Any USB DOS mouse drivers (useful for some boot disks, etc)?

April 14, 2008

Re: Any USB DOS mouse drivers (useful for some boot disks, etc)?

philo wrote:

> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

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>> philo wrote:

>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

>>> news:uSXh$FanIHA.5820@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>>> philo wrote:

>>>>> <snip>

>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> There are some drivers listed here but I have not tried them:

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> http://www.stefan2000.com/darkehorse/PC/DOS/Drivers/USB/

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Thanks again, already had tried those (those were the two

included

>>>>>>>> in

>>>>>>>> that other zip I tried).

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Well if you cannot get any USB drivers for DOS...

>>>>>>> I did see a PCI card at Newegg that has ps/2 ports (and USB)

>>>>>>> but who knows if it would work in dos???

>>>>>>

>>>>>> That is interesting. I didn't know PS/2 I/O PCI cards were

also

>>>>>> available.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Sometimes it says (if the specs are complete enough!), because I

did

>>>>>> see

>>>>>> a Serial Port PCI I/O card stating that (DOS, along with Win9x,

XP,

>>>>>> etc, so presumably some drivers are also included if needed).

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Just out of curiosity I wonder why you purchased a new machine

to

>>>>>>> run

>>>>>>> dos applications?

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I didn't! (except for a few occasions).

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Well I just though of something that was maybe a bit too

obvious...

>>>>> but a standard serial mouse is sure to work in DOS if all else

fails.

>>>>

>>>> Fortunately that MS mouse.exe file worked.

>>>>

>>>>> Although serial port cards are not rare, if your machine does not

have

>>>>> a

>>>>> serial port...

>>>>> have a look inside...as many newer motherboards do have serial

port

>>>>> headers...even if there is no port brought out to the back of the

case

>>>>

>>>> Just out of curiosity: I had read something to that effect

before,

>>>> but

>>>> I'm not sure how one would use it, if one wanted to. What does

that

>>>> really

>>>> mean - that there is a serial connector on the motherboard, or

that

>>>> some

>>>> special adapter would have to be connected to that "port header"

>>>> (whatever that is)?

>>>>

>>>

>>> Congratulations on finally getting it going!

>>

>> Yeah, thanks, and it really made my day, although I felt a bit dumb

for

>> not

>> having tried mouse.exe it in the first place.

>>

>> AND then trying those other (primarily Mass Storage) USB DOS

drivers, w/o

>> anything specifically related to a mouse.

>>

>>> Here's the deal:

>>>

>>> Most new machines no longer bother with using a serial or parallel

>>> port.

>>

>> Right, I know that too.

>>

>>> However...quite a few new motherboards do in-fact have serial

>>> capabilities.

>>> The board not only has a serial UART chip.

>>> (Universal asynchronous receiver/ transmitter you can tell your

friends)

>>

>> (know that too :-)

>>

>>> It has the headers (or pins) on the motherboards for actually

hooking up

>>> a

>>> serial connector.

>>

>> Oh, ok, that's what it means. Just the pins protuding up from the

MB.

>> And 9 pins, I expect?

>>

>>> The manufacturer simply did not supply the connector on the back of

the

>>> case.

>>>

>>> So...if you need a serial port and if the motherboard actually has

the

>>> serial headers on it...

>>> it's just a simple matter of plugging in the data wires and

mounting the

>>> port on the back of the case

>>> or in an vacant slot. It would add about 20 cents to the cost of

the

>>> machine... but it's often just not added.

>>

>> Actually, it doesn't sound too simple do the mechanics of it!

>> Electrically it's simple, but finding the rest of it might be a

pain!

>>

>

> It's just a 9 pin head

> 4 on one side and 5 on the other.

Not sure what this means. Or 4 on one side and 5 on the other.

(I'm

thinking of the picture of a standard serial 9 pin connector or plug)

> Serial ports can be purchased with the cable and plug already

attached...

Is this what is meant by a "serial port"? But that's basically just

the

connector, isn't it? I thought the term "serial port" implied it had

the

card to go along with it, and all the associated electronics.

Otherwise

it would be called a serial port *connector*?

> and since the plug is generally keyed...can only go in one way.

> It's as simple as just plugging it in and mounting the port.

> It only takes a few seconds to do and it does not take any skill

>

> The only important thing is verifying there there is in-fact a header

> and finding the location.

Well, first you have to find one of those PCI card metal slot things

for

which to mount it in, that has the right hole to fit the connector,

unless

you can buy that directly. That's what I meant.

> A motherboard manual is helpful and would be avail on the mfg's

website.

> otherwise a good light and some reading glasses may be in order...

> it would probably have a label such as Com1

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April 14, 2008

Re: Any USB DOS mouse drivers (useful for some boot disks, etc)?

"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

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> philo wrote:

> > "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

> > news:%23ZfH8fbnIHA.4664@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> >> philo wrote:

> >>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

> >>> news:uSXh$FanIHA.5820@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> >>>> philo wrote:

> >>>>> <snip>

> >>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> There are some drivers listed here but I have not tried

them:

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> http://www.stefan2000.com/darkehorse/PC/DOS/Drivers/USB/

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> Thanks again, already had tried those (those were the two

included

> >>>>>>>> in

> >>>>>>>> that other zip I tried).

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Well if you cannot get any USB drivers for DOS...

> >>>>>>> I did see a PCI card at Newegg that has ps/2 ports (and USB)

> >>>>>>> but who knows if it would work in dos???

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> That is interesting. I didn't know PS/2 I/O PCI cards were

also

> >>>>>> available.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Sometimes it says (if the specs are complete enough!), because

I

did

> >>>>>> see

> >>>>>> a Serial Port PCI I/O card stating that (DOS, along with

Win9x,

XP,

> >>>>>> etc, so presumably some drivers are also included if needed).

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Just out of curiosity I wonder why you purchased a new

machine to

> >>>>>>> run

> >>>>>>> dos applications?

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> I didn't! (except for a few occasions).

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Well I just though of something that was maybe a bit too

obvious...

> >>>>> but a standard serial mouse is sure to work in DOS if all else

fails.

> >>>>

> >>>> Fortunately that MS mouse.exe file worked.

> >>>>

> >>>>> Although serial port cards are not rare, if your machine does

not

have

> >>>>> a

> >>>>> serial port...

> >>>>> have a look inside...as many newer motherboards do have serial

port

> >>>>> headers...even if there is no port brought out to the back of

the

case

> >>>>

> >>>> Just out of curiosity: I had read something to that effect

before,

> >>>> but

> >>>> I'm not sure how one would use it, if one wanted to. What does

that

> >>>> really

> >>>> mean - that there is a serial connector on the motherboard, or

that

> >>>> some

> >>>> special adapter would have to be connected to that "port header"

> >>>> (whatever that is)?

> >>>>

> >>>

> >>> Congratulations on finally getting it going!

> >>

> >> Yeah, thanks, and it really made my day, although I felt a bit

dumb for

> >> not

> >> having tried mouse.exe it in the first place.

> >>

> >> AND then trying those other (primarily Mass Storage) USB DOS

drivers,

w/o

> >> anything specifically related to a mouse.

> >>

> >>> Here's the deal:

> >>>

> >>> Most new machines no longer bother with using a serial or

parallel

> >>> port.

> >>

> >> Right, I know that too.

> >>

> >>> However...quite a few new motherboards do in-fact have serial

> >>> capabilities.

> >>> The board not only has a serial UART chip.

> >>> (Universal asynchronous receiver/ transmitter you can tell your

friends)

> >>

> >> (know that too :-)

> >>

> >>> It has the headers (or pins) on the motherboards for actually

hooking

up

> >>> a

> >>> serial connector.

> >>

> >> Oh, ok, that's what it means. Just the pins protuding up from

the

MB.

> >> And 9 pins, I expect?

> >>

> >>> The manufacturer simply did not supply the connector on the back

of

the

> >>> case.

> >>>

> >>> So...if you need a serial port and if the motherboard actually

has the

> >>> serial headers on it...

> >>> it's just a simple matter of plugging in the data wires and

mounting

the

> >>> port on the back of the case

> >>> or in an vacant slot. It would add about 20 cents to the cost of

the

> >>> machine... but it's often just not added.

> >>

> >> Actually, it doesn't sound too simple do the mechanics of it!

> >> Electrically it's simple, but finding the rest of it might be a

pain!

> >>

> >

> > It's just a 9 pin head

> > 4 on one side and 5 on the other.

>

> Not sure what this means. Or 4 on one side and 5 on the other.

(I'm

> thinking of the picture of a standard serial 9 pin connector or plug)

>

> > Serial ports can be purchased with the cable and plug already

attached...

>

> Is this what is meant by a "serial port"? But that's basically

just the

> connector, isn't it? I thought the term "serial port" implied it

had

the

> card to go along with it, and all the associated electronics.

Otherwise

> it would be called a serial port *connector*?

>

<snip>

on the mobo there would be two rows of parallel pins:

4 pins on one side and 5 on the other...

the pins would connect to the UART chip on the motherboard.

So as you say, the serial connector and it's wiring would simply have

to be

added

if one were not present

I found a picture here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_port

That contains and add-on port with the connector and wiring.

If your motherboard already has the serial UART on it..it would simply

be a

matter of

plugging in the data cable that you can see on the picture.

OTOH: If the motherboard has no serial chip and pins.

you'd need the entire PCI (-x) card

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April 14, 2008

Re: Any USB DOS mouse drivers (useful for some boot disks, etc)?

On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 18:32:30 -0600, "Bill in Co."

<not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote:

>Franc Zabkar wrote:

>> On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 16:27:47 -0600, "Bill in Co."

>> <not_really_here@earthlink.net> put finger to keyboard and composed:

>>

>>> So it appears that any PS/2 - Serial Adapters will *have* to have

some

>>> electronics inside, afterall, and are NOT just simply rewired,

afterall.

>>

>> No, AIUI the combo mouse has all the electronics for both interfaces

>> and protocols whereas a PS/2 mouse is PS/2 only and a serial mouse

is

>> serial only.

>>

>> See http://pinouts.ru/InputCables/MousePs2Serial_pinout.shtml

>> and http://pinouts.ru/InputCables/MouseSerialPs2_pinout.shtml

>

>AIUI? (don't know that one)

As I understand it

>But Franc, I have also seen advertised some basic PS/2 to Serial (or

vice

>versa) plug adapters (no mice included). They just look like

connectors,

>with a very short cable (or even non-existent cable, just molded into

one

>assembly), at least as I recall.

and those adpators ONLY work with certain mice - which turn out to be

the

bilingual ones using the appropriate bilingual driver.

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April 14, 2008

Re: Any USB DOS mouse drivers (useful for some boot disks, etc)?

philo wrote:

> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

> news:eOlqfhcnIHA.4292@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>> philo wrote:

>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

>>> news:%23ZfH8fbnIHA.4664@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>>> philo wrote:

>>>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

>>>>> news:uSXh$FanIHA.5820@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>>>>> philo wrote:

>>>>>>> <snip>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> There are some drivers listed here but I have not tried

them:

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.stefan2000.com/darkehorse/PC/DOS/Drivers/USB/

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Thanks again, already had tried those (those were the two

>>>>>>>>>> included

>>>>>>>>>> in

>>>>>>>>>> that other zip I tried).

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Well if you cannot get any USB drivers for DOS...

>>>>>>>>> I did see a PCI card at Newegg that has ps/2 ports (and USB)

>>>>>>>>> but who knows if it would work in dos???

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> That is interesting. I didn't know PS/2 I/O PCI cards were

also

>>>>>>>> available.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Sometimes it says (if the specs are complete enough!), because

I

>>>>>>>> did

>>>>>>>> see

>>>>>>>> a Serial Port PCI I/O card stating that (DOS, along with

Win9x,

>>>>>>>> XP,

>>>>>>>> etc, so presumably some drivers are also included if needed).

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Just out of curiosity I wonder why you purchased a new

machine to

>>>>>>>>> run

>>>>>>>>> dos applications?

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> I didn't! (except for a few occasions).

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Well I just though of something that was maybe a bit too

obvious...

>>>>>>> but a standard serial mouse is sure to work in DOS if all else

>>>>>>> fails.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Fortunately that MS mouse.exe file worked.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Although serial port cards are not rare, if your machine does

not

>>>>>>> have

>>>>>>> a

>>>>>>> serial port...

>>>>>>> have a look inside...as many newer motherboards do have serial

port

>>>>>>> headers...even if there is no port brought out to the back of

the

>>>>>>> case

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Just out of curiosity: I had read something to that effect

before,

>>>>>> but

>>>>>> I'm not sure how one would use it, if one wanted to. What does

that

>>>>>> really

>>>>>> mean - that there is a serial connector on the motherboard, or

that

>>>>>> some

>>>>>> special adapter would have to be connected to that "port header"

>>>>>> (whatever that is)?

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Congratulations on finally getting it going!

>>>>

>>>> Yeah, thanks, and it really made my day, although I felt a bit

dumb for

>>>> not

>>>> having tried mouse.exe it in the first place.

>>>>

>>>> AND then trying those other (primarily Mass Storage) USB DOS

drivers,

>>>> w/o

>>>> anything specifically related to a mouse.

>>>>

>>>>> Here's the deal:

>>>>>

>>>>> Most new machines no longer bother with using a serial or

parallel

>>>>> port.

>>>>

>>>> Right, I know that too.

>>>>

>>>>> However...quite a few new motherboards do in-fact have serial

>>>>> capabilities.

>>>>> The board not only has a serial UART chip.

>>>>> (Universal asynchronous receiver/ transmitter you can tell your

>>>>> friends)

>>>>

>>>> (know that too :-)

>>>>

>>>>> It has the headers (or pins) on the motherboards for actually

hooking

>>>>> up

>>>>> a

>>>>> serial connector.

>>>>

>>>> Oh, ok, that's what it means. Just the pins protuding up from

the

>>>> MB.

>>>> And 9 pins, I expect?

>>>>

>>>>> The manufacturer simply did not supply the connector on the back

of

>>>>> the

>>>>> case.

>>>>>

>>>>> So...if you need a serial port and if the motherboard actually

has the

>>>>> serial headers on it...

>>>>> it's just a simple matter of plugging in the data wires and

mounting

>>>>> the

>>>>> port on the back of the case

>>>>> or in an vacant slot. It would add about 20 cents to the cost of

the

>>>>> machine... but it's often just not added.

>>>>

>>>> Actually, it doesn't sound too simple do the mechanics of it!

>>>> Electrically it's simple, but finding the rest of it might be a

pain!

>>>>

>>>

>>> It's just a 9 pin head

>>> 4 on one side and 5 on the other.

>>

>> Not sure what this means. Or 4 on one side and 5 on the other.

>> (I'm

>> thinking of the picture of a standard serial 9 pin connector or

plug)

>>

>>> Serial ports can be purchased with the cable and plug already

>>> attached...

>>

>> Is this what is meant by a "serial port"? But that's basically

just

>> the

>> connector, isn't it? I thought the term "serial port" implied it

had

>> the

>> card to go along with it, and all the associated electronics.

>> Otherwise

>> it would be called a serial port *connector*?

>>

>

> <snip>

>

> on the mobo there would be two rows of parallel pins:

> 4 pins on one side and 5 on the other...

> the pins would connect to the UART chip on the motherboard.

OK, I get that now.

> So as you say, the serial connector and it's wiring would simply have

to

> be

> added if one were not present

>

> I found a picture here

>

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_port

>

> That contains and add-on port with the connector and wiring.

>

> If your motherboard already has the serial UART on it..it would

simply be

> a

> matter of plugging in the data cable that you can see on the picture.

Oh, ok, you're saying that if the MB has that, you can buy this cable

and

connector and mounting bracket assembly, to mount in the back of the

computer (just like for any add in PCI card). I didn't know those

existed. Thanks for the info.

> OTOH: If the motherboard has no serial chip and pins.

> you'd need the entire PCI (-x) card

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April 14, 2008

Re: Any USB DOS mouse drivers (useful for some boot disks, etc)?

"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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> Well, I must say that somewhat surprises me as well, that is not what

is

> generally found [generally the first failure encountered].

>

> It would be interesting to know the manufacturer and model for that

USB

> mouse, so others might find this on the net for their attempts.

> Might be wise to put up the motherboard/computer manufacturer and

model as

> well. This would, perhaps, allow placement of the chipset

information.

>

> Seems you may have USB compatibility/PS2 emulation in-built and

turned on

> by default.

That would be my guess too. There's no penalty for "legacy mode" or

"PS/2 emulation"

at the BIOS level once Windows boots and loads its own drivers. However

it may not be

desirable for some non-Windows (and possibly *nix) machines. How many

are there?

The fact that mouse.exe works suggests that PS/2 is being emulated.

> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

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> | Just a followup. I can't believe I missed something here!

> |

> | On a hunch, I tried loading "mouse.exe", and THAT worked in DOS -

without

> | ANY of these other USB drivers.

> |

> | I think I've been spinning my wheels on something that wasn't a

problem to

> | begin with, in that I never explicitly loaded a mouse driver, per

se, (I

> | just assumed the old Microsoft "mouse.exe" driver (dated 1999!)

would NOT

> be

> | compatible with USB mice). Duh to me.

> |

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April 14, 2008

Re: Any USB DOS mouse drivers (useful for some boot disks, etc)?

"Bill Blanton" <bblanton@REMOVEmagicnet.net> wrote in message

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| "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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| > Well, I must say that somewhat surprises me as well, that is not

what is

| > generally found [generally the first failure encountered].

| >

| > It would be interesting to know the manufacturer and model for that

USB

| > mouse, so others might find this on the net for their attempts.

| > Might be wise to put up the motherboard/computer manufacturer and

model

as

| > well. This would, perhaps, allow placement of the chipset

information.

| >

| > Seems you may have USB compatibility/PS2 emulation in-built and

turned

on

| > by default.

|

| That would be my guess too. There's no penalty for "legacy mode" or

"PS/2

emulation"

| at the BIOS level once Windows boots and loads its own drivers.

However it

may not be

| desirable for some non-Windows (and possibly *nix) machines. How many

are

there?

|

| The fact that mouse.exe works suggests that PS/2 is being emulated.

|

Yeah, seems so. I'm not sure if there would be a problem with *NIX

machines

either, as that is handled in the kernel now anyway..

Anyone know for sure?

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April 14, 2008

Re: Any USB DOS mouse drivers (useful for some boot disks, etc)?

<snip>

> >>>>

> >>>>> It has the headers (or pins) on the motherboards for actually

hooking

> >>>>> up

> >>>>> a

> >>>>> serial connector.

> >>>>

> >>>> Oh, ok, that's what it means. Just the pins protuding up from

the

> >>>> MB.

> >>>> And 9 pins, I expect?

> >>>>

> >>>>> The manufacturer simply did not supply the connector on the

back of

> >>>>> the

> >>>>> case.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> So...if you need a serial port and if the motherboard actually

has

the

> >>>>> serial headers on it...

> >>>>> it's just a simple matter of plugging in the data wires and

mounting

> >>>>> the

> >>>>> port on the back of the case

> >>>>> or in an vacant slot. It would add about 20 cents to the cost

of the

> >>>>> machine... but it's often just not added.

> >>>>

> >>>> Actually, it doesn't sound too simple do the mechanics of it!

> >>>> Electrically it's simple, but finding the rest of it might be a

pain!

> >>>>

> >>>

> >>> It's just a 9 pin head

> >>> 4 on one side and 5 on the other.

> >>

> >> Not sure what this means. Or 4 on one side and 5 on the other.

> >> (I'm

> >> thinking of the picture of a standard serial 9 pin connector or

plug)

> >>

> >>> Serial ports can be purchased with the cable and plug already

> >>> attached...

> >>

> >> Is this what is meant by a "serial port"? But that's basically

just

> >> the

> >> connector, isn't it? I thought the term "serial port" implied

it had

> >> the

> >> card to go along with it, and all the associated electronics.

> >> Otherwise

> >> it would be called a serial port *connector*?

> >>

> >

> > <snip>

> >

> > on the mobo there would be two rows of parallel pins:

> > 4 pins on one side and 5 on the other...

> > the pins would connect to the UART chip on the motherboard.

>

> OK, I get that now.

>

> > So as you say, the serial connector and it's wiring would simply

have to

> > be

> > added if one were not present

> >

> > I found a picture here

> >

> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_port

> >

> > That contains and add-on port with the connector and wiring.

> >

> > If your motherboard already has the serial UART on it..it would

simply

be

> > a

> > matter of plugging in the data cable that you can see on the

picture.

>

> Oh, ok, you're saying that if the MB has that, you can buy this cable

and

> connector and mounting bracket assembly, to mount in the back of the

> computer (just like for any add in PCI card). I didn't know those

> existed. Thanks for the info.

>

Yes, if the motherboard already has a serial port header (the nine

pins)

then all you'd need is the nine pin serial connector with wires and

mounting

bracket.

I'm sure any computer repair shop would have a drawer full of them

sitting

around

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April 14, 2008

Re: Any USB DOS mouse drivers (useful for some boot disks, etc)?

rebel wrote:

> On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 18:32:30 -0600, "Bill in Co."

> <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote:

>

>> Franc Zabkar wrote:

>>> On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 16:27:47 -0600, "Bill in Co."

>>> <not_really_here@earthlink.net> put finger to keyboard and

composed:

>>>

>>>> So it appears that any PS/2 - Serial Adapters will *have* to have

some

>>>> electronics inside, afterall, and are NOT just simply rewired,

>>>> afterall.

>>>

>>> No, AIUI the combo mouse has all the electronics for both

interfaces

>>> and protocols whereas a PS/2 mouse is PS/2 only and a serial mouse

is

>>> serial only.

>>>

>>> See http://pinouts.ru/InputCables/MousePs2Serial_pinout.shtml

>>> and http://pinouts.ru/InputCables/MouseSerialPs2_pinout.shtml

>>

>> AIUI? (don't know that one)

>

> As I understand it

>

>> But Franc, I have also seen advertised some basic PS/2 to Serial (or

vice

>> versa) plug adapters (no mice included). They just look like

>> connectors,

>> with a very short cable (or even non-existent cable, just molded

into one

>> assembly), at least as I recall.

>

> and those adapters ONLY work with certain mice - which turn out to be

the

> bilingual ones using the appropriate bilingual driver.

OK. Thanks for that info, and that seems to clear up some things.

So if I'm reading that right, that implies those simple PS/2 to Serial

adapter connectors may indeed be just rewired (and have no

electronics),

but, as you both said, a bilingual mouse would have to be used with

them

(assuming you needed the adapter in the first place).

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April 14, 2008

Re: Any USB DOS mouse drivers (useful for some boot disks, etc)?

On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 18:32:30 -0600, "Bill in Co."

<not_really_here@earthlink.net> put finger to keyboard and composed:

>Franc Zabkar wrote:

>> On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 16:27:47 -0600, "Bill in Co."

>> <not_really_here@earthlink.net> put finger to keyboard and composed:

>>

>>> So it appears that any PS/2 - Serial Adapters will *have* to have

some

>>> electronics inside, afterall, and are NOT just simply rewired,

afterall.

>>

>> No, AIUI the combo mouse has all the electronics for both interfaces

>> and protocols whereas a PS/2 mouse is PS/2 only and a serial mouse

is

>> serial only.

>>

>> See http://pinouts.ru/InputCables/MousePs2Serial_pinout.shtml

>> and http://pinouts.ru/InputCables/MouseSerialPs2_pinout.shtml

>

>AIUI? (don't know that one)

>But Franc, I have also seen advertised some basic PS/2 to Serial (or

vice

>versa) plug adapters (no mice included). They just look like

connectors,

>with a very short cable (or even non-existent cable, just molded into

one

>assembly), at least as I recall.

Sorry, I wasn't clear. The connectors are passive, ie no electronics

inside. The mice have all the smarts.

According to the above URLs:

"The 'dual mode' mice have an automatic logic detection and sort of

adaptive interface electronic, which detects whether the mouse is

attached to a serial port or a PS/2 port and set the output drivers

accordingly."

BTW, the "output drivers" are driver chips, not software drivers.

- Franc Zabkar

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April 14, 2008

Re: Any USB DOS mouse drivers (useful for some boot disks, etc)?

On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 05:34:42 -0500, "philo" <philo@privacy.net> put

finger to keyboard and composed:

>Yes, if the motherboard already has a serial port header (the nine

pins)

>then all you'd need is the nine pin serial connector with wires and

mounting

>bracket.

>I'm sure any computer repair shop would have a drawer full of them

sitting

>around

Be aware that there are two common wiring conventions which are not

compatible.

This is one layout (with a 10-pin header):

http://pinouts.ru/SerialPorts/Serial9_pinout.shtml

In one case the motherboard header is numbered as follows (as seen

from the 9-pin end of the internal transition cable) ...

2 10

--------

| |

--------

1 9

.... whereas others are numbered this way:

6 10

--------

| |

--------

1 5

Pin 10 is not connected in either case.

- Franc Zabkar

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April 14, 2008

Re: Any USB DOS mouse drivers (useful for some boot disks, etc)?

Franc Zabkar wrote:

> On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 18:32:30 -0600, "Bill in Co."

> <not_really_here@earthlink.net> put finger to keyboard and composed:

>

>> Franc Zabkar wrote:

>>> On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 16:27:47 -0600, "Bill in Co."

>>> <not_really_here@earthlink.net> put finger to keyboard and

composed:

>>>

>>>> So it appears that any PS/2 - Serial Adapters will *have* to have

some

>>>> electronics inside, afterall, and are NOT just simply rewired,

>>>> afterall.

>>>

>>> No, AIUI the combo mouse has all the electronics for both

interfaces

>>> and protocols whereas a PS/2 mouse is PS/2 only and a serial mouse

is

>>> serial only.

>>>

>>> See http://pinouts.ru/InputCables/MousePs2Serial_pinout.shtml

>>> and http://pinouts.ru/InputCables/MouseSerialPs2_pinout.shtml

>>

>> AIUI? (don't know that one)

>

>> But Franc, I have also seen advertised some basic PS/2 to Serial (or

vice

>> versa) plug adapters (no mice included). They just look like

>> connectors,

>> with a very short cable (or even non-existent cable, just molded

into one

>> assembly), at least as I recall.

>

> Sorry, I wasn't clear. The connectors are passive, ie no electronics

> inside. The mice have all the smarts.

OK.

> According to the above URLs:

>

> "The 'dual mode' mice have an automatic logic detection and sort of

> adaptive interface electronic, which detects whether the mouse is

> attached to a serial port or a PS/2 port and set the output drivers

> accordingly."

Nice!

> BTW, the "output drivers" are driver chips, not software drivers.

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April 14, 2008

Re: Any USB DOS mouse drivers (useful for some boot disks, etc)?

"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message

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> On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 05:34:42 -0500, "philo" <philo@privacy.net> put

> finger to keyboard and composed:

>

> >Yes, if the motherboard already has a serial port header (the nine

pins)

> >then all you'd need is the nine pin serial connector with wires and

mounting

> >bracket.

> >I'm sure any computer repair shop would have a drawer full of them

sitting

> >around

>

> Be aware that there are two common wiring conventions which are not

> compatible.

>

> This is one layout (with a 10-pin header):

> http://pinouts.ru/SerialPorts/Serial9_pinout.shtml

>

> In one case the motherboard header is numbered as follows (as seen

> from the 9-pin end of the internal transition cable) ...

>

> 2 10

> --------

> | |

> --------

> 1 9

>

> ... whereas others are numbered this way:

>

> 6 10

> --------

> | |

> --------

> 1 5

>

> Pin 10 is not connected in either case.

>

I think most of the new machines have that pretty well standardized...

but off hand I don't recall which one is the more likely configuration.

All I know is that when I pull one out of my junk box...it's usually

the

wrong one...

probably something I've removed from a scrapped out 386 <G>

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April 15, 2008

Re: Any USB DOS mouse drivers (useful for some boot disks, etc)?

"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:e7rFdzenIHA.4664@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>

> "Bill Blanton" <bblanton@REMOVEmagicnet.net> wrote in message

> news:%23rBjbddnIHA.3532@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> news:u8ifLpSnIHA.3512@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> | > Well, I must say that somewhat surprises me as well, that is not

what is

> | > generally found [generally the first failure encountered].

> | >

> | > It would be interesting to know the manufacturer and model for

that USB

> | > mouse, so others might find this on the net for their attempts.

> | > Might be wise to put up the motherboard/computer manufacturer and

model

> as

> | > well. This would, perhaps, allow placement of the chipset

information.

> | >

> | > Seems you may have USB compatibility/PS2 emulation in-built and

turned

> on

> | > by default.

> |

> | That would be my guess too. There's no penalty for "legacy mode" or

"PS/2

> emulation"

> | at the BIOS level once Windows boots and loads its own drivers.

However it

> may not be

> | desirable for some non-Windows (and possibly *nix) machines. How

many are

> there?

> |

> | The fact that mouse.exe works suggests that PS/2 is being emulated.

> |

>

> Yeah, seems so. I'm not sure if there would be a problem with *NIX

machines

> either, as that is handled in the kernel now anyway..

Probably not,,

> Anyone know for sure?

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April 15, 2008

Re: Any USB DOS mouse drivers (useful for some boot disks, etc)?

On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:03:01 -0600, "Bill in Co."

<not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote:

>rebel wrote:

>> On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 18:32:30 -0600, "Bill in Co."

>> <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote:

>>

>>> Franc Zabkar wrote:

>>>> On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 16:27:47 -0600, "Bill in Co."

>>>> <not_really_here@earthlink.net> put finger to keyboard and

composed:

>>>>

>>>>> So it appears that any PS/2 - Serial Adapters will *have* to have

some

>>>>> electronics inside, afterall, and are NOT just simply rewired,

>>>>> afterall.

>>>>

>>>> No, AIUI the combo mouse has all the electronics for both

interfaces

>>>> and protocols whereas a PS/2 mouse is PS/2 only and a serial mouse

is

>>>> serial only.

>>>>

>>>> See http://pinouts.ru/InputCables/MousePs2Serial_pinout.shtml

>>>> and http://pinouts.ru/InputCables/MouseSerialPs2_pinout.shtml

>>>

>>> AIUI? (don't know that one)

>>

>> As I understand it

>>

>>> But Franc, I have also seen advertised some basic PS/2 to Serial

(or vice

>>> versa) plug adapters (no mice included). They just look like

>>> connectors,

>>> with a very short cable (or even non-existent cable, just molded

into one

>>> assembly), at least as I recall.

>>

>> and those adapters ONLY work with certain mice - which turn out to

be the

>> bilingual ones using the appropriate bilingual driver.

>

>OK. Thanks for that info, and that seems to clear up some things.

>So if I'm reading that right, that implies those simple PS/2 to Serial

>adapter connectors may indeed be just rewired (and have no

electronics),

correct

>but, as you both said, a bilingual mouse would have to be used with

them

>(assuming you needed the adapter in the first place).

correct. All they do is permit a dual mode serial/PS2 mouse with

connector type

A to be plugged into a receptacle type B, or vice versa - saving you

the effort

of replacing the plug..

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