Would you want THESE GUYS touching your PC?

[Guest jim]

As you probably know, Geek Squad is owned by Best Buy and operates right out

of their stores. So, it is reasonable to assume that Best Buy sets the tone

for how Geek Squad operates (except for the influence that Microsoft's

$200,000,000 cash infusion gives them, of course).

 

Seeing as how the tone for the overall Best Buy/Geek Squad operations are

set by Best Buy, it would behoove people to take note as to how Best Buy

treats its customers before using the services of Geek Squad.

 

As reported on CNET

(http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9947410-7.html?tag=nefd.top), Best Buy has

been selling customers old ANALOG (that means the TVs are not ready for the

February 17, 2009 switch of ALL television to digital signals) televisions

without the stickers MANDATED by the FCC that warn buyers that the sets will

not work after February 17, 2009 without buying an additional digital

converter.

 

That's nice. Screwing the public to dump old analog TVs that will work for

less than a year without the new digital signal converters.

 

Makes me wonder what old, out-of-date crap Geek Squad is installing on

people's PCs.

 

jim

[Guest Mark H]

Re: Would you want THESE GUYS touching your PC?

 

Your TV will not work if you do not receive Satellite or Cable and it is not

digital ready.

 

If you currently receive Satellite or Cable, it will work just fine and the

TVs are a lot cheaper.

 

 

"jim" <jim@home.net> wrote in message

news:4OxYj.25248$C8.21645@bignews2.bellsouth.net...

> As you probably know, Geek Squad is owned by Best Buy and operates right

out

> of their stores. So, it is reasonable to assume that Best Buy sets the

tone

> for how Geek Squad operates (except for the influence that Microsoft's

> $200,000,000 cash infusion gives them, of course).

>

> Seeing as how the tone for the overall Best Buy/Geek Squad operations are

> set by Best Buy, it would behoove people to take note as to how Best Buy

> treats its customers before using the services of Geek Squad.

>

> As reported on CNET

> (http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9947410-7.html?tag=nefd.top), Best Buy

has

> been selling customers old ANALOG (that means the TVs are not ready for

the

> February 17, 2009 switch of ALL television to digital signals) televisions

> without the stickers MANDATED by the FCC that warn buyers that the sets

will

> not work after February 17, 2009 without buying an additional digital

> converter.

>

> That's nice. Screwing the public to dump old analog TVs that will work

for

> less than a year without the new digital signal converters.

>

> Makes me wonder what old, out-of-date crap Geek Squad is installing on

> people's PCs.

>

> jim

>

>

[Guest Mike Hall - MVP]

Re: Would you want THESE GUYS touching your PC?

 

"jim" <jim@home.net> wrote in message

news:4OxYj.25248$C8.21645@bignews2.bellsouth.net...

> As you probably know, Geek Squad is owned by Best Buy and operates right

> out of their stores. So, it is reasonable to assume that Best Buy sets

> the tone for how Geek Squad operates (except for the influence that

> Microsoft's $200,000,000 cash infusion gives them, of course).

>

> Seeing as how the tone for the overall Best Buy/Geek Squad operations are

> set by Best Buy, it would behoove people to take note as to how Best Buy

> treats its customers before using the services of Geek Squad.

>

> As reported on CNET

> (http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9947410-7.html?tag=nefd.top), Best Buy

> has been selling customers old ANALOG (that means the TVs are not ready

> for the February 17, 2009 switch of ALL television to digital signals)

> televisions without the stickers MANDATED by the FCC that warn buyers that

> the sets will not work after February 17, 2009 without buying an

> additional digital converter.

>

> That's nice. Screwing the public to dump old analog TVs that will work

> for less than a year without the new digital signal converters.

>

> Makes me wonder what old, out-of-date crap Geek Squad is installing on

> people's PCs.

>

> jim

>

 

 

Digital cable and satellite boxes will convert to analogue, so the TVs will

still work, but you are right in that Best Buy and other major computer

stores have little integrity, and service to the customer runs second to

making money..

 

 

--

Mike Hall - MVP

How to construct a good post..

http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm

How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc

Mike's Window - My Blog..

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[Guest Joseph Meehan]

Re: Would you want THESE GUYS touching your PC?

 

"jim" <jim@home.net> wrote in message

news:4OxYj.25248$C8.21645@bignews2.bellsouth.net...

>

> As reported on CNET

> (http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9947410-7.html?tag=nefd.top), Best Buy

> has been selling customers old ANALOG (that means the TVs are not ready

> for the February 17, 2009 switch of ALL television to digital signals)

> televisions without the stickers MANDATED by the FCC that warn buyers that

> the sets will not work after February 17, 2009 without buying an

> additional digital converter.

>

> That's nice. Screwing the public to dump old analog TVs that will work

> for less than a year without the new digital signal converters.

>

 

 

Actually it indicates how inaccurate CNET or someone who may have edited

their report may be.

 

Those TVs will still function and only those who rely on antenna

signals, not those who are getting dish or cable who will have no problems.

 

--

Joseph Meehan

 

Dia 's Muire duit

[Guest john]

Re: Would you want THESE GUYS touching your PC?

 

 

"Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in message

news:%23gMUH1muIHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>

> Digital cable and satellite boxes will convert to analogue, so the TVs

> will still work, but you are right in that Best Buy and other major

> computer stores have little integrity, and service to the customer runs

> second to making money..

>

 

exactly, same goes for Microsoft.

[Guest Colin Barnhorst]

Re: Would you want THESE GUYS touching your PC?

 

The converter boxes will allow analog sets to continue to work with

over-the-air tv. No satellite or cable is required.

 

"Mark H" <jmhonzell@nospam.comcast.net> wrote in message

news:O9e3xzmuIHA.6096@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> Your TV will not work if you do not receive Satellite or Cable and it is

> not

> digital ready.

>

> If you currently receive Satellite or Cable, it will work just fine and

> the

> TVs are a lot cheaper.

>

>

> "jim" <jim@home.net> wrote in message

> news:4OxYj.25248$C8.21645@bignews2.bellsouth.net...

>> As you probably know, Geek Squad is owned by Best Buy and operates right

> out

>> of their stores. So, it is reasonable to assume that Best Buy sets the

> tone

>> for how Geek Squad operates (except for the influence that Microsoft's

>> $200,000,000 cash infusion gives them, of course).

>>

>> Seeing as how the tone for the overall Best Buy/Geek Squad operations are

>> set by Best Buy, it would behoove people to take note as to how Best Buy

>> treats its customers before using the services of Geek Squad.

>>

>> As reported on CNET

>> (http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9947410-7.html?tag=nefd.top), Best Buy

> has

>> been selling customers old ANALOG (that means the TVs are not ready for

> the

>> February 17, 2009 switch of ALL television to digital signals)

>> televisions

>> without the stickers MANDATED by the FCC that warn buyers that the sets

> will

>> not work after February 17, 2009 without buying an additional digital

>> converter.

>>

>> That's nice. Screwing the public to dump old analog TVs that will work

> for

>> less than a year without the new digital signal converters.

>>

>> Makes me wonder what old, out-of-date crap Geek Squad is installing on

>> people's PCs.

>>

>> jim

>>

>>

>

>

[Guest jim]

Re: Would you want THESE GUYS touching your PC?

 

Of course you are right, but why wouldn't Best Buy tell their customers

this?

 

"Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message

news:7BF56597-8493-4E6E-B9D9-EA06038C1D16@microsoft.com...

> The converter boxes will allow analog sets to continue to work with

> over-the-air tv. No satellite or cable is required.

>

> "Mark H" <jmhonzell@nospam.comcast.net> wrote in message

> news:O9e3xzmuIHA.6096@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>> Your TV will not work if you do not receive Satellite or Cable and it is

>> not

>> digital ready.

>>

>> If you currently receive Satellite or Cable, it will work just fine and

>> the

>> TVs are a lot cheaper.

>>

>>

>> "jim" <jim@home.net> wrote in message

>> news:4OxYj.25248$C8.21645@bignews2.bellsouth.net...

>>> As you probably know, Geek Squad is owned by Best Buy and operates right

>> out

>>> of their stores. So, it is reasonable to assume that Best Buy sets the

>> tone

>>> for how Geek Squad operates (except for the influence that Microsoft's

>>> $200,000,000 cash infusion gives them, of course).

>>>

>>> Seeing as how the tone for the overall Best Buy/Geek Squad operations

>>> are

>>> set by Best Buy, it would behoove people to take note as to how Best Buy

>>> treats its customers before using the services of Geek Squad.

>>>

>>> As reported on CNET

>>> (http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9947410-7.html?tag=nefd.top), Best Buy

>> has

>>> been selling customers old ANALOG (that means the TVs are not ready for

>> the

>>> February 17, 2009 switch of ALL television to digital signals)

>>> televisions

>>> without the stickers MANDATED by the FCC that warn buyers that the sets

>> will

>>> not work after February 17, 2009 without buying an additional digital

>>> converter.

>>>

>>> That's nice. Screwing the public to dump old analog TVs that will work

>> for

>>> less than a year without the new digital signal converters.

>>>

>>> Makes me wonder what old, out-of-date crap Geek Squad is installing on

>>> people's PCs.

>>>

>>> jim

>>>

>>>

>>

>>

>

[Guest Mike Hall - MVP]

Re: Would you want THESE GUYS touching your PC?

 

"john" <john@msn.com> wrote in message

news:eEuN3nnuIHA.3792@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>

> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in message

> news:%23gMUH1muIHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>

>> Digital cable and satellite boxes will convert to analogue, so the TVs

>> will still work, but you are right in that Best Buy and other major

>> computer stores have little integrity, and service to the customer runs

>> second to making money..

>>

>

> exactly, same goes for Microsoft.

>

>

 

 

And the people behind Linux Distros also make money..

 

--

Mike Hall - MVP

How to construct a good post..

http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm

How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc

Mike's Window - My Blog..

http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

[Guest john]

Re: Would you want THESE GUYS touching your PC?

 

 

"Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in message

news:OB8GRUouIHA.4260@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> "john" <john@msn.com> wrote in message

> news:eEuN3nnuIHA.3792@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>

>> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in message

>> news:%23gMUH1muIHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>>

>>> Digital cable and satellite boxes will convert to analogue, so the TVs

>>> will still work, but you are right in that Best Buy and other major

>>> computer stores have little integrity, and service to the customer runs

>>> second to making money..

>>>

>>

>> exactly, same goes for Microsoft.

>>

>>

>

>

> And the people behind Linux Distros also make money..

 

glad to see you agree that Microsoft has little integrity and service to the

customer runs second to making money.

[Guest AJR]

Re: Would you want THESE GUYS touching your PC?

 

John - I'm confused regarding "...service to the

customer runs second to making money. .." - what companies can you name

whose sole purpose is NOT to "make money"?

 

BTW - It is unfortunate that mose people have no other recourse then to use

Best Buy, Circuit City, etc. for advice and service .

 

"john" <john@msn.com> wrote in message

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>

> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in message

> news:OB8GRUouIHA.4260@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>> "john" <john@msn.com> wrote in message

>> news:eEuN3nnuIHA.3792@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>>

>>> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in message

>>> news:%23gMUH1muIHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>>>

>>>> Digital cable and satellite boxes will convert to analogue, so the TVs

>>>> will still work, but you are right in that Best Buy and other major

>>>> computer stores have little integrity, and service to the customer runs

>>>> second to making money..

>>>>

>>>

>>> exactly, same goes for Microsoft.

>>>

>>>

>>

>>

>> And the people behind Linux Distros also make money..

>

> glad to see you agree that Microsoft has little integrity and service to

> the customer runs second to making money.

>

[Guest Mike Hall - MVP]

Re: Would you want THESE GUYS touching your PC?

 

"john" <john@msn.com> wrote in message

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>

> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in message

> news:OB8GRUouIHA.4260@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>> "john" <john@msn.com> wrote in message

>> news:eEuN3nnuIHA.3792@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>>

>>> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in message

>>> news:%23gMUH1muIHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>>>

>>>> Digital cable and satellite boxes will convert to analogue, so the TVs

>>>> will still work, but you are right in that Best Buy and other major

>>>> computer stores have little integrity, and service to the customer runs

>>>> second to making money..

>>>>

>>>

>>> exactly, same goes for Microsoft.

>>>

>>>

>>

>>

>> And the people behind Linux Distros also make money..

>

> glad to see you agree that Microsoft has little integrity and service to

> the customer runs second to making money.

>

 

 

Without the making of money, there would be no service, no development,

nada..

 

Linux is offered free on the back of other money making enterprises..

 

Do NOT accredit me with words that are not mine..

 

 

--

Mike Hall - MVP

How to construct a good post..

http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm

How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc

Mike's Window - My Blog..

http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

[Guest Synapse Syndrome]

Re: Would you want THESE GUYS touching your PC?

 

"Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message

news:7BF56597-8493-4E6E-B9D9-EA06038C1D16@microsoft.com...

> The converter boxes will allow analog sets to continue to work with

> over-the-air tv. No satellite or cable is required.

 

I don't know about what you call these in America, but we do not call them

converter boxes. They are digital terrestrial receivers, as these analogue

TVs just lack digital tuners.

 

ss.

[Guest Tim Slattery]

Re: Would you want THESE GUYS touching your PC?

 

"Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote:

>The converter boxes will allow analog sets to continue to work with

>over-the-air tv. No satellite or cable is required.

 

Yes but....there's an article in the Washington Post this morning

about how the digital over-the-air signals are not as robust as analog

signals. Somebody who gets acceptable over-the-air analog reception

might not do so well with digital signals.

 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/19/AR2008051902730.html?hpid=moreheadlines

 

--

Tim Slattery

MS MVP(Shell/User)

Slattery_T@bls.gov

http://members.cox.net/slatteryt

[Guest john]

Re: Would you want THESE GUYS touching your PC?

 

 

"Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in message

news:uywxy4ouIHA.2208@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> "john" <john@msn.com> wrote in message

> news:%23wwV8WouIHA.3680@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>

>> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in message

>> news:OB8GRUouIHA.4260@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>> "john" <john@msn.com> wrote in message

>>> news:eEuN3nnuIHA.3792@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>>>

>>>> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in message

>>>> news:%23gMUH1muIHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>>>>

>>>>> Digital cable and satellite boxes will convert to analogue, so the TVs

>>>>> will still work, but you are right in that Best Buy and other major

>>>>> computer stores have little integrity, and service to the customer

>>>>> runs second to making money..

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>> exactly, same goes for Microsoft.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> And the people behind Linux Distros also make money..

>>

>> glad to see you agree that Microsoft has little integrity and service to

>> the customer runs second to making money.

>>

>

>

> Without the making of money, there would be no service, no development,

> nada..

>

> Linux is offered free on the back of other money making enterprises..

>

> Do NOT accredit me with words that are not mine..

 

you took my statement and added "And..."

that generally means in addition to.

sounded like an agreement to me.

[Guest Adam Albright]

Re: Would you want THESE GUYS touching your PC?

 

On Tue, 20 May 2008 12:32:22 -0400, "john" <john@msn.com> wrote:

>

>"Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in message

>news:uywxy4ouIHA.2208@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>> "john" <john@msn.com> wrote in message

>> news:%23wwV8WouIHA.3680@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>>

>>> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in message

>>> news:OB8GRUouIHA.4260@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>>> "john" <john@msn.com> wrote in message

>>>> news:eEuN3nnuIHA.3792@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>>>>

>>>>> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in message

>>>>> news:%23gMUH1muIHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Digital cable and satellite boxes will convert to analogue, so the TVs

>>>>>> will still work, but you are right in that Best Buy and other major

>>>>>> computer stores have little integrity, and service to the customer

>>>>>> runs second to making money..

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> exactly, same goes for Microsoft.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> And the people behind Linux Distros also make money..

>>>

>>> glad to see you agree that Microsoft has little integrity and service to

>>> the customer runs second to making money.

>>>

>>

>>

>> Without the making of money, there would be no service, no development,

>> nada..

>>

>> Linux is offered free on the back of other money making enterprises..

>>

>> Do NOT accredit me with words that are not mine..

>

>you took my statement and added "And..."

>that generally means in addition to.

>sounded like an agreement to me.

>

 

Always fun to watch Mike Hall try to wiggle out of what he said.

 

Memo to Mike Hall:

 

The word 'and' is intended to indicate some connection or additions to

what was previously said. Often used to express logical modification,

some consequence or supplementary explanation to another. May be used

to form a conjunction, list more of the same or of a similar kind.

 

Always amusing to see the Microsoft fateful exclude Microsoft from

what they admit are a laundry list of sins of other software

companies, software/hardware retailers etc., when everybody knows

Microsoft is the biggest offender when it comes to poor service,

crappy always buggy products and attempts to bully and be the 800

pound gorilla in the room.

 

You see Mike, that MVP badge you so love to flash around looks pretty

tarnished when you always excuse Microsoft no matter what pretending

they are guiltless, like a good little fanboy is suppose to do.

[Guest Robert Pendell]

Re: Would you want THESE GUYS touching your PC?

 

Tim Slattery wrote:

> "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote:

>

>> The converter boxes will allow analog sets to continue to work with

>> over-the-air tv. No satellite or cable is required.

>

> Yes but....there's an article in the Washington Post this morning

> about how the digital over-the-air signals are not as robust as analog

> signals. Somebody who gets acceptable over-the-air analog reception

> might not do so well with digital signals.

>

> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/19/AR2008051902730.html?hpid=moreheadlines

>

 

It is that digital signals are more picky about the signal quality. You

will need a higher signal strength to get a respectable digital signal

otherwise you will get a pretty bad picture.

 

 

--

Robert Pendell

shinji@elite-systems.org

 

"A perfect world is one of chaos."

 

Thawte Web of Trust Notary

CAcert Assurer

[Guest Robert Pendell]

Re: Would you want THESE GUYS touching your PC?

 

jim wrote:

> As you probably know, Geek Squad is owned by Best Buy and operates right out

> of their stores. So, it is reasonable to assume that Best Buy sets the tone

> for how Geek Squad operates (except for the influence that Microsoft's

> $200,000,000 cash infusion gives them, of course).

>

> Seeing as how the tone for the overall Best Buy/Geek Squad operations are

> set by Best Buy, it would behoove people to take note as to how Best Buy

> treats its customers before using the services of Geek Squad.

>

> As reported on CNET

> (http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9947410-7.html?tag=nefd.top), Best Buy has

> been selling customers old ANALOG (that means the TVs are not ready for the

> February 17, 2009 switch of ALL television to digital signals) televisions

> without the stickers MANDATED by the FCC that warn buyers that the sets will

> not work after February 17, 2009 without buying an additional digital

> converter.

>

> That's nice. Screwing the public to dump old analog TVs that will work for

> less than a year without the new digital signal converters.

>

> Makes me wonder what old, out-of-date crap Geek Squad is installing on

> people's PCs.

>

> jim

>

>

 

This applies to over the air signals only. If you use any other source

for the signal then they are fine.

 

--

Robert Pendell

shinji@elite-systems.org

 

"A perfect world is one of chaos."

 

Thawte Web of Trust Notary

CAcert Assurer

[Guest Robert Pendell]

Re: Would you want THESE GUYS touching your PC?

 

Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

> "john" <john@msn.com> wrote in message

> news:eEuN3nnuIHA.3792@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>

>> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in message

>> news:%23gMUH1muIHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>>

>>> Digital cable and satellite boxes will convert to analogue, so the

>>> TVs will still work, but you are right in that Best Buy and other

>>> major computer stores have little integrity, and service to the

>>> customer runs second to making money..

>>>

>>

>> exactly, same goes for Microsoft.

>>

>>

>

>

> And the people behind Linux Distros also make money..

>

 

Not all of them.

 

--

Robert Pendell

shinji@elite-systems.org

 

"A perfect world is one of chaos."

 

Thawte Web of Trust Notary

CAcert Assurer

[Guest Jim]

Re: Would you want THESE GUYS touching your PC?

 

 

"Tim Slattery" <Slattery_T@bls.gov> wrote in message

news:47u5341jo4viirjaq75bmub44kd1sjbb16@4ax.com...

> "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote:

>

>>The converter boxes will allow analog sets to continue to work with

>>over-the-air tv. No satellite or cable is required.

>

> Yes but....there's an article in the Washington Post this morning

> about how the digital over-the-air signals are not as robust as analog

> signals. Somebody who gets acceptable over-the-air analog reception

> might not do so well with digital signals.

>

> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/19/AR2008051902730.html?hpid=moreheadlines

>

> --

> Tim Slattery

> MS MVP(Shell/User)

> Slattery_T@bls.gov

> http://members.cox.net/slatteryt

Perhaps that is correct for some sets in some localities. However, my TV

receives both analog and digital signals. The only difference I see is that

the digital signals are sharper and have better colors.

 

Jim

[Guest Terry R.]

Re: Would you want THESE GUYS touching your PC?

 

The date and time was 5/20/2008 10:32 AM, and on a whim, Jim pounded out

on the keyboard:

> "Tim Slattery" <Slattery_T@bls.gov> wrote in message

> news:47u5341jo4viirjaq75bmub44kd1sjbb16@4ax.com...

>> "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote:

>>

>>> The converter boxes will allow analog sets to continue to work with

>>> over-the-air tv. No satellite or cable is required.

>> Yes but....there's an article in the Washington Post this morning

>> about how the digital over-the-air signals are not as robust as analog

>> signals. Somebody who gets acceptable over-the-air analog reception

>> might not do so well with digital signals.

>>

>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/19/AR2008051902730.html?hpid=moreheadlines

>>

>> --

>> Tim Slattery

>> MS MVP(Shell/User)

>> Slattery_T@bls.gov

>> http://members.cox.net/slatteryt

> Perhaps that is correct for some sets in some localities. However, my TV

> receives both analog and digital signals. The only difference I see is that

> the digital signals are sharper and have better colors.

>

> Jim

>

>

 

Those living in the boonies will suffer the most probably. Since analog

gives varying degrees of quality, from lousy to good, digital will

either work or it won't. You won't "kind" of get a signal. If it's not

strong enough, you're out of luck.

 

--

Terry R.

 

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[Guest Bill Yanaire]

Re: Would you want THESE GUYS touching your PC?

 

 

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

news:asv534t007kbrt2vb04u1kga5eerckd2ee@4ax.com...

> On Tue, 20 May 2008 12:32:22 -0400, "john" <john@msn.com> wrote:

>

>>

>>"Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in message

>>news:uywxy4ouIHA.2208@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>> "john" <john@msn.com> wrote in message

>>> news:%23wwV8WouIHA.3680@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>>>

>>>> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in message

>>>> news:OB8GRUouIHA.4260@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>>>> "john" <john@msn.com> wrote in message

>>>>> news:eEuN3nnuIHA.3792@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>>>>>

>>>>>> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in message

>>>>>> news:%23gMUH1muIHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Digital cable and satellite boxes will convert to analogue, so the

>>>>>>> TVs

>>>>>>> will still work, but you are right in that Best Buy and other major

>>>>>>> computer stores have little integrity, and service to the customer

>>>>>>> runs second to making money..

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> exactly, same goes for Microsoft.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> And the people behind Linux Distros also make money..

>>>>

>>>> glad to see you agree that Microsoft has little integrity and service

>>>> to

>>>> the customer runs second to making money.

>>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Without the making of money, there would be no service, no development,

>>> nada..

>>>

>>> Linux is offered free on the back of other money making enterprises..

>>>

>>> Do NOT accredit me with words that are not mine..

>>

>>you took my statement and added "And..."

>>that generally means in addition to.

>>sounded like an agreement to me.

>>

>

> Always fun to watch Mike Hall try to wiggle out of what he said.

>

> Memo to Mike Hall:

>

> The word 'and' is intended to indicate some connection or additions to

> what was previously said. Often used to express logical modification,

> some consequence or supplementary explanation to another. May be used

> to form a conjunction, list more of the same or of a similar kind.

>

> Always amusing to see the Microsoft fateful exclude Microsoft from

> what they admit are a laundry list of sins of other software

> companies, software/hardware retailers etc., when everybody knows

> Microsoft is the biggest offender when it comes to poor service,

> crappy always buggy products and attempts to bully and be the 800

> pound gorilla in the room.

>

> You see Mike, that MVP badge you so love to flash around looks pretty

> tarnished when you always excuse Microsoft no matter what pretending

> they are guiltless, like a good little fanboy is suppose to do.

>

 

Memo to Adam Albright:

 

The word "retard" is reserved for our special child in this group and you

just happen to fit that bill. You always love to put down everyone who

doesn't agree with your views on Vista. That makes you look stupid in this

group and you lose credibility every time you post. Pretty soon, most

people will killfile your sorry ass and you will look more like the fool you

already are. Take the "and" and shove it where the sun DON'T shine.

 

Now go see if you can get a T1 line so you can have bandwith for your EGO.

[Guest Bob I]

Re: Would you want THESE GUYS touching your PC?

 

 

 

Terry R. wrote:

> The date and time was 5/20/2008 10:32 AM, and on a whim, Jim pounded out

> on the keyboard:

>

>> "Tim Slattery" <Slattery_T@bls.gov> wrote in message

>> news:47u5341jo4viirjaq75bmub44kd1sjbb16@4ax.com...

>>

>>> "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote:

>>>

>>>> The converter boxes will allow analog sets to continue to work with

>>>> over-the-air tv. No satellite or cable is required.

>>>

>>> Yes but....there's an article in the Washington Post this morning

>>> about how the digital over-the-air signals are not as robust as analog

>>> signals. Somebody who gets acceptable over-the-air analog reception

>>> might not do so well with digital signals.

>>>

>>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/19/AR2008051902730.html?hpid=moreheadlines

>>>

>>>

>>> --

>>> Tim Slattery

>>> MS MVP(Shell/User)

>>> Slattery_T@bls.gov

>>> http://members.cox.net/slatteryt

>>

>> Perhaps that is correct for some sets in some localities. However, my

>> TV receives both analog and digital signals. The only difference I

>> see is that

>> the digital signals are sharper and have better colors.

>>

>> Jim

>>

>

> Those living in the boonies will suffer the most probably. Since analog

> gives varying degrees of quality, from lousy to good, digital will

> either work or it won't. You won't "kind" of get a signal. If it's not

> strong enough, you're out of luck.

>

 

Yep, digital, ON/OFF, don't ya just love this new technology. <VBG>

[Guest Bill in Co.]

Re: Would you want THESE GUYS touching your PC?

 

To make more money on that inventory they will eventually need to dump?

 

jim wrote:

> Of course you are right, but why wouldn't Best Buy tell their customers

> this?

>

> "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message

> news:7BF56597-8493-4E6E-B9D9-EA06038C1D16@microsoft.com...

>> The converter boxes will allow analog sets to continue to work with

>> over-the-air tv. No satellite or cable is required.

>>

>> "Mark H" <jmhonzell@nospam.comcast.net> wrote in message

>> news:O9e3xzmuIHA.6096@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>> Your TV will not work if you do not receive Satellite or Cable and it is

>>> not

>>> digital ready.

>>>

>>> If you currently receive Satellite or Cable, it will work just fine and

>>> the

>>> TVs are a lot cheaper.

>>>

>>>

>>> "jim" <jim@home.net> wrote in message

>>> news:4OxYj.25248$C8.21645@bignews2.bellsouth.net...

>>>> As you probably know, Geek Squad is owned by Best Buy and operates

>>>> right

>>>> out of their stores. So, it is reasonable to assume that Best Buy sets

>>>> the tone for how Geek Squad operates (except for the influence that

>>>> Microsoft's $200,000,000 cash infusion gives them, of course).

>>>>

>>>> Seeing as how the tone for the overall Best Buy/Geek Squad operations

>>>> are

>>>> set by Best Buy, it would behoove people to take note as to how Best

>>>> Buy

>>>> treats its customers before using the services of Geek Squad.

>>>>

>>>> As reported on CNET

>>>> (http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9947410-7.html?tag=nefd.top), Best

>>>> Buy

>>>> has been selling customers old ANALOG (that means the TVs are not ready

>>>> for the February 17, 2009 switch of ALL television to digital signals)

>>>> televisions

>>>> without the stickers MANDATED by the FCC that warn buyers that the sets

>>>> will not work after February 17, 2009 without buying an additional

>>>> digital

>>>> converter.

>>>>

>>>> That's nice. Screwing the public to dump old analog TVs that will work

>>>> for

>>>> less than a year without the new digital signal converters.

>>>>

>>>> Makes me wonder what old, out-of-date crap Geek Squad is installing on

>>>> people's PCs.

>>>>

>>>> jim

[Guest Bill in Co.]

Re: Would you want THESE GUYS touching your PC?

 

Ahh, but see that would be too technical, for most of the Hollywood consumer

set here. :-)

 

I like that term digital terrestrial receivers MUCH better - at least it

explains a bit better what it is (i.e., with the tuner for the new digital

channels).

 

Synapse Syndrome wrote:

> "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message

> news:7BF56597-8493-4E6E-B9D9-EA06038C1D16@microsoft.com...

>> The converter boxes will allow analog sets to continue to work with

>> over-the-air tv. No satellite or cable is required.

>

> I don't know about what you call these in America, but we do not call them

> converter boxes. They are digital terrestrial receivers, as these

> analogue

> TVs just lack digital tuners.

>

> ss.

[Guest Bill in Co.]

Re: Would you want THESE GUYS touching your PC?

 

True enough.

I wonder what % will be that way (receiving only local, over the air,

broadcasts, having no cable or satellite). I'll hazard a guess: maybe

20% of the population? (I figure the overwhelming majority are on cable or

satellite now, but I could be wrong)

 

Colin Barnhorst wrote:

> The converter boxes will allow analog sets to continue to work with

> over-the-air tv. No satellite or cable is required.

>

> "Mark H" <jmhonzell@nospam.comcast.net> wrote in message

> news:O9e3xzmuIHA.6096@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>> Your TV will not work if you do not receive Satellite or Cable and it is

>> not

>> digital ready.

>>

>> If you currently receive Satellite or Cable, it will work just fine and

>> the

>> TVs are a lot cheaper.

>>

>>

>> "jim" <jim@home.net> wrote in message

>> news:4OxYj.25248$C8.21645@bignews2.bellsouth.net...

>>> As you probably know, Geek Squad is owned by Best Buy and operates right

>>> out

>>> of their stores. So, it is reasonable to assume that Best Buy sets the

>>> tone

>>> for how Geek Squad operates (except for the influence that Microsoft's

>>> $200,000,000 cash infusion gives them, of course).

>>>

>>> Seeing as how the tone for the overall Best Buy/Geek Squad operations

>>> are

>>> set by Best Buy, it would behoove people to take note as to how Best Buy

>>> treats its customers before using the services of Geek Squad.

>>>

>>> As reported on CNET

>>> (http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9947410-7.html?tag=nefd.top), Best Buy

>>> has

>>> been selling customers old ANALOG (that means the TVs are not ready for

>>> the

>>> February 17, 2009 switch of ALL television to digital signals)

>>> televisions

>>> without the stickers MANDATED by the FCC that warn buyers that the sets

>>> will

>>> not work after February 17, 2009 without buying an additional digital

>>> converter.

>>>

>>> That's nice. Screwing the public to dump old analog TVs that will work

>>> for

>>> less than a year without the new digital signal converters.

>>>

>>> Makes me wonder what old, out-of-date crap Geek Squad is installing on

>>> people's PCs.

>>>

>>> jim