Starting your PC without the front panel power button

May 9, 2008

I'd like to know how to start up my PC without the front panel power button

assembly because my PC won't start or fire up. Nothing happens when I hit the

power button. The power supply works, so I figure it might be the power

button assembly that's the problem. I'm using a process of elimination to do

this and the power button assembly is next on the process of elimination.

Thanks, attilathehun1

--

attilathehun1

May 9, 2008

Re: Starting your PC without the front panel power button

"attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

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> I'd like to know how to start up my PC without the front panel power

button

> assembly because my PC won't start or fire up. Nothing happens when I hit

the

> power button. The power supply works, so I figure it might be the power

> button assembly that's the problem. I'm using a process of elimination to

do

> this and the power button assembly is next on the process of elimination.

Start buttons on the front panel are integral to modern PC

design since WinME appeared. (Some motherboards have no

rear panel power on/off switch: you must unplug from the mains to

power off.) Your first priority must be replacing the defective

front panel button assembly.

--

Don Phillipson

Carlsbad Springs

(Ottawa, Canada)

May 10, 2008

Re: Starting your PC without the front panel power button

Why did you start a new thread? If anyone here had an answer for you

different than those you've been receiving, they'd have posted it.

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://www.grystmill.com

"attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

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> I'd like to know how to start up my PC without the front panel power

> button

> assembly because my PC won't start or fire up. Nothing happens when I hit

> the

> power button. The power supply works, so I figure it might be the power

> button assembly that's the problem. I'm using a process of elimination to

> do

> this and the power button assembly is next on the process of elimination.

> Thanks, attilathehun1

> --

> attilathehun1

May 10, 2008

Re: Starting your PC without the front panel power button

Since you're really not in the least bit hardware savvy, and you can't seem

to follow fairly simple instructions, I suggest you take that machine to

someone who knows what they're doing.

How hard can it be to find out if pushing a button connects two wires or

not? Seems a lot easier than starting the mobo without the button.

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://www.grystmill.com

"attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:B88F3387-EAA8-43B0-9126-AE52F9655AB5@microsoft.com...

> I'd like to know how to start up my PC without the front panel power

> button

> assembly because my PC won't start or fire up. Nothing happens when I hit

> the

> power button. The power supply works, so I figure it might be the power

> button assembly that's the problem. I'm using a process of elimination to

> do

> this and the power button assembly is next on the process of elimination.

> Thanks, attilathehun1

> --

> attilathehun1

May 10, 2008

Re: Starting your PC without the front panel power button

I'm not going to bring the PC to someone who is going to do the same thing

as I'm going to do. Why should I pay someone who will just change the power

supply or front panel start up button assembly.

I've built many PCs and fixed many many more. I'm just asking here because

I know someone here knows more than I do. I can humble myself to someone and

admit that I don't know it all. But I'm not going to pay someone to do

something I can do myself.

My next project is building a laptop. I've heard once you've built a laptop

you can put a feather in your cap as a PC tech. Well I haven't built a laptop

yet and so I do need some advice that probably would save me bucks.

No, I have thought about bringing my PC to a PC tech and have done so in

the past, but they are not going to do anything different than what I can be

told here, or what I've done before or both.

Sure I am here asking just like all the other people. Why are all these

other threads going thru and are you telling them to bring their PCs to a PC

tech. Why not, I might get some business. LOL

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks, attilathehun1

PS I started a new thread because anyone who reads that is going to get

bored and by the time they get to the bottom where I want to know how to

start my PC without a start-up button. In fact, why don't YOU know the

answer, GARY?

I'd really like to know if you know the answer. It's in my PC notes

somewhere in my PC class notes.

--

attilathehun1

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

> Since you're really not in the least bit hardware savvy, and you can't seem

> to follow fairly simple instructions, I suggest you take that machine to

> someone who knows what they're doing.

>

> How hard can it be to find out if pushing a button connects two wires or

> not? Seems a lot easier than starting the mobo without the button.

>

> --

> Gary S. Terhune

> MS-MVP Shell/User

> http://www.grystmill.com

>

> "attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:B88F3387-EAA8-43B0-9126-AE52F9655AB5@microsoft.com...

> > I'd like to know how to start up my PC without the front panel power

> > button

> > assembly because my PC won't start or fire up. Nothing happens when I hit

> > the

> > power button. The power supply works, so I figure it might be the power

> > button assembly that's the problem. I'm using a process of elimination to

> > do

> > this and the power button assembly is next on the process of elimination.

> > Thanks, attilathehun1

> > --

> > attilathehun1

>

May 10, 2008

Re: Starting your PC without the front panel power button

I've not had the need to start a machine without the power button. But I

know how to use a continuity tester, so it would take me about ten seconds

to figure out if a button is working. In any case, if I DID need to start

the PC with a screw driver, the place to put it is damned obvious -- short

the pins that are usually connected to the power button. Doh!

Look, at least two people have done a very good job of telling you how to do

what you asked to do. Over and over again, as a matter of fact. Did you or

did you not figure it out? If you HAVE figured it out, why this thread? Just

to "share the moment"? If you STILL haven't figured out whether the power

button functions or not, you need someone else to either do it for you or

show you in person. Or maybe send you some photos. Meanwhile, I'd stay way

away from any laptops if I were you.

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://www.grystmill.com

"attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

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> I'm not going to bring the PC to someone who is going to do the same thing

> as I'm going to do. Why should I pay someone who will just change the

> power

> supply or front panel start up button assembly.

> I've built many PCs and fixed many many more. I'm just asking here because

> I know someone here knows more than I do. I can humble myself to someone

> and

> admit that I don't know it all. But I'm not going to pay someone to do

> something I can do myself.

> My next project is building a laptop. I've heard once you've built a

> laptop

> you can put a feather in your cap as a PC tech. Well I haven't built a

> laptop

> yet and so I do need some advice that probably would save me bucks.

> No, I have thought about bringing my PC to a PC tech and have done so in

> the past, but they are not going to do anything different than what I can

> be

> told here, or what I've done before or both.

> Sure I am here asking just like all the other people. Why are all these

> other threads going thru and are you telling them to bring their PCs to a

> PC

> tech. Why not, I might get some business. LOL

> Any help would be greatly appreciated.

> Thanks, attilathehun1

> PS I started a new thread because anyone who reads that is going to get

> bored and by the time they get to the bottom where I want to know how to

> start my PC without a start-up button. In fact, why don't YOU know the

> answer, GARY?

> I'd really like to know if you know the answer. It's in my PC notes

> somewhere in my PC class notes.

> --

> attilathehun1

>

> "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

>

>> Since you're really not in the least bit hardware savvy, and you can't

>> seem

>> to follow fairly simple instructions, I suggest you take that machine to

>> someone who knows what they're doing.

>>

>> How hard can it be to find out if pushing a button connects two wires or

>> not? Seems a lot easier than starting the mobo without the button.

>>

>> --

>> Gary S. Terhune

>> MS-MVP Shell/User

>> http://www.grystmill.com

>>

>> "attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in

>> message

>> news:B88F3387-EAA8-43B0-9126-AE52F9655AB5@microsoft.com...

>> > I'd like to know how to start up my PC without the front panel power

>> > button

>> > assembly because my PC won't start or fire up. Nothing happens when I

>> > hit

>> > the

>> > power button. The power supply works, so I figure it might be the power

>> > button assembly that's the problem. I'm using a process of elimination

>> > to

>> > do

>> > this and the power button assembly is next on the process of

>> > elimination.

>> > Thanks, attilathehun1

>> > --

>> > attilathehun1

>>

May 10, 2008

Re: Starting your PC without the front panel power button

On May 9, 10:37 pm, attilathehun1

<attilatheh...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> I'm not going to bring the PC to someone who is going to do the same thing

> as I'm going to do. Why should I pay someone who will just change the power

> supply or front panel start up button assembly.

If computer literate, then you also knew about the power supply

controller and what is 'integral' per Don Phillipson.

What will that 'someone' else do? Probably read voltages on green

and purple wire (only 15 seconds), then charge you thirty some dollars

labor to pinch a loose wire with needle nose pliers. You would fear

to even do those 15 seconds of labor?

Why did you start another discussion? Useful replies from that

previous discussion don't change only because you did not like

answers. Any useful answer requires you to do things you never did

before.

I concur with Gary. You are bound and determined to keep asking the

same question until someone posts what you want to hear. Spend the

money. Take that computer to someone who also knows about the power

supply controller - who does not fear to learn using numbers. Then

thinking through the problem is made redundant.

"." in that previous thread even provided citations that most any

computer literate person knows or learns from. Any child can assemble

a computer. It is why most computer techs do not even know how

electricity works. One need not know much about computers to assemble

one. Even the plugs are shaped different so that a child will not

connect wrong wires together. Anyone can assemble a PC.

Knowing why a computer works is best accomplished by following the

evidence - tracing a failure to its defect. With information from

".", one learns how that switch is integral to a power supply system.

Learned why shorting a green wire would not answer your question.

Learned why reposting the same question will only get the same

answers.

May 10, 2008

Re: Starting your PC without the front panel power button

"w_tom" <w_tom1@usa.net> wrote in message

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> On May 9, 10:37 pm, attilathehun1

> <attilatheh...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>

> "." in that previous thread even provided citations that most any

> computer literate person knows or learns from. Any child can assemble

> a computer. It is why most computer techs do not even know how

> electricity works. One need not know much about computers to assemble

> one. Even the plugs are shaped different so that a child will not

> connect wrong wires together. Anyone can assemble a PC.

Sure, anyone can assemble a PC, yet not everyone can assemble one to the specs

that it will operate properly. How electricity works has nothing to do with how

one builds a PC. Matching the proper components that work best together for the

users day to day activities is what "assembles" a good PC.

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May 10, 2008

Re: Starting your PC without the front panel power button

With your assertion that you've built and repaired many machines, you should

have the knowledge on how to properly test a circuit and/or component. Have you

had the thought to try testing with another startup switch to see if it will

power up the PC?

--

Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Windows Desktop User Experience }

Conflicts start where information lacks.

http://basconotw.mvps.org/

Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm

How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375

"attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:87F3A7F8-87AE-4B1E-860F-6302A66927BD@microsoft.com...

> I'm not going to bring the PC to someone who is going to do the same thing

> as I'm going to do. Why should I pay someone who will just change the power

> supply or front panel start up button assembly.

> I've built many PCs and fixed many many more. I'm just asking here because

> I know someone here knows more than I do. I can humble myself to someone and

> admit that I don't know it all. But I'm not going to pay someone to do

> something I can do myself.

> My next project is building a laptop. I've heard once you've built a laptop

> you can put a feather in your cap as a PC tech. Well I haven't built a laptop

> yet and so I do need some advice that probably would save me bucks.

> No, I have thought about bringing my PC to a PC tech and have done so in

> the past, but they are not going to do anything different than what I can be

> told here, or what I've done before or both.

> Sure I am here asking just like all the other people. Why are all these

> other threads going thru and are you telling them to bring their PCs to a PC

> tech. Why not, I might get some business. LOL

> Any help would be greatly appreciated.

> Thanks, attilathehun1

> PS I started a new thread because anyone who reads that is going to get

> bored and by the time they get to the bottom where I want to know how to

> start my PC without a start-up button. In fact, why don't YOU know the

> answer, GARY?

> I'd really like to know if you know the answer. It's in my PC notes

> somewhere in my PC class notes.

> --

> attilathehun1

>

> "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

>

>> Since you're really not in the least bit hardware savvy, and you can't seem

>> to follow fairly simple instructions, I suggest you take that machine to

>> someone who knows what they're doing.

>>

>> How hard can it be to find out if pushing a button connects two wires or

>> not? Seems a lot easier than starting the mobo without the button.

>>

>> --

>> Gary S. Terhune

>> MS-MVP Shell/User

>> http://www.grystmill.com

>>

>> "attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> news:B88F3387-EAA8-43B0-9126-AE52F9655AB5@microsoft.com...

>> > I'd like to know how to start up my PC without the front panel power

>> > button

>> > assembly because my PC won't start or fire up. Nothing happens when I hit

>> > the

>> > power button. The power supply works, so I figure it might be the power

>> > button assembly that's the problem. I'm using a process of elimination to

>> > do

>> > this and the power button assembly is next on the process of elimination.

>> > Thanks, attilathehun1

>> > --

>> > attilathehun1

>>

May 10, 2008

RE: Starting your PC without the front panel power button

Ok, I did and I know from trial and error. That's exactly how the last PC

tech did it when I brought it into him. In fact, he lied. I brought the PC

into him and told him I didn't want to pay the 25 dollars and just to buy a

power supply that fits the machine or something to that nature. He told me

don't worry, I'll do it just so we get it right and there will be no

problems.

Well I said ok, no probs go ahead then. When I saw the bill and said wtf is

this 25 bucks for? OH, that for me working on it. I said wtf I thought you

said you'd do it and just so it would be done right. The mother... ripped me

off. So, wtf am I to say in that situation. I paid him and told him this

would be the last time I brought my PC into this PC store.

Getting back to the problem, which had been made into a mountain from a

molehill, I did test it and yes the motherboard probably got damaged or

shorted out or ESD might have ruined it . I stuck the paperclip into the two

pin holes and nothing happened. So, I assume that's the problem.

See I've never had to do this before and I figured a little advice, plain

and simple, would be enough information. I guess not. Anotherwords, you (pl)

don't no how to do it. You don't no wtf you are talking about. See I've

encountered your kind. Read upwards.

Ok, thanks for nothing.

attilathehun1

See there are problems out there and lies from PC techs. I mean is it that

bad? I just wanted a confirmation, and if it's going to be that bad, then

forget it.

--

attilathehun1

"attilathehun1" wrote:

> I'd like to know how to start up my PC without the front panel power button

> assembly because my PC won't start or fire up. Nothing happens when I hit the

> power button. The power supply works, so I figure it might be the power

> button assembly that's the problem. I'm using a process of elimination to do

> this and the power button assembly is next on the process of elimination.

> Thanks, attilathehun1

> --

> attilathehun1

May 10, 2008

Re: Starting your PC without the front panel power button

One more thing, you said it yourself Gary. You've never had to start your

machine without the power button. I just simply wanted to know if it was the

power button assembly. Plain and simple. If it started without the power

button then my guess is the power button is the problem. That's it. Plain and

simple. I'm not here to diss anyone but when someone tells me to go to a PC

tech. For something that petty, no way in hell. I'm sorry. I'm not paying 25

bucks for that. I'll just do what they do.

Oh, change this, change that, change everything and finally they get it

right by a process of elimation.

I took a class a while back. The name was called PC Troubleshooting! Get

that through your head. PC Troubleshooting. No, I haven't had to start my PC

without the power button etiher Gary.

Thanks, attilathehun1

--

attilathehun1

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

> I've not had the need to start a machine without the power button. But I

> know how to use a continuity tester, so it would take me about ten seconds

> to figure out if a button is working. In any case, if I DID need to start

> the PC with a screw driver, the place to put it is damned obvious -- short

> the pins that are usually connected to the power button. Doh!

>

> Look, at least two people have done a very good job of telling you how to do

> what you asked to do. Over and over again, as a matter of fact. Did you or

> did you not figure it out? If you HAVE figured it out, why this thread? Just

> to "share the moment"? If you STILL haven't figured out whether the power

> button functions or not, you need someone else to either do it for you or

> show you in person. Or maybe send you some photos. Meanwhile, I'd stay way

> away from any laptops if I were you.

>

> --

> Gary S. Terhune

> MS-MVP Shell/User

> http://www.grystmill.com

>

> "attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:87F3A7F8-87AE-4B1E-860F-6302A66927BD@microsoft.com...

> > I'm not going to bring the PC to someone who is going to do the same thing

> > as I'm going to do. Why should I pay someone who will just change the

> > power

> > supply or front panel start up button assembly.

> > I've built many PCs and fixed many many more. I'm just asking here because

> > I know someone here knows more than I do. I can humble myself to someone

> > and

> > admit that I don't know it all. But I'm not going to pay someone to do

> > something I can do myself.

> > My next project is building a laptop. I've heard once you've built a

> > laptop

> > you can put a feather in your cap as a PC tech. Well I haven't built a

> > laptop

> > yet and so I do need some advice that probably would save me bucks.

> > No, I have thought about bringing my PC to a PC tech and have done so in

> > the past, but they are not going to do anything different than what I can

> > be

> > told here, or what I've done before or both.

> > Sure I am here asking just like all the other people. Why are all these

> > other threads going thru and are you telling them to bring their PCs to a

> > PC

> > tech. Why not, I might get some business. LOL

> > Any help would be greatly appreciated.

> > Thanks, attilathehun1

> > PS I started a new thread because anyone who reads that is going to get

> > bored and by the time they get to the bottom where I want to know how to

> > start my PC without a start-up button. In fact, why don't YOU know the

> > answer, GARY?

> > I'd really like to know if you know the answer. It's in my PC notes

> > somewhere in my PC class notes.

> > --

> > attilathehun1

> >

> > "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

> >

> >> Since you're really not in the least bit hardware savvy, and you can't

> >> seem

> >> to follow fairly simple instructions, I suggest you take that machine to

> >> someone who knows what they're doing.

> >>

> >> How hard can it be to find out if pushing a button connects two wires or

> >> not? Seems a lot easier than starting the mobo without the button.

> >>

> >> --

> >> Gary S. Terhune

> >> MS-MVP Shell/User

> >> http://www.grystmill.com

> >>

> >> "attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in

> >> message

> >> news:B88F3387-EAA8-43B0-9126-AE52F9655AB5@microsoft.com...

> >> > I'd like to know how to start up my PC without the front panel power

> >> > button

> >> > assembly because my PC won't start or fire up. Nothing happens when I

> >> > hit

> >> > the

> >> > power button. The power supply works, so I figure it might be the power

> >> > button assembly that's the problem. I'm using a process of elimination

> >> > to

> >> > do

> >> > this and the power button assembly is next on the process of

> >> > elimination.

> >> > Thanks, attilathehun1

> >> > --

> >> > attilathehun1

> >>

>

May 10, 2008

Re: Starting your PC without the front panel power button

attilathehun1 wrote:

> Ok, I did and I know from trial and error. That's exactly how the

> last PC tech did it when I brought it into him. In fact, he lied. I

> brought the PC into him and told him I didn't want to pay the 25

> dollars and just to buy a power supply that fits the machine or

> something to that nature.

You mean to say that with all your skill and experience you were unable to

go online and buy a power supply all by yourself? You might want to take

that PC class over again.

______________

> He told me don't worry, I'll do it just so

> we get it right and there will be no problems.

> Well I said ok, no probs go ahead then. When I saw the bill and said

> wtf is this 25 bucks for? OH, that for me working on it. I said wtf

> I thought you said you'd do it and just so it would be done right.

> The mother... ripped me off. So, wtf am I to say in that situation. I

> paid him and told him this would be the last time I brought my PC

> into this PC store.

Somehow, I doubt that he cares.

________________

> Anotherwords, you (pl) don't no how to do it.

The phrase is, "in other words".

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May 10, 2008

Re: Starting your PC without the front panel power button

I probably never WILL start a machine by touching a screwdriver to some

pins. It's a damned stupid thing to do and that teacher was an idiot to show

off like that in front of a bunch of newbies.

Were you not told, in the previous thread, how to do what you want to do? If

not, are you happy now that I've told you how? Do you have a continuity

tester? If not, go buy one. They're cheap. Actually, better to buy a real

multi-tester (they're cheap, too) and use the ohmmeter for continuity

testing.

Seriously, you claim to know at least SOMETHING about computer hardware,

electricity, electronics, etc., yet you can't figure out how to test a power

button, or even deduce from the obvious which pins one might touch with a

screwdriver to turn the machine on.

First thing you should do is stop pretending you know anything about

computers. Even if you do know some, pretend you don't. Because you don't

enough to be safely rummaging around in a case, sticking paperclips here and

there, and I don't know what. I don't care that you took a class, you don't

appear to have any basics in electricity and/or electronics, and that makes

your class in T-shooting worthless. Worse than worthless. You now think you

know something and you don't. You don't know enough to figure it out

yourself, you don't know enough to understand directions that were given to

you, not even on a page with pictures to show you.

And HOW DO YOU KNOW THE POWER SUPPLY IS GOOD?

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://www.grystmill.com

"attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:3F169762-E3E4-417F-981A-91E491CDBE14@microsoft.com...

> One more thing, you said it yourself Gary. You've never had to start your

> machine without the power button. I just simply wanted to know if it was

> the

> power button assembly. Plain and simple. If it started without the power

> button then my guess is the power button is the problem. That's it. Plain

> and

> simple. I'm not here to diss anyone but when someone tells me to go to a

> PC

> tech. For something that petty, no way in hell. I'm sorry. I'm not paying

> 25

> bucks for that. I'll just do what they do.

> Oh, change this, change that, change everything and finally they get it

> right by a process of elimation.

> I took a class a while back. The name was called PC Troubleshooting! Get

> that through your head. PC Troubleshooting. No, I haven't had to start my

> PC

> without the power button etiher Gary.

> Thanks,

> attilathehun1

> --

> attilathehun1

>

> "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

>

>> I've not had the need to start a machine without the power button. But I

>> know how to use a continuity tester, so it would take me about ten

>> seconds

>> to figure out if a button is working. In any case, if I DID need to start

>> the PC with a screw driver, the place to put it is damned obvious --

>> short

>> the pins that are usually connected to the power button. Doh!

>>

>> Look, at least two people have done a very good job of telling you how to

>> do

>> what you asked to do. Over and over again, as a matter of fact. Did you

>> or

>> did you not figure it out? If you HAVE figured it out, why this thread?

>> Just

>> to "share the moment"? If you STILL haven't figured out whether the power

>> button functions or not, you need someone else to either do it for you or

>> show you in person. Or maybe send you some photos. Meanwhile, I'd stay

>> way

>> away from any laptops if I were you.

>>

>> --

>> Gary S. Terhune

>> MS-MVP Shell/User

>> http://www.grystmill.com

>>

>> "attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in

>> message

>> news:87F3A7F8-87AE-4B1E-860F-6302A66927BD@microsoft.com...

>> > I'm not going to bring the PC to someone who is going to do the same

>> > thing

>> > as I'm going to do. Why should I pay someone who will just change the

>> > power

>> > supply or front panel start up button assembly.

>> > I've built many PCs and fixed many many more. I'm just asking here

>> > because

>> > I know someone here knows more than I do. I can humble myself to

>> > someone

>> > and

>> > admit that I don't know it all. But I'm not going to pay someone to do

>> > something I can do myself.

>> > My next project is building a laptop. I've heard once you've built a

>> > laptop

>> > you can put a feather in your cap as a PC tech. Well I haven't built a

>> > laptop

>> > yet and so I do need some advice that probably would save me bucks.

>> > No, I have thought about bringing my PC to a PC tech and have done so

>> > in

>> > the past, but they are not going to do anything different than what I

>> > can

>> > be

>> > told here, or what I've done before or both.

>> > Sure I am here asking just like all the other people. Why are all these

>> > other threads going thru and are you telling them to bring their PCs to

>> > a

>> > PC

>> > tech. Why not, I might get some business. LOL

>> > Any help would be greatly appreciated.

>> > Thanks,

>> > attilathehun1

>> > PS I started a new thread because anyone who reads that is going to get

>> > bored and by the time they get to the bottom where I want to know how

>> > to

>> > start my PC without a start-up button. In fact, why don't YOU know the

>> > answer, GARY?

>> > I'd really like to know if you know the answer. It's in my PC notes

>> > somewhere in my PC class notes.

>> > --

>> > attilathehun1

>> >

>> > "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

>> >

>> >> Since you're really not in the least bit hardware savvy, and you can't

>> >> seem

>> >> to follow fairly simple instructions, I suggest you take that machine

>> >> to

>> >> someone who knows what they're doing.

>> >>

>> >> How hard can it be to find out if pushing a button connects two wires

>> >> or

>> >> not? Seems a lot easier than starting the mobo without the button.

>> >>

>> >> --

>> >> Gary S. Terhune

>> >> MS-MVP Shell/User

>> >> http://www.grystmill.com

>> >>

>> >> "attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in

>> >> message

>> >> news:B88F3387-EAA8-43B0-9126-AE52F9655AB5@microsoft.com...

>> >> > I'd like to know how to start up my PC without the front panel power

>> >> > button

>> >> > assembly because my PC won't start or fire up. Nothing happens when

>> >> > I

>> >> > hit

>> >> > the

>> >> > power button. The power supply works, so I figure it might be the

>> >> > power

>> >> > button assembly that's the problem. I'm using a process of

>> >> > elimination

>> >> > to

>> >> > do

>> >> > this and the power button assembly is next on the process of

>> >> > elimination.

>> >> > Thanks, attilathehun1

>> >> > --

>> >> > attilathehun1

>> >>

>>

May 10, 2008

Re: Starting your PC without the front panel power button

Boo-hoo-hoo. Here's a Kleenex. Now, blow. Good boy!

Have you figured out if the power button works or not? Or are you too cheap

to buy a multi-tester?

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://www.grystmill.com

"attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:E2FA0310-D0A4-48ED-960C-6500BB8C4021@microsoft.com...

> Ok, I did and I know from trial and error. That's exactly how the last PC

> tech did it when I brought it into him. In fact, he lied. I brought the PC

> into him and told him I didn't want to pay the 25 dollars and just to buy

> a

> power supply that fits the machine or something to that nature. He told me

> don't worry, I'll do it just so we get it right and there will be no

> problems.

> Well I said ok, no probs go ahead then. When I saw the bill and said wtf

> is

> this 25 bucks for? OH, that for me working on it. I said wtf I thought

> you

> said you'd do it and just so it would be done right. The mother... ripped

> me

> off. So, wtf am I to say in that situation. I paid him and told him this

> would be the last time I brought my PC into this PC store.

> Getting back to the problem, which had been made into a mountain from a

> molehill, I did test it and yes the motherboard probably got damaged or

> shorted out or ESD might have ruined it . I stuck the paperclip into the

> two

> pin holes and nothing happened. So, I assume that's the problem.

> See I've never had to do this before and I figured a little advice, plain

> and simple, would be enough information. I guess not. Anotherwords, you

> (pl)

> don't no how to do it. You don't no wtf you are talking about. See I've

> encountered your kind. Read upwards.

> Ok, thanks for nothing.

> attilathehun1

>

> See there are problems out there and lies from PC techs. I mean is it that

> bad? I just wanted a confirmation, and if it's going to be that bad, then

> forget it.

>

> --

> attilathehun1

>

> "attilathehun1" wrote:

>

>> I'd like to know how to start up my PC without the front panel power

>> button

>> assembly because my PC won't start or fire up. Nothing happens when I hit

>> the

>> power button. The power supply works, so I figure it might be the power

>> button assembly that's the problem. I'm using a process of elimination to

>> do

>> this and the power button assembly is next on the process of elimination.

>> Thanks, attilathehun1

>> --

>> attilathehun1

May 10, 2008

Re: Starting your PC without the front panel power button

Look, all I wanted to do was get a simple answer to where I touch the screw

driver. I know my motherboard. There is no way I can use a screw driver from

the answers you have given. You haven't given me a right on answer, straight,

for example, touch the screw driver from the battery to the point where the

start up button assembly plugs into the motherboard. Or take a paper clip and

stick it into the connector where the P1 power supply connector goes in.

Nothing like that has been told to me. All these answers are vague. Someone

give a staight up answer.

And yes I did go out and buy a power supply for 10 bucks, a used one that

works on a Gateway. Also, I do have a multi-meter that I use to test

batteries. No one has told me to take the multi-meter and touch it to a

certain spot on the power supply and take a reading. Or no one has said to me

to take the multi-meter and take a reading from the connector on the

motherboard while the P1 is plugged in or whatever. All these answers are in

the grey area.

Anyone would get upset with these answers after someone saying you don't

know your elbow from you know what and then saying to take your PC to a PC

tech.

I just want some definite answers. Just the way I would answer someone who

asked a question if I knew the answer.

Thanks, attilathehun1

--

attilathehun1

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

> Boo-hoo-hoo. Here's a Kleenex. Now, blow. Good boy!

>

> Have you figured out if the power button works or not? Or are you too cheap

> to buy a multi-tester?

>

> --

> Gary S. Terhune

> MS-MVP Shell/User

> http://www.grystmill.com

>

> "attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:E2FA0310-D0A4-48ED-960C-6500BB8C4021@microsoft.com...

> > Ok, I did and I know from trial and error. That's exactly how the last PC

> > tech did it when I brought it into him. In fact, he lied. I brought the PC

> > into him and told him I didn't want to pay the 25 dollars and just to buy

> > a

> > power supply that fits the machine or something to that nature. He told me

> > don't worry, I'll do it just so we get it right and there will be no

> > problems.

> > Well I said ok, no probs go ahead then. When I saw the bill and said wtf

> > is

> > this 25 bucks for? OH, that for me working on it. I said wtf I thought

> > you

> > said you'd do it and just so it would be done right. The mother... ripped

> > me

> > off. So, wtf am I to say in that situation. I paid him and told him this

> > would be the last time I brought my PC into this PC store.

> > Getting back to the problem, which had been made into a mountain from a

> > molehill, I did test it and yes the motherboard probably got damaged or

> > shorted out or ESD might have ruined it . I stuck the paperclip into the

> > two

> > pin holes and nothing happened. So, I assume that's the problem.

> > See I've never had to do this before and I figured a little advice, plain

> > and simple, would be enough information. I guess not. Anotherwords, you

> > (pl)

> > don't no how to do it. You don't no wtf you are talking about. See I've

> > encountered your kind. Read upwards.

> > Ok, thanks for nothing.

> > attilathehun1

> >

> > See there are problems out there and lies from PC techs. I mean is it that

> > bad? I just wanted a confirmation, and if it's going to be that bad, then

> > forget it.

> >

> > --

> > attilathehun1

> >

> > "attilathehun1" wrote:

> >

> >> I'd like to know how to start up my PC without the front panel power

> >> button

> >> assembly because my PC won't start or fire up. Nothing happens when I hit

> >> the

> >> power button. The power supply works, so I figure it might be the power

> >> button assembly that's the problem. I'm using a process of elimination to

> >> do

> >> this and the power button assembly is next on the process of elimination.

> >> Thanks, attilathehun1

> >> --

> >> attilathehun1

>

May 10, 2008

Re: Starting your PC without the front panel power button

Ok, I've read through all the messages and the closest someone has come to a

definite answer is : just unplug the connector from the mobo and jump the two

terminals together with a small screwdriver. Now what two terminals? You mean

the P1 connector to the spot where it goes into the mobo? You have to be a

bit more definite. I don't want to mess up the PC by trial and error with a

screwdriver.

That's it. A simple answer like: take off the P1 connector and touch the P1

connector to the spot on the mobo where it was just conected with a small

screwdriver. Touch the two together forming a connection instead of having

the connection plugged in. Form the connection with the screwdriver with the

P1 unconnected to the mobo.

That's it. A definite answer

Anyone with a definite answer will be greatly and I say greatly

appreciated.

Thanks, attilathehun1

--

attilathehun1

"w_tom" wrote:

> On May 9, 10:37 pm, attilathehun1

> <attilatheh...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> > I'm not going to bring the PC to someone who is going to do the same thing

> > as I'm going to do. Why should I pay someone who will just change the power

> > supply or front panel start up button assembly.

>

> If computer literate, then you also knew about the power supply

> controller and what is 'integral' per Don Phillipson.

>

> What will that 'someone' else do? Probably read voltages on green

> and purple wire (only 15 seconds), then charge you thirty some dollars

> labor to pinch a loose wire with needle nose pliers. You would fear

> to even do those 15 seconds of labor?

>

> Why did you start another discussion? Useful replies from that

> previous discussion don't change only because you did not like

> answers. Any useful answer requires you to do things you never did

> before.

>

> I concur with Gary. You are bound and determined to keep asking the

> same question until someone posts what you want to hear. Spend the

> money. Take that computer to someone who also knows about the power

> supply controller - who does not fear to learn using numbers. Then

> thinking through the problem is made redundant.

>

> "." in that previous thread even provided citations that most any

> computer literate person knows or learns from. Any child can assemble

> a computer. It is why most computer techs do not even know how

> electricity works. One need not know much about computers to assemble

> one. Even the plugs are shaped different so that a child will not

> connect wrong wires together. Anyone can assemble a PC.

>

> Knowing why a computer works is best accomplished by following the

> evidence - tracing a failure to its defect. With information from

> ".", one learns how that switch is integral to a power supply system.

> Learned why shorting a green wire would not answer your question.

> Learned why reposting the same question will only get the same

> answers.

>

May 10, 2008

Re: Starting your PC without the front panel power button

Ok, now I figured it out. Take off the connector where the power up button

assembly goes into the motherboard and take a small screwdriver and touch the

prongs on the mobo where the connector goes in. I just tried that on my

Compaq and it started without the power button assembly plugged in. I hope

now if I turn it off that I didn't ruin my PC. Ok it turned off and I tried

it again and nope it didn't start by touching the prongs together at that

point, or I was touching them wrong. Ok, I'll wait for a definite answer to

the question.

How do I have to, oh forget it. I'm fed up with these vague answers.

Anyone out there with a definite answer, you will be remembered as someone

with a brain if you give an answer that is straight to the point.

Thanks, attilathehun1

--

attilathehun1

"w_tom" wrote:

> On May 9, 10:37 pm, attilathehun1

> <attilatheh...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> > I'm not going to bring the PC to someone who is going to do the same thing

> > as I'm going to do. Why should I pay someone who will just change the power

> > supply or front panel start up button assembly.

>

> If computer literate, then you also knew about the power supply

> controller and what is 'integral' per Don Phillipson.

>

> What will that 'someone' else do? Probably read voltages on green

> and purple wire (only 15 seconds), then charge you thirty some dollars

> labor to pinch a loose wire with needle nose pliers. You would fear

> to even do those 15 seconds of labor?

>

> Why did you start another discussion? Useful replies from that

> previous discussion don't change only because you did not like

> answers. Any useful answer requires you to do things you never did

> before.

>

> I concur with Gary. You are bound and determined to keep asking the

> same question until someone posts what you want to hear. Spend the

> money. Take that computer to someone who also knows about the power

> supply controller - who does not fear to learn using numbers. Then

> thinking through the problem is made redundant.

>

> "." in that previous thread even provided citations that most any

> computer literate person knows or learns from. Any child can assemble

> a computer. It is why most computer techs do not even know how

> electricity works. One need not know much about computers to assemble

> one. Even the plugs are shaped different so that a child will not

> connect wrong wires together. Anyone can assemble a PC.

>

> Knowing why a computer works is best accomplished by following the

> evidence - tracing a failure to its defect. With information from

> ".", one learns how that switch is integral to a power supply system.

> Learned why shorting a green wire would not answer your question.

> Learned why reposting the same question will only get the same

> answers.

>

May 10, 2008

Re: Starting your PC without the front panel power button

You don't stick a paperclip anywhere. And I don't see where you even got

that. Not from any of the posts or webpages in that last thread.

Philo told you exactly how to do what you asked to do. And you didn't do it.

You did something else using paper clips (which Philo made no mention of.)

What is so hard to understand when a person tells you to remove a plug and

short the two PINS that it covered. (To "short" two pins is to make a

connection between them, like with a screwdriver, though I guess you thought

a bent paper clip works better. I don't know.) The two pins for the power

button are adjacent, which should make using a screwdriver to short them

easy (even if it is a stupid move.) From what you write, you seem to think

the two pins are not adjacent. Please review and then explain.

Looking back at that specific part of the thread, where Philo first got

involved, your question was answered perfectly, you followed his

instructions completely wrongly, yet it all worked as advertised. But that's

a backwards way of testing the power button. To test the button, you use a

continuity tester (the resistance testing/OHM meter part of your

multimeter.) Stick a lead into each socket of the plug that connects to the

mobo, press the button and see if the needle moves to zero or close to it.

If it does, the button is OK. If it doesn't, make sure your connections are

correct and that metal is touching metal, and try a couple more times to be

sure. Then give up and go get a new button.

Since you mention the possibility that while installing your new used power

supply the brackets dinged the power button or the wires, whatever. Have you

inspected the wires and power button to see if there's any visible damage?

Honestly, and in the friendliest way I can manage -- You don't know enough

about electricity to go very far in the computer tech world. I suggest you

take several more classes, starting with the basics. Better yet, get a job

in a computer shop (not a big-box store, you want a local no-name computer

shop.) In your current state, you're a danger to yourself and anyone

standing nearby.

And no, this newsgroup is not the place to get such a basic education. Such

education requires lots of equipment and good instructors looking over your

shoulder (and a year or two.)

Oh yeah.... Why did you buy a new motherboard? To replace this one we've

been talking about?

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://www.grystmill.com

"attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:AB38BEB6-9100-4E3E-BC5A-96FF622FF63B@microsoft.com...

> Look, all I wanted to do was get a simple answer to where I touch the

> screw

> driver. I know my motherboard. There is no way I can use a screw driver

> from

> the answers you have given. You haven't given me a right on answer,

> straight,

> for example, touch the screw driver from the battery to the point where

> the

> start up button assembly plugs into the motherboard. Or take a paper clip

> and

> stick it into the connector where the P1 power supply connector goes in.

> Nothing like that has been told to me. All these answers are vague.

> Someone

> give a staight up answer.

> And yes I did go out and buy a power supply for 10 bucks, a used one that

> works on a Gateway. Also, I do have a multi-meter that I use to test

> batteries. No one has told me to take the multi-meter and touch it to a

> certain spot on the power supply and take a reading. Or no one has said to

> me

> to take the multi-meter and take a reading from the connector on the

> motherboard while the P1 is plugged in or whatever. All these answers are

> in

> the grey area.

> Anyone would get upset with these answers after someone saying you don't

> know your elbow from you know what and then saying to take your PC to a PC

> tech.

> I just want some definite answers. Just the way I would answer someone who

> asked a question if I knew the answer.

> Thanks,

> attilathehun1

> --

> attilathehun1

>

> "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

>

>> Boo-hoo-hoo. Here's a Kleenex. Now, blow. Good boy!

>>

>> Have you figured out if the power button works or not? Or are you too

>> cheap

>> to buy a multi-tester?

>>

>> --

>> Gary S. Terhune

>> MS-MVP Shell/User

>> http://www.grystmill.com

>>

>> "attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in

>> message

>> news:E2FA0310-D0A4-48ED-960C-6500BB8C4021@microsoft.com...

>> > Ok, I did and I know from trial and error. That's exactly how the last

>> > PC

>> > tech did it when I brought it into him. In fact, he lied. I brought the

>> > PC

>> > into him and told him I didn't want to pay the 25 dollars and just to

>> > buy

>> > a

>> > power supply that fits the machine or something to that nature. He told

>> > me

>> > don't worry, I'll do it just so we get it right and there will be no

>> > problems.

>> > Well I said ok, no probs go ahead then. When I saw the bill and said

>> > wtf

>> > is

>> > this 25 bucks for? OH, that for me working on it. I said wtf I thought

>> > you

>> > said you'd do it and just so it would be done right. The mother...

>> > ripped

>> > me

>> > off. So, wtf am I to say in that situation. I paid him and told him

>> > this

>> > would be the last time I brought my PC into this PC store.

>> > Getting back to the problem, which had been made into a mountain from a

>> > molehill, I did test it and yes the motherboard probably got damaged or

>> > shorted out or ESD might have ruined it . I stuck the paperclip into

>> > the

>> > two

>> > pin holes and nothing happened. So, I assume that's the problem.

>> > See I've never had to do this before and I figured a little advice,

>> > plain

>> > and simple, would be enough information. I guess not. Anotherwords, you

>> > (pl)

>> > don't no how to do it. You don't no wtf you are talking about. See I've

>> > encountered your kind. Read upwards.

>> > Ok, thanks for nothing.

>> > attilathehun1

>> >

>> > See there are problems out there and lies from PC techs. I mean is it

>> > that

>> > bad? I just wanted a confirmation, and if it's going to be that bad,

>> > then

>> > forget it.

>> >

>> > --

>> > attilathehun1

>> >

>> > "attilathehun1" wrote:

>> >

>> >> I'd like to know how to start up my PC without the front panel power

>> >> button

>> >> assembly because my PC won't start or fire up. Nothing happens when I

>> >> hit

>> >> the

>> >> power button. The power supply works, so I figure it might be the

>> >> power

>> >> button assembly that's the problem. I'm using a process of elimination

>> >> to

>> >> do

>> >> this and the power button assembly is next on the process of

>> >> elimination.

>> >> Thanks, attilathehun1

>> >> --

>> >> attilathehun1

>>

May 10, 2008

Re: Starting your PC without the front panel power button

Straight up answer, read it twice if necessary.

The CASE has/should have a power supply button which has *two leads/wires*

running to the ATX style motherboard [AT style testing is slightly

different, these power buttons are NOT momentary but provide constant

connection].

IF ATX SYLE:

These two leads connect to two pins on the motherboard. WHERE these two

pins connect IS the testing position where you EITHER use the paper clip

WITHOUT uninstalling the connector, push the paperclip into the two holes IN

the connector next two each of the two wires MOMENTARILY, OR where you place

the multi-meter leads to test for voltage BEFORE OR AFTER removing the

connector. IF the computer boots you MAY have a bad switch OR a bad

connection.

ALSO using the multi-meter and AFTER removing the two wire connector, place

the leads from the multi-meter into the connector from the power switch and

test for connection using the *continuity* testing aspect of the meter OR

using one of the *KOHM* settings AND *while pressing the button and

releasing*. IF you get a reading OTHER THAN 0 [zero] or the default

unconnected display, the button is good OR if the continuity test

BEEPS/alarms or flashes a light [depends on the meter] you have a good

button {usually}.

IF the button tests okay, and the temporary connection [paper clip or

{shudder} screwdriver} DID NOT turn on the computer you either have a bad

motherboard [or one of its components] OR a bad power supply.

FOR THE SCREWDRIVER APPROACH: momentarily touch the two exposed pins on the

motherboard from where you disconnected the power switch leads. BE CAREFULL,

this is not a recommended procedure as a slip MIGHT contact other parts of

the board electronics causing a DIRECT SHORT or other damage.

IF AT STYLE:

IF it is an AT style board, the preferred method is to create a

shunt/jumper, a plain wire WITHOUT exposed wires, which you push onto the

pins for completed constant connection. This is placed WITH THE POWER

COMPLETELY DISCONNECTED. IF this works, then replace the shunt/jumper with a

new switch.

You stated, I think, that you replaced the board, did you replace the

GROUNDING screw in the right hole and connection on the case and

motherboard?

--

MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

--

_________

"attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:AB38BEB6-9100-4E3E-BC5A-96FF622FF63B@microsoft.com...

| Look, all I wanted to do was get a simple answer to where I touch the

screw

| driver. I know my motherboard. There is no way I can use a screw driver

from

| the answers you have given. You haven't given me a right on answer,

straight,

| for example, touch the screw driver from the battery to the point where

the

| start up button assembly plugs into the motherboard. Or take a paper clip

and

| stick it into the connector where the P1 power supply connector goes in.

| Nothing like that has been told to me. All these answers are vague.

Someone

| give a staight up answer.

| And yes I did go out and buy a power supply for 10 bucks, a used one that

| works on a Gateway. Also, I do have a multi-meter that I use to test

| batteries. No one has told me to take the multi-meter and touch it to a

| certain spot on the power supply and take a reading. Or no one has said to

me

| to take the multi-meter and take a reading from the connector on the

| motherboard while the P1 is plugged in or whatever. All these answers are

in

| the grey area.

| Anyone would get upset with these answers after someone saying you don't

| know your elbow from you know what and then saying to take your PC to a PC

| tech.

| I just want some definite answers. Just the way I would answer someone

who

| asked a question if I knew the answer.

| Thanks,

attilathehun1

| --

| attilathehun1

|

| "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

|

| > Boo-hoo-hoo. Here's a Kleenex. Now, blow. Good boy!

| >

| > Have you figured out if the power button works or not? Or are you too

cheap

| > to buy a multi-tester?

| >

| > --

| > Gary S. Terhune

| > MS-MVP Shell/User

| > http://www.grystmill.com

| >

| > "attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in

message

| > news:E2FA0310-D0A4-48ED-960C-6500BB8C4021@microsoft.com...

| > > Ok, I did and I know from trial and error. That's exactly how the last

PC

| > > tech did it when I brought it into him. In fact, he lied. I brought

the PC

| > > into him and told him I didn't want to pay the 25 dollars and just to

buy

| > > a

| > > power supply that fits the machine or something to that nature. He

told me

| > > don't worry, I'll do it just so we get it right and there will be no

| > > problems.

| > > Well I said ok, no probs go ahead then. When I saw the bill and said

wtf

| > > is

| > > this 25 bucks for? OH, that for me working on it. I said wtf I

thought

| > > you

| > > said you'd do it and just so it would be done right. The mother...

ripped

| > > me

| > > off. So, wtf am I to say in that situation. I paid him and told him

this

| > > would be the last time I brought my PC into this PC store.

| > > Getting back to the problem, which had been made into a mountain from

a

| > > molehill, I did test it and yes the motherboard probably got damaged

or

| > > shorted out or ESD might have ruined it . I stuck the paperclip into

the

| > > two

| > > pin holes and nothing happened. So, I assume that's the problem.

| > > See I've never had to do this before and I figured a little advice,

plain

| > > and simple, would be enough information. I guess not. Anotherwords,

you

| > > (pl)

| > > don't no how to do it. You don't no wtf you are talking about. See

I've

| > > encountered your kind. Read upwards.

| > > Ok, thanks for nothing.

| > > attilathehun1

| > >

| > > See there are problems out there and lies from PC techs. I mean is it

that

| > > bad? I just wanted a confirmation, and if it's going to be that bad,

then

| > > forget it.

| > >

| > > --

| > > attilathehun1

| > >

| > > "attilathehun1" wrote:

| > >

| > >> I'd like to know how to start up my PC without the front panel power

| > >> button

| > >> assembly because my PC won't start or fire up. Nothing happens when I

hit

| > >> the

| > >> power button. The power supply works, so I figure it might be the

power

| > >> button assembly that's the problem. I'm using a process of

elimination to

| > >> do

| > >> this and the power button assembly is next on the process of

elimination.

| > >> Thanks, attilathehun1

| > >> --

| > >> attilathehun1

| >

May 10, 2008

Re: Starting your PC without the front panel power button

That's the definite answer, the one Philo gave you a long time ago (and

which you didn't understand then) and it is NOT anyone else's fault that you

don't know enough to understand that answer. That you need it explained in

kindergarten detail and in several different ways is a sign that you need to

go back to a real school, not try to hang here with the big boys and girls.

This is ELECTRICITY we're talking about and it can KILL YOU!!! That's worst

case. Best case is you squeak through OK. Likely outcome is another fried

component, or one just damaged by you when you're doing something else and

not paying attention (which is what it sounds like happened to your power

switch.

But, as I said elsewhere, using a screwdriver to short pins inside a box

that has live juice running to it is a fool's move. If you want to know if

the power button is working, the best thing to do is test the power button.

Does that make just a little sense to you?

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://www.grystmill.com

"attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:51FC4614-4754-4961-A977-1FFCC1B31D4D@microsoft.com...

> Ok, I've read through all the messages and the closest someone has come to

> a

> definite answer is : just unplug the connector from the mobo and jump the

> two

> terminals together with a small screwdriver. Now what two terminals? You

> mean

> the P1 connector to the spot where it goes into the mobo? You have to be a

> bit more definite. I don't want to mess up the PC by trial and error with

> a

> screwdriver.

> That's it. A simple answer like: take off the P1 connector and touch the

> P1

> connector to the spot on the mobo where it was just conected with a small

> screwdriver. Touch the two together forming a connection instead of having

> the connection plugged in. Form the connection with the screwdriver with

> the

> P1 unconnected to the mobo.

> That's it. A definite answer

> Anyone with a definite answer will be greatly and I say greatly

> appreciated.

> Thanks, attilathehun1

>

> --

> attilathehun1

>

> "w_tom" wrote:

>

>> On May 9, 10:37 pm, attilathehun1

>> <attilatheh...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>> > I'm not going to bring the PC to someone who is going to do the same

>> > thing

>> > as I'm going to do. Why should I pay someone who will just change the

>> > power

>> > supply or front panel start up button assembly.

>>

>> If computer literate, then you also knew about the power supply

>> controller and what is 'integral' per Don Phillipson.

>>

>> What will that 'someone' else do? Probably read voltages on green

>> and purple wire (only 15 seconds), then charge you thirty some dollars

>> labor to pinch a loose wire with needle nose pliers. You would fear

>> to even do those 15 seconds of labor?

>>

>> Why did you start another discussion? Useful replies from that

>> previous discussion don't change only because you did not like

>> answers. Any useful answer requires you to do things you never did

>> before.

>>

>> I concur with Gary. You are bound and determined to keep asking the

>> same question until someone posts what you want to hear. Spend the

>> money. Take that computer to someone who also knows about the power

>> supply controller - who does not fear to learn using numbers. Then

>> thinking through the problem is made redundant.

>>

>> "." in that previous thread even provided citations that most any

>> computer literate person knows or learns from. Any child can assemble

>> a computer. It is why most computer techs do not even know how

>> electricity works. One need not know much about computers to assemble

>> one. Even the plugs are shaped different so that a child will not

>> connect wrong wires together. Anyone can assemble a PC.

>>

>> Knowing why a computer works is best accomplished by following the

>> evidence - tracing a failure to its defect. With information from

>> ".", one learns how that switch is integral to a power supply system.

>> Learned why shorting a green wire would not answer your question.

>> Learned why reposting the same question will only get the same

>> answers.

>>

May 10, 2008

Re: Starting your PC without the front panel power button

Nobody has given you one vague answer (though some have been off-topic,

going into far more detail than you want or need.) You just lacked the basic

knowledge to understand them. After your claiming you had lots and lots of

experience, why should we go into kindergarten mode to answer you?

Anyway, I've given you the definitive answer already a few times. DON'T use

a screwdriver to short anything, use a continuity tester to test the power

button assembly. Sticking a screwdriver into a live box is STUPID (I'll make

exceptions for people like Philo who work on these things hour after hour,

but not a stupid instructor who's just showing off. Such a person classifies

as an Class "A" A**hole in my book.)

For testing the power button, I already gave you the gory details. Not going

to do it again. If you can't figure it out, give up. Completely. Forever.

Find a different hobby.

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://www.grystmill.com

"attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:88AF15C3-2B6E-404F-8FB0-73745B80A2BE@microsoft.com...

> Ok, now I figured it out. Take off the connector where the power up button

> assembly goes into the motherboard and take a small screwdriver and touch

> the

> prongs on the mobo where the connector goes in. I just tried that on my

> Compaq and it started without the power button assembly plugged in. I hope

> now if I turn it off that I didn't ruin my PC. Ok it turned off and I

> tried

> it again and nope it didn't start by touching the prongs together at that

> point, or I was touching them wrong. Ok, I'll wait for a definite answer

> to

> the question.

> How do I have to, oh forget it. I'm fed up with these vague answers.

> Anyone out there with a definite answer, you will be remembered as someone

> with a brain if you give an answer that is straight to the point.

> Thanks, attilathehun1

> --

> attilathehun1

>

> "w_tom" wrote:

>

>> On May 9, 10:37 pm, attilathehun1

>> <attilatheh...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>> > I'm not going to bring the PC to someone who is going to do the same

>> > thing

>> > as I'm going to do. Why should I pay someone who will just change the

>> > power

>> > supply or front panel start up button assembly.

>>

>> If computer literate, then you also knew about the power supply

>> controller and what is 'integral' per Don Phillipson.

>>

>> What will that 'someone' else do? Probably read voltages on green

>> and purple wire (only 15 seconds), then charge you thirty some dollars

>> labor to pinch a loose wire with needle nose pliers. You would fear

>> to even do those 15 seconds of labor?

>>

>> Why did you start another discussion? Useful replies from that

>> previous discussion don't change only because you did not like

>> answers. Any useful answer requires you to do things you never did

>> before.

>>

>> I concur with Gary. You are bound and determined to keep asking the

>> same question until someone posts what you want to hear. Spend the

>> money. Take that computer to someone who also knows about the power

>> supply controller - who does not fear to learn using numbers. Then

>> thinking through the problem is made redundant.

>>

>> "." in that previous thread even provided citations that most any

>> computer literate person knows or learns from. Any child can assemble

>> a computer. It is why most computer techs do not even know how

>> electricity works. One need not know much about computers to assemble

>> one. Even the plugs are shaped different so that a child will not

>> connect wrong wires together. Anyone can assemble a PC.

>>

>> Knowing why a computer works is best accomplished by following the

>> evidence - tracing a failure to its defect. With information from

>> ".", one learns how that switch is integral to a power supply system.

>> Learned why shorting a green wire would not answer your question.

>> Learned why reposting the same question will only get the same

>> answers.

>>

May 10, 2008

Re: Starting your PC without the front panel power button

Ok, finally I got a response in detail that I can use. I didn't read both of

your last messages, Gary and Meb, but I can see that it's something I'm going

to print out.

Ok, one more thing, I finally figured out somewhat what to do with the

small screwdriver. I put it between the prongs where the power button

assmebly joins the mobo. I took out the power connector and inserted the

screw driver onto the prongs and nothing happened. I then noticed the power

cord wasn't plugged in. When I plugged in the power cord the PC started up

automatically. Is that because I jumped it before the power cord was in? I'd

think if the power cord wasn't in and you tried to jump a PC nothing would

happen. Sometimes my one PC starts as soon as you plug in the power cord.

And as far as the multi-meter readings, I will take your guys advice and

take a reading.

Alright, I'm going to give this a shot. I tried to start up the PC with and

without the power button assembly and had no luck. I just went and bought a

power button assembly, no, I had my power button assembly fixed for no

charge. The PC tech at PC Liquidators bent it up a bit, which is kinda

impossible since it's plastic, but yes it's bent. he inserted a new clicker.

The old clicker that clicks when you push the power button on the front panel

wasn't working, so he took the old one out and puttied in a new clicker.

I felt obligated to buy something from the store, since he didn't charge me

for the fix on the power assembly, and I bought a DVI to VGA or VGA to DVI

connector for 10 bucks. Made for Windows not Macs.

Alrighty, thanks for the detail infomation. It is greatly appreciated.

Thanks, attilathehun1

--

attilathehun1

"MEB" wrote:

> Straight up answer, read it twice if necessary.

>

> The CASE has/should have a power supply button which has *two leads/wires*

> running to the ATX style motherboard [AT style testing is slightly

> different, these power buttons are NOT momentary but provide constant

> connection].

>

> IF ATX SYLE:

> These two leads connect to two pins on the motherboard. WHERE these two

> pins connect IS the testing position where you EITHER use the paper clip

> WITHOUT uninstalling the connector, push the paperclip into the two holes IN

> the connector next two each of the two wires MOMENTARILY, OR where you place

> the multi-meter leads to test for voltage BEFORE OR AFTER removing the

> connector. IF the computer boots you MAY have a bad switch OR a bad

> connection.

> ALSO using the multi-meter and AFTER removing the two wire connector, place

> the leads from the multi-meter into the connector from the power switch and

> test for connection using the *continuity* testing aspect of the meter OR

> using one of the *KOHM* settings AND *while pressing the button and

> releasing*. IF you get a reading OTHER THAN 0 [zero] or the default

> unconnected display, the button is good OR if the continuity test

> BEEPS/alarms or flashes a light [depends on the meter] you have a good

> button {usually}.

>

> IF the button tests okay, and the temporary connection [paper clip or

> {shudder} screwdriver} DID NOT turn on the computer you either have a bad

> motherboard [or one of its components] OR a bad power supply.

>

> FOR THE SCREWDRIVER APPROACH: momentarily touch the two exposed pins on the

> motherboard from where you disconnected the power switch leads. BE CAREFULL,

> this is not a recommended procedure as a slip MIGHT contact other parts of

> the board electronics causing a DIRECT SHORT or other damage.

>

> IF AT STYLE:

> IF it is an AT style board, the preferred method is to create a

> shunt/jumper, a plain wire WITHOUT exposed wires, which you push onto the

> pins for completed constant connection. This is placed WITH THE POWER

> COMPLETELY DISCONNECTED. IF this works, then replace the shunt/jumper with a

> new switch.

>

> You stated, I think, that you replaced the board, did you replace the

> GROUNDING screw in the right hole and connection on the case and

> motherboard?

>

> --

> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

> --

> _________

>

> "attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:AB38BEB6-9100-4E3E-BC5A-96FF622FF63B@microsoft.com...

> | Look, all I wanted to do was get a simple answer to where I touch the

> screw

> | driver. I know my motherboard. There is no way I can use a screw driver

> from

> | the answers you have given. You haven't given me a right on answer,

> straight,

> | for example, touch the screw driver from the battery to the point where

> the

> | start up button assembly plugs into the motherboard. Or take a paper clip

> and

> | stick it into the connector where the P1 power supply connector goes in.

> | Nothing like that has been told to me. All these answers are vague.

> Someone

> | give a staight up answer.

> | And yes I did go out and buy a power supply for 10 bucks, a used one that

> | works on a Gateway. Also, I do have a multi-meter that I use to test

> | batteries. No one has told me to take the multi-meter and touch it to a

> | certain spot on the power supply and take a reading. Or no one has said to

> me

> | to take the multi-meter and take a reading from the connector on the

> | motherboard while the P1 is plugged in or whatever. All these answers are

> in

> | the grey area.

> | Anyone would get upset with these answers after someone saying you don't

> | know your elbow from you know what and then saying to take your PC to a PC

> | tech.

> | I just want some definite answers. Just the way I would answer someone

> who

> | asked a question if I knew the answer.

> | Thanks,

> attilathehun1

> | --

> | attilathehun1

> |

> | "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

> |

> | > Boo-hoo-hoo. Here's a Kleenex. Now, blow. Good boy!

> | >

> | > Have you figured out if the power button works or not? Or are you too

> cheap

> | > to buy a multi-tester?

> | >

> | > --

> | > Gary S. Terhune

> | > MS-MVP Shell/User

> | > http://www.grystmill.com

> | >

> | > "attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in

> message

> | > news:E2FA0310-D0A4-48ED-960C-6500BB8C4021@microsoft.com...

> | > > Ok, I did and I know from trial and error. That's exactly how the last

> PC

> | > > tech did it when I brought it into him. In fact, he lied. I brought

> the PC

> | > > into him and told him I didn't want to pay the 25 dollars and just to

> buy

> | > > a

> | > > power supply that fits the machine or something to that nature. He

> told me

> | > > don't worry, I'll do it just so we get it right and there will be no

> | > > problems.

> | > > Well I said ok, no probs go ahead then. When I saw the bill and said

> wtf

> | > > is

> | > > this 25 bucks for? OH, that for me working on it. I said wtf I

> thought

> | > > you

> | > > said you'd do it and just so it would be done right. The mother...

> ripped

> | > > me

> | > > off. So, wtf am I to say in that situation. I paid him and told him

> this

> | > > would be the last time I brought my PC into this PC store.

> | > > Getting back to the problem, which had been made into a mountain from

> a

> | > > molehill, I did test it and yes the motherboard probably got damaged

> or

> | > > shorted out or ESD might have ruined it . I stuck the paperclip into

> the

> | > > two

> | > > pin holes and nothing happened. So, I assume that's the problem.

> | > > See I've never had to do this before and I figured a little advice,

> plain

> | > > and simple, would be enough information. I guess not. Anotherwords,

> you

> | > > (pl)

> | > > don't no how to do it. You don't no wtf you are talking about. See

> I've

> | > > encountered your kind. Read upwards.

> | > > Ok, thanks for nothing.

> | > > attilathehun1

> | > >

> | > > See there are problems out there and lies from PC techs. I mean is it

> that

> | > > bad? I just wanted a confirmation, and if it's going to be that bad,

> then

> | > > forget it.

> | > >

> | > > --

> | > > attilathehun1

> | > >

> | > > "attilathehun1" wrote:

> | > >

> | > >> I'd like to know how to start up my PC without the front panel power

> | > >> button

> | > >> assembly because my PC won't start or fire up. Nothing happens when I

> hit

> | > >> the

> | > >> power button. The power supply works, so I figure it might be the

> power

> | > >> button assembly that's the problem. I'm using a process of

> elimination to

> | > >> do

> | > >> this and the power button assembly is next on the process of

> elimination.

> | > >> Thanks, attilathehun1

> | > >> --

> | > >> attilathehun1

> | >

>

May 10, 2008

Re: Starting your PC without the front panel power button

Ok, I just read all of both your message Gary and Meb's message. I thank you

for the first part, which was great in detail, but your last part sucks, and

I don't even use the word sucks. That's one of the forbidden words I don't

want used around me. So it must really suck.

Ok, and I thank again Meb. He's a professional and deserves credit.

Thanks, attilathehun1

-- PS If that's your idea of friendliness, you better think of better ways

to make friends. You might be a stuffed shirt, so I should take this back.

But no, I want you to read this and maybe you'll get an idea of backing off

and not sticking in hostile thoughts. You were doing so good. But I guess

it's not in your nature to humble yourself and just help someone out for the

sake of good karma.

Ok, see what you've got out of me. I try and distance myself from hostile

feelings.

Thanks, attilathehun1

attilathehun1

"MEB" wrote:

> Straight up answer, read it twice if necessary.

>

> The CASE has/should have a power supply button which has *two leads/wires*

> running to the ATX style motherboard [AT style testing is slightly

> different, these power buttons are NOT momentary but provide constant

> connection].

>

> IF ATX SYLE:

> These two leads connect to two pins on the motherboard. WHERE these two

> pins connect IS the testing position where you EITHER use the paper clip

> WITHOUT uninstalling the connector, push the paperclip into the two holes IN

> the connector next two each of the two wires MOMENTARILY, OR where you place

> the multi-meter leads to test for voltage BEFORE OR AFTER removing the

> connector. IF the computer boots you MAY have a bad switch OR a bad

> connection.

> ALSO using the multi-meter and AFTER removing the two wire connector, place

> the leads from the multi-meter into the connector from the power switch and

> test for connection using the *continuity* testing aspect of the meter OR

> using one of the *KOHM* settings AND *while pressing the button and

> releasing*. IF you get a reading OTHER THAN 0 [zero] or the default

> unconnected display, the button is good OR if the continuity test

> BEEPS/alarms or flashes a light [depends on the meter] you have a good

> button {usually}.

>

> IF the button tests okay, and the temporary connection [paper clip or

> {shudder} screwdriver} DID NOT turn on the computer you either have a bad

> motherboard [or one of its components] OR a bad power supply.

>

> FOR THE SCREWDRIVER APPROACH: momentarily touch the two exposed pins on the

> motherboard from where you disconnected the power switch leads. BE CAREFULL,

> this is not a recommended procedure as a slip MIGHT contact other parts of

> the board electronics causing a DIRECT SHORT or other damage.

>

> IF AT STYLE:

> IF it is an AT style board, the preferred method is to create a

> shunt/jumper, a plain wire WITHOUT exposed wires, which you push onto the

> pins for completed constant connection. This is placed WITH THE POWER

> COMPLETELY DISCONNECTED. IF this works, then replace the shunt/jumper with a

> new switch.

>

> You stated, I think, that you replaced the board, did you replace the

> GROUNDING screw in the right hole and connection on the case and

> motherboard?

>

> --

> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

> --

> _________

>

> "attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:AB38BEB6-9100-4E3E-BC5A-96FF622FF63B@microsoft.com...

> | Look, all I wanted to do was get a simple answer to where I touch the

> screw

> | driver. I know my motherboard. There is no way I can use a screw driver

> from

> | the answers you have given. You haven't given me a right on answer,

> straight,

> | for example, touch the screw driver from the battery to the point where

> the

> | start up button assembly plugs into the motherboard. Or take a paper clip

> and

> | stick it into the connector where the P1 power supply connector goes in.

> | Nothing like that has been told to me. All these answers are vague.

> Someone

> | give a staight up answer.

> | And yes I did go out and buy a power supply for 10 bucks, a used one that

> | works on a Gateway. Also, I do have a multi-meter that I use to test

> | batteries. No one has told me to take the multi-meter and touch it to a

> | certain spot on the power supply and take a reading. Or no one has said to

> me

> | to take the multi-meter and take a reading from the connector on the

> | motherboard while the P1 is plugged in or whatever. All these answers are

> in

> | the grey area.

> | Anyone would get upset with these answers after someone saying you don't

> | know your elbow from you know what and then saying to take your PC to a PC

> | tech.

> | I just want some definite answers. Just the way I would answer someone

> who

> | asked a question if I knew the answer.

> | Thanks,

> attilathehun1

> | --

> | attilathehun1

> |

> | "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

> |

> | > Boo-hoo-hoo. Here's a Kleenex. Now, blow. Good boy!

> | >

> | > Have you figured out if the power button works or not? Or are you too

> cheap

> | > to buy a multi-tester?

> | >

> | > --

> | > Gary S. Terhune

> | > MS-MVP Shell/User

> | > http://www.grystmill.com

> | >

> | > "attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in

> message

> | > news:E2FA0310-D0A4-48ED-960C-6500BB8C4021@microsoft.com...

> | > > Ok, I did and I know from trial and error. That's exactly how the last

> PC

> | > > tech did it when I brought it into him. In fact, he lied. I brought

> the PC

> | > > into him and told him I didn't want to pay the 25 dollars and just to

> buy

> | > > a

> | > > power supply that fits the machine or something to that nature. He

> told me

> | > > don't worry, I'll do it just so we get it right and there will be no

> | > > problems.

> | > > Well I said ok, no probs go ahead then. When I saw the bill and said

> wtf

> | > > is

> | > > this 25 bucks for? OH, that for me working on it. I said wtf I

> thought

> | > > you

> | > > said you'd do it and just so it would be done right. The mother...

> ripped

> | > > me

> | > > off. So, wtf am I to say in that situation. I paid him and told him

> this

> | > > would be the last time I brought my PC into this PC store.

> | > > Getting back to the problem, which had been made into a mountain from

> a

> | > > molehill, I did test it and yes the motherboard probably got damaged

> or

> | > > shorted out or ESD might have ruined it . I stuck the paperclip into

> the

> | > > two

> | > > pin holes and nothing happened. So, I assume that's the problem.

> | > > See I've never had to do this before and I figured a little advice,

> plain

> | > > and simple, would be enough information. I guess not. Anotherwords,

> you

> | > > (pl)

> | > > don't no how to do it. You don't no wtf you are talking about. See

> I've

> | > > encountered your kind. Read upwards.

> | > > Ok, thanks for nothing.

> | > > attilathehun1

> | > >

> | > > See there are problems out there and lies from PC techs. I mean is it

> that

> | > > bad? I just wanted a confirmation, and if it's going to be that bad,

> then

> | > > forget it.

> | > >

> | > > --

> | > > attilathehun1

> | > >

> | > > "attilathehun1" wrote:

> | > >

> | > >> I'd like to know how to start up my PC without the front panel power

> | > >> button

> | > >> assembly because my PC won't start or fire up. Nothing happens when I

> hit

> | > >> the

> | > >> power button. The power supply works, so I figure it might be the

> power

> | > >> button assembly that's the problem. I'm using a process of

> elimination to

> | > >> do

> | > >> this and the power button assembly is next on the process of

> elimination.

> | > >> Thanks, attilathehun1

> | > >> --

> | > >> attilathehun1

> | >

>

May 10, 2008

Re: Starting your PC without the front panel power button

Good luck. Stay safe.

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://www.grystmill.com

"attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:3B8D41A8-0295-4E93-B746-9F2A12AB2485@microsoft.com...

> Ok, I just read all of both your message Gary and Meb's message. I thank

> you

> for the first part, which was great in detail, but your last part sucks,

> and

> I don't even use the word sucks. That's one of the forbidden words I don't

> want used around me. So it must really suck.

> Ok, and I thank again Meb. He's a professional and deserves credit.

> Thanks, attilathehun1

> -- PS If that's your idea of friendliness, you better think of better ways

> to make friends. You might be a stuffed shirt, so I should take this back.

> But no, I want you to read this and maybe you'll get an idea of backing

> off

> and not sticking in hostile thoughts. You were doing so good. But I guess

> it's not in your nature to humble yourself and just help someone out for

> the

> sake of good karma.

> Ok, see what you've got out of me. I try and distance myself from hostile

> feelings.

> Thanks,

> attilathehun1

>

> "MEB" wrote:

>

>> Straight up answer, read it twice if necessary.

>>

>> The CASE has/should have a power supply button which has *two

>> leads/wires*

>> running to the ATX style motherboard [AT style testing is slightly

>> different, these power buttons are NOT momentary but provide constant

>> connection].

>>

>> IF ATX SYLE:

>> These two leads connect to two pins on the motherboard. WHERE these two

>> pins connect IS the testing position where you EITHER use the paper clip

>> WITHOUT uninstalling the connector, push the paperclip into the two holes

>> IN

>> the connector next two each of the two wires MOMENTARILY, OR where you

>> place

>> the multi-meter leads to test for voltage BEFORE OR AFTER removing the

>> connector. IF the computer boots you MAY have a bad switch OR a bad

>> connection.

>> ALSO using the multi-meter and AFTER removing the two wire connector,

>> place

>> the leads from the multi-meter into the connector from the power switch

>> and

>> test for connection using the *continuity* testing aspect of the meter OR

>> using one of the *KOHM* settings AND *while pressing the button and

>> releasing*. IF you get a reading OTHER THAN 0 [zero] or the default

>> unconnected display, the button is good OR if the continuity test

>> BEEPS/alarms or flashes a light [depends on the meter] you have a good

>> button {usually}.

>>

>> IF the button tests okay, and the temporary connection [paper clip or

>> {shudder} screwdriver} DID NOT turn on the computer you either have a bad

>> motherboard [or one of its components] OR a bad power supply.

>>

>> FOR THE SCREWDRIVER APPROACH: momentarily touch the two exposed pins on

>> the

>> motherboard from where you disconnected the power switch leads. BE

>> CAREFULL,

>> this is not a recommended procedure as a slip MIGHT contact other parts

>> of

>> the board electronics causing a DIRECT SHORT or other damage.

>>

>> IF AT STYLE:

>> IF it is an AT style board, the preferred method is to create a

>> shunt/jumper, a plain wire WITHOUT exposed wires, which you push onto the

>> pins for completed constant connection. This is placed WITH THE POWER

>> COMPLETELY DISCONNECTED. IF this works, then replace the shunt/jumper

>> with a

>> new switch.

>>

>> You stated, I think, that you replaced the board, did you replace the

>> GROUNDING screw in the right hole and connection on the case and

>> motherboard?

>>

>> --

>> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

>> --

>> _________

>>

>> "attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in

>> message

>> news:AB38BEB6-9100-4E3E-BC5A-96FF622FF63B@microsoft.com...

>> | Look, all I wanted to do was get a simple answer to where I touch the

>> screw

>> | driver. I know my motherboard. There is no way I can use a screw driver

>> from

>> | the answers you have given. You haven't given me a right on answer,

>> straight,

>> | for example, touch the screw driver from the battery to the point where

>> the

>> | start up button assembly plugs into the motherboard. Or take a paper

>> clip

>> and

>> | stick it into the connector where the P1 power supply connector goes

>> in.

>> | Nothing like that has been told to me. All these answers are vague.

>> Someone

>> | give a staight up answer.

>> | And yes I did go out and buy a power supply for 10 bucks, a used one

>> that

>> | works on a Gateway. Also, I do have a multi-meter that I use to test

>> | batteries. No one has told me to take the multi-meter and touch it to a

>> | certain spot on the power supply and take a reading. Or no one has said

>> to

>> me

>> | to take the multi-meter and take a reading from the connector on the

>> | motherboard while the P1 is plugged in or whatever. All these answers

>> are

>> in

>> | the grey area.

>> | Anyone would get upset with these answers after someone saying you

>> don't

>> | know your elbow from you know what and then saying to take your PC to a

>> PC

>> | tech.

>> | I just want some definite answers. Just the way I would answer someone

>> who

>> | asked a question if I knew the answer.

>> | Thanks,

>> attilathehun1

>> | --

>> | attilathehun1

>> |

>> | "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

>> |

>> | > Boo-hoo-hoo. Here's a Kleenex. Now, blow. Good boy!

>> | >

>> | > Have you figured out if the power button works or not? Or are you too

>> cheap

>> | > to buy a multi-tester?

>> | >

>> | > --

>> | > Gary S. Terhune

>> | > MS-MVP Shell/User

>> | > http://www.grystmill.com

>> | >

>> | > "attilathehun1" <attilathehun1@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in

>> message

>> | > news:E2FA0310-D0A4-48ED-960C-6500BB8C4021@microsoft.com...

>> | > > Ok, I did and I know from trial and error. That's exactly how the

>> last

>> PC

>> | > > tech did it when I brought it into him. In fact, he lied. I brought

>> the PC

>> | > > into him and told him I didn't want to pay the 25 dollars and just

>> to

>> buy

>> | > > a

>> | > > power supply that fits the machine or something to that nature. He

>> told me

>> | > > don't worry, I'll do it just so we get it right and there will be

>> no

>> | > > problems.

>> | > > Well I said ok, no probs go ahead then. When I saw the bill and

>> said

>> wtf

>> | > > is

>> | > > this 25 bucks for? OH, that for me working on it. I said wtf I

>> thought

>> | > > you

>> | > > said you'd do it and just so it would be done right. The mother...

>> ripped

>> | > > me

>> | > > off. So, wtf am I to say in that situation. I paid him and told him

>> this

>> | > > would be the last time I brought my PC into this PC store.

>> | > > Getting back to the problem, which had been made into a mountain

>> from

>> a

>> | > > molehill, I did test it and yes the motherboard probably got

>> damaged

>> or

>> | > > shorted out or ESD might have ruined it . I stuck the paperclip

>> into

>> the

>> | > > two

>> | > > pin holes and nothing happened. So, I assume that's the problem.

>> | > > See I've never had to do this before and I figured a little advice,

>> plain

>> | > > and simple, would be enough information. I guess not. Anotherwords,

>> you

>> | > > (pl)

>> | > > don't no how to do it. You don't no wtf you are talking about. See

>> I've

>> | > > encountered your kind. Read upwards.

>> | > > Ok, thanks for nothing.

>> | > > attilathehun1

>> | > >

>> | > > See there are problems out there and lies from PC techs. I mean is

>> it

>> that

>> | > > bad? I just wanted a confirmation, and if it's going to be that

>> bad,

>> then

>> | > > forget it.

>> | > >

>> | > > --

>> | > > attilathehun1

>> | > >

>> | > > "attilathehun1" wrote:

>> | > >

>> | > >> I'd like to know how to start up my PC without the front panel

>> power

>> | > >> button

>> | > >> assembly because my PC won't start or fire up. Nothing happens

>> when I

>> hit

>> | > >> the

>> | > >> power button. The power supply works, so I figure it might be the

>> power

>> | > >> button assembly that's the problem. I'm using a process of

>> elimination to

>> | > >> do

>> | > >> this and the power button assembly is next on the process of

>> elimination.

>> | > >> Thanks,

>> attilathehun1

>> | > >> --

>> | > >> attilathehun1

>> | >

>>

May 11, 2008

Re: Starting your PC without the front panel power button

On May 10, 1:31 pm, attilathehun1

<attilatheh...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> And yes I did go out and buy a power supply for 10 bucks, a used one that

> works on a Gateway. Also, I do have a multi-meter that I use to test

> batteries. No one has told me to take the multi-meter and touch it to a

> certain spot on the power supply and take a reading.

Touch meter probes to purple and black wires to read that VDC

number. Repeat same to green and black wires to read that voltage.

Do same to both wires also when power switch is pressed. Then post

those four numbers here to learn other facts about your power button

and so many other components..

If green wire voltage does not drop below 0.8 V (when power switch

is pressed), then repeat that same procedure to both power button

wires (best measured where those wires connect to motherboard). What

makes this procedure so effective is that you disconnect and change

nothing inside the computer. Significant are voltages both when power

button is pressed and when it is not pressed. Not just 'good or

bad'. Those actual numbers also report other significant information

- especially about but not limited to the power button.

Gary Terhune discusses a continuity tester. That is also a

multimeter function. However we try to avoid measuring continuity

until later since disconnecting something may change the defect.

First see the defect before disconnecting anything to measure

continuity. From those voltage numbers are where best to measure

continuity.

Again, some of the best replies here are those that don't appear to

be useful. What characterizes THE best solutions? Best solutions

result in numbers. Answer that only result in 'yes or no' or 'Go/

Nogo' typically do not provide definitive solutions. For example, is

the switch conductive when pressed? How conductive? Again, what is

the number? Switch may be conductive when pressed and still be

defective - not conductive enough.

MEB, Gary Terhune, and others have also posted variations of this

same procedure. Procedure was also posted in that other thread where

the same question was asked - and resulted in same answers. Best were

answers you did not understand and that also resulted in information

(numbers) so that others could provide further solutions.

Power supply for $10 is definitely missing essential functions -

just asking for more trouble and failure. Just another reason why

responsible computer assemblers obtain basic electrical knowledge.

With electrical knowledge, the power supply will still boot and run a

computer - however create other unacceptable failures. A mimimally

acceptable power supply costs about $60 full retail. To sell for $10,

well, they are dumping inferior products to computer assemblers

without basic electrical knowledge.

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