Backup/Restore suggestions for XP, and Vista

May 14, 2008

Any suggestions for "complete" backup/restore SW for XP

Pro? And that can be eventually migrated to Vista?

I need "complete" backup/restore for data retention, image

recovery, boot restore, (int)(ext)ernal large HD, and (E)-

SATA support.

The obvious answers, Acronis and Ghost, seem not to have

unanimously glowing feedback on Amazon.

Or, are the feedback just flawed?

Acronis:

http://www.amazon.com/review/product/B000VLZCEW/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?%5Fencoding=UTF8&showViewpoints=1

Ghost:

http://www.amazon.com/review/product/B0012YKRSI/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?%5Fencoding=UTF8&showViewpoints=1

Thanks you very much,

Gary

May 14, 2008

Re: Backup/Restore suggestions for XP, and Vista

unfortunately, the

glowing feedbacks

from many users

that have successfully

used those software's

are rarely posted.

in doing so, there

would likely be thousands

of postings, perhaps

millions.

there is no perfect

backup solution nor

should you believe that

there is one.

however, an ideal solution

would be the methodology

you build that is perfect

for your situation/scenario.

perhaps, you might want

to look into Microsoft's

home server technology.

if anything can be considered

reliable enough to protect

your operating system and

data, it should be from the

makers of that operating

system.

--

db·´¯`·...¸><)))º>

"Anonymous" <com@com.com> wrote in message

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> Any suggestions for "complete" backup/restore SW for XP

> Pro? And that can be eventually migrated to Vista?

>

> I need "complete" backup/restore for data retention, image

> recovery, boot restore, (int)(ext)ernal large HD, and (E)-

> SATA support.

>

> The obvious answers, Acronis and Ghost, seem not to have

> unanimously glowing feedback on Amazon.

>

> Or, are the feedback just flawed?

>

> Acronis:

> http://www.amazon.com/review/product/B000VLZCEW/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?%5Fencoding=UTF8&showViewpoints=1

>

> Ghost:

> http://www.amazon.com/review/product/B0012YKRSI/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?%5Fencoding=UTF8&showViewpoints=1

>

> Thanks you very much,

>

> Gary

>

May 14, 2008

Re: Backup/Restore suggestions for XP, and Vista

Anonymous <com@com.com> wrote:

> Any suggestions for "complete" backup/restore SW for XP

> Pro? And that can be eventually migrated to Vista?

>

> I need "complete" backup/restore for data retention, image

> recovery, boot restore, (int)(ext)ernal large HD, and (E)-

> SATA support.

>

> The obvious answers, Acronis and Ghost, seem not to have

> unanimously glowing feedback on Amazon.

>

> Or, are the feedback just flawed?

>

> Acronis:

> http://www.amazon.com/review/product/B000VLZCEW/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?%5Fencoding=UTF8&showViewpoints=1

>

> Ghost:

> http://www.amazon.com/review/product/B0012YKRSI/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?%5Fencoding=UTF8&showViewpoints=1

>

> Thanks you very much,

>

> Gary

I don't know about the Amazon reviews, but I've been using Acronis for years

and have been universally pleased. Get the full workstation (not home)

version with universal restore.

May 14, 2008

Re: Backup/Restore suggestions for XP, and Vista

I'd read/heard many accolades for Acronis on various sites/

NG's. That's why I was quite surprised at the Amazon criti-

cism's. I've actually been very happy with Ntbackup, despite

what other's may say. I guess that's an accurate example of

the non-glowing feedback ratio you describe.

Thanks.

" db.·.. ><))) ·>` .. ." <databaseben.public.newsgroup.microsoft.com> wrote

in message news:uleVZZetIHA.1872@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> unfortunately, the

> glowing feedbacks

> from many users

> that have successfully

> used those software's

> are rarely posted.

>

> in doing so, there

> would likely be thousands

> of postings, perhaps

> millions.

>

> there is no perfect

> backup solution nor

> should you believe that

> there is one.

>

> however, an ideal solution

> would be the methodology

> you build that is perfect

> for your situation/scenario.

>

> perhaps, you might want

> to look into Microsoft's

> home server technology.

>

> if anything can be considered

> reliable enough to protect

> your operating system and

> data, it should be from the

> makers of that operating

> system.

>

> --

>

> db·´¯`·...¸><)))º>

>

> "Anonymous" <com@com.com> wrote in message

> news:CsEWj.3224$7k7.3164@flpi150.ffdc.sbc.com...

>> Any suggestions for "complete" backup/restore SW for XP

>> Pro? And that can be eventually migrated to Vista?

>>

>> I need "complete" backup/restore for data retention, image

>> recovery, boot restore, (int)(ext)ernal large HD, and (E)-

>> SATA support.

>>

>> The obvious answers, Acronis and Ghost, seem not to have

>> unanimously glowing feedback on Amazon.

>>

>> Or, are the feedback just flawed?

>>

>> Acronis:

>> http://www.amazon.com/review/product/B000VLZCEW/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?%5Fencoding=UTF8&showViewpoints=1

>>

>> Ghost:

>> http://www.amazon.com/review/product/B0012YKRSI/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?%5Fencoding=UTF8&showViewpoints=1

>>

>> Thanks you very much,

>>

>> Gary

>>

>

May 14, 2008

Re: Backup/Restore suggestions for XP, and Vista

Thanks for the tip. Maybe the workstation version is my

answer.

Thanks again....

"Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"

<lanwench@heybuddy.donotsendme.unsolicitedmailatyahoo.com> wrote in message

news:esmsGhetIHA.4376@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> Anonymous <com@com.com> wrote:

>> Any suggestions for "complete" backup/restore SW for XP

>> Pro? And that can be eventually migrated to Vista?

>>

>> I need "complete" backup/restore for data retention, image

>> recovery, boot restore, (int)(ext)ernal large HD, and (E)-

>> SATA support.

>>

>> The obvious answers, Acronis and Ghost, seem not to have

>> unanimously glowing feedback on Amazon.

>>

>> Or, are the feedback just flawed?

>>

>> Acronis:

>> http://www.amazon.com/review/product/B000VLZCEW/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?%5Fencoding=UTF8&showViewpoints=1

>>

>> Ghost:

>> http://www.amazon.com/review/product/B0012YKRSI/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?%5Fencoding=UTF8&showViewpoints=1

>>

>> Thanks you very much,

>>

>> Gary

>

> I don't know about the Amazon reviews, but I've been using Acronis for

> years and have been universally pleased. Get the full workstation (not

> home) version with universal restore.

>

May 14, 2008

Re: Backup/Restore suggestions for XP, and Vista

Lanwench [MVP - Exchange] wrote:

> Anonymous <com@com.com> wrote:

>> Any suggestions for "complete" backup/restore SW for XP

>> Pro? And that can be eventually migrated to Vista?

>>

>> I need "complete" backup/restore for data retention, image

>> recovery, boot restore, (int)(ext)ernal large HD, and (E)-

>> SATA support.

>>

>> The obvious answers, Acronis and Ghost, seem not to have

>> unanimously glowing feedback on Amazon.

>>

>> Or, are the feedback just flawed?

>>

>> Acronis:

>> http://www.amazon.com/review/product/B000VLZCEW/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?%5Fencoding=UTF8&showViewpoints=1

>>

>> Ghost:

>> http://www.amazon.com/review/product/B0012YKRSI/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?%5Fencoding=UTF8&showViewpoints=1

>>

>> Thanks you very much,

>>

>> Gary

>

> I don't know about the Amazon reviews, but I've been using Acronis for years

> and have been universally pleased. Get the full workstation (not home)

> version with universal restore.

>

Again this is the "what works for you" story.

I use two backups. JUST TO MAKE SURE.

I use Acronis True Image Home to do an image, this copies everything.

(and it seems to work for me okay, of course I'm not crossing between XP

and Vista). Then I use stomp soft backup to backup just files. I've

learned what I need and it does a small 2-3 gig backup of my 'I need

files'. Between the two I can restore my system without more than a

few settings. And those I'm working on too.

May 14, 2008

Re: Backup/Restore suggestions for XP, and Vista

Big Al <BigAl@nowhere.com> wrote:

>Lanwench [MVP - Exchange] wrote:

>> Anonymous <com@com.com> wrote:

>>

>> I don't know about the Amazon reviews, but I've been using Acronis for years

>> and have been universally pleased. Get the full workstation (not home)

>> version with universal restore.

>>

>Again this is the "what works for you" story.

>I use two backups. JUST TO MAKE SURE.

>I use Acronis True Image Home to do an image, this copies everything.

>(and it seems to work for me okay, of course I'm not crossing between XP

>and Vista). Then I use stomp soft backup to backup just files.

Why don't you use ATI for both? It will DO both.

May 14, 2008

Re: Backup/Restore suggestions for XP, and Vista

PD43 wrote:

> Big Al <BigAl@nowhere.com> wrote:

>

>> Lanwench [MVP - Exchange] wrote:

>>> Anonymous <com@com.com> wrote:

>>>

>>> I don't know about the Amazon reviews, but I've been using Acronis for years

>>> and have been universally pleased. Get the full workstation (not home)

>>> version with universal restore.

>>>

>> Again this is the "what works for you" story.

>> I use two backups. JUST TO MAKE SURE.

>> I use Acronis True Image Home to do an image, this copies everything.

>> (and it seems to work for me okay, of course I'm not crossing between XP

>> and Vista). Then I use stomp soft backup to backup just files.

>

> Why don't you use ATI for both? It will DO both.

Its a hang over from old days, I've had stomp for years. It allows me

to make a config file listing just what I want to backup. Not sure ATI

does that. I've only had ATI for 4 months and only use it to make

clones so far. I've used ATI to restore files from the clone, as I

forgot a file on my last backup that was only on the clone. Anyway the

stomp 'file' backup is a one click and its done.

If I can config ATI, I'll look into it and yes, one less program on the

machine.

May 15, 2008

Re: Backup/Restore suggestions for XP, and Vista

"Big Al" <BigAl@nowhere.com> wrote in message

news:vFGWj.7942$Uz2.2016@trnddc06...

> Lanwench [MVP - Exchange] wrote:

>> Anonymous <com@com.com> wrote:

>>> Any suggestions for "complete" backup/restore SW for XP

>>> Pro? And that can be eventually migrated to Vista?

>>>

>>> I need "complete" backup/restore for data retention, image

>>> recovery, boot restore, (int)(ext)ernal large HD, and (E)-

>>> SATA support.

>>>

>>> The obvious answers, Acronis and Ghost, seem not to have

>>> unanimously glowing feedback on Amazon.

>>>

>>> Or, are the feedback just flawed?

>>>

>>> Acronis:

>>> http://www.amazon.com/review/product/B000VLZCEW/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?%5Fencoding=UTF8&showViewpoints=1

>>>

>>> Ghost:

>>> http://www.amazon.com/review/product/B0012YKRSI/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?%5Fencoding=UTF8&showViewpoints=1

>>>

>>> Thanks you very much,

>>>

>>> Gary

>>

>> I don't know about the Amazon reviews, but I've been using Acronis for

>> years and have been universally pleased. Get the full workstation (not

>> home) version with universal restore.

>>

> Again this is the "what works for you" story.

> I use two backups. JUST TO MAKE SURE.

> I use Acronis True Image Home to do an image, this copies everything. (and

> it seems to work for me okay, of course I'm not crossing between XP and

> Vista). Then I use stomp soft backup to backup just files. I've learned

> what I need and it does a small 2-3 gig backup of my 'I need files'.

> Between the two I can restore my system without more than a few settings.

> And those I'm working on too.

>

As I stated in another reply, I've always been quite happy

simply using Ntbackup. However, I break out in sweats

everytime I consider the work necessary to recover a

dead system with only an Ntbackup image available.

Thanks.

May 15, 2008

Re: Backup/Restore suggestions for XP, and Vista

Acronis True Image (TI) works great.

Still haven't used TI to make a backup "clone" of the system, when an

"image" backup to an external USB HD enclosure drive does the trick for me.

(I never pull out that drive - it's a pain to do, so a "clone" won't work

well for me). Anytime I want to restore the backup, I just restore the

image to the source drive. Works fine here, and the source drive stays

put (no swapping of drives).

Big Al wrote:

> PD43 wrote:

>> Big Al <BigAl@nowhere.com> wrote:

>>

>>> Lanwench [MVP - Exchange] wrote:

>>>> Anonymous <com@com.com> wrote:

>>>>

>>>> I don't know about the Amazon reviews, but I've been using Acronis for

>>>> years and have been universally pleased. Get the full workstation (not

>>>> home) version with universal restore.

>>>>

>>> Again this is the "what works for you" story.

>>> I use two backups. JUST TO MAKE SURE.

>>> I use Acronis True Image Home to do an image, this copies everything.

>>> (and it seems to work for me okay, of course I'm not crossing between XP

>>> and Vista). Then I use stomp soft backup to backup just files.

>>

>> Why don't you use ATI for both? It will DO both.

> Its a hang over from old days, I've had stomp for years. It allows me

> to make a config file listing just what I want to backup. Not sure ATI

> does that. I've only had ATI for 4 months and only use it to make

> clones so far. I've used ATI to restore files from the clone, as I

> forgot a file on my last backup that was only on the clone. Anyway the

> stomp 'file' backup is a one click and its done.

> If I can config ATI, I'll look into it and yes, one less program on the

> machine.

May 15, 2008

Re: Backup/Restore suggestions for XP, and Vista

Thanks.

"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

news:%23PAHERktIHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> Acronis True Image (TI) works great.

>

> Still haven't used TI to make a backup "clone" of the system, when an

> "image" backup to an external USB HD enclosure drive does the trick for

> me. (I never pull out that drive - it's a pain to do, so a "clone" won't

> work well for me). Anytime I want to restore the backup, I just restore

> the image to the source drive. Works fine here, and the source drive

> stays put (no swapping of drives).

>

> Big Al wrote:

>> PD43 wrote:

>>> Big Al <BigAl@nowhere.com> wrote:

>>>

>>>> Lanwench [MVP - Exchange] wrote:

>>>>> Anonymous <com@com.com> wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>> I don't know about the Amazon reviews, but I've been using Acronis for

>>>>> years and have been universally pleased. Get the full workstation (not

>>>>> home) version with universal restore.

>>>>>

>>>> Again this is the "what works for you" story.

>>>> I use two backups. JUST TO MAKE SURE.

>>>> I use Acronis True Image Home to do an image, this copies everything.

>>>> (and it seems to work for me okay, of course I'm not crossing between

>>>> XP

>>>> and Vista). Then I use stomp soft backup to backup just files.

>>>

>>> Why don't you use ATI for both? It will DO both.

>> Its a hang over from old days, I've had stomp for years. It allows me

>> to make a config file listing just what I want to backup. Not sure ATI

>> does that. I've only had ATI for 4 months and only use it to make

>> clones so far. I've used ATI to restore files from the clone, as I

>> forgot a file on my last backup that was only on the clone. Anyway the

>> stomp 'file' backup is a one click and its done.

>> If I can config ATI, I'll look into it and yes, one less program on the

>> machine.

>

May 15, 2008

Re: Backup/Restore suggestions for XP, and Vista

I posted this text here recently, soliciting various backup

and restore product experiences.

Thanks to all who provided helpful replies.

Additionally, during my recent 5/15 reply to:

http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/browse_frm/thread/9dc13c9126832009?hl=en#

it caused me to recall a product that I'd used in the past be-

cause it was provided with an ExHD product I purchased.

The company is CMS Products:

http://www.cmsproducts.com/

and they provide competing backup/restore systems along

with various optional hardware. My experience with their

backup/restore software was positive, but it was just an

entry level product shipped with a piece of hardware that

I bought.

Their site uses some youtube video to demonstrate some of

their product operations. I'm going to look closer, and I sugg-

est those here still looking for backup/restore/recovery solu-

tions take a look also.

As usual, my disclaimer is that I have no personal/business/

financial interest in this CMS products, or anyone in/around

their organization. My only interest is as a former user.

Thanks again, for all the helpful comments.

Gary

"Anonymous" <com@com.com> wrote in message

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> Any suggestions for "complete" backup/restore SW for XP

> Pro? And that can be eventually migrated to Vista?

>

> I need "complete" backup/restore for data retention, image

> recovery, boot restore, (int)(ext)ernal large HD, and (E)-

> SATA support.

>

> The obvious answers, Acronis and Ghost, seem not to have

> unanimously glowing feedback on Amazon.

>

> Or, are the feedback just flawed?

>

> Acronis:

> http://www.amazon.com/review/product/B000VLZCEW/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?%5Fencoding=UTF8&showViewpoints=1

>

> Ghost:

> http://www.amazon.com/review/product/B0012YKRSI/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?%5Fencoding=UTF8&showViewpoints=1

>

> Thanks you very much,

>

> Gary

>

May 15, 2008

Re: Backup/Restore suggestions for XP, and Vista

The last couple of editions of True Image have been both XP and Vista (x86

and x64) compatible. You can't miss.

"Anonymous" <com@com.com> wrote in message

news:PdQWj.108$Q57.52@nlpi065.nbdc.sbc.com...

>

> Thanks.

>

> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

> news:%23PAHERktIHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>> Acronis True Image (TI) works great.

>>

>> Still haven't used TI to make a backup "clone" of the system, when an

>> "image" backup to an external USB HD enclosure drive does the trick for

>> me. (I never pull out that drive - it's a pain to do, so a "clone" won't

>> work well for me). Anytime I want to restore the backup, I just restore

>> the image to the source drive. Works fine here, and the source drive

>> stays put (no swapping of drives).

>>

>> Big Al wrote:

>>> PD43 wrote:

>>>> Big Al <BigAl@nowhere.com> wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> Lanwench [MVP - Exchange] wrote:

>>>>>> Anonymous <com@com.com> wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I don't know about the Amazon reviews, but I've been using Acronis

>>>>>> for

>>>>>> years and have been universally pleased. Get the full workstation

>>>>>> (not

>>>>>> home) version with universal restore.

>>>>>>

>>>>> Again this is the "what works for you" story.

>>>>> I use two backups. JUST TO MAKE SURE.

>>>>> I use Acronis True Image Home to do an image, this copies everything.

>>>>> (and it seems to work for me okay, of course I'm not crossing between

>>>>> XP

>>>>> and Vista). Then I use stomp soft backup to backup just files.

>>>>

>>>> Why don't you use ATI for both? It will DO both.

>>> Its a hang over from old days, I've had stomp for years. It allows me

>>> to make a config file listing just what I want to backup. Not sure ATI

>>> does that. I've only had ATI for 4 months and only use it to make

>>> clones so far. I've used ATI to restore files from the clone, as I

>>> forgot a file on my last backup that was only on the clone. Anyway the

>>> stomp 'file' backup is a one click and its done.

>>> If I can config ATI, I'll look into it and yes, one less program on the

>>> machine.

>>

>

May 15, 2008

Re: Backup/Restore suggestions for XP, and Vista

Thank you.

"Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message

news:378AA5DE-6F6D-4F86-8919-CA2618317935@microsoft.com...

> The last couple of editions of True Image have been both XP and Vista (x86

> and x64) compatible. You can't miss.

>

> "Anonymous" <com@com.com> wrote in message

> news:PdQWj.108$Q57.52@nlpi065.nbdc.sbc.com...

>>

>> Thanks.

>>

>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

>> news:%23PAHERktIHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>> Acronis True Image (TI) works great.

>>>

>>> Still haven't used TI to make a backup "clone" of the system, when an

>>> "image" backup to an external USB HD enclosure drive does the trick for

>>> me. (I never pull out that drive - it's a pain to do, so a "clone" won't

>>> work well for me). Anytime I want to restore the backup, I just

>>> restore the image to the source drive. Works fine here, and the

>>> source drive stays put (no swapping of drives).

>>>

>>> Big Al wrote:

>>>> PD43 wrote:

>>>>> Big Al <BigAl@nowhere.com> wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> Lanwench [MVP - Exchange] wrote:

>>>>>>> Anonymous <com@com.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I don't know about the Amazon reviews, but I've been using Acronis

>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>> years and have been universally pleased. Get the full workstation

>>>>>>> (not

>>>>>>> home) version with universal restore.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>> Again this is the "what works for you" story.

>>>>>> I use two backups. JUST TO MAKE SURE.

>>>>>> I use Acronis True Image Home to do an image, this copies everything.

>>>>>> (and it seems to work for me okay, of course I'm not crossing between

>>>>>> XP

>>>>>> and Vista). Then I use stomp soft backup to backup just files.

>>>>>

>>>>> Why don't you use ATI for both? It will DO both.

>>>> Its a hang over from old days, I've had stomp for years. It allows me

>>>> to make a config file listing just what I want to backup. Not sure ATI

>>>> does that. I've only had ATI for 4 months and only use it to make

>>>> clones so far. I've used ATI to restore files from the clone, as I

>>>> forgot a file on my last backup that was only on the clone. Anyway

>>>> the

>>>> stomp 'file' backup is a one click and its done.

>>>> If I can config ATI, I'll look into it and yes, one less program on the

>>>> machine.

>>>

>>

>

May 15, 2008

Re: Backup/Restore suggestions for XP, and Vista

Anonymous wrote:

> Any suggestions for "complete" backup/restore SW for XP

> Pro? And that can be eventually migrated to Vista?

>

> I need "complete" backup/restore for data retention, image

> recovery, boot restore, (int)(ext)ernal large HD, and (E)-

> SATA support.

>

> The obvious answers, Acronis and Ghost, seem not to have

> unanimously glowing feedback on Amazon.

>

> Or, are the feedback just flawed?

>

> Acronis:

> http://www.amazon.com/review/product/B000VLZCEW/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?%5Fencoding=UTF8&showViewpoints=1

>

> Ghost:

> http://www.amazon.com/review/product/B0012YKRSI/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?%5Fencoding=UTF8&showViewpoints=1

Another alternative. Better than the others IME.

http://www.paragon-software.com/home/hdm-personal/

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May 15, 2008

Re: Backup/Restore suggestions for XP, and Vista

Not for $35. Lets see, $35 or 35 hours restoring? Hmmmmm :-)

Colin Barnhorst wrote:

> The last couple of editions of True Image have been both XP and Vista

> (x86 and x64) compatible. You can't miss.

>

> "Anonymous" <com@com.com> wrote in message

> news:PdQWj.108$Q57.52@nlpi065.nbdc.sbc.com...

>>

>> Thanks.

>>

>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

>> news:%23PAHERktIHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>> Acronis True Image (TI) works great.

>>>

>>> Still haven't used TI to make a backup "clone" of the system, when an

>>> "image" backup to an external USB HD enclosure drive does the trick

>>> for me. (I never pull out that drive - it's a pain to do, so a

>>> "clone" won't work well for me). Anytime I want to restore the

>>> backup, I just restore the image to the source drive. Works fine

>>> here, and the source drive stays put (no swapping of drives).

>>>

>>> Big Al wrote:

>>>> PD43 wrote:

>>>>> Big Al <BigAl@nowhere.com> wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> Lanwench [MVP - Exchange] wrote:

>>>>>>> Anonymous <com@com.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I don't know about the Amazon reviews, but I've been using

>>>>>>> Acronis for

>>>>>>> years and have been universally pleased. Get the full workstation

>>>>>>> (not

>>>>>>> home) version with universal restore.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>> Again this is the "what works for you" story.

>>>>>> I use two backups. JUST TO MAKE SURE.

>>>>>> I use Acronis True Image Home to do an image, this copies everything.

>>>>>> (and it seems to work for me okay, of course I'm not crossing

>>>>>> between XP

>>>>>> and Vista). Then I use stomp soft backup to backup just files.

>>>>>

>>>>> Why don't you use ATI for both? It will DO both.

>>>> Its a hang over from old days, I've had stomp for years. It allows me

>>>> to make a config file listing just what I want to backup. Not sure ATI

>>>> does that. I've only had ATI for 4 months and only use it to make

>>>> clones so far. I've used ATI to restore files from the clone, as I

>>>> forgot a file on my last backup that was only on the clone. Anyway

>>>> the

>>>> stomp 'file' backup is a one click and its done.

>>>> If I can config ATI, I'll look into it and yes, one less program on the

>>>> machine.

>>>

>>

>

May 15, 2008

Re: Backup/Restore suggestions for XP, and Vista

"dadiOH" <dadiOH@invalid.com> wrote in message

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> Anonymous wrote:

>> Any suggestions for "complete" backup/restore SW for XP

>> Pro? And that can be eventually migrated to Vista?

>>

>> I need "complete" backup/restore for data retention, image

>> recovery, boot restore, (int)(ext)ernal large HD, and (E)-

>> SATA support.

>>

>> The obvious answers, Acronis and Ghost, seem not to have

>> unanimously glowing feedback on Amazon.

>>

>> Or, are the feedback just flawed?

>>

>> Acronis:

>> http://www.amazon.com/review/product/B000VLZCEW/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?%5Fencoding=UTF8&showViewpoints=1

>>

>> Ghost:

>> http://www.amazon.com/review/product/B0012YKRSI/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?%5Fencoding=UTF8&showViewpoints=1

>

> Another alternative. Better than the others IME.

> http://www.paragon-software.com/home/hdm-personal/

>

> --

>

> dadiOH

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Thanks, I'll look there also.

May 15, 2008

Re: Backup/Restore suggestions for XP, and Vista

----- Original Message -----

From: "Anonymous" <com@com.com>

Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.general

Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 12:35 PM

Subject: Re: Backup/Restore suggestions for XP, and Vista

>

> "dadiOH" <dadiOH@invalid.com> wrote in message

> news:Ot2vzSntIHA.5268@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> > Anonymous wrote:

> >> Any suggestions for "complete" backup/restore SW for XP

> >> Pro? And that can be eventually migrated to Vista?

> >>

> >> I need "complete" backup/restore for data retention, image

> >> recovery, boot restore, (int)(ext)ernal large HD, and (E)-

> >> SATA support.

> >>

> >> The obvious answers, Acronis and Ghost, seem not to have

> >> unanimously glowing feedback on Amazon.

> >>

> >> Or, are the feedback just flawed?

All backup software will have some negative feedback, imaging software even

moreso.

I've used several tools over the years. My current favourite is Acronis True

Image Home.

Acronis True Image Home can do a complete image of your drive, so in the

event of a drive failure you just install a replacement drive and restore

your recent image to the new drive. Everything will be exactly as you left

it before the old drive failed: Windows (or whatever OS you use), all

applications, all your settings and config, all your data.

Or, you can use Acronis True Image Home to backup just your documents and

settings, or just specific files, or whatever you want. You can schedule

automated backups, can do full, incremental and differential backups, etc.

It's a great tool that has saved me a few times.

May 15, 2008

Re: Backup/Restore suggestions for XP, and Vista

"Tuttle" <nospamhere@notarealaddressnospam.gs> wrote in message

news:OcOY39rtIHA.5500@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: "Anonymous" <com@com.com>

> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.general

> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 12:35 PM

> Subject: Re: Backup/Restore suggestions for XP, and Vista

>

>>

>> "dadiOH" <dadiOH@invalid.com> wrote in message

>> news:Ot2vzSntIHA.5268@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>> > Anonymous wrote:

>> >> Any suggestions for "complete" backup/restore SW for XP

>> >> Pro? And that can be eventually migrated to Vista?

>> >>

>> >> I need "complete" backup/restore for data retention, image

>> >> recovery, boot restore, (int)(ext)ernal large HD, and (E)-

>> >> SATA support.

>> >>

>> >> The obvious answers, Acronis and Ghost, seem not to have

>> >> unanimously glowing feedback on Amazon.

>> >>

>> >> Or, are the feedback just flawed?

>

> All backup software will have some negative feedback, imaging software

> even

> moreso.

>

> I've used several tools over the years. My current favourite is Acronis

> True

> Image Home.

>

> Acronis True Image Home can do a complete image of your drive, so in the

> event of a drive failure you just install a replacement drive and restore

> your recent image to the new drive. Everything will be exactly as you left

> it before the old drive failed: Windows (or whatever OS you use), all

> applications, all your settings and config, all your data.

>

> Or, you can use Acronis True Image Home to backup just your documents and

> settings, or just specific files, or whatever you want. You can schedule

> automated backups, can do full, incremental and differential backups, etc.

> It's a great tool that has saved me a few times.

>

I've had similar replies, including the suggestion to use the

Acronis Workstation version, rather than Home.

Like you, my years of Ntbackup usage have been quite

positive, meeting all my needs for a backup.

However, although Ntbackup will easily protect against

accidental loss, it is either unable, or quite cumbersome

at providing recovery, or bare metal restore.

I have to admit that the backup product from CMS looks

quite attractive though. Because I like the idea of simply

rebooting the backup image for a quick recovery. Watch

this video:

http://www.cmsproducts.com/video/desktop_backup.html

Unfortunately, I'm not familiar with E/SATA, and support

would require my upgrade. But, I'd get the functionality

described, in addition to the significantly higher speeds.

One of the Amazon reviewers complaints on Acronis TI

Home was that E/SATA was not currently supported. I

guess I would've thought a backup product would simply

rely on the OS for peripheral access.

I'm currently investigating this "boot from backup" on an

external drive issue. What it takes? (E/SATA, Firewire,

etc?), and what I've have to upgrade. But, I like the idea.

Not only is it easier, but simple testing of a crash recovery

requires no intermediate restore. Much less exposure to

error.

Additionally, because the backup image is stored in native

format(non-composite), even lost file restores are easier.

And FAT limitations are avoided for users of that archi-

tecture.

Thanks.

May 15, 2008

Re: Backup/Restore suggestions for XP, and Vista

"Anonymous" <com@com.com> wrote in message

news:5q1Xj.3224$ah4.2192@flpi148.ffdc.sbc.com...

> I've had similar replies, including the suggestion to use the

> Acronis Workstation version, rather than Home.

>

> Like you, my years of Ntbackup usage have been quite

> positive, meeting all my needs for a backup.

>

> However, although Ntbackup will easily protect against

> accidental loss, it is either unable, or quite cumbersome

> at providing recovery, or bare metal restore.

>

> I have to admit that the backup product from CMS looks

> quite attractive though. Because I like the idea of simply

> rebooting the backup image for a quick recovery. Watch

> this video:

> http://www.cmsproducts.com/video/desktop_backup.html

>

> Unfortunately, I'm not familiar with E/SATA, and support

> would require my upgrade. But, I'd get the functionality

> described, in addition to the significantly higher speeds.

>

> One of the Amazon reviewers complaints on Acronis TI

> Home was that E/SATA was not currently supported. I

> guess I would've thought a backup product would simply

> rely on the OS for peripheral access.

>

> I'm currently investigating this "boot from backup" on an

> external drive issue. What it takes? (E/SATA, Firewire,

> etc?), and what I've have to upgrade. But, I like the idea.

>

> Not only is it easier, but simple testing of a crash recovery

> requires no intermediate restore. Much less exposure to

> error.

>

> Additionally, because the backup image is stored in native

> format(non-composite), even lost file restores are easier.

> And FAT limitations are avoided for users of that archi-

> tecture.

>

> Thanks.

I'm sure you understand that when we talk about eSATA or just plain SATA in

this context of backup programs, we're simply talking about the HDD that

will be involved in the backup and/or restore process. And that HDD will be

a SATA (not a PATA) HDD. The distinction between SATA & eSATA is simply the

connector that a SATA HDD will be connected to. The "e" in eSATA stands for

"external". A number of motherboards are equipped with an eSATA port and a

number of desktop computer cases are similarly equipped. The eSATA port is

considered a more secure SATA connector than the "regular" or "normal" SATA

connector and the eSATA data cable will be equipped with an eSATA connector,

not a "regular" SATA connector. But for all practical purposes a SATA HDD

will perform just as well connected to either type of port - SATA or eSATA.

The important point to remember here is that connecting a external SATA HDD

to *either* a SATA or eSATA port will give the user SATA-to-SATA

connectivity (as opposed to USB connectivity for example). Obviously we're

presuming that the PC has SATA capability, i.e., it supports SATA hard

drives.

Having SATA-to-SATA connectivity is most advantageous when using an external

SATA HDD as the recipient of the backed up contents of one's internal

day-to-day working HDD. There are two significant advantages...

1. The data transfer rate is considerably higher than, for example, a USB

external HDD device.

2. Assuming the SATA HDD contained in a SATA external enclosure is the

recipient of the cloned contents of the user's internal HDD through the use

of a disk-cloning program, e.g., the Acronis one that has been mentioned,

the SATA HDD will be a bootable device even though it's being used in an

external capacity. The system will treat that drive as an *internal* HDD

because of its SATA-to-SATA connectivity notwithstanding the fact that it is

physically external to the machine.

(BTW, that CMS device you mention is really nothing more than an external

enclosure that provides both USB & SATA connectivity. There are scores of

similar enclosures on the market. You can simply install your own SATA HDD

into the enclosure.)

The Acronis True Image program that has been recommended to you is a fine

program with many satisfied users. You should consider it, especially since

there's a trial version available.

However, for a variety of reasons, the disk-cloning program we greatly

prefer is the Casper 4 program. If you (or anyone coming upon this thread)

want some details about that program I'll post such.

Anna

May 16, 2008

Re: Backup/Restore suggestions for XP, and Vista

"Anna" <myname@myisp.net> wrote:

>The Acronis True Image program that has been recommended to you is a fine

>program with many satisfied users. You should consider it, especially since

>there's a trial version available.

>

>However, for a variety of reasons, the disk-cloning program we greatly

>prefer is the Casper 4 program. If you (or anyone coming upon this thread)

>want some details about that program I'll post such.

>Anna

<sigh>

Here we go again! <g>

May 16, 2008

Re: Backup/Restore suggestions for XP, and Vista

PD43 wrote:

> "Anna" <myname@myisp.net> wrote:

>

>> The Acronis True Image program that has been recommended to you is a fine

>> program with many satisfied users. You should consider it, especially

>> since

>> there's a trial version available.

>>

>> However, for a variety of reasons, the disk-cloning program we greatly

>> prefer is the Casper 4 program. If you (or anyone coming upon this

>> thread)

>> want some details about that program I'll post such.

>> Anna

>

> <sigh>

>

> Here we go again! <g>

You don't want to stay in this thread, PD. It's too long for you to

follow.

May 16, 2008

Re: Backup/Restore suggestions for XP, and Vista

Anna wrote:

> "Anonymous" <com@com.com> wrote in message

> news:5q1Xj.3224$ah4.2192@flpi148.ffdc.sbc.com...

>> I've had similar replies, including the suggestion to use the

>> Acronis Workstation version, rather than Home.

>>

>> Like you, my years of Ntbackup usage have been quite

>> positive, meeting all my needs for a backup.

>>

>> However, although Ntbackup will easily protect against

>> accidental loss, it is either unable, or quite cumbersome

>> at providing recovery, or bare metal restore.

>>

>> I have to admit that the backup product from CMS looks

>> quite attractive though. Because I like the idea of simply

>> rebooting the backup image for a quick recovery. Watch

>> this video:

>> http://www.cmsproducts.com/video/desktop_backup.html

>>

>> Unfortunately, I'm not familiar with E/SATA, and support

>> would require my upgrade. But, I'd get the functionality

>> described, in addition to the significantly higher speeds.

>>

>> One of the Amazon reviewers complaints on Acronis TI

>> Home was that E/SATA was not currently supported. I

>> guess I would've thought a backup product would simply

>> rely on the OS for peripheral access.

>>

>> I'm currently investigating this "boot from backup" on an

>> external drive issue. What it takes? (E/SATA, Firewire,

>> etc?), and what I've have to upgrade. But, I like the idea.

>>

>> Not only is it easier, but simple testing of a crash recovery

>> requires no intermediate restore. Much less exposure to

>> error.

>>

>> Additionally, because the backup image is stored in native

>> format(non-composite), even lost file restores are easier.

>> And FAT limitations are avoided for users of that archi-

>> tecture.

>>

>> Thanks.

>

> I'm sure you understand that when we talk about eSATA or just plain SATA

> in

> this context of backup programs, we're simply talking about the HDD that

> will be involved in the backup and/or restore process. And that HDD will

> be

> a SATA (not a PATA) HDD. The distinction between SATA & eSATA is simply

> the

> connector that a SATA HDD will be connected to. The "e" in eSATA stands

> for

> "external". A number of motherboards are equipped with an eSATA port and a

> number of desktop computer cases are similarly equipped. The eSATA port is

> considered a more secure SATA connector than the "regular" or "normal"

> SATA

> connector and the eSATA data cable will be equipped with an eSATA

> connector,

> not a "regular" SATA connector. But for all practical purposes a SATA HDD

> will perform just as well connected to either type of port - SATA or

> eSATA.

>

> The important point to remember here is that connecting a external SATA

> HDD

> to *either* a SATA or eSATA port will give the user SATA-to-SATA

> connectivity (as opposed to USB connectivity for example). Obviously we're

> presuming that the PC has SATA capability, i.e., it supports SATA hard

> drives.

>

> Having SATA-to-SATA connectivity is most advantageous when using an

> external

> SATA HDD as the recipient of the backed up contents of one's internal

> day-to-day working HDD. There are two significant advantages...

> 1. The data transfer rate is considerably higher than, for example, a USB

> external HDD device.

> 2. Assuming the SATA HDD contained in a SATA external enclosure is the

> recipient of the cloned contents of the user's internal HDD through the

> use

> of a disk-cloning program, e.g., the Acronis one that has been mentioned,

> the SATA HDD will be a bootable device even though it's being used in an

> external capacity. The system will treat that drive as an *internal* HDD

> because of its SATA-to-SATA connectivity notwithstanding the fact that it

> is

> physically external to the machine.

>

> (BTW, that CMS device you mention is really nothing more than an external

> enclosure that provides both USB & SATA connectivity. There are scores of

> similar enclosures on the market. You can simply install your own SATA HDD

> into the enclosure.)

>

> The Acronis True Image program that has been recommended to you is a fine

> program with many satisfied users. You should consider it, especially

> since

> there's a trial version available.

>

> However, for a variety of reasons, the disk-cloning program we greatly

> prefer is the Casper 4 program. If you (or anyone coming upon this thread)

> want some details about that program I'll post such.

> Anna

Just to be complete, Anna, you should point out that he doesn't HAVE to use

SATA or eSATA for backups, however. He could instead just use his

existing setup, and get an external USB HD enclosure (containing a regular

PATA hard drive) for backup purposes too (i.e., for storing and restoring a

backup image). That's what I'm doing over here, and it works great.

Granted, it's not as fast, but it doesn't really take me that long, either.

May 16, 2008

Re: Backup/Restore suggestions for XP, and Vista

>> "Anonymous" <com@com.com> wrote in message

>> news:5q1Xj.3224$ah4.2192@flpi148.ffdc.sbc.com...

>>> I've had similar replies, including the suggestion to use the

>>> Acronis Workstation version, rather than Home.

>>>

>>> Like you, my years of Ntbackup usage have been quite

>>> positive, meeting all my needs for a backup.

>>>

>>> However, although Ntbackup will easily protect against

>>> accidental loss, it is either unable, or quite cumbersome

>>> at providing recovery, or bare metal restore.

>>>

>>> I have to admit that the backup product from CMS looks

>>> quite attractive though. Because I like the idea of simply

>>> rebooting the backup image for a quick recovery. Watch

>>> this video:

>>> http://www.cmsproducts.com/video/desktop_backup.html

>>>

>>> Unfortunately, I'm not familiar with E/SATA, and support

>>> would require my upgrade. But, I'd get the functionality

>>> described, in addition to the significantly higher speeds.

>>>

>>> One of the Amazon reviewers complaints on Acronis TI

>>> Home was that E/SATA was not currently supported. I

>>> guess I would've thought a backup product would simply

>>> rely on the OS for peripheral access.

>>>

>>> I'm currently investigating this "boot from backup" on an

>>> external drive issue. What it takes? (E/SATA, Firewire,

>>> etc?), and what I've have to upgrade. But, I like the idea.

>>>

>>> Not only is it easier, but simple testing of a crash recovery

>>> requires no intermediate restore. Much less exposure to

>>> error.

>>>

>>> Additionally, because the backup image is stored in native

>>> format(non-composite), even lost file restores are easier.

>>> And FAT limitations are avoided for users of that archi-

>>> tecture.

>>>

>>> Thanks.

> Anna wrote:

>> I'm sure you understand that when we talk about eSATA or just plain SATA

>> in this context of backup programs, we're simply talking about the HDD

>> that will be involved in the backup and/or restore process. And that HDD

>> >> will be a SATA (not a PATA) HDD. The distinction between SATA & eSATA

>> is simply the connector that a SATA HDD will be connected to. The >> "e"

>> in eSATA stands for "external". A number of motherboards are equipped >>

>> with an eSATA port and a number of desktop computer cases are similarly

>> >> equipped. The eSATA port is considered a more secure SATA connector

>> than the "regular" or "normal" SATA connector and the eSATA data cable >>

>> will be equipped with an eSATA connector, not a "regular" SATA connector.

>> But for all practical purposes a SATA HDD will perform just as >> well

>> connected to either type of port - SATA or eSATA.

>>

>> The important point to remember here is that connecting a external SATA

>> HDD to *either* a SATA or eSATA port will give the user SATA-to-SATA

>> connectivity (as opposed to USB connectivity for example). Obviously

>> we're presuming that the PC has SATA capability, i.e., it supports SATA

>> hard drives.

>>

>> Having SATA-to-SATA connectivity is most advantageous when using an

>> external SATA HDD as the recipient of the backed up contents of one's

>> internal day-to-day working HDD. There are two significant advantages...

>> 1. The data transfer rate is considerably higher than, for example, a USB

>> external HDD device.

>> 2. Assuming the SATA HDD contained in a SATA external enclosure is the

>> recipient of the cloned contents of the user's internal HDD through the

>> use of a disk-cloning program, e.g., the Acronis one that has been

>> mentioned, the SATA HDD will be a bootable device even though it's being

>> >> used in an external capacity. The system will treat that drive as an

>> *internal* >> HDD because of its SATA-to-SATA connectivity

>> notwithstanding the fact >> that it is physically external to the

>> machine.

>>

>> (BTW, that CMS device you mention is really nothing more than an external

>> enclosure that provides both USB & SATA connectivity. There are scores of

>> similar enclosures on the market. You can simply install your own SATA >>

>> HDD into the enclosure.)

>>

>> The Acronis True Image program that has been recommended to you is a fine

>> program with many satisfied users. You should consider it, especially

>> since there's a trial version available.

>>

>> However, for a variety of reasons, the disk-cloning program we greatly

>> prefer is the Casper 4 program. If you (or anyone coming upon this

>> thread)

>> want some details about that program I'll post such.

>> Anna

"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

news:u6jcxcvtIHA.4376@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> Just to be complete, Anna, you should point out that he doesn't HAVE to

> use SATA or eSATA for backups, however. He could instead just use his

> existing setup, and get an external USB HD enclosure (containing a regular

> PATA hard drive) for backup purposes too (i.e., for storing and restoring

> a backup image). That's what I'm doing over here, and it works great.

> Granted, it's not as fast, but it doesn't really take me that long,

> either.

Bill:

True enough and it's a virtual certainty that the great majority of users

like yourself who already use a disk-cloning program as a comprehensive

backup tool do indeed use a USB-connected external HDD as the recipient of

the cloned contents of their day-to-day working HDD. I wouldn't dispute that

for a moment.

But...

In my view the superiority of using a SATA-to-SATA connection for that

purpose via a SATA/eSATA external enclosure as I have described above

warrants its use rather than a USB connected HDD wherever that inherent SATA

capability exists. Obviously the user must have a SATA-capable system and a

SATA or eSATA port to which the external device is connected. In that

connection I might add that many, if not most, of the SATA/eSATA external

enclosures now come with an auxiliary eSATA bracket that is affixed to the

backplane of the computer case and the attached (inner) cable is simply

connected to one of the motherboard's SATA connectors. And, of course, more

& more desktop cases (as well as more & more motherboards) are now coming

equipped with an eSATA port

(We're talking about desktop machines here, not laptops/notebooks. While the

SATA-to-SATA connectivity can be established with those latter machines the

component to do so is different.)

So, as in the OP's case where a user is considering the possibility of using

a disk-cloning program as a comprehensive backup system, and his or her

system supports SATA capability, I believe they should give serious

consideration to what I've suggested.

Anna

May 16, 2008

Re: Backup/Restore suggestions for XP, and Vista

"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

news:u6jcxcvtIHA.4376@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> Anna wrote:

>> "Anonymous" <com@com.com> wrote in message

>> news:5q1Xj.3224$ah4.2192@flpi148.ffdc.sbc.com...

>>> I've had similar replies, including the suggestion to use the

>>> Acronis Workstation version, rather than Home.

>>>

>>> Like you, my years of Ntbackup usage have been quite

>>> positive, meeting all my needs for a backup.

>>>

>>> However, although Ntbackup will easily protect against

>>> accidental loss, it is either unable, or quite cumbersome

>>> at providing recovery, or bare metal restore.

>>>

>>> I have to admit that the backup product from CMS looks

>>> quite attractive though. Because I like the idea of simply

>>> rebooting the backup image for a quick recovery. Watch

>>> this video:

>>> http://www.cmsproducts.com/video/desktop_backup.html

>>>

>>> Unfortunately, I'm not familiar with E/SATA, and support

>>> would require my upgrade. But, I'd get the functionality

>>> described, in addition to the significantly higher speeds.

>>>

>>> One of the Amazon reviewers complaints on Acronis TI

>>> Home was that E/SATA was not currently supported. I

>>> guess I would've thought a backup product would simply

>>> rely on the OS for peripheral access.

>>>

>>> I'm currently investigating this "boot from backup" on an

>>> external drive issue. What it takes? (E/SATA, Firewire,

>>> etc?), and what I've have to upgrade. But, I like the idea.

>>>

>>> Not only is it easier, but simple testing of a crash recovery

>>> requires no intermediate restore. Much less exposure to

>>> error.

>>>

>>> Additionally, because the backup image is stored in native

>>> format(non-composite), even lost file restores are easier.

>>> And FAT limitations are avoided for users of that archi-

>>> tecture.

>>>

>>> Thanks.

>>

>> I'm sure you understand that when we talk about eSATA or just plain SATA

>> in

>> this context of backup programs, we're simply talking about the HDD that

>> will be involved in the backup and/or restore process. And that HDD will

>> be

>> a SATA (not a PATA) HDD. The distinction between SATA & eSATA is simply

>> the

>> connector that a SATA HDD will be connected to. The "e" in eSATA stands

>> for

>> "external". A number of motherboards are equipped with an eSATA port and

>> a

>> number of desktop computer cases are similarly equipped. The eSATA port

>> is

>> considered a more secure SATA connector than the "regular" or "normal"

>> SATA

>> connector and the eSATA data cable will be equipped with an eSATA

>> connector,

>> not a "regular" SATA connector. But for all practical purposes a SATA HDD

>> will perform just as well connected to either type of port - SATA or

>> eSATA.

>>

>> The important point to remember here is that connecting a external SATA

>> HDD

>> to *either* a SATA or eSATA port will give the user SATA-to-SATA

>> connectivity (as opposed to USB connectivity for example). Obviously

>> we're

>> presuming that the PC has SATA capability, i.e., it supports SATA hard

>> drives.

>>

>> Having SATA-to-SATA connectivity is most advantageous when using an

>> external

>> SATA HDD as the recipient of the backed up contents of one's internal

>> day-to-day working HDD. There are two significant advantages...

>> 1. The data transfer rate is considerably higher than, for example, a USB

>> external HDD device.

>> 2. Assuming the SATA HDD contained in a SATA external enclosure is the

>> recipient of the cloned contents of the user's internal HDD through the

>> use

>> of a disk-cloning program, e.g., the Acronis one that has been mentioned,

>> the SATA HDD will be a bootable device even though it's being used in an

>> external capacity. The system will treat that drive as an *internal* HDD

>> because of its SATA-to-SATA connectivity notwithstanding the fact that it

>> is

>> physically external to the machine.

>>

>> (BTW, that CMS device you mention is really nothing more than an external

>> enclosure that provides both USB & SATA connectivity. There are scores of

>> similar enclosures on the market. You can simply install your own SATA

>> HDD

>> into the enclosure.)

>>

>> The Acronis True Image program that has been recommended to you is a fine

>> program with many satisfied users. You should consider it, especially

>> since

>> there's a trial version available.

>>

>> However, for a variety of reasons, the disk-cloning program we greatly

>> prefer is the Casper 4 program. If you (or anyone coming upon this

>> thread)

>> want some details about that program I'll post such.

>> Anna

>

I'm not fully up to speed on E/SATA, but I've been reading.

Your comments/explanations will help with that understanding.

I think it was another thread of yours where I read about

the interface being "glitchy". Or, at least, the interface when

added with a upgrade card, I think.

The thread concerned another's question concerning whether

a 3.0 ATA unit would synchronize at the existing 1.5 level.

As I said, I'm researching the details. But, that was the first

indication I'd seen of any faults.

> Just to be complete, Anna, you should point out that he doesn't HAVE to

> use SATA or eSATA for backups, however. He could instead just use his

> existing setup, and get an external USB HD enclosure (containing a regular

> PATA hard drive) for backup purposes too (i.e., for storing and restoring

> a backup image). That's what I'm doing over here, and it works great.

> Granted, it's not as fast, but it doesn't really take me that long,

> either.

>

I do currently have two external drives in use for backup via

a usb2.0 interface. I'm researching a new strategy because

I don't have a viable crash recovery solution(at least not with-

out a ton of rebuild work involved). And while researching

the new path, thought I'd upgrade to an ATA interface to

gain the extra speed. Although, I'm not unhappy with the

usb throughput.

Thanks.

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