XP Back-up Utility

May 14, 2008

Regarding Win XP Back-up Utility.

It is it a reliable backup? Is my data safe to be recovered (assuming I back

up to a safe place?)

If the file is too big, will the utility span multiple DVD's?

--

Ed H

Dell Dimension 4550, WinXP Home SP2

60 Gig. HD, 512 DDR, Pentium IV 2.40 GHz.

May 14, 2008

Re: XP Back-up Utility

Ed H wrote:

> Regarding Win XP Back-up Utility.

> It is it a reliable backup? Is my data safe to be recovered (assuming I back

> up to a safe place?)

>

> If the file is too big, will the utility span multiple DVD's?

The utility won't write to removable media. Your DVD writing software

will have to be used to place the backup file on DVD.

May 14, 2008

Re: XP Back-up Utility

"Ed H" <w.whatkey@comcast.net> wrote in message

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> Regarding Win XP Back-up Utility.

> It is it a reliable backup? Is my data safe to be recovered (assuming I

> back up to a safe place?)

Some people find it reliable, others do not.

>

> If the file is too big, will the utility span multiple DVD's?

No, it can't write to DVD or CDs at all, let alone span them.

There are better backup apps available. many in the $50 range.

HTH

-pk

> --

> Ed H

> Dell Dimension 4550, WinXP Home SP2

> 60 Gig. HD, 512 DDR, Pentium IV 2.40 GHz.

>

May 14, 2008

Re: XP Back-up Utility

"Patrick Keenan" <test@dev.null> wrote:

>"Ed H" <w.whatkey@comcast.net> wrote in message

>news:uD0mzWgtIHA.1316@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>> Regarding Win XP Back-up Utility.

>> It is it a reliable backup? Is my data safe to be recovered (assuming I

>> back up to a safe place?)

>

>Some people find it reliable, others do not.

>

>>

>> If the file is too big, will the utility span multiple DVD's?

>

>No, it can't write to DVD or CDs at all, let alone span them.

>

>There are better backup apps available. many in the $50 range.

Acronis True Image Home: $35 at Newegg.

May 14, 2008

Re: XP Back-up Utility

PD43 wrote:

> "Patrick Keenan" <test@dev.null> wrote:

>

>> "Ed H" <w.whatkey@comcast.net> wrote in message

>> news:uD0mzWgtIHA.1316@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>> Regarding Win XP Back-up Utility.

>>> It is it a reliable backup? Is my data safe to be recovered (assuming I

>>> back up to a safe place?)

>> Some people find it reliable, others do not.

>>

>>> If the file is too big, will the utility span multiple DVD's?

>> No, it can't write to DVD or CDs at all, let alone span them.

>>

>> There are better backup apps available. many in the $50 range.

>

> Acronis True Image Home: $35 at Newegg.

Yes, its $35 on Amazon too.

May 14, 2008

Re: XP Back-up Utility

If you want to backup small <=4Gb then a DVD with relevant software is ok.

If want to backup up whole system then external USB hard drive is

advisable... make sure you format it with NTFS as by default they are

usually FAT32 and this will not allow backup file above 4GB

"PD43" <pauld1943@comcast.net> wrote in message

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> "Patrick Keenan" <test@dev.null> wrote:

>

>>"Ed H" <w.whatkey@comcast.net> wrote in message

>>news:uD0mzWgtIHA.1316@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>> Regarding Win XP Back-up Utility.

>>> It is it a reliable backup? Is my data safe to be recovered (assuming I

>>> back up to a safe place?)

>>

>>Some people find it reliable, others do not.

>>

>>>

>>> If the file is too big, will the utility span multiple DVD's?

>>

>>No, it can't write to DVD or CDs at all, let alone span them.

>>

>>There are better backup apps available. many in the $50 range.

>

> Acronis True Image Home: $35 at Newegg.

May 14, 2008

Re: XP Back-up Utility

Norton Ghost

http://www.symantec.com/norton/products/overview.jsp?pcid=br&pvid=ghost12

True Image (has a 15 day trial version also)

http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/products/trueimage/

JS

"Ed H" <w.whatkey@comcast.net> wrote in message

news:uD0mzWgtIHA.1316@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> Regarding Win XP Back-up Utility.

> It is it a reliable backup? Is my data safe to be recovered (assuming I

> back up to a safe place?)

>

> If the file is too big, will the utility span multiple DVD's?

> --

> Ed H

> Dell Dimension 4550, WinXP Home SP2

> 60 Gig. HD, 512 DDR, Pentium IV 2.40 GHz.

>

May 15, 2008

Re: XP Back-up Utility

Teneo wrote:

> If you want to backup small <=4Gb then a DVD with relevant software is

> ok.

> If want to backup up whole system then external USB hard drive is

> advisable... make sure you format it with NTFS as by default they are

> usually FAT32 and this will not allow backup file above 4GB

WHO has a FILE > 4 GB? (ok, perhaps a few video camera geeks).

As for the partition size, even with FAT32 it certainly CAN be much larger

than 4 GB.

> "PD43" <pauld1943@comcast.net> wrote in message

> news:p9nm24dnuv9ko21kjeh5u7oje6g73n30jc@4ax.com...

>> "Patrick Keenan" <test@dev.null> wrote:

>>

>>> "Ed H" <w.whatkey@comcast.net> wrote in message

>>> news:uD0mzWgtIHA.1316@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>>> Regarding Win XP Back-up Utility.

>>>> It is it a reliable backup? Is my data safe to be recovered (assuming I

>>>> back up to a safe place?)

>>>

>>> Some people find it reliable, others do not.

>>>

>>>>

>>>> If the file is too big, will the utility span multiple DVD's?

>>>

>>> No, it can't write to DVD or CDs at all, let alone span them.

>>>

>>> There are better backup apps available. many in the $50 range.

>>

>> Acronis True Image Home: $35 at Newegg.

May 15, 2008

Re: XP Back-up Utility

"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

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> Teneo wrote:

>> If you want to backup small <=4Gb then a DVD with relevant software is

>> ok.

>> If want to backup up whole system then external USB hard drive is

>> advisable... make sure you format it with NTFS as by default they are

>> usually FAT32 and this will not allow backup file above 4GB

>

> WHO has a FILE > 4 GB? (ok, perhaps a few video camera geeks).

> As for the partition size, even with FAT32 it certainly CAN be much larger

> than 4 GB.

>

It's not that anyone has a single >4GB file, it's the technique

that the backup uses to store the backup image.

As example, ntbackup stores the backup image as one large

single file, where the components comprising the backup are

combined. Try running this on a fat architecture and it won't

be long before you'll see the 4GB limitation.

Conversely, CMS' Bounce Back backup software stores the

backup image in native file format, meaning that the backup

is an exact image of the backed up components. No doubt

this technique is retained just to avoid limitations on fat arch-

itected systems.

Thanks.

>> "PD43" <pauld1943@comcast.net> wrote in message

>> news:p9nm24dnuv9ko21kjeh5u7oje6g73n30jc@4ax.com...

>>> "Patrick Keenan" <test@dev.null> wrote:

>>>

>>>> "Ed H" <w.whatkey@comcast.net> wrote in message

>>>> news:uD0mzWgtIHA.1316@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>>>> Regarding Win XP Back-up Utility.

>>>>> It is it a reliable backup? Is my data safe to be recovered (assuming

>>>>> I

>>>>> back up to a safe place?)

>>>>

>>>> Some people find it reliable, others do not.

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> If the file is too big, will the utility span multiple DVD's?

>>>>

>>>> No, it can't write to DVD or CDs at all, let alone span them.

>>>>

>>>> There are better backup apps available. many in the $50 range.

>>>

>>> Acronis True Image Home: $35 at Newegg.

>

May 15, 2008

Re: XP Back-up Utility

Anonymous wrote:

> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

> news:O9JD4IktIHA.548@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>> Teneo wrote:

>>> If you want to backup small <=4Gb then a DVD with relevant software is

>>> ok.

>>> If want to backup up whole system then external USB hard drive is

>>> advisable... make sure you format it with NTFS as by default they are

>>> usually FAT32 and this will not allow backup file above 4GB

>>

>> WHO has a FILE > 4 GB? (ok, perhaps a few video camera geeks).

>> As for the partition size, even with FAT32 it certainly CAN be much

>> larger

>> than 4 GB.

>>

>

> It's not that anyone has a single >4GB file, it's the technique

> that the backup uses to store the backup image.

>

> As example, ntbackup stores the backup image as one large

> single file, where the components comprising the backup are

> combined. Try running this on a fat architecture and it won't

> be long before you'll see the 4GB limitation.

Good catch. It would be interesting to see just how TI manages to backup

an image on Win98SE (FAT32) systems.

One possibility is that TI breaks the image up into smaller segments, just

as some video programs have to do IF they can run on FAT32 (meaning Win9x

apps), since no single file using FAT32 can ever be larger than 4 GB....

UNLESS it is possible by some other proprietary means, as you seem to be

suggesting below. But THAT would require a special NON FAT32 partition on

the HD,that would be invisible and unaccessible to Win9x).

> Conversely, CMS' Bounce Back backup software stores the

> backup image in native file format, meaning that the backup

> is an exact image of the backed up components. No doubt

> this technique is retained just to avoid limitations on fat arch-

> itected systems.

>

> Thanks.

>

>>> "PD43" <pauld1943@comcast.net> wrote in message

>>> news:p9nm24dnuv9ko21kjeh5u7oje6g73n30jc@4ax.com...

>>>> "Patrick Keenan" <test@dev.null> wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> "Ed H" <w.whatkey@comcast.net> wrote in message

>>>>> news:uD0mzWgtIHA.1316@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>>>>> Regarding Win XP Back-up Utility.

>>>>>> It is it a reliable backup? Is my data safe to be recovered (assuming

>>>>>> I

>>>>>> back up to a safe place?)

>>>>>

>>>>> Some people find it reliable, others do not.

>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> If the file is too big, will the utility span multiple DVD's?

>>>>>

>>>>> No, it can't write to DVD or CDs at all, let alone span them.

>>>>>

>>>>> There are better backup apps available. many in the $50 range.

>>>>

>>>> Acronis True Image Home: $35 at Newegg.

May 15, 2008

Re: XP Back-up Utility

On Thu, 15 May 2008 00:27:13 -0600, "Bill in Co."

<not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote:

>Good catch. It would be interesting to see just how TI manages to backup

>an image on Win98SE (FAT32) systems.

>

>One possibility is that TI breaks the image up into smaller segments, just

>as some video programs have to do IF they can run on FAT32 (meaning Win9x

>apps), since no single file using FAT32 can ever be larger than 4 GB....

That's exactly what it does, because it has no choice. Same

thing with Ghost.

May 15, 2008

Re: XP Back-up Utility

Nonny wrote:

> On Thu, 15 May 2008 00:27:13 -0600, "Bill in Co."

> <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote:

>

>> Good catch. It would be interesting to see just how TI manages to

>> backup

>> an image on Win98SE (FAT32) systems.

>>

>> One possibility is that TI breaks the image up into smaller segments,

>> just

>> as some video programs have to do IF they can run on FAT32 (meaning Win9x

>> apps), since no single file using FAT32 can ever be larger than 4 GB....

>

> That's exactly what it does, because it has no choice. Same

> thing with Ghost.

I see. The other possibility I mentioned might not even be possible for a

Win9x system, no matter how proprietary the image file format is - unless

one booted up into some special proprietary operating system boot disk JUST

to make (or restore) the backup image (without windows being involved,

whatsoever), which seems pretty far out.

May 15, 2008

Re: XP Back-up Utility

"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

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> Anonymous wrote:

>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

>> news:O9JD4IktIHA.548@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>> Teneo wrote:

>>>> If you want to backup small <=4Gb then a DVD with relevant software is

>>>> ok.

>>>> If want to backup up whole system then external USB hard drive is

>>>> advisable... make sure you format it with NTFS as by default they are

>>>> usually FAT32 and this will not allow backup file above 4GB

>>>

>>> WHO has a FILE > 4 GB? (ok, perhaps a few video camera geeks).

>>> As for the partition size, even with FAT32 it certainly CAN be much

>>> larger

>>> than 4 GB.

>>>

>>

>> It's not that anyone has a single >4GB file, it's the technique

>> that the backup uses to store the backup image.

>>

>> As example, ntbackup stores the backup image as one large

>> single file, where the components comprising the backup are

>> combined. Try running this on a fat architecture and it won't

>> be long before you'll see the 4GB limitation.

>

> Good catch. It would be interesting to see just how TI manages to

> backup an image on Win98SE (FAT32) systems.

>

> One possibility is that TI breaks the image up into smaller segments, just

> as some video programs have to do IF they can run on FAT32 (meaning Win9x

> apps), since no single file using FAT32 can ever be larger than 4 GB....

>

> UNLESS it is possible by some other proprietary means, as you seem to be

> suggesting below. But THAT would require a special NON FAT32 partition

> on the HD,that would be invisible and unaccessible to Win9x).

>

I really don't know how/if TI, Ghost, et al handles such a

limitation that's present in a fat architecture system. I sus-

pect(aka guess) they're really not designed for use on

those systems at all.

I don't really see much reason for a vendor to consider

an operational compatability on an "out of service" system.

See my last(5/15) post in:

http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/browse_frm/thread/99e22a784daf187b?hl=en#

Thanks.

>> Conversely, CMS' Bounce Back backup software stores the

>> backup image in native file format, meaning that the backup

>> is an exact image of the backed up components. No doubt

>> this technique is retained just to avoid limitations on fat arch-

>> itected systems.

>>

>> Thanks.

>>

>>>> "PD43" <pauld1943@comcast.net> wrote in message

>>>> news:p9nm24dnuv9ko21kjeh5u7oje6g73n30jc@4ax.com...

>>>>> "Patrick Keenan" <test@dev.null> wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> "Ed H" <w.whatkey@comcast.net> wrote in message

>>>>>> news:uD0mzWgtIHA.1316@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>>>>>> Regarding Win XP Back-up Utility.

>>>>>>> It is it a reliable backup? Is my data safe to be recovered

>>>>>>> (assuming

>>>>>>> I

>>>>>>> back up to a safe place?)

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Some people find it reliable, others do not.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> If the file is too big, will the utility span multiple DVD's?

>>>>>>

>>>>>> No, it can't write to DVD or CDs at all, let alone span them.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> There are better backup apps available. many in the $50 range.

>>>>>

>>>>> Acronis True Image Home: $35 at Newegg.

>

May 15, 2008

Re: XP Back-up Utility

Anonymous wrote:

> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

> news:%23XTU4SltIHA.552@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>> Anonymous wrote:

>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

>>> news:O9JD4IktIHA.548@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>>> Teneo wrote:

>>>>> If you want to backup small <=4Gb then a DVD with relevant software is

>>>>> ok.

>>>>> If want to backup up whole system then external USB hard drive is

>>>>> advisable... make sure you format it with NTFS as by default they are

>>>>> usually FAT32 and this will not allow backup file above 4GB

>>>>

>>>> WHO has a FILE > 4 GB? (ok, perhaps a few video camera geeks).

>>>> As for the partition size, even with FAT32 it certainly CAN be much

>>>> larger than 4 GB.

>>>

>>> It's not that anyone has a single >4GB file, it's the technique

>>> that the backup uses to store the backup image.

>>>

>>> As example, ntbackup stores the backup image as one large

>>> single file, where the components comprising the backup are

>>> combined. Try running this on a fat architecture and it won't

>>> be long before you'll see the 4GB limitation.

>>

>> Good catch. It would be interesting to see just how TI manages to

>> backup an image on Win98SE (FAT32) systems.

>>

>> One possibility is that TI breaks the image up into smaller segments,

>> just

>> as some video programs have to do IF they can run on FAT32 (meaning Win9x

>> apps), since no single file using FAT32 can ever be larger than 4 GB....

>>

>> UNLESS it is possible by some other proprietary means, as you seem to be

>> suggesting below. But THAT would require a special NON FAT32 partition

>> on the HD,that would be invisible and unaccessible to Win9x).

>>

>

> I really don't know how/if TI, Ghost, et al handles such a

> limitation that's present in a fat architecture system. I sus-

> pect(aka guess) they're really not designed for use on

> those systems at all.

Some of them will work with these systems.

> I don't really see much reason for a vendor to consider

> an operational compatability on an "out of service" system.

Well, but it's not really "out of service", in that there are plenty of

people still using such systems. And fortunately some of these programs

still work for those users. And since someone made a comment on a 4 GB

size limitation, I wanted to clarify that.

> See my last(5/15) post in:

> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/browse_frm/thread/99e22a784daf187b?hl=en#

>

> Thanks.

>

>>> Conversely, CMS' Bounce Back backup software stores the

>>> backup image in native file format, meaning that the backup

>>> is an exact image of the backed up components. No doubt

>>> this technique is retained just to avoid limitations on fat arch-

>>> itected systems.

>>>

>>> Thanks.

>>>

>>>>> "PD43" <pauld1943@comcast.net> wrote in message

>>>>> news:p9nm24dnuv9ko21kjeh5u7oje6g73n30jc@4ax.com...

>>>>>> "Patrick Keenan" <test@dev.null> wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> "Ed H" <w.whatkey@comcast.net> wrote in message

>>>>>>> news:uD0mzWgtIHA.1316@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>>>>>>> Regarding Win XP Back-up Utility.

>>>>>>>> It is it a reliable backup? Is my data safe to be recovered

>>>>>>>> (assuming I back up to a safe place?)

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Some people find it reliable, others do not.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> If the file is too big, will the utility span multiple DVD's?

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> No, it can't write to DVD or CDs at all, let alone span them.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> There are better backup apps available. many in the $50 range.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Acronis True Image Home: $35 at Newegg.

May 15, 2008

Re: XP Back-up Utility

"Anonymous" <com@com.com> wrote:

>> Good catch. It would be interesting to see just how TI manages to

>> backup an image on Win98SE (FAT32) systems.

>>

>> One possibility is that TI breaks the image up into smaller segments, just

>> as some video programs have to do IF they can run on FAT32 (meaning Win9x

>> apps), since no single file using FAT32 can ever be larger than 4 GB....

>>

>> UNLESS it is possible by some other proprietary means, as you seem to be

>> suggesting below. But THAT would require a special NON FAT32 partition

>> on the HD,that would be invisible and unaccessible to Win9x).

>>

>

>I really don't know how/if TI, Ghost, et al handles such a

>limitation that's present in a fat architecture system. I sus-

>pect(aka guess) they're really not designed for use on

>those systems at all.

>

>I don't really see much reason for a vendor to consider

>an operational compatability on an "out of service" system.

They have no problem with such a system. Why cut yourself off from a

large customer base: not everyone uses NTSF.

From the Acronis site:

Supported File Systems

• FAT16/32, NTFS, Linux Ext2/Ext3, ReiserFS, Linux Swap

May 15, 2008

Re: XP Back-up Utility

No it can't. I tried to create one to my new external HD and it stopped at 4

gigs saying it must be formatted to NTFS to be more than 4 gigs.

--

Ed H

Dell Dimension 4550, WinXP Home SP2

60 Gig. HD, 512 DDR, Pentium IV 2.40 GHz.

"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

news:O9JD4IktIHA.548@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> Teneo wrote:

>> If you want to backup small <=4Gb then a DVD with relevant software is

>> ok.

>> If want to backup up whole system then external USB hard drive is

>> advisable... make sure you format it with NTFS as by default they are

>> usually FAT32 and this will not allow backup file above 4GB

>

> WHO has a FILE > 4 GB? (ok, perhaps a few video camera geeks).

> As for the partition size, even with FAT32 it certainly CAN be much larger

> than 4 GB.

>

>> "PD43" <pauld1943@comcast.net> wrote in message

>> news:p9nm24dnuv9ko21kjeh5u7oje6g73n30jc@4ax.com...

>>> "Patrick Keenan" <test@dev.null> wrote:

>>>

>>>> "Ed H" <w.whatkey@comcast.net> wrote in message

>>>> news:uD0mzWgtIHA.1316@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>>>> Regarding Win XP Back-up Utility.

>>>>> It is it a reliable backup? Is my data safe to be recovered (assuming

>>>>> I

>>>>> back up to a safe place?)

>>>>

>>>> Some people find it reliable, others do not.

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> If the file is too big, will the utility span multiple DVD's?

>>>>

>>>> No, it can't write to DVD or CDs at all, let alone span them.

>>>>

>>>> There are better backup apps available. many in the $50 range.

>>>

>>> Acronis True Image Home: $35 at Newegg.

>

May 15, 2008

Re: XP Back-up Utility

I am using a hard drive right now with both a NTFS partition (40 GB) and

some FAT32 partitions (20 GB and 40 GB each, respectively).

As I said, you CAN have > 4 GB for FAT32 PARTITIONS (and most commonly will

these days), but you CANNOT have any single FILE > 4GB, using FAT32.

If the program you are using won't allow you to create a FAT32 PARTITION

greater than 4 GB, that is a limitation of the program you are using.

Ed H wrote:

> No it can't. I tried to create one to my new external HD and it stopped at

> 4

> gigs saying it must be formatted to NTFS to be more than 4 gigs.

> --

> Ed H

> Dell Dimension 4550, WinXP Home SP2

> 60 Gig. HD, 512 DDR, Pentium IV 2.40 GHz.

>

> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

> news:O9JD4IktIHA.548@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>> Teneo wrote:

>>> If you want to backup small <=4Gb then a DVD with relevant software is

>>> ok.

>>> If want to backup up whole system then external USB hard drive is

>>> advisable... make sure you format it with NTFS as by default they are

>>> usually FAT32 and this will not allow backup file above 4GB

>>

>> WHO has a FILE > 4 GB? (ok, perhaps a few video camera geeks).

>> As for the partition size, even with FAT32 it certainly CAN be much

>> larger

>> than 4 GB.

>>

>>> "PD43" <pauld1943@comcast.net> wrote in message

>>> news:p9nm24dnuv9ko21kjeh5u7oje6g73n30jc@4ax.com...

>>>> "Patrick Keenan" <test@dev.null> wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> "Ed H" <w.whatkey@comcast.net> wrote in message

>>>>> news:uD0mzWgtIHA.1316@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>>>>> Regarding Win XP Back-up Utility.

>>>>>> It is it a reliable backup? Is my data safe to be recovered (assuming

>>>>>> I

>>>>>> back up to a safe place?)

>>>>>

>>>>> Some people find it reliable, others do not.

>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> If the file is too big, will the utility span multiple DVD's?

>>>>>

>>>>> No, it can't write to DVD or CDs at all, let alone span them.

>>>>>

>>>>> There are better backup apps available. many in the $50 range.

>>>>

>>>> Acronis True Image Home: $35 at Newegg.

May 15, 2008

Re: XP Back-up Utility

"Ed H" <w.whatkey@comcast.net> wrote:

>No it can't. I tried to create one to my new external HD and it stopped at 4

>gigs saying it must be formatted to NTFS to be more than 4 gigs.

Bill gets confused sometimes. He's kinda new to all this FAT32 vs

NTFS stuff.

>

>"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

>news:O9JD4IktIHA.548@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>> Teneo wrote:

>>> If you want to backup small <=4Gb then a DVD with relevant software is

>>> ok.

>>> If want to backup up whole system then external USB hard drive is

>>> advisable... make sure you format it with NTFS as by default they are

>>> usually FAT32 and this will not allow backup file above 4GB

>>

>> WHO has a FILE > 4 GB? (ok, perhaps a few video camera geeks).

>> As for the partition size, even with FAT32 it certainly CAN be much larger

>> than 4 GB.

May 15, 2008

Re: XP Back-up Utility

Of course if your backing up your system to an image and your using Acronis,

you can have it set to create what ever size you want. So if your running

Fat 32, you just set it to create images less than that (limitation of the

Operating System). Converting FAT 32 to NTFS is a piece of cake, very

reliable and recommended. I keep my images on a second harddrive that is in

a cradle. I just turn on the extra harddrive whenever I do my backups.

DVD's are okay too.

"Ed H" <w.whatkey@comcast.net> wrote in message

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> No it can't. I tried to create one to my new external HD and it stopped at

> 4 gigs saying it must be formatted to NTFS to be more than 4 gigs.

> --

> Ed H

> Dell Dimension 4550, WinXP Home SP2

> 60 Gig. HD, 512 DDR, Pentium IV 2.40 GHz.

>

> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

> news:O9JD4IktIHA.548@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>> Teneo wrote:

>>> If you want to backup small <=4Gb then a DVD with relevant software is

>>> ok.

>>> If want to backup up whole system then external USB hard drive is

>>> advisable... make sure you format it with NTFS as by default they are

>>> usually FAT32 and this will not allow backup file above 4GB

>>

>> WHO has a FILE > 4 GB? (ok, perhaps a few video camera geeks).

>> As for the partition size, even with FAT32 it certainly CAN be much

>> larger than 4 GB.

>>

>>> "PD43" <pauld1943@comcast.net> wrote in message

>>> news:p9nm24dnuv9ko21kjeh5u7oje6g73n30jc@4ax.com...

>>>> "Patrick Keenan" <test@dev.null> wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> "Ed H" <w.whatkey@comcast.net> wrote in message

>>>>> news:uD0mzWgtIHA.1316@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>>>>> Regarding Win XP Back-up Utility.

>>>>>> It is it a reliable backup? Is my data safe to be recovered (assuming

>>>>>> I

>>>>>> back up to a safe place?)

>>>>>

>>>>> Some people find it reliable, others do not.

>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> If the file is too big, will the utility span multiple DVD's?

>>>>>

>>>>> No, it can't write to DVD or CDs at all, let alone span them.

>>>>>

>>>>> There are better backup apps available. many in the $50 range.

>>>>

>>>> Acronis True Image Home: $35 at Newegg.

>>

>

May 15, 2008

Re: XP Back-up Utility

PD43, please learn to read for comprehension.

Thanks in advance.

PD43 wrote:

> "Ed H" <w.whatkey@comcast.net> wrote:

>

>> No it can't. I tried to create one to my new external HD and it stopped

>> at 4

>> gigs saying it must be formatted to NTFS to be more than 4 gigs.

>

> Bill gets confused sometimes. He's kinda new to all this FAT32 vs

> NTFS stuff.

>

>>

>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

>> news:O9JD4IktIHA.548@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>> Teneo wrote:

>>>> If you want to backup small <=4Gb then a DVD with relevant software is

>>>> ok.

>>>> If want to backup up whole system then external USB hard drive is

>>>> advisable... make sure you format it with NTFS as by default they are

>>>> usually FAT32 and this will not allow backup file above 4GB

>>>

>>> WHO has a FILE > 4 GB? (ok, perhaps a few video camera geeks).

>>> As for the partition size, even with FAT32 it certainly CAN be much

>>> larger

>>> than 4 GB.

May 15, 2008

Re: XP Back-up Utility

On Thu, 15 May 2008 21:47:44 GMT, " JCO" <J.Oliviero@verizon.net>

wrote:

> Converting FAT 32 to NTFS is a piece of cake, very

> reliable and recommended.

Regarding that conversion: To do it right, it's not quite as simple as

you may think. To convert to NTFS, you use the CONVERT command. But

first read http://www.aumha.org/a/ntfscvt.htm because there's an issue

regarding cluster size that isn't obvious.

Also note that conversion is a big step, affecting everything on your

drive. When you take such a big step, no matter how unlikely, it is

always possible that something could go wrong. For that reason, it's

prudent to make sure you have a backup of anything you can't afford to

lose before beginning.

--

Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

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May 15, 2008

Re: XP Back-up Utility

I agree on the backup and did not imply that you should do it with out a

backup. Having said that, I've done it more than 20 times and never had an

issue. Therefore, very simple and reliable. The convert command works and

Partition Magic is even better.

"Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message

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> On Thu, 15 May 2008 21:47:44 GMT, " JCO" <J.Oliviero@verizon.net>

> wrote:

>

>> Converting FAT 32 to NTFS is a piece of cake, very

>> reliable and recommended.

>

> Regarding that conversion: To do it right, it's not quite as simple as

> you may think. To convert to NTFS, you use the CONVERT command. But

> first read http://www.aumha.org/a/ntfscvt.htm because there's an issue

> regarding cluster size that isn't obvious.

>

> Also note that conversion is a big step, affecting everything on your

> drive. When you take such a big step, no matter how unlikely, it is

> always possible that something could go wrong. For that reason, it's

> prudent to make sure you have a backup of anything you can't afford to

> lose before beginning.

>

> --

> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

> Please Reply to the Newsgroup

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