win xp sp3

May 14, 2008

Just wondering, is sp3 eating up all my ram or not. Since windows updated

it to my pc, The pc is painfully slow, (like 6 minutes to reach my desktop,

or is somthing else going on. On my disk space I still have 84% available.

The ram I have is just 520 mg, so this might the problem? Any advice

Thank you in advance Larry

May 14, 2008

Re: win xp sp3

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Windows XP, but only for Service Pack 3 (SP3), until 14 Apr-09. Chat and

e-mail support is available only in the United States and Canada.

• US:

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• Other: http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?gprid=1173 | select

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--

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Larry wrote:

> Just wondering, is sp3 eating up all my ram or not. Since windows

> updated

> it to my pc, The pc is painfully slow, (like 6 minutes to reach my

> desktop,

> or is somthing else going on. On my disk space I still have 84%

> available.

> The ram I have is just 520 mg, so this might the problem? Any advice

> Thank you in advance Larry

May 14, 2008

Re: win xp sp3

520MB?!! Don't even think about it with less than 2GB

"Larry" <Larry@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:2EBB2D16-7A92-412C-AF54-01F660D0E70B@microsoft.com...

> Just wondering, is sp3 eating up all my ram or not. Since windows

> updated

> it to my pc, The pc is painfully slow, (like 6 minutes to reach my

> desktop,

> or is somthing else going on. On my disk space I still have 84%

> available.

> The ram I have is just 520 mg, so this might the problem? Any advice

> Thank you in advance Larry

May 14, 2008

Re: win xp sp3

Horse Hockey!!!

"Mike" <mike@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:%23eAwFtdtIHA.548@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

: 520MB?!! Don't even think about it with less than 2GB

:

May 14, 2008

Re: win xp sp3

On Wed, 14 May 2008 08:47:03 -0700, Larry

<Larry@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> Just wondering, is sp3 eating up all my ram or not. Since windows updated

> it to my pc, The pc is painfully slow, (like 6 minutes to reach my desktop,

> or is somthing else going on. On my disk space I still have 84% available.

> The ram I have is just 520 mg, so this might the problem?

Several points:

1. Wanting to minimize the amount of memory Windows uses is a

counterproductive desire. Windows is designed to use all, or most, of

your memory, all the time, and that's good not bad. Free memory is

wasted memory. You paid for it all and shouldn't want to see any of it

wasted.

Windows works hard to find a use for all the memory you have all the

time. For example if your apps don't need some of it, it will use that

part for caching, then give it back when your apps later need it. In

this way Windows keeps all your memory working for you all the time.

2. Is the computer just slow to boot, or is it also slow after

booting?

3. You say "The ram I have is just 520 mg." I assume you mean 512MB.

For most people, that's fine. How much RAM you need for good

performance is *not* a one-size-fits-all situation. You get good

performance if the amount of RAM you have keeps you from using the

page file, and that depends on what apps you run. Most people running

a typical range of business applications find that somewhere around

256-384MB works well, others need 512MB.

--

Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

Please Reply to the Newsgroup

May 14, 2008

Re: win xp sp3

Hello Ken Blake I appoligize, yes I ment 512 mb of ram. The pc is slow

to boot and open apps. as well. I use the disk cleaner each day I defrag

every day. I have software called advanced windows care v-2 personnal I use

each day, along with it's memory cleaner. A couple of weeks ago I downloaded

AVG 8.0 free, ran the scan and after an hour the results was 24568 warnings

of possible infections. I used the clean button to remove all of these, don't

know if that was the right thing to do. My pc's software is nothing all that

spectacular, Quicken 2005, Openoffice 2.4, Mozillia Firefox, Broderbund, ( a

will making app.) and family search ( a geneology app.) Thats about all I

use. So I don't know what is going on. If it help's my disk space is 37 gb

with 84% free Larry

"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

> On Wed, 14 May 2008 08:47:03 -0700, Larry

> <Larry@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>

> > Just wondering, is sp3 eating up all my ram or not. Since windows updated

> > it to my pc, The pc is painfully slow, (like 6 minutes to reach my desktop,

> > or is somthing else going on. On my disk space I still have 84% available.

> > The ram I have is just 520 mg, so this might the problem?

>

> Several points:

>

> 1. Wanting to minimize the amount of memory Windows uses is a

> counterproductive desire. Windows is designed to use all, or most, of

> your memory, all the time, and that's good not bad. Free memory is

> wasted memory. You paid for it all and shouldn't want to see any of it

> wasted.

>

> Windows works hard to find a use for all the memory you have all the

> time. For example if your apps don't need some of it, it will use that

> part for caching, then give it back when your apps later need it. In

> this way Windows keeps all your memory working for you all the time.

>

> 2. Is the computer just slow to boot, or is it also slow after

> booting?

>

> 3. You say "The ram I have is just 520 mg." I assume you mean 512MB.

> For most people, that's fine. How much RAM you need for good

> performance is *not* a one-size-fits-all situation. You get good

> performance if the amount of RAM you have keeps you from using the

> page file, and that depends on what apps you run. Most people running

> a typical range of business applications find that somewhere around

> 256-384MB works well, others need 512MB.

>

> --

> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

> Please Reply to the Newsgroup

>

May 14, 2008

Re: win xp sp3

On Wed, 14 May 2008 10:05:16 -0700, Larry

<Larry@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> Hello Ken Blake I appoligize, yes I ment 512 mb of ram. The pc is slow

> to boot and open apps. as well. I use the disk cleaner each day I defrag

> every day. I have software called advanced windows care v-2 personnal I use

> each day, along with it's memory cleaner. A couple of weeks ago I downloaded

> AVG 8.0 free, ran the scan and after an hour the results was 24568 warnings

> of possible infections.

That's an *enormous* number. If you were that badly infected, there's

an excellent chance that not everything was cleaned properly, and you

are still infected.

I'm usually very reluctant to recommend that someone reformat and

clean install, but with a system that badly compromised, that's likely

your best course.

> I used the clean button to remove all of these, don't

> know if that was the right thing to do. My pc's software is nothing all that

> spectacular, Quicken 2005, Openoffice 2.4, Mozillia Firefox, Broderbund, ( a

> will making app.) and family search ( a geneology app.) Thats about all I

> use. So I don't know what is going on. If it help's my disk space is 37 gb

> with 84% free Larry

>

> "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

>

> > On Wed, 14 May 2008 08:47:03 -0700, Larry

> > <Larry@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> >

> > > Just wondering, is sp3 eating up all my ram or not. Since windows updated

> > > it to my pc, The pc is painfully slow, (like 6 minutes to reach my desktop,

> > > or is somthing else going on. On my disk space I still have 84% available.

> > > The ram I have is just 520 mg, so this might the problem?

> >

> > Several points:

> >

> > 1. Wanting to minimize the amount of memory Windows uses is a

> > counterproductive desire. Windows is designed to use all, or most, of

> > your memory, all the time, and that's good not bad. Free memory is

> > wasted memory. You paid for it all and shouldn't want to see any of it

> > wasted.

> >

> > Windows works hard to find a use for all the memory you have all the

> > time. For example if your apps don't need some of it, it will use that

> > part for caching, then give it back when your apps later need it. In

> > this way Windows keeps all your memory working for you all the time.

> >

> > 2. Is the computer just slow to boot, or is it also slow after

> > booting?

> >

> > 3. You say "The ram I have is just 520 mg." I assume you mean 512MB.

> > For most people, that's fine. How much RAM you need for good

> > performance is *not* a one-size-fits-all situation. You get good

> > performance if the amount of RAM you have keeps you from using the

> > page file, and that depends on what apps you run. Most people running

> > a typical range of business applications find that somewhere around

> > 256-384MB works well, others need 512MB.

> >

> > --

> > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

> > Please Reply to the Newsgroup

> >

--

Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

Please Reply to the Newsgroup

May 14, 2008

Re: win xp sp3

Ken Those items that AVG picked up, Those were warnings of possably harmful

threats. Were these really viruses???????

"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

> On Wed, 14 May 2008 10:05:16 -0700, Larry

> <Larry@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>

> > Hello Ken Blake I appoligize, yes I ment 512 mb of ram. The pc is slow

> > to boot and open apps. as well. I use the disk cleaner each day I defrag

> > every day. I have software called advanced windows care v-2 personnal I use

> > each day, along with it's memory cleaner. A couple of weeks ago I downloaded

> > AVG 8.0 free, ran the scan and after an hour the results was 24568 warnings

> > of possible infections.

>

> That's an *enormous* number. If you were that badly infected, there's

> an excellent chance that not everything was cleaned properly, and you

> are still infected.

>

> I'm usually very reluctant to recommend that someone reformat and

> clean install, but with a system that badly compromised, that's likely

> your best course.

>

> > I used the clean button to remove all of these, don't

> > know if that was the right thing to do. My pc's software is nothing all that

> > spectacular, Quicken 2005, Openoffice 2.4, Mozillia Firefox, Broderbund, ( a

> > will making app.) and family search ( a geneology app.) Thats about all I

> > use. So I don't know what is going on. If it help's my disk space is 37 gb

> > with 84% free Larry

> >

> > "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

> >

> > > On Wed, 14 May 2008 08:47:03 -0700, Larry

> > > <Larry@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Just wondering, is sp3 eating up all my ram or not. Since windows updated

> > > > it to my pc, The pc is painfully slow, (like 6 minutes to reach my desktop,

> > > > or is somthing else going on. On my disk space I still have 84% available.

> > > > The ram I have is just 520 mg, so this might the problem?

> > >

> > > Several points:

> > >

> > > 1. Wanting to minimize the amount of memory Windows uses is a

> > > counterproductive desire. Windows is designed to use all, or most, of

> > > your memory, all the time, and that's good not bad. Free memory is

> > > wasted memory. You paid for it all and shouldn't want to see any of it

> > > wasted.

> > >

> > > Windows works hard to find a use for all the memory you have all the

> > > time. For example if your apps don't need some of it, it will use that

> > > part for caching, then give it back when your apps later need it. In

> > > this way Windows keeps all your memory working for you all the time.

> > >

> > > 2. Is the computer just slow to boot, or is it also slow after

> > > booting?

> > >

> > > 3. You say "The ram I have is just 520 mg." I assume you mean 512MB.

> > > For most people, that's fine. How much RAM you need for good

> > > performance is *not* a one-size-fits-all situation. You get good

> > > performance if the amount of RAM you have keeps you from using the

> > > page file, and that depends on what apps you run. Most people running

> > > a typical range of business applications find that somewhere around

> > > 256-384MB works well, others need 512MB.

> > >

> > > --

> > > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

> > > Please Reply to the Newsgroup

> > >

>

> --

> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

> Please Reply to the Newsgroup

>

May 15, 2008

Re: win xp sp3

Ken I also forget to mention that I did a hijackthis scan and sent the log

file to a web site called Tech Guys for their inspection, a little while ago,

this afternoon 5/14/08 Larry

"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

> On Wed, 14 May 2008 10:05:16 -0700, Larry

> <Larry@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>

> > Hello Ken Blake I appoligize, yes I ment 512 mb of ram. The pc is slow

> > to boot and open apps. as well. I use the disk cleaner each day I defrag

> > every day. I have software called advanced windows care v-2 personnal I use

> > each day, along with it's memory cleaner. A couple of weeks ago I downloaded

> > AVG 8.0 free, ran the scan and after an hour the results was 24568 warnings

> > of possible infections.

>

> That's an *enormous* number. If you were that badly infected, there's

> an excellent chance that not everything was cleaned properly, and you

> are still infected.

>

> I'm usually very reluctant to recommend that someone reformat and

> clean install, but with a system that badly compromised, that's likely

> your best course.

>

> > I used the clean button to remove all of these, don't

> > know if that was the right thing to do. My pc's software is nothing all that

> > spectacular, Quicken 2005, Openoffice 2.4, Mozillia Firefox, Broderbund, ( a

> > will making app.) and family search ( a geneology app.) Thats about all I

> > use. So I don't know what is going on. If it help's my disk space is 37 gb

> > with 84% free Larry

> >

> > "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

> >

> > > On Wed, 14 May 2008 08:47:03 -0700, Larry

> > > <Larry@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Just wondering, is sp3 eating up all my ram or not. Since windows updated

> > > > it to my pc, The pc is painfully slow, (like 6 minutes to reach my desktop,

> > > > or is somthing else going on. On my disk space I still have 84% available.

> > > > The ram I have is just 520 mg, so this might the problem?

> > >

> > > Several points:

> > >

> > > 1. Wanting to minimize the amount of memory Windows uses is a

> > > counterproductive desire. Windows is designed to use all, or most, of

> > > your memory, all the time, and that's good not bad. Free memory is

> > > wasted memory. You paid for it all and shouldn't want to see any of it

> > > wasted.

> > >

> > > Windows works hard to find a use for all the memory you have all the

> > > time. For example if your apps don't need some of it, it will use that

> > > part for caching, then give it back when your apps later need it. In

> > > this way Windows keeps all your memory working for you all the time.

> > >

> > > 2. Is the computer just slow to boot, or is it also slow after

> > > booting?

> > >

> > > 3. You say "The ram I have is just 520 mg." I assume you mean 512MB.

> > > For most people, that's fine. How much RAM you need for good

> > > performance is *not* a one-size-fits-all situation. You get good

> > > performance if the amount of RAM you have keeps you from using the

> > > page file, and that depends on what apps you run. Most people running

> > > a typical range of business applications find that somewhere around

> > > 256-384MB works well, others need 512MB.

> > >

> > > --

> > > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

> > > Please Reply to the Newsgroup

> > >

>

> --

> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

> Please Reply to the Newsgroup

>

May 15, 2008

Re: win xp sp3

On Wed, 14 May 2008 16:56:03 -0700, Larry

<Larry@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> Ken Those items that AVG picked up, Those were warnings of possably harmful

> threats. Were these really viruses???????

I haven't seen the report AVG generated, so I have no way of knowing

the answer to that question. Nevertheless that's an enormous number;

if 90% of them were false positives and only 10% were real, 245

infections is still an enormous number.

Do you remember anything about what they were? If they were all just

cookies, for example, I wouldn't worry about it. Most other things

should be taken seriously.

> "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

>

> > On Wed, 14 May 2008 10:05:16 -0700, Larry

> > <Larry@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> >

> > > Hello Ken Blake I appoligize, yes I ment 512 mb of ram. The pc is slow

> > > to boot and open apps. as well. I use the disk cleaner each day I defrag

> > > every day. I have software called advanced windows care v-2 personnal I use

> > > each day, along with it's memory cleaner. A couple of weeks ago I downloaded

> > > AVG 8.0 free, ran the scan and after an hour the results was 24568 warnings

> > > of possible infections.

> >

> > That's an *enormous* number. If you were that badly infected, there's

> > an excellent chance that not everything was cleaned properly, and you

> > are still infected.

> >

> > I'm usually very reluctant to recommend that someone reformat and

> > clean install, but with a system that badly compromised, that's likely

> > your best course.

> >

> > > I used the clean button to remove all of these, don't

> > > know if that was the right thing to do. My pc's software is nothing all that

> > > spectacular, Quicken 2005, Openoffice 2.4, Mozillia Firefox, Broderbund, ( a

> > > will making app.) and family search ( a geneology app.) Thats about all I

> > > use. So I don't know what is going on. If it help's my disk space is 37 gb

> > > with 84% free Larry

> > >

> > > "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

> > >

> > > > On Wed, 14 May 2008 08:47:03 -0700, Larry

> > > > <Larry@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Just wondering, is sp3 eating up all my ram or not. Since windows updated

> > > > > it to my pc, The pc is painfully slow, (like 6 minutes to reach my desktop,

> > > > > or is somthing else going on. On my disk space I still have 84% available.

> > > > > The ram I have is just 520 mg, so this might the problem?

> > > >

> > > > Several points:

> > > >

> > > > 1. Wanting to minimize the amount of memory Windows uses is a

> > > > counterproductive desire. Windows is designed to use all, or most, of

> > > > your memory, all the time, and that's good not bad. Free memory is

> > > > wasted memory. You paid for it all and shouldn't want to see any of it

> > > > wasted.

> > > >

> > > > Windows works hard to find a use for all the memory you have all the

> > > > time. For example if your apps don't need some of it, it will use that

> > > > part for caching, then give it back when your apps later need it. In

> > > > this way Windows keeps all your memory working for you all the time.

> > > >

> > > > 2. Is the computer just slow to boot, or is it also slow after

> > > > booting?

> > > >

> > > > 3. You say "The ram I have is just 520 mg." I assume you mean 512MB.

> > > > For most people, that's fine. How much RAM you need for good

> > > > performance is *not* a one-size-fits-all situation. You get good

> > > > performance if the amount of RAM you have keeps you from using the

> > > > page file, and that depends on what apps you run. Most people running

> > > > a typical range of business applications find that somewhere around

> > > > 256-384MB works well, others need 512MB.

> > > >

> > > > --

> > > > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

> > > > Please Reply to the Newsgroup

> > > >

> >

> > --

> > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

> > Please Reply to the Newsgroup

> >

--

Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

Please Reply to the Newsgroup

May 15, 2008

Re: win xp sp3

Hey Ken; if I remenber right all but 1 were tracking cookies, the one was a

virus and AVG removed all of them. I don't know if I'm dealing with a ram

problem, a virus problem, but somthing is eating ram and CPU, most of the

time I only have 36% available of CPU until I do a memory cleaning with

advanced windows care v-2 personnel

"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

> On Wed, 14 May 2008 16:56:03 -0700, Larry

> <Larry@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>

> > Ken Those items that AVG picked up, Those were warnings of possably harmful

> > threats. Were these really viruses???????

>

> I haven't seen the report AVG generated, so I have no way of knowing

> the answer to that question. Nevertheless that's an enormous number;

> if 90% of them were false positives and only 10% were real, 245

> infections is still an enormous number.

>

> Do you remember anything about what they were? If they were all just

> cookies, for example, I wouldn't worry about it. Most other things

> should be taken seriously.

>

> > "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

> >

> > > On Wed, 14 May 2008 10:05:16 -0700, Larry

> > > <Larry@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Hello Ken Blake I appoligize, yes I ment 512 mb of ram. The pc is slow

> > > > to boot and open apps. as well. I use the disk cleaner each day I defrag

> > > > every day. I have software called advanced windows care v-2 personnal I use

> > > > each day, along with it's memory cleaner. A couple of weeks ago I downloaded

> > > > AVG 8.0 free, ran the scan and after an hour the results was 24568 warnings

> > > > of possible infections.

> > >

> > > That's an *enormous* number. If you were that badly infected, there's

> > > an excellent chance that not everything was cleaned properly, and you

> > > are still infected.

> > >

> > > I'm usually very reluctant to recommend that someone reformat and

> > > clean install, but with a system that badly compromised, that's likely

> > > your best course.

> > >

> > > > I used the clean button to remove all of these, don't

> > > > know if that was the right thing to do. My pc's software is nothing all that

> > > > spectacular, Quicken 2005, Openoffice 2.4, Mozillia Firefox, Broderbund, ( a

> > > > will making app.) and family search ( a geneology app.) Thats about all I

> > > > use. So I don't know what is going on. If it help's my disk space is 37 gb

> > > > with 84% free Larry

> > > >

> > > > "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > On Wed, 14 May 2008 08:47:03 -0700, Larry

> > > > > <Larry@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Just wondering, is sp3 eating up all my ram or not. Since windows updated

> > > > > > it to my pc, The pc is painfully slow, (like 6 minutes to reach my desktop,

> > > > > > or is somthing else going on. On my disk space I still have 84% available.

> > > > > > The ram I have is just 520 mg, so this might the problem?

> > > > >

> > > > > Several points:

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. Wanting to minimize the amount of memory Windows uses is a

> > > > > counterproductive desire. Windows is designed to use all, or most, of

> > > > > your memory, all the time, and that's good not bad. Free memory is

> > > > > wasted memory. You paid for it all and shouldn't want to see any of it

> > > > > wasted.

> > > > >

> > > > > Windows works hard to find a use for all the memory you have all the

> > > > > time. For example if your apps don't need some of it, it will use that

> > > > > part for caching, then give it back when your apps later need it. In

> > > > > this way Windows keeps all your memory working for you all the time.

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. Is the computer just slow to boot, or is it also slow after

> > > > > booting?

> > > > >

> > > > > 3. You say "The ram I have is just 520 mg." I assume you mean 512MB.

> > > > > For most people, that's fine. How much RAM you need for good

> > > > > performance is *not* a one-size-fits-all situation. You get good

> > > > > performance if the amount of RAM you have keeps you from using the

> > > > > page file, and that depends on what apps you run. Most people running

> > > > > a typical range of business applications find that somewhere around

> > > > > 256-384MB works well, others need 512MB.

> > > > >

> > > > > --

> > > > > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

> > > > > Please Reply to the Newsgroup

> > > > >

> > >

> > > --

> > > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

> > > Please Reply to the Newsgroup

> > >

>

> --

> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

> Please Reply to the Newsgroup

>

May 15, 2008

Re: win xp sp3

On Wed, 14 May 2008 17:34:01 -0700, Larry

<Larry@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> Hey Ken; if I remenber right all but 1 were tracking cookies,

OK, I wish you had said that earlier. In that case, disregard my

earlier comment. Certainly don't reformat and reinstall for a bunch of

tracking cookies.

> the one was a

> virus and AVG removed all of them.

OK.

> I don't know if I'm dealing with a ram

> problem,

You mean defective RAM? Unlikely.

> a virus problem,

Probably not. You mentioned AVG as your anti-virus program, but I

don't remember your saying anything about anti-spyware software.

Unless you have good anti-spyware protection, that's the next thing I

would suspect.

> but somthing is eating ram

"Eating RAM," as you call is not any problem at all. See my earlier

comment about this, quoted below.

> and CPU, most of the

> time I only have 36% available of CPU until I do a memory cleaning with

> advanced windows care v-2 personnel

Ugh! Products like this are all snake oil and if you are using this,

it wouldn't be surprised if it turned out to be the cause of your

problems. I see that it includes a registry cleaner. Here's my

standard advice on registry cleaners:

Registry cleaning programs are *all* snake oil. Cleaning of the

registry isn't needed and is dangerous. Leave the registry alone and

don't use any registry cleaner. Despite what many people think, and

what vendors of registry cleaning software try to convince you of,

having unused registry entries doesn't really hurt you.

The risk of a serious problem caused by a registry cleaner erroneously

removing an entry you need is far greater than any potential benefit

it may have.

>

> "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

>

> > On Wed, 14 May 2008 16:56:03 -0700, Larry

> > <Larry@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> >

> > > Ken Those items that AVG picked up, Those were warnings of possably harmful

> > > threats. Were these really viruses???????

> >

> > I haven't seen the report AVG generated, so I have no way of knowing

> > the answer to that question. Nevertheless that's an enormous number;

> > if 90% of them were false positives and only 10% were real, 245

> > infections is still an enormous number.

> >

> > Do you remember anything about what they were? If they were all just

> > cookies, for example, I wouldn't worry about it. Most other things

> > should be taken seriously.

> >

> > > "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

> > >

> > > > On Wed, 14 May 2008 10:05:16 -0700, Larry

> > > > <Larry@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Hello Ken Blake I appoligize, yes I ment 512 mb of ram. The pc is slow

> > > > > to boot and open apps. as well. I use the disk cleaner each day I defrag

> > > > > every day. I have software called advanced windows care v-2 personnal I use

> > > > > each day, along with it's memory cleaner. A couple of weeks ago I downloaded

> > > > > AVG 8.0 free, ran the scan and after an hour the results was 24568 warnings

> > > > > of possible infections.

> > > >

> > > > That's an *enormous* number. If you were that badly infected, there's

> > > > an excellent chance that not everything was cleaned properly, and you

> > > > are still infected.

> > > >

> > > > I'm usually very reluctant to recommend that someone reformat and

> > > > clean install, but with a system that badly compromised, that's likely

> > > > your best course.

> > > >

> > > > > I used the clean button to remove all of these, don't

> > > > > know if that was the right thing to do. My pc's software is nothing all that

> > > > > spectacular, Quicken 2005, Openoffice 2.4, Mozillia Firefox, Broderbund, ( a

> > > > > will making app.) and family search ( a geneology app.) Thats about all I

> > > > > use. So I don't know what is going on. If it help's my disk space is 37 gb

> > > > > with 84% free Larry

> > > > >

> > > > > "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > On Wed, 14 May 2008 08:47:03 -0700, Larry

> > > > > > <Larry@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Just wondering, is sp3 eating up all my ram or not. Since windows updated

> > > > > > > it to my pc, The pc is painfully slow, (like 6 minutes to reach my desktop,

> > > > > > > or is somthing else going on. On my disk space I still have 84% available.

> > > > > > > The ram I have is just 520 mg, so this might the problem?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Several points:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1. Wanting to minimize the amount of memory Windows uses is a

> > > > > > counterproductive desire. Windows is designed to use all, or most, of

> > > > > > your memory, all the time, and that's good not bad. Free memory is

> > > > > > wasted memory. You paid for it all and shouldn't want to see any of it

> > > > > > wasted.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Windows works hard to find a use for all the memory you have all the

> > > > > > time. For example if your apps don't need some of it, it will use that

> > > > > > part for caching, then give it back when your apps later need it. In

> > > > > > this way Windows keeps all your memory working for you all the time.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2. Is the computer just slow to boot, or is it also slow after

> > > > > > booting?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 3. You say "The ram I have is just 520 mg." I assume you mean 512MB.

> > > > > > For most people, that's fine. How much RAM you need for good

> > > > > > performance is *not* a one-size-fits-all situation. You get good

> > > > > > performance if the amount of RAM you have keeps you from using the

> > > > > > page file, and that depends on what apps you run. Most people running

> > > > > > a typical range of business applications find that somewhere around

> > > > > > 256-384MB works well, others need 512MB.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --

> > > > > > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

> > > > > > Please Reply to the Newsgroup

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > --

> > > > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

> > > > Please Reply to the Newsgroup

> > > >

> >

> > --

> > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

> > Please Reply to the Newsgroup

> >

--

Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

Please Reply to the Newsgroup

May 15, 2008

Re: win xp sp3

Ken Blake, MVP wrote:

>> Hello Ken Blake I appoligize, yes I ment 512 mb of ram. The pc is

>> slow

>> to boot and open apps. as well. I use the disk cleaner each day I defrag

>> every day. I have software called advanced windows care v-2 personnal I

>> use

>> each day, along with it's memory cleaner. A couple of weeks ago I

>> downloaded AVG 8.0 free, ran the scan and after an hour the results was

>> 24568 warnings of possible infections.

>

> That's an *enormous* number. If you were that badly infected, there's

> an excellent chance that not everything was cleaned properly, and you

> are still infected...

AVG 8.0 now includes the functionality (but not the UI) of AVG Anti-Spyware

(FKA Ewido), Ken, so I'm not suprised that it's finding more. (Then again,

who knows what, if any, AV app OP had installed before installing AVG 8.0?)

Chances are that a majority of these "infections" were in old System Restore

points which pose no threat as long as user doesn't use any of them.

--

~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002

AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net

DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

May 15, 2008

Re: win xp sp3

Please post a link to your thread, Larry.

--

~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002

AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net

DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

Larry wrote:

> Ken I also forget to mention that I did a hijackthis scan and sent the log

> file to a web site called Tech Guys for their inspection, a little while

> ago, this afternoon 5/14/08 Larry

>

> "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

>

>> On Wed, 14 May 2008 10:05:16 -0700, Larry

>> <Larry@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>>

>>> Hello Ken Blake I appoligize, yes I ment 512 mb of ram. The pc is

>>> slow to boot and open apps. as well. I use the disk cleaner each day I

>>> defrag every day. I have software called advanced windows care v-2

>>> personnal I use each day, along with it's memory cleaner. A couple of

>>> weeks ago I downloaded AVG 8.0 free, ran the scan and after an hour the

>>> results was 24568 warnings of possible infections.

>>

>> That's an *enormous* number. If you were that badly infected, there's

>> an excellent chance that not everything was cleaned properly, and you

>> are still infected.

>>

>> I'm usually very reluctant to recommend that someone reformat and

>> clean install, but with a system that badly compromised, that's likely

>> your best course.

>>

>>> I used the clean button to remove all of these, don't

>>> know if that was the right thing to do. My pc's software is nothing all

>>> that spectacular, Quicken 2005, Openoffice 2.4, Mozillia Firefox,

>>> Broderbund, ( a will making app.) and family search ( a geneology app.)

>>> Thats about all I use. So I don't know what is going on. If it help's

>>> my

>>> disk space is 37 gb with 84% free Larry

>>>

>>> "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

>>>

>>>> On Wed, 14 May 2008 08:47:03 -0700, Larry

>>>> <Larry@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> Just wondering, is sp3 eating up all my ram or not. Since windows

>>>>> updated it to my pc, The pc is painfully slow, (like 6 minutes to

>>>>> reach

>>>>> my desktop, or is somthing else going on. On my disk space I still

>>>>> have 84% available. The ram I have is just 520 mg, so this might the

>>>>> problem?

>>>>

>>>> Several points:

>>>>

>>>> 1. Wanting to minimize the amount of memory Windows uses is a

>>>> counterproductive desire. Windows is designed to use all, or most, of

>>>> your memory, all the time, and that's good not bad. Free memory is

>>>> wasted memory. You paid for it all and shouldn't want to see any of it

>>>> wasted.

>>>>

>>>> Windows works hard to find a use for all the memory you have all the

>>>> time. For example if your apps don't need some of it, it will use that

>>>> part for caching, then give it back when your apps later need it. In

>>>> this way Windows keeps all your memory working for you all the time.

>>>>

>>>> 2. Is the computer just slow to boot, or is it also slow after

>>>> booting?

>>>>

>>>> 3. You say "The ram I have is just 520 mg." I assume you mean 512MB.

>>>> For most people, that's fine. How much RAM you need for good

>>>> performance is *not* a one-size-fits-all situation. You get good

>>>> performance if the amount of RAM you have keeps you from using the

>>>> page file, and that depends on what apps you run. Most people running

>>>> a typical range of business applications find that somewhere around

>>>> 256-384MB works well, others need 512MB.

>>>>

>>>> --

>>>> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

>>>> Please Reply to the Newsgroup

>>>>

>>

>> --

>> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

>> Please Reply to the Newsgroup

May 15, 2008

Re: win xp sp3

Hi Ken I did have ( all shareware or freeware) Spy-bot S+D, Adahware 7.0,

and ran several online scaning programs. Currently I still have spy-bot.

So you recommend losing the Advanced window cleaner software. I can do that.

What I mean by saying eating ram is, do I have enough of it, according to a

previous post you say yes, than I must ask why do I have such low CPU all the

time.

I will delete Advanced windows after this post. Larry

"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

> On Wed, 14 May 2008 17:34:01 -0700, Larry

> <Larry@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>

> > Hey Ken; if I remenber right all but 1 were tracking cookies,

>

> OK, I wish you had said that earlier. In that case, disregard my

> earlier comment. Certainly don't reformat and reinstall for a bunch of

> tracking cookies.

>

> > the one was a

> > virus and AVG removed all of them.

>

> OK.

>

> > I don't know if I'm dealing with a ram

> > problem,

>

> You mean defective RAM? Unlikely.

>

> > a virus problem,

>

> Probably not. You mentioned AVG as your anti-virus program, but I

> don't remember your saying anything about anti-spyware software.

> Unless you have good anti-spyware protection, that's the next thing I

> would suspect.

>

> > but somthing is eating ram

>

> "Eating RAM," as you call is not any problem at all. See my earlier

> comment about this, quoted below.

>

> > and CPU, most of the

> > time I only have 36% available of CPU until I do a memory cleaning with

> > advanced windows care v-2 personnel

>

> Ugh! Products like this are all snake oil and if you are using this,

> it wouldn't be surprised if it turned out to be the cause of your

> problems. I see that it includes a registry cleaner. Here's my

> standard advice on registry cleaners:

>

> Registry cleaning programs are *all* snake oil. Cleaning of the

> registry isn't needed and is dangerous. Leave the registry alone and

> don't use any registry cleaner. Despite what many people think, and

> what vendors of registry cleaning software try to convince you of,

> having unused registry entries doesn't really hurt you.

>

> The risk of a serious problem caused by a registry cleaner erroneously

> removing an entry you need is far greater than any potential benefit

> it may have.

>

> >

> > "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

> >

> > > On Wed, 14 May 2008 16:56:03 -0700, Larry

> > > <Larry@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Ken Those items that AVG picked up, Those were warnings of possably harmful

> > > > threats. Were these really viruses???????

> > >

> > > I haven't seen the report AVG generated, so I have no way of knowing

> > > the answer to that question. Nevertheless that's an enormous number;

> > > if 90% of them were false positives and only 10% were real, 245

> > > infections is still an enormous number.

> > >

> > > Do you remember anything about what they were? If they were all just

> > > cookies, for example, I wouldn't worry about it. Most other things

> > > should be taken seriously.

> > >

> > > > "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > On Wed, 14 May 2008 10:05:16 -0700, Larry

> > > > > <Larry@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Hello Ken Blake I appoligize, yes I ment 512 mb of ram. The pc is slow

> > > > > > to boot and open apps. as well. I use the disk cleaner each day I defrag

> > > > > > every day. I have software called advanced windows care v-2 personnal I use

> > > > > > each day, along with it's memory cleaner. A couple of weeks ago I downloaded

> > > > > > AVG 8.0 free, ran the scan and after an hour the results was 24568 warnings

> > > > > > of possible infections.

> > > > >

> > > > > That's an *enormous* number. If you were that badly infected, there's

> > > > > an excellent chance that not everything was cleaned properly, and you

> > > > > are still infected.

> > > > >

> > > > > I'm usually very reluctant to recommend that someone reformat and

> > > > > clean install, but with a system that badly compromised, that's likely

> > > > > your best course.

> > > > >

> > > > > > I used the clean button to remove all of these, don't

> > > > > > know if that was the right thing to do. My pc's software is nothing all that

> > > > > > spectacular, Quicken 2005, Openoffice 2.4, Mozillia Firefox, Broderbund, ( a

> > > > > > will making app.) and family search ( a geneology app.) Thats about all I

> > > > > > use. So I don't know what is going on. If it help's my disk space is 37 gb

> > > > > > with 84% free Larry

> > > > > >

> > > > > > "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > On Wed, 14 May 2008 08:47:03 -0700, Larry

> > > > > > > <Larry@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Just wondering, is sp3 eating up all my ram or not. Since windows updated

> > > > > > > > it to my pc, The pc is painfully slow, (like 6 minutes to reach my desktop,

> > > > > > > > or is somthing else going on. On my disk space I still have 84% available.

> > > > > > > > The ram I have is just 520 mg, so this might the problem?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Several points:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1. Wanting to minimize the amount of memory Windows uses is a

> > > > > > > counterproductive desire. Windows is designed to use all, or most, of

> > > > > > > your memory, all the time, and that's good not bad. Free memory is

> > > > > > > wasted memory. You paid for it all and shouldn't want to see any of it

> > > > > > > wasted.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Windows works hard to find a use for all the memory you have all the

> > > > > > > time. For example if your apps don't need some of it, it will use that

> > > > > > > part for caching, then give it back when your apps later need it. In

> > > > > > > this way Windows keeps all your memory working for you all the time.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2. Is the computer just slow to boot, or is it also slow after

> > > > > > > booting?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 3. You say "The ram I have is just 520 mg." I assume you mean 512MB.

> > > > > > > For most people, that's fine. How much RAM you need for good

> > > > > > > performance is *not* a one-size-fits-all situation. You get good

> > > > > > > performance if the amount of RAM you have keeps you from using the

> > > > > > > page file, and that depends on what apps you run. Most people running

> > > > > > > a typical range of business applications find that somewhere around

> > > > > > > 256-384MB works well, others need 512MB.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --

> > > > > > > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

> > > > > > > Please Reply to the Newsgroup

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --

> > > > > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

> > > > > Please Reply to the Newsgroup

> > > > >

> > >

> > > --

> > > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

> > > Please Reply to the Newsgroup

> > >

>

> --

> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

> Please Reply to the Newsgroup

>

May 15, 2008

Re: win xp sp3

I am not real tech smart, so don't laugh, but what is a link and how do you

post one. Larry

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

> Please post a link to your thread, Larry.

> --

> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002

> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net

> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

>

> Larry wrote:

> > Ken I also forget to mention that I did a hijackthis scan and sent the log

> > file to a web site called Tech Guys for their inspection, a little while

> > ago, this afternoon 5/14/08 Larry

> >

> > "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

> >

> >> On Wed, 14 May 2008 10:05:16 -0700, Larry

> >> <Larry@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> >>

> >>> Hello Ken Blake I appoligize, yes I ment 512 mb of ram. The pc is

> >>> slow to boot and open apps. as well. I use the disk cleaner each day I

> >>> defrag every day. I have software called advanced windows care v-2

> >>> personnal I use each day, along with it's memory cleaner. A couple of

> >>> weeks ago I downloaded AVG 8.0 free, ran the scan and after an hour the

> >>> results was 24568 warnings of possible infections.

> >>

> >> That's an *enormous* number. If you were that badly infected, there's

> >> an excellent chance that not everything was cleaned properly, and you

> >> are still infected.

> >>

> >> I'm usually very reluctant to recommend that someone reformat and

> >> clean install, but with a system that badly compromised, that's likely

> >> your best course.

> >>

> >>> I used the clean button to remove all of these, don't

> >>> know if that was the right thing to do. My pc's software is nothing all

> >>> that spectacular, Quicken 2005, Openoffice 2.4, Mozillia Firefox,

> >>> Broderbund, ( a will making app.) and family search ( a geneology app.)

> >>> Thats about all I use. So I don't know what is going on. If it help's

> >>> my

> >>> disk space is 37 gb with 84% free Larry

> >>>

> >>> "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

> >>>

> >>>> On Wed, 14 May 2008 08:47:03 -0700, Larry

> >>>> <Larry@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> >>>>

> >>>>> Just wondering, is sp3 eating up all my ram or not. Since windows

> >>>>> updated it to my pc, The pc is painfully slow, (like 6 minutes to

> >>>>> reach

> >>>>> my desktop, or is somthing else going on. On my disk space I still

> >>>>> have 84% available. The ram I have is just 520 mg, so this might the

> >>>>> problem?

> >>>>

> >>>> Several points:

> >>>>

> >>>> 1. Wanting to minimize the amount of memory Windows uses is a

> >>>> counterproductive desire. Windows is designed to use all, or most, of

> >>>> your memory, all the time, and that's good not bad. Free memory is

> >>>> wasted memory. You paid for it all and shouldn't want to see any of it

> >>>> wasted.

> >>>>

> >>>> Windows works hard to find a use for all the memory you have all the

> >>>> time. For example if your apps don't need some of it, it will use that

> >>>> part for caching, then give it back when your apps later need it. In

> >>>> this way Windows keeps all your memory working for you all the time.

> >>>>

> >>>> 2. Is the computer just slow to boot, or is it also slow after

> >>>> booting?

> >>>>

> >>>> 3. You say "The ram I have is just 520 mg." I assume you mean 512MB.

> >>>> For most people, that's fine. How much RAM you need for good

> >>>> performance is *not* a one-size-fits-all situation. You get good

> >>>> performance if the amount of RAM you have keeps you from using the

> >>>> page file, and that depends on what apps you run. Most people running

> >>>> a typical range of business applications find that somewhere around

> >>>> 256-384MB works well, others need 512MB.

> >>>>

> >>>> --

> >>>> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

> >>>> Please Reply to the Newsgroup

> >>>>

> >>

> >> --

> >> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

> >> Please Reply to the Newsgroup

>

May 15, 2008

Re: win xp sp3

A link is the URL (http://......) that's displayed in Address Bar when

you've opened your forum thread.

Larry wrote:

> I am not real tech smart, so don't laugh, but what is a link and how do

> you

> post one. Larry

>

> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

>

>> Please post a link to your thread, Larry.

>> --

>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002

>> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net

>> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

>>

>> Larry wrote:

>>> Ken I also forget to mention that I did a hijackthis scan and sent the

>>> log

>>> file to a web site called Tech Guys for their inspection, a little while

>>> ago, this afternoon 5/14/08 Larry

>>>

>>> "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

>>>

>>>> On Wed, 14 May 2008 10:05:16 -0700, Larry

>>>> <Larry@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> Hello Ken Blake I appoligize, yes I ment 512 mb of ram. The pc is

>>>>> slow to boot and open apps. as well. I use the disk cleaner each day I

>>>>> defrag every day. I have software called advanced windows care v-2

>>>>> personnal I use each day, along with it's memory cleaner. A couple of

>>>>> weeks ago I downloaded AVG 8.0 free, ran the scan and after an hour

>>>>> the

>>>>> results was 24568 warnings of possible infections.

>>>>

>>>> That's an *enormous* number. If you were that badly infected, there's

>>>> an excellent chance that not everything was cleaned properly, and you

>>>> are still infected.

>>>>

>>>> I'm usually very reluctant to recommend that someone reformat and

>>>> clean install, but with a system that badly compromised, that's likely

>>>> your best course.

>>>>

>>>>> I used the clean button to remove all of these, don't

>>>>> know if that was the right thing to do. My pc's software is nothing

>>>>> all

>>>>> that spectacular, Quicken 2005, Openoffice 2.4, Mozillia Firefox,

>>>>> Broderbund, ( a will making app.) and family search ( a geneology

>>>>> app.)

>>>>> Thats about all I use. So I don't know what is going on. If it help's

>>>>> my

>>>>> disk space is 37 gb with 84% free Larry

>>>>>

>>>>> "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> On Wed, 14 May 2008 08:47:03 -0700, Larry

>>>>>> <Larry@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Just wondering, is sp3 eating up all my ram or not. Since windows

>>>>>>> updated it to my pc, The pc is painfully slow, (like 6 minutes to

>>>>>>> reach

>>>>>>> my desktop, or is somthing else going on. On my disk space I still

>>>>>>> have 84% available. The ram I have is just 520 mg, so this might the

>>>>>>> problem?

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Several points:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> 1. Wanting to minimize the amount of memory Windows uses is a

>>>>>> counterproductive desire. Windows is designed to use all, or most, of

>>>>>> your memory, all the time, and that's good not bad. Free memory is

>>>>>> wasted memory. You paid for it all and shouldn't want to see any of

>>>>>> it

>>>>>> wasted.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Windows works hard to find a use for all the memory you have all the

>>>>>> time. For example if your apps don't need some of it, it will use

>>>>>> that

>>>>>> part for caching, then give it back when your apps later need it. In

>>>>>> this way Windows keeps all your memory working for you all the time.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> 2. Is the computer just slow to boot, or is it also slow after

>>>>>> booting?

>>>>>>

>>>>>> 3. You say "The ram I have is just 520 mg." I assume you mean 512MB.

>>>>>> For most people, that's fine. How much RAM you need for good

>>>>>> performance is *not* a one-size-fits-all situation. You get good

>>>>>> performance if the amount of RAM you have keeps you from using the

>>>>>> page file, and that depends on what apps you run. Most people running

>>>>>> a typical range of business applications find that somewhere around

>>>>>> 256-384MB works well, others need 512MB.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> --

>>>>>> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

>>>>>> Please Reply to the Newsgroup

>>>>>>

>>>>

>>>> --

>>>> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

>>>> Please Reply to the Newsgroup

May 15, 2008

Re: win xp sp3

Pa Bear Here is the link you requested

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/newsgroups/reader.mspx?dg=microsoft.public.windowsxp.general&mid=2ebb2d16-7a92-412c-af54-01f660d0e70b

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

> A link is the URL (http://......) that's displayed in Address Bar when

> you've opened your forum thread.

>

> Larry wrote:

> > I am not real tech smart, so don't laugh, but what is a link and how do

> > you

> > post one. Larry

> >

> > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

> >

> >> Please post a link to your thread, Larry.

> >> --

> >> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

> >> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002

> >> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net

> >> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

> >>

> >> Larry wrote:

> >>> Ken I also forget to mention that I did a hijackthis scan and sent the

> >>> log

> >>> file to a web site called Tech Guys for their inspection, a little while

> >>> ago, this afternoon 5/14/08 Larry

> >>>

> >>> "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

> >>>

> >>>> On Wed, 14 May 2008 10:05:16 -0700, Larry

> >>>> <Larry@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> >>>>

> >>>>> Hello Ken Blake I appoligize, yes I ment 512 mb of ram. The pc is

> >>>>> slow to boot and open apps. as well. I use the disk cleaner each day I

> >>>>> defrag every day. I have software called advanced windows care v-2

> >>>>> personnal I use each day, along with it's memory cleaner. A couple of

> >>>>> weeks ago I downloaded AVG 8.0 free, ran the scan and after an hour

> >>>>> the

> >>>>> results was 24568 warnings of possible infections.

> >>>>

> >>>> That's an *enormous* number. If you were that badly infected, there's

> >>>> an excellent chance that not everything was cleaned properly, and you

> >>>> are still infected.

> >>>>

> >>>> I'm usually very reluctant to recommend that someone reformat and

> >>>> clean install, but with a system that badly compromised, that's likely

> >>>> your best course.

> >>>>

> >>>>> I used the clean button to remove all of these, don't

> >>>>> know if that was the right thing to do. My pc's software is nothing

> >>>>> all

> >>>>> that spectacular, Quicken 2005, Openoffice 2.4, Mozillia Firefox,

> >>>>> Broderbund, ( a will making app.) and family search ( a geneology

> >>>>> app.)

> >>>>> Thats about all I use. So I don't know what is going on. If it help's

> >>>>> my

> >>>>> disk space is 37 gb with 84% free Larry

> >>>>>

> >>>>> "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

> >>>>>

> >>>>>> On Wed, 14 May 2008 08:47:03 -0700, Larry

> >>>>>> <Larry@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Just wondering, is sp3 eating up all my ram or not. Since windows

> >>>>>>> updated it to my pc, The pc is painfully slow, (like 6 minutes to

> >>>>>>> reach

> >>>>>>> my desktop, or is somthing else going on. On my disk space I still

> >>>>>>> have 84% available. The ram I have is just 520 mg, so this might the

> >>>>>>> problem?

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Several points:

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> 1. Wanting to minimize the amount of memory Windows uses is a

> >>>>>> counterproductive desire. Windows is designed to use all, or most, of

> >>>>>> your memory, all the time, and that's good not bad. Free memory is

> >>>>>> wasted memory. You paid for it all and shouldn't want to see any of

> >>>>>> it

> >>>>>> wasted.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Windows works hard to find a use for all the memory you have all the

> >>>>>> time. For example if your apps don't need some of it, it will use

> >>>>>> that

> >>>>>> part for caching, then give it back when your apps later need it. In

> >>>>>> this way Windows keeps all your memory working for you all the time.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> 2. Is the computer just slow to boot, or is it also slow after

> >>>>>> booting?

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> 3. You say "The ram I have is just 520 mg." I assume you mean 512MB.

> >>>>>> For most people, that's fine. How much RAM you need for good

> >>>>>> performance is *not* a one-size-fits-all situation. You get good

> >>>>>> performance if the amount of RAM you have keeps you from using the

> >>>>>> page file, and that depends on what apps you run. Most people running

> >>>>>> a typical range of business applications find that somewhere around

> >>>>>> 256-384MB works well, others need 512MB.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> --

> >>>>>> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

> >>>>>> Please Reply to the Newsgroup

> >>>>>>

> >>>>

> >>>> --

> >>>> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

> >>>> Please Reply to the Newsgroup

>

May 15, 2008

Re: win xp sp3

Close but no cigar. That's a link to THIS thread. I'm asking for a link to

your thread at http://forums.techguy.org.

Larry wrote:

> Pa Bear Here is the link you requested

>

> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/newsgroups/reader.mspx?dg=microsoft.public.windowsxp.general&mid=2ebb2d16-7a92-412c-af54-01f660d0e70b

>

> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

>

>> A link is the URL (http://......) that's displayed in Address Bar when

>> you've opened your forum thread.

>>

>> Larry wrote:

>>> I am not real tech smart, so don't laugh, but what is a link and how do

>>> you

>>> post one. Larry

>>>

>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

>>>

>>>> Please post a link to your thread, Larry.

>>>> --

>>>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

>>>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002

>>>> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net

>>>> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

>>>>

>>>> Larry wrote:

>>>>> Ken I also forget to mention that I did a hijackthis scan and sent the

>>>>> log

>>>>> file to a web site called Tech Guys for their inspection, a little

>>>>> while

>>>>> ago, this afternoon 5/14/08 Larry

>>>>>

>>>>> "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> On Wed, 14 May 2008 10:05:16 -0700, Larry

>>>>>> <Larry@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Hello Ken Blake I appoligize, yes I ment 512 mb of ram. The pc

>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>> slow to boot and open apps. as well. I use the disk cleaner each day

>>>>>>> I

>>>>>>> defrag every day. I have software called advanced windows care v-2

>>>>>>> personnal I use each day, along with it's memory cleaner. A couple

>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>> weeks ago I downloaded AVG 8.0 free, ran the scan and after an hour

>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>> results was 24568 warnings of possible infections.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> That's an *enormous* number. If you were that badly infected, there's

>>>>>> an excellent chance that not everything was cleaned properly, and you

>>>>>> are still infected.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I'm usually very reluctant to recommend that someone reformat and

>>>>>> clean install, but with a system that badly compromised, that's

>>>>>> likely

>>>>>> your best course.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I used the clean button to remove all of these, don't

>>>>>>> know if that was the right thing to do. My pc's software is nothing

>>>>>>> all

>>>>>>> that spectacular, Quicken 2005, Openoffice 2.4, Mozillia Firefox,

>>>>>>> Broderbund, ( a will making app.) and family search ( a geneology

>>>>>>> app.)

>>>>>>> Thats about all I use. So I don't know what is going on. If it

>>>>>>> help's

>>>>>>> my

>>>>>>> disk space is 37 gb with 84% free Larry

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 May 2008 08:47:03 -0700, Larry

>>>>>>>> <Larry@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Just wondering, is sp3 eating up all my ram or not. Since

>>>>>>>>> windows

>>>>>>>>> updated it to my pc, The pc is painfully slow, (like 6 minutes to

>>>>>>>>> reach

>>>>>>>>> my desktop, or is somthing else going on. On my disk space I

>>>>>>>>> still

>>>>>>>>> have 84% available. The ram I have is just 520 mg, so this might

>>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>> problem?

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Several points:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> 1. Wanting to minimize the amount of memory Windows uses is a

>>>>>>>> counterproductive desire. Windows is designed to use all, or most,

>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>> your memory, all the time, and that's good not bad. Free memory is

>>>>>>>> wasted memory. You paid for it all and shouldn't want to see any of

>>>>>>>> it

>>>>>>>> wasted.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Windows works hard to find a use for all the memory you have all

>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>> time. For example if your apps don't need some of it, it will use

>>>>>>>> that

>>>>>>>> part for caching, then give it back when your apps later need it.

>>>>>>>> In

>>>>>>>> this way Windows keeps all your memory working for you all the

>>>>>>>> time.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> 2. Is the computer just slow to boot, or is it also slow after

>>>>>>>> booting?

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> 3. You say "The ram I have is just 520 mg." I assume you mean

>>>>>>>> 512MB.

>>>>>>>> For most people, that's fine. How much RAM you need for good

>>>>>>>> performance is *not* a one-size-fits-all situation. You get good

>>>>>>>> performance if the amount of RAM you have keeps you from using the

>>>>>>>> page file, and that depends on what apps you run. Most people

>>>>>>>> running

>>>>>>>> a typical range of business applications find that somewhere around

>>>>>>>> 256-384MB works well, others need 512MB.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> --

>>>>>>>> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

>>>>>>>> Please Reply to the Newsgroup

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> --

>>>>>> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

>>>>>> Please Reply to the Newsgroup

May 15, 2008

Re: win xp sp3

On Thu, 15 May 2008 07:19:05 -0700, Larry

<Larry@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> Hi Ken I did have ( all shareware or freeware) Spy-bot S+D, Adahware 7.0,

> and ran several online scaning programs. Currently I still have spy-bot.

OK, good. That doesn't completely rule out the possibility of

infection, of course, but it makes it considerably less likely.

> So you recommend losing the Advanced window cleaner software. I can do that.

Good. I hope that it hasn't already caused the problems you're

experiencing, but there's no way I can know that for sure.

> What I mean by saying eating ram is, do I have enough of it, according to a

> previous post you say yes,

No, I said "probably." Again, how much you need for good performance

depends on what apps you run. 512MB is enough for most people running

a range of ordinary business applications. Whether it's enough for

*you* and your apps, I can't be sure from where I sit.

But again, my guess it that that's not your problem.

> than I must ask why do I have such low CPU all the

> time.

You're mixing up two things: CPU usage and RAM usage. They are not the

same.

If available CPU is low, it's because of some app or apps you are

running. Download and run Process Explorer at

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896653.aspx

That will show you what is using your CPU. Once you have that

information, post back for more help.

> I will delete Advanced windows after this post. Larry

Good.

> "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

>

> > On Wed, 14 May 2008 17:34:01 -0700, Larry

> > <Larry@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> >

> > > Hey Ken; if I remenber right all but 1 were tracking cookies,

> >

> > OK, I wish you had said that earlier. In that case, disregard my

> > earlier comment. Certainly don't reformat and reinstall for a bunch of

> > tracking cookies.

> >

> > > the one was a

> > > virus and AVG removed all of them.

> >

> > OK.

> >

> > > I don't know if I'm dealing with a ram

> > > problem,

> >

> > You mean defective RAM? Unlikely.

> >

> > > a virus problem,

> >

> > Probably not. You mentioned AVG as your anti-virus program, but I

> > don't remember your saying anything about anti-spyware software.

> > Unless you have good anti-spyware protection, that's the next thing I

> > would suspect.

> >

> > > but somthing is eating ram

> >

> > "Eating RAM," as you call is not any problem at all. See my earlier

> > comment about this, quoted below.

> >

> > > and CPU, most of the

> > > time I only have 36% available of CPU until I do a memory cleaning with

> > > advanced windows care v-2 personnel

> >

> > Ugh! Products like this are all snake oil and if you are using this,

> > it wouldn't be surprised if it turned out to be the cause of your

> > problems. I see that it includes a registry cleaner. Here's my

> > standard advice on registry cleaners:

> >

> > Registry cleaning programs are *all* snake oil. Cleaning of the

> > registry isn't needed and is dangerous. Leave the registry alone and

> > don't use any registry cleaner. Despite what many people think, and

> > what vendors of registry cleaning software try to convince you of,

> > having unused registry entries doesn't really hurt you.

> >

> > The risk of a serious problem caused by a registry cleaner erroneously

> > removing an entry you need is far greater than any potential benefit

> > it may have.

> >

> > >

> > > "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

> > >

> > > > On Wed, 14 May 2008 16:56:03 -0700, Larry

> > > > <Larry@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Ken Those items that AVG picked up, Those were warnings of possably harmful

> > > > > threats. Were these really viruses???????

> > > >

> > > > I haven't seen the report AVG generated, so I have no way of knowing

> > > > the answer to that question. Nevertheless that's an enormous number;

> > > > if 90% of them were false positives and only 10% were real, 245

> > > > infections is still an enormous number.

> > > >

> > > > Do you remember anything about what they were? If they were all just

> > > > cookies, for example, I wouldn't worry about it. Most other things

> > > > should be taken seriously.

> > > >

> > > > > "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > On Wed, 14 May 2008 10:05:16 -0700, Larry

> > > > > > <Larry@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hello Ken Blake I appoligize, yes I ment 512 mb of ram. The pc is slow

> > > > > > > to boot and open apps. as well. I use the disk cleaner each day I defrag

> > > > > > > every day. I have software called advanced windows care v-2 personnal I use

> > > > > > > each day, along with it's memory cleaner. A couple of weeks ago I downloaded

> > > > > > > AVG 8.0 free, ran the scan and after an hour the results was 24568 warnings

> > > > > > > of possible infections.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > That's an *enormous* number. If you were that badly infected, there's

> > > > > > an excellent chance that not everything was cleaned properly, and you

> > > > > > are still infected.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I'm usually very reluctant to recommend that someone reformat and

> > > > > > clean install, but with a system that badly compromised, that's likely

> > > > > > your best course.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > I used the clean button to remove all of these, don't

> > > > > > > know if that was the right thing to do. My pc's software is nothing all that

> > > > > > > spectacular, Quicken 2005, Openoffice 2.4, Mozillia Firefox, Broderbund, ( a

> > > > > > > will making app.) and family search ( a geneology app.) Thats about all I

> > > > > > > use. So I don't know what is going on. If it help's my disk space is 37 gb

> > > > > > > with 84% free Larry

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > On Wed, 14 May 2008 08:47:03 -0700, Larry

> > > > > > > > <Larry@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Just wondering, is sp3 eating up all my ram or not. Since windows updated

> > > > > > > > > it to my pc, The pc is painfully slow, (like 6 minutes to reach my desktop,

> > > > > > > > > or is somthing else going on. On my disk space I still have 84% available.

> > > > > > > > > The ram I have is just 520 mg, so this might the problem?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Several points:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1. Wanting to minimize the amount of memory Windows uses is a

> > > > > > > > counterproductive desire. Windows is designed to use all, or most, of

> > > > > > > > your memory, all the time, and that's good not bad. Free memory is

> > > > > > > > wasted memory. You paid for it all and shouldn't want to see any of it

> > > > > > > > wasted.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Windows works hard to find a use for all the memory you have all the

> > > > > > > > time. For example if your apps don't need some of it, it will use that

> > > > > > > > part for caching, then give it back when your apps later need it. In

> > > > > > > > this way Windows keeps all your memory working for you all the time.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2. Is the computer just slow to boot, or is it also slow after

> > > > > > > > booting?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 3. You say "The ram I have is just 520 mg." I assume you mean 512MB.

> > > > > > > > For most people, that's fine. How much RAM you need for good

> > > > > > > > performance is *not* a one-size-fits-all situation. You get good

> > > > > > > > performance if the amount of RAM you have keeps you from using the

> > > > > > > > page file, and that depends on what apps you run. Most people running

> > > > > > > > a typical range of business applications find that somewhere around

> > > > > > > > 256-384MB works well, others need 512MB.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --

> > > > > > > > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

> > > > > > > > Please Reply to the Newsgroup

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --

> > > > > > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

> > > > > > Please Reply to the Newsgroup

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > --

> > > > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

> > > > Please Reply to the Newsgroup

> > > >

> >

> > --

> > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

> > Please Reply to the Newsgroup

> >

--

Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

Please Reply to the Newsgroup

May 15, 2008

Re: win xp sp3

On Thu, 15 May 2008 04:02:24 -0400, "PA Bear [MS MVP]"

<PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote:

> Ken Blake, MVP wrote:

> >> Hello Ken Blake I appoligize, yes I ment 512 mb of ram. The pc is

> >> slow

> >> to boot and open apps. as well. I use the disk cleaner each day I defrag

> >> every day. I have software called advanced windows care v-2 personnal I

> >> use

> >> each day, along with it's memory cleaner. A couple of weeks ago I

> >> downloaded AVG 8.0 free, ran the scan and after an hour the results was

> >> 24568 warnings of possible infections.

> >

> > That's an *enormous* number. If you were that badly infected, there's

> > an excellent chance that not everything was cleaned properly, and you

> > are still infected...

>

> AVG 8.0 now includes the functionality (but not the UI) of AVG Anti-Spyware

> (FKA Ewido), Ken, so I'm not suprised that it's finding more.

Thanks, Robear, I didn't know that.

At any rate, he's since clarified that all but one of these were just

tracking cookies, so it's not the enormous number it seemed at first.

> (Then again,

> who knows what, if any, AV app OP had installed before installing AVG 8.0?)

>

> Chances are that a majority of these "infections" were in old System Restore

> points which pose no threat as long as user doesn't use any of them.

> --

> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002

> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net

> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

--

Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

Please Reply to the Newsgroup

May 15, 2008

Re: win xp sp3

Hey Ken I told you I'm not real smart, again I'm sorry I think this is the

link you want Larry

http://forums.techguy.org/malware-removal-hijackthis-logs/712186-pc-slow-infection-again.html

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

> Close but no cigar. That's a link to THIS thread. I'm asking for a link to

> your thread at http://forums.techguy.org.

>

> Larry wrote:

> > Pa Bear Here is the link you requested

> >

> > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/newsgroups/reader.mspx?dg=microsoft.public.windowsxp.general&mid=2ebb2d16-7a92-412c-af54-01f660d0e70b

> >

> > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

> >

> >> A link is the URL (http://......) that's displayed in Address Bar when

> >> you've opened your forum thread.

> >>

> >> Larry wrote:

> >>> I am not real tech smart, so don't laugh, but what is a link and how do

> >>> you

> >>> post one. Larry

> >>>

> >>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

> >>>

> >>>> Please post a link to your thread, Larry.

> >>>> --

> >>>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

> >>>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002

> >>>> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net

> >>>> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

> >>>>

> >>>> Larry wrote:

> >>>>> Ken I also forget to mention that I did a hijackthis scan and sent the

> >>>>> log

> >>>>> file to a web site called Tech Guys for their inspection, a little

> >>>>> while

> >>>>> ago, this afternoon 5/14/08 Larry

> >>>>>

> >>>>> "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

> >>>>>

> >>>>>> On Wed, 14 May 2008 10:05:16 -0700, Larry

> >>>>>> <Larry@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Hello Ken Blake I appoligize, yes I ment 512 mb of ram. The pc

> >>>>>>> is

> >>>>>>> slow to boot and open apps. as well. I use the disk cleaner each day

> >>>>>>> I

> >>>>>>> defrag every day. I have software called advanced windows care v-2

> >>>>>>> personnal I use each day, along with it's memory cleaner. A couple

> >>>>>>> of

> >>>>>>> weeks ago I downloaded AVG 8.0 free, ran the scan and after an hour

> >>>>>>> the

> >>>>>>> results was 24568 warnings of possible infections.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> That's an *enormous* number. If you were that badly infected, there's

> >>>>>> an excellent chance that not everything was cleaned properly, and you

> >>>>>> are still infected.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> I'm usually very reluctant to recommend that someone reformat and

> >>>>>> clean install, but with a system that badly compromised, that's

> >>>>>> likely

> >>>>>> your best course.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>> I used the clean button to remove all of these, don't

> >>>>>>> know if that was the right thing to do. My pc's software is nothing

> >>>>>>> all

> >>>>>>> that spectacular, Quicken 2005, Openoffice 2.4, Mozillia Firefox,

> >>>>>>> Broderbund, ( a will making app.) and family search ( a geneology

> >>>>>>> app.)

> >>>>>>> Thats about all I use. So I don't know what is going on. If it

> >>>>>>> help's

> >>>>>>> my

> >>>>>>> disk space is 37 gb with 84% free Larry

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 May 2008 08:47:03 -0700, Larry

> >>>>>>>> <Larry@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> Just wondering, is sp3 eating up all my ram or not. Since

> >>>>>>>>> windows

> >>>>>>>>> updated it to my pc, The pc is painfully slow, (like 6 minutes to

> >>>>>>>>> reach

> >>>>>>>>> my desktop, or is somthing else going on. On my disk space I

> >>>>>>>>> still

> >>>>>>>>> have 84% available. The ram I have is just 520 mg, so this might

> >>>>>>>>> the

> >>>>>>>>> problem?

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> Several points:

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> 1. Wanting to minimize the amount of memory Windows uses is a

> >>>>>>>> counterproductive desire. Windows is designed to use all, or most,

> >>>>>>>> of

> >>>>>>>> your memory, all the time, and that's good not bad. Free memory is

> >>>>>>>> wasted memory. You paid for it all and shouldn't want to see any of

> >>>>>>>> it

> >>>>>>>> wasted.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> Windows works hard to find a use for all the memory you have all

> >>>>>>>> the

> >>>>>>>> time. For example if your apps don't need some of it, it will use

> >>>>>>>> that

> >>>>>>>> part for caching, then give it back when your apps later need it.

> >>>>>>>> In

> >>>>>>>> this way Windows keeps all your memory working for you all the

> >>>>>>>> time.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> 2. Is the computer just slow to boot, or is it also slow after

> >>>>>>>> booting?

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> 3. You say "The ram I have is just 520 mg." I assume you mean

> >>>>>>>> 512MB.

> >>>>>>>> For most people, that's fine. How much RAM you need for good

> >>>>>>>> performance is *not* a one-size-fits-all situation. You get good

> >>>>>>>> performance if the amount of RAM you have keeps you from using the

> >>>>>>>> page file, and that depends on what apps you run. Most people

> >>>>>>>> running

> >>>>>>>> a typical range of business applications find that somewhere around

> >>>>>>>> 256-384MB works well, others need 512MB.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> --

> >>>>>>>> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

> >>>>>>>> Please Reply to the Newsgroup

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> --

> >>>>>> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

> >>>>>> Please Reply to the Newsgroup

>

May 16, 2008

Re: win xp sp3

Thanks.

May I ask why you chose to post your log there (again)? Looks like no one

ever replied to either of your earlier threads:

http://forums.techguy.org/malware-removal-hijackthis-logs/703986-combl-log-fix-log-hjt.html

(Apr-08)

http://forums.techguy.org/malware-removal-hijackthis-logs/675545-hijackthis-log.html

(Jan-08)

--

~PA Bear

Larry wrote:

> Hey Ken I told you I'm not real smart, again I'm sorry I think this is

> the link you want Larry

>

> http://forums.techguy.org/malware-removal-hijackthis-logs/712186-pc-slow-infection-again.html

>

> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

>

>> Close but no cigar. That's a link to THIS thread. I'm asking for a link

>> to your thread at http://forums.techguy.org.

>>

>> Larry wrote:

>>> Pa Bear Here is the link you requested

>>>

>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/newsgroups/reader.mspx?dg=microsoft.public.windowsxp.general&mid=2ebb2d16-7a92-412c-af54-01f660d0e70b

>>>

>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

>>>

>>>> A link is the URL (http://......) that's displayed in Address Bar when

>>>> you've opened your forum thread.

>>>>

>>>> Larry wrote:

>>>>> I am not real tech smart, so don't laugh, but what is a link and how

>>>>> do

>>>>> you

>>>>> post one. Larry

>>>>>

>>>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> Please post a link to your thread, Larry.

>>>>>> --

>>>>>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

>>>>>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002

>>>>>> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net

>>>>>> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Larry wrote:

>>>>>>> Ken I also forget to mention that I did a hijackthis scan and sent

>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>> log

>>>>>>> file to a web site called Tech Guys for their inspection, a little

>>>>>>> while

>>>>>>> ago, this afternoon 5/14/08 Larry

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 May 2008 10:05:16 -0700, Larry

>>>>>>>> <Larry@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Hello Ken Blake I appoligize, yes I ment 512 mb of ram. The

>>>>>>>>> pc

>>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>> slow to boot and open apps. as well. I use the disk cleaner each

>>>>>>>>> day

>>>>>>>>> I

>>>>>>>>> defrag every day. I have software called advanced windows care v-2

>>>>>>>>> personnal I use each day, along with it's memory cleaner. A couple

>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>> weeks ago I downloaded AVG 8.0 free, ran the scan and after an

>>>>>>>>> hour

>>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>> results was 24568 warnings of possible infections.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> That's an *enormous* number. If you were that badly infected,

>>>>>>>> there's

>>>>>>>> an excellent chance that not everything was cleaned properly, and

>>>>>>>> you

>>>>>>>> are still infected.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> I'm usually very reluctant to recommend that someone reformat and

>>>>>>>> clean install, but with a system that badly compromised, that's

>>>>>>>> likely

>>>>>>>> your best course.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> I used the clean button to remove all of these, don't

>>>>>>>>> know if that was the right thing to do. My pc's software is

>>>>>>>>> nothing

>>>>>>>>> all

>>>>>>>>> that spectacular, Quicken 2005, Openoffice 2.4, Mozillia Firefox,

>>>>>>>>> Broderbund, ( a will making app.) and family search ( a geneology

>>>>>>>>> app.)

>>>>>>>>> Thats about all I use. So I don't know what is going on. If it

>>>>>>>>> help's

>>>>>>>>> my

>>>>>>>>> disk space is 37 gb with 84% free Larry

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 May 2008 08:47:03 -0700, Larry

>>>>>>>>>> <Larry@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Just wondering, is sp3 eating up all my ram or not. Since

>>>>>>>>>>> windows

>>>>>>>>>>> updated it to my pc, The pc is painfully slow, (like 6 minutes

>>>>>>>>>>> to

>>>>>>>>>>> reach

>>>>>>>>>>> my desktop, or is somthing else going on. On my disk space I

>>>>>>>>>>> still

>>>>>>>>>>> have 84% available. The ram I have is just 520 mg, so this might

>>>>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>>> problem?

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Several points:

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> 1. Wanting to minimize the amount of memory Windows uses is a

>>>>>>>>>> counterproductive desire. Windows is designed to use all, or

>>>>>>>>>> most,

>>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>> your memory, all the time, and that's good not bad. Free memory

>>>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>>> wasted memory. You paid for it all and shouldn't want to see any

>>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>> it

>>>>>>>>>> wasted.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Windows works hard to find a use for all the memory you have all

>>>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>> time. For example if your apps don't need some of it, it will use

>>>>>>>>>> that

>>>>>>>>>> part for caching, then give it back when your apps later need it.

>>>>>>>>>> In

>>>>>>>>>> this way Windows keeps all your memory working for you all the

>>>>>>>>>> time.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> 2. Is the computer just slow to boot, or is it also slow after

>>>>>>>>>> booting?

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> 3. You say "The ram I have is just 520 mg." I assume you mean

>>>>>>>>>> 512MB.

>>>>>>>>>> For most people, that's fine. How much RAM you need for good

>>>>>>>>>> performance is *not* a one-size-fits-all situation. You get good

>>>>>>>>>> performance if the amount of RAM you have keeps you from using

>>>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>> page file, and that depends on what apps you run. Most people

>>>>>>>>>> running

>>>>>>>>>> a typical range of business applications find that somewhere

>>>>>>>>>> around

>>>>>>>>>> 256-384MB works well, others need 512MB.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> --

>>>>>>>>>> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

>>>>>>>>>> Please Reply to the Newsgroup

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> --

>>>>>>>> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

>>>>>>>> Please Reply to the Newsgroup

May 16, 2008

Re: win xp sp3

Your right, I don't know why. I guess I has hoping someone wood answer.

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

> Thanks.

>

> May I ask why you chose to post your log there (again)? Looks like no one

> ever replied to either of your earlier threads:

>

> http://forums.techguy.org/malware-removal-hijackthis-logs/703986-combl-log-fix-log-hjt.html

> (Apr-08)

>

> http://forums.techguy.org/malware-removal-hijackthis-logs/675545-hijackthis-log.html

> (Jan-08)

> --

> ~PA Bear

>

> Larry wrote:

> > Hey Ken I told you I'm not real smart, again I'm sorry I think this is

> > the link you want Larry

> >

> > http://forums.techguy.org/malware-removal-hijackthis-logs/712186-pc-slow-infection-again.html

> >

> > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

> >

> >> Close but no cigar. That's a link to THIS thread. I'm asking for a link

> >> to your thread at http://forums.techguy.org.

> >>

> >> Larry wrote:

> >>> Pa Bear Here is the link you requested

> >>>

> >>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/newsgroups/reader.mspx?dg=microsoft.public.windowsxp.general&mid=2ebb2d16-7a92-412c-af54-01f660d0e70b

> >>>

> >>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

> >>>

> >>>> A link is the URL (http://......) that's displayed in Address Bar when

> >>>> you've opened your forum thread.

> >>>>

> >>>> Larry wrote:

> >>>>> I am not real tech smart, so don't laugh, but what is a link and how

> >>>>> do

> >>>>> you

> >>>>> post one. Larry

> >>>>>

> >>>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

> >>>>>

> >>>>>> Please post a link to your thread, Larry.

> >>>>>> --

> >>>>>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

> >>>>>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002

> >>>>>> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net

> >>>>>> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Larry wrote:

> >>>>>>> Ken I also forget to mention that I did a hijackthis scan and sent

> >>>>>>> the

> >>>>>>> log

> >>>>>>> file to a web site called Tech Guys for their inspection, a little

> >>>>>>> while

> >>>>>>> ago, this afternoon 5/14/08 Larry

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 May 2008 10:05:16 -0700, Larry

> >>>>>>>> <Larry@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> Hello Ken Blake I appoligize, yes I ment 512 mb of ram. The

> >>>>>>>>> pc

> >>>>>>>>> is

> >>>>>>>>> slow to boot and open apps. as well. I use the disk cleaner each

> >>>>>>>>> day

> >>>>>>>>> I

> >>>>>>>>> defrag every day. I have software called advanced windows care v-2

> >>>>>>>>> personnal I use each day, along with it's memory cleaner. A couple

> >>>>>>>>> of

> >>>>>>>>> weeks ago I downloaded AVG 8.0 free, ran the scan and after an

> >>>>>>>>> hour

> >>>>>>>>> the

> >>>>>>>>> results was 24568 warnings of possible infections.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> That's an *enormous* number. If you were that badly infected,

> >>>>>>>> there's

> >>>>>>>> an excellent chance that not everything was cleaned properly, and

> >>>>>>>> you

> >>>>>>>> are still infected.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> I'm usually very reluctant to recommend that someone reformat and

> >>>>>>>> clean install, but with a system that badly compromised, that's

> >>>>>>>> likely

> >>>>>>>> your best course.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> I used the clean button to remove all of these, don't

> >>>>>>>>> know if that was the right thing to do. My pc's software is

> >>>>>>>>> nothing

> >>>>>>>>> all

> >>>>>>>>> that spectacular, Quicken 2005, Openoffice 2.4, Mozillia Firefox,

> >>>>>>>>> Broderbund, ( a will making app.) and family search ( a geneology

> >>>>>>>>> app.)

> >>>>>>>>> Thats about all I use. So I don't know what is going on. If it

> >>>>>>>>> help's

> >>>>>>>>> my

> >>>>>>>>> disk space is 37 gb with 84% free Larry

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 May 2008 08:47:03 -0700, Larry

> >>>>>>>>>> <Larry@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> Just wondering, is sp3 eating up all my ram or not. Since

> >>>>>>>>>>> windows

> >>>>>>>>>>> updated it to my pc, The pc is painfully slow, (like 6 minutes

> >>>>>>>>>>> to

> >>>>>>>>>>> reach

> >>>>>>>>>>> my desktop, or is somthing else going on. On my disk space I

> >>>>>>>>>>> still

> >>>>>>>>>>> have 84% available. The ram I have is just 520 mg, so this might

> >>>>>>>>>>> the

> >>>>>>>>>>> problem?

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> Several points:

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> 1. Wanting to minimize the amount of memory Windows uses is a

> >>>>>>>>>> counterproductive desire. Windows is designed to use all, or

> >>>>>>>>>> most,

> >>>>>>>>>> of

> >>>>>>>>>> your memory, all the time, and that's good not bad. Free memory

> >>>>>>>>>> is

> >>>>>>>>>> wasted memory. You paid for it all and shouldn't want to see any

> >>>>>>>>>> of

> >>>>>>>>>> it

> >>>>>>>>>> wasted.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> Windows works hard to find a use for all the memory you have all

> >>>>>>>>>> the

> >>>>>>>>>> time. For example if your apps don't need some of it, it will use

> >>>>>>>>>> that

> >>>>>>>>>> part for caching, then give it back when your apps later need it.

> >>>>>>>>>> In

> >>>>>>>>>> this way Windows keeps all your memory working for you all the

> >>>>>>>>>> time.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> 2. Is the computer just slow to boot, or is it also slow after

> >>>>>>>>>> booting?

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> 3. You say "The ram I have is just 520 mg." I assume you mean

> >>>>>>>>>> 512MB.

> >>>>>>>>>> For most people, that's fine. How much RAM you need for good

> >>>>>>>>>> performance is *not* a one-size-fits-all situation. You get good

> >>>>>>>>>> performance if the amount of RAM you have keeps you from using

> >>>>>>>>>> the

> >>>>>>>>>> page file, and that depends on what apps you run. Most people

> >>>>>>>>>> running

> >>>>>>>>>> a typical range of business applications find that somewhere

> >>>>>>>>>> around

> >>>>>>>>>> 256-384MB works well, others need 512MB.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> --

> >>>>>>>>>> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

> >>>>>>>>>> Please Reply to the Newsgroup

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> --

> >>>>>>>> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

> >>>>>>>> Please Reply to the Newsgroup

>

May 16, 2008

Re: win xp sp3

Pa Bear I did some unstalling of Advanced Windows Care, and my though is

that that program was using up all my resources. After uninstall, Apps. open

faster, IE7 is more responsive as well. I think for now I'll call this one

"solved" Thanks to you and Ken for all your thoughts Larry

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

> Thanks.

>

> May I ask why you chose to post your log there (again)? Looks like no one

> ever replied to either of your earlier threads:

>

> http://forums.techguy.org/malware-removal-hijackthis-logs/703986-combl-log-fix-log-hjt.html

> (Apr-08)

>

> http://forums.techguy.org/malware-removal-hijackthis-logs/675545-hijackthis-log.html

> (Jan-08)

> --

> ~PA Bear

>

> Larry wrote:

> > Hey Ken I told you I'm not real smart, again I'm sorry I think this is

> > the link you want Larry

> >

> > http://forums.techguy.org/malware-removal-hijackthis-logs/712186-pc-slow-infection-again.html

> >

> > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

> >

> >> Close but no cigar. That's a link to THIS thread. I'm asking for a link

> >> to your thread at http://forums.techguy.org.

> >>

> >> Larry wrote:

> >>> Pa Bear Here is the link you requested

> >>>

> >>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/newsgroups/reader.mspx?dg=microsoft.public.windowsxp.general&mid=2ebb2d16-7a92-412c-af54-01f660d0e70b

> >>>

> >>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

> >>>

> >>>> A link is the URL (http://......) that's displayed in Address Bar when

> >>>> you've opened your forum thread.

> >>>>

> >>>> Larry wrote:

> >>>>> I am not real tech smart, so don't laugh, but what is a link and how

> >>>>> do

> >>>>> you

> >>>>> post one. Larry

> >>>>>

> >>>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

> >>>>>

> >>>>>> Please post a link to your thread, Larry.

> >>>>>> --

> >>>>>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

> >>>>>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002

> >>>>>> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net

> >>>>>> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Larry wrote:

> >>>>>>> Ken I also forget to mention that I did a hijackthis scan and sent

> >>>>>>> the

> >>>>>>> log

> >>>>>>> file to a web site called Tech Guys for their inspection, a little

> >>>>>>> while

> >>>>>>> ago, this afternoon 5/14/08 Larry

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 May 2008 10:05:16 -0700, Larry

> >>>>>>>> <Larry@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> Hello Ken Blake I appoligize, yes I ment 512 mb of ram. The

> >>>>>>>>> pc

> >>>>>>>>> is

> >>>>>>>>> slow to boot and open apps. as well. I use the disk cleaner each

> >>>>>>>>> day

> >>>>>>>>> I

> >>>>>>>>> defrag every day. I have software called advanced windows care v-2

> >>>>>>>>> personnal I use each day, along with it's memory cleaner. A couple

> >>>>>>>>> of

> >>>>>>>>> weeks ago I downloaded AVG 8.0 free, ran the scan and after an

> >>>>>>>>> hour

> >>>>>>>>> the

> >>>>>>>>> results was 24568 warnings of possible infections.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> That's an *enormous* number. If you were that badly infected,

> >>>>>>>> there's

> >>>>>>>> an excellent chance that not everything was cleaned properly, and

> >>>>>>>> you

> >>>>>>>> are still infected.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> I'm usually very reluctant to recommend that someone reformat and

> >>>>>>>> clean install, but with a system that badly compromised, that's

> >>>>>>>> likely

> >>>>>>>> your best course.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> I used the clean button to remove all of these, don't

> >>>>>>>>> know if that was the right thing to do. My pc's software is

> >>>>>>>>> nothing

> >>>>>>>>> all

> >>>>>>>>> that spectacular, Quicken 2005, Openoffice 2.4, Mozillia Firefox,

> >>>>>>>>> Broderbund, ( a will making app.) and family search ( a geneology

> >>>>>>>>> app.)

> >>>>>>>>> Thats about all I use. So I don't know what is going on. If it

> >>>>>>>>> help's

> >>>>>>>>> my

> >>>>>>>>> disk space is 37 gb with 84% free Larry

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 May 2008 08:47:03 -0700, Larry

> >>>>>>>>>> <Larry@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> Just wondering, is sp3 eating up all my ram or not. Since

> >>>>>>>>>>> windows

> >>>>>>>>>>> updated it to my pc, The pc is painfully slow, (like 6 minutes

> >>>>>>>>>>> to

> >>>>>>>>>>> reach

> >>>>>>>>>>> my desktop, or is somthing else going on. On my disk space I

> >>>>>>>>>>> still

> >>>>>>>>>>> have 84% available. The ram I have is just 520 mg, so this might

> >>>>>>>>>>> the

> >>>>>>>>>>> problem?

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> Several points:

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> 1. Wanting to minimize the amount of memory Windows uses is a

> >>>>>>>>>> counterproductive desire. Windows is designed to use all, or

> >>>>>>>>>> most,

> >>>>>>>>>> of

> >>>>>>>>>> your memory, all the time, and that's good not bad. Free memory

> >>>>>>>>>> is

> >>>>>>>>>> wasted memory. You paid for it all and shouldn't want to see any

> >>>>>>>>>> of

> >>>>>>>>>> it

> >>>>>>>>>> wasted.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> Windows works hard to find a use for all the memory you have all

> >>>>>>>>>> the

> >>>>>>>>>> time. For example if your apps don't need some of it, it will use

> >>>>>>>>>> that

> >>>>>>>>>> part for caching, then give it back when your apps later need it.

> >>>>>>>>>> In

> >>>>>>>>>> this way Windows keeps all your memory working for you all the

> >>>>>>>>>> time.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> 2. Is the computer just slow to boot, or is it also slow after

> >>>>>>>>>> booting?

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> 3. You say "The ram I have is just 520 mg." I assume you mean

> >>>>>>>>>> 512MB.

> >>>>>>>>>> For most people, that's fine. How much RAM you need for good

> >>>>>>>>>> performance is *not* a one-size-fits-all situation. You get good

> >>>>>>>>>> performance if the amount of RAM you have keeps you from using

> >>>>>>>>>> the

> >>>>>>>>>> page file, and that depends on what apps you run. Most people

> >>>>>>>>>> running

> >>>>>>>>>> a typical range of business applications find that somewhere

> >>>>>>>>>> around

> >>>>>>>>>> 256-384MB works well, others need 512MB.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> --

> >>>>>>>>>> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

> >>>>>>>>>> Please Reply to the Newsgroup

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> --

> >>>>>>>> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

> >>>>>>>> Please Reply to the Newsgroup

>

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