Holy BLOAT!

May 14, 2008

Re: Holy BLOAT!

That does bring back the memories!

My AppleIIGS had an external scsi 10 meg drive, and it finally got to the

point where it wouldn't spin up on its own. I guess the berings were going,

so I had to open it up, and spin the flywheel on the bottom with power on to

get it started. Then it worked fine (and I left it on), until the next power

failure, when I would have to repeat the procedure. :)

Kurt

>>>> No, they didn't crash that often. But had the same issues as today,

>>>> the mechanics of the hard drive. Today's drives are better in this

>>>> regard. Often you had to tap a ST506 10mb HD on it's side to get it to

>>>> spin, you then knew you had to replace it soon.

>>> Did you need to park the drive before powering off?

>>>

>>> C:\>PARK

>>>

>>> - GorkusPuss

May 14, 2008

Re: Holy BLOAT!

Onsokumaru wrote:

> "dadiOH" <dadiOH@invalid.com> wrote in message

> news:uC4nSPTtIHA.1936@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>> Kurt Herman wrote:

>>> Oh you are SOOO wrong!

>>>

>>> All computers those days (toaster Macs, Amiga's, Apples, TRS80s,

>>> Commodores) crashed ALL the time.

>> Not my TRS-80s. I'd never even *heard* of a computer crash until I got a

>> PC about 9 years ago. And that one - with Win98B - crashed lots less than

>> it did with Win98. So much for progress...

>>

> <snip>

>

> Considering you could only run one program at a time, what's to crash?

>

> It would depend on what you were doing and with what program as to crashing.

>

> Still it was fun times waiting 20 minutes for a program to load from a

> cassette...

>

LOL, 20 min from cassette! I had to go through that to play my favorite

games on my Atari 400 back when! :)

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May 14, 2008

Re: Holy BLOAT!

I'm surprised no one in this thread has mentioned a Punch Card, Vista user's seem scarce at

a more senior level of person and calibre.

- GorkusPuss

The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy' wrote:

> Onsokumaru wrote:

>> "dadiOH" <dadiOH@invalid.com> wrote in message

>> news:uC4nSPTtIHA.1936@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>> Kurt Herman wrote:

>>>> Oh you are SOOO wrong!

>>>>

>>>> All computers those days (toaster Macs, Amiga's, Apples, TRS80s,

>>>> Commodores) crashed ALL the time.

>>> Not my TRS-80s. I'd never even *heard* of a computer crash until I

>>> got a PC about 9 years ago. And that one - with Win98B - crashed

>>> lots less than it did with Win98. So much for progress...

>>>

>> <snip>

>>

>> Considering you could only run one program at a time, what's to crash?

>>

>> It would depend on what you were doing and with what program as to

>> crashing.

>>

>> Still it was fun times waiting 20 minutes for a program to load from a

>> cassette...

>>

>

> LOL, 20 min from cassette! I had to go through that to play my favorite

> games on my Atari 400 back when! :)

>

May 14, 2008

Re: Holy BLOAT!

Only punched tape, no cards, but then maybe the folks that've seen it

all, aren't the whiners! ;-)

GorkusPuss wrote:

>

> I'm surprised no one in this thread has mentioned a Punch Card, Vista

> user's seem scarce at a more senior level of person and calibre.

>

> - GorkusPuss

>

> The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'

> wrote:

>

>> Onsokumaru wrote:

>>

>>> "dadiOH" <dadiOH@invalid.com> wrote in message

>>> news:uC4nSPTtIHA.1936@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>>

>>>> Kurt Herman wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> Oh you are SOOO wrong!

>>>>>

>>>>> All computers those days (toaster Macs, Amiga's, Apples, TRS80s,

>>>>> Commodores) crashed ALL the time.

>>>>

>>>> Not my TRS-80s. I'd never even *heard* of a computer crash until I

>>>> got a PC about 9 years ago. And that one - with Win98B - crashed

>>>> lots less than it did with Win98. So much for progress...

>>>>

>>> <snip>

>>>

>>> Considering you could only run one program at a time, what's to crash?

>>>

>>> It would depend on what you were doing and with what program as to

>>> crashing.

>>>

>>> Still it was fun times waiting 20 minutes for a program to load from

>>> a cassette...

>>>

>>

>> LOL, 20 min from cassette! I had to go through that to play my

>> favorite games on my Atari 400 back when! :)

>>

May 14, 2008

Re: Holy BLOAT!

LOL, I started on a tube based machine, with punch tape to 'save' programs.

Later on I used punch cards.

Don't you miss them? LOL

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"GorkusPuss" <g_p@msnews.grp> wrote in message

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>

> I'm surprised no one in this thread has mentioned a Punch Card, Vista

> user's seem scarce at a more senior level of person and calibre.

>

> - GorkusPuss

>

> The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'

> wrote:

>> Onsokumaru wrote:

>>> "dadiOH" <dadiOH@invalid.com> wrote in message

>>> news:uC4nSPTtIHA.1936@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>>> Kurt Herman wrote:

>>>>> Oh you are SOOO wrong!

>>>>>

>>>>> All computers those days (toaster Macs, Amiga's, Apples, TRS80s,

>>>>> Commodores) crashed ALL the time.

>>>> Not my TRS-80s. I'd never even *heard* of a computer crash until I got

>>>> a PC about 9 years ago. And that one - with Win98B - crashed lots less

>>>> than it did with Win98. So much for progress...

>>>>

>>> <snip>

>>>

>>> Considering you could only run one program at a time, what's to crash?

>>>

>>> It would depend on what you were doing and with what program as to

>>> crashing.

>>>

>>> Still it was fun times waiting 20 minutes for a program to load from a

>>> cassette...

>>>

>>

>> LOL, 20 min from cassette! I had to go through that to play my favorite

>> games on my Atari 400 back when! :)

>>

May 14, 2008

RE: Holy BLOAT!

I think this post has gone off topic for long enough.

considering it should not have been posted in an XP group anyway.

My original post, voicing this opinion is no longer around, interesting.

"Nonny" wrote:

> I was wondering why my new Vista system would only hold eight restore

> points. I recently used up that space very quickly when I installed a

> bunch of my old programs that I used in XP.

>

> Turns out that my Vista restore points are about TWO GIGS EACH,

> compared to 200mb each in my old XP system.

>

> By default, Vista appears to allocate a maximum size of 15% of the

> drive's total space for restore points. Or it might be a fixed

> number, I'm not sure. On my system disk, it's currently a tad over 16

> gigs. That much space would've stored 80 restore points in XP!

>

> To change that space allocation requires some command line hoop

> jumping, rather than just moving a slider in the GUI.

>

May 14, 2008

Re: Holy BLOAT!

"Bob I" <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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> Only punched tape, no cards, but then maybe the folks that've seen it all,

> aren't the whiners! ;-)

I learnt to program in Fortran using a portapunch while I was at primary

school in the '60s.

It was a case of punch out a program using the punch on 40 column pre

perforated cards,

post them to Imperial college in London,

wait a few days,

get cards back with printout.

I was about 8 at the time.

May 14, 2008

Re: Holy BLOAT!

sgopus <sgopus@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>I think this post has gone off topic for long enough.

>considering it should not have been posted in an XP group anyway.

>My original post, voicing this opinion is no longer around, interesting.

But all the others are? <chuckle>

>

>"Nonny" wrote:

>

>> I was wondering why my new Vista system would only hold eight restore

>> points. I recently used up that space very quickly when I installed a

>> bunch of my old programs that I used in XP.

>>

>> Turns out that my Vista restore points are about TWO GIGS EACH,

>> compared to 200mb each in my old XP system.

>>

>> By default, Vista appears to allocate a maximum size of 15% of the

>> drive's total space for restore points. Or it might be a fixed

>> number, I'm not sure. On my system disk, it's currently a tad over 16

>> gigs. That much space would've stored 80 restore points in XP!

>>

>> To change that space allocation requires some command line hoop

>> jumping, rather than just moving a slider in the GUI.

>>

May 15, 2008

Re: Holy BLOAT!

not so that I can see. this is the only one remaining

"PD43" wrote:

> sgopus <sgopus@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>

> >I think this post has gone off topic for long enough.

> >considering it should not have been posted in an XP group anyway.

> >My original post, voicing this opinion is no longer around, interesting.

>

> But all the others are? <chuckle>

>

> >

> >"Nonny" wrote:

> >

> >> I was wondering why my new Vista system would only hold eight restore

> >> points. I recently used up that space very quickly when I installed a

> >> bunch of my old programs that I used in XP.

> >>

> >> Turns out that my Vista restore points are about TWO GIGS EACH,

> >> compared to 200mb each in my old XP system.

> >>

> >> By default, Vista appears to allocate a maximum size of 15% of the

> >> drive's total space for restore points. Or it might be a fixed

> >> number, I'm not sure. On my system disk, it's currently a tad over 16

> >> gigs. That much space would've stored 80 restore points in XP!

> >>

> >> To change that space allocation requires some command line hoop

> >> jumping, rather than just moving a slider in the GUI.

> >>

>

May 15, 2008

Re: Holy BLOAT!

dennis@home wrote:

> "Bob I" <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote in message

> news:uQ66BxftIHA.3804@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>> Only punched tape, no cards, but then maybe the folks that've seen it

>> all,

>> aren't the whiners! ;-)

>

> I learnt to program in Fortran using a portapunch while I was at primary

> school in the '60s.

> It was a case of punch out a program using the punch on 40 column pre

> perforated cards,

> post them to Imperial college in London,

> wait a few days,

> get cards back with printout.

We had to wait a WEEK to get the results back! And if you made any

errors, it was tough nuggies.

May 15, 2008

Re: Holy BLOAT!

"GorkusPuss" <g_p@msnews.grp> wrote in message

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>

> I'm surprised no one in this thread has mentioned a Punch Card, Vista

> user's seem scarce at a more senior level of person and calibre.

>

> - GorkusPuss

And paper tape. Fortran, on cards. the first language for me. Always made

sure my program was on the top of the stack as someone would always crash

the desk 1/2 way through.

Crap, that makes me feel old.

May 15, 2008

Re: Holy BLOAT!

"Bob I" <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:uQ66BxftIHA.3804@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> Only punched tape, no cards, but then maybe the folks that've seen it all,

> aren't the whiners! ;-)

The worst part was thumb wheeling in the boot strap. Perkin Elmer (?), or

was it a PDP ? First, thumb wheel in the boot code, then the paper tape and

finally, you could get to the big floppy for all of 16k of core/donut

memory.

May 15, 2008

Re: Holy BLOAT!

I seem to remember it was Mylar tape not paper, but I guess it depends on

the system.

In 1969 we used the HP 2000...LOL It used HP basic.

There were no programs to run on the computer.

Whatever you wanted it to do, you had to write a program to make it work.

Do you remember programming with line numbers?

Did you ever write a for/next or a do loop? LOL

In a high school of 2000 students, they allowed 16 of us to take the

computer class.

You had to have an interview with the Dean, Counselor, Teacher and Principal

to be allowed in.

I learned Compiler, Fortran & Cobol when I went to college.

"Canuck57" <dave-no_spam@unixhome.net> wrote in message

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>

> "GorkusPuss" <g_p@msnews.grp> wrote in message

> news:u60QcUftIHA.5892@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>

>> I'm surprised no one in this thread has mentioned a Punch Card, Vista

>> user's seem scarce at a more senior level of person and calibre.

>>

>> - GorkusPuss

>

> And paper tape. Fortran, on cards. the first language for me. Always

> made sure my program was on the top of the stack as someone would always

> crash the desk 1/2 way through.

>

> Crap, that makes me feel old.

>

May 15, 2008

Re: Holy BLOAT!

Not Me wrote:

> I seem to remember it was Mylar tape not paper, but I guess it depends

> on the system.

> In 1969 we used the HP 2000...LOL It used HP basic.

> There were no programs to run on the computer.

> Whatever you wanted it to do, you had to write a program to make it work.

> Do you remember programming with line numbers?

> Did you ever write a for/next or a do loop? LOL

> In a high school of 2000 students, they allowed 16 of us to take the

> computer class.

> You had to have an interview with the Dean, Counselor, Teacher and

> Principal to be allowed in.

> I learned Compiler, Fortran & Cobol when I went to college.

>

> "Canuck57" <dave-no_spam@unixhome.net> wrote in message

> news:%%OWj.137979$rd2.66567@pd7urf3no...

>>

>> "GorkusPuss" <g_p@msnews.grp> wrote in message

>> news:u60QcUftIHA.5892@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>>

>>> I'm surprised no one in this thread has mentioned a Punch Card, Vista

>>> user's seem scarce at a more senior level of person and calibre.

>>>

>>> - GorkusPuss

>>

>> And paper tape. Fortran, on cards. the first language for me. Always

>> made sure my program was on the top of the stack as someone would

>> always crash the desk 1/2 way through.

>>

>> Crap, that makes me feel old.

>>

You guys are young!

I was a radio operator in the Army in 1953 and used paper tape to send

RTT (radio teleytpe) messages. Fortran and punch cards came much later.

And I, too, had a VIC-20 with cassette input.

Bill

May 15, 2008

Re: Holy BLOAT!

Bill Sharpe wrote:

> Not Me wrote:

>> I seem to remember it was Mylar tape not paper, but I guess it depends

>> on the system.

>> In 1969 we used the HP 2000...LOL It used HP basic.

>> There were no programs to run on the computer.

>> Whatever you wanted it to do, you had to write a program to make it work.

>> Do you remember programming with line numbers?

>> Did you ever write a for/next or a do loop? LOL

>> In a high school of 2000 students, they allowed 16 of us to take the

>> computer class.

>> You had to have an interview with the Dean, Counselor, Teacher and

>> Principal to be allowed in.

>> I learned Compiler, Fortran & Cobol when I went to college.

>>

>> "Canuck57" <dave-no_spam@unixhome.net> wrote in message

>> news:%%OWj.137979$rd2.66567@pd7urf3no...

>>>

>>> "GorkusPuss" <g_p@msnews.grp> wrote in message

>>> news:u60QcUftIHA.5892@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>>>

>>>> I'm surprised no one in this thread has mentioned a Punch Card,

>>>> Vista user's seem scarce at a more senior level of person and calibre.

>>>>

>>>> - GorkusPuss

>>>

>>> And paper tape. Fortran, on cards. the first language for me.

>>> Always made sure my program was on the top of the stack as someone

>>> would always crash the desk 1/2 way through.

>>>

>>> Crap, that makes me feel old.

>>>

> You guys are young!

> I was a radio operator in the Army in 1953 and used paper tape to send

> RTT (radio teleytpe) messages. Fortran and punch cards came much later.

> And I, too, had a VIC-20 with cassette input.

>

> Bill

I was using paper tape on a TT-76 tty machine also in 1968--great fun

that was..

Eric

May 15, 2008

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"Not Me" <cargod01@bresnan.net> wrote in message

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>I seem to remember it was Mylar tape not paper, but I guess it depends on

>the system.

Yep, but I think mylar came after paper. Mylar was not as fragile as paper.

> In 1969 we used the HP 2000...LOL It used HP basic.

Older than I, me did HP 3000 once. Tempermental. Had those drum 2MB

dishwasher type drives. Never forgot the sound when a head crashed on a

plater once.

> There were no programs to run on the computer.

> Whatever you wanted it to do, you had to write a program to make it work.

> Do you remember programming with line numbers?

Certainly.

10 print Hello

20 goto 10

Pet 2000, was a welcome alternative to a PDP.

> Did you ever write a for/next or a do loop? LOL

Lots.

> In a high school of 2000 students, they allowed 16 of us to take the

> computer class.

I was a lucky one. Fortran, cards.

> You had to have an interview with the Dean, Counselor, Teacher and

> Principal to be allowed in.

> I learned Compiler, Fortran & Cobol when I went to college.

Never had to do the interview. Math, only got 90% because 10% was for

attendance. Physics, chemistry and biology, almost the same. Biology drew

me down.

English was a different story, as Spock would say, "Not logical". I did

better at fortran than english.

May 15, 2008

Re: Holy BLOAT!

"Bill Sharpe" <wfsnopam@adelphia.net> wrote in message

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> Not Me wrote:

>> I seem to remember it was Mylar tape not paper, but I guess it depends on

>> the system.

>> In 1969 we used the HP 2000...LOL It used HP basic.

>> There were no programs to run on the computer.

>> Whatever you wanted it to do, you had to write a program to make it work.

>> Do you remember programming with line numbers?

>> Did you ever write a for/next or a do loop? LOL

>> In a high school of 2000 students, they allowed 16 of us to take the

>> computer class.

>> You had to have an interview with the Dean, Counselor, Teacher and

>> Principal to be allowed in.

>> I learned Compiler, Fortran & Cobol when I went to college.

>>

>> "Canuck57" <dave-no_spam@unixhome.net> wrote in message

>> news:%%OWj.137979$rd2.66567@pd7urf3no...

>>>

>>> "GorkusPuss" <g_p@msnews.grp> wrote in message

>>> news:u60QcUftIHA.5892@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>>>

>>>> I'm surprised no one in this thread has mentioned a Punch Card, Vista

>>>> user's seem scarce at a more senior level of person and calibre.

>>>>

>>>> - GorkusPuss

>>>

>>> And paper tape. Fortran, on cards. the first language for me. Always

>>> made sure my program was on the top of the stack as someone would always

>>> crash the desk 1/2 way through.

>>>

>>> Crap, that makes me feel old.

>>>

> You guys are young!

> I was a radio operator in the Army in 1953 and used paper tape to send RTT

> (radio teleytpe) messages. Fortran and punch cards came much later. And I,

> too, had a VIC-20 with cassette input.

>

> Bill

Guess so. If you were say 19 in the army in 1953 that would make you a spry

old fart at 74!!!

Bet you have some stories to tell.

May 16, 2008

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Bill Sharpe wrote:

> Not Me wrote:

>> I seem to remember it was Mylar tape not paper, but I guess it depends

>> on the system.

>> In 1969 we used the HP 2000...LOL It used HP basic.

>> There were no programs to run on the computer.

>> Whatever you wanted it to do, you had to write a program to make it work.

>> Do you remember programming with line numbers?

>> Did you ever write a for/next or a do loop? LOL

>> In a high school of 2000 students, they allowed 16 of us to take the

>> computer class.

>> You had to have an interview with the Dean, Counselor, Teacher and

>> Principal to be allowed in.

>> I learned Compiler, Fortran & Cobol when I went to college.

>>

>> "Canuck57" <dave-no_spam@unixhome.net> wrote in message

>> news:%%OWj.137979$rd2.66567@pd7urf3no...

>>>

>>> "GorkusPuss" <g_p@msnews.grp> wrote in message

>>> news:u60QcUftIHA.5892@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>>>

>>>> I'm surprised no one in this thread has mentioned a Punch Card,

>>>> Vista user's seem scarce at a more senior level of person and calibre.

>>>>

>>>> - GorkusPuss

>>>

>>> And paper tape. Fortran, on cards. the first language for me.

>>> Always made sure my program was on the top of the stack as someone

>>> would always crash the desk 1/2 way through.

>>>

>>> Crap, that makes me feel old.

>>>

> You guys are young!

> I was a radio operator in the Army in 1953 and used paper tape to send

> RTT (radio teleytpe) messages. Fortran and punch cards came much later.

> And I, too, had a VIC-20 with cassette input.

>

> Bill

Actually, Herman Hollerith developed the punched card for the 1890

census--before there were any radio operators, as Marconi hadn't come

through with the radio yet. The dimensions of the cards were the same as

the dimensions of the old-style saddle blanket currency, as the

government had plenty of cutting machinery to turn them out.

Allen

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