||||| My experience with SP3 on 2 machines |||||

[Guest J Tinsby]

If you read my first posting that SP3 failed to install because I got

an " Access Denied" message you'll see that there is a KB 949377

article that addresses this issue.

 

I thought I'd be brave ( or stupid ) and run the registry mod that is

suggested in that KB article. This only took a few minutes and I went

about installing SP3 on my XP Pro Machine. While that was chugging

away I thought I'd put it on my wife's machine that she doesn't use at

all that runs XP Home.

 

That install went off without a hitch.................but it made the

machine so slow that it was unuseable, so yet another SP3 un-install

for me!

 

Now to my machine, it installed OK but I found the same thing the

machine was unacceptably slow especially on boot up and I had the fun

of watching the icons fill in one by one then the taskbar and then the

tooltray <sigh> just like my buddies machine acts mine did the same

thing afer a second try at an install.Plus in rendered my firewalls

inoperative on both machines........... So out it came.

 

The machine is back to normal now and it boots and runs like it did

before the dreaded SP3 install. I have now changed my auto updates to

warn me there are updates but don't d/l or install them. I don't ever

want to see SP3 again until it's "fixed" if such a thing is even

possible.

 

J T

[Guest PA Bear [MS MVP]]

Re: ||||| My experience with SP3 on 2 machines |||||

 

Why didn't you reply to your original thread?

==============================

Error message when you try to install WinXP SP3: "Access is denied" or

"Service Pack installation did not complete"

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/949377

 

WinXP SP3 - Read all prerequisites for a successful installation

http://msmvps.com/blogs/harrywaldron/archive/2008/05/08/windows-xp-sp3-read-all-prerequisites-for-a-successful-installation.aspx

 

Steps to take before you install WinXP SP3

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/950717

 

<IMHO>

Temporarily disable all real-time protections afforded by your anti-virus

application, any anti-spyware applications, and any third-party firewall

prior to installing SP3. If you disable a third-party firewall, make sure

you then enable the Windows Firewall: The machine should not be connected to

the internet without an active firewall.

 

NB ZA Free users: Uninstall ZA Free via Add/Remove Programs and enable the

Windows Firewall before installing SP3.

 

After installing SP3 /and rebooting twice/, check to make sure your

real-time protections have been re-enabled; If you disabled a third-party

firewall, remember to re-enable it and disable the Windows Firewall.

</IMHO>

 

Free unlimited installation and compatibility support is available for

Windows XP, but only for Service Pack 3 (SP3), until 14 Apr-09. Chat and

e-mail support is available only in the United States and Canada.

 

.. US:

http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?ln=en-us&prid=11273&gprid=522131

 

.. CA:

http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?ln=en-ca&prid=11273&gprid=522131

 

.. UK:

http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?ln=en-gb&prid=11273&gprid=522131

 

.. AU:

http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?ln=en-au&prid=11273&gprid=522131

 

.. Other: http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?gprid=1173 | select

Windows XP | select Windows XP Service Pack 3

--

~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002

AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net

DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

 

 

J Tinsby wrote:

> If you read my first posting that SP3 failed to install because I got

> an " Access Denied" message you'll see that there is a KB 949377

> article that addresses this issue.

>

> I thought I'd be brave ( or stupid ) and run the registry mod that is

> suggested in that KB article. This only took a few minutes and I went

> about installing SP3 on my XP Pro Machine. While that was chugging

> away I thought I'd put it on my wife's machine that she doesn't use at

> all that runs XP Home.

>

> That install went off without a hitch.................but it made the

> machine so slow that it was unuseable, so yet another SP3 un-install

> for me!

>

> Now to my machine, it installed OK but I found the same thing the

> machine was unacceptably slow especially on boot up and I had the fun

> of watching the icons fill in one by one then the taskbar and then the

> tooltray <sigh> just like my buddies machine acts mine did the same

> thing afer a second try at an install.Plus in rendered my firewalls

> inoperative on both machines........... So out it came.

>

> The machine is back to normal now and it boots and runs like it did

> before the dreaded SP3 install. I have now changed my auto updates to

> warn me there are updates but don't d/l or install them. I don't ever

> want to see SP3 again until it's "fixed" if such a thing is even

> possible.

>

> J T

[Guest Doug W.]

Re: ||||| My experience with SP3 on 2 machines |||||

 

You must have "strange" computers. Never heard of "slowdowns"

after SP 3 installations...especially where they made the

machines "unuseable". Pray tell us, what brand of computers are

these, so that we can avoid purchase of same in the future.

 

-

 

"J Tinsby" <reply@thegroup.org> wrote in message

news:f0no24p39hkbiqkmm6q8sba8qe2671rf6f@4ax.com...

> If you read my first posting that SP3 failed to install

> because I got

> an " Access Denied" message you'll see that there is a KB

> 949377

> article that addresses this issue.

>

> I thought I'd be brave ( or stupid ) and run the registry mod

> that is

> suggested in that KB article. This only took a few minutes

> and I went

> about installing SP3 on my XP Pro Machine. While that was

> chugging

> away I thought I'd put it on my wife's machine that she

> doesn't use at

> all that runs XP Home.

>

> That install went off without a hitch.................but it

> made the

> machine so slow that it was unuseable, so yet another SP3

> un-install

> for me!

>

> Now to my machine, it installed OK but I found the same thing

> the

> machine was unacceptably slow especially on boot up and I had

> the fun

> of watching the icons fill in one by one then the taskbar and

> then the

> tooltray <sigh> just like my buddies machine acts mine did the

> same

> thing afer a second try at an install.Plus in rendered my

> firewalls

> inoperative on both machines........... So out it came.

>

> The machine is back to normal now and it boots and runs like

> it did

> before the dreaded SP3 install. I have now changed my auto

> updates to

> warn me there are updates but don't d/l or install them. I

> don't ever

> want to see SP3 again until it's "fixed" if such a thing is

> even

> possible.

>

> J T

[Guest oscar]

RE: ||||| My experience with SP3 on 2 machines |||||

 

J T,

 

A year ago I had problems with installing updates. I tracked it down to a

damaged XP OS, so I did a system repair using 3rd party software and Viola-

no more problems. I have 4 XP machines and never had big problems with SP3.

Last month I cleaned up one of my XP machines; I reloaded XP, , programs,

anti-virus, etc and SP3 and its updates. No problems. Hums like a fine tuned

sports car (most of the time.)

 

I've been using XP for a few years now and Microsoft has been doing a good

job of fine tuning the OS and updates.

 

I'd look at your computer's OS and see if it's been damaged somehow by other

programs.

 

cheers...

 

oscar

 

"J Tinsby" wrote:

> If you read my first posting that SP3 failed to install because I got

> an " Access Denied" message you'll see that there is a KB 949377

> article that addresses this issue.

>

> I thought I'd be brave ( or stupid ) and run the registry mod that is

> suggested in that KB article. This only took a few minutes and I went

> about installing SP3 on my XP Pro Machine. While that was chugging

> away I thought I'd put it on my wife's machine that she doesn't use at

> all that runs XP Home.

>

> That install went off without a hitch.................but it made the

> machine so slow that it was unuseable, so yet another SP3 un-install

> for me!

>

> Now to my machine, it installed OK but I found the same thing the

> machine was unacceptably slow especially on boot up and I had the fun

> of watching the icons fill in one by one then the taskbar and then the

> tooltray <sigh> just like my buddies machine acts mine did the same

> thing afer a second try at an install.Plus in rendered my firewalls

> inoperative on both machines........... So out it came.

>

> The machine is back to normal now and it boots and runs like it did

> before the dreaded SP3 install. I have now changed my auto updates to

> warn me there are updates but don't d/l or install them. I don't ever

> want to see SP3 again until it's "fixed" if such a thing is even

> possible.

>

> J T

>

[Guest dave xnet]

Re: ||||| My experience with SP3 on 2 machines |||||

 

On Thu, 15 May 2008 12:59:34 -0400, "PA Bear [MS MVP]"

<PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote:

 

<snip>

>Temporarily disable all real-time protections afforded by your anti-virus

>application, any anti-spyware applications,

<snip>

 

 

Does Windows Defender have to be disabled before installing SP3?

Or is the servicepack smart enough to look for it and stop it

if necessary? Or even give a warning message?

 

I ask this because the first time I attempted SP3 I'd

completely overlooked WD, and it was left running.

It failed with "acces denied", (eventually sorted out by

running the MS tool) but did WD just add to the problems?

[Guest J Tinsby]

Re: ||||| My experience with SP3 on 2 machines |||||

 

On Thu, 15 May 2008 12:59:34 -0400, "PA Bear [MS MVP]"

<PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote:

>Why didn't you reply to your original thread?

 

I didn't think anyone was following it as seemed the last poster had a

different topic.

 

J T

 

>==============================

>Error message when you try to install WinXP SP3: "Access is denied" or

>"Service Pack installation did not complete"

>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/949377

>

>WinXP SP3 - Read all prerequisites for a successful installation

>http://msmvps.com/blogs/harrywaldron/archive/2008/05/08/windows-xp-sp3-read-all-prerequisites-for-a-successful-installation.aspx

>

>Steps to take before you install WinXP SP3

>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/950717

>

><IMHO>

>Temporarily disable all real-time protections afforded by your anti-virus

>application, any anti-spyware applications, and any third-party firewall

>prior to installing SP3. If you disable a third-party firewall, make sure

>you then enable the Windows Firewall: The machine should not be connected to

>the internet without an active firewall.

>

>NB ZA Free users: Uninstall ZA Free via Add/Remove Programs and enable the

>Windows Firewall before installing SP3.

>

>After installing SP3 /and rebooting twice/, check to make sure your

>real-time protections have been re-enabled; If you disabled a third-party

>firewall, remember to re-enable it and disable the Windows Firewall.

></IMHO>

>

>Free unlimited installation and compatibility support is available for

>Windows XP, but only for Service Pack 3 (SP3), until 14 Apr-09. Chat and

>e-mail support is available only in the United States and Canada.

>

>. US:

>http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?ln=en-us&prid=11273&gprid=522131

>

>. CA:

>http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?ln=en-ca&prid=11273&gprid=522131

>

>. UK:

>http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?ln=en-gb&prid=11273&gprid=522131

>

>. AU:

>http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?ln=en-au&prid=11273&gprid=522131

>

>. Other: http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?gprid=1173 | select

>Windows XP | select Windows XP Service Pack 3

[Guest J Tinsby]

Re: ||||| My experience with SP3 on 2 machines |||||

 

On Thu, 15 May 2008 11:31:27 -0600, "Doug W." <stand@attention> wrote:

>You must have "strange" computers. Never heard of "slowdowns"

>after SP 3 installations...especially where they made the

>machines "unuseable". Pray tell us, what brand of computers are

>these, so that we can avoid purchase of same in the future.

 

I love your sarcasm, that's a great way to solve problems. I'm betting

there are lots of problems you never heard of.

 

That aside one machine is a Dell that runs XP Home and the other is

one I built that runs XP Pro.

 

So if you don't buy a Dell or anything I build you should be fine, I'm

happy that YOUR machines are running fine after the SP3 install. I've

got better things to do than wait minutes for the icons on the desktop

to fill in one by one and then the taskbar & toolbar.

 

My machines will never see SP3 again.

 

J T

>

>-

>

>"J Tinsby" <reply@thegroup.org> wrote in message

>news:f0no24p39hkbiqkmm6q8sba8qe2671rf6f@4ax.com...

>> If you read my first posting that SP3 failed to install

>> because I got

>> an " Access Denied" message you'll see that there is a KB

>> 949377

>> article that addresses this issue.

>>

>> I thought I'd be brave ( or stupid ) and run the registry mod

>> that is

>> suggested in that KB article. This only took a few minutes

>> and I went

>> about installing SP3 on my XP Pro Machine. While that was

>> chugging

>> away I thought I'd put it on my wife's machine that she

>> doesn't use at

>> all that runs XP Home.

>>

>> That install went off without a hitch.................but it

>> made the

>> machine so slow that it was unuseable, so yet another SP3

>> un-install

>> for me!

>>

>> Now to my machine, it installed OK but I found the same thing

>> the

>> machine was unacceptably slow especially on boot up and I had

>> the fun

>> of watching the icons fill in one by one then the taskbar and

>> then the

>> tooltray <sigh> just like my buddies machine acts mine did the

>> same

>> thing afer a second try at an install.Plus in rendered my

>> firewalls

>> inoperative on both machines........... So out it came.

>>

>> The machine is back to normal now and it boots and runs like

>> it did

>> before the dreaded SP3 install. I have now changed my auto

>> updates to

>> warn me there are updates but don't d/l or install them. I

>> don't ever

>> want to see SP3 again until it's "fixed" if such a thing is

>> even

>> possible.

>>

>> J T

[Guest ANONYMOUS]

Re: ||||| My experience with SP3 on 2 machines |||||

 

 

If you want trouble free installation of SP3, then I suggest download the

full-file version of SP3, then go off-line (i.e. unplug the cable from

modem/lan), reboot the system in SAFE MODE, Install the SP3, reboot the system

normally, problem solved!!

 

To go into SAFE MODE, you need to press F8 key when booting so that black

screen with DOS-Like characters appear where you can use arrow keys to go to

the first item SAFE MODE.

 

hth

 

 

dave xnet wrote:

> Does Windows Defender have to be disabled before installing SP3?

> Or is the servicepack smart enough to look for it and stop it

> if necessary? Or even give a warning message?

>

> I ask this because the first time I attempted SP3 I'd

> completely overlooked WD, and it was left running.

> It failed with "acces denied", (eventually sorted out by

> running the MS tool) but did WD just add to the problems?

[Guest Lars-Eric]

RE: ||||| My experience with SP3 on 2 machines |||||

 

Hi J!

 

My feelings are with you J! Of course people makes stupid comments on

"losers" like us with less computer experience and competence. Let’s say it

has to do with meanness.

I think that our common problem is slightly older computer with slower

components in combination with over filled hard discs. A new installation

would probably speed up things. But what will happen to our "savings"?

Probably lost in cyberspace!

 

There are several more reasons why sp3 doesn't work that well. It's been a

while since Xp first was released and now there is millions of combination of

components that's supposed to work together. (People don't mix why should

soulless machines do?) And with more impressive effects follows huge programs

that are supposed to process in the same time as the old ones. (Here's a

secret, they can't!)That's probably why Vista seems so slow even with double

cores and triple RAMs.

 

--

Carpe diem

 

 

"J Tinsby" wrote:

> If you read my first posting that SP3 failed to install because I got

> an " Access Denied" message you'll see that there is a KB 949377

> article that addresses this issue.

>

> I thought I'd be brave ( or stupid ) and run the registry mod that is

> suggested in that KB article. This only took a few minutes and I went

> about installing SP3 on my XP Pro Machine. While that was chugging

> away I thought I'd put it on my wife's machine that she doesn't use at

> all that runs XP Home.

>

> That install went off without a hitch.................but it made the

> machine so slow that it was unuseable, so yet another SP3 un-install

> for me!

>

> Now to my machine, it installed OK but I found the same thing the

> machine was unacceptably slow especially on boot up and I had the fun

> of watching the icons fill in one by one then the taskbar and then the

> tooltray <sigh> just like my buddies machine acts mine did the same

> thing afer a second try at an install.Plus in rendered my firewalls

> inoperative on both machines........... So out it came.

>

> The machine is back to normal now and it boots and runs like it did

> before the dreaded SP3 install. I have now changed my auto updates to

> warn me there are updates but don't d/l or install them. I don't ever

> want to see SP3 again until it's "fixed" if such a thing is even

> possible.

>

> J T

>

[Guest Doug W.]

Re: ||||| My experience with SP3 on 2 machines |||||

 

 

"J Tinsby" <reply@thegroup.org> wrote in message

news:a47p249q9muoqvkdgjq0vqp7ma7stu8l19@4ax.com...

> On Thu, 15 May 2008 11:31:27 -0600, "Doug W."

> <stand@attention> wrote:

>

>>You must have "strange" computers. Never heard of "slowdowns"

>>after SP 3 installations...especially where they made the

>>machines "unuseable". Pray tell us, what brand of computers

>>are

>>these, so that we can avoid purchase of same in the future.

>

> I love your sarcasm, that's a great way to solve problems. I'm

> betting

> there are lots of problems you never heard of.

>

> That aside one machine is a Dell that runs XP Home and the

> other is

> one I built that runs XP Pro.

>

> So if you don't buy a Dell or anything I build you should be

> fine, I'm

> happy that YOUR machines are running fine after the SP3

> install. I've

> got better things to do than wait minutes for the icons on the

> desktop

> to fill in one by one and then the taskbar & toolbar.

>

> My machines will never see SP3 again.

>

> J T

>

 

Sorry about that...I guess I was a bit sarcastic...well actually

a whole lot. I did have problems as I have an AMD Athlon 64, but

after I got that straightened out, the computer is as speedy as

ever if not just a bit faster in some aspects of operation.

-

Doug W.

======

>>

>>-

>>

>>"J Tinsby" <reply@thegroup.org> wrote in message

>>news:f0no24p39hkbiqkmm6q8sba8qe2671rf6f@4ax.com...

>>> If you read my first posting that SP3 failed to install

>>> because I got

>>> an " Access Denied" message you'll see that there is a KB

>>> 949377

>>> article that addresses this issue.

>>>

>>> I thought I'd be brave ( or stupid ) and run the registry

>>> mod

>>> that is

>>> suggested in that KB article. This only took a few minutes

>>> and I went

>>> about installing SP3 on my XP Pro Machine. While that was

>>> chugging

>>> away I thought I'd put it on my wife's machine that she

>>> doesn't use at

>>> all that runs XP Home.

>>>

>>> That install went off without a hitch.................but it

>>> made the

>>> machine so slow that it was unuseable, so yet another SP3

>>> un-install

>>> for me!

>>>

>>> Now to my machine, it installed OK but I found the same

>>> thing

>>> the

>>> machine was unacceptably slow especially on boot up and I

>>> had

>>> the fun

>>> of watching the icons fill in one by one then the taskbar

>>> and

>>> then the

>>> tooltray <sigh> just like my buddies machine acts mine did

>>> the

>>> same

>>> thing afer a second try at an install.Plus in rendered my

>>> firewalls

>>> inoperative on both machines........... So out it came.

>>>

>>> The machine is back to normal now and it boots and runs like

>>> it did

>>> before the dreaded SP3 install. I have now changed my auto

>>> updates to

>>> warn me there are updates but don't d/l or install them. I

>>> don't ever

>>> want to see SP3 again until it's "fixed" if such a thing is

>>> even

>>> possible.

>>>

>>> J T

>

[Guest PA Bear [MS MVP]]

Re: ||||| My experience with SP3 on 2 machines |||||

 

dave xnet wrote:

> On Thu, 15 May 2008 12:59:34 -0400, "PA Bear [MS MVP]"

> <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote:

>

> <snip>

>> Temporarily disable all real-time protections afforded by your anti-virus

>> application, any anti-spyware applications,

> <snip>

>

>

> Does Windows Defender have to be disabled before installing SP3?

> Or is the servicepack smart enough to look for it and stop it

> if necessary? Or even give a warning message?

>

> I ask this because the first time I attempted SP3 I'd

> completely overlooked WD, and it was left running.

> It failed with "acces denied", (eventually sorted out by

> running the MS tool) but did WD just add to the problems?

 

I'd disable Defender myself before installing SP3 but I very much doubt it

had anything to do with your Access Denied error:

 

Error message when you try to install WinXP SP3: "Access is denied" or

"Service Pack installation did not complete"

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/949377

--

~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002

AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net

DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

[Guest DrTeeth]

Re: ||||| My experience with SP3 on 2 machines |||||

 

On Thu, 15 May 2008 12:03:27 -0400, J Tinsby <reply@thegroup.org>

wrote:

>Now to my machine, it installed OK but I found the same thing the

>machine was unacceptably slow especially on boot up and I had the fun

>of watching the icons fill in one by one then the taskbar and then the

>tooltray

 

When SP3 is installed, it removes *all* the speedup optimisations in

the prefetch folder and you will find SP3 much slower initially, both

booting and loading programs. Over time, like when you first got the

PC, XP will optimise itself again back to normal speed.

 

--

Cheers,

 

DrT

 

** Stress - the condition brought about by having to

** resist the temptation to beat the living daylights

** out of someone who richly deserves it.

[Guest Dustin Cook]

Re: ||||| My experience with SP3 on 2 machines |||||

 

J Tinsby <reply@thegroup.org> wrote in

news:f0no24p39hkbiqkmm6q8sba8qe2671rf6f@4ax.com:

> Now to my machine, it installed OK but I found the same thing the

> machine was unacceptably slow especially on boot up and I had the fun

> of watching the icons fill in one by one then the taskbar and then the

> tooltray <sigh> just like my buddies machine acts mine did the same

> thing afer a second try at an install.Plus in rendered my firewalls

> inoperative on both machines........... So out it came.

 

Sorry to be joining in the conversation so late, are the computers you

have tried to install SP3 on AMD based?

 

 

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BugHunter - http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk

MalwareBytes - http://www.malwarebytes.org

[Guest - Bobb -]

Re: ||||| My experience with SP3 on 2 machines |||||

 

 

"Dustin Cook" <bughunter.dustin@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:Xns9AF423F8E575HHI2948AJD832@69.16.185.247...

>J Tinsby <reply@thegroup.org> wrote in

> news:f0no24p39hkbiqkmm6q8sba8qe2671rf6f@4ax.com:

>

>> Now to my machine, it installed OK but I found the same thing the

>> machine was unacceptably slow especially on boot up and I had the fun

>> of watching the icons fill in one by one then the taskbar and then the

>> tooltray <sigh> just like my buddies machine acts mine did the same

>> thing afer a second try at an install.Plus in rendered my firewalls

>> inoperative on both machines........... So out it came.

 

Not SP3 - but note:

Family doesn't autoupdate so when I visit I usually fetch

security/required stuff for them.

 

I had similar experience of very slow icons appearing after I did the

FIRST update ( something had to be run by itself ) and rebooted. SLOW

icons on desktop. I reran WU and there were a bunch more updates needed. I

chose security updates again and WMP ( they had V9 - upgraded to V11) and

then rebooted. After THAT reboot - it was fine, so it MAY be there is an

update to one of your updates. If it happens again rerun WU interactively

and choose - custom - select all relevant updates.