Starting up your PC

May 8, 2008

I'm having problems starting up my PC at all. I think a wire is loose on the

power button assembly. The power supply works, because I tried on another PC

and it booted up. Isn't there a way to start your PC by touching 2 points on

the motherboard? I took a PC class a while back and my teacher often started

his PC by touching 2 points on his motherboard with a screwdriver? If there

is a way to do that please tell me.

Thanks, attilathehun1

--

attilathehun1

May 8, 2008

Re: Starting up your PC

Most common is green to either black or ground,

but some boards, such as Dell's, may have other

than standard pin assignments.

"attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:711F202D-4ECB-4559-AEAD-CB68A16234C4@microsoft.com...

> I'm having problems starting up my PC at all. I think a wire is loose on

the

> power button assembly. The power supply works, because I tried on another

PC

> and it booted up. Isn't there a way to start your PC by touching 2 points

on

> the motherboard? I took a PC class a while back and my teacher often

started

> his PC by touching 2 points on his motherboard with a screwdriver? If

there

> is a way to do that please tell me.

> Thanks,

attilathehun1

> --

> attilathehun1

May 8, 2008

Re: Starting up your PC

It's a gateway. An older model by the power supply that I bought for it. It

has a pentium III CPU stock. I took off the power button assembly off the

front of the inner PC with one little screw, off the front panel. I think it

may have a short, but I'm not sure. When I took out the hard drive and

replaced it and put back the original hard drive I could see where the metal

brackets could hit the start up button wire assembly.

It was working fine before I added a hard drive on it as a slave. I used it

to format a hard drive or erase a hard drive on another PC. Now this one is

not firing up, the Windows 98 SE Gateway PC.

I'm going to buy a start up assembly button, with wires. If that's not it,

then it's shorting out somehow.

Thanks, attilathehun1

--

attilathehun1

"." wrote:

> Most common is green to either black or ground,

> but some boards, such as Dell's, may have other

> than standard pin assignments.

>

> "attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:711F202D-4ECB-4559-AEAD-CB68A16234C4@microsoft.com...

> > I'm having problems starting up my PC at all. I think a wire is loose on

> the

> > power button assembly. The power supply works, because I tried on another

> PC

> > and it booted up. Isn't there a way to start your PC by touching 2 points

> on

> > the motherboard? I took a PC class a while back and my teacher often

> started

> > his PC by touching 2 points on his motherboard with a screwdriver? If

> there

> > is a way to do that please tell me.

> > Thanks,

> attilathehun1

> > --

> > attilathehun1

>

May 8, 2008

Re: Starting up your PC

I should have noticed when you said that you swapped

it that the PC fired up making it unlikely that it was a non-

standard unit (unless of course the two were of the same

mfg). In any case, you need not acquire another start

button, if the power supply won't turn on by jumpering

the green wire to one of the black wires at the 20/24

wire motherboard connector, another button won't be

useful in getting it started. Power supplies want to have

a load so be sure to do so (such as the four wire

connector on a (P)ATA hard drive) before firing it up.

http://www.techpowerup.com/articles/other/22

http://pinouts.ru/Power/atxpower_pinout.shtml

"attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:4FD5122B-9418-4785-9179-89D932D59649@microsoft.com...

> It's a gateway. An older model by the power supply that I bought for it.

It

> has a pentium III CPU stock. I took off the power button assembly off the

> front of the inner PC with one little screw, off the front panel. I think

it

> may have a short, but I'm not sure. When I took out the hard drive and

> replaced it and put back the original hard drive I could see where the

metal

> brackets could hit the start up button wire assembly.

> It was working fine before I added a hard drive on it as a slave. I used

it

> to format a hard drive or erase a hard drive on another PC. Now this one

is

> not firing up, the Windows 98 SE Gateway PC.

> I'm going to buy a start up assembly button, with wires. If that's not

it,

> then it's shorting out somehow.

> Thanks, attilathehun1

>

> --

> attilathehun1

>

> "." wrote:

>

> > Most common is green to either black or ground,

> > but some boards, such as Dell's, may have other

> > than standard pin assignments.

> >

> > "attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in

message

> > news:711F202D-4ECB-4559-AEAD-CB68A16234C4@microsoft.com...

> > > I'm having problems starting up my PC at all. I think a wire is loose

on

> > the

> > > power button assembly. The power supply works, because I tried on

another

> > PC

> > > and it booted up. Isn't there a way to start your PC by touching 2

points

> > on

> > > the motherboard? I took a PC class a while back and my teacher often

> > started

> > > his PC by touching 2 points on his motherboard with a screwdriver? If

> > there

> > > is a way to do that please tell me.

> > > Thanks,

> > attilathehun1

> > > --

> > > attilathehun1

May 8, 2008

Re: Starting up your PC

No, I haven't tried that yet. I don't see the green and black or ground. I

better take a closer look at the motherboard. I think I'll go to the website

you have provided as a link.

Thanks, attilathehun1

--

attilathehun1

"." wrote:

> I should have noticed when you said that you swapped

> it that the PC fired up making it unlikely that it was a non-

> standard unit (unless of course the two were of the same

> mfg). In any case, you need not acquire another start

> button, if the power supply won't turn on by jumpering

> the green wire to one of the black wires at the 20/24

> wire motherboard connector, another button won't be

> useful in getting it started. Power supplies want to have

> a load so be sure to do so (such as the four wire

> connector on a (P)ATA hard drive) before firing it up.

> http://www.techpowerup.com/articles/other/22

> http://pinouts.ru/Power/atxpower_pinout.shtml

>

> "attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:4FD5122B-9418-4785-9179-89D932D59649@microsoft.com...

> > It's a gateway. An older model by the power supply that I bought for it.

> It

> > has a pentium III CPU stock. I took off the power button assembly off the

> > front of the inner PC with one little screw, off the front panel. I think

> it

> > may have a short, but I'm not sure. When I took out the hard drive and

> > replaced it and put back the original hard drive I could see where the

> metal

> > brackets could hit the start up button wire assembly.

> > It was working fine before I added a hard drive on it as a slave. I used

> it

> > to format a hard drive or erase a hard drive on another PC. Now this one

> is

> > not firing up, the Windows 98 SE Gateway PC.

> > I'm going to buy a start up assembly button, with wires. If that's not

> it,

> > then it's shorting out somehow.

> > Thanks, attilathehun1

> >

> > --

> > attilathehun1

> >

> > "." wrote:

> >

> > > Most common is green to either black or ground,

> > > but some boards, such as Dell's, may have other

> > > than standard pin assignments.

> > >

> > > "attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in

> message

> > > news:711F202D-4ECB-4559-AEAD-CB68A16234C4@microsoft.com...

> > > > I'm having problems starting up my PC at all. I think a wire is loose

> on

> > > the

> > > > power button assembly. The power supply works, because I tried on

> another

> > > PC

> > > > and it booted up. Isn't there a way to start your PC by touching 2

> points

> > > on

> > > > the motherboard? I took a PC class a while back and my teacher often

> > > started

> > > > his PC by touching 2 points on his motherboard with a screwdriver? If

> > > there

> > > > is a way to do that please tell me.

> > > > Thanks,

> > > attilathehun1

> > > > --

> > > > attilathehun1

>

May 8, 2008

Re: Starting up your PC

"attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:4FD5122B-9418-4785-9179-89D932D59649@microsoft.com...

> It's a gateway. An older model by the power supply that I bought for it.

It

> has a pentium III CPU stock. I took off the power button assembly off the

> front of the inner PC with one little screw, off the front panel. I think

it

> may have a short, but I'm not sure. When I took out the hard drive and

> replaced it and put back the original hard drive I could see where the

metal

> brackets could hit the start up button wire assembly.

> It was working fine before I added a hard drive on it as a slave. I used

it

> to format a hard drive or erase a hard drive on another PC. Now this one

is

> not firing up, the Windows 98 SE Gateway PC.

> I'm going to buy a start up assembly button, with wires. If that's not

it,

> then it's shorting out somehow.

> Thanks, attilathehun1

>

Before you buy a new button

just unplug the connector from the mobo and jump the two terminals together

with a small screw driver...

if the machine starts then your button may be bad

otherwise your problem lies elsewhere

you may have disturbed something when you added the HD

May 8, 2008

Re: Starting up your PC

Ok I see the green wire. It's on the P1 connector to the motherboard. So

stick a paperclip into the green wire socket and then to the black wire

socket? Ok, I'll give it a shot. Should I wait for your reply? Am I correct

or getting warm to the area that I should be using the paperclip? If I am or

not, please tell me. I'll wait before using the paperclip.

Thanks, attilathehun1

--

attilathehun1

"." wrote:

> I should have noticed when you said that you swapped

> it that the PC fired up making it unlikely that it was a non-

> standard unit (unless of course the two were of the same

> mfg). In any case, you need not acquire another start

> button, if the power supply won't turn on by jumpering

> the green wire to one of the black wires at the 20/24

> wire motherboard connector, another button won't be

> useful in getting it started. Power supplies want to have

> a load so be sure to do so (such as the four wire

> connector on a (P)ATA hard drive) before firing it up.

> http://www.techpowerup.com/articles/other/22

> http://pinouts.ru/Power/atxpower_pinout.shtml

>

> "attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:4FD5122B-9418-4785-9179-89D932D59649@microsoft.com...

> > It's a gateway. An older model by the power supply that I bought for it.

> It

> > has a pentium III CPU stock. I took off the power button assembly off the

> > front of the inner PC with one little screw, off the front panel. I think

> it

> > may have a short, but I'm not sure. When I took out the hard drive and

> > replaced it and put back the original hard drive I could see where the

> metal

> > brackets could hit the start up button wire assembly.

> > It was working fine before I added a hard drive on it as a slave. I used

> it

> > to format a hard drive or erase a hard drive on another PC. Now this one

> is

> > not firing up, the Windows 98 SE Gateway PC.

> > I'm going to buy a start up assembly button, with wires. If that's not

> it,

> > then it's shorting out somehow.

> > Thanks, attilathehun1

> >

> > --

> > attilathehun1

> >

> > "." wrote:

> >

> > > Most common is green to either black or ground,

> > > but some boards, such as Dell's, may have other

> > > than standard pin assignments.

> > >

> > > "attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in

> message

> > > news:711F202D-4ECB-4559-AEAD-CB68A16234C4@microsoft.com...

> > > > I'm having problems starting up my PC at all. I think a wire is loose

> on

> > > the

> > > > power button assembly. The power supply works, because I tried on

> another

> > > PC

> > > > and it booted up. Isn't there a way to start your PC by touching 2

> points

> > > on

> > > > the motherboard? I took a PC class a while back and my teacher often

> > > started

> > > > his PC by touching 2 points on his motherboard with a screwdriver? If

> > > there

> > > > is a way to do that please tell me.

> > > > Thanks,

> > > attilathehun1

> > > > --

> > > > attilathehun1

>

May 8, 2008

Re: Starting up your PC

Yes, that's correct. Should you desire to confirm refer

to that already sent and this primer; I'd concur with any

suggestion that one shouldn't blindly accept the advice

given by an anonymous respondent on a newsgroup.

http://computer.howstuffworks.com/power-supply.htm

"attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:4EF0529B-E221-4D56-B922-BA4143BFFEC3@microsoft.com...

> Ok I see the green wire. It's on the P1 connector to the motherboard. So

> stick a paperclip into the green wire socket and then to the black wire

> socket? Ok, I'll give it a shot. Should I wait for your reply? Am I

correct

> or getting warm to the area that I should be using the paperclip? If I am

or

> not, please tell me. I'll wait before using the paperclip.

> Thanks,

attilathehun1

>

> --

> attilathehun1

>

> "." wrote:

>

> > I should have noticed when you said that you swapped

> > it that the PC fired up making it unlikely that it was a non-

> > standard unit (unless of course the two were of the same

> > mfg). In any case, you need not acquire another start

> > button, if the power supply won't turn on by jumpering

> > the green wire to one of the black wires at the 20/24

> > wire motherboard connector, another button won't be

> > useful in getting it started. Power supplies want to have

> > a load so be sure to do so (such as the four wire

> > connector on a (P)ATA hard drive) before firing it up.

> > http://www.techpowerup.com/articles/other/22

> > http://pinouts.ru/Power/atxpower_pinout.shtml

> >

> > "attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in

message

> > news:4FD5122B-9418-4785-9179-89D932D59649@microsoft.com...

> > > It's a gateway. An older model by the power supply that I bought for

it.

> > It

> > > has a pentium III CPU stock. I took off the power button assembly off

the

> > > front of the inner PC with one little screw, off the front panel. I

think

> > it

> > > may have a short, but I'm not sure. When I took out the hard drive and

> > > replaced it and put back the original hard drive I could see where the

> > metal

> > > brackets could hit the start up button wire assembly.

> > > It was working fine before I added a hard drive on it as a slave. I

used

> > it

> > > to format a hard drive or erase a hard drive on another PC. Now this

one

> > is

> > > not firing up, the Windows 98 SE Gateway PC.

> > > I'm going to buy a start up assembly button, with wires. If that's

not

> > it,

> > > then it's shorting out somehow.

> > > Thanks,

attilathehun1

> > >

> > > --

> > > attilathehun1

> > >

> > > "." wrote:

> > >

> > > > Most common is green to either black or ground,

> > > > but some boards, such as Dell's, may have other

> > > > than standard pin assignments.

> > > >

> > > > "attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in

> > message

> > > > news:711F202D-4ECB-4559-AEAD-CB68A16234C4@microsoft.com...

> > > > > I'm having problems starting up my PC at all. I think a wire is

loose

> > on

> > > > the

> > > > > power button assembly. The power supply works, because I tried on

> > another

> > > > PC

> > > > > and it booted up. Isn't there a way to start your PC by touching 2

> > points

> > > > on

> > > > > the motherboard? I took a PC class a while back and my teacher

often

> > > > started

> > > > > his PC by touching 2 points on his motherboard with a screwdriver?

If

> > > > there

> > > > > is a way to do that please tell me.

> > > > > Thanks,

> > > > attilathehun1

> > > > > --

> > > > > attilathehun1

May 9, 2008

Re: Starting up your PC

On May 8, 7:22 pm, attilathehun1

<attilatheh...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> Ok I see the green wire. It's on the P1 connector to the motherboard. So

> stick a paperclip into the green wire socket and then to the black wire

> socket? Ok, I'll give it a shot. Should I wait for your reply? Am I correct

> or getting warm to the area that I should be using the paperclip? If I am or

> not, please tell me. I'll wait before using the paperclip.

First, even if shorting wrong wires, no damage to power supply or

computer will occur. That is an industry standard requirement.

A computer good power supply can work in one machine and yet be

completely defective in another. And a defective power can boot a

computer. Just a few of many problems with shotgunning. It provides

nothing but a speculative answer.

A meter (less than $20 even in Kmart) could have answered all your

questions quickly or meant the next reply here 1) solved your problem

and 2) taught something useful.

Is a wire loose on the switch? Meter measuring voltage on that

green wire and on purple wire (both before and when power switch is

pressed) means my next response could have answered that.

Overal procedure is "When your computer dies without warning....."

starting 6 Feb 2007 in the newsgroup alt.windows-xp at:

http://tinyurl.com/yvf9vh

Connector chart to locate each color:

http://www.hardwarebook.net/connector/power/atxpower.html

In your case, the important numbers were from purple and green

wires. If those numbers were correct, then numbers from any one of

orange, red, and yellow wires are important. Is it the power supply,

or power supply controller, or loose switch, or ... the list of

suspects is long. Numbers from a less than two minute procedure would

have answered for everything almost immediately.

One accused Dell for using nonstandard connections. A problem from

most computer so cheap as to never intended for upgrade. Standard

computers (not constructed to cut costs) don't have this problem.

Dell got blamed here for the same thing that Gateway and so many

others also did - only because a human did not know the difference

between a standard computer and one designed to never be upgraded.

Standard pinouts are provided to alleviate any confusion.

When all done with the paper clip short, a useful answer still does

not exist – only speculation. Only definitive answer means numbers

from a meter – a tool so complex as to only be sold where people can

also use a hammer. Get numbers from a meter so that the better

informed here can acutally provide a useful reply.

May 9, 2008

Re: Starting up your PC

"w_tom" <w_tom1@usa.net> wrote in message

news:085bdaa7-444b-48fe-96dd-ae62c429f2d1@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...

On May 8, 7:22 pm, attilathehun1

<attilatheh...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> Ok I see the green wire. It's on the P1 connector to the motherboard. So

> stick a paperclip into the green wire socket and then to the black wire

> socket? Ok, I'll give it a shot. Should I wait for your reply? Am I

correct

> or getting warm to the area that I should be using the paperclip? If I am

or

> not, please tell me. I'll wait before using the paperclip.

First, even if shorting wrong wires, no damage to power supply or

computer will occur. That is an industry standard requirement.

A computer good power supply can work in one machine and yet be

completely defective in another. And a defective power can boot a

computer. Just a few of many problems with shotgunning. It provides

nothing but a speculative answer.

A meter (less than $20 even in Kmart) could have answered all your

questions quickly or meant the next reply here 1) solved your problem

and 2) taught something useful.

Is a wire loose on the switch? Meter measuring voltage on that

green wire and on purple wire (both before and when power switch is

pressed) means my next response could have answered that.

Overal procedure is "When your computer dies without warning....."

starting 6 Feb 2007 in the newsgroup alt.windows-xp at:

http://tinyurl.com/yvf9vh

Connector chart to locate each color:

http://www.hardwarebook.net/connector/power/atxpower.html

In your case, the important numbers were from purple and green

wires. If those numbers were correct, then numbers from any one of

orange, red, and yellow wires are important. Is it the power supply,

or power supply controller, or loose switch, or ... the list of

suspects is long. Numbers from a less than two minute procedure would

have answered for everything almost immediately.

One accused Dell for using nonstandard connections. A problem from

most computer so cheap as to never intended for upgrade. Standard

computers (not constructed to cut costs) don't have this problem.

Dell got blamed here for the same thing that Gateway and so many

others also did - only because a human did not know the difference

between a standard computer and one designed to never be upgraded.

Standard pinouts are provided to alleviate any confusion.

When all done with the paper clip short, a useful answer still does

not exist - only speculation. Only definitive answer means numbers

from a meter - a tool so complex as to only be sold where people can

also use a hammer. Get numbers from a meter so that the better

informed here can acutally provide a useful reply.

------------------------------------------------------------

And there you have a textbook example of superciliousness

(and yes, those not getting my point will rail about either the

hypocrisy or irony they perceive to reside in my next remarks).

Problems of the sort that the OP is having make it probable

that he wouldn't be a good candidate for explaining concepts

such as power factor, root mean square, wave form types,

alternating, fully rectified or pulsed DC current and probably

doesn't possess a quality meter (let alone oscilloscope) nor

would he likely be versed in its usage, so such an approach

is likely to be less than efficacious.

In that he described that the power supply had formerly been

functioning adequately and continued to do so after installing

into another computer (after the first experienced an issue), the

problem is very much less likely to be the PSU. His approach

would not have been mine but I was only attempting to respond

to his specific requests for how to "start your PC by touching

2 points". But in any case, to test voltages, he's going to first

have to somehow "turn on the power supply". If he still desires

additional info on power supplies, I suggest these primers:

http://www.motherboards.org/articles/guides/1487_1.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_power_supply

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switched-mode_power_supply

May 9, 2008

Re: Starting up your PC

"attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:711F202D-4ECB-4559-AEAD-CB68A16234C4@microsoft.com...

> I'm having problems starting up my PC at all. I think a wire is loose on the

> power button assembly. The power supply works, because I tried on another PC

> and it booted up. Isn't there a way to start your PC by touching 2 points on

> the motherboard? I took a PC class a while back and my teacher often started

> his PC by touching 2 points on his motherboard with a screwdriver? If there

> is a way to do that please tell me.

Please repost with more information, including what happens when the

computer is turned on.

Ben

May 9, 2008

Re: Starting up your PC

Ok, I did what you said. I stuck a paper clip into the P1 connector while it

was plugged in and it started. I stuck the paper clip into P1's green wire

and connected the other side of the paper clip to the black wire connector on

P1. Presto, it started. One thing though, the parallel strap to the hard

drive wasn't connected to the hard drive. The PC though did start up, but

nothing was on the monitor, of course.

I think either you or I are getting this backwards. There is no way I could

use a screw drive to do what I just did. I'm connecting the wires on the

actual P1 mobo connector on the power supply. I'm not even touching the

motherboard. I'm touching the P1 connector on the power supply. The two

points, one on the green wire, and one on the black wire with the paper clip

that I cut into a U.

Ok, I'm going to buy a power button I think. I'll wait for someone's reply

though.

Please, any help would be greatly appreciated and quicker the better. This

is taking up just too much of my time on this one deal.

I have another PC that was in the original spot that is causing the whole

problem. I just bought a motherboard from newegg.com for about 80 bucks out

the door. Wth shipping and handling, it's probably about 90 bucks altogether.

Thanks, attilathehun1

--

attilathehun1

"philo" wrote:

>

> "attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:4FD5122B-9418-4785-9179-89D932D59649@microsoft.com...

> > It's a gateway. An older model by the power supply that I bought for it.

> It

> > has a pentium III CPU stock. I took off the power button assembly off the

> > front of the inner PC with one little screw, off the front panel. I think

> it

> > may have a short, but I'm not sure. When I took out the hard drive and

> > replaced it and put back the original hard drive I could see where the

> metal

> > brackets could hit the start up button wire assembly.

> > It was working fine before I added a hard drive on it as a slave. I used

> it

> > to format a hard drive or erase a hard drive on another PC. Now this one

> is

> > not firing up, the Windows 98 SE Gateway PC.

> > I'm going to buy a start up assembly button, with wires. If that's not

> it,

> > then it's shorting out somehow.

> > Thanks, attilathehun1

> >

>

> Before you buy a new button

> just unplug the connector from the mobo and jump the two terminals together

> with a small screw driver...

> if the machine starts then your button may be bad

> otherwise your problem lies elsewhere

> you may have disturbed something when you added the HD

>

May 9, 2008

Re: Starting up your PC

Wait, I've been trying to stick the paper clip into the P1 connector while

it's connected to the motherboard. I think I'm doing something wrong? What

two points on the motherboard should I touch the screwdriver to? Or if that's

not it, please tell me where or what to do.

I've built PCs and fixed many. So, your not dealing with a noobie, so much,

here.

-- Thanks, attilathehun1

attilathehun1

"philo" wrote:

>

> "attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:4FD5122B-9418-4785-9179-89D932D59649@microsoft.com...

> > It's a gateway. An older model by the power supply that I bought for it.

> It

> > has a pentium III CPU stock. I took off the power button assembly off the

> > front of the inner PC with one little screw, off the front panel. I think

> it

> > may have a short, but I'm not sure. When I took out the hard drive and

> > replaced it and put back the original hard drive I could see where the

> metal

> > brackets could hit the start up button wire assembly.

> > It was working fine before I added a hard drive on it as a slave. I used

> it

> > to format a hard drive or erase a hard drive on another PC. Now this one

> is

> > not firing up, the Windows 98 SE Gateway PC.

> > I'm going to buy a start up assembly button, with wires. If that's not

> it,

> > then it's shorting out somehow.

> > Thanks, attilathehun1

> >

>

> Before you buy a new button

> just unplug the connector from the mobo and jump the two terminals together

> with a small screw driver...

> if the machine starts then your button may be bad

> otherwise your problem lies elsewhere

> you may have disturbed something when you added the HD

>

May 9, 2008

Re: Starting up your PC

I just want to find out if my power button assembly on the front panel works

or doesn't work. I want to fire up my PC without the power button on the

front panel. That's it. If it fires up then the problem is the power button

assembly. If it still doesn't fire up then the problem probably lies

elsewhere.

Thanks, attilathehun1

--

attilathehun1

"Ben Myers" wrote:

> "attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:711F202D-4ECB-4559-AEAD-CB68A16234C4@microsoft.com...

> > I'm having problems starting up my PC at all. I think a wire is loose on the

> > power button assembly. The power supply works, because I tried on another PC

> > and it booted up. Isn't there a way to start your PC by touching 2 points on

> > the motherboard? I took a PC class a while back and my teacher often started

> > his PC by touching 2 points on his motherboard with a screwdriver? If there

> > is a way to do that please tell me.

>

> Please repost with more information, including what happens when the

> computer is turned on.

>

> Ben

>

May 9, 2008

Re: Starting up your PC

"attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

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> Wait, I've been trying to stick the paper clip into the P1 connector while

> it's connected to the motherboard. I think I'm doing something wrong? What

> two points on the motherboard should I touch the screwdriver to? Or if

> that's

> not it, please tell me where or what to do.

> I've built PCs and fixed many. So, your not dealing with a noobie, so

> much,

> here.

The push-button "on" switch would have to connect to the motherboard

through a two-pin push-on connector.

Simply unplug the connector and momentarily short the two pins on the

motherboard

together.

If the machine starts up and runs fine,,,

then your switch or it's wiring is bad...

but if the machine does not start...then the problem is not related to the

push-button switch.

I'd test that before just going out and purchasing a new switch.

Check for anything you might have disturbed when you added the HD

May 9, 2008

Re: Starting up your PC

"philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message

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>

> "attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:A4FA4887-9427-456F-9334-D2DA1BE30768@microsoft.com...

> > Wait, I've been trying to stick the paper clip into the P1 connector

while

> > it's connected to the motherboard. I think I'm doing something wrong?

What

> > two points on the motherboard should I touch the screwdriver to? Or if

> > that's

> > not it, please tell me where or what to do.

> > I've built PCs and fixed many. So, your not dealing with a noobie, so

> > much,

> > here.

>

> The push-button "on" switch would have to connect to the motherboard

> through a two-pin push-on connector.

> Simply unplug the connector and momentarily short the two pins on the

> motherboard

> together.

> If the machine starts up and runs fine,,,

> then your switch or it's wiring is bad...

> but if the machine does not start...then the problem is not related to the

> push-button switch.

>

> I'd test that before just going out and purchasing a new switch.

>

> Check for anything you might have disturbed when you added the HD

>

Ever get the impression that you're being put-on? Could

anyone making the claim: "I've built PCs and fixed many.

So, your (sic) not dealing with a noobie, so much, here",

particularly after being spoonfed so much documented

information and assistance, REALLY be THAT inept?

May 9, 2008

Re: Starting up your PC

On May 9, 4:16 pm, attilathehun1

<attilatheh...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> I just want to find out if my power button assembly on the front panel works

> or doesn't work. I want to fire up my PC without the power button on the

> front panel. That's it. If it fires up then the problem is the power button

> assembly. If it still doesn't fire up then the problem probably lies

> elsewhere.

Take meter reading from the green and purple wires before and when

the switch is pressed. Now answers are definitive. If problems are

elsewhere, those numbers also point to where that elsewhere is. Don't

even begin yet to guess how numbers from a 15 second procedure answers

so much. Do the procedure to learn how much is obtained so quickly

and inexpensively - or why the Japanese describe same by saying "Don't

work harder; work smarter."

Today a power switch can powerup the machine. Tomorrow it does

not. Is that a defective power switch? Maybe yes and maybe no. If

green wire jumper powers the supply, does that mean the power switch

is bad or intermittent? Maybe yes or maybe no. IOW reports nothing

useful. Did you know about the power supply controller? 15 seconds

means numbers from green and purple wires so that a next reply is

definitive... no maybes.

Jumpering the green wire says nothing useful about the front power

button or power supply. That rather useful green wire test, in your

case, only creates more 'maybes'. Using a meter appears complex. The

task is as complex as touching a paper clip. But the resulting facts

are massive. Green wire jumper means nobody can provide useful posts

- can only post speculation. Numbers from that meter mean the next

post from the most technically informed answer definitively and

immediately.

May 10, 2008

Re: Starting up your PC

"." <.@dot.com> wrote in message news:uj3Vj.5928$UM3.2765@newsfe15.phx...

> "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message

> news:ety7fmhsIHA.5580@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> >

> > "attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in

message

> > news:A4FA4887-9427-456F-9334-D2DA1BE30768@microsoft.com...

> > > Wait, I've been trying to stick the paper clip into the P1 connector

> while

> > > it's connected to the motherboard. I think I'm doing something wrong?

> What

> > > two points on the motherboard should I touch the screwdriver to? Or if

> > > that's

> > > not it, please tell me where or what to do.

> > > I've built PCs and fixed many. So, your not dealing with a noobie, so

> > > much,

> > > here.

> >

> > The push-button "on" switch would have to connect to the motherboard

> > through a two-pin push-on connector.

> > Simply unplug the connector and momentarily short the two pins on the

> > motherboard

> > together.

> > If the machine starts up and runs fine,,,

> > then your switch or it's wiring is bad...

> > but if the machine does not start...then the problem is not related to

the

> > push-button switch.

> >

> > I'd test that before just going out and purchasing a new switch.

> >

> > Check for anything you might have disturbed when you added the HD

> >

>

> Ever get the impression that you're being put-on? Could

> anyone making the claim: "I've built PCs and fixed many.

> So, your (sic) not dealing with a noobie, so much, here",

> particularly after being spoonfed so much documented

> information and assistance, REALLY be THAT inept?

>

You've made a good point...

but in my circuitous way of thinking...

If someone needs asks for help...

they need help

(whether they need help or not)

If you see what I mean>

May 10, 2008

Re: Starting up your PC

Are you talking about the pin where the green wire goes and black wires go? I

tried that by putting a paper clip, after taking off the P1 connector, into

the spot where the green connector goes, I think the fourth slot over, and

then where the black wire goes, 5 to 7 different spots, but I choose the

fifth slot over right next to the green wire. So, I put a paper clip that I

bent into a U into the 4th and 5th slots and nothing happened. I think now

there is a short, or the motherboard is shot.

--

attilathehun1

"philo" wrote:

>

> "." <.@dot.com> wrote in message news:uj3Vj.5928$UM3.2765@newsfe15.phx...

> > "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message

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> > >

> > > "attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in

> message

> > > news:A4FA4887-9427-456F-9334-D2DA1BE30768@microsoft.com...

> > > > Wait, I've been trying to stick the paper clip into the P1 connector

> > while

> > > > it's connected to the motherboard. I think I'm doing something wrong?

> > What

> > > > two points on the motherboard should I touch the screwdriver to? Or if

> > > > that's

> > > > not it, please tell me where or what to do.

> > > > I've built PCs and fixed many. So, your not dealing with a noobie, so

> > > > much,

> > > > here.

> > >

> > > The push-button "on" switch would have to connect to the motherboard

> > > through a two-pin push-on connector.

> > > Simply unplug the connector and momentarily short the two pins on the

> > > motherboard

> > > together.

> > > If the machine starts up and runs fine,,,

> > > then your switch or it's wiring is bad...

> > > but if the machine does not start...then the problem is not related to

> the

> > > push-button switch.

> > >

> > > I'd test that before just going out and purchasing a new switch.

> > >

> > > Check for anything you might have disturbed when you added the HD

> > >

> >

> > Ever get the impression that you're being put-on? Could

> > anyone making the claim: "I've built PCs and fixed many.

> > So, your (sic) not dealing with a noobie, so much, here",

> > particularly after being spoonfed so much documented

> > information and assistance, REALLY be THAT inept?

> >

>

> You've made a good point...

> but in my circuitous way of thinking...

> If someone needs asks for help...

> they need help

> (whether they need help or not)

>

> If you see what I mean>

>

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