post log results of any errors found]."

| > |

| > | I say NOTHING should be done to that machine until we have the answers

| > to

| > | the outstanding questions of exactly what is gone from where. And I

| > don't

| > | know if Chris will show up or not, it was just an idea, but it really

| > makes

| > | no difference if the OP has left the room.

| > |

| > | --

| > | Gary S. Terhune

| > | MS-MVP Shell/User

| > | http://www.grystmill.com

| > |

| > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

| > | news:%23QUHvwFtIHA.3804@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

| > | > Gary, was just indicating what will help to diagnose due to the new

| > | > information.

| > | >

| > | > Answers to whether scandisk, Anti-Virus, etc. were run PRIOR to

| > cquirke's

| > | > entry may help. It is possible [as programs and installer files have

| > gone

| > | > missing], that an EXE block/hack was done. Taken with the ActiveX

| > | > corruption

| > | > [since fixed] would potentially indicate some form of hack. It would

| > also

| > | > be

| > | > prudent to know what was done prior to the poster noting the

problem,

| > such

| > | > as specific web page access/site, installation of some program, is a

| > | > torrent/P2P program used, etc.

| > | >

| > | > fdisk /status check would provide information on what is seen by

DOS,

| > | > which

| > | > could be compared to Explorer's properties output..

| > | >

| > | > But whatever, so is cquirke coming or not?

| > | >

| > | > --