Guest Big Al Posted May 13, 2008 Posted May 13, 2008 Re: XP Pro (Gold?) and SP3 Bob I wrote: > > > Frank-FL wrote: > >> "Big Al" <BigAl@nowhere.com> wrote in message >> news:xZDVj.3527$5b3.360@trnddc05... >> >>> ClueLess wrote: >>> >>>> Hi All >>>> >>>> I see many posts stating that SP3 can be installed only after applying >>>> either SP1 or SP2 >>>> >>>> I have already successfully slipstreamed SP3 on XP-SP2 and made a >>>> fresh install which went smoothly, no problems. >>>> >>>> Today I tried with my original XP Pro (Retail) and the slipstreaming >>>> with nLite went without any warning or hitch. That means, AFAICS, >>>> update.exe did not check whether XP was with either SP1 or SP2. >>>> >>>> Since I have no spare hard disk I did not try to install it and see if >>>> there is a problem. >>>> >>>> Having slipstreamed I believe there should be no problem. I will get a >>>> new hard disk and install this weekend and come back. >>>> >>>> Meantime if anyone has more information please respond. >>>> >>> >>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windowsxp/cc164204.aspx >>> This article says you have to have SP1 at least. And oddly it >>> recommends SP2 installed. But that now runs totally against the >>> grain of logic (to me at least). >>> >>> But I'd sure like to see it in more plain English like you said. >> >> >> This page says different. >> >> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=68C48DAD-BC34-40BE-8D85-6BB4F56F5110&displaylang=en#filelist >> > > BUT, if you actually read the contents of one the files at the link you > posted, it says: > > Fundamentally, deploying Windows XP SP3 works the same as deploying SP1 > and SP2 for Windows XP: > - SP3 is cumulative, so users can install SP3 on top of Windows XP SP1 > or SP2. > - Windows XP SP3 supports the same languages as Windows XP did in its > initial release. > - You can run the SP3 update package on any edition of Windows XP SP1 or > SP2. For example, you can > run the SP3 update package on a computer running the Windows XP Media > Center Edition with SP1. The > exceptions are Embedded editions for XP wh > Overview of Windows XP Service Pack 3. > And the key words are "on top of Windows XP SP1 or SP2". Not on top of XP.
Guest Bob I Posted May 13, 2008 Posted May 13, 2008 Re: XP Pro (Gold?) and SP3 Big Al wrote: > Bob I wrote: > >> >> >> Frank-FL wrote: >> >>> "Big Al" <BigAl@nowhere.com> wrote in message >>> news:xZDVj.3527$5b3.360@trnddc05... >>> >>>> ClueLess wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi All >>>>> >>>>> I see many posts stating that SP3 can be installed only after applying >>>>> either SP1 or SP2 >>>>> >>>>> I have already successfully slipstreamed SP3 on XP-SP2 and made a >>>>> fresh install which went smoothly, no problems. >>>>> >>>>> Today I tried with my original XP Pro (Retail) and the slipstreaming >>>>> with nLite went without any warning or hitch. That means, AFAICS, >>>>> update.exe did not check whether XP was with either SP1 or SP2. >>>>> >>>>> Since I have no spare hard disk I did not try to install it and see if >>>>> there is a problem. >>>>> >>>>> Having slipstreamed I believe there should be no problem. I will get a >>>>> new hard disk and install this weekend and come back. >>>>> >>>>> Meantime if anyone has more information please respond. >>>>> >>>> >>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windowsxp/cc164204.aspx >>>> This article says you have to have SP1 at least. And oddly it >>>> recommends SP2 installed. But that now runs totally against the >>>> grain of logic (to me at least). >>>> >>>> But I'd sure like to see it in more plain English like you said. >>> >>> >>> >>> This page says different. >>> >>> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=68C48DAD-BC34-40BE-8D85-6BB4F56F5110&displaylang=en#filelist >>> >> >> >> BUT, if you actually read the contents of one the files at the link >> you posted, it says: >> >> Fundamentally, deploying Windows XP SP3 works the same as deploying >> SP1 and SP2 for Windows XP: >> - SP3 is cumulative, so users can install SP3 on top of Windows XP SP1 >> or SP2. >> - Windows XP SP3 supports the same languages as Windows XP did in its >> initial release. >> - You can run the SP3 update package on any edition of Windows XP SP1 >> or SP2. For example, you can >> run the SP3 update package on a computer running the Windows XP Media >> Center Edition with SP1. The >> exceptions are Embedded editions for XP wh >> Overview of Windows XP Service Pack 3. >> > And the key words are "on top of Windows XP SP1 or SP2". > Not on top of XP. Correctamundo!!!
Guest student Posted May 13, 2008 Posted May 13, 2008 Re: XP Pro (Gold?) and SP3 The overview claims that sp3 is "cumulative"; if sp1 or sp2 is "required" then sp3 does not do what sp1 or sp2 did; if certain files are changed in sp1/sp2 & not sp3 then sp3 is NOT cumulative. Therefore m$ lied about sp3 if either sp1 or sp2 is required. On 2008-05-13, Colin Barnhorst <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote: > However, more details in the linked documentation exclude anything before XP > SP1. > > "Frank-FL" <bbunny@bqik.net> wrote in message > news:uZEhpbRtIHA.1872@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > > "PD43" <pauld1943@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:qhke249l6pvanovmgju7ehme8qulthavdk@4ax.com... >> "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote: >> >>>There is, according to the SP3 beta team. See my reply in this thread. >>>I'm >>>sure I don't have it 100% correct but I am sure that the team said >>>slipstreaming on XP Gold would produce an integrated cd that would install >>>a >>>defective XP. >> >> It seems to be a "common sense" thing to me - and I like to play >> around with my system (just checked my Vista services settings with >> Black Viper's "tweaked"- I only found three settings I could stop that >> I hadn't stopped). >> >> That said, why anyone would try something when slipstreaming that >> isn't recommended is beyond my comprehension. >>> >>>"PD43" <pauld1943@comcast.net> wrote in message >>>news:cn5e24p8afouv8ickjm3a96nanm8gfisg3@4ax.com... >>>> ClueLess <clueless@wilderness.org.invalid> wrote: >>>> >>>>>Today I tried with my original XP Pro (Retail) and the slipstreaming >>>>>with nLite went without any warning or hitch. That means, AFAICS, >>>>>update.exe did not check whether XP was with either SP1 or SP2. >>>> >>>> Yes, but are you SURE that you now have SP1 and SP2 files on that >>>> slipstreamed disc? >>>> >>>> There must be a good reason why SP1 is required and SP2 is >>>> recommended. > > http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=68C48DAD-BC34-40BE-8D85-6BB4F56F5110&displaylang=en#filelist > > System Requirements > a.. Supported Operating Systems: Windows XP; Windows XP Home Edition ; > Windows XP Home Edition N; Windows XP Media Center Edition; Windows XP > Professional Edition ; Windows XP Professional N; Windows XP Service Pack 1; > Windows XP Service Pack 2; Windows XP Starter Edition; Windows XP Tablet PC > Edition > Windows® XP >
Guest Colin Barnhorst Posted May 13, 2008 Posted May 13, 2008 Re: XP Pro (Gold?) and SP3 The rollup of issued patches and updates is cumulative. Other changes written only by a service pack installer and not later released in an update would not be included and would not be part of the cumulative rollup feature of a later sp. This does not negate the rollup nature of a later sp. The bottom line to all of this is that we all know that SP3 will not install on an XP Gold installation of Windows when using Windows Update since MS is blocking this so something is going on relating to SP3 and XP Gold. So why take a chance that the same issue would not exist when applying other methods of integrating SP3? The two-stage creation of a slipstreamed cd is straight forward and renders the question of doing a single-stage integration pretty academic so why not just do it that way to be safe? The discussion on this point in this ng shows very different opinions but these are academic issues. For the user, the practical approach to creating an integrated cd should be to use a method guaranteed to avoid the problem entirely. If you can make one slipstreamed cd you obviously are in a position to make two so the resolution to the uncertainties is just do it. "student" <guest@csus__.edu> wrote in message news:UeWdncpcMvrCbbTVnZ2dnUVZ_jOdnZ2d@comcast.com... > The overview claims that sp3 is "cumulative"; if sp1 or sp2 is "required" > then > sp3 does not do what sp1 or sp2 did; if certain files are changed in > sp1/sp2 > & not sp3 then sp3 is NOT cumulative. > > Therefore m$ lied about sp3 if either sp1 or sp2 is required. > > > On 2008-05-13, Colin Barnhorst <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote: >> However, more details in the linked documentation exclude anything before >> XP >> SP1. >> >> "Frank-FL" <bbunny@bqik.net> wrote in message >> news:uZEhpbRtIHA.1872@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> >> "PD43" <pauld1943@comcast.net> wrote in message >> news:qhke249l6pvanovmgju7ehme8qulthavdk@4ax.com... >>> "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote: >>> >>>>There is, according to the SP3 beta team. See my reply in this thread. >>>>I'm >>>>sure I don't have it 100% correct but I am sure that the team said >>>>slipstreaming on XP Gold would produce an integrated cd that would >>>>install >>>>a >>>>defective XP. >>> >>> It seems to be a "common sense" thing to me - and I like to play >>> around with my system (just checked my Vista services settings with >>> Black Viper's "tweaked"- I only found three settings I could stop that >>> I hadn't stopped). >>> >>> That said, why anyone would try something when slipstreaming that >>> isn't recommended is beyond my comprehension. >>>> >>>>"PD43" <pauld1943@comcast.net> wrote in message >>>>news:cn5e24p8afouv8ickjm3a96nanm8gfisg3@4ax.com... >>>>> ClueLess <clueless@wilderness.org.invalid> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>Today I tried with my original XP Pro (Retail) and the slipstreaming >>>>>>with nLite went without any warning or hitch. That means, AFAICS, >>>>>>update.exe did not check whether XP was with either SP1 or SP2. >>>>> >>>>> Yes, but are you SURE that you now have SP1 and SP2 files on that >>>>> slipstreamed disc? >>>>> >>>>> There must be a good reason why SP1 is required and SP2 is >>>>> recommended. >> >> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=68C48DAD-BC34-40BE-8D85-6BB4F56F5110&displaylang=en#filelist >> >> System Requirements >> a.. Supported Operating Systems: Windows XP; Windows XP Home Edition ; >> Windows XP Home Edition N; Windows XP Media Center Edition; Windows XP >> Professional Edition ; Windows XP Professional N; Windows XP Service Pack >> 1; >> Windows XP Service Pack 2; Windows XP Starter Edition; Windows XP Tablet >> PC >> Edition >> Windows® XP >>
Guest Big Al Posted May 13, 2008 Posted May 13, 2008 Re: XP Pro (Gold?) and SP3 Colin Barnhorst wrote: > The rollup of issued patches and updates is cumulative. Other changes > written only by a service pack installer and not later released in an > update would not be included and would not be part of the cumulative > rollup feature of a later sp. This does not negate the rollup nature of > a later sp. > > The bottom line to all of this is that we all know that SP3 will not > install on an XP Gold installation of Windows when using Windows Update > since MS is blocking this so something is going on relating to SP3 and > XP Gold. So why take a chance that the same issue would not exist when > applying other methods of integrating SP3? The two-stage creation of a > slipstreamed cd is straight forward and renders the question of doing a > single-stage integration pretty academic so why not just do it that way > to be safe? > > The discussion on this point in this ng shows very different opinions > but these are academic issues. For the user, the practical approach to > creating an integrated cd should be to use a method guaranteed to avoid > the problem entirely. If you can make one slipstreamed cd you obviously > are in a position to make two so the resolution to the uncertainties is > just do it. > > "student" <guest@csus__.edu> wrote in message > news:UeWdncpcMvrCbbTVnZ2dnUVZ_jOdnZ2d@comcast.com... >> The overview claims that sp3 is "cumulative"; if sp1 or sp2 is >> "required" then >> sp3 does not do what sp1 or sp2 did; if certain files are changed in >> sp1/sp2 >> & not sp3 then sp3 is NOT cumulative. >> >> Therefore m$ lied about sp3 if either sp1 or sp2 is required. >> >> >> On 2008-05-13, Colin Barnhorst <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote: >>> However, more details in the linked documentation exclude anything >>> before XP >>> SP1. >>> >>> "Frank-FL" <bbunny@bqik.net> wrote in message >>> news:uZEhpbRtIHA.1872@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>> >>> "PD43" <pauld1943@comcast.net> wrote in message >>> news:qhke249l6pvanovmgju7ehme8qulthavdk@4ax.com... >>>> "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> There is, according to the SP3 beta team. See my reply in this >>>>> thread. >>>>> I'm >>>>> sure I don't have it 100% correct but I am sure that the team said >>>>> slipstreaming on XP Gold would produce an integrated cd that would >>>>> install >>>>> a >>>>> defective XP. >>>> >>>> It seems to be a "common sense" thing to me - and I like to play >>>> around with my system (just checked my Vista services settings with >>>> Black Viper's "tweaked"- I only found three settings I could stop that >>>> I hadn't stopped). >>>> >>>> That said, why anyone would try something when slipstreaming that >>>> isn't recommended is beyond my comprehension. >>>>> >>>>> "PD43" <pauld1943@comcast.net> wrote in message >>>>> news:cn5e24p8afouv8ickjm3a96nanm8gfisg3@4ax.com... >>>>>> ClueLess <clueless@wilderness.org.invalid> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Today I tried with my original XP Pro (Retail) and the slipstreaming >>>>>>> with nLite went without any warning or hitch. That means, AFAICS, >>>>>>> update.exe did not check whether XP was with either SP1 or SP2. >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes, but are you SURE that you now have SP1 and SP2 files on that >>>>>> slipstreamed disc? >>>>>> >>>>>> There must be a good reason why SP1 is required and SP2 is >>>>>> recommended. >>> >>> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=68C48DAD-BC34-40BE-8D85-6BB4F56F5110&displaylang=en#filelist >>> >>> >>> System Requirements >>> a.. Supported Operating Systems: Windows XP; Windows XP Home Edition ; >>> Windows XP Home Edition N; Windows XP Media Center Edition; Windows XP >>> Professional Edition ; Windows XP Professional N; Windows XP Service >>> Pack 1; >>> Windows XP Service Pack 2; Windows XP Starter Edition; Windows XP >>> Tablet PC >>> Edition >>> Windows® XP >>> > I read someplace that there is a piece of software missing in XPGold that makes slipstream of SP3 impossible, or renders it somewhat broken. I wish I had bookmarked the link, but it seemed pretty authoritative. And obviously SP1 or SP2 have put that 'thing' into the OS making SP3 work.
Guest Frank-FL Posted May 13, 2008 Posted May 13, 2008 Re: XP Pro (Gold?) and SP3 "Bob I" <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:OJtb0FStIHA.4076@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > > > Frank-FL wrote: > >> "Big Al" <BigAl@nowhere.com> wrote in message news:xZDVj.3527$5b3.360@trnddc05... >> >>>ClueLess wrote: >>> >>>>Hi All >>>> >>>>I see many posts stating that SP3 can be installed only after applying >>>>either SP1 or SP2 >>>> >>>>I have already successfully slipstreamed SP3 on XP-SP2 and made a >>>>fresh install which went smoothly, no problems. >>>> >>>>Today I tried with my original XP Pro (Retail) and the slipstreaming >>>>with nLite went without any warning or hitch. That means, AFAICS, >>>>update.exe did not check whether XP was with either SP1 or SP2. >>>> >>>>Since I have no spare hard disk I did not try to install it and see if >>>>there is a problem. >>>> >>>>Having slipstreamed I believe there should be no problem. I will get a >>>>new hard disk and install this weekend and come back. >>>> >>>>Meantime if anyone has more information please respond. >>>> >>> >>>http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windowsxp/cc164204.aspx >>>This article says you have to have SP1 at least. And oddly it >>>recommends SP2 installed. But that now runs totally against the grain >>>of logic (to me at least). >>> >>>But I'd sure like to see it in more plain English like you said. >> >> >> This page says different. >> >> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=68C48DAD-BC34-40BE-8D85-6BB4F56F5110&displaylang=en#filelist > > BUT, if you actually read the contents of one the files at the link you > posted, it says: > > Fundamentally, deploying Windows XP SP3 works the same as deploying SP1 > and SP2 for Windows XP: > - SP3 is cumulative, so users can install SP3 on top of Windows XP SP1 > or SP2. > - Windows XP SP3 supports the same languages as Windows XP did in its > initial release. > - You can run the SP3 update package on any edition of Windows XP SP1 or > SP2. For example, you can > run the SP3 update package on a computer running the Windows XP Media > Center Edition with SP1. The > exceptions are Embedded editions for XP wh > Overview of Windows XP Service Pack 3. Yep, that is what the link states.
Guest Frank-FL Posted May 13, 2008 Posted May 13, 2008 Re: XP Pro (Gold?) and SP3 "Big Al" <BigAl@nowhere.com> wrote in message news:PTkWj.18136$5b3.17386@trnddc05... > Bob I wrote: >> >> >> Frank-FL wrote: >> >>> "Big Al" <BigAl@nowhere.com> wrote in message >>> news:xZDVj.3527$5b3.360@trnddc05... >>> >>>> ClueLess wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi All >>>>> >>>>> I see many posts stating that SP3 can be installed only after applying >>>>> either SP1 or SP2 >>>>> >>>>> I have already successfully slipstreamed SP3 on XP-SP2 and made a >>>>> fresh install which went smoothly, no problems. >>>>> >>>>> Today I tried with my original XP Pro (Retail) and the slipstreaming >>>>> with nLite went without any warning or hitch. That means, AFAICS, >>>>> update.exe did not check whether XP was with either SP1 or SP2. >>>>> >>>>> Since I have no spare hard disk I did not try to install it and see if >>>>> there is a problem. >>>>> >>>>> Having slipstreamed I believe there should be no problem. I will get a >>>>> new hard disk and install this weekend and come back. >>>>> >>>>> Meantime if anyone has more information please respond. >>>>> >>>> >>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windowsxp/cc164204.aspx >>>> This article says you have to have SP1 at least. And oddly it >>>> recommends SP2 installed. But that now runs totally against the >>>> grain of logic (to me at least). >>>> >>>> But I'd sure like to see it in more plain English like you said. >>> >>> >>> This page says different. >>> >>> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=68C48DAD-BC34-40BE-8D85-6BB4F56F5110&displaylang=en#filelist >>> >> >> BUT, if you actually read the contents of one the files at the link you >> posted, it says: >> >> Fundamentally, deploying Windows XP SP3 works the same as deploying SP1 >> and SP2 for Windows XP: >> - SP3 is cumulative, so users can install SP3 on top of Windows XP SP1 >> or SP2. >> - Windows XP SP3 supports the same languages as Windows XP did in its >> initial release. >> - You can run the SP3 update package on any edition of Windows XP SP1 or >> SP2. For example, you can >> run the SP3 update package on a computer running the Windows XP Media >> Center Edition with SP1. The >> exceptions are Embedded editions for XP wh >> Overview of Windows XP Service Pack 3. >> > And the key words are "on top of Windows XP SP1 or SP2". > Not on top of XP. a.. Supported Operating Systems: **Windows XP**; Windows XP Home Edition ; Windows b.. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ c.. XP Home Edition N; Windows XP Media Center Edition; Windows XP Professional Edition ; Windows XP Professional N; **Windows XP Service Pack 1; Windows XP Service Pack 2**; d.. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ e.. Windows XP Starter Edition; Windows XP Tablet PC Edition
Guest Frank-FL Posted May 13, 2008 Posted May 13, 2008 Re: XP Pro (Gold?) and SP3 "Bob I" <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:eaugArStIHA.3604@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > > > Big Al wrote: > >> Bob I wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Frank-FL wrote: >>> >>>> "Big Al" <BigAl@nowhere.com> wrote in message >>>> news:xZDVj.3527$5b3.360@trnddc05... >>>> >>>>> ClueLess wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi All >>>>>> >>>>>> I see many posts stating that SP3 can be installed only after applying >>>>>> either SP1 or SP2 >>>>>> >>>>>> I have already successfully slipstreamed SP3 on XP-SP2 and made a >>>>>> fresh install which went smoothly, no problems. >>>>>> >>>>>> Today I tried with my original XP Pro (Retail) and the slipstreaming >>>>>> with nLite went without any warning or hitch. That means, AFAICS, >>>>>> update.exe did not check whether XP was with either SP1 or SP2. >>>>>> >>>>>> Since I have no spare hard disk I did not try to install it and see if >>>>>> there is a problem. >>>>>> >>>>>> Having slipstreamed I believe there should be no problem. I will get a >>>>>> new hard disk and install this weekend and come back. >>>>>> >>>>>> Meantime if anyone has more information please respond. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windowsxp/cc164204.aspx >>>>> This article says you have to have SP1 at least. And oddly it >>>>> recommends SP2 installed. But that now runs totally against the >>>>> grain of logic (to me at least). >>>>> >>>>> But I'd sure like to see it in more plain English like you said. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> This page says different. >>>> >>>> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=68C48DAD-BC34-40BE-8D85-6BB4F56F5110&displaylang=en#filelist >>>> >>> >>> >>> BUT, if you actually read the contents of one the files at the link >>> you posted, it says: >>> >>> Fundamentally, deploying Windows XP SP3 works the same as deploying >>> SP1 and SP2 for Windows XP: >>> - SP3 is cumulative, so users can install SP3 on top of Windows XP SP1 >>> or SP2. >>> - Windows XP SP3 supports the same languages as Windows XP did in its >>> initial release. >>> - You can run the SP3 update package on any edition of Windows XP SP1 >>> or SP2. For example, you can >>> run the SP3 update package on a computer running the Windows XP Media >>> Center Edition with SP1. The >>> exceptions are Embedded editions for XP wh >>> Overview of Windows XP Service Pack 3. >>> >> And the key words are "on top of Windows XP SP1 or SP2". >> Not on top of XP. > > Correctamundo!!! Both of you must have learned reading comprehension from the USA public school system.
Guest Colin Barnhorst Posted May 13, 2008 Posted May 13, 2008 Re: XP Pro (Gold?) and SP3 I hope you find the link because that sounds exactly like what came out of some discussions in the SP3 beta newsgroup. I wish that the newsgroup was still on the betanews server so I could retrieve some quotes from the team but MS took the ng down a couple of months ago. One thing I remember clearly is that slipstreaming works but the resulting installed OS is broken someplace. "Big Al" <BigAl@nowhere.com> wrote in message news:7AnWj.20195$5b3.5621@trnddc05... > Colin Barnhorst wrote: >> The rollup of issued patches and updates is cumulative. Other changes >> written only by a service pack installer and not later released in an >> update would not be included and would not be part of the cumulative >> rollup feature of a later sp. This does not negate the rollup nature of >> a later sp. >> >> The bottom line to all of this is that we all know that SP3 will not >> install on an XP Gold installation of Windows when using Windows Update >> since MS is blocking this so something is going on relating to SP3 and XP >> Gold. So why take a chance that the same issue would not exist when >> applying other methods of integrating SP3? The two-stage creation of a >> slipstreamed cd is straight forward and renders the question of doing a >> single-stage integration pretty academic so why not just do it that way >> to be safe? >> >> The discussion on this point in this ng shows very different opinions but >> these are academic issues. For the user, the practical approach to >> creating an integrated cd should be to use a method guaranteed to avoid >> the problem entirely. If you can make one slipstreamed cd you obviously >> are in a position to make two so the resolution to the uncertainties is >> just do it. >> >> "student" <guest@csus__.edu> wrote in message >> news:UeWdncpcMvrCbbTVnZ2dnUVZ_jOdnZ2d@comcast.com... >>> The overview claims that sp3 is "cumulative"; if sp1 or sp2 is >>> "required" then >>> sp3 does not do what sp1 or sp2 did; if certain files are changed in >>> sp1/sp2 >>> & not sp3 then sp3 is NOT cumulative. >>> >>> Therefore m$ lied about sp3 if either sp1 or sp2 is required. >>> >>> >>> On 2008-05-13, Colin Barnhorst <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote: >>>> However, more details in the linked documentation exclude anything >>>> before XP >>>> SP1. >>>> >>>> "Frank-FL" <bbunny@bqik.net> wrote in message >>>> news:uZEhpbRtIHA.1872@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>> >>>> "PD43" <pauld1943@comcast.net> wrote in message >>>> news:qhke249l6pvanovmgju7ehme8qulthavdk@4ax.com... >>>>> "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> There is, according to the SP3 beta team. See my reply in this >>>>>> thread. >>>>>> I'm >>>>>> sure I don't have it 100% correct but I am sure that the team said >>>>>> slipstreaming on XP Gold would produce an integrated cd that would >>>>>> install >>>>>> a >>>>>> defective XP. >>>>> >>>>> It seems to be a "common sense" thing to me - and I like to play >>>>> around with my system (just checked my Vista services settings with >>>>> Black Viper's "tweaked"- I only found three settings I could stop that >>>>> I hadn't stopped). >>>>> >>>>> That said, why anyone would try something when slipstreaming that >>>>> isn't recommended is beyond my comprehension. >>>>>> >>>>>> "PD43" <pauld1943@comcast.net> wrote in message >>>>>> news:cn5e24p8afouv8ickjm3a96nanm8gfisg3@4ax.com... >>>>>>> ClueLess <clueless@wilderness.org.invalid> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Today I tried with my original XP Pro (Retail) and the >>>>>>>> slipstreaming >>>>>>>> with nLite went without any warning or hitch. That means, AFAICS, >>>>>>>> update.exe did not check whether XP was with either SP1 or SP2. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes, but are you SURE that you now have SP1 and SP2 files on that >>>>>>> slipstreamed disc? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There must be a good reason why SP1 is required and SP2 is >>>>>>> recommended. >>>> >>>> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=68C48DAD-BC34-40BE-8D85-6BB4F56F5110&displaylang=en#filelist >>>> >>>> System Requirements >>>> a.. Supported Operating Systems: Windows XP; Windows XP Home Edition >>>> ; >>>> Windows XP Home Edition N; Windows XP Media Center Edition; Windows XP >>>> Professional Edition ; Windows XP Professional N; Windows XP Service >>>> Pack 1; >>>> Windows XP Service Pack 2; Windows XP Starter Edition; Windows XP >>>> Tablet PC >>>> Edition >>>> Windows® XP >>>> >> > I read someplace that there is a piece of software missing in XPGold that > makes slipstream of SP3 impossible, or renders it somewhat broken. I wish > I had bookmarked the link, but it seemed pretty authoritative. And > obviously SP1 or SP2 have put that 'thing' into the OS making SP3 work.
Guest Big Al Posted May 13, 2008 Posted May 13, 2008 Re: XP Pro (Gold?) and SP3 Colin Barnhorst wrote: > I hope you find the link because that sounds exactly like what came out > of some discussions in the SP3 beta newsgroup. I wish that the > newsgroup was still on the betanews server so I could retrieve some > quotes from the team but MS took the ng down a couple of months ago. > One thing I remember clearly is that slipstreaming works but the > resulting installed OS is broken someplace. > > "Big Al" <BigAl@nowhere.com> wrote in message > news:7AnWj.20195$5b3.5621@trnddc05... >> Colin Barnhorst wrote: >>> The rollup of issued patches and updates is cumulative. Other >>> changes written only by a service pack installer and not later >>> released in an update would not be included and would not be part of >>> the cumulative rollup feature of a later sp. This does not negate >>> the rollup nature of a later sp. >>> >>> The bottom line to all of this is that we all know that SP3 will not >>> install on an XP Gold installation of Windows when using Windows >>> Update since MS is blocking this so something is going on relating to >>> SP3 and XP Gold. So why take a chance that the same issue would not >>> exist when applying other methods of integrating SP3? The two-stage >>> creation of a slipstreamed cd is straight forward and renders the >>> question of doing a single-stage integration pretty academic so why >>> not just do it that way to be safe? >>> >>> The discussion on this point in this ng shows very different opinions >>> but these are academic issues. For the user, the practical approach >>> to creating an integrated cd should be to use a method guaranteed to >>> avoid the problem entirely. If you can make one slipstreamed cd you >>> obviously are in a position to make two so the resolution to the >>> uncertainties is just do it. >>> >>> "student" <guest@csus__.edu> wrote in message >>> news:UeWdncpcMvrCbbTVnZ2dnUVZ_jOdnZ2d@comcast.com... >>>> The overview claims that sp3 is "cumulative"; if sp1 or sp2 is >>>> "required" then >>>> sp3 does not do what sp1 or sp2 did; if certain files are changed in >>>> sp1/sp2 >>>> & not sp3 then sp3 is NOT cumulative. >>>> >>>> Therefore m$ lied about sp3 if either sp1 or sp2 is required. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 2008-05-13, Colin Barnhorst <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote: >>>>> However, more details in the linked documentation exclude anything >>>>> before XP >>>>> SP1. >>>>> >>>>> "Frank-FL" <bbunny@bqik.net> wrote in message >>>>> news:uZEhpbRtIHA.1872@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>> >>>>> "PD43" <pauld1943@comcast.net> wrote in message >>>>> news:qhke249l6pvanovmgju7ehme8qulthavdk@4ax.com... >>>>>> "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> There is, according to the SP3 beta team. See my reply in this >>>>>>> thread. >>>>>>> I'm >>>>>>> sure I don't have it 100% correct but I am sure that the team said >>>>>>> slipstreaming on XP Gold would produce an integrated cd that >>>>>>> would install >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> defective XP. >>>>>> >>>>>> It seems to be a "common sense" thing to me - and I like to play >>>>>> around with my system (just checked my Vista services settings with >>>>>> Black Viper's "tweaked"- I only found three settings I could stop >>>>>> that >>>>>> I hadn't stopped). >>>>>> >>>>>> That said, why anyone would try something when slipstreaming that >>>>>> isn't recommended is beyond my comprehension. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "PD43" <pauld1943@comcast.net> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:cn5e24p8afouv8ickjm3a96nanm8gfisg3@4ax.com... >>>>>>>> ClueLess <clueless@wilderness.org.invalid> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Today I tried with my original XP Pro (Retail) and the >>>>>>>>> slipstreaming >>>>>>>>> with nLite went without any warning or hitch. That means, AFAICS, >>>>>>>>> update.exe did not check whether XP was with either SP1 or SP2. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yes, but are you SURE that you now have SP1 and SP2 files on that >>>>>>>> slipstreamed disc? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There must be a good reason why SP1 is required and SP2 is >>>>>>>> recommended. >>>>> >>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=68C48DAD-BC34-40BE-8D85-6BB4F56F5110&displaylang=en#filelist >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> System Requirements >>>>> a.. Supported Operating Systems: Windows XP; Windows XP Home >>>>> Edition ; >>>>> Windows XP Home Edition N; Windows XP Media Center Edition; Windows XP >>>>> Professional Edition ; Windows XP Professional N; Windows XP >>>>> Service Pack 1; >>>>> Windows XP Service Pack 2; Windows XP Starter Edition; Windows XP >>>>> Tablet PC >>>>> Edition >>>>> Windows® XP >>>>> >>> >> I read someplace that there is a piece of software missing in XPGold >> that makes slipstream of SP3 impossible, or renders it somewhat >> broken. I wish I had bookmarked the link, but it seemed pretty >> authoritative. And obviously SP1 or SP2 have put that 'thing' into >> the OS making SP3 work. > It had to be in the past week, I'll browse my history for a bit over the next day. I'd love to pass it on. I've been bookmarking every "good" link lately that anyone here has posted. Its easier to bounce them back at others. I'm brainless and need a PC to help me :-)
Guest Big Al Posted May 13, 2008 Posted May 13, 2008 Re: XP Pro (Gold?) and SP3 Colin Barnhorst wrote: > I hope you find the link because that sounds exactly like what came out > of some discussions in the SP3 beta newsgroup. I wish that the > newsgroup was still on the betanews server so I could retrieve some > quotes from the team but MS took the ng down a couple of months ago. > One thing I remember clearly is that slipstreaming works but the > resulting installed OS is broken someplace. > > "Big Al" <BigAl@nowhere.com> wrote in message > news:7AnWj.20195$5b3.5621@trnddc05... >> Colin Barnhorst wrote: >>> The rollup of issued patches and updates is cumulative. Other >>> changes written only by a service pack installer and not later >>> released in an update would not be included and would not be part of >>> the cumulative rollup feature of a later sp. This does not negate >>> the rollup nature of a later sp. >>> >>> The bottom line to all of this is that we all know that SP3 will not >>> install on an XP Gold installation of Windows when using Windows >>> Update since MS is blocking this so something is going on relating to >>> SP3 and XP Gold. So why take a chance that the same issue would not >>> exist when applying other methods of integrating SP3? The two-stage >>> creation of a slipstreamed cd is straight forward and renders the >>> question of doing a single-stage integration pretty academic so why >>> not just do it that way to be safe? >>> >>> The discussion on this point in this ng shows very different opinions >>> but these are academic issues. For the user, the practical approach >>> to creating an integrated cd should be to use a method guaranteed to >>> avoid the problem entirely. If you can make one slipstreamed cd you >>> obviously are in a position to make two so the resolution to the >>> uncertainties is just do it. >>> >>> "student" <guest@csus__.edu> wrote in message >>> news:UeWdncpcMvrCbbTVnZ2dnUVZ_jOdnZ2d@comcast.com... >>>> The overview claims that sp3 is "cumulative"; if sp1 or sp2 is >>>> "required" then >>>> sp3 does not do what sp1 or sp2 did; if certain files are changed in >>>> sp1/sp2 >>>> & not sp3 then sp3 is NOT cumulative. >>>> >>>> Therefore m$ lied about sp3 if either sp1 or sp2 is required. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 2008-05-13, Colin Barnhorst <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote: >>>>> However, more details in the linked documentation exclude anything >>>>> before XP >>>>> SP1. >>>>> >>>>> "Frank-FL" <bbunny@bqik.net> wrote in message >>>>> news:uZEhpbRtIHA.1872@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>> >>>>> "PD43" <pauld1943@comcast.net> wrote in message >>>>> news:qhke249l6pvanovmgju7ehme8qulthavdk@4ax.com... >>>>>> "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> There is, according to the SP3 beta team. See my reply in this >>>>>>> thread. >>>>>>> I'm >>>>>>> sure I don't have it 100% correct but I am sure that the team said >>>>>>> slipstreaming on XP Gold would produce an integrated cd that >>>>>>> would install >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> defective XP. >>>>>> >>>>>> It seems to be a "common sense" thing to me - and I like to play >>>>>> around with my system (just checked my Vista services settings with >>>>>> Black Viper's "tweaked"- I only found three settings I could stop >>>>>> that >>>>>> I hadn't stopped). >>>>>> >>>>>> That said, why anyone would try something when slipstreaming that >>>>>> isn't recommended is beyond my comprehension. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "PD43" <pauld1943@comcast.net> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:cn5e24p8afouv8ickjm3a96nanm8gfisg3@4ax.com... >>>>>>>> ClueLess <clueless@wilderness.org.invalid> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Today I tried with my original XP Pro (Retail) and the >>>>>>>>> slipstreaming >>>>>>>>> with nLite went without any warning or hitch. That means, AFAICS, >>>>>>>>> update.exe did not check whether XP was with either SP1 or SP2. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yes, but are you SURE that you now have SP1 and SP2 files on that >>>>>>>> slipstreamed disc? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There must be a good reason why SP1 is required and SP2 is >>>>>>>> recommended. >>>>> >>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=68C48DAD-BC34-40BE-8D85-6BB4F56F5110&displaylang=en#filelist >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> System Requirements >>>>> a.. Supported Operating Systems: Windows XP; Windows XP Home >>>>> Edition ; >>>>> Windows XP Home Edition N; Windows XP Media Center Edition; Windows XP >>>>> Professional Edition ; Windows XP Professional N; Windows XP >>>>> Service Pack 1; >>>>> Windows XP Service Pack 2; Windows XP Starter Edition; Windows XP >>>>> Tablet PC >>>>> Edition >>>>> Windows® XP >>>>> >>> >> I read someplace that there is a piece of software missing in XPGold >> that makes slipstream of SP3 impossible, or renders it somewhat >> broken. I wish I had bookmarked the link, but it seemed pretty >> authoritative. And obviously SP1 or SP2 have put that 'thing' into >> the OS making SP3 work. > This seems to be the only link I can find. MS might be hedging on the safe side because of something like this. Better to say use SP1 than no and then have people complain huh?!! http://www.theeldergeek.com/slipstreamed_xpsp3_cd_final.htm The extract is: In every other slipstreaming tutorial I've done I've always had the 'I experienced absolutely no problems' sentence in the previous paragraph. It still holds true with SP3 but with a caveat. One of the changes in SP3 involves Windows Product Activation and being able to perform a full, integrated installation of Windows XP SP3 without providing the product key during the installation. This is true, but only if you use Windows XP SP1 or Windows XP SP2 as the basis for the slipstreamed CD. It does not hold true when you use a Gold Edition CD as has always been my practice in previous slipstreaming tutorials.
Guest Colin Barnhorst Posted May 14, 2008 Posted May 14, 2008 Re: XP Pro (Gold?) and SP3 That's a bit more specific than I have seen so far, so good job. I do recall some beta testers suspected that the later introduction of WGA might be related as well but the team would not comment on that point. The team stated that a number of problems could occur unless the user stuck to SP1 and later. We never could get a specific example out of them but a couple of testers commented that they had seen a flaky thing or two. If you want to see how screwed up a slipstreamed product can be, just for fun use Vista x86 as the platform and then slipstream any XP cd with SP3. Sometimes you get an OEM copy that wants a VLK pk, and so on. I think it is because the servicing stack in Vista does not support slipstreaming. MS says that they will fix that in a future Vista service pack but it did not happen in SP1. "Big Al" <BigAl@nowhere.com> wrote in message news:TupWj.21858$5b3.17707@trnddc05... > Colin Barnhorst wrote: >> I hope you find the link because that sounds exactly like what came out >> of some discussions in the SP3 beta newsgroup. I wish that the newsgroup >> was still on the betanews server so I could retrieve some quotes from the >> team but MS took the ng down a couple of months ago. One thing I >> remember clearly is that slipstreaming works but the resulting installed >> OS is broken someplace. >> >> "Big Al" <BigAl@nowhere.com> wrote in message >> news:7AnWj.20195$5b3.5621@trnddc05... >>> Colin Barnhorst wrote: >>>> The rollup of issued patches and updates is cumulative. Other changes >>>> written only by a service pack installer and not later released in an >>>> update would not be included and would not be part of the cumulative >>>> rollup feature of a later sp. This does not negate the rollup nature >>>> of a later sp. >>>> >>>> The bottom line to all of this is that we all know that SP3 will not >>>> install on an XP Gold installation of Windows when using Windows Update >>>> since MS is blocking this so something is going on relating to SP3 and >>>> XP Gold. So why take a chance that the same issue would not exist when >>>> applying other methods of integrating SP3? The two-stage creation of a >>>> slipstreamed cd is straight forward and renders the question of doing a >>>> single-stage integration pretty academic so why not just do it that way >>>> to be safe? >>>> >>>> The discussion on this point in this ng shows very different opinions >>>> but these are academic issues. For the user, the practical approach to >>>> creating an integrated cd should be to use a method guaranteed to avoid >>>> the problem entirely. If you can make one slipstreamed cd you >>>> obviously are in a position to make two so the resolution to the >>>> uncertainties is just do it. >>>> >>>> "student" <guest@csus__.edu> wrote in message >>>> news:UeWdncpcMvrCbbTVnZ2dnUVZ_jOdnZ2d@comcast.com... >>>>> The overview claims that sp3 is "cumulative"; if sp1 or sp2 is >>>>> "required" then >>>>> sp3 does not do what sp1 or sp2 did; if certain files are changed in >>>>> sp1/sp2 >>>>> & not sp3 then sp3 is NOT cumulative. >>>>> >>>>> Therefore m$ lied about sp3 if either sp1 or sp2 is required. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 2008-05-13, Colin Barnhorst <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote: >>>>>> However, more details in the linked documentation exclude anything >>>>>> before XP >>>>>> SP1. >>>>>> >>>>>> "Frank-FL" <bbunny@bqik.net> wrote in message >>>>>> news:uZEhpbRtIHA.1872@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>>> >>>>>> "PD43" <pauld1943@comcast.net> wrote in message >>>>>> news:qhke249l6pvanovmgju7ehme8qulthavdk@4ax.com... >>>>>>> "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There is, according to the SP3 beta team. See my reply in this >>>>>>>> thread. >>>>>>>> I'm >>>>>>>> sure I don't have it 100% correct but I am sure that the team said >>>>>>>> slipstreaming on XP Gold would produce an integrated cd that would >>>>>>>> install >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> defective XP. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It seems to be a "common sense" thing to me - and I like to play >>>>>>> around with my system (just checked my Vista services settings with >>>>>>> Black Viper's "tweaked"- I only found three settings I could stop >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> I hadn't stopped). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That said, why anyone would try something when slipstreaming that >>>>>>> isn't recommended is beyond my comprehension. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "PD43" <pauld1943@comcast.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:cn5e24p8afouv8ickjm3a96nanm8gfisg3@4ax.com... >>>>>>>>> ClueLess <clueless@wilderness.org.invalid> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Today I tried with my original XP Pro (Retail) and the >>>>>>>>>> slipstreaming >>>>>>>>>> with nLite went without any warning or hitch. That means, AFAICS, >>>>>>>>>> update.exe did not check whether XP was with either SP1 or SP2. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yes, but are you SURE that you now have SP1 and SP2 files on that >>>>>>>>> slipstreamed disc? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> There must be a good reason why SP1 is required and SP2 is >>>>>>>>> recommended. >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=68C48DAD-BC34-40BE-8D85-6BB4F56F5110&displaylang=en#filelist >>>>>> >>>>>> System Requirements >>>>>> a.. Supported Operating Systems: Windows XP; Windows XP Home >>>>>> Edition ; >>>>>> Windows XP Home Edition N; Windows XP Media Center Edition; Windows >>>>>> XP >>>>>> Professional Edition ; Windows XP Professional N; Windows XP Service >>>>>> Pack 1; >>>>>> Windows XP Service Pack 2; Windows XP Starter Edition; Windows XP >>>>>> Tablet PC >>>>>> Edition >>>>>> Windows® XP >>>>>> >>>> >>> I read someplace that there is a piece of software missing in XPGold >>> that makes slipstream of SP3 impossible, or renders it somewhat broken. >>> I wish I had bookmarked the link, but it seemed pretty authoritative. >>> And obviously SP1 or SP2 have put that 'thing' into the OS making SP3 >>> work. >> > This seems to be the only link I can find. MS might be hedging on the > safe side because of something like this. Better to say use SP1 than no > and then have people complain huh?!! > > http://www.theeldergeek.com/slipstreamed_xpsp3_cd_final.htm > > The extract is: > In every other slipstreaming tutorial I've done I've always had the 'I > experienced absolutely no problems' sentence in the previous paragraph. It > still holds true with SP3 but with a caveat. One of the changes in SP3 > involves Windows Product Activation and being able to perform a full, > integrated installation of Windows XP SP3 without providing the product > key during the installation. This is true, but only if you use Windows XP > SP1 or Windows XP SP2 as the basis for the slipstreamed CD. It does not > hold true when you use a Gold Edition CD as has always been my practice in > previous slipstreaming tutorials.
Guest Bob I Posted May 14, 2008 Posted May 14, 2008 Re: XP Pro (Gold?) and SP3 Frank-FL wrote: > "Bob I" <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:OJtb0FStIHA.4076@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > >> >>Frank-FL wrote: >> >> >>>"Big Al" <BigAl@nowhere.com> wrote in message news:xZDVj.3527$5b3.360@trnddc05... >>> >>> >>>>ClueLess wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>Hi All >>>>> >>>>>I see many posts stating that SP3 can be installed only after applying >>>>>either SP1 or SP2 >>>>> >>>>>I have already successfully slipstreamed SP3 on XP-SP2 and made a >>>>>fresh install which went smoothly, no problems. >>>>> >>>>>Today I tried with my original XP Pro (Retail) and the slipstreaming >>>>>with nLite went without any warning or hitch. That means, AFAICS, >>>>>update.exe did not check whether XP was with either SP1 or SP2. >>>>> >>>>>Since I have no spare hard disk I did not try to install it and see if >>>>>there is a problem. >>>>> >>>>>Having slipstreamed I believe there should be no problem. I will get a >>>>>new hard disk and install this weekend and come back. >>>>> >>>>>Meantime if anyone has more information please respond. >>>>> >>>> >>>>http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windowsxp/cc164204.aspx >>>>This article says you have to have SP1 at least. And oddly it >>>>recommends SP2 installed. But that now runs totally against the grain >>>>of logic (to me at least). >>>> >>>>But I'd sure like to see it in more plain English like you said. >>> >>> >>>This page says different. >>> >>>http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=68C48DAD-BC34-40BE-8D85-6BB4F56F5110&displaylang=en#filelist >> >>BUT, if you actually read the contents of one the files at the link you >>posted, it says: >> >>Fundamentally, deploying Windows XP SP3 works the same as deploying SP1 >>and SP2 for Windows XP: >>- SP3 is cumulative, so users can install SP3 on top of Windows XP SP1 >>or SP2. >>- Windows XP SP3 supports the same languages as Windows XP did in its >>initial release. >>- You can run the SP3 update package on any edition of Windows XP SP1 or >>SP2. For example, you can >>run the SP3 update package on a computer running the Windows XP Media >>Center Edition with SP1. The >>exceptions are Embedded editions for XP wh >>Overview of Windows XP Service Pack 3. > > > Yep, that is what the link states. Then WHY did you say, and I quote, "This page says different."
Guest Bob I Posted May 14, 2008 Posted May 14, 2008 Re: XP Pro (Gold?) and SP3 Frank-FL wrote: > "Bob I" <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:eaugArStIHA.3604@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > >> >>Big Al wrote: >> >> >>>Bob I wrote: >>> >>> >>>> >>>>Frank-FL wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>"Big Al" <BigAl@nowhere.com> wrote in message >>>>>news:xZDVj.3527$5b3.360@trnddc05... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>ClueLess wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Hi All >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I see many posts stating that SP3 can be installed only after applying >>>>>>>either SP1 or SP2 >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I have already successfully slipstreamed SP3 on XP-SP2 and made a >>>>>>>fresh install which went smoothly, no problems. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Today I tried with my original XP Pro (Retail) and the slipstreaming >>>>>>>with nLite went without any warning or hitch. That means, AFAICS, >>>>>>>update.exe did not check whether XP was with either SP1 or SP2. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Since I have no spare hard disk I did not try to install it and see if >>>>>>>there is a problem. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Having slipstreamed I believe there should be no problem. I will get a >>>>>>>new hard disk and install this weekend and come back. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Meantime if anyone has more information please respond. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windowsxp/cc164204.aspx >>>>>>This article says you have to have SP1 at least. And oddly it >>>>>>recommends SP2 installed. But that now runs totally against the >>>>>>grain of logic (to me at least). >>>>>> >>>>>>But I'd sure like to see it in more plain English like you said. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>This page says different. >>>>> >>>>>http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=68C48DAD-BC34-40BE-8D85-6BB4F56F5110&displaylang=en#filelist >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>BUT, if you actually read the contents of one the files at the link >>>>you posted, it says: >>>> >>>>Fundamentally, deploying Windows XP SP3 works the same as deploying >>>>SP1 and SP2 for Windows XP: >>>>- SP3 is cumulative, so users can install SP3 on top of Windows XP SP1 >>>>or SP2. >>>>- Windows XP SP3 supports the same languages as Windows XP did in its >>>>initial release. >>>>- You can run the SP3 update package on any edition of Windows XP SP1 >>>>or SP2. For example, you can >>>>run the SP3 update package on a computer running the Windows XP Media >>>>Center Edition with SP1. The >>>>exceptions are Embedded editions for XP wh >>>>Overview of Windows XP Service Pack 3. >>>> >>> >>>And the key words are "on top of Windows XP SP1 or SP2". >>>Not on top of XP. >> >>Correctamundo!!! > > > Both of you must have learned reading comprehension from the USA public > school system. Sorry but it's your posting language that is the issue.
Guest Big Al Posted May 14, 2008 Posted May 14, 2008 Re: XP Pro (Gold?) and SP3 Frank-FL wrote: > "Big Al" <BigAl@nowhere.com> wrote in message news:PTkWj.18136$5b3.17386@trnddc05... >> Bob I wrote: >>> >>> Frank-FL wrote: >>> >>>> "Big Al" <BigAl@nowhere.com> wrote in message >>>> news:xZDVj.3527$5b3.360@trnddc05... >>>> >>>>> ClueLess wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi All >>>>>> >>>>>> I see many posts stating that SP3 can be installed only after applying >>>>>> either SP1 or SP2 >>>>>> >>>>>> I have already successfully slipstreamed SP3 on XP-SP2 and made a >>>>>> fresh install which went smoothly, no problems. >>>>>> >>>>>> Today I tried with my original XP Pro (Retail) and the slipstreaming >>>>>> with nLite went without any warning or hitch. That means, AFAICS, >>>>>> update.exe did not check whether XP was with either SP1 or SP2. >>>>>> >>>>>> Since I have no spare hard disk I did not try to install it and see if >>>>>> there is a problem. >>>>>> >>>>>> Having slipstreamed I believe there should be no problem. I will get a >>>>>> new hard disk and install this weekend and come back. >>>>>> >>>>>> Meantime if anyone has more information please respond. >>>>>> >>>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windowsxp/cc164204.aspx >>>>> This article says you have to have SP1 at least. And oddly it >>>>> recommends SP2 installed. But that now runs totally against the >>>>> grain of logic (to me at least). >>>>> >>>>> But I'd sure like to see it in more plain English like you said. >>>> >>>> This page says different. >>>> >>>> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=68C48DAD-BC34-40BE-8D85-6BB4F56F5110&displaylang=en#filelist >>>> >>> BUT, if you actually read the contents of one the files at the link you >>> posted, it says: >>> >>> Fundamentally, deploying Windows XP SP3 works the same as deploying SP1 >>> and SP2 for Windows XP: >>> - SP3 is cumulative, so users can install SP3 on top of Windows XP SP1 >>> or SP2. >>> - Windows XP SP3 supports the same languages as Windows XP did in its >>> initial release. >>> - You can run the SP3 update package on any edition of Windows XP SP1 or >>> SP2. For example, you can >>> run the SP3 update package on a computer running the Windows XP Media >>> Center Edition with SP1. The >>> exceptions are Embedded editions for XP wh >>> Overview of Windows XP Service Pack 3. >>> >> And the key words are "on top of Windows XP SP1 or SP2". >> Not on top of XP. > > a.. Supported Operating Systems: **Windows XP**; Windows XP Home Edition ; Windows > b.. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > c.. XP Home Edition N; Windows XP Media Center Edition; Windows XP Professional Edition ; Windows XP Professional N; **Windows XP Service Pack 1; Windows XP Service Pack 2**; > d.. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > e.. Windows XP Starter Edition; Windows XP Tablet PC Edition > I totally agree. Microsoft is ambiguous at best in this document. You can read it two ways and you can read in or out anything you want. If I put my name on it, and since its so hard, I tell people to put in SP1 or 2, then 3. Only because of my previously quoted sentence in that article. I hedge to the safe side.
Guest Colin Barnhorst Posted May 14, 2008 Posted May 14, 2008 Re: XP Pro (Gold?) and SP3 From the Overview of Windows XP SP3 deployment section (in its entirety): "Deploying Windows XP SP3 Windows XP SP3 will be available through Windows Update and the Microsoft Download Center. The service pack will also be available to Volume License customers, TechNet subscribers, and MSDN® subscribers. Through Windows Update, the download size varies, but it is typically 70 megabytes (MB), depending on the computer's configuration. Through the Download Center, the download size is approximately 580 MB. Fundamentally, deploying Windows XP SP3 works the same as deploying SP1 and SP2 for Windows XP: ? SP3 is cumulative, so users can install SP3 on top of Windows XP SP1 or SP2. ? Windows XP SP3 supports the same languages as Windows XP did in its initial release. ? You can run the SP3 update package on any edition of Windows XP SP1 or SP2. For example, you can run the SP3 update package on a computer running the Windows XP Media Center Edition with SP1. The exceptions are Embedded editions for XP. ? Tools and guidance for system administrators have not fundamentally changed from Windows XP SP2. For comprehensive information, visit the Deploy Windows XP Professional and Windows XP Service Pack 2 Deployment Information sites on Microsoft TechNet. ? You can deploy SP3 using Microsoft Systems Management Server 2003, Microsoft System Center Configuration Manager 2007, or third-party solutions. The process has not fundamentally changed. Windows XP SP3 is for x86 editions of Windows XP only. The x64 editions of Windows XP were serviced by Windows Server 2003 SP2. For additional information, go to Windows Server 2003 Service Pack 2." Do you see anything that says that users can install SP3 on anything before SP1 or run the update package on anything before SP1? Is there something wrong with YOUR reading comprehension, Frank? "Frank-FL" <bbunny@bqik.net> wrote in message news:eIKYT1YtIHA.420@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... "Bob I" <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:eaugArStIHA.3604@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > > > Big Al wrote: > >> Bob I wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Frank-FL wrote: >>> >>>> "Big Al" <BigAl@nowhere.com> wrote in message >>>> news:xZDVj.3527$5b3.360@trnddc05... >>>> >>>>> ClueLess wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi All >>>>>> >>>>>> I see many posts stating that SP3 can be installed only after >>>>>> applying >>>>>> either SP1 or SP2 >>>>>> >>>>>> I have already successfully slipstreamed SP3 on XP-SP2 and made a >>>>>> fresh install which went smoothly, no problems. >>>>>> >>>>>> Today I tried with my original XP Pro (Retail) and the slipstreaming >>>>>> with nLite went without any warning or hitch. That means, AFAICS, >>>>>> update.exe did not check whether XP was with either SP1 or SP2. >>>>>> >>>>>> Since I have no spare hard disk I did not try to install it and see >>>>>> if >>>>>> there is a problem. >>>>>> >>>>>> Having slipstreamed I believe there should be no problem. I will get >>>>>> a >>>>>> new hard disk and install this weekend and come back. >>>>>> >>>>>> Meantime if anyone has more information please respond. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windowsxp/cc164204.aspx >>>>> This article says you have to have SP1 at least. And oddly it >>>>> recommends SP2 installed. But that now runs totally against the >>>>> grain of logic (to me at least). >>>>> >>>>> But I'd sure like to see it in more plain English like you said. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> This page says different. >>>> >>>> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=68C48DAD-BC34-40BE-8D85-6BB4F56F5110&displaylang=en#filelist >>>> >>> >>> >>> BUT, if you actually read the contents of one the files at the link >>> you posted, it says: >>> >>> Fundamentally, deploying Windows XP SP3 works the same as deploying >>> SP1 and SP2 for Windows XP: >>> - SP3 is cumulative, so users can install SP3 on top of Windows XP SP1 >>> or SP2. >>> - Windows XP SP3 supports the same languages as Windows XP did in its >>> initial release. >>> - You can run the SP3 update package on any edition of Windows XP SP1 >>> or SP2. For example, you can >>> run the SP3 update package on a computer running the Windows XP Media >>> Center Edition with SP1. The >>> exceptions are Embedded editions for XP wh >>> Overview of Windows XP Service Pack 3. >>> >> And the key words are "on top of Windows XP SP1 or SP2". >> Not on top of XP. > > Correctamundo!!! Both of you must have learned reading comprehension from the USA public school system.
Guest Colin Barnhorst Posted May 14, 2008 Posted May 14, 2008 Re: XP Pro (Gold?) and SP3 From the SP3 Overview: "You can run the SP3 update package on any edition of Windows XP SP1 or SP2." "Frank-FL" <bbunny@bqik.net> wrote in message news:%23pZNT1YtIHA.420@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... "Big Al" <BigAl@nowhere.com> wrote in message news:PTkWj.18136$5b3.17386@trnddc05... > Bob I wrote: >> >> >> Frank-FL wrote: >> >>> "Big Al" <BigAl@nowhere.com> wrote in message >>> news:xZDVj.3527$5b3.360@trnddc05... >>> >>>> ClueLess wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi All >>>>> >>>>> I see many posts stating that SP3 can be installed only after applying >>>>> either SP1 or SP2 >>>>> >>>>> I have already successfully slipstreamed SP3 on XP-SP2 and made a >>>>> fresh install which went smoothly, no problems. >>>>> >>>>> Today I tried with my original XP Pro (Retail) and the slipstreaming >>>>> with nLite went without any warning or hitch. That means, AFAICS, >>>>> update.exe did not check whether XP was with either SP1 or SP2. >>>>> >>>>> Since I have no spare hard disk I did not try to install it and see if >>>>> there is a problem. >>>>> >>>>> Having slipstreamed I believe there should be no problem. I will get a >>>>> new hard disk and install this weekend and come back. >>>>> >>>>> Meantime if anyone has more information please respond. >>>>> >>>> >>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windowsxp/cc164204.aspx >>>> This article says you have to have SP1 at least. And oddly it >>>> recommends SP2 installed. But that now runs totally against the >>>> grain of logic (to me at least). >>>> >>>> But I'd sure like to see it in more plain English like you said. >>> >>> >>> This page says different. >>> >>> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=68C48DAD-BC34-40BE-8D85-6BB4F56F5110&displaylang=en#filelist >>> >> >> BUT, if you actually read the contents of one the files at the link you >> posted, it says: >> >> Fundamentally, deploying Windows XP SP3 works the same as deploying SP1 >> and SP2 for Windows XP: >> - SP3 is cumulative, so users can install SP3 on top of Windows XP SP1 >> or SP2. >> - Windows XP SP3 supports the same languages as Windows XP did in its >> initial release. >> - You can run the SP3 update package on any edition of Windows XP SP1 or >> SP2. For example, you can >> run the SP3 update package on a computer running the Windows XP Media >> Center Edition with SP1. The >> exceptions are Embedded editions for XP wh >> Overview of Windows XP Service Pack 3. >> > And the key words are "on top of Windows XP SP1 or SP2". > Not on top of XP. a.. Supported Operating Systems: **Windows XP**; Windows XP Home Edition ; Windows b.. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ c.. XP Home Edition N; Windows XP Media Center Edition; Windows XP Professional Edition ; Windows XP Professional N; **Windows XP Service Pack 1; Windows XP Service Pack 2**; d.. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ e.. Windows XP Starter Edition; Windows XP Tablet PC Edition
Guest student Posted May 14, 2008 Posted May 14, 2008 Re: XP Pro (Gold?) and SP3 Please note the word is "can" and not "must"; "can" means it is possible to do it while "must" meant one have to do it as it is required.. The semantics is that it is possible to install sp3 on a system with sp1 or sp2; the lines quoteded doesn't say that one MUST install with sp1 or sp2 already installed. There is nothing that say installing onto "gold" cannot be done successfully. Quite problable that it was instigated by lawyers to be deliberately vague so m$ claim different interpretations. ["Followup-To:" header set to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general.] On 2008-05-14, Colin Barnhorst <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote: > From the Overview of Windows XP SP3 deployment section (in its entirety): > > "Deploying Windows XP SP3 > Windows XP SP3 will be available through Windows Update and the Microsoft > Download Center. The service > pack will also be available to Volume License customers, TechNet > subscribers, and MSDN® subscribers. > Through Windows Update, the download size varies, but it is typically 70 > megabytes (MB), depending on the > computer's configuration. Through the Download Center, the download size is > approximately 580 MB. > Fundamentally, deploying Windows XP SP3 works the same as deploying SP1 and > SP2 for Windows XP: > ? SP3 is cumulative, so users can install SP3 on top of Windows XP SP1 or > SP2. > ? Windows XP SP3 supports the same languages as Windows XP did in its > initial release. > ? You can run the SP3 update package on any edition of Windows XP SP1 or > SP2. For example, you can > run the SP3 update package on a computer running the Windows XP Media Center > Edition with SP1. The > exceptions are Embedded editions for XP. > ? Tools and guidance for system administrators have not fundamentally > changed from Windows XP SP2. > For comprehensive information, visit the Deploy Windows XP Professional and > Windows XP Service > Pack 2 Deployment Information sites on Microsoft TechNet. > ? You can deploy SP3 using Microsoft Systems Management Server 2003, > Microsoft System Center > Configuration Manager 2007, or third-party solutions. The process has not > fundamentally changed. > Windows XP SP3 is for x86 editions of Windows XP only. The x64 editions of > Windows XP were serviced by > Windows Server 2003 SP2. For additional information, go to Windows Server > 2003 Service Pack 2." > > Do you see anything that says that users can install SP3 on anything before > SP1 or run the update package on anything before SP1? > > Is there something wrong with YOUR reading comprehension, Frank? > > "Frank-FL" <bbunny@bqik.net> wrote in message > news:eIKYT1YtIHA.420@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > > "Bob I" <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:eaugArStIHA.3604@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >> >> >> Big Al wrote: >> >>> Bob I wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Frank-FL wrote: >>>> >>>>> "Big Al" <BigAl@nowhere.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:xZDVj.3527$5b3.360@trnddc05... >>>>> >>>>>> ClueLess wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi All >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I see many posts stating that SP3 can be installed only after >>>>>>> applying >>>>>>> either SP1 or SP2 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have already successfully slipstreamed SP3 on XP-SP2 and made a >>>>>>> fresh install which went smoothly, no problems. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Today I tried with my original XP Pro (Retail) and the slipstreaming >>>>>>> with nLite went without any warning or hitch. That means, AFAICS, >>>>>>> update.exe did not check whether XP was with either SP1 or SP2. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Since I have no spare hard disk I did not try to install it and see >>>>>>> if >>>>>>> there is a problem. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Having slipstreamed I believe there should be no problem. I will get >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> new hard disk and install this weekend and come back. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Meantime if anyone has more information please respond. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windowsxp/cc164204.aspx >>>>>> This article says you have to have SP1 at least. And oddly it >>>>>> recommends SP2 installed. But that now runs totally against the >>>>>> grain of logic (to me at least). >>>>>> >>>>>> But I'd sure like to see it in more plain English like you said. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> This page says different. >>>>> >>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=68C48DAD-BC34-40BE-8D85-6BB4F56F5110&displaylang=en#filelist >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> BUT, if you actually read the contents of one the files at the link >>>> you posted, it says: >>>> >>>> Fundamentally, deploying Windows XP SP3 works the same as deploying >>>> SP1 and SP2 for Windows XP: >>>> - SP3 is cumulative, so users can install SP3 on top of Windows XP SP1 >>>> or SP2. >>>> - Windows XP SP3 supports the same languages as Windows XP did in its >>>> initial release. >>>> - You can run the SP3 update package on any edition of Windows XP SP1 >>>> or SP2. For example, you can >>>> run the SP3 update package on a computer running the Windows XP Media >>>> Center Edition with SP1. The >>>> exceptions are Embedded editions for XP wh >>>> Overview of Windows XP Service Pack 3. >>>> >>> And the key words are "on top of Windows XP SP1 or SP2". >>> Not on top of XP. >> >> Correctamundo!!! > > Both of you must have learned reading comprehension from the USA public > school system. >
Guest Colin Barnhorst Posted May 14, 2008 Posted May 14, 2008 Re: XP Pro (Gold?) and SP3 Semantics, shemantics, it says what it says for a reason. Whatever the reason, it is prudent to take it into account. This is not a court. We are trying to help folks avoid problems and in this case it seems wiser to take a conservative approach and advise that there may be a problem. "student" <guest@csus__.edu> wrote in message news:W5adnR8DJvnSZLfVnZ2dnUVZ_uidnZ2d@comcast.com... > Please note the word is "can" and not "must"; "can" means it is possible > to > do it while "must" meant one have to do it as it is required.. > > The semantics is that it is possible to install sp3 on a system with sp1 > or sp2; > the lines quoteded doesn't say that one MUST install with sp1 or sp2 > already > installed. There is nothing that say installing onto "gold" cannot be > done > successfully. > > Quite problable that it was instigated by lawyers to be deliberately vague > so m$ claim different interpretations. > > ["Followup-To:" header set to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general.] > On 2008-05-14, Colin Barnhorst <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote: >> From the Overview of Windows XP SP3 deployment section (in its entirety): >> >> "Deploying Windows XP SP3 >> Windows XP SP3 will be available through Windows Update and the Microsoft >> Download Center. The service >> pack will also be available to Volume License customers, TechNet >> subscribers, and MSDN® subscribers. >> Through Windows Update, the download size varies, but it is typically 70 >> megabytes (MB), depending on the >> computer's configuration. Through the Download Center, the download size >> is >> approximately 580 MB. >> Fundamentally, deploying Windows XP SP3 works the same as deploying SP1 >> and >> SP2 for Windows XP: >> ? SP3 is cumulative, so users can install SP3 on top of Windows XP SP1 or >> SP2. >> ? Windows XP SP3 supports the same languages as Windows XP did in its >> initial release. >> ? You can run the SP3 update package on any edition of Windows XP SP1 or >> SP2. For example, you can >> run the SP3 update package on a computer running the Windows XP Media >> Center >> Edition with SP1. The >> exceptions are Embedded editions for XP. >> ? Tools and guidance for system administrators have not fundamentally >> changed from Windows XP SP2. >> For comprehensive information, visit the Deploy Windows XP Professional >> and >> Windows XP Service >> Pack 2 Deployment Information sites on Microsoft TechNet. >> ? You can deploy SP3 using Microsoft Systems Management Server 2003, >> Microsoft System Center >> Configuration Manager 2007, or third-party solutions. The process has not >> fundamentally changed. >> Windows XP SP3 is for x86 editions of Windows XP only. The x64 editions >> of >> Windows XP were serviced by >> Windows Server 2003 SP2. For additional information, go to Windows Server >> 2003 Service Pack 2." >> >> Do you see anything that says that users can install SP3 on anything >> before >> SP1 or run the update package on anything before SP1? >> >> Is there something wrong with YOUR reading comprehension, Frank? >> >> "Frank-FL" <bbunny@bqik.net> wrote in message >> news:eIKYT1YtIHA.420@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >> >> "Bob I" <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> news:eaugArStIHA.3604@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>> >>> >>> Big Al wrote: >>> >>>> Bob I wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Frank-FL wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> "Big Al" <BigAl@nowhere.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:xZDVj.3527$5b3.360@trnddc05... >>>>>> >>>>>>> ClueLess wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi All >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I see many posts stating that SP3 can be installed only after >>>>>>>> applying >>>>>>>> either SP1 or SP2 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have already successfully slipstreamed SP3 on XP-SP2 and made a >>>>>>>> fresh install which went smoothly, no problems. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Today I tried with my original XP Pro (Retail) and the >>>>>>>> slipstreaming >>>>>>>> with nLite went without any warning or hitch. That means, AFAICS, >>>>>>>> update.exe did not check whether XP was with either SP1 or SP2. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Since I have no spare hard disk I did not try to install it and see >>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>> there is a problem. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Having slipstreamed I believe there should be no problem. I will >>>>>>>> get >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> new hard disk and install this weekend and come back. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Meantime if anyone has more information please respond. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windowsxp/cc164204.aspx >>>>>>> This article says you have to have SP1 at least. And oddly it >>>>>>> recommends SP2 installed. But that now runs totally against the >>>>>>> grain of logic (to me at least). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But I'd sure like to see it in more plain English like you said. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> This page says different. >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=68C48DAD-BC34-40BE-8D85-6BB4F56F5110&displaylang=en#filelist >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> BUT, if you actually read the contents of one the files at the link >>>>> you posted, it says: >>>>> >>>>> Fundamentally, deploying Windows XP SP3 works the same as deploying >>>>> SP1 and SP2 for Windows XP: >>>>> - SP3 is cumulative, so users can install SP3 on top of Windows XP SP1 >>>>> or SP2. >>>>> - Windows XP SP3 supports the same languages as Windows XP did in its >>>>> initial release. >>>>> - You can run the SP3 update package on any edition of Windows XP SP1 >>>>> or SP2. For example, you can >>>>> run the SP3 update package on a computer running the Windows XP Media >>>>> Center Edition with SP1. The >>>>> exceptions are Embedded editions for XP wh >>>>> Overview of Windows XP Service Pack 3. >>>>> >>>> And the key words are "on top of Windows XP SP1 or SP2". >>>> Not on top of XP. >>> >>> Correctamundo!!! >> >> Both of you must have learned reading comprehension from the USA public >> school system. >>
Guest Colin Barnhorst Posted May 14, 2008 Posted May 14, 2008 Re: XP Pro (Gold?) and SP3 Absolutely. "Big Al" <BigAl@nowhere.com> wrote in message news:ujBWj.142$vE.38@trnddc03... > Frank-FL wrote: >> "Big Al" <BigAl@nowhere.com> wrote in message >> news:PTkWj.18136$5b3.17386@trnddc05... >>> Bob I wrote: >>>> >>>> Frank-FL wrote: >>>> >>>>> "Big Al" <BigAl@nowhere.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:xZDVj.3527$5b3.360@trnddc05... >>>>> >>>>>> ClueLess wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi All >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I see many posts stating that SP3 can be installed only after >>>>>>> applying >>>>>>> either SP1 or SP2 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have already successfully slipstreamed SP3 on XP-SP2 and made a >>>>>>> fresh install which went smoothly, no problems. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Today I tried with my original XP Pro (Retail) and the slipstreaming >>>>>>> with nLite went without any warning or hitch. That means, AFAICS, >>>>>>> update.exe did not check whether XP was with either SP1 or SP2. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Since I have no spare hard disk I did not try to install it and see >>>>>>> if >>>>>>> there is a problem. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Having slipstreamed I believe there should be no problem. I will get >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> new hard disk and install this weekend and come back. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Meantime if anyone has more information please respond. >>>>>>> >>>>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windowsxp/cc164204.aspx >>>>>> This article says you have to have SP1 at least. And oddly it >>>>>> recommends SP2 installed. But that now runs totally against the >>>>>> grain of logic (to me at least). >>>>>> >>>>>> But I'd sure like to see it in more plain English like you said. >>>>> >>>>> This page says different. >>>>> >>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=68C48DAD-BC34-40BE-8D85-6BB4F56F5110&displaylang=en#filelist >>>> BUT, if you actually read the contents of one the files at the link you >>>> posted, it says: >>>> >>>> Fundamentally, deploying Windows XP SP3 works the same as deploying SP1 >>>> and SP2 for Windows XP: >>>> - SP3 is cumulative, so users can install SP3 on top of Windows XP SP1 >>>> or SP2. >>>> - Windows XP SP3 supports the same languages as Windows XP did in its >>>> initial release. >>>> - You can run the SP3 update package on any edition of Windows XP SP1 >>>> or SP2. For example, you can >>>> run the SP3 update package on a computer running the Windows XP Media >>>> Center Edition with SP1. The >>>> exceptions are Embedded editions for XP wh >>>> Overview of Windows XP Service Pack 3. >>>> >>> And the key words are "on top of Windows XP SP1 or SP2". >>> Not on top of XP. >> >> a.. Supported Operating Systems: **Windows XP**; Windows XP Home >> Edition ; Windows b.. >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> c.. XP Home Edition N; Windows XP Media Center Edition; Windows XP >> Professional Edition ; Windows XP Professional N; **Windows XP Service >> Pack 1; Windows XP Service Pack 2**; >> d.. >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> e.. Windows XP Starter Edition; Windows XP Tablet PC Edition > I totally agree. Microsoft is ambiguous at best in this document. > You can read it two ways and you can read in or out anything you want. > If I put my name on it, and since its so hard, I tell people to put in SP1 > or 2, then 3. Only because of my previously quoted sentence in that > article. I hedge to the safe side. >
Guest Bob I Posted May 14, 2008 Posted May 14, 2008 Re: XP Pro (Gold?) and SP3 Please read the attached link, as it states what MUST be installed first. http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windowsxp/cc164204.aspx student wrote: > Please note the word is "can" and not "must"; "can" means it is possible to > do it while "must" meant one have to do it as it is required.. > > The semantics is that it is possible to install sp3 on a system with sp1 or sp2; > the lines quoteded doesn't say that one MUST install with sp1 or sp2 already > installed. There is nothing that say installing onto "gold" cannot be done > successfully. > > Quite problable that it was instigated by lawyers to be deliberately vague > so m$ claim different interpretations. > > ["Followup-To:" header set to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general.] > On 2008-05-14, Colin Barnhorst <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote: > >>From the Overview of Windows XP SP3 deployment section (in its entirety): >> >>"Deploying Windows XP SP3 >>Windows XP SP3 will be available through Windows Update and the Microsoft >>Download Center. The service >>pack will also be available to Volume License customers, TechNet >>subscribers, and MSDN® subscribers. >>Through Windows Update, the download size varies, but it is typically 70 >>megabytes (MB), depending on the >>computer's configuration. Through the Download Center, the download size is >>approximately 580 MB. >>Fundamentally, deploying Windows XP SP3 works the same as deploying SP1 and >>SP2 for Windows XP: >>? SP3 is cumulative, so users can install SP3 on top of Windows XP SP1 or >>SP2. >>? Windows XP SP3 supports the same languages as Windows XP did in its >>initial release. >>? You can run the SP3 update package on any edition of Windows XP SP1 or >>SP2. For example, you can >>run the SP3 update package on a computer running the Windows XP Media Center >>Edition with SP1. The >>exceptions are Embedded editions for XP. >>? Tools and guidance for system administrators have not fundamentally >>changed from Windows XP SP2. >>For comprehensive information, visit the Deploy Windows XP Professional and >>Windows XP Service >>Pack 2 Deployment Information sites on Microsoft TechNet. >>? You can deploy SP3 using Microsoft Systems Management Server 2003, >>Microsoft System Center >>Configuration Manager 2007, or third-party solutions. The process has not >>fundamentally changed. >>Windows XP SP3 is for x86 editions of Windows XP only. The x64 editions of >>Windows XP were serviced by >>Windows Server 2003 SP2. For additional information, go to Windows Server >>2003 Service Pack 2." >> >>Do you see anything that says that users can install SP3 on anything before >>SP1 or run the update package on anything before SP1? >> >>Is there something wrong with YOUR reading comprehension, Frank? >> >>"Frank-FL" <bbunny@bqik.net> wrote in message >>news:eIKYT1YtIHA.420@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >> >>"Bob I" <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote in message >>news:eaugArStIHA.3604@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >> >>> >>>Big Al wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Bob I wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>Frank-FL wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>"Big Al" <BigAl@nowhere.com> wrote in message >>>>>>news:xZDVj.3527$5b3.360@trnddc05... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>ClueLess wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Hi All >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I see many posts stating that SP3 can be installed only after >>>>>>>>applying >>>>>>>>either SP1 or SP2 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I have already successfully slipstreamed SP3 on XP-SP2 and made a >>>>>>>>fresh install which went smoothly, no problems. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Today I tried with my original XP Pro (Retail) and the slipstreaming >>>>>>>>with nLite went without any warning or hitch. That means, AFAICS, >>>>>>>>update.exe did not check whether XP was with either SP1 or SP2. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Since I have no spare hard disk I did not try to install it and see >>>>>>>>if >>>>>>>>there is a problem. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Having slipstreamed I believe there should be no problem. I will get >>>>>>>>a >>>>>>>>new hard disk and install this weekend and come back. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Meantime if anyone has more information please respond. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windowsxp/cc164204.aspx >>>>>>>This article says you have to have SP1 at least. And oddly it >>>>>>>recommends SP2 installed. But that now runs totally against the >>>>>>>grain of logic (to me at least). >>>>>>> >>>>>>>But I'd sure like to see it in more plain English like you said. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>This page says different. >>>>>> >>>>>>http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=68C48DAD-BC34-40BE-8D85-6BB4F56F5110&displaylang=en#filelist >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>BUT, if you actually read the contents of one the files at the link >>>>>you posted, it says: >>>>> >>>>>Fundamentally, deploying Windows XP SP3 works the same as deploying >>>>>SP1 and SP2 for Windows XP: >>>>>- SP3 is cumulative, so users can install SP3 on top of Windows XP SP1 >>>>>or SP2. >>>>>- Windows XP SP3 supports the same languages as Windows XP did in its >>>>>initial release. >>>>>- You can run the SP3 update package on any edition of Windows XP SP1 >>>>>or SP2. For example, you can >>>>>run the SP3 update package on a computer running the Windows XP Media >>>>>Center Edition with SP1. The >>>>>exceptions are Embedded editions for XP wh >>>>>Overview of Windows XP Service Pack 3. >>>>> >>>> >>>>And the key words are "on top of Windows XP SP1 or SP2". >>>>Not on top of XP. >>> >>>Correctamundo!!! >> >>Both of you must have learned reading comprehension from the USA public >>school system. >>
Guest student Posted May 14, 2008 Posted May 14, 2008 Re: XP Pro (Gold?) and SP3 m$ definitely LIED if the "requirement" for installation is the min of sp1. sp3 is NOT cumlative & doesn't make up for sp1/sp2 does. On 2008-05-14, Bob I <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote: > Please read the attached link, as it states what MUST be installed first. > http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windowsxp/cc164204.aspx > > student wrote: > >> Please note the word is "can" and not "must"; "can" means it is possible to >> do it while "must" meant one have to do it as it is required.. >> >> The semantics is that it is possible to install sp3 on a system with sp1 or sp2; >> the lines quoteded doesn't say that one MUST install with sp1 or sp2 already >> installed. There is nothing that say installing onto "gold" cannot be done >> successfully. >> >> Quite problable that it was instigated by lawyers to be deliberately vague >> so m$ claim different interpretations. >> >> ["Followup-To:" header set to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general.] >> On 2008-05-14, Colin Barnhorst <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote: >> >>>From the Overview of Windows XP SP3 deployment section (in its entirety): >>> >>>"Deploying Windows XP SP3 >>>Windows XP SP3 will be available through Windows Update and the Microsoft >>>Download Center. The service >>>pack will also be available to Volume License customers, TechNet >>>subscribers, and MSDN® subscribers. >>>Through Windows Update, the download size varies, but it is typically 70 >>>megabytes (MB), depending on the >>>computer's configuration. Through the Download Center, the download size is >>>approximately 580 MB. >>>Fundamentally, deploying Windows XP SP3 works the same as deploying SP1 and >>>SP2 for Windows XP: >>>? SP3 is cumulative, so users can install SP3 on top of Windows XP SP1 or >>>SP2. >>>? Windows XP SP3 supports the same languages as Windows XP did in its >>>initial release. >>>? You can run the SP3 update package on any edition of Windows XP SP1 or >>>SP2. For example, you can >>>run the SP3 update package on a computer running the Windows XP Media Center >>>Edition with SP1. The >>>exceptions are Embedded editions for XP. >>>? Tools and guidance for system administrators have not fundamentally >>>changed from Windows XP SP2. >>>For comprehensive information, visit the Deploy Windows XP Professional and >>>Windows XP Service >>>Pack 2 Deployment Information sites on Microsoft TechNet. >>>? You can deploy SP3 using Microsoft Systems Management Server 2003, >>>Microsoft System Center >>>Configuration Manager 2007, or third-party solutions. The process has not >>>fundamentally changed. >>>Windows XP SP3 is for x86 editions of Windows XP only. The x64 editions of >>>Windows XP were serviced by >>>Windows Server 2003 SP2. For additional information, go to Windows Server >>>2003 Service Pack 2." >>> >>>Do you see anything that says that users can install SP3 on anything before >>>SP1 or run the update package on anything before SP1? >>> >>>Is there something wrong with YOUR reading comprehension, Frank? >>> >>>"Frank-FL" <bbunny@bqik.net> wrote in message >>>news:eIKYT1YtIHA.420@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>> >>>"Bob I" <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote in message >>>news:eaugArStIHA.3604@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>> >>>> >>>>Big Al wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>Bob I wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Frank-FL wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>"Big Al" <BigAl@nowhere.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>news:xZDVj.3527$5b3.360@trnddc05... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>ClueLess wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Hi All >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>I see many posts stating that SP3 can be installed only after >>>>>>>>>applying >>>>>>>>>either SP1 or SP2 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>I have already successfully slipstreamed SP3 on XP-SP2 and made a >>>>>>>>>fresh install which went smoothly, no problems. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Today I tried with my original XP Pro (Retail) and the slipstreaming >>>>>>>>>with nLite went without any warning or hitch. That means, AFAICS, >>>>>>>>>update.exe did not check whether XP was with either SP1 or SP2. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Since I have no spare hard disk I did not try to install it and see >>>>>>>>>if >>>>>>>>>there is a problem. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Having slipstreamed I believe there should be no problem. I will get >>>>>>>>>a >>>>>>>>>new hard disk and install this weekend and come back. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Meantime if anyone has more information please respond. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windowsxp/cc164204.aspx >>>>>>>>This article says you have to have SP1 at least. And oddly it >>>>>>>>recommends SP2 installed. But that now runs totally against the >>>>>>>>grain of logic (to me at least). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>But I'd sure like to see it in more plain English like you said. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>This page says different. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=68C48DAD-BC34-40BE-8D85-6BB4F56F5110&displaylang=en#filelist >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>BUT, if you actually read the contents of one the files at the link >>>>>>you posted, it says: >>>>>> >>>>>>Fundamentally, deploying Windows XP SP3 works the same as deploying >>>>>>SP1 and SP2 for Windows XP: >>>>>>- SP3 is cumulative, so users can install SP3 on top of Windows XP SP1 >>>>>>or SP2. >>>>>>- Windows XP SP3 supports the same languages as Windows XP did in its >>>>>>initial release. >>>>>>- You can run the SP3 update package on any edition of Windows XP SP1 >>>>>>or SP2. For example, you can >>>>>>run the SP3 update package on a computer running the Windows XP Media >>>>>>Center Edition with SP1. The >>>>>>exceptions are Embedded editions for XP wh >>>>>>Overview of Windows XP Service Pack 3. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>And the key words are "on top of Windows XP SP1 or SP2". >>>>>Not on top of XP. >>>> >>>>Correctamundo!!! >>> >>>Both of you must have learned reading comprehension from the USA public >>>school system. >>> >
Guest Bob I Posted May 15, 2008 Posted May 15, 2008 Re: XP Pro (Gold?) and SP3 Perhaps you should learn a bit before you make bogus assertions. Especially since XP "gold" is unsupported operating system since 2004. Your status has been corrected to "ignorant" troll. student wrote: > m$ definitely LIED if the "requirement" for installation is the min of sp1. > sp3 is NOT cumlative & doesn't make up for sp1/sp2 does. > > > On 2008-05-14, Bob I <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote: > >>Please read the attached link, as it states what MUST be installed first. >>http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windowsxp/cc164204.aspx >> >>student wrote: >> >> >>>Please note the word is "can" and not "must"; "can" means it is possible to >>>do it while "must" meant one have to do it as it is required.. >>> >>>The semantics is that it is possible to install sp3 on a system with sp1 or sp2; >>>the lines quoteded doesn't say that one MUST install with sp1 or sp2 already >>>installed. There is nothing that say installing onto "gold" cannot be done >>>successfully. >>> >>>Quite problable that it was instigated by lawyers to be deliberately vague >>>so m$ claim different interpretations. >>> >>>["Followup-To:" header set to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general.] >>>On 2008-05-14, Colin Barnhorst <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote: >>> >>>>From the Overview of Windows XP SP3 deployment section (in its entirety): >>> >>>>"Deploying Windows XP SP3 >>>>Windows XP SP3 will be available through Windows Update and the Microsoft >>>>Download Center. The service >>>>pack will also be available to Volume License customers, TechNet >>>>subscribers, and MSDN® subscribers. >>>>Through Windows Update, the download size varies, but it is typically 70 >>>>megabytes (MB), depending on the >>>>computer's configuration. Through the Download Center, the download size is >>>>approximately 580 MB. >>>>Fundamentally, deploying Windows XP SP3 works the same as deploying SP1 and >>>>SP2 for Windows XP: >>>>? SP3 is cumulative, so users can install SP3 on top of Windows XP SP1 or >>>>SP2. >>>>? Windows XP SP3 supports the same languages as Windows XP did in its >>>>initial release. >>>>? You can run the SP3 update package on any edition of Windows XP SP1 or >>>>SP2. For example, you can >>>>run the SP3 update package on a computer running the Windows XP Media Center >>>>Edition with SP1. The >>>>exceptions are Embedded editions for XP. >>>>? Tools and guidance for system administrators have not fundamentally >>>>changed from Windows XP SP2. >>>>For comprehensive information, visit the Deploy Windows XP Professional and >>>>Windows XP Service >>>>Pack 2 Deployment Information sites on Microsoft TechNet. >>>>? You can deploy SP3 using Microsoft Systems Management Server 2003, >>>>Microsoft System Center >>>>Configuration Manager 2007, or third-party solutions. The process has not >>>>fundamentally changed. >>>>Windows XP SP3 is for x86 editions of Windows XP only. The x64 editions of >>>>Windows XP were serviced by >>>>Windows Server 2003 SP2. For additional information, go to Windows Server >>>>2003 Service Pack 2." >>>> >>>>Do you see anything that says that users can install SP3 on anything before >>>>SP1 or run the update package on anything before SP1? >>>> >>>>Is there something wrong with YOUR reading comprehension, Frank? >>>> >>>>"Frank-FL" <bbunny@bqik.net> wrote in message >>>>news:eIKYT1YtIHA.420@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>> >>>>"Bob I" <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote in message >>>>news:eaugArStIHA.3604@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>>> >>>> >>>>>Big Al wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Bob I wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Frank-FL wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>"Big Al" <BigAl@nowhere.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>news:xZDVj.3527$5b3.360@trnddc05... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>ClueLess wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Hi All >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>I see many posts stating that SP3 can be installed only after >>>>>>>>>>applying >>>>>>>>>>either SP1 or SP2 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>I have already successfully slipstreamed SP3 on XP-SP2 and made a >>>>>>>>>>fresh install which went smoothly, no problems. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Today I tried with my original XP Pro (Retail) and the slipstreaming >>>>>>>>>>with nLite went without any warning or hitch. That means, AFAICS, >>>>>>>>>>update.exe did not check whether XP was with either SP1 or SP2. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Since I have no spare hard disk I did not try to install it and see >>>>>>>>>>if >>>>>>>>>>there is a problem. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Having slipstreamed I believe there should be no problem. I will get >>>>>>>>>>a >>>>>>>>>>new hard disk and install this weekend and come back. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Meantime if anyone has more information please respond. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windowsxp/cc164204.aspx >>>>>>>>>This article says you have to have SP1 at least. And oddly it >>>>>>>>>recommends SP2 installed. But that now runs totally against the >>>>>>>>>grain of logic (to me at least). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>But I'd sure like to see it in more plain English like you said. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>This page says different. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=68C48DAD-BC34-40BE-8D85-6BB4F56F5110&displaylang=en#filelist >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>BUT, if you actually read the contents of one the files at the link >>>>>>>you posted, it says: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Fundamentally, deploying Windows XP SP3 works the same as deploying >>>>>>>SP1 and SP2 for Windows XP: >>>>>>>- SP3 is cumulative, so users can install SP3 on top of Windows XP SP1 >>>>>>>or SP2. >>>>>>>- Windows XP SP3 supports the same languages as Windows XP did in its >>>>>>>initial release. >>>>>>>- You can run the SP3 update package on any edition of Windows XP SP1 >>>>>>>or SP2. For example, you can >>>>>>>run the SP3 update package on a computer running the Windows XP Media >>>>>>>Center Edition with SP1. The >>>>>>>exceptions are Embedded editions for XP wh >>>>>>>Overview of Windows XP Service Pack 3. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>And the key words are "on top of Windows XP SP1 or SP2". >>>>>>Not on top of XP. >>>>> >>>>>Correctamundo!!! >>>> >>>>Both of you must have learned reading comprehension from the USA public >>>>school system. >>>> >>
Guest WMB Posted May 18, 2008 Posted May 18, 2008 Re: XP Pro (Gold?) and SP3 "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message news:3F82C5CD-6B65-47B3-87FC-5BAE16F7B608@microsoft.com... > Correct. The blocker is programmed into the herald file that starts the > download of the main SP3 file on Windows Update. The standalone does not > contain the herald file and so does display a blocker. > > Further, nLite works just fine. It does not know that it is creating a cd > that will install a defective OS. It just does what you tell it too. > > The problems do not appear until you use the slipstreamed cd to install > the OS or repair it. > > So don't use XP Gold to create an integrated XP SP3 cd. Just don't. The > SP1 and SP2 installers made certain changes to XP Gold kernel files quite > apart from any updates before or since. However, these changes are NOT > done by the SP3 installer. That means critical changes aren't made to XP > Gold at the time SP3 is applied that are made if you upgrade XP Gold to > SP1 or SP2 and then use that as a base for slipstreaming with SP3. > > I have no idea why MS did not provide for that in SP3 but they did say > that they did not during the SP3 beta program and said not to use XP Gold > for slipsteaming. I suppose it could have something to do with changes to > XP's servicing stack back around SP1 but I am just speculating. > > Unfortunately, the SP3 beta newsgroups are no longer on the betanews > servers so I cannot go back and capture the quotes for you. > > "ClueLess" <clueless@wilderness.org.invalid> wrote in message > news:3o0e24trdetvk0c4hj0lig70m8aek82dei@4ax.com... >> Hi All >> >> I see many posts stating that SP3 can be installed only after applying >> either SP1 or SP2 >> >> I have already successfully slipstreamed SP3 on XP-SP2 and made a >> fresh install which went smoothly, no problems. >> >> Today I tried with my original XP Pro (Retail) and the slipstreaming >> with nLite went without any warning or hitch. That means, AFAICS, >> update.exe did not check whether XP was with either SP1 or SP2. >> >> Since I have no spare hard disk I did not try to install it and see if >> there is a problem. >> >> Having slipstreamed I believe there should be no problem. I will get a >> new hard disk and install this weekend and come back. >> >> Meantime if anyone has more information please respond. >> >> -- >> Thanks for your time and attention >> >> ClueLess Hi, I have asked approximately the same question at: From: "WMB" <brown.2005@.comcast.net> Subject: System File Checker(sfc) & SP3 Date: Sunday, May 18, 2008 1:00 AM with the particulars of my situation, but haven't received any replies yet. Try running sfc /scannow if XP is not being pointed to your hard drive and see what disk you will be asked to provide. On my computer it asked for my original disk before SP1 or SP2.
Guest espi Posted July 10, 2008 Posted July 10, 2008 Re: XP Pro (Gold?) and SP3 Colin Barnhorst;1016270 Wrote: > Haven't tried it? You're joking. I have been making slipstreamed > copies of > XP SP3 since the onset of beta 2 last year. I have installed XP SP3 > from > integrated cds in all combinations of Gold, SP1, and SP2 and with Home > and > Pro during that time. The subject came up several times in the beta ng > and > several of us beta testers tried to argue with the beta team about not > being > able to break down where the differences in the kernel files were. The > team > stuck to their guns so I am defering to what the folks who make XP > said. > >> Hi all, I joined b/c of this topic, and my desire to integrate SP3 into XP Tablet edition. I see all of you have been working on slipstreaming SP3 into XP and that Colin Barnhorst has much experience in this regard. I too have been slipstreaming and creating custom XP Pro installs using nLite for years. However, I have yet to attempt slipstreaming SP3 with Tablet XP due to the internet having discrepancies on success and MS warning against it (like this SP1 "requirement"). (BTW & FWIW I was told that SP1 is required b/c XP SP0 is past it's support date). I hope I'm not flagged for straying topic too much, but obviously this is a lively and knowledgable discussion on slipstreaming SP3 on a variety of original XP discs. I have the original MSDN SP3 XP Pro (VL) disc as well as both Tablet 2005 SP2 disks. Any help is appreciated greatly. -- espi
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