Post-SP3 Blues - External Drives Stopped Working

May 7, 2008

I installed SP3 on my 32-bit Windows Professional laptop, but its had some

undesirable side effects I need some help correcting:

1) The Address toolbar is gone. It's even missing from the list of

available toolbars. I find this a very useful tool. How can I recover this

tool?

2) My external disks are having trouble starting up, which results in

Windows not starting up. The two firewire disks were daisy-chained. I now

need to remove them to start windows, and even then when reconnected one at

a time, only the first one of them will start-up. When connecting the

second one (daisy chained or in a second firewire port) both firewire drives

stopped working. Windows itself stays up. With USB2 drives, Windows

starts up, but often only one drive is recognized. From time to time, both

USB2 drives are recognized.

Can anyone give me a hint on how to correct these problems?

- Michael Faklis <Michael_Faklis@EvolSwSys.net>

May 7, 2008

Re: Post-SP3 Blues - External Drives Stopped Working

As I understand it the Address Toolbar has been removed. The rest I can't

comment on.

Neil

"Michael Faklis" <Michael_Faklis@EvolSwSys.net> wrote in message

news:Ovs%23lQHsIHA.1316@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>I installed SP3 on my 32-bit Windows Professional laptop, but its had some

>undesirable side effects I need some help correcting:

>

> 1) The Address toolbar is gone. It's even missing from the list of

> available toolbars. I find this a very useful tool. How can I recover

> this tool?

>

> 2) My external disks are having trouble starting up, which results in

> Windows not starting up. The two firewire disks were daisy-chained. I

> now need to remove them to start windows, and even then when reconnected

> one at a time, only the first one of them will start-up. When connecting

> the second one (daisy chained or in a second firewire port) both firewire

> drives stopped working. Windows itself stays up. With USB2 drives,

> Windows starts up, but often only one drive is recognized. From time to

> time, both USB2 drives are recognized.

>

> Can anyone give me a hint on how to correct these problems?

>

> - Michael Faklis <Michael_Faklis@EvolSwSys.net>

>

May 7, 2008

Re: Post-SP3 Blues - External Drives Stopped Working

1) The Address Toolbar is removed from XP SP3 due to legal concerns MS had

relating to the close integration of IE in Windows.

"Michael Faklis" <Michael_Faklis@EvolSwSys.net> wrote in message

news:Ovs%23lQHsIHA.1316@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>I installed SP3 on my 32-bit Windows Professional laptop, but its had some

>undesirable side effects I need some help correcting:

>

> 1) The Address toolbar is gone. It's even missing from the list of

> available toolbars. I find this a very useful tool. How can I recover

> this tool?

>

> 2) My external disks are having trouble starting up, which results in

> Windows not starting up. The two firewire disks were daisy-chained. I

> now need to remove them to start windows, and even then when reconnected

> one at a time, only the first one of them will start-up. When connecting

> the second one (daisy chained or in a second firewire port) both firewire

> drives stopped working. Windows itself stays up. With USB2 drives,

> Windows starts up, but often only one drive is recognized. From time to

> time, both USB2 drives are recognized.

>

> Can anyone give me a hint on how to correct these problems?

>

> - Michael Faklis <Michael_Faklis@EvolSwSys.net>

>

May 7, 2008

Re: Post-SP3 Blues - External Drives Stopped Working

Sorry to butt in Michael but what address bar do you mean? The one in

internet explorer, outlook express, or the one in Windows explorer? It's

just that I'd like to know what to expect.

Sandy

"Michael Faklis" <Michael_Faklis@EvolSwSys.net> wrote in message

news:Ovs%23lQHsIHA.1316@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

I installed SP3 on my 32-bit Windows Professional laptop, but its had some

undesirable side effects I need some help correcting:

1) The Address toolbar is gone. It's even missing from the list of

available toolbars. I find this a very useful tool. How can I recover this

tool?

2) My external disks are having trouble starting up, which results in

Windows not starting up. The two firewire disks were daisy-chained. I now

need to remove them to start windows, and even then when reconnected one at

a time, only the first one of them will start-up. When connecting the

second one (daisy chained or in a second firewire port) both firewire drives

stopped working. Windows itself stays up. With USB2 drives, Windows

starts up, but often only one drive is recognized. From time to time, both

USB2 drives are recognized.

Can anyone give me a hint on how to correct these problems?

- Michael Faklis <Michael_Faklis@EvolSwSys.net>

May 7, 2008

Re: Post-SP3 Blues - External Drives Stopped Working

On May 7, 3:40 pm, "neil" <neilp67_@_hotmail.com> wrote:

> As I understand it the Address Toolbar has been removed. The rest I can't

> comment on.

> Neil"Michael Faklis" <Michael_Fak...@EvolSwSys.net> wrote in message

>

> news:Ovs%23lQHsIHA.1316@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>

> >I installed SP3 on my 32-bit Windows Professional laptop, but its had some

> >undesirable side effects I need some help correcting:

>

> > 1) The Address toolbar is gone. It's even missing from the list of

> > available toolbars. I find this a very useful tool. How can I recover

> > this tool?

>

> > 2) My external disks are having trouble starting up, which results in

> > Windows not starting up. The two firewire disks were daisy-chained. I

> > now need to remove them to start windows, and even then when reconnected

> > one at a time, only the first one of them will start-up. When connecting

> > the second one (daisy chained or in a second firewire port) both firewire

> > drives stopped working. Windows itself stays up. With USB2 drives,

> > Windows starts up, but often only one drive is recognized. From time to

> > time, both USB2 drives are recognized.

>

> > Can anyone give me a hint on how to correct these problems?

>

> > - Michael Faklis <Michael_Fak...@EvolSwSys.net>- Hide quoted text -

>

> - Show quoted text -

There is several "tweaks" to replace the Address toolbar that you

should be able to find.

May 7, 2008

Re: Post-SP3 Blues - External Drives Stopped Working

I'm referring to the optional address toobar in the Windows task bar.

- Michael Faklis

\

"Sandy J" <sandy@hatespam.com> wrote in message

news:e4cojvHsIHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> Sorry to butt in Michael but what address bar do you mean? The one in

> internet explorer, outlook express, or the one in Windows explorer? It's

> just that I'd like to know what to expect.

>

> Sandy

>

> "Michael Faklis" <Michael_Faklis@EvolSwSys.net> wrote in message

> news:Ovs%23lQHsIHA.1316@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> I installed SP3 on my 32-bit Windows Professional laptop, but its had some

> undesirable side effects I need some help correcting:

>

> 1) The Address toolbar is gone. It's even missing from the list of

> available toolbars. I find this a very useful tool. How can I recover

> this

> tool?

>

> 2) My external disks are having trouble starting up, which results in

> Windows not starting up. The two firewire disks were daisy-chained. I

> now

> need to remove them to start windows, and even then when reconnected one

> at

> a time, only the first one of them will start-up. When connecting the

> second one (daisy chained or in a second firewire port) both firewire

> drives

> stopped working. Windows itself stays up. With USB2 drives, Windows

> starts up, but often only one drive is recognized. From time to time,

> both

> USB2 drives are recognized.

>

> Can anyone give me a hint on how to correct these problems?

>

> - Michael Faklis <Michael_Faklis@EvolSwSys.net>

>

May 7, 2008

Re: Post-SP3 Blues - External Drives Stopped Working

HI Michael, thanks, I googled for it and I never even knew that option

existed... :-O. BTW, I saw somwhere in one of the threads how to hot fix

that missing address bar, but you had to save a dll from the system before

you installed service pack 3. Look for this thread: Re: XP SP3

Problems/Help posted byh VanguardLH, there were 2 important replies

concerning that issue.

Sandy

"Michael Faklis" <Michael_Faklis@EvolSwSys.net> wrote in message

news:e3$s15HsIHA.4840@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

I'm referring to the optional address toobar in the Windows task bar.

- Michael Faklis

\

"Sandy J" <sandy@hatespam.com> wrote in message

news:e4cojvHsIHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> Sorry to butt in Michael but what address bar do you mean? The one in

> internet explorer, outlook express, or the one in Windows explorer? It's

> just that I'd like to know what to expect.

>

> Sandy

>

> "Michael Faklis" <Michael_Faklis@EvolSwSys.net> wrote in message

> news:Ovs%23lQHsIHA.1316@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> I installed SP3 on my 32-bit Windows Professional laptop, but its had some

> undesirable side effects I need some help correcting:

>

> 1) The Address toolbar is gone. It's even missing from the list of

> available toolbars. I find this a very useful tool. How can I recover

> this

> tool?

>

> 2) My external disks are having trouble starting up, which results in

> Windows not starting up. The two firewire disks were daisy-chained. I

> now

> need to remove them to start windows, and even then when reconnected one

> at

> a time, only the first one of them will start-up. When connecting the

> second one (daisy chained or in a second firewire port) both firewire

> drives

> stopped working. Windows itself stays up. With USB2 drives, Windows

> starts up, but often only one drive is recognized. From time to time,

> both

> USB2 drives are recognized.

>

> Can anyone give me a hint on how to correct these problems?

>

> - Michael Faklis <Michael_Faklis@EvolSwSys.net>

>

May 7, 2008

Re: Post-SP3 Blues - External Drives Stopped Working

>2) My external disks are having trouble starting up, which results in

>Windows not starting up. The two firewire disks were daisy-chained. I now

>need to remove them to start windows, and even then when reconnected one at

>a time, only the first one of them will start-up. When connecting the

>second one (daisy chained or in a second firewire port) both firewire drives

>stopped working. Windows itself stays up. With USB2 drives, Windows

>starts up, but often only one drive is recognized. From time to time, both

>USB2 drives are recognized.

>

>Can anyone give me a hint on how to correct these problems?

Try this:

Go to device manager and remove the external drives, reboot and let XP

re-detect. I suspect the driver is still stuck from the OLD SP2

version and maybe SP3 will be smart enough to use the updated SP3

version. Is this an integrated firewire card or 3rd party?

- Thee Chicago Wolf

May 8, 2008

Re: Post-SP3 Blues - External Drives Stopped Working

A1. Default behavior. Read the Release Notes and White Paper.

A2. Free unlimited installation and compatibility support is available for

Windows XP, but only for Service Pack 3 (SP3), until 14 Apr-09. Chat and

e-mail support is available only in the United States and Canada.

• US:

http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?ln=en-us&prid=11273&gprid=522131

• CA:

http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?ln=en-ca&prid=11273&gprid=522131

• UK:

http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?ln=en-uk&prid=11273&gprid=522131

• AU:

http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?ln=en-au&prid=11273&gprid=522131

• Other: http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?gprid=1173 | select

Windows XP | select Windows XP Service Pack 3

--

~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002

AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net

DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

Michael Faklis wrote:

> I installed SP3 on my 32-bit Windows Professional laptop, but its had some

> undesirable side effects I need some help correcting:

>

> 1) The Address toolbar is gone. It's even missing from the list of

> available toolbars. I find this a very useful tool. How can I recover

> this

> tool?

>

> 2) My external disks are having trouble starting up, which results in

> Windows not starting up. The two firewire disks were daisy-chained. I

> now

> need to remove them to start windows, and even then when reconnected one

> at

> a time, only the first one of them will start-up. When connecting the

> second one (daisy chained or in a second firewire port) both firewire

> drives

> stopped working. Windows itself stays up. With USB2 drives, Windows

> starts up, but often only one drive is recognized. From time to time,

> both

> USB2 drives are recognized.

>

> Can anyone give me a hint on how to correct these problems?

>

> - Michael Faklis <Michael_Faklis@EvolSwSys.net>

May 8, 2008

Re: Post-SP3 Blues - External Drives Stopped Working

I have to get it started with those devices to delete tem via the Device

Manager. Can I delete them via the registry?

I'm using the built-in USB1 ports for the mouse and ifrared device. I'm

using a combo USB2/Firewire 400 PCCard for the disk drives.

"Thee Chicago Wolf" <.@.> wrote in message

news:7ta4241blb1evjj7gqcm54bblqfoj58u2v@4ax.com...

> >2) My external disks are having trouble starting up, which results in

>>Windows not starting up. The two firewire disks were daisy-chained. I

>>now

>>need to remove them to start windows, and even then when reconnected one

>>at

>>a time, only the first one of them will start-up. When connecting the

>>second one (daisy chained or in a second firewire port) both firewire

>>drives

>>stopped working. Windows itself stays up. With USB2 drives, Windows

>>starts up, but often only one drive is recognized. From time to time,

>>both

>>USB2 drives are recognized.

>>

>>Can anyone give me a hint on how to correct these problems?

>

> Try this:

>

> Go to device manager and remove the external drives, reboot and let XP

> re-detect. I suspect the driver is still stuck from the OLD SP2

> version and maybe SP3 will be smart enough to use the updated SP3

> version. Is this an integrated firewire card or 3rd party?

>

> - Thee Chicago Wolf

May 8, 2008

Re: Post-SP3 Blues - External Drives Stopped Working

>I have to get it started with those devices to delete tem via the Device

>Manager. Can I delete them via the registry?

>

>I'm using the built-in USB1 ports for the mouse and ifrared device. I'm

>using a combo USB2/Firewire 400 PCCard for the disk drives.

There's one trick you can do that doesn't require digging through the

registry and it's a very simple XP hack. Boot to XP in either Safe

Mode or as you would normally and go to Control Panel > System >

Advanced > Environment Variables. In the System Variables section,

click New and enter devmgr_show_nonpresent_devices as the variable

name and 1 as the variable value. At this point you *can* reboot but

most of the time the variable takes as soon as you click OK.

Now, go over to your device manager and from the View menu, choose

Show Hidden Devices. This lets you get at everything. When you expand

the device groups (by clicking the [+]) you may sometimes notice that

some items are a solid icon and others are soft of there but a bit

greyed out, the ones that are greyed out can be safely removed. I

would not recommend messing with anything in the Non-Pug and Play

area.

At this point, you can go through the Disk Drives and Storage Volumes

and see what's there. If you know what model you main HD is, blow out

whatever is there. If you remove your HD, no big deal as XP will

re-detect upon reboot. Dig through the Universal Serial Bus

controllers section for any "Unknown Device" bangs or some such junk

entry. I would also recommend going through and seeing if you have any

other "Unknown Device" bangs or entries and just blowing them out.

How about driver for that combo USB/Firewire card? Anything newer from

the manufacturer?

- Thee Chicago Wolf

May 8, 2008

Re: Post-SP3 Blues - External Drives Stopped Working

Thank you so much. Where did you learn about that environment variable?

- Michael Faklis

"Thee Chicago Wolf" <.@.> wrote in message

news:i3q5241nu5geu294v64lvfc0av6uv5fm8d@4ax.com...

> >I have to get it started with those devices to delete tem via the Device

>>Manager. Can I delete them via the registry?

>>

>>I'm using the built-in USB1 ports for the mouse and ifrared device. I'm

>>using a combo USB2/Firewire 400 PCCard for the disk drives.

>

> There's one trick you can do that doesn't require digging through the

> registry and it's a very simple XP hack. Boot to XP in either Safe

> Mode or as you would normally and go to Control Panel > System >

> Advanced > Environment Variables. In the System Variables section,

> click New and enter devmgr_show_nonpresent_devices as the variable

> name and 1 as the variable value. At this point you *can* reboot but

> most of the time the variable takes as soon as you click OK.

>

> Now, go over to your device manager and from the View menu, choose

> Show Hidden Devices. This lets you get at everything. When you expand

> the device groups (by clicking the [+]) you may sometimes notice that

> some items are a solid icon and others are soft of there but a bit

> greyed out, the ones that are greyed out can be safely removed. I

> would not recommend messing with anything in the Non-Pug and Play

> area.

>

> At this point, you can go through the Disk Drives and Storage Volumes

> and see what's there. If you know what model you main HD is, blow out

> whatever is there. If you remove your HD, no big deal as XP will

> re-detect upon reboot. Dig through the Universal Serial Bus

> controllers section for any "Unknown Device" bangs or some such junk

> entry. I would also recommend going through and seeing if you have any

> other "Unknown Device" bangs or entries and just blowing them out.

>

> How about driver for that combo USB/Firewire card? Anything newer from

> the manufacturer?

>

> - Thee Chicago Wolf

May 8, 2008

Re: Post-SP3 Blues - External Drives Stopped Working

>Thank you so much. Where did you learn about that environment variable?

One of those hacks you pick up along the way. I think I got it from

Kim Komando actually a loooooooong time ago. Did it help out any?

- Thee Chicago Wolf

May 8, 2008

Re: Post-SP3 Blues - External Drives Stopped Working

Thee Chicago Wolf <.@.> wrote:

>One of those hacks you pick up along the way. I think I got it from

>Kim Komando actually a loooooooong time ago. Did it help out any?

Haven't listened to her in a couple years.

I wonder whatever happened to David Lawrence.

May 9, 2008

Re: Post-SP3 Blues - External Drives Stopped Working

Well, it was a nice exercise, but it didn't fix the problem.

I did a safe boot to delete all of the unused devices. I was pretty excited

when I rebooted, because my laptop came up after just a minute, rather than

the 10 minutes it usually takes to startup. It turns out that XP

immediately reloaded all of the unused devices, even those that hadn't been

attached for years. The next reboot took 10 minutes again. I attached my

external devices one by one. The first firewire drive attached correctly,

but the second failed to attach as daisy-chains to the first, or when

attached to its own firewire port. So there was no real change.

It was interesting to see of those unused devices. My laptop has gone

through 3 motherboards, a processor upgrade (with one of the motherboards),

three LCD panels, 4 primary disk drives, and various other changes, and all

of those obsolete devices were still registered. As I mentioned above, they

all reregistered upon reboot. There has to be some branch in the registry

that needs to be cleared up to prevent those old devices from reregistering.

- Michael Faklis

"Thee Chicago Wolf" <.@.> wrote in message

news:fgk624dp93mdjrq2bq01ko6nao91msdh0c@4ax.com...

> >Thank you so much. Where did you learn about that environment variable?

>

> One of those hacks you pick up along the way. I think I got it from

> Kim Komando actually a loooooooong time ago. Did it help out any?

>

> - Thee Chicago Wolf

May 9, 2008

Re: Post-SP3 Blues - External Drives Stopped Working

Add a System Environment Variable:

DevMgr_Show_NonPresent_Devices

and set it's value = 1

Open Device Manager, Click View - tic/Check "Show Hidden Devices"

Now DM will show even Plug-&-Play Phantom entries. You can safely

remove the items shown in diminished tone or grayed out from all the

Device Manager categories except "Sound" which normally has a few

entries which are grayed out, but not true phantoms.

"Michael Faklis" <Michael_Faklis@EvolSwSys.net> wrote in message

news:OxN6a6dsIHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> Well, it was a nice exercise, but it didn't fix the problem.

>

> I did a safe boot to delete all of the unused devices. I was pretty

> excited when I rebooted, because my laptop came up after just a minute,

> rather than the 10 minutes it usually takes to startup. It turns out that

> XP immediately reloaded all of the unused devices, even those that hadn't

> been attached for years. The next reboot took 10 minutes again. I

> attached my external devices one by one. The first firewire drive

> attached correctly, but the second failed to attach as daisy-chains to the

> first, or when attached to its own firewire port. So there was no real

> change.

>

> It was interesting to see of those unused devices. My laptop has gone

> through 3 motherboards, a processor upgrade (with one of the

> motherboards), three LCD panels, 4 primary disk drives, and various other

> changes, and all of those obsolete devices were still registered. As I

> mentioned above, they all reregistered upon reboot. There has to be some

> branch in the registry that needs to be cleared up to prevent those old

> devices from reregistering.

>

> - Michael Faklis

>

> "Thee Chicago Wolf" <.@.> wrote in message

> news:fgk624dp93mdjrq2bq01ko6nao91msdh0c@4ax.com...

>> >Thank you so much. Where did you learn about that environment variable?

>>

>> One of those hacks you pick up along the way. I think I got it from

>> Kim Komando actually a loooooooong time ago. Did it help out any?

>>

>> - Thee Chicago Wolf

>

May 10, 2008

RE: Post-SP3 Blues - External Drives Stopped Working

I have pretty much the same problem, I opened a thread here:

http://forums.microsoft.com/TechNet/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=3322435&SiteID=17&mode=1

No solution yet, although a helpful Microsoft employee is looking into it.

You may want to monitor that thread.

"Michael Faklis" wrote:

> I installed SP3 on my 32-bit Windows Professional laptop, but its had some

> undesirable side effects I need some help correcting:

>

> 1) The Address toolbar is gone. It's even missing from the list of

> available toolbars. I find this a very useful tool. How can I recover this

> tool?

>

> 2) My external disks are having trouble starting up, which results in

> Windows not starting up. The two firewire disks were daisy-chained. I now

> need to remove them to start windows, and even then when reconnected one at

> a time, only the first one of them will start-up. When connecting the

> second one (daisy chained or in a second firewire port) both firewire drives

> stopped working. Windows itself stays up. With USB2 drives, Windows

> starts up, but often only one drive is recognized. From time to time, both

> USB2 drives are recognized.

>

> Can anyone give me a hint on how to correct these problems?

>

> - Michael Faklis <Michael_Faklis@EvolSwSys.net>

>

May 10, 2008

RE: Post-SP3 Blues - External Drives Stopped Working

Forgot to ask: is it a Western Digital external drive? Mine is WD, and so is

another person in the other thread having this issue.

"Michael Faklis" wrote:

> I installed SP3 on my 32-bit Windows Professional laptop, but its had some

> undesirable side effects I need some help correcting:

>

> 1) The Address toolbar is gone. It's even missing from the list of

> available toolbars. I find this a very useful tool. How can I recover this

> tool?

>

> 2) My external disks are having trouble starting up, which results in

> Windows not starting up. The two firewire disks were daisy-chained. I now

> need to remove them to start windows, and even then when reconnected one at

> a time, only the first one of them will start-up. When connecting the

> second one (daisy chained or in a second firewire port) both firewire drives

> stopped working. Windows itself stays up. With USB2 drives, Windows

> starts up, but often only one drive is recognized. From time to time, both

> USB2 drives are recognized.

>

> Can anyone give me a hint on how to correct these problems?

>

> - Michael Faklis <Michael_Faklis@EvolSwSys.net>

>

May 11, 2008

Re: Post-SP3 Blues - External Drives Stopped Working

>Well, it was a nice exercise, but it didn't fix the problem.

>

>I did a safe boot to delete all of the unused devices. I was pretty excited

>when I rebooted, because my laptop came up after just a minute, rather than

>the 10 minutes it usually takes to startup. It turns out that XP

>immediately reloaded all of the unused devices, even those that hadn't been

>attached for years. The next reboot took 10 minutes again. I attached my

>external devices one by one. The first firewire drive attached correctly,

>but the second failed to attach as daisy-chains to the first, or when

>attached to its own firewire port. So there was no real change.

>

>It was interesting to see of those unused devices. My laptop has gone

>through 3 motherboards, a processor upgrade (with one of the motherboards),

>three LCD panels, 4 primary disk drives, and various other changes, and all

>of those obsolete devices were still registered. As I mentioned above, they

>all reregistered upon reboot. There has to be some branch in the registry

>that needs to be cleared up to prevent those old devices from reregistering.

Sorry it didn't work out. Dumb question: Is the system BIOS up to

date? I was also wondering possibly there was kind of butting of heads

with drives wanting to be the same drive letter and thus the other

drive is not showing up. I've seen this when I've plugged in external

USB drives and flash drives at the same time. If I go to the Disk

Management tool, all the drives will be there but for whatever bizarre

reason, one drive that already has a reserved drive letter, is also

being occupied by another device and it also has the same drive letter

but cannot be seen. When I do "Change drive letters and paths" and

assign it a different drive letter, it shows up.

- Thee Chicago Wolf

May 11, 2008