win98 se startup issues

May 13, 2008

Every time I try to boot my computer, I get the message that it's "preparing

to run windows for the first time". I go through that process and let it

detect devices and install drivers, but when I restart I get the same message

again and must repeat the detection process. I remember from a while back

that setup makes some changes to some boot files to reflect that it is first

boot, but I can't recall which files. Can anyone help with this issue? It's

Windows 98 SE, and the computer was given to me by a previous owner; he used

it for business and removed all his files then gave me the box.

Thanks in advance.

May 13, 2008

Re: win98 se startup issues

"schmenge" <schmenge@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:88945D34-0E13-4603-88B6-08A30194B0E3@microsoft.com...

> Every time I try to boot my computer, I get the message that it's

"preparing

> to run windows for the first time". I go through that process and let it

> detect devices and install drivers, but when I restart I get the same

message

> again and must repeat the detection process. I remember from a while back

> that setup makes some changes to some boot files to reflect that it is

first

> boot, but I can't recall which files. Can anyone help with this issue?

It's

> Windows 98 SE, and the computer was given to me by a previous owner; he

used

> it for business and removed all his files then gave me the box.

>

> Thanks in advance.

Since the machine had a previous owner...

I recommend a fresh install

May 13, 2008

Re: win98 se startup issues

Did he give you the installation CDs for Windows and the applications? If

not, that box is worthless and you may as well not even bother to fix it.

You're going to need those CDs, anyway, for situations like the one you're

in.

You really want to run a box that was possibly infected with who knows how

many viruses, etc., that may have easily recoverable "deleted" files with

evidence of a crime like pedo-porn?

That machine should be wiped clean using a security wipe and then a new

system installed. Otherwise, throw it away, or rather, recycle it properly.

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://www.grystmill.com

"schmenge" <schmenge@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:88945D34-0E13-4603-88B6-08A30194B0E3@microsoft.com...

> Every time I try to boot my computer, I get the message that it's

> "preparing

> to run windows for the first time". I go through that process and let it

> detect devices and install drivers, but when I restart I get the same

> message

> again and must repeat the detection process. I remember from a while back

> that setup makes some changes to some boot files to reflect that it is

> first

> boot, but I can't recall which files. Can anyone help with this issue?

> It's

> Windows 98 SE, and the computer was given to me by a previous owner; he

> used

> it for business and removed all his files then gave me the box.

>

> Thanks in advance.

May 13, 2008

Re: win98 se startup issues

"schmenge" <schmenge@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:88945D34-0E13-4603-88B6-08A30194B0E3@microsoft.com...

> Every time I try to boot my computer, I get the message that it's

"preparing

> to run windows for the first time". I go through that process and let it

> detect devices and install drivers, but when I restart I get the same

message

> again and must repeat the detection process. I remember from a while back

> that setup makes some changes to some boot files to reflect that it is

first

> boot, but I can't recall which files.

1. Run a reliable check for viruses and malware.

2. Prepare to reformat and reinstal from scratch from

your Win98SE system CD. Good advice is at

http://home.satx.rr.com/badour/html/w98_restore.html

3. Before that boot DOS (as can he done from your boot

floppy) and

DEL C:\temp\*.*

DEL C:\WINDOWS\temp\*.*

FDISK /MBR

These DOS commands will clear away vestiges of incomplete

failed installations, a possible cause of your startup message.

Just possibly, Windows may then start OK.

--

Don Phillipson

Carlsbad Springs

(Ottawa, Canada)

May 14, 2008

Re: win98 se startup issues

Check autoexec.bat, config.sys, msdos.sys, and check for setuplog.txt.

Files which might be indicative:

Bootlog.txt - create one by selecting it from the Menu [press F8 repeatedly

during boot]

Detlog.txt - detection log

Netlog.txt - network detection

Setuplog.txt - setup information created during installation

Detcrash.log - detection crash log - obvious

Trying to start in SAFE Mode might let you diagnose issues which may be

affecting the normal startup. Rapidly tap F8 during bootup, choose it from

the Menu.

MSInfo might provide you with the machine history that might provide

additional clues. Checking Device Manager while in Safe Mode, delete any

devices that are not still included in the system.

ASD [automatic skip driver agent] also might be of interest or use.

You also might want to check for corruption of the registry by running

scanreg /fix at the DOS prompt..

--

MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

--

_________

"schmenge" <schmenge@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:88945D34-0E13-4603-88B6-08A30194B0E3@microsoft.com...

| Every time I try to boot my computer, I get the message that it's

"preparing

| to run windows for the first time". I go through that process and let it

| detect devices and install drivers, but when I restart I get the same

message

| again and must repeat the detection process. I remember from a while back

| that setup makes some changes to some boot files to reflect that it is

first

| boot, but I can't recall which files. Can anyone help with this issue?

It's

| Windows 98 SE, and the computer was given to me by a previous owner; he

used

| it for business and removed all his files then gave me the box.

|

| Thanks in advance.

May 14, 2008

Re: win98 se startup issues

Thank you, kind folks. The last 2 replies are more promising; I hate to

re-install unless there are no options.

"MEB" wrote:

> Check autoexec.bat, config.sys, msdos.sys, and check for setuplog.txt.

>

> Files which might be indicative:

> Bootlog.txt - create one by selecting it from the Menu [press F8 repeatedly

> during boot]

> Detlog.txt - detection log

> Netlog.txt - network detection

> Setuplog.txt - setup information created during installation

> Detcrash.log - detection crash log - obvious

>

> Trying to start in SAFE Mode might let you diagnose issues which may be

> affecting the normal startup. Rapidly tap F8 during bootup, choose it from

> the Menu.

> MSInfo might provide you with the machine history that might provide

> additional clues. Checking Device Manager while in Safe Mode, delete any

> devices that are not still included in the system.

> ASD [automatic skip driver agent] also might be of interest or use.

>

> You also might want to check for corruption of the registry by running

> scanreg /fix at the DOS prompt..

>

> --

> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

> --

> _________

>

> "schmenge" <schmenge@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:88945D34-0E13-4603-88B6-08A30194B0E3@microsoft.com...

> | Every time I try to boot my computer, I get the message that it's

> "preparing

> | to run windows for the first time". I go through that process and let it

> | detect devices and install drivers, but when I restart I get the same

> message

> | again and must repeat the detection process. I remember from a while back

> | that setup makes some changes to some boot files to reflect that it is

> first

> | boot, but I can't recall which files. Can anyone help with this issue?

> It's

> | Windows 98 SE, and the computer was given to me by a previous owner; he

> used

> | it for business and removed all his files then gave me the box.

> |

> | Thanks in advance.

>

May 14, 2008

Re: win98 se startup issues

Psssst! I got another $20. I bet "schmenge" = "Dan".

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://www.grystmill.com

"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:eBr789VtIHA.5096@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> Check autoexec.bat, config.sys, msdos.sys, and check for setuplog.txt.

>

> Files which might be indicative:

> Bootlog.txt - create one by selecting it from the Menu [press F8

> repeatedly

> during boot]

> Detlog.txt - detection log

> Netlog.txt - network detection

> Setuplog.txt - setup information created during installation

> Detcrash.log - detection crash log - obvious

>

> Trying to start in SAFE Mode might let you diagnose issues which may be

> affecting the normal startup. Rapidly tap F8 during bootup, choose it from

> the Menu.

> MSInfo might provide you with the machine history that might provide

> additional clues. Checking Device Manager while in Safe Mode, delete any

> devices that are not still included in the system.

> ASD [automatic skip driver agent] also might be of interest or use.

>

> You also might want to check for corruption of the registry by running

> scanreg /fix at the DOS prompt..

>

> --

> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

> --

> _________

>

> "schmenge" <schmenge@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:88945D34-0E13-4603-88B6-08A30194B0E3@microsoft.com...

> | Every time I try to boot my computer, I get the message that it's

> "preparing

> | to run windows for the first time". I go through that process and let

> it

> | detect devices and install drivers, but when I restart I get the same

> message

> | again and must repeat the detection process. I remember from a while

> back

> | that setup makes some changes to some boot files to reflect that it is

> first

> | boot, but I can't recall which files. Can anyone help with this issue?

> It's

> | Windows 98 SE, and the computer was given to me by a previous owner; he

> used

> | it for business and removed all his files then gave me the box.

> |

> | Thanks in advance.

>

May 14, 2008

Re: win98 se startup issues

AFAIK, that message only appears during installation of Windows 98. Since

you don't say you're stuck trying to reinstall Windows, I can only assume

the previous owner ran Setup. Perhaps even reformatted, first. So, we're

back to, "Do you have the installation CD?" And, yes, Don's advice is not

bad, but if you're dealing with someone else's abortion, I'd start

completely over, and if I'm going to do that, a security wipe makes sense to

do first, then reformat (or vice-versa.)

And the problem, IIRC, is usually a royally failed hardware install,

suggesting wrong drivers, improper preparation for installation, and who

knows what other issues, depending on make and model of the system. Like it

might be that it can only be reinstalled using the proprietary Restore CD

but your boss didn't have the right one and tried a different one...

What's the make/model of your laptop?

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://www.grystmill.com

"schmenge" <schmenge@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:F7320C1C-4336-4948-998C-E4CD37CD5377@microsoft.com...

> Thank you, kind folks. The last 2 replies are more promising; I hate to

> re-install unless there are no options.

>

> "MEB" wrote:

>

>> Check autoexec.bat, config.sys, msdos.sys, and check for setuplog.txt.

>>

>> Files which might be indicative:

>> Bootlog.txt - create one by selecting it from the Menu [press F8

>> repeatedly

>> during boot]

>> Detlog.txt - detection log

>> Netlog.txt - network detection

>> Setuplog.txt - setup information created during installation

>> Detcrash.log - detection crash log - obvious

>>

>> Trying to start in SAFE Mode might let you diagnose issues which may be

>> affecting the normal startup. Rapidly tap F8 during bootup, choose it

>> from

>> the Menu.

>> MSInfo might provide you with the machine history that might provide

>> additional clues. Checking Device Manager while in Safe Mode, delete any

>> devices that are not still included in the system.

>> ASD [automatic skip driver agent] also might be of interest or use.

>>

>> You also might want to check for corruption of the registry by running

>> scanreg /fix at the DOS prompt..

>>

>> --

>> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

>> --

>> _________

>>

>> "schmenge" <schmenge@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> news:88945D34-0E13-4603-88B6-08A30194B0E3@microsoft.com...

>> | Every time I try to boot my computer, I get the message that it's

>> "preparing

>> | to run windows for the first time". I go through that process and let

>> it

>> | detect devices and install drivers, but when I restart I get the same

>> message

>> | again and must repeat the detection process. I remember from a while

>> back

>> | that setup makes some changes to some boot files to reflect that it is

>> first

>> | boot, but I can't recall which files. Can anyone help with this issue?

>> It's

>> | Windows 98 SE, and the computer was given to me by a previous owner; he

>> used

>> | it for business and removed all his files then gave me the box.

>> |

>> | Thanks in advance.

>>

May 14, 2008

Re: win98 se startup issues

setuplog.txt can perform two functions to diagnose - the *date* would

indicate whether it is recent or from some old installation and when - the

failed issues contained within would be the devices which setup had issues

with and tried to *avoid*... taken in conjunction with the other files there

MAY be other indications of why it is stuck..

The other files mentioned could also be useful, for the reason for their

creation.

*detlog.txt is created when new hardware is detected, OR present

configuration is changed.

*detcrashlog.txt MIGHT contain the failed hardware issue.

*bootlog.txt would show problem devices or other

Safe Mode, if accessible, could provide useful information, AND provide a

method to remove any problem issues.

What makes Gary think this is a laptop, "then gave me the box."

IF you have no disks for "the box" we would need to know the make and model

[proprietary or not], attached hardware, and any adapter cards. Also, what

is the system trying to constantly install?.

--

MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

--

_________

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

news:%23MK1xyWtIHA.4952@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

| AFAIK, that message only appears during installation of Windows 98. Since

| you don't say you're stuck trying to reinstall Windows, I can only assume

| the previous owner ran Setup. Perhaps even reformatted, first. So, we're

| back to, "Do you have the installation CD?" And, yes, Don's advice is not

| bad, but if you're dealing with someone else's abortion, I'd start

| completely over, and if I'm going to do that, a security wipe makes sense

to

| do first, then reformat (or vice-versa.)

|

| And the problem, IIRC, is usually a royally failed hardware install,

| suggesting wrong drivers, improper preparation for installation, and who

| knows what other issues, depending on make and model of the system. Like

it

| might be that it can only be reinstalled using the proprietary Restore CD

| but your boss didn't have the right one and tried a different one...

|

| What's the make/model of your laptop?

|

| --

| Gary S. Terhune

| MS-MVP Shell/User

| http://www.grystmill.com

|

| "schmenge" <schmenge@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

| news:F7320C1C-4336-4948-998C-E4CD37CD5377@microsoft.com...

| > Thank you, kind folks. The last 2 replies are more promising; I hate to

| > re-install unless there are no options.

| >

| > "MEB" wrote:

| >

| >> Check autoexec.bat, config.sys, msdos.sys, and check for setuplog.txt.

| >>

| >> Files which might be indicative:

| >> Bootlog.txt - create one by selecting it from the Menu [press F8

| >> repeatedly

| >> during boot]

| >> Detlog.txt - detection log

| >> Netlog.txt - network detection

| >> Setuplog.txt - setup information created during installation

| >> Detcrash.log - detection crash log - obvious

| >>

| >> Trying to start in SAFE Mode might let you diagnose issues which may

be

| >> affecting the normal startup. Rapidly tap F8 during bootup, choose it

| >> from

| >> the Menu.

| >> MSInfo might provide you with the machine history that might provide

| >> additional clues. Checking Device Manager while in Safe Mode, delete

any

| >> devices that are not still included in the system.

| >> ASD [automatic skip driver agent] also might be of interest or use.

| >>

| >> You also might want to check for corruption of the registry by running

| >> scanreg /fix at the DOS prompt..

| >>

| >> --

| >> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

| >> --

| >> _________

| >>

| >> "schmenge" <schmenge@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

| >> news:88945D34-0E13-4603-88B6-08A30194B0E3@microsoft.com...

| >> | Every time I try to boot my computer, I get the message that it's

| >> "preparing

| >> | to run windows for the first time". I go through that process and

let

| >> it

| >> | detect devices and install drivers, but when I restart I get the same

| >> message

| >> | again and must repeat the detection process. I remember from a while

| >> back

| >> | that setup makes some changes to some boot files to reflect that it

is

| >> first

| >> | boot, but I can't recall which files. Can anyone help with this

issue?

| >> It's

| >> | Windows 98 SE, and the computer was given to me by a previous owner;

he

| >> used

| >> | it for business and removed all his files then gave me the box.

| >> |

| >> | Thanks in advance.

| >>

|

May 14, 2008

Re: win98 se startup issues

hahahaha,,,,,,CDO 2000 - X-WBNR-Posting-Host: 207.46.192.207, may be.

--

MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

--

_________

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

news:%237CGVYWtIHA.3804@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

| Psssst! I got another $20. I bet "schmenge" = "Dan".

|

| --

| Gary S. Terhune

| MS-MVP Shell/User

| http://www.grystmill.com

|

| "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

| news:eBr789VtIHA.5096@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

| > Check autoexec.bat, config.sys, msdos.sys, and check for setuplog.txt.

| >

| > Files which might be indicative:

| > Bootlog.txt - create one by selecting it from the Menu [press F8

| > repeatedly

| > during boot]

| > Detlog.txt - detection log

| > Netlog.txt - network detection

| > Setuplog.txt - setup information created during installation

| > Detcrash.log - detection crash log - obvious

| >

| > Trying to start in SAFE Mode might let you diagnose issues which may be

| > affecting the normal startup. Rapidly tap F8 during bootup, choose it

from

| > the Menu.

| > MSInfo might provide you with the machine history that might provide

| > additional clues. Checking Device Manager while in Safe Mode, delete any

| > devices that are not still included in the system.

| > ASD [automatic skip driver agent] also might be of interest or use.

| >

| > You also might want to check for corruption of the registry by running

| > scanreg /fix at the DOS prompt..

| >

| > --

| > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

| > --

| > _________

| >

| > "schmenge" <schmenge@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

| > news:88945D34-0E13-4603-88B6-08A30194B0E3@microsoft.com...

| > | Every time I try to boot my computer, I get the message that it's

| > "preparing

| > | to run windows for the first time". I go through that process and let

| > it

| > | detect devices and install drivers, but when I restart I get the same

| > message

| > | again and must repeat the detection process. I remember from a while

| > back

| > | that setup makes some changes to some boot files to reflect that it is

| > first

| > | boot, but I can't recall which files. Can anyone help with this

issue?

| > It's

| > | Windows 98 SE, and the computer was given to me by a previous owner;

he

| > used

| > | it for business and removed all his files then gave me the box.

| > |

| > | Thanks in advance.

| >

|

May 14, 2008

Re: win98 se startup issues

Laptop or box (can't juggle so good these days), it's an "unknown" mess,

with lots of possible problems beyond those covered by your suggestions. If

you want to focus on the problem as presented, fine, but OP *should* start

completely over, starting with investigating make/model for anything

pertinent. If it's a standard "whitebox" with a standard installation CD, it

should be repartitioned. All hardware should be identified and drivers

located. If the problem repeats, at least one is operating from a known

environment. At *that* time I would start looking into your log files, etc.,

but until then, it's a near probable waste of time.

Of course, my guess is that OP is Dan and the whole case is a fantasy

hatched from whole cloth. He's good at that and he's being particularly

squirrelly. Haven't seen him play this cat & mouse game more than just a

little bit in the past. By now he's usually posting long stories under his

real name.

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://www.grystmill.com

"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:OM2Ez$XtIHA.4076@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> setuplog.txt can perform two functions to diagnose - the *date* would

> indicate whether it is recent or from some old installation and when - the

> failed issues contained within would be the devices which setup had issues

> with and tried to *avoid*... taken in conjunction with the other files

> there

> MAY be other indications of why it is stuck..

>

> The other files mentioned could also be useful, for the reason for their

> creation.

> *detlog.txt is created when new hardware is detected, OR present

> configuration is changed.

> *detcrashlog.txt MIGHT contain the failed hardware issue.

> *bootlog.txt would show problem devices or other

>

> Safe Mode, if accessible, could provide useful information, AND provide a

> method to remove any problem issues.

>

> What makes Gary think this is a laptop, "then gave me the box."

>

> IF you have no disks for "the box" we would need to know the make and

> model

> [proprietary or not], attached hardware, and any adapter cards. Also, what

> is the system trying to constantly install?.

>

> --

> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

> --

> _________

>

> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

> news:%23MK1xyWtIHA.4952@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> | AFAIK, that message only appears during installation of Windows 98.

> Since

> | you don't say you're stuck trying to reinstall Windows, I can only

> assume

> | the previous owner ran Setup. Perhaps even reformatted, first. So, we're

> | back to, "Do you have the installation CD?" And, yes, Don's advice is

> not

> | bad, but if you're dealing with someone else's abortion, I'd start

> | completely over, and if I'm going to do that, a security wipe makes

> sense

> to

> | do first, then reformat (or vice-versa.)

> |

> | And the problem, IIRC, is usually a royally failed hardware install,

> | suggesting wrong drivers, improper preparation for installation, and who

> | knows what other issues, depending on make and model of the system. Like

> it

> | might be that it can only be reinstalled using the proprietary Restore

> CD

> | but your boss didn't have the right one and tried a different one...

> |

> | What's the make/model of your laptop?

> |

> | --

> | Gary S. Terhune

> | MS-MVP Shell/User

> | http://www.grystmill.com

> |

> | "schmenge" <schmenge@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> | news:F7320C1C-4336-4948-998C-E4CD37CD5377@microsoft.com...

> | > Thank you, kind folks. The last 2 replies are more promising; I hate

> to

> | > re-install unless there are no options.

> | >

> | > "MEB" wrote:

> | >

> | >> Check autoexec.bat, config.sys, msdos.sys, and check for

> setuplog.txt.

> | >>

> | >> Files which might be indicative:

> | >> Bootlog.txt - create one by selecting it from the Menu [press F8

> | >> repeatedly

> | >> during boot]

> | >> Detlog.txt - detection log

> | >> Netlog.txt - network detection

> | >> Setuplog.txt - setup information created during installation

> | >> Detcrash.log - detection crash log - obvious

> | >>

> | >> Trying to start in SAFE Mode might let you diagnose issues which may

> be

> | >> affecting the normal startup. Rapidly tap F8 during bootup, choose it

> | >> from

> | >> the Menu.

> | >> MSInfo might provide you with the machine history that might provide

> | >> additional clues. Checking Device Manager while in Safe Mode, delete

> any

> | >> devices that are not still included in the system.

> | >> ASD [automatic skip driver agent] also might be of interest or use.

> | >>

> | >> You also might want to check for corruption of the registry by

> running

> | >> scanreg /fix at the DOS prompt..

> | >>

> | >> --

> | >> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

> | >> --

> | >> _________

> | >>

> | >> "schmenge" <schmenge@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> | >> news:88945D34-0E13-4603-88B6-08A30194B0E3@microsoft.com...

> | >> | Every time I try to boot my computer, I get the message that it's

> | >> "preparing

> | >> | to run windows for the first time". I go through that process and

> let

> | >> it

> | >> | detect devices and install drivers, but when I restart I get the

> same

> | >> message

> | >> | again and must repeat the detection process. I remember from a

> while

> | >> back

> | >> | that setup makes some changes to some boot files to reflect that it

> is

> | >> first

> | >> | boot, but I can't recall which files. Can anyone help with this

> issue?

> | >> It's

> | >> | Windows 98 SE, and the computer was given to me by a previous

> owner;

> he

> | >> used

> | >> | it for business and removed all his files then gave me the box.

> | >> |

> | >> | Thanks in advance.

> | >>

> |

>

May 14, 2008

Re: win98 se startup issues

Gary, it is not me.

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

> Psssst! I got another $20. I bet "schmenge" = "Dan".

>

> --

> Gary S. Terhune

> MS-MVP Shell/User

> http://www.grystmill.com

>

> "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> news:eBr789VtIHA.5096@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> > Check autoexec.bat, config.sys, msdos.sys, and check for setuplog.txt.

> >

> > Files which might be indicative:

> > Bootlog.txt - create one by selecting it from the Menu [press F8

> > repeatedly

> > during boot]

> > Detlog.txt - detection log

> > Netlog.txt - network detection

> > Setuplog.txt - setup information created during installation

> > Detcrash.log - detection crash log - obvious

> >

> > Trying to start in SAFE Mode might let you diagnose issues which may be

> > affecting the normal startup. Rapidly tap F8 during bootup, choose it from

> > the Menu.

> > MSInfo might provide you with the machine history that might provide

> > additional clues. Checking Device Manager while in Safe Mode, delete any

> > devices that are not still included in the system.

> > ASD [automatic skip driver agent] also might be of interest or use.

> >

> > You also might want to check for corruption of the registry by running

> > scanreg /fix at the DOS prompt..

> >

> > --

> > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

> > --

> > _________

> >

> > "schmenge" <schmenge@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> > news:88945D34-0E13-4603-88B6-08A30194B0E3@microsoft.com...

> > | Every time I try to boot my computer, I get the message that it's

> > "preparing

> > | to run windows for the first time". I go through that process and let

> > it

> > | detect devices and install drivers, but when I restart I get the same

> > message

> > | again and must repeat the detection process. I remember from a while

> > back

> > | that setup makes some changes to some boot files to reflect that it is

> > first

> > | boot, but I can't recall which files. Can anyone help with this issue?

> > It's

> > | Windows 98 SE, and the computer was given to me by a previous owner; he

> > used

> > | it for business and removed all his files then gave me the box.

> > |

> > | Thanks in advance.

> >

>

May 14, 2008

Re: win98 se startup issues

There's one serious problem with that, Dan. How am I supposed to believe

you? And if you ARE telling the truth this time, do you see how your

shenanigans might cause problems for other people posting here with real

problems? Have you ever heard of the boy who cried wolf? This thread has all

the hallmarks of a post from you. It has too many logical inconsistencies.

It sounds too much like you. So, after all your lying and pretending, how am

I supposed to believe you this time?

Post here under your real name, let those of us who want to share in your

fantasies do so, and those of us who don't want to download and store those

reams of stories can block you. Your life is your own, and I actually like

you, but the only advice I have for you, on any topic, is to go back on your

meds, or do whatever it is you're supposed to be doing instead of hiding in

here. Maybe that world is not really any fun, but you know you only get

worse when you hang out here.

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://www.grystmill.com

"Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:7ECC63B3-5BBD-4311-8420-4293990F91F1@microsoft.com...

> Gary, it is not me.

>

> "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

>

>> Psssst! I got another $20. I bet "schmenge" = "Dan".

>>

>> --

>> Gary S. Terhune

>> MS-MVP Shell/User

>> http://www.grystmill.com

>>

>> "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:eBr789VtIHA.5096@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>> > Check autoexec.bat, config.sys, msdos.sys, and check for setuplog.txt.

>> >

>> > Files which might be indicative:

>> > Bootlog.txt - create one by selecting it from the Menu [press F8

>> > repeatedly

>> > during boot]

>> > Detlog.txt - detection log

>> > Netlog.txt - network detection

>> > Setuplog.txt - setup information created during installation

>> > Detcrash.log - detection crash log - obvious

>> >

>> > Trying to start in SAFE Mode might let you diagnose issues which may be

>> > affecting the normal startup. Rapidly tap F8 during bootup, choose it

>> > from

>> > the Menu.

>> > MSInfo might provide you with the machine history that might provide

>> > additional clues. Checking Device Manager while in Safe Mode, delete

>> > any

>> > devices that are not still included in the system.

>> > ASD [automatic skip driver agent] also might be of interest or use.

>> >

>> > You also might want to check for corruption of the registry by running

>> > scanreg /fix at the DOS prompt..

>> >

>> > --

>> > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

>> > --

>> > _________

>> >

>> > "schmenge" <schmenge@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> > news:88945D34-0E13-4603-88B6-08A30194B0E3@microsoft.com...

>> > | Every time I try to boot my computer, I get the message that it's

>> > "preparing

>> > | to run windows for the first time". I go through that process and

>> > let

>> > it

>> > | detect devices and install drivers, but when I restart I get the same

>> > message

>> > | again and must repeat the detection process. I remember from a while

>> > back

>> > | that setup makes some changes to some boot files to reflect that it

>> > is

>> > first

>> > | boot, but I can't recall which files. Can anyone help with this

>> > issue?

>> > It's

>> > | Windows 98 SE, and the computer was given to me by a previous owner;

>> > he

>> > used

>> > | it for business and removed all his files then gave me the box.

>> > |

>> > | Thanks in advance.

>> >

>>

May 14, 2008

Re: win98 se startup issues

<snip>

Thanks for the concern. I am doing well.

May 14, 2008

Re: win98 se startup issues

I don't believe you. I think you're sicker than usual. And since your only

contribution here is to be a lying sack of crap, I'm beginning to think that

that's all you are. A lying sack of crap. A worthless lying sack of crap.

Wouldn't you rather be a human being?

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://www.grystmill.com

"Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:2978235B-36A8-4ECA-97E1-5EFA2681BA81@microsoft.com...

> <snip>

>

> Thanks for the concern. I am doing well.

May 14, 2008

Re: win98 se startup issues

Gary S. Terhune wrote:

> I don't believe you. I think you're sicker than usual. And since your

> only contribution here is to be a lying sack of crap, I'm beginning

> to think that that's all you are. A lying sack of crap. A worthless

> lying sack of crap.

> Wouldn't you rather be a human being?

Is it safe to assume you don't much care for Dan/attilathehun1? :)

(Is there to be an attilathehun2?)

--

dadiOH

____________________________

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....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from

LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.

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May 14, 2008

Re: win98 se startup issues

How'd you guess? Was I clear enough? The SOB is a psychic vampire. (Since he

wants to insist he's well, I have to take him at his word. He's well, he's

just a total a**hole.)

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://www.grystmill.com

"dadiOH" <dadiOH@invalid.com> wrote in message

news:ewNN7%23dtIHA.1316@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

>> I don't believe you. I think you're sicker than usual. And since your

>> only contribution here is to be a lying sack of crap, I'm beginning

>> to think that that's all you are. A lying sack of crap. A worthless

>> lying sack of crap.

>> Wouldn't you rather be a human being?

>

> Is it safe to assume you don't much care for Dan/attilathehun1? :)

>

> (Is there to be an attilathehun2?)

>

> --

>

> dadiOH

> ____________________________

>

> dadiOH's dandies v3.06...

> ...a help file of info about MP3s, recording from

> LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.

> Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico

>

May 26, 2008

Re: win98 se startup issues

> 2. Prepare to reformat and reinstal from scratch from

> your Win98SE system CD. Good advice is at

> http://home.satx.rr.com/badour/html/w98_restore.html

While I feel and know that good advice was given in your post, I find the page at rons site to be

way too complicated for a newbie, or a 1+ newbie or a 2+ newbie and etc.

I myself do good housekeeping, and make a point of understanding as much as I can,, and have also

been a 98se user for 6yrs, but there is no way I myself would go into the registry with one eye

blind and a patch on the other.

My point being, rons page gives no description whatsoever on how to do the things he suggests. At

this point, a newbie would have stuffed up his/her computer by following the advice on that page.

Sure, it is simple to ron, and simple to you,, buuuuuut.

Below is an extract from rons page, advice offered to ppl who havent got a clue what he is talking

about:::::

"Saving OE5 Newsgroup Data and Email. Copy the Outlook Express folder that contains the .dbx files.

Locate the Address Book folder and copy it. Finally, export these four registry keys:"

Can you see anywhere where it says how easy this is to do for a newbie?

(btw, to get to the .dbx files, many folders have to be drilled through,, something he didnt

mention.; yet another thing to confuse newbies)

Is there any mention at all on how to "export" registry keys? is there any offering of how to

even get to these keys?

Is there any warning at all on that page of messing in the registry?

Rons page is very dangerous to newbs.

Am merely pointing out what is a not so good link to offer to a newbie,,,,

May 27, 2008

Re: win98 se startup issues

"Gary S. Terhune"

> How'd you guess? Was I clear enough? The SOB is a psychic vampire. (Since he

> wants to insist he's well, I have to take him at his word. He's well, he's

> just a total a**hole.)

silly boy, there are 3 ***'s, you should know that well.

poor ol' dan, cops it awl dont he. (hows ya brother dan? has he finished killing humans yet?)

on the topic of 'humans',, lots seem to be hyprocrites, dont they.

noted that you referred (or de-ferred) to 'human' in your post.... funny thing is, u is of da human

race, dick n' all.

but real funny thing is, i remember a post here where you made it clear that you dont believe in a

god, (which equates to you only answering to yourself), yet you married your bride via a preacher

and in the sight of god and also mumbled words to the preacher when he asked you certain

questions...... correct?? dont be shy gary, answer the question, your bride would be

proud to know that you confessed your love to her to an ambassador of christ,,, and to every one

who reads n/g's. (you may get lucky tonite.)

you also have been to friends weddings, all of which have a christian theme, you also have been to a

funeral, of which an ambassador of christ proceeded over........ and no doubt have been to many

and various christian functions.....

so, point is, how can you call Dan all sorts of names, including sub-human, when you yourself are a

hypocrite of extreme size.

would you care to make public and clear via this n/g and its readers, whether or whether not you

believe that god created you and this planet and all things known and those that cant be known to a

man?

do you, or do you not acknowledge a god, do your wedding vowels to your wife mean anything, or were

they just words of convenience?

is late, night gary.

May 27, 2008

Re: win98 se startup issues

What flavor lunatic are you? Friend of Dan's? Except Dan would never use

religion to put down someone else. Anyway, you have the facts all wrong,

every one of them. Go pray some more until you get it right. Should keep you

busy until it's time to meet your maker (as if!)

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://www.grystmill.com

"jane" <pam@gst.com> wrote in message

news:erSbxj$vIHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>

> "Gary S. Terhune"

>> How'd you guess? Was I clear enough? The SOB is a psychic vampire. (Since

>> he

>> wants to insist he's well, I have to take him at his word. He's well,

>> he's

>> just a total a**hole.)

>

> silly boy, there are 3 ***'s, you should know that well.

> poor ol' dan, cops it awl dont he. (hows ya brother dan? has he finished

> killing humans yet?)

> on the topic of 'humans',, lots seem to be hyprocrites, dont they.

> noted that you referred (or de-ferred) to 'human' in your post.... funny

> thing is, u is of da human

> race, dick n' all.

> but real funny thing is, i remember a post here where you made it clear

> that you dont believe in a

> god, (which equates to you only answering to yourself), yet you married

> your bride via a preacher

> and in the sight of god and also mumbled words to the preacher when he

> asked you certain

> questions...... correct?? dont be shy gary, answer the

> question, your bride would be

> proud to know that you confessed your love to her to an ambassador of

> christ,,, and to every one

> who reads n/g's. (you may get lucky tonite.)

> you also have been to friends weddings, all of which have a christian

> theme, you also have been to a

> funeral, of which an ambassador of christ proceeded over........ and

> no doubt have been to many

> and various christian functions.....

> so, point is, how can you call Dan all sorts of names, including

> sub-human, when you yourself are a

> hypocrite of extreme size.

> would you care to make public and clear via this n/g and its readers,

> whether or whether not you

> believe that god created you and this planet and all things known and

> those that cant be known to a

> man?

> do you, or do you not acknowledge a god, do your wedding vowels to your

> wife mean anything, or were

> they just words of convenience?

>

> is late, night gary.

>

May 27, 2008

Re: win98 se startup issues

Let me pop in with my OT thoughts...

Religion [all of them] are creations of man, created by men wishing to

control those around them, used to attempt to explain issues which men

during those time periods were unable to answer, EACH written by MEN who

were supposedly directed by some GOD entity to do so.

Religions are PERSONAL choices. The oldest, the first sets of LAWS man

created for themselves.

Whatever caused the creation of the universe and other, it is doubtful that

whatever did gives a hoot whether insignificant man bows to it, prays to it,

or even is concerned with or about it. Reading ANY of the tomes associated

with these religions leaves VAST amounts of conflicting and un-answered

questions. EVERYONE of them reverts to "you must have faith" as the final

answer, which means you must blindly TRUST without concern, unthinkingly

BELIEVE without answers, and generally limit yourself to those and other

failings ...

Marriage is a creation of man, defined by Laws created by men, and fostered

within the religions to further their directions. Mankind SHOULD be able to

respect others of mankind WITHOUT marriage or religion, the statute Law and

religious Law require otherwise.

So unless you want me to place a request YOU PROVE with clear and

convincing evidence of the existence of YOUR particular GOD {which you can't

do}, then I would suggest you keep these OT ramblings in another group.

Thanks.

--

MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

--

_________

"jane" <pam@gst.com> wrote in message

news:erSbxj$vIHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

|

| "Gary S. Terhune"

| > How'd you guess? Was I clear enough? The SOB is a psychic vampire.

(Since he

| > wants to insist he's well, I have to take him at his word. He's well,

he's

| > just a total a**hole.)

|

| silly boy, there are 3 ***'s, you should know that well.

| poor ol' dan, cops it awl dont he. (hows ya brother dan? has he finished

killing humans yet?)

| on the topic of 'humans',, lots seem to be hyprocrites, dont they.

| noted that you referred (or de-ferred) to 'human' in your post.... funny

thing is, u is of da human

| race, dick n' all.

| but real funny thing is, i remember a post here where you made it clear

that you dont believe in a

| god, (which equates to you only answering to yourself), yet you married

your bride via a preacher

| and in the sight of god and also mumbled words to the preacher when he

asked you certain

| questions...... correct?? dont be shy gary, answer the

question, your bride would be

| proud to know that you confessed your love to her to an ambassador of

christ,,, and to every one

| who reads n/g's. (you may get lucky tonite.)

| you also have been to friends weddings, all of which have a christian

theme, you also have been to a

| funeral, of which an ambassador of christ proceeded over........ and

no doubt have been to many

| and various christian functions.....

| so, point is, how can you call Dan all sorts of names, including

sub-human, when you yourself are a

| hypocrite of extreme size.

| would you care to make public and clear via this n/g and its readers,

whether or whether not you

| believe that god created you and this planet and all things known and

those that cant be known to a

| man?

| do you, or do you not acknowledge a god, do your wedding vowels to your

wife mean anything, or were

| they just words of convenience?

|

| is late, night gary.

|

May 29, 2008

Re: win98 se startup issues

Ahhh... I see that you're really Imemine. I knew you were off-kilter. Must

be why I felt so bad apologizing to you. And, having noted that, I have to

wonder if you aren't really Dan and your situation isn't getting worse. In

that case, the diagnosis would be more like MPD, or whatever they call it

these days. I hope not. I meant it when I said I liked Dan.

That or you're just a lunatic on your own account. Or somebody's account,

anyway. Imemine, jane, whoever... "." or 98 Guy, who knows. Lying sacks of

excrement, every one of you. Except that "lunatic" is to nice a word. The

correct word would be an insult to any true lunatic. It would also prevent

this post from going through.

What's the matter, didn't like my last post to Imemine?

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://www.grystmill.com

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

news:Oh7E4MBwIHA.1240@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> What flavor lunatic are you? Friend of Dan's? Except Dan would never use

> religion to put down someone else. Anyway, you have the facts all wrong,

> every one of them. Go pray some more until you get it right. Should keep

> you busy until it's time to meet your maker (as if!)

>

> --

> Gary S. Terhune

> MS-MVP Shell/User

> http://www.grystmill.com

>

> "jane" <pam@gst.com> wrote in message

> news:erSbxj$vIHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>

>> "Gary S. Terhune"

>>> How'd you guess? Was I clear enough? The SOB is a psychic vampire.

>>> (Since he

>>> wants to insist he's well, I have to take him at his word. He's well,

>>> he's

>>> just a total a**hole.)

>>

>> silly boy, there are 3 ***'s, you should know that well.

>> poor ol' dan, cops it awl dont he. (hows ya brother dan? has he finished

>> killing humans yet?)

>> on the topic of 'humans',, lots seem to be hyprocrites, dont they.

>> noted that you referred (or de-ferred) to 'human' in your post.... funny

>> thing is, u is of da human

>> race, dick n' all.

>> but real funny thing is, i remember a post here where you made it clear

>> that you dont believe in a

>> god, (which equates to you only answering to yourself), yet you married

>> your bride via a preacher

>> and in the sight of god and also mumbled words to the preacher when he

>> asked you certain

>> questions...... correct?? dont be shy gary, answer the

>> question, your bride would be

>> proud to know that you confessed your love to her to an ambassador of

>> christ,,, and to every one

>> who reads n/g's. (you may get lucky tonite.)

>> you also have been to friends weddings, all of which have a christian

>> theme, you also have been to a

>> funeral, of which an ambassador of christ proceeded over........ and

>> no doubt have been to many

>> and various christian functions.....

>> so, point is, how can you call Dan all sorts of names, including

>> sub-human, when you yourself are a

>> hypocrite of extreme size.

>> would you care to make public and clear via this n/g and its readers,

>> whether or whether not you

>> believe that god created you and this planet and all things known and

>> those that cant be known to a

>> man?

>> do you, or do you not acknowledge a god, do your wedding vowels to your

>> wife mean anything, or were

>> they just words of convenience?

>>

>> is late, night gary.

>>

>

June 2, 2008

Re: win98 se startup issues

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message news:u1kRbeWwIHA.552@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> Ahhh... I see that you're really Imemine. I knew you were off-kilter.

gary, my dear friend, you see nothing... your eyes have been blinded a long time ago,,,, but it

was through 'choice', and you chose.

Must

> be why I felt so bad apologizing to you. And, having noted that, I have to

> wonder if you aren't really Dan and your situation isn't getting worse.

summon all the doctors you like, but doctors are only ppl who learn about the humanics of a human

just like you have learned heaps about puters....

In

> that case, the diagnosis would be more like MPD, or whatever they call it

> these days. I hope not.

beats me gst,,, so many names, so many acronyms nowadays,,, all in the name of making a human

betta..... but a human will never be betta til he finds the link twixt him/her self and the

creator,,,,, its what burdens every human everyday,, whether they realise it or not.

I meant it when I said I liked Dan.

and so you should,,,, goodness, he licked and licked forever just trying to get you to pat him

once.

>

> That or you're just a lunatic on your own account. Or somebody's account,

> anyway. Imemine, jane, whoever... "." or 98 Guy, who knows. Lying sacks of

> excrement, every one of you.

see, this is zactly what i mean about you.... when you dont understand something, you choose to

insult it or shoot it... a very typical american attitude as has been portrayed in movies (made

in merica) for over 60yrs.... whereby if an merican sees a space ship land in his backyard, his

first instinct is to grab his gun!!!!!!! pretty pathetic way of dealing with things if you ask

me.

Except that "lunatic" is to nice a word. The

> correct word would be an insult to any true lunatic. It would also prevent

> this post from going through.

well, thats a shame isnt it gst,,,, you dont get to vent your arrogance due to your respect to the

a company called micro..... but, you have no problem at all glaring and snarling at a mere man

whose only charge was to come help you help yourself,, he even died trying to help you.

>

> What's the matter, didn't like my last post to Imemine?

ohmygod...... forgot about that group.... sorry bud, havent been back since i did Exactly

what i said should have been done..... and it worked perfectly. so there ya go,,, you got

the imemine answer here, and the problem got solved in a simplistic way.

as for your comment(s) about Religion,,,,,,, you are sooooooooo far offa the beaten

track.

catholics are religion, buddists are religion, mormons are religion, anglicans are religion......

but followers of christ who did what he said re: recieving the holy ghost, that got 'zilch, zero,

nada, ' to do with religion..... in fact, i challenge you as a smart person and as an academic

person, to show me where 'religion' is mentioned in the book of life? surely you can back up

your statement.

also, care to share with us all whether or whether not you got married inna church? with a

'minister' (ha ha,,, bluddy religion again) presiding? and when that guy from this group died,

did you attend a funeral? have you ever attended a funeral? if so, was it presided over by

some sort of rep' of christ/god?

maybe now you see what i mean by hypocrite,,,, if you dont, then you are simply dumb.

>

> --

> Gary S. Terhune

> MS-MVP Shell/User

> http://www.grystmill.com

>

> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

> news:Oh7E4MBwIHA.1240@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> > What flavor lunatic are you? Friend of Dan's? Except Dan would never use

> > religion to put down someone else. Anyway, you have the facts all wrong,

> > every one of them. Go pray some more until you get it right. Should keep

> > you busy until it's time to meet your maker (as if!)

> >

> > --

> > Gary S. Terhune

> > MS-MVP Shell/User

> > http://www.grystmill.com

> >

> > "jane" <pam@gst.com> wrote in message

> > news:erSbxj$vIHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> >>

> >> "Gary S. Terhune"

> >>> How'd you guess? Was I clear enough? The SOB is a psychic vampire.

> >>> (Since he

> >>> wants to insist he's well, I have to take him at his word. He's well,

> >>> he's

> >>> just a total a**hole.)

> >>

> >> silly boy, there are 3 ***'s, you should know that well.

> >> poor ol' dan, cops it awl dont he. (hows ya brother dan? has he finished

> >> killing humans yet?)

> >> on the topic of 'humans',, lots seem to be hyprocrites, dont they.

> >> noted that you referred (or de-ferred) to 'human' in your post.... funny

> >> thing is, u is of da human

> >> race, dick n' all.

> >> but real funny thing is, i remember a post here where you made it clear

> >> that you dont believe in a

> >> god, (which equates to you only answering to yourself), yet you married

> >> your bride via a preacher

> >> and in the sight of god and also mumbled words to the preacher when he

> >> asked you certain

> >> questions...... correct?? dont be shy gary, answer the

> >> question, your bride would be

> >> proud to know that you confessed your love to her to an ambassador of

> >> christ,,, and to every one

> >> who reads n/g's. (you may get lucky tonite.)

> >> you also have been to friends weddings, all of which have a christian

> >> theme, you also have been to a

> >> funeral, of which an ambassador of christ proceeded over........ and

> >> no doubt have been to many

> >> and various christian functions.....

> >> so, point is, how can you call Dan all sorts of names, including

> >> sub-human, when you yourself are a

> >> hypocrite of extreme size.

> >> would you care to make public and clear via this n/g and its readers,

> >> whether or whether not you

> >> believe that god created you and this planet and all things known and

> >> those that cant be known to a

> >> man?

> >> do you, or do you not acknowledge a god, do your wedding vowels to your

> >> wife mean anything, or were

> >> they just words of convenience?

> >>

> >> is late, night gary.

> >>

> >

>

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