Slipstreaming WinXP with SP3

May 11, 2008

Hello All,

Is it possible to slipstream (i.e. combining) WinXP original with SP3?

Related info on combining WinXP original (Or SP1) with SP2:

see http://support.microsoft.com/kb/894947/

see http://www.helpwithwindows.com/WindowsXP/winxp-sp2-bootcd.html

I haven't upgraded to SP3 as of yet. I'm waiting to see if any major

issues. I know it hasn't been long since SP3 has been release, however

I thought that I'd ask the question since it removes all of the online

updates from SP2 to SP3. I'm thinking about re-configuring my system, so

a lot of time would be saved. TIA!

--

Regards,

Greg Strong

May 11, 2008

Re: Slipstreaming WinXP with SP3

Greg Strong wrote:

> Hello All,

>

> Is it possible to slipstream (i.e. combining) WinXP original with SP3?

>

> Related info on combining WinXP original (Or SP1) with SP2:

> see http://support.microsoft.com/kb/894947/

> see http://www.helpwithwindows.com/WindowsXP/winxp-sp2-bootcd.html

>

> I haven't upgraded to SP3 as of yet. I'm waiting to see if any major

> issues. I know it hasn't been long since SP3 has been release, however

> I thought that I'd ask the question since it removes all of the online

> updates from SP2 to SP3. I'm thinking about re-configuring my system, so

> a lot of time would be saved. TIA!

>

nlite is a program that will do it.

http://www.lancelhoff.com/2008/03/12/how-to-slipstream-service-pack-3-into-windows-xp/

Google 'slipstream SP3' you will get tons of links. Quite a few

refer to program A or program B. I don't know what you have.

To slipstream SP3 into your CD is the same as SP2.

May 11, 2008

Re: Slipstreaming WinXP with SP3

Greg Strong <news.REMOVE@geedubeeu.com.invalid> wrote:

>Hello All,

>

>Is it possible to slipstream (i.e. combining) WinXP original with SP3?

Only after you have slipstreamed it with SP1... and it is recommended

that you also then slipstream SP2 before slipstreaming SP3.

May 11, 2008

Re: Slipstreaming WinXP with SP3

On Sun, 11 May 2008 19:26:27 GMT, Big Al <BigAl@nowhere.com> wrote:

>Greg Strong wrote:

>> ...

>> Related info on combining WinXP original (Or SP1) with SP2:

>> see http://support.microsoft.com/kb/894947/

>> see http://www.helpwithwindows.com/WindowsXP/winxp-sp2-bootcd.html

>>

>> ...

>nlite is a program that will do it.

>http://www.lancelhoff.com/2008/03/12/how-to-slipstream-service-pack-3-into-windows-xp/

>

>Google 'slipstream SP3' you will get tons of links. Quite a few

>refer to program A or program B. I don't know what you have.

>To slipstream SP3 into your CD is the same as SP2.

The only programs I used to slipstream SP2 other than WinXP bootable OS

were the following:

1) Bart's Bootable Image Extractor (BBIE) per MS's KB

2) Nero to burn bootable image from combined files per MS's KB

The 1st was noted in the MS KB which was my 1st link above, and the 2nd

was noted in the HelpWithWindows link which was my 2nd link above. Not

to difficult. Looks like the nLite combines the 2 programs into 1, and

allows using Express version of Nero or other burnable ISO software

which usually comes with a DVD/CD RW drive.

I probably can use the same process (i.e. /integrate switch) on SP3.

Thanks for the info!

--

Regards,

Greg Strong

May 11, 2008

Re: Slipstreaming WinXP with SP3

Actually, I firmly beleive that only SP1 OR SP2 is needed before the second

and final slipstream, but not both when building on XP Gold.

XP SP1 + SP3 produces the same result as XP SP2 + SP3, unlike the very

suspect Vista Gold slipstream product. As far as I have been able to

determine, it makes no difference what the combination is on the first pass,

just that there needs to be one if the user is building on XP Gold.

"PD43" <pauld1943@comcast.net> wrote in message

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> Greg Strong <news.REMOVE@geedubeeu.com.invalid> wrote:

>

>>Hello All,

>>

>>Is it possible to slipstream (i.e. combining) WinXP original with SP3?

>

> Only after you have slipstreamed it with SP1... and it is recommended

> that you also then slipstream SP2 before slipstreaming SP3.

>

May 11, 2008

Re: Slipstreaming WinXP with SP3

Greg Strong wrote:

> On Sun, 11 May 2008 19:26:27 GMT, Big Al <BigAl@nowhere.com> wrote:

>

>> Greg Strong wrote:

>>> ...

>>> Related info on combining WinXP original (Or SP1) with SP2:

>>> see http://support.microsoft.com/kb/894947/

>>> see http://www.helpwithwindows.com/WindowsXP/winxp-sp2-bootcd.html

>>>

>>> ...

>

>> nlite is a program that will do it.

>> http://www.lancelhoff.com/2008/03/12/how-to-slipstream-service-pack-3-into-windows-xp/

>>

>> Google 'slipstream SP3' you will get tons of links. Quite a few

>> refer to program A or program B. I don't know what you have.

>> To slipstream SP3 into your CD is the same as SP2.

>

> The only programs I used to slipstream SP2 other than WinXP bootable OS

> were the following:

> 1) Bart's Bootable Image Extractor (BBIE) per MS's KB

> 2) Nero to burn bootable image from combined files per MS's KB

>

> The 1st was noted in the MS KB which was my 1st link above, and the 2nd

> was noted in the HelpWithWindows link which was my 2nd link above. Not

> to difficult. Looks like the nLite combines the 2 programs into 1, and

> allows using Express version of Nero or other burnable ISO software

> which usually comes with a DVD/CD RW drive.

>

> I probably can use the same process (i.e. /integrate switch) on SP3.

>

> Thanks for the info!

>

If you know the integrate command, yes that worked for me too.

Nlite allows you to add KB updates, changed settings, remove windows

software etc. So much more than just the integrate command.

Just test before you commit!

May 11, 2008

Re: Slipstreaming WinXP with SP3

On Sun, 11 May 2008 15:25:42 -0500, PD43 <pauld1943@comcast.net> wrote:

>Only after you have slipstreamed it with SP1... and it is recommended

>that you also then slipstream SP2 before slipstreaming SP3.

This seems to contradict MS's own KB per

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/894947/. Says original or "may also

contain SP1". Has there been experience that contrary to MS's KB? TIA!

--

Regards,

Greg Strong

May 11, 2008

Re: Slipstreaming WinXP with SP3

On Sun, 11 May 2008 20:36:21 GMT, Big Al <BigAl@nowhere.com> wrote:

>> I probably can use the same process (i.e. /integrate switch) on SP3.

>> ...

>If you know the integrate command, yes that worked for me too.

>Nlite allows you to add KB updates, changed settings, remove windows

>software etc. So much more than just the integrate command.

>

>Just test before you commit!

Probably and test are key operative words. :)

--

Regards,

Greg Strong

May 11, 2008

Re: Slipstreaming WinXP with SP3

PD43 wrote:

>Only after you have slipstreamed it with SP1... and it is recommended

>that you also then slipstream SP2 before slipstreaming SP3.

>

This is completely incorrect. You can slipstream XP SP3 with XP gold

version . I have done it and it does install without problems. The

only difference is that you need to provide the product key during

installation procedure rather than have the option to defer entering it

after is complete. Try it before writing anything about something you

have no knowledge of.

installation

As far as updating of the system is concerned, yes you need to have

either SP1a or SP2 before SP3 can be installed. The reason is that SP3

is not able to update certain files which are used by XP when it is

running. Slipstream process does not have this problem because it is

only updating the files in a folder copied from the original CD.

hth

May 11, 2008

Re: Slipstreaming WinXP with SP3

Greg Strong wrote:

>On Sun, 11 May 2008 15:25:42 -0500, PD43 <pauld1943@comcast.net> wrote:

>

>>Only after you have slipstreamed it with SP1... and it is recommended

>>that you also then slipstream SP2 before slipstreaming SP3.

>>

>

>This seems to contradict MS's own KB per

>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/894947/. Says original or "may also

>contain SP1". Has there been experience that contrary to MS's KB? TIA!

>

Greg,

You can slipstream on original XP as I have said in my previous

message. The difference is also explained in that message. I have done

it, and tested it. It is 100% as good as slipstreaming with either SP1a

or SP2.

hth

May 11, 2008

Re: Slipstreaming WinXP with SP3

Yes, slipstreaming works, but according to the MS SP3 beta team the

resulting OS that installs is defective. Argue with them.

"ANONYMOUS" <ANONYMOUS@EXAMPLE.COM> wrote in message

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>

> PD43 wrote:

>

>>Only after you have slipstreamed it with SP1... and it is recommended

>>that you also then slipstream SP2 before slipstreaming SP3.

>>

>

> This is completely incorrect. You can slipstream XP SP3 with XP gold

> version . I have done it and it does install without problems. The only

> difference is that you need to provide the product key during installation

> procedure rather than have the option to defer entering it after is

> complete. Try it before writing anything about something you have no

> knowledge of.

> installation

> As far as updating of the system is concerned, yes you need to have either

> SP1a or SP2 before SP3 can be installed. The reason is that SP3 is not

> able to update certain files which are used by XP when it is running.

> Slipstream process does not have this problem because it is only updating

> the files in a folder copied from the original CD.

> hth

May 11, 2008

Re: Slipstreaming WinXP with SP3

Where is your source? Provide the link please.

Colin Barnhorst wrote:

> Yes, slipstreaming works, but according to the MS SP3 beta team the

> resulting OS that installs is defective. Argue with them.

>

> "ANONYMOUS" <ANONYMOUS@EXAMPLE.COM> wrote in message

> news:OHjxX56sIHA.524@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>

>>

>> PD43 wrote:

>>

>>> Only after you have slipstreamed it with SP1... and it is recommended

>>> that you also then slipstream SP2 before slipstreaming SP3.

>>>

>>

>> This is completely incorrect. You can slipstream XP SP3 with XP gold

>> version . I have done it and it does install without problems. The

>> only difference is that you need to provide the product key during

>> installation procedure rather than have the option to defer entering

>> it after is complete. Try it before writing anything about

>> something you have no knowledge of.

>> installation

>> As far as updating of the system is concerned, yes you need to have

>> either SP1a or SP2 before SP3 can be installed. The reason is that

>> SP3 is not able to update certain files which are used by XP when it

>> is running. Slipstream process does not have this problem because it

>> is only updating the files in a folder copied from the original CD.

>> hth

>

May 11, 2008

Re: Slipstreaming WinXP with SP3

Greg Strong <news.REMOVE@geedubeeu.com.invalid> wrote:

>On Sun, 11 May 2008 15:25:42 -0500, PD43 <pauld1943@comcast.net> wrote:

>

>>Only after you have slipstreamed it with SP1... and it is recommended

>>that you also then slipstream SP2 before slipstreaming SP3.

>

>This seems to contradict MS's own KB per

>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/894947/. Says original or "may also

>contain SP1". Has there been experience that contrary to MS's KB? TIA!

1) Read the title to that article: it's about slipstreaming SP2.

2) Read the title of this thread

May 11, 2008

Re: Slipstreaming WinXP with SP3

The information I have I got from the SP3 team during beta testing. The SP3

beta newsgroups are closed so I cannot copy and paste from the beta ng

anymore. Do as you want, but be aware of the issue.

"ANONYMOUS" <ANONYMOUS@EXAMPLE.COM> wrote in message

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> Where is your source? Provide the link please.

>

> Colin Barnhorst wrote:

>

>> Yes, slipstreaming works, but according to the MS SP3 beta team the

>> resulting OS that installs is defective. Argue with them.

>>

>> "ANONYMOUS" <ANONYMOUS@EXAMPLE.COM> wrote in message

>> news:OHjxX56sIHA.524@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>

>>>

>>> PD43 wrote:

>>>

>>>> Only after you have slipstreamed it with SP1... and it is recommended

>>>> that you also then slipstream SP2 before slipstreaming SP3.

>>>>

>>>

>>> This is completely incorrect. You can slipstream XP SP3 with XP gold

>>> version . I have done it and it does install without problems. The

>>> only difference is that you need to provide the product key during

>>> installation procedure rather than have the option to defer entering it

>>> after is complete. Try it before writing anything about something you

>>> have no knowledge of.

>>> installation

>>> As far as updating of the system is concerned, yes you need to have

>>> either SP1a or SP2 before SP3 can be installed. The reason is that SP3

>>> is not able to update certain files which are used by XP when it is

>>> running. Slipstream process does not have this problem because it is

>>> only updating the files in a folder copied from the original CD.

>>> hth

>>

May 11, 2008

Re: Slipstreaming WinXP with SP3

Mr PD43,

Have you read this document:

<http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=68C48DAD-BC34-40BE-8D85-6BB4F56F5110&displaylang=en#filelist>

I suggest read the section which says: Deploying Windows XP SP3. This

is on page 11. It says very clearly and I quote:

"You can run the SP3 update package on any edition of Windows XP SP1 or

SP2. For example, you can

run the SP3 update package on a computer running the Windows XP Media

Center Edition with SP1. The

exceptions are Embedded editions for XP."

The last sentence says it all. The exceptions are Embedded editions of

XP. Now with all your intelligence, explain to me why there was a need

to have this exception?

Please note that we are not talking about running or installing SP3; we

are talking about EMBEDDING sp3 using the same terminology as Microsoft

but you may call it slipstreaming SP3 - it means one and the same thing

for our purpose.

I look forward to hearing from you.

Thank you.

PD43 wrote:

>Greg Strong <news.REMOVE@geedubeeu.com.invalid> wrote:

>

>>On Sun, 11 May 2008 15:25:42 -0500, PD43 <pauld1943@comcast.net> wrote:

>>

>>>Only after you have slipstreamed it with SP1... and it is recommended

>>>that you also then slipstream SP2 before slipstreaming SP3.

>>>

>>This seems to contradict MS's own KB per

>>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/894947/. Says original or "may also

>>contain SP1". Has there been experience that contrary to MS's KB? TIA!

>>

>

>1) Read the title to that article: it's about slipstreaming SP2.

>

>2) Read the title of this thread

>

May 11, 2008

Re: Slipstreaming WinXP with SP3

Colin Barnhorst wrote:

> The information I have I got from the SP3 team during beta testing.

> The SP3 beta newsgroups are closed so I cannot copy and paste from the

> beta ng anymore. Do as you want, but be aware of the issue.

>

There are no issues with embedded editions of XP3. You have failed to

produce any shred of evidence in this respect.

May 11, 2008

Re: Slipstreaming WinXP with SP3

ANONYMOUS wrote:

> The exceptions are Embedded editions for XP."

>

> we are talking about EMBEDDING sp3 using the same terminology as Microsoft

> but you may call it slipstreaming SP3 - it means one and the same thing

> for our purpose.

>

Embedding is not slipstream. Windows XP embedded is XPe. See below.

For anyone's info. An embedded system is more like a single chip rather

than PC. Or it was when my son was doing EE work at the university.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_XP_Embedded#Windows_XP_Embedded

Extract, the 2nd paragraph might explain.:

Windows XP Embedded, commonly abbreviated "XPe", is a componentized

version of the Professional edition of Windows XP. An original equipment

manufacturer is free to choose only the components needed thereby

reducing operating system footprint and also reducing attack area as

compared with XP Professional. Unlike Windows CE, Microsoft's operating

system for portable devices and consumer electronics, XP Embedded

provides the full Windows API, and support for the full range of

applications and device drivers written for Microsoft Windows. The

system requirements state that XPe can run on devices with at least 32MB

Compact Flash, 32MB RAM and a P-200 microprocessor. XPe was released on

November 28, 2001. As of February 2007, the newest release is Windows XP

Embedded SP2 Feature Pack 2007.

The devices targeted for XPe have included automatic teller machines,

arcade games, slot machines, cash registers, industrial robotics, thin

clients, set-top boxes, network attached storage (NAS), time clocks,

navigation devices, etc.[20] Custom versions of the OS can be deployed

onto anything but a full-fledged PC; even though XPe supports the same

hardware that XP Professional supports (x86 architecture), licensing

restrictions prevent it from being deployed on to standard PCs.

>>

May 11, 2008

Re: Slipstreaming WinXP with SP3

Troll !!!!

Cast you eye through this NG and you'll quickly spot that Colin Barnhorst

has more expertise in XP than you could even possibly dream of !

regards, Richard

(ANONYMOUSE is off to the kilfile)

"ANONYMOUS" <ANONYMOUS@EXAMPLE.COM> wrote in message

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>

> Colin Barnhorst wrote:

>

>> The information I have I got from the SP3 team during beta testing. The

>> SP3 beta newsgroups are closed so I cannot copy and paste from the beta

>> ng anymore. Do as you want, but be aware of the issue.

>>

> There are no issues with embedded editions of XP3. You have failed to

> produce any shred of evidence in this respect.

>

May 11, 2008

Re: Slipstreaming WinXP with SP3

Answered inline.

"ANONYMOUS" <ANONYMOUS@EXAMPLE.COM> wrote in message

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> Mr PD43,

>

> Have you read this document:

> <http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=68C48DAD-BC34-40BE-8D85-6BB4F56F5110&displaylang=en#filelist>

>

> I suggest read the section which says: Deploying Windows XP SP3. This is on

> page 11. It says very clearly and I quote:

>

> "You can run the SP3 update package on any edition of Windows XP SP1 or SP2.

> For example, you can

> run the SP3 update package on a computer running the Windows XP Media Center

> Edition with SP1. The

> exceptions are Embedded editions for XP."

>

> The last sentence says it all. The exceptions are Embedded editions of XP.

> Now with all your intelligence, explain to me why there was a need to have

> this exception?

When the article talks about "Embedded editions of XP", it's referring to the

version described on this MS web site.

Windows Embedded.

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/embedded/products/wexpe/default.mspx

Here's another article you might want to look at.

Windows XP Embedded

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_XP_Embedded#Windows_XP_Embedded

>

> Please note that we are not talking about running or installing SP3; we are

> talking about EMBEDDING sp3 using the same terminology as Microsoft but you

> may call it slipstreaming SP3 - it means one and the same thing for our

> purpose.

Sorry, not the same terminology.

>

> I look forward to hearing from you.

>

> Thank you.

Nepatsfan

May 11, 2008

Re: Slipstreaming WinXP with SP3

Embedded? Did you mean to say "integrated"? That would be what I would

call an XP cd that was produced at a given service pack level so that the

installed OS from it did not have any overt evidence of an earlier service

pack level (such as entries in Add/Remove).

"ANONYMOUS" <ANONYMOUS@EXAMPLE.COM> wrote in message

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>

> Colin Barnhorst wrote:

>

>> The information I have I got from the SP3 team during beta testing. The

>> SP3 beta newsgroups are closed so I cannot copy and paste from the beta

>> ng anymore. Do as you want, but be aware of the issue.

>>

> There are no issues with embedded editions of XP3. You have failed to

> produce any shred of evidence in this respect.

>

May 12, 2008

Re: Slipstreaming WinXP with SP3

RJK,

Colin Barnhost has certainly more expertise than you have. I have not

claimed that he is a complete idiot. What I have said that he is

spreading erroneous information about slipstreaming SP3 with XP (Gold )

version. There is absolutely no need to have any service packs

integrated prior to to integrating SP3 with XP (Gold).

I do not wish to spend any time on this because there are people out

there who wants their problems solved.

Thank you for this post.

RJK wrote:

>Troll !!!!

>

>Cast you eye through this NG and you'll quickly spot that Colin Barnhorst

>has more expertise in XP than you could even possibly dream of !

>

>regards, Richard

>(ANONYMOUSE is off to the kilfile)

>

>"ANONYMOUS" <ANONYMOUS@EXAMPLE.COM> wrote in message

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>

>>Colin Barnhorst wrote:

>>

>>>The information I have I got from the SP3 team during beta testing. The

>>>SP3 beta newsgroups are closed so I cannot copy and paste from the beta

>>>ng anymore. Do as you want, but be aware of the issue.

>>>

>>There are no issues with embedded editions of XP3. You have failed to

>>produce any shred of evidence in this respect.

>>

>

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