Re: Help w/ hooking up 2 computers to a modem

[Guest Industrial One]

Re: Help w/ hooking up 2 computers to a modem

 

On May 14, 1:31 am, Andy <1...@2.3> wrote:

> Does the modem have a router in it?

 

No.

[Guest Andy]

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On Wed, 14 May 2008 00:55:31 -0700 (PDT), Industrial One

<industrial_one@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On May 14, 1:31 am, Andy <1...@2.3> wrote:

>> Does the modem have a router in it?

>

>No.

 

You need one. Otherwise you have to use something like Windows XP

Internet Connection Sharing (ICS).

[Guest Industrial One]

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On May 14, 4:07 am, Andy <1...@2.3> wrote:

> On Wed, 14 May 2008 00:55:31 -0700 (PDT), Industrial One

>

> <industrial_...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> >On May 14, 1:31 am, Andy <1...@2.3> wrote:

> >> Does the modem have a router in it?

>

> >No.

>

> You need one. Otherwise you have to use something like Windows XP

> Internet Connection Sharing (ICS).

 

Wise cracks aside, lemme know if I understand correctly: a modem and a

router are interchangable. Technically a modem is a dumb device that

only accepts and forwards connections, a router is a computer itself

that manages the connections/packets more intelligently. I believe my

modem, is a genuine router. Let me know how I can verify it.

[Guest Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]]

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Industrial One <industrial_one@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On May 14, 4:07 am, Andy <1...@2.3> wrote:

>> On Wed, 14 May 2008 00:55:31 -0700 (PDT), Industrial One

>>

>> <industrial_...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>>> On May 14, 1:31 am, Andy <1...@2.3> wrote:

>>>> Does the modem have a router in it?

>>

>>> No.

>>

>> You need one. Otherwise you have to use something like Windows XP

>> Internet Connection Sharing (ICS).

>

> Wise cracks aside,

 

Hmmm. I didn't notice any wisecracking. But pardon my rudely jumping in.....

> lemme know if I understand correctly: a modem and a

> router are interchangable.

 

Nope...

> Technically a modem is a dumb device that

> only accepts and forwards connections,

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modem

>a router is a computer itself

> that manages the connections/packets more intelligently.

 

It can be a cheap & cheerful hardware appliance, and in the context here,

likely is a simple NetGear, Linksys, D-Link device. See

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Router for a definition of routers in general.

Note that in the home/small office context, what you may see labeled as a

"router" is not actually a router at all, but rather a simple gateway device

that allows you to share one internet connection amongst several devices on

a LAN, doing NAT (network address translation).

 

Your network would be configured something like this:

 

[DSL/cable connection]

|

[modem (usually ISP's)]

|

[router - WAN IP, xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx or configured via DHCP from the

modem

and LAN IP, such as 192.168.0.1/24]

|

|--- integrated or separate Ethernet switch----|

| | | |

workstations (using 192.168.0.0/24 network)

 

The "router" here should also have some firewall capabilities.

> I believe my

> modem, is a genuine router. Let me know how I can verify it.

 

Not likely to be a true router, but I suppose it's possible it could be a

gateway appliance. You'd have to look it up.

[Guest Bob I]

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Industrial One wrote:

> On May 14, 4:07 am, Andy <1...@2.3> wrote:

>

>>On Wed, 14 May 2008 00:55:31 -0700 (PDT), Industrial One

>>

>><industrial_...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>>

>>>On May 14, 1:31 am, Andy <1...@2.3> wrote:

>>>

>>>>Does the modem have a router in it?

>>

>>>No.

>>

>>You need one. Otherwise you have to use something like Windows XP

>>Internet Connection Sharing (ICS).

>

>

> Wise cracks aside, lemme know if I understand correctly: a modem and a

> router are interchangable. Technically a modem is a dumb device that

> only accepts and forwards connections, a router is a computer itself

> that manages the connections/packets more intelligently. I believe my

> modem, is a genuine router. Let me know how I can verify it.

 

Review examples,

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=modem+router

[Guest smlunatick]

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Most "high speed" Internet service modems are "bridging" devices and that is

all. The Internet service will be assigning an IP to the PC's connection to

the modem.

 

 

 

On 14/05/2008 Industrial One <industrial_one@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On May 14, 4:07 am, Andy <1...@2.3> wrote:

>> On Wed, 14 May 2008 00:55:31 -0700 (PDT), Industrial One

>>

>> <industrial_...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>> >On May 14, 1:31 am, Andy <1...@2.3> wrote:

>> >> Does the modem have a router in it?

>>

>> >No.

>>

>> You need one. Otherwise you have to use something like Windows XP

>> Internet Connection Sharing (ICS).

>

>Wise cracks aside, lemme know if I understand correctly: a modem and a

>router are interchangable. Technically a modem is a dumb device that

>only accepts and forwards connections, a router is a computer itself

>that manages the connections/packets more intelligently. I believe my

>modem, is a genuine router. Let me know how I can verify it.

[Guest Jack \(MVP-Networking\).]

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Re: Help w/ hooking up 2 computers to a modem

 

Hi

Check the computer IP while connected to the Internet.

If the IP is of the 198.168.xxx.xxx (or any other of the private subnets,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mancini/Subnetwork#Subnets_and_host_count

) then it is a Modem/Router combo.

Jack (MVP-Networking).

 

"Industrial One" <industrial_one@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:978607f7-ded2-453d-8910-908537fb51ed@u12g2000prd.googlegroups.com...

> On May 14, 1:31 am, Andy <1...@2.3> wrote:

>> Does the modem have a router in it?

>

> No.

[Guest Ken Blake, MVP]

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On Wed, 14 May 2008 03:20:31 -0700 (PDT), Industrial One

<industrial_one@hotmail.com> wrote:

 

> Wise cracks aside, lemme know if I understand correctly: a modem and a

> router are interchangable.

 

 

No.

 

> Technically a modem is a dumb device that

> only accepts and forwards connections,

 

 

No.

 

The term "modem" is short for "modulator-demodulator." Technically,

it's a device that converts the analog signal on the telephone line to

the digital signal needed by a computer, and vice-versa. Technically,

any device that doesn't do that analog to digital conversion is not a

modem (but see below).

 

 

> a router is a computer itself

> that manages the connections/packets more intelligently. I believe my

> modem, is a genuine router. Let me know how I can verify it.

 

 

A router is a networking device. It's one type of device that permits

you to send data from one computer on your network to another computer

on the network. Note that a router has nothing to do with connecting

to the phone line (or cable service). As a matter of fact, by itself,

it has nothing to do with the internet at all.

 

A device that connects to a high-speed internet connection is properly

called a "gateway," not a modem, because that high-speed internet

connection is digital to begin with. So there's no analog to digital

conversion, no modulating or demodulating is required, and the term

"modem" is technically inappropriate.

 

However, the difference between a modem and a gateway is not widely

known, and the term "modem" is widely used for both types of devices.

Some people strenuously object to this usage, because it's not

technically correct. My personal feeling is that, leaving aside the

analog to digital conversion issue, both devices do essentially the

same thing--they connect a computer (or network) to the internet.

Since there is no term that is really correct for any device that

connects a computer to the internet, and since the term "modem" is so

widely used for this, I think insisting that a gateway not be

called a modem is just rigid and inflexible. Despite the original

meaning of the term, for all practical purposes, calling that DSL or

cable device on your desk a "modem" is far and away the best thing to

do. Like so many English words, the word "modem" has changed its

meaning over time.

 

A router by itself doesn't connect to the internet. If you have a

device that does, it's a combination of a router and a DSL modem in a

single box.

 

Such combination boxes are becoming more common, but some of us have

individual boxes. In my home, I have a separate cable modem and a

router.

 

 

--

Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

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[Guest Industrial One]

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On May 14, 9:33 am, "Jack \(MVP-Networking\)."

<j...@discussiongroup.com> wrote:

> Hi

> Check the computer IP while connected to the Internet.

> If the IP is of the 198.168.xxx.xxx (or any other of the private subnets,http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mancini/Subnetwork#Subnets_and_host...

> ) then it is a Modem/Router combo.

> Jack (MVP-Networking).

>

> "Industrial One" <industrial_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

>

> news:978607f7-ded2-453d-8910-908537fb51ed@u12g2000prd.googlegroups.com...

>

> > On May 14, 1:31 am, Andy <1...@2.3> wrote:

> >> Does the modem have a router in it?

>

> > No.

 

There is no IP, just blank. 'Said it failed to obtain the IP address.

[Guest Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]]

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Industrial One <industrial_one@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On May 14, 9:33 am, "Jack \(MVP-Networking\)."

> <j...@discussiongroup.com> wrote:

>> Hi

>> Check the computer IP while connected to the Internet.

>> If the IP is of the 198.168.xxx.xxx (or any other of the private

>> subnets,http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mancini/Subnetwork#Subnets_and_host...

>> ) then it is a Modem/Router combo.

>> Jack (MVP-Networking).

>>

>> "Industrial One" <industrial_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

>>

>> news:978607f7-ded2-453d-8910-908537fb51ed@u12g2000prd.googlegroups.com...

>>

>>> On May 14, 1:31 am, Andy <1...@2.3> wrote:

>>>> Does the modem have a router in it?

>>

>>> No.

>

> There is no IP, just blank. 'Said it failed to obtain the IP address.

 

Please review the myriad, detailed replies you've already got in this

thread....

[Guest Industrial One]

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On May 14, 10:22 am, "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"

<lanwe...@heybuddy.donotsendme.unsolicitedmailatyahoo.com> wrote:

> Industrial One <industrial_...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> > On May 14, 9:33 am, "Jack \(MVP-Networking\)."

> > <j...@discussiongroup.com> wrote:

> >> Hi

> >> Check the computer IP while connected to the Internet.

> >> If the IP is of the 198.168.xxx.xxx (or any other of the private

> >> subnets,http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mancini/Subnetwork#Subnets_and_host...

> >> ) then it is a Modem/Router combo.

> >> Jack (MVP-Networking).

>

> >> "Industrial One" <industrial_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

>

> >>news:978607f7-ded2-453d-8910-908537fb51ed@u12g2000prd.googlegroups.com...

>

> >>> On May 14, 1:31 am, Andy <1...@2.3> wrote:

> >>>> Does the modem have a router in it?

>

> >>> No.

>

> > There is no IP, just blank. 'Said it failed to obtain the IP address.

>

> Please review the myriad, detailed replies you've already got in this

> thread....

 

Oh, didnt see that post above yours.