How can I display my PC on my TV?

[Guest Stan Hilliard]

I want to display my PC on my TV to show video from the Internet.

 

I set the TV as a second monitor. When I boot the PC, the TV will

display the bios screen and the windows startup icon but will not

display the welcome screen or the desktop or programs.

 

In PC's display settings, the "identify" button puts a "1" on the

monitor and "2" on the TV -- as it should.

 

Equipment:

Video Card: GeForce 5500, ports are analog VGA and digital DVI.

The DVI port is cabled to monitor -- Viewsonic 912b LCD, 1280x1024.

The VGA port is cabled to a wireless sender ---> wireless receiver.

The wireless receiver has a composite cable to the TV's video2 port.

The TV is a Sony kdl-40V4100.

 

The monitor is set to 1280x1024, 32 bit color. The TV is set to

640x480 pixels, 32 bit color.

 

Question: Why can I transmit the "Identify" number to the TV but

cannot transmit the PC's desktop or programs?

 

An explanation will be appreciated,

Stan Hilliard

[Guest M.I.5¾]

Re: How can I display my PC on my TV?

 

 

"Stan Hilliard" <usenetreplyMS@samplingplansNOTSPAM.com> wrote in message

news:ku47341uiv9qq6imegj75dtr0kqpetjh69@4ax.com...

>I want to display my PC on my TV to show video from the Internet.

>

> I set the TV as a second monitor. When I boot the PC, the TV will

> display the bios screen and the windows startup icon but will not

> display the welcome screen or the desktop or programs.

>

> In PC's display settings, the "identify" button puts a "1" on the

> monitor and "2" on the TV -- as it should.

>

> Equipment:

> Video Card: GeForce 5500, ports are analog VGA and digital DVI.

> The DVI port is cabled to monitor -- Viewsonic 912b LCD, 1280x1024.

> The VGA port is cabled to a wireless sender ---> wireless receiver.

> The wireless receiver has a composite cable to the TV's video2 port.

> The TV is a Sony kdl-40V4100.

>

> The monitor is set to 1280x1024, 32 bit color. The TV is set to

> 640x480 pixels, 32 bit color.

>

> Question: Why can I transmit the "Identify" number to the TV but

> cannot transmit the PC's desktop or programs?

>

> An explanation will be appreciated,

>

 

Your set up has configured itself for dual monitor operation where the 2

displays are showing different parts of the same desktop. There are two

solutions to your problem depending on what you actually wish to achieve.

 

1. If the video window (presumably Media Player) is not maximised, you can

drag it onto the second monitor (in your case the TV). Monitor 2 is by

default to the right of monitor 1, but this can be changed in the video

settings dialogue (right click anywhere on the desktop, select properties

and then the settings tab). Just drag mionitor 2 to wherever you want it).

The window can then be maximised on the TV if you wish.

 

2. If you want the TV to display the same as the monitor, enter the settings

dialogue as above and uncheck "Extend my Windows desktop onto this monitor".

Now click 'advanced'. One of the tabs (usually labelled 'displays') will

allow you to 'switch on' the TV* and it should display the same as the

monitor. Note that depending on the graphic card, the TV may only show a

section of the desktop.

 

*Some graphic cards don't offer this via the settings dialogue and require

you instead to run a graphics configuration utility. You will need to check

the book of instructions.

[Guest pjp]

Re: How can I display my PC on my TV?

 

You seem to have what's called a dual-head video card. Likely you can attach

a monitor to one connector and either a tv or second monitor to a 2nd

connector (using suitable convertor cable). Note, it may be you actually

have three connectors, two are for monitors and a composite (and/or svga)

connector for the tv.

 

I'll use my own nVidia card as an example. It has two monitor connections

and a composite (rca stereo style plug) to connect to tv/vcr. In this

configuration I can use any two of the three devices, e.g. 2 monitors or one

monitor and tv as my desktop.

 

All the versatility is found with the specific device dependant dialogs

added by your video card device driver. They're usually accessed via Display

Properties/Settings the Advanced button and look for the extra added tabs.

 

First thing is to get two devices working. Because you see the '1' & '2' on

each monitor implies you have that going. Look under Display Propertis for

the checkbox "Extend ..." and notice the 2nd monitor is to the right of the

primary in the graphic. Note you can move the displays in the graphic to

reflect the physical location of the devices, e.g. 2nd display can be right,

top, left or bottom of primary. Try and drag the current dialog box to the

right (assuming default location) and it should move off the primary display

and appear on the secondary one. You have the extended desktop working if

so. Note - things like 'maxmize across entire display' is a driver function

and not per se provided by Windows itself. In my case, under the

forementioned Advanced dialog(s) there's an option to add an extra icon to

windows to provide this feature. Your specific card may vary, you'll have to

play with the various Advanced options or ask in a newsgroup dedicated to

your brand card, e.g. ATI or nVidia most likely.

 

Now, also, somewhere within that same Advanced tab will be options for what

to do when video starts playing. There's a couple of choices but the one I'd

suggest most usefull is 'Display video full screen on secondary display' (or

however it's worded). That allows the video to be a very small (maybe even

minimized) window on primary display but shows full screen on whatever is

being used as 2nd display, tv or pc monitor.

 

Setup like this, here's what I do. I first change my secondary monitor from

another pc monitor (normal configuration) to the tv. This is done by using

little tray icon gives ready access to many options. TV comes alive, 2nd pc

monitor goes dead. Desktop background appears on tv and I can drag windows

etc. back and forth as expected. Note - usually the tv output is limited in

resolution, todays crop of cards it tends to be 1024x768. I suggest leave it

at that rather than make it less unless reading text on your tv is a must

(you'll see what I mean), e.g. 640x480. The hardware will downsample the

image anyway to fit on the tv. When I start a video the tv flickers for a

moment then presto movie full screen on tv. Have sound routed to stereo and

viola.

[Guest Stan Hilliard]

Re: How can I display my PC on my TV?

 

On Wed, 21 May 2008 18:20:44 -0300, "pjp"

<pjpoirier_is_located_at_@_hotmail_._com> wrote:

>You seem to have what's called a dual-head video card. Likely you can attach

>a monitor to one connector and either a tv or second monitor to a 2nd

>connector (using suitable convertor cable). Note, it may be you actually

>have three connectors, two are for monitors and a composite (and/or svga)

>connector for the tv.

>

>I'll use my own nVidia card as an example. It has two monitor connections

>and a composite (rca stereo style plug) to connect to tv/vcr. In this

>configuration I can use any two of the three devices, e.g. 2 monitors or one

>monitor and tv as my desktop.

>

>All the versatility is found with the specific device dependant dialogs

>added by your video card device driver. They're usually accessed via Display

>Properties/Settings the Advanced button and look for the extra added tabs.

>

>First thing is to get two devices working. Because you see the '1' & '2' on

>each monitor implies you have that going. Look under Display Propertis for

>the checkbox "Extend ..." and notice the 2nd monitor is to the right of the

>primary in the graphic. Note you can move the displays in the graphic to

>reflect the physical location of the devices, e.g. 2nd display can be right,

>top, left or bottom of primary. Try and drag the current dialog box to the

>right (assuming default location) and it should move off the primary display

>and appear on the secondary one. You have the extended desktop working if

>so. Note - things like 'maxmize across entire display' is a driver function

>and not per se provided by Windows itself. In my case, under the

>forementioned Advanced dialog(s) there's an option to add an extra icon to

>windows to provide this feature. Your specific card may vary, you'll have to

>play with the various Advanced options or ask in a newsgroup dedicated to

>your brand card, e.g. ATI or nVidia most likely.

>

>Now, also, somewhere within that same Advanced tab will be options for what

>to do when video starts playing. There's a couple of choices but the one I'd

>suggest most usefull is 'Display video full screen on secondary display' (or

>however it's worded). That allows the video to be a very small (maybe even

>minimized) window on primary display but shows full screen on whatever is

>being used as 2nd display, tv or pc monitor.

>

>Setup like this, here's what I do. I first change my secondary monitor from

>another pc monitor (normal configuration) to the tv. This is done by using

>little tray icon gives ready access to many options. TV comes alive, 2nd pc

>monitor goes dead. Desktop background appears on tv and I can drag windows

>etc. back and forth as expected. Note - usually the tv output is limited in

>resolution, todays crop of cards it tends to be 1024x768. I suggest leave it

>at that rather than make it less unless reading text on your tv is a must

>(you'll see what I mean), e.g. 640x480. The hardware will downsample the

>image anyway to fit on the tv. When I start a video the tv flickers for a

>moment then presto movie full screen on tv. Have sound routed to stereo and

>viola.

 

Thanks pip,

 

I am still having trouble making it work. The changes I made have

actually set be back, so I get no wireless transmitted image at all

now. So I will start over and describe my current situation from the

beginning.

 

I want to display whatever is on my PC desktop on my TV.

 

Windows XP Pro, GeForce 5500 I am a novice.

 

The LCD Monitor has analog and digital inputs. I want to wire up both

and use the buttons on the monitor to select which is used. I mostly

use the digital post but some purposes require using analog.

 

The only input to the X10 wireless sender is VGA. I use a splitter on

the 5500's VGA port to both the wireless sender and the monitor.

 

Q1: In [Control Panel] [display settings] do I need to set the TV as a

second monitor, or can I just reflect the same analog signal to the

monitor and TV? I currently have a second monitor in [display

settings] but it is "not active" and I don't know how to activate it?

 

Q2: I am confused about drivers. Having both monitor and TV on the

same port with a splitter cable must make a difference. I don't know

if TVs need a special driver. Any advice here?

 

Q3: What settings should I use for the NVIDIA 5500 desktop manager.

Note: I have tried to run it, but I suspect its settings for TV don't

apply - how could it Know which port I have the TV on?

 

Currently [Control Panel] [display settings] show a not active second

monitor with generic driver. [Device manager] shows:

Display Adaptor: NVIDIA v8.4.2.1

Monitor: 3 "default monitors" and 1 ViewSonic VA912b.

 

Equipment:

Video Card: GeForce 5500, ports are analog VGA and digital DVI.

The DVI port is cabled to monitor -- ViewSonic VA912b LCD, 1280x1024.

The VGA port is cabled to a wireless sender ---> wireless receiver.

The wireless receiver has a composite cable to the TV's video2 port.

The TV is a Sony KDL-40V4100.

 

Question: Can someone please point me in the right direction to get

started?

 

An explanation will be appreciated,

Stan Hilliard

[Guest Patrick Keenan]

Re: How can I display my PC on my TV?

 

"Stan Hilliard" <usenetreplyMS@samplingplansNOTSPAM.com> wrote in message

news:ei3064hqt38qg4ilqapvthni46dcjnp47p@4ax.com...

> On Wed, 21 May 2008 18:20:44 -0300, "pjp"

> <pjpoirier_is_located_at_@_hotmail_._com> wrote:

>

>>You seem to have what's called a dual-head video card. Likely you can

>>attach

>>a monitor to one connector and either a tv or second monitor to a 2nd

>>connector (using suitable convertor cable). Note, it may be you actually

>>have three connectors, two are for monitors and a composite (and/or svga)

>>connector for the tv.

>>

>>I'll use my own nVidia card as an example. It has two monitor connections

>>and a composite (rca stereo style plug) to connect to tv/vcr. In this

>>configuration I can use any two of the three devices, e.g. 2 monitors or

>>one

>>monitor and tv as my desktop.

>>

>>All the versatility is found with the specific device dependant dialogs

>>added by your video card device driver. They're usually accessed via

>>Display

>>Properties/Settings the Advanced button and look for the extra added tabs.

>>

>>First thing is to get two devices working. Because you see the '1' & '2'

>>on

>>each monitor implies you have that going. Look under Display Propertis for

>>the checkbox "Extend ..." and notice the 2nd monitor is to the right of

>>the

>>primary in the graphic. Note you can move the displays in the graphic to

>>reflect the physical location of the devices, e.g. 2nd display can be

>>right,

>>top, left or bottom of primary. Try and drag the current dialog box to the

>>right (assuming default location) and it should move off the primary

>>display

>>and appear on the secondary one. You have the extended desktop working if

>>so. Note - things like 'maxmize across entire display' is a driver

>>function

>>and not per se provided by Windows itself. In my case, under the

>>forementioned Advanced dialog(s) there's an option to add an extra icon to

>>windows to provide this feature. Your specific card may vary, you'll have

>>to

>>play with the various Advanced options or ask in a newsgroup dedicated to

>>your brand card, e.g. ATI or nVidia most likely.

>>

>>Now, also, somewhere within that same Advanced tab will be options for

>>what

>>to do when video starts playing. There's a couple of choices but the one

>>I'd

>>suggest most usefull is 'Display video full screen on secondary display'

>>(or

>>however it's worded). That allows the video to be a very small (maybe even

>>minimized) window on primary display but shows full screen on whatever is

>>being used as 2nd display, tv or pc monitor.

>>

>>Setup like this, here's what I do. I first change my secondary monitor

>>from

>>another pc monitor (normal configuration) to the tv. This is done by using

>>little tray icon gives ready access to many options. TV comes alive, 2nd

>>pc

>>monitor goes dead. Desktop background appears on tv and I can drag windows

>>etc. back and forth as expected. Note - usually the tv output is limited

>>in

>>resolution, todays crop of cards it tends to be 1024x768. I suggest leave

>>it

>>at that rather than make it less unless reading text on your tv is a must

>>(you'll see what I mean), e.g. 640x480. The hardware will downsample the

>>image anyway to fit on the tv. When I start a video the tv flickers for a

>>moment then presto movie full screen on tv. Have sound routed to stereo

>>and

>>viola.

>

> Thanks pip,

>

> I am still having trouble making it work. The changes I made have

> actually set be back, so I get no wireless transmitted image at all

> now. So I will start over and describe my current situation from the

> beginning.

>

> I want to display whatever is on my PC desktop on my TV.

>

> Windows XP Pro, GeForce 5500 I am a novice.

>

> The LCD Monitor has analog and digital inputs. I want to wire up both

> and use the buttons on the monitor to select which is used. I mostly

> use the digital post but some purposes require using analog.

>

> The only input to the X10 wireless sender is VGA. I use a splitter on

> the 5500's VGA port to both the wireless sender and the monitor.

 

This is probably a bad idea, because it forces you to use the same

resolution, depth and refresh settings for both screens on the splitter.

You can easily send an out-of-range signal to one of the monitors. And at

best, that will just send the screen to black.

 

Better to connect the TV display on the TV and get the correct resolution.

Be warned, though - the results are often poor, particularly if the TV is

larger.

 

> Q1: In [Control Panel] [display settings] do I need to set the TV as a

> second monitor, or can I just reflect the same analog signal to the

> monitor and TV? I currently have a second monitor in [display

> settings] but it is "not active" and I don't know how to activate it?

 

Connect the two displays to the adapter, then activate both of them; the

card should sense this Be sure that the PC screen is set to 1, and

primary.

 

Sometimes you have to power cycle the TV to let it know that there is a new

signal source.

> Q2: I am confused about drivers. Having both monitor and TV on the

> same port with a splitter cable must make a difference. I don't know

> if TVs need a special driver. Any advice here?

 

No, they do not need special drivers. The issue is not the drivers, it's

the resolution setting and the capabilites of the display electronics.

 

As noted above, if you use a splitter, you can easily be out of range on the

TV, or a hopelessly coarse image on the PC display.

 

>

> Q3: What settings should I use for the NVIDIA 5500 desktop manager.

> Note: I have tried to run it, but I suspect its settings for TV don't

> apply - how could it Know which port I have the TV on?

 

The 2nd port. use the Identify function to see which port is which.

 

> Currently [Control Panel] [display settings] show a not active second

> monitor with generic driver. [Device manager] shows:

> Display Adaptor: NVIDIA v8.4.2.1

> Monitor: 3 "default monitors" and 1 ViewSonic VA912b.

 

Some video adapters will detect a TV and display at TV option. A splitter

may prevent this detection.

>

> Equipment:

> Video Card: GeForce 5500, ports are analog VGA and digital DVI.

> The DVI port is cabled to monitor -- ViewSonic VA912b LCD, 1280x1024.

> The VGA port is cabled to a wireless sender ---> wireless receiver.

> The wireless receiver has a composite cable to the TV's video2 port.

> The TV is a Sony KDL-40V4100.

>

> Question: Can someone please point me in the right direction to get

> started?

 

I would get this working with wires before even thinking of introducing the

wireless sender OR the splitter. There's no way for you to know if the

problem is in the setup, the splitter, or the wireless. As long as you

use known-good cables, it shgould be much easier to get going. Once you

have the settings worked out, then you can introduce splitter and the

wireless, and troubleshoot the problems that introduces, one component at a

time.

 

But again, using a TV as a dislpay is not always an optimal solution.

 

HTH

-pk

>

> An explanation will be appreciated,

> Stan Hilliard

[Guest Stan Hilliard]

Re: How can I display my PC on my TV?

 

Thanks Patrick. Some improvements, but not completely fixed. See my

inserted remarks.

Stan

 

On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 17:33:05 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" <test@dev.null>

wrote:

>"Stan Hilliard" <usenetreplyMS@samplingplansNOTSPAM.com> wrote in message

>news:ei3064hqt38qg4ilqapvthni46dcjnp47p@4ax.com...

>> On Wed, 21 May 2008 18:20:44 -0300, "pjp"

>> <pjpoirier_is_located_at_@_hotmail_._com> wrote:

>>

>>>You seem to have what's called a dual-head video card. Likely you can

>>>attach

>>>a monitor to one connector and either a tv or second monitor to a 2nd

>>>connector (using suitable convertor cable). Note, it may be you actually

>>>have three connectors, two are for monitors and a composite (and/or svga)

>>>connector for the tv.

>>>

>>>I'll use my own nVidia card as an example. It has two monitor connections

>>>and a composite (rca stereo style plug) to connect to tv/vcr. In this

>>>configuration I can use any two of the three devices, e.g. 2 monitors or

>>>one

>>>monitor and tv as my desktop.

>>>

>>>All the versatility is found with the specific device dependant dialogs

>>>added by your video card device driver. They're usually accessed via

>>>Display

>>>Properties/Settings the Advanced button and look for the extra added tabs.

>>>

>>>First thing is to get two devices working. Because you see the '1' & '2'

>>>on

>>>each monitor implies you have that going. Look under Display Propertis for

>>>the checkbox "Extend ..." and notice the 2nd monitor is to the right of

>>>the

>>>primary in the graphic. Note you can move the displays in the graphic to

>>>reflect the physical location of the devices, e.g. 2nd display can be

>>>right,

>>>top, left or bottom of primary. Try and drag the current dialog box to the

>>>right (assuming default location) and it should move off the primary

>>>display

>>>and appear on the secondary one. You have the extended desktop working if

>>>so. Note - things like 'maxmize across entire display' is a driver

>>>function

>>>and not per se provided by Windows itself. In my case, under the

>>>forementioned Advanced dialog(s) there's an option to add an extra icon to

>>>windows to provide this feature. Your specific card may vary, you'll have

>>>to

>>>play with the various Advanced options or ask in a newsgroup dedicated to

>>>your brand card, e.g. ATI or nVidia most likely.

>>>

>>>Now, also, somewhere within that same Advanced tab will be options for

>>>what

>>>to do when video starts playing. There's a couple of choices but the one

>>>I'd

>>>suggest most usefull is 'Display video full screen on secondary display'

>>>(or

>>>however it's worded). That allows the video to be a very small (maybe even

>>>minimized) window on primary display but shows full screen on whatever is

>>>being used as 2nd display, tv or pc monitor.

>>>

>>>Setup like this, here's what I do. I first change my secondary monitor

>>>from

>>>another pc monitor (normal configuration) to the tv. This is done by using

>>>little tray icon gives ready access to many options. TV comes alive, 2nd

>>>pc

>>>monitor goes dead. Desktop background appears on tv and I can drag windows

>>>etc. back and forth as expected. Note - usually the tv output is limited

>>>in

>>>resolution, todays crop of cards it tends to be 1024x768. I suggest leave

>>>it

>>>at that rather than make it less unless reading text on your tv is a must

>>>(you'll see what I mean), e.g. 640x480. The hardware will downsample the

>>>image anyway to fit on the tv. When I start a video the tv flickers for a

>>>moment then presto movie full screen on tv. Have sound routed to stereo

>>>and

>>>viola.

>> Thanks pjp,

>> I am still having trouble making it work. The changes I made have

>> actually set be back, so I get no wireless transmitted image at all

>> now. So I will start over and describe my current situation from the

>> beginning.

>>

>> I want to display whatever is on my PC desktop on my TV.

>>

>> Windows XP Pro, GeForce 5500 I am a novice.

>>

>> The LCD Monitor has analog and digital inputs. I want to wire up both

>> and use the buttons on the monitor to select which is used. I mostly

>> use the digital post but some purposes require using analog.

>>

>> The only input to the X10 wireless sender is VGA. I use a splitter on

>> the 5500's VGA port to both the wireless sender and the monitor.

>This is probably a bad idea, because it forces you to use the same

>resolution, depth and refresh settings for both screens on the splitter.

>You can easily send an out-of-range signal to one of the monitors. And at

>best, that will just send the screen to black.

 

I stopped using the splitter on the analog/VGA output by disconnecting

the part that went to the Monitor. Then I used the NVIDIA Desktop

Manager v110.26 & selected "typical setup". As desired, it set the DVI

port to monitor to #1 and the VGA port to monitor #2. Both are 1280 X

1024.

 

The monitor is good. Except the mouse pointer does not stop at the

right edge of the screen. I think it is in span view instead of clone

view. Can anything be done about that?

 

This solves another problem. When I had analog splitter hooked up to

the monitor there were some (but not all) video players that showed

black video in digital & played OK in analog. Now that the monitor is

connected to digital only it works fine.

 

The TV receives audio by wireless but still not video.

>Better to connect the TV display on the TV and get the correct resolution.

>Be warned, though - the results are often poor, particularly if the TV is

>larger.

 

The NVIDIA nView Desktop Manager TV wizard HDTV screen asked me if the

display on the DVI port supports HDTV (Y/N?). By this I assume that

the wizard is trying to configure the TV to the DVI port -- which it

is not. So I did cancelled out of the wizard. Maybe I should be

setting the PC monitor as if it were a TV because it is on the DVI

port , and maybe I should be setting the TV as if it were a monitor

because it has to be on the VGA port. (The X10 wireless sender only

inputs VGA.)

>> Q1: In [Control Panel] [display settings] do I need to set the TV as a

>> second monitor, or can I just reflect the same analog signal to the

>> monitor and TV? I currently have a second monitor in [display

>> settings] but it is "not active" and I don't know how to activate it?

>

>Connect the two displays to the adapter, then activate both of them; the

>card should sense this Be sure that the PC screen is set to 1, and

>primary.

 

According to [Control Panel] [display settings] this is working now.

>Sometimes you have to power cycle the TV to let it know that there is a new

>signal source.

 

I have restarted both TV and PC. Still no video to the TV.

>> Q2: I am confused about drivers. Having both monitor and TV on the

>> same port with a splitter cable must make a difference. I don't know

>> if TVs need a special driver. Any advice here?

>No, they do not need special drivers. The issue is not the drivers, it's

>the resolution setting and the capabilites of the display electronics.

>

>As noted above, if you use a splitter, you can easily be out of range on the

>TV, or a hopelessly coarse image on the PC display.

 

I stopped using the splitter.

>> Q3: What settings should I use for the NVIDIA 5500 desktop manager.

>> Note: I have tried to run it, but I suspect its settings for TV don't

>> apply - how could it Know which port I have the TV on?

>

>The 2nd port. use the Identify function to see which port is which.

 

The PC Monitor is #1 on the DVI port.

>> Currently [Control Panel] [display settings] show a not active second

>> monitor with generic driver. [Device manager] shows:

>> Display Adapter: NVIDIA v8.4.2.1

>> Monitor: 3 "default monitors" and 1 ViewSonic VA912b.

>

>Some video adapters will detect a TV and display at TV option. A splitter

>may prevent this detection.

>> Equipment:

>> Video Card: GeForce 5500, ports are analog VGA and digital DVI.

>> The DVI port is cabled to monitor -- ViewSonic VA912b LCD, 1280x1024.

>> The VGA port is cabled to a wireless sender ---> wireless receiver.

>> The wireless receiver has a composite cable to the TV's video2 port.

>> The TV is a Sony KDL-40V4100.

>>

>> Question: Can someone please point me in the right direction to get

>> started?

>I would get this working with wires before even thinking of introducing the

>wireless sender OR the splitter. There's no way for you to know if the

>problem is in the setup, the splitter, or the wireless. As long as you

>use known-good cables, it should be much easier to get going. Once you

>have the settings worked out, then you can introduce splitter and the

>wireless, and troubleshoot the problems that introduces, one component at a

>time.

 

As you suggest, I will send for a 25' VGA cable to try a direct

connection to the TV. Somewhere I saw different qualities of VGA

cable. I wonder if it makes a difference?

>But again, using a TV as a display is not always an optimal solution.

>HTH

-pk

[Guest Patrick Keenan]

Re: How can I display my PC on my TV?

 

"Stan Hilliard" <usenetreplyMS@samplingplansNOTSPAM.com> wrote in message

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> Thanks Patrick. Some improvements, but not completely fixed. See my

> inserted remarks.

> Stan

>

> On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 17:33:05 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" <test@dev.null>

> wrote:

>>"Stan Hilliard" <usenetreplyMS@samplingplansNOTSPAM.com> wrote in message

>>news:ei3064hqt38qg4ilqapvthni46dcjnp47p@4ax.com...

>>> On Wed, 21 May 2008 18:20:44 -0300, "pjp"

>>> <pjpoirier_is_located_at_@_hotmail_._com> wrote:

>>>

>>>>You seem to have what's called a dual-head video card. Likely you can

>>>>attach

>>>>a monitor to one connector and either a tv or second monitor to a 2nd

>>>>connector (using suitable convertor cable). Note, it may be you actually

>>>>have three connectors, two are for monitors and a composite (and/or

>>>>svga)

>>>>connector for the tv.

>>>>

>>>>I'll use my own nVidia card as an example. It has two monitor

>>>>connections

>>>>and a composite (rca stereo style plug) to connect to tv/vcr. In this

>>>>configuration I can use any two of the three devices, e.g. 2 monitors or

>>>>one

>>>>monitor and tv as my desktop.

>>>>

>>>>All the versatility is found with the specific device dependant dialogs

>>>>added by your video card device driver. They're usually accessed via

>>>>Display

>>>>Properties/Settings the Advanced button and look for the extra added

>>>>tabs.

>>>>

>>>>First thing is to get two devices working. Because you see the '1' & '2'

>>>>on

>>>>each monitor implies you have that going. Look under Display Propertis

>>>>for

>>>>the checkbox "Extend ..." and notice the 2nd monitor is to the right of

>>>>the

>>>>primary in the graphic. Note you can move the displays in the graphic to

>>>>reflect the physical location of the devices, e.g. 2nd display can be

>>>>right,

>>>>top, left or bottom of primary. Try and drag the current dialog box to

>>>>the

>>>>right (assuming default location) and it should move off the primary

>>>>display

>>>>and appear on the secondary one. You have the extended desktop working

>>>>if

>>>>so. Note - things like 'maxmize across entire display' is a driver

>>>>function

>>>>and not per se provided by Windows itself. In my case, under the

>>>>forementioned Advanced dialog(s) there's an option to add an extra icon

>>>>to

>>>>windows to provide this feature. Your specific card may vary, you'll

>>>>have

>>>>to

>>>>play with the various Advanced options or ask in a newsgroup dedicated

>>>>to

>>>>your brand card, e.g. ATI or nVidia most likely.

>>>>

>>>>Now, also, somewhere within that same Advanced tab will be options for

>>>>what

>>>>to do when video starts playing. There's a couple of choices but the one

>>>>I'd

>>>>suggest most usefull is 'Display video full screen on secondary display'

>>>>(or

>>>>however it's worded). That allows the video to be a very small (maybe

>>>>even

>>>>minimized) window on primary display but shows full screen on whatever

>>>>is

>>>>being used as 2nd display, tv or pc monitor.

>>>>

>>>>Setup like this, here's what I do. I first change my secondary monitor

>>>>from

>>>>another pc monitor (normal configuration) to the tv. This is done by

>>>>using

>>>>little tray icon gives ready access to many options. TV comes alive, 2nd

>>>>pc

>>>>monitor goes dead. Desktop background appears on tv and I can drag

>>>>windows

>>>>etc. back and forth as expected. Note - usually the tv output is limited

>>>>in

>>>>resolution, todays crop of cards it tends to be 1024x768. I suggest

>>>>leave

>>>>it

>>>>at that rather than make it less unless reading text on your tv is a

>>>>must

>>>>(you'll see what I mean), e.g. 640x480. The hardware will downsample the

>>>>image anyway to fit on the tv. When I start a video the tv flickers for

>>>>a

>>>>moment then presto movie full screen on tv. Have sound routed to stereo

>>>>and

>>>>viola.

>

>>> Thanks pjp,

>>> I am still having trouble making it work. The changes I made have

>>> actually set be back, so I get no wireless transmitted image at all

>>> now. So I will start over and describe my current situation from the

>>> beginning.

>>>

>>> I want to display whatever is on my PC desktop on my TV.

>>>

>>> Windows XP Pro, GeForce 5500 I am a novice.

>>>

>>> The LCD Monitor has analog and digital inputs. I want to wire up both

>>> and use the buttons on the monitor to select which is used. I mostly

>>> use the digital post but some purposes require using analog.

>>>

>>> The only input to the X10 wireless sender is VGA. I use a splitter on

>>> the 5500's VGA port to both the wireless sender and the monitor.

>

>>This is probably a bad idea, because it forces you to use the same

>>resolution, depth and refresh settings for both screens on the splitter.

>>You can easily send an out-of-range signal to one of the monitors. And

>>at

>>best, that will just send the screen to black.

>

> I stopped using the splitter on the analog/VGA output by disconnecting

> the part that went to the Monitor. Then I used the NVIDIA Desktop

> Manager v110.26 & selected "typical setup". As desired, it set the DVI

> port to monitor to #1 and the VGA port to monitor #2. Both are 1280 X

> 1024.

>

> The monitor is good. Except the mouse pointer does not stop at the

> right edge of the screen. I think it is in span view instead of clone

> view. Can anything be done about that?

 

If the desktop is extended rather than mirrored (or cloned), the display

area is defined by the outer edges of both monitors. So no, you can't do

anything about that.

 

The only other way to that would be a desktop manager that allowed you to

load different desktops to different screens, then switch between them with

hotkeys. That isn't an XP feature.

 

>

> This solves another problem. When I had analog splitter hooked up to

> the monitor there were some (but not all) video players that showed

> black video in digital & played OK in analog. Now that the monitor is

> connected to digital only it works fine.

>

> The TV receives audio by wireless but still not video.

>

>>Better to connect the TV display on the TV and get the correct resolution.

>>Be warned, though - the results are often poor, particularly if the TV is

>>larger.

>

> The NVIDIA nView Desktop Manager TV wizard HDTV screen asked me if the

> display on the DVI port supports HDTV (Y/N?). By this I assume that

> the wizard is trying to configure the TV to the DVI port -- which it

> is not. So I did cancelled out of the wizard. Maybe I should be

> setting the PC monitor as if it were a TV because it is on the DVI

> port , and maybe I should be setting the TV as if it were a monitor

> because it has to be on the VGA port. (The X10 wireless sender only

> inputs VGA.)

 

What does nVidia support say? How about Sony?

>

>>> Q1: In [Control Panel] [display settings] do I need to set the TV as a

>>> second monitor, or can I just reflect the same analog signal to the

>>> monitor and TV? I currently have a second monitor in [display

>>> settings] but it is "not active" and I don't know how to activate it?

>>

>>Connect the two displays to the adapter, then activate both of them; the

>>card should sense this Be sure that the PC screen is set to 1, and

>>primary.

>

> According to [Control Panel] [display settings] this is working now.

>

>>Sometimes you have to power cycle the TV to let it know that there is a

>>new

>>signal source.

>

> I have restarted both TV and PC. Still no video to the TV.

 

Check that it isn't out of range.

>

>>> Q2: I am confused about drivers. Having both monitor and TV on the

>>> same port with a splitter cable must make a difference. I don't know

>>> if TVs need a special driver. Any advice here?

>

>>No, they do not need special drivers. The issue is not the drivers, it's

>>the resolution setting and the capabilites of the display electronics.

>>

>>As noted above, if you use a splitter, you can easily be out of range on

>>the

>>TV, or a hopelessly coarse image on the PC display.

>

> I stopped using the splitter.

>

>>> Q3: What settings should I use for the NVIDIA 5500 desktop manager.

>>> Note: I have tried to run it, but I suspect its settings for TV don't

>>> apply - how could it Know which port I have the TV on?

>>

>>The 2nd port. use the Identify function to see which port is which.

>

> The PC Monitor is #1 on the DVI port.

>

>>> Currently [Control Panel] [display settings] show a not active second

>>> monitor with generic driver. [Device manager] shows:

>>> Display Adapter: NVIDIA v8.4.2.1

>>> Monitor: 3 "default monitors" and 1 ViewSonic VA912b.

>>

>>Some video adapters will detect a TV and display at TV option. A

>>splitter

>>may prevent this detection.

>

>>> Equipment:

>>> Video Card: GeForce 5500, ports are analog VGA and digital DVI.

>>> The DVI port is cabled to monitor -- ViewSonic VA912b LCD, 1280x1024.

>>> The VGA port is cabled to a wireless sender ---> wireless receiver.

>>> The wireless receiver has a composite cable to the TV's video2 port.

>>> The TV is a Sony KDL-40V4100.

>>>

>>> Question: Can someone please point me in the right direction to get

>>> started?

>

>>I would get this working with wires before even thinking of introducing

>>the

>>wireless sender OR the splitter. There's no way for you to know if the

>>problem is in the setup, the splitter, or the wireless. As long as you

>>use known-good cables, it should be much easier to get going. Once you

>>have the settings worked out, then you can introduce splitter and the

>>wireless, and troubleshoot the problems that introduces, one component at

>>a

>>time.

>

> As you suggest, I will send for a 25' VGA cable to try a direct

> connection to the TV. Somewhere I saw different qualities of VGA

> cable. I wonder if it makes a difference?

 

I'm not at an XP system at the moment and can't check the dialogs for other

points, but for setup, can you not just bring the systems closer together?

Yes, there can be issues with longer cable lengths, and it can degrade the

image. Lesser quality cables can also be problematic.

>

>>But again, using a TV as a display is not always an optimal solution.

>>HTH

> -pk

[Guest Stan Hilliard]

Re: How can I display my PC on my TV?

 

On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 23:42:36 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" <test@dev.null>

wrote:

>"Stan Hilliard" <usenetreplyMS@samplingplansNOTSPAM.com> wrote in message

>news:ipg0641kbh3a4cq8e50alreo36ieoj51fv@4ax.com...

>> Thanks Patrick. Some improvements, but not completely fixed. See my

>> inserted remarks.

>> Stan

>>

>> On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 17:33:05 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" <test@dev.null>

>> wrote:

>>>"Stan Hilliard" <usenetreplyMS@samplingplansNOTSPAM.com> wrote in message

>>>news:ei3064hqt38qg4ilqapvthni46dcjnp47p@4ax.com...

>>>> On Wed, 21 May 2008 18:20:44 -0300, "pjp"

>>>> <pjpoirier_is_located_at_@_hotmail_._com> wrote:

>>>>

>>>>>You seem to have what's called a dual-head video card. Likely you can

>>>>>attach

>>>>>a monitor to one connector and either a tv or second monitor to a 2nd

>>>>>connector (using suitable convertor cable). Note, it may be you actually

>>>>>have three connectors, two are for monitors and a composite (and/or

>>>>>svga)

>>>>>connector for the tv.

>>>>>

>>>>>I'll use my own nVidia card as an example. It has two monitor

>>>>>connections

>>>>>and a composite (rca stereo style plug) to connect to tv/vcr. In this

>>>>>configuration I can use any two of the three devices, e.g. 2 monitors or

>>>>>one

>>>>>monitor and tv as my desktop.

>>>>>

>>>>>All the versatility is found with the specific device dependant dialogs

>>>>>added by your video card device driver. They're usually accessed via

>>>>>Display

>>>>>Properties/Settings the Advanced button and look for the extra added

>>>>>tabs.

>>>>>

>>>>>First thing is to get two devices working. Because you see the '1' & '2'

>>>>>on

>>>>>each monitor implies you have that going. Look under Display Propertis

>>>>>for

>>>>>the checkbox "Extend ..." and notice the 2nd monitor is to the right of

>>>>>the

>>>>>primary in the graphic. Note you can move the displays in the graphic to

>>>>>reflect the physical location of the devices, e.g. 2nd display can be

>>>>>right,

>>>>>top, left or bottom of primary. Try and drag the current dialog box to

>>>>>the

>>>>>right (assuming default location) and it should move off the primary

>>>>>display

>>>>>and appear on the secondary one. You have the extended desktop working

>>>>>if

>>>>>so. Note - things like 'maxmize across entire display' is a driver

>>>>>function

>>>>>and not per se provided by Windows itself. In my case, under the

>>>>>forementioned Advanced dialog(s) there's an option to add an extra icon

>>>>>to

>>>>>windows to provide this feature. Your specific card may vary, you'll

>>>>>have

>>>>>to

>>>>>play with the various Advanced options or ask in a newsgroup dedicated

>>>>>to

>>>>>your brand card, e.g. ATI or nVidia most likely.

>>>>>

>>>>>Now, also, somewhere within that same Advanced tab will be options for

>>>>>what

>>>>>to do when video starts playing. There's a couple of choices but the one

>>>>>I'd

>>>>>suggest most usefull is 'Display video full screen on secondary display'

>>>>>(or

>>>>>however it's worded). That allows the video to be a very small (maybe

>>>>>even

>>>>>minimized) window on primary display but shows full screen on whatever

>>>>>is

>>>>>being used as 2nd display, tv or pc monitor.

>>>>>

>>>>>Setup like this, here's what I do. I first change my secondary monitor

>>>>>from

>>>>>another pc monitor (normal configuration) to the tv. This is done by

>>>>>using

>>>>>little tray icon gives ready access to many options. TV comes alive, 2nd

>>>>>pc

>>>>>monitor goes dead. Desktop background appears on tv and I can drag

>>>>>windows

>>>>>etc. back and forth as expected. Note - usually the tv output is limited

>>>>>in

>>>>>resolution, todays crop of cards it tends to be 1024x768. I suggest

>>>>>leave

>>>>>it

>>>>>at that rather than make it less unless reading text on your tv is a

>>>>>must

>>>>>(you'll see what I mean), e.g. 640x480. The hardware will downsample the

>>>>>image anyway to fit on the tv. When I start a video the tv flickers for

>>>>>a

>>>>>moment then presto movie full screen on tv. Have sound routed to stereo

>>>>>and

>>>>>viola.

>>

>>>> Thanks pjp,

>>>> I am still having trouble making it work. The changes I made have

>>>> actually set be back, so I get no wireless transmitted image at all

>>>> now. So I will start over and describe my current situation from the

>>>> beginning.

>>>>

>>>> I want to display whatever is on my PC desktop on my TV.

>>>>

>>>> Windows XP Pro, GeForce 5500 I am a novice.

>>>>

>>>> The LCD Monitor has analog and digital inputs. I want to wire up both

>>>> and use the buttons on the monitor to select which is used. I mostly

>>>> use the digital post but some purposes require using analog.

>>>>

>>>> The only input to the X10 wireless sender is VGA. I use a splitter on

>>>> the 5500's VGA port to both the wireless sender and the monitor.

>>

>>>This is probably a bad idea, because it forces you to use the same

>>>resolution, depth and refresh settings for both screens on the splitter.

>>>You can easily send an out-of-range signal to one of the monitors. And

>>>at

>>>best, that will just send the screen to black.

>>

>> I stopped using the splitter on the analog/VGA output by disconnecting

>> the part that went to the Monitor. Then I used the NVIDIA Desktop

>> Manager v110.26 & selected "typical setup". As desired, it set the DVI

>> port to monitor to #1 and the VGA port to monitor #2. Both are 1280 X

>> 1024.

>>

>> The monitor is good. Except the mouse pointer does not stop at the

>> right edge of the screen. I think it is in span view instead of clone

>> view. Can anything be done about that?

>

>If the desktop is extended rather than mirrored (or cloned), the display

>area is defined by the outer edges of both monitors. So no, you can't do

>anything about that.

 

I don't think I understand extended vs not extended. I would like to

have my regular PC monitor unchanged, and have monitor #2=TV show the

same image. With same resolution? With different resolution?

>The only other way to that would be a desktop manager that allowed you to

>load different desktops to different screens, then switch between them with

>hotkeys. That isn't an XP feature.

>

>

>>

>> This solves another problem. When I had analog splitter hooked up to

>> the monitor there were some (but not all) video players that showed

>> black video in digital & played OK in analog. Now that the monitor is

>> connected to digital only it works fine.

>>

>> The TV receives audio by wireless but still not video.

>>

>>>Better to connect the TV display on the TV and get the correct resolution.

>>>Be warned, though - the results are often poor, particularly if the TV is

>>>larger.

>>

>> The NVIDIA nView Desktop Manager TV wizard HDTV screen asked me if the

>> display on the DVI port supports HDTV (Y/N?). By this I assume that

>> the wizard is trying to configure the TV to the DVI port -- which it

>> is not. So I did cancelled out of the wizard. Maybe I should be

>> setting the PC monitor as if it were a TV because it is on the DVI

>> port , and maybe I should be setting the TV as if it were a monitor

>> because it has to be on the VGA port. (The X10 wireless sender only

>> inputs VGA.)

>

>What does nVidia support say? How about Sony?

>

>>

>>>> Q1: In [Control Panel] [display settings] do I need to set the TV as a

>>>> second monitor, or can I just reflect the same analog signal to the

>>>> monitor and TV? I currently have a second monitor in [display

>>>> settings] but it is "not active" and I don't know how to activate it?

>>>

>>>Connect the two displays to the adapter, then activate both of them; the

>>>card should sense this Be sure that the PC screen is set to 1, and

>>>primary.

>>

>> According to [Control Panel] [display settings] this is working now.

>>

>>>Sometimes you have to power cycle the TV to let it know that there is a

>>>new

>>>signal source.

>>

>> I have restarted both TV and PC. Still no video to the TV.

>

>Check that it isn't out of range.

>

>>

>>>> Q2: I am confused about drivers. Having both monitor and TV on the

>>>> same port with a splitter cable must make a difference. I don't know

>>>> if TVs need a special driver. Any advice here?

>>

>>>No, they do not need special drivers. The issue is not the drivers, it's

>>>the resolution setting and the capabilites of the display electronics.

>>>

>>>As noted above, if you use a splitter, you can easily be out of range on

>>>the

>>>TV, or a hopelessly coarse image on the PC display.

>>

>> I stopped using the splitter.

>>

>>>> Q3: What settings should I use for the NVIDIA 5500 desktop manager.

>>>> Note: I have tried to run it, but I suspect its settings for TV don't

>>>> apply - how could it Know which port I have the TV on?

>>>

>>>The 2nd port. use the Identify function to see which port is which.

>>

>> The PC Monitor is #1 on the DVI port.

>>

>>>> Currently [Control Panel] [display settings] show a not active second

>>>> monitor with generic driver. [Device manager] shows:

>>>> Display Adapter: NVIDIA v8.4.2.1

>>>> Monitor: 3 "default monitors" and 1 ViewSonic VA912b.

>>>

>>>Some video adapters will detect a TV and display at TV option. A

>>>splitter

>>>may prevent this detection.

>>

>>>> Equipment:

>>>> Video Card: GeForce 5500, ports are analog VGA and digital DVI.

>>>> The DVI port is cabled to monitor -- ViewSonic VA912b LCD, 1280x1024.

>>>> The VGA port is cabled to a wireless sender ---> wireless receiver.

>>>> The wireless receiver has a composite cable to the TV's video2 port.

>>>> The TV is a Sony KDL-40V4100.

>>>>

>>>> Question: Can someone please point me in the right direction to get

>>>> started?

>>

>>>I would get this working with wires before even thinking of introducing

>>>the

>>>wireless sender OR the splitter. There's no way for you to know if the

>>>problem is in the setup, the splitter, or the wireless. As long as you

>>>use known-good cables, it should be much easier to get going. Once you

>>>have the settings worked out, then you can introduce splitter and the

>>>wireless, and troubleshoot the problems that introduces, one component at

>>>a

>>>time.

>>

>> As you suggest, I will send for a 25' VGA cable to try a direct

>> connection to the TV. Somewhere I saw different qualities of VGA

>> cable. I wonder if it makes a difference?

>

>I'm not at an XP system at the moment and can't check the dialogs for other

>points, but for setup, can you not just bring the systems closer together?

>Yes, there can be issues with longer cable lengths, and it can degrade the

>image. Lesser quality cables can also be problematic.

 

I will have a 25 ft coax, HD15, M/M, VGA, ferrite cable.

 

I don't have the cable yet so I am working with the wireless. This

question should apply to both. Currently, after updating my nVidia

fx555 drivers to v175.19, I can show the monitor's desktop picture and

its screen saver on the TV screen.

 

Now, how can I send other objects to the TV=monitor2 -- like movie

player output, desktop icons, etc.

 

Stan Hilliard

>>>But again, using a TV as a display is not always an optimal solution.

>>>HTH

>> -pk

[Guest clintonG]

Re: How can I display my PC on my TV?

 

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"Stan Hilliard" <usenetreplyMS@samplingplansNOTSPAM.com> wrote in message

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> On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 23:42:36 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" <test@dev.null>

> wrote:

>

>>"Stan Hilliard" <usenetreplyMS@samplingplansNOTSPAM.com> wrote in message

>>news:ipg0641kbh3a4cq8e50alreo36ieoj51fv@4ax.com...

>>> Thanks Patrick. Some improvements, but not completely fixed. See my

>>> inserted remarks.

>>> Stan

>>>

>>> On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 17:33:05 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" <test@dev.null>

>>> wrote:

>>>>"Stan Hilliard" <usenetreplyMS@samplingplansNOTSPAM.com> wrote in

>>>>message

>>>>news:ei3064hqt38qg4ilqapvthni46dcjnp47p@4ax.com...

>>>>> On Wed, 21 May 2008 18:20:44 -0300, "pjp"

>>>>> <pjpoirier_is_located_at_@_hotmail_._com> wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>>You seem to have what's called a dual-head video card. Likely you can

>>>>>>attach

>>>>>>a monitor to one connector and either a tv or second monitor to a 2nd

>>>>>>connector (using suitable convertor cable). Note, it may be you

>>>>>>actually

>>>>>>have three connectors, two are for monitors and a composite (and/or

>>>>>>svga)

>>>>>>connector for the tv.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>I'll use my own nVidia card as an example. It has two monitor

>>>>>>connections

>>>>>>and a composite (rca stereo style plug) to connect to tv/vcr. In this

>>>>>>configuration I can use any two of the three devices, e.g. 2 monitors

>>>>>>or

>>>>>>one

>>>>>>monitor and tv as my desktop.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>All the versatility is found with the specific device dependant

>>>>>>dialogs

>>>>>>added by your video card device driver. They're usually accessed via

>>>>>>Display

>>>>>>Properties/Settings the Advanced button and look for the extra added

>>>>>>tabs.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>First thing is to get two devices working. Because you see the '1' &

>>>>>>'2'

>>>>>>on

>>>>>>each monitor implies you have that going. Look under Display Propertis

>>>>>>for

>>>>>>the checkbox "Extend ..." and notice the 2nd monitor is to the right

>>>>>>of

>>>>>>the

>>>>>>primary in the graphic. Note you can move the displays in the graphic

>>>>>>to

>>>>>>reflect the physical location of the devices, e.g. 2nd display can be

>>>>>>right,

>>>>>>top, left or bottom of primary. Try and drag the current dialog box to

>>>>>>the

>>>>>>right (assuming default location) and it should move off the primary

>>>>>>display

>>>>>>and appear on the secondary one. You have the extended desktop working

>>>>>>if

>>>>>>so. Note - things like 'maxmize across entire display' is a driver

>>>>>>function

>>>>>>and not per se provided by Windows itself. In my case, under the

>>>>>>forementioned Advanced dialog(s) there's an option to add an extra

>>>>>>icon

>>>>>>to

>>>>>>windows to provide this feature. Your specific card may vary, you'll

>>>>>>have

>>>>>>to

>>>>>>play with the various Advanced options or ask in a newsgroup dedicated

>>>>>>to

>>>>>>your brand card, e.g. ATI or nVidia most likely.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>Now, also, somewhere within that same Advanced tab will be options for

>>>>>>what

>>>>>>to do when video starts playing. There's a couple of choices but the

>>>>>>one

>>>>>>I'd

>>>>>>suggest most usefull is 'Display video full screen on secondary

>>>>>>display'

>>>>>>(or

>>>>>>however it's worded). That allows the video to be a very small (maybe

>>>>>>even

>>>>>>minimized) window on primary display but shows full screen on whatever

>>>>>>is

>>>>>>being used as 2nd display, tv or pc monitor.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>Setup like this, here's what I do. I first change my secondary monitor

>>>>>>from

>>>>>>another pc monitor (normal configuration) to the tv. This is done by

>>>>>>using

>>>>>>little tray icon gives ready access to many options. TV comes alive,

>>>>>>2nd

>>>>>>pc

>>>>>>monitor goes dead. Desktop background appears on tv and I can drag

>>>>>>windows

>>>>>>etc. back and forth as expected. Note - usually the tv output is

>>>>>>limited

>>>>>>in

>>>>>>resolution, todays crop of cards it tends to be 1024x768. I suggest

>>>>>>leave

>>>>>>it

>>>>>>at that rather than make it less unless reading text on your tv is a

>>>>>>must

>>>>>>(you'll see what I mean), e.g. 640x480. The hardware will downsample

>>>>>>the

>>>>>>image anyway to fit on the tv. When I start a video the tv flickers

>>>>>>for

>>>>>>a

>>>>>>moment then presto movie full screen on tv. Have sound routed to

>>>>>>stereo

>>>>>>and

>>>>>>viola.

>>>

>>>>> Thanks pjp,

>>>>> I am still having trouble making it work. The changes I made have

>>>>> actually set be back, so I get no wireless transmitted image at all

>>>>> now. So I will start over and describe my current situation from the

>>>>> beginning.

>>>>>

>>>>> I want to display whatever is on my PC desktop on my TV.

>>>>>

>>>>> Windows XP Pro, GeForce 5500 I am a novice.

>>>>>

>>>>> The LCD Monitor has analog and digital inputs. I want to wire up both

>>>>> and use the buttons on the monitor to select which is used. I mostly

>>>>> use the digital post but some purposes require using analog.

>>>>>

>>>>> The only input to the X10 wireless sender is VGA. I use a splitter on

>>>>> the 5500's VGA port to both the wireless sender and the monitor.

>>>

>>>>This is probably a bad idea, because it forces you to use the same

>>>>resolution, depth and refresh settings for both screens on the splitter.

>>>>You can easily send an out-of-range signal to one of the monitors.

>>>>And

>>>>at

>>>>best, that will just send the screen to black.

>>>

>>> I stopped using the splitter on the analog/VGA output by disconnecting

>>> the part that went to the Monitor. Then I used the NVIDIA Desktop

>>> Manager v110.26 & selected "typical setup". As desired, it set the DVI

>>> port to monitor to #1 and the VGA port to monitor #2. Both are 1280 X

>>> 1024.

>>>

>>> The monitor is good. Except the mouse pointer does not stop at the

>>> right edge of the screen. I think it is in span view instead of clone

>>> view. Can anything be done about that?

>>

>>If the desktop is extended rather than mirrored (or cloned), the display

>>area is defined by the outer edges of both monitors. So no, you can't

>>do

>>anything about that.

>

> I don't think I understand extended vs not extended. I would like to

> have my regular PC monitor unchanged, and have monitor #2=TV show the

> same image. With same resolution? With different resolution?

>

>>The only other way to that would be a desktop manager that allowed you to

>>load different desktops to different screens, then switch between them

>>with

>>hotkeys. That isn't an XP feature.

>>

>>

>>>

>>> This solves another problem. When I had analog splitter hooked up to

>>> the monitor there were some (but not all) video players that showed

>>> black video in digital & played OK in analog. Now that the monitor is

>>> connected to digital only it works fine.

>>>

>>> The TV receives audio by wireless but still not video.

>>>

>>>>Better to connect the TV display on the TV and get the correct

>>>>resolution.

>>>>Be warned, though - the results are often poor, particularly if the TV

>>>>is

>>>>larger.

>>>

>>> The NVIDIA nView Desktop Manager TV wizard HDTV screen asked me if the

>>> display on the DVI port supports HDTV (Y/N?). By this I assume that

>>> the wizard is trying to configure the TV to the DVI port -- which it

>>> is not. So I did cancelled out of the wizard. Maybe I should be

>>> setting the PC monitor as if it were a TV because it is on the DVI

>>> port , and maybe I should be setting the TV as if it were a monitor

>>> because it has to be on the VGA port. (The X10 wireless sender only

>>> inputs VGA.)

>>

>>What does nVidia support say? How about Sony?

>>

>>>

>>>>> Q1: In [Control Panel] [display settings] do I need to set the TV as a

>>>>> second monitor, or can I just reflect the same analog signal to the

>>>>> monitor and TV? I currently have a second monitor in [display

>>>>> settings] but it is "not active" and I don't know how to activate it?

>>>>

>>>>Connect the two displays to the adapter, then activate both of them; the

>>>>card should sense this Be sure that the PC screen is set to 1, and

>>>>primary.

>>>

>>> According to [Control Panel] [display settings] this is working now.

>>>

>>>>Sometimes you have to power cycle the TV to let it know that there is a

>>>>new

>>>>signal source.

>>>

>>> I have restarted both TV and PC. Still no video to the TV.

>>

>>Check that it isn't out of range.

>>

>>>

>>>>> Q2: I am confused about drivers. Having both monitor and TV on the

>>>>> same port with a splitter cable must make a difference. I don't know

>>>>> if TVs need a special driver. Any advice here?

>>>

>>>>No, they do not need special drivers. The issue is not the drivers,

>>>>it's

>>>>the resolution setting and the capabilites of the display electronics.

>>>>

>>>>As noted above, if you use a splitter, you can easily be out of range on

>>>>the

>>>>TV, or a hopelessly coarse image on the PC display.

>>>

>>> I stopped using the splitter.

>>>

>>>>> Q3: What settings should I use for the NVIDIA 5500 desktop manager.

>>>>> Note: I have tried to run it, but I suspect its settings for TV don't

>>>>> apply - how could it Know which port I have the TV on?

>>>>

>>>>The 2nd port. use the Identify function to see which port is which.

>>>

>>> The PC Monitor is #1 on the DVI port.

>>>

>>>>> Currently [Control Panel] [display settings] show a not active second

>>>>> monitor with generic driver. [Device manager] shows:

>>>>> Display Adapter: NVIDIA v8.4.2.1

>>>>> Monitor: 3 "default monitors" and 1 ViewSonic VA912b.

>>>>

>>>>Some video adapters will detect a TV and display at TV option. A

>>>>splitter

>>>>may prevent this detection.

>>>

>>>>> Equipment:

>>>>> Video Card: GeForce 5500, ports are analog VGA and digital DVI.

>>>>> The DVI port is cabled to monitor -- ViewSonic VA912b LCD, 1280x1024.

>>>>> The VGA port is cabled to a wireless sender ---> wireless receiver.

>>>>> The wireless receiver has a composite cable to the TV's video2 port.

>>>>> The TV is a Sony KDL-40V4100.

>>>>>

>>>>> Question: Can someone please point me in the right direction to get

>>>>> started?

>>>

>>>>I would get this working with wires before even thinking of introducing

>>>>the

>>>>wireless sender OR the splitter. There's no way for you to know if

>>>>the

>>>>problem is in the setup, the splitter, or the wireless. As long as

>>>>you

>>>>use known-good cables, it should be much easier to get going. Once you

>>>>have the settings worked out, then you can introduce splitter and the

>>>>wireless, and troubleshoot the problems that introduces, one component

>>>>at

>>>>a

>>>>time.

>>>

>>> As you suggest, I will send for a 25' VGA cable to try a direct

>>> connection to the TV. Somewhere I saw different qualities of VGA

>>> cable. I wonder if it makes a difference?

>>

>>I'm not at an XP system at the moment and can't check the dialogs for

>>other

>>points, but for setup, can you not just bring the systems closer together?

>>Yes, there can be issues with longer cable lengths, and it can degrade the

>>image. Lesser quality cables can also be problematic.

>

> I will have a 25 ft coax, HD15, M/M, VGA, ferrite cable.

>

> I don't have the cable yet so I am working with the wireless. This

> question should apply to both. Currently, after updating my nVidia

> fx555 drivers to v175.19, I can show the monitor's desktop picture and

> its screen saver on the TV screen.

>

> Now, how can I send other objects to the TV=monitor2 -- like movie

> player output, desktop icons, etc.

>

> Stan Hilliard

>

>>>>But again, using a TV as a display is not always an optimal solution.

>>>>HTH

>>> -pk

>

[Guest Stan Hilliard]

Re: How can I display my PC on my TV?

 

On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 15:13:33 -0500, "clintonG" <nobody@nowhere.com>

wrote:

>"Stan Hilliard" <usenetreplyMS@samplingplansNOTSPAM.com> wrote in message

>news:roga64t3rqklsm65oh9c3r4ranao84vt5b@4ax.com...

>> On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 23:42:36 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" <test@dev.null>

>> wrote:

>>

>>>"Stan Hilliard" <usenetreplyMS@samplingplansNOTSPAM.com> wrote in message

>>>news:ipg0641kbh3a4cq8e50alreo36ieoj51fv@4ax.com...

>>>> Thanks Patrick. Some improvements, but not completely fixed. See my

>>>> inserted remarks.

>>>> Stan

>>>>

>>>> On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 17:33:05 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" <test@dev.null>

>>>> wrote:

>>>>>"Stan Hilliard" <usenetreplyMS@samplingplansNOTSPAM.com> wrote in

>>>>>message

>>>>>news:ei3064hqt38qg4ilqapvthni46dcjnp47p@4ax.com...

>>>>>> On Wed, 21 May 2008 18:20:44 -0300, "pjp"

>>>>>> <pjpoirier_is_located_at_@_hotmail_._com> wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>>You seem to have what's called a dual-head video card. Likely you can

>>>>>>>attach

>>>>>>>a monitor to one connector and either a tv or second monitor to a 2nd

>>>>>>>connector (using suitable convertor cable). Note, it may be you

>>>>>>>actually

>>>>>>>have three connectors, two are for monitors and a composite (and/or

>>>>>>>svga)

>>>>>>>connector for the tv.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>I'll use my own nVidia card as an example. It has two monitor

>>>>>>>connections

>>>>>>>and a composite (rca stereo style plug) to connect to tv/vcr. In this

>>>>>>>configuration I can use any two of the three devices, e.g. 2 monitors

>>>>>>>or

>>>>>>>one

>>>>>>>monitor and tv as my desktop.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>All the versatility is found with the specific device dependant

>>>>>>>dialogs

>>>>>>>added by your video card device driver. They're usually accessed via

>>>>>>>Display

>>>>>>>Properties/Settings the Advanced button and look for the extra added

>>>>>>>tabs.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>First thing is to get two devices working. Because you see the '1' &

>>>>>>>'2'

>>>>>>>on

>>>>>>>each monitor implies you have that going. Look under Display Propertis

>>>>>>>for

>>>>>>>the checkbox "Extend ..." and notice the 2nd monitor is to the right

>>>>>>>of

>>>>>>>the

>>>>>>>primary in the graphic. Note you can move the displays in the graphic

>>>>>>>to

>>>>>>>reflect the physical location of the devices, e.g. 2nd display can be

>>>>>>>right,

>>>>>>>top, left or bottom of primary. Try and drag the current dialog box to

>>>>>>>the

>>>>>>>right (assuming default location) and it should move off the primary

>>>>>>>display

>>>>>>>and appear on the secondary one. You have the extended desktop working

>>>>>>>if

>>>>>>>so. Note - things like 'maxmize across entire display' is a driver

>>>>>>>function

>>>>>>>and not per se provided by Windows itself. In my case, under the

>>>>>>>forementioned Advanced dialog(s) there's an option to add an extra

>>>>>>>icon

>>>>>>>to

>>>>>>>windows to provide this feature. Your specific card may vary, you'll

>>>>>>>have

>>>>>>>to

>>>>>>>play with the various Advanced options or ask in a newsgroup dedicated

>>>>>>>to

>>>>>>>your brand card, e.g. ATI or nVidia most likely.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>Now, also, somewhere within that same Advanced tab will be options for

>>>>>>>what

>>>>>>>to do when video starts playing. There's a couple of choices but the

>>>>>>>one

>>>>>>>I'd

>>>>>>>suggest most usefull is 'Display video full screen on secondary

>>>>>>>display'

>>>>>>>(or

>>>>>>>however it's worded). That allows the video to be a very small (maybe

>>>>>>>even

>>>>>>>minimized) window on primary display but shows full screen on whatever

>>>>>>>is

>>>>>>>being used as 2nd display, tv or pc monitor.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>Setup like this, here's what I do. I first change my secondary monitor

>>>>>>>from

>>>>>>>another pc monitor (normal configuration) to the tv. This is done by

>>>>>>>using

>>>>>>>little tray icon gives ready access to many options. TV comes alive,

>>>>>>>2nd

>>>>>>>pc

>>>>>>>monitor goes dead. Desktop background appears on tv and I can drag

>>>>>>>windows

>>>>>>>etc. back and forth as expected. Note - usually the tv output is

>>>>>>>limited

>>>>>>>in

>>>>>>>resolution, todays crop of cards it tends to be 1024x768. I suggest

>>>>>>>leave

>>>>>>>it

>>>>>>>at that rather than make it less unless reading text on your tv is a

>>>>>>>must

>>>>>>>(you'll see what I mean), e.g. 640x480. The hardware will downsample

>>>>>>>the

>>>>>>>image anyway to fit on the tv. When I start a video the tv flickers

>>>>>>>for

>>>>>>>a

>>>>>>>moment then presto movie full screen on tv. Have sound routed to

>>>>>>>stereo

>>>>>>>and

>>>>>>>viola.

>>>>

>>>>>> Thanks pjp,

>>>>>> I am still having trouble making it work. The changes I made have

>>>>>> actually set be back, so I get no wireless transmitted image at all

>>>>>> now. So I will start over and describe my current situation from the

>>>>>> beginning.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I want to display whatever is on my PC desktop on my TV.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Windows XP Pro, GeForce 5500 I am a novice.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> The LCD Monitor has analog and digital inputs. I want to wire up both

>>>>>> and use the buttons on the monitor to select which is used. I mostly

>>>>>> use the digital post but some purposes require using analog.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> The only input to the X10 wireless sender is VGA. I use a splitter on

>>>>>> the 5500's VGA port to both the wireless sender and the monitor.

>>>>

>>>>>This is probably a bad idea, because it forces you to use the same

>>>>>resolution, depth and refresh settings for both screens on the splitter.

>>>>>You can easily send an out-of-range signal to one of the monitors.

>>>>>And

>>>>>at

>>>>>best, that will just send the screen to black.

>>>>

>>>> I stopped using the splitter on the analog/VGA output by disconnecting

>>>> the part that went to the Monitor. Then I used the NVIDIA Desktop

>>>> Manager v110.26 & selected "typical setup". As desired, it set the DVI

>>>> port to monitor to #1 and the VGA port to monitor #2. Both are 1280 X

>>>> 1024.

>>>>

>>>> The monitor is good. Except the mouse pointer does not stop at the

>>>> right edge of the screen. I think it is in span view instead of clone

>>>> view. Can anything be done about that?

>>>

>>>If the desktop is extended rather than mirrored (or cloned), the display

>>>area is defined by the outer edges of both monitors. So no, you can't

>>>do

>>>anything about that.

>>

>> I don't think I understand extended vs not extended. I would like to

>> have my regular PC monitor unchanged, and have monitor #2=TV show the

>> same image. With same resolution? With different resolution?

>>

>>>The only other way to that would be a desktop manager that allowed you to

>>>load different desktops to different screens, then switch between them

>>>with

>>>hotkeys. That isn't an XP feature.

>>>

>>>

>>>>

>>>> This solves another problem. When I had analog splitter hooked up to

>>>> the monitor there were some (but not all) video players that showed

>>>> black video in digital & played OK in analog. Now that the monitor is

>>>> connected to digital only it works fine.

>>>>

>>>> The TV receives audio by wireless but still not video.

>>>>

>>>>>Better to connect the TV display on the TV and get the correct

>>>>>resolution.

>>>>>Be warned, though - the results are often poor, particularly if the TV

>>>>>is

>>>>>larger.

>>>>

>>>> The NVIDIA nView Desktop Manager TV wizard HDTV screen asked me if the

>>>> display on the DVI port supports HDTV (Y/N?). By this I assume that

>>>> the wizard is trying to configure the TV to the DVI port -- which it

>>>> is not. So I did cancelled out of the wizard. Maybe I should be

>>>> setting the PC monitor as if it were a TV because it is on the DVI

>>>> port , and maybe I should be setting the TV as if it were a monitor

>>>> because it has to be on the VGA port. (The X10 wireless sender only

>>>> inputs VGA.)

>>>

>>>What does nVidia support say? How about Sony?

>>>

>>>>

>>>>>> Q1: In [Control Panel] [display settings] do I need to set the TV as a

>>>>>> second monitor, or can I just reflect the same analog signal to the

>>>>>> monitor and TV? I currently have a second monitor in [display

>>>>>> settings] but it is "not active" and I don't know how to activate it?

>>>>>

>>>>>Connect the two displays to the adapter, then activate both of them; the

>>>>>card should sense this Be sure that the PC screen is set to 1, and

>>>>>primary.

>>>>

>>>> According to [Control Panel] [display settings] this is working now.

>>>>

>>>>>Sometimes you have to power cycle the TV to let it know that there is a

>>>>>new

>>>>>signal source.

>>>>

>>>> I have restarted both TV and PC. Still no video to the TV.

>>>

>>>Check that it isn't out of range.

>>>

>>>>

>>>>>> Q2: I am confused about drivers. Having both monitor and TV on the

>>>>>> same port with a splitter cable must make a difference. I don't know

>>>>>> if TVs need a special driver. Any advice here?

>>>>

>>>>>No, they do not need special drivers. The issue is not the drivers,

>>>>>it's

>>>>>the resolution setting and the capabilites of the display electronics.

>>>>>

>>>>>As noted above, if you use a splitter, you can easily be out of range on

>>>>>the

>>>>>TV, or a hopelessly coarse image on the PC display.

>>>>

>>>> I stopped using the splitter.

>>>>

>>>>>> Q3: What settings should I use for the NVIDIA 5500 desktop manager.

>>>>>> Note: I have tried to run it, but I suspect its settings for TV don't

>>>>>> apply - how could it Know which port I have the TV on?

>>>>>

>>>>>The 2nd port. use the Identify function to see which port is which.

>>>>

>>>> The PC Monitor is #1 on the DVI port.

>>>>

>>>>>> Currently [Control Panel] [display settings] show a not active second

>>>>>> monitor with generic driver. [Device manager] shows:

>>>>>> Display Adapter: NVIDIA v8.4.2.1

>>>>>> Monitor: 3 "default monitors" and 1 ViewSonic VA912b.

>>>>>

>>>>>Some video adapters will detect a TV and display at TV option. A

>>>>>splitter

>>>>>may prevent this detection.

>>>>

>>>>>> Equipment:

>>>>>> Video Card: GeForce 5500, ports are analog VGA and digital DVI.

>>>>>> The DVI port is cabled to monitor -- ViewSonic VA912b LCD, 1280x1024.

>>>>>> The VGA port is cabled to a wireless sender ---> wireless receiver.

>>>>>> The wireless receiver has a composite cable to the TV's video2 port.

>>>>>> The TV is a Sony KDL-40V4100.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Question: Can someone please point me in the right direction to get

>>>>>> started?

>>>>

>>>>>I would get this working with wires before even thinking of introducing

>>>>>the

>>>>>wireless sender OR the splitter. There's no way for you to know if

>>>>>the

>>>>>problem is in the setup, the splitter, or the wireless. As long as

>>>>>you

>>>>>use known-good cables, it should be much easier to get going. Once you

>>>>>have the settings worked out, then you can introduce splitter and the

>>>>>wireless, and troubleshoot the problems that introduces, one component

>>>>>at

>>>>>a

>>>>>time.

>>>>

>>>> As you suggest, I will send for a 25' VGA cable to try a direct

>>>> connection to the TV. Somewhere I saw different qualities of VGA

>>>> cable. I wonder if it makes a difference?

>>>

>>>I'm not at an XP system at the moment and can't check the dialogs for

>>>other

>>>points, but for setup, can you not just bring the systems closer together?

>>>Yes, there can be issues with longer cable lengths, and it can degrade the

>>>image. Lesser quality cables can also be problematic.

>>

>> I will have a 25 ft coax, HD15, M/M, VGA, ferrite cable.

>>

>> I don't have the cable yet so I am working with the wireless. This

>> question should apply to both. Currently, after updating my nVidia

>> fx555 drivers to v175.19, I can show the monitor's desktop picture and

>> its screen saver on the TV screen.

>>

>> Now, how can I send other objects to the TV=monitor2 -- like movie

>> player output, desktop icons, etc.

>> Stan Hilliard

>PC Magazine has a new review on this topic. Use search for media extenders

> clintonG

 

Thanks, but the media extenders seem to be hardware systems. All I

want to do is to direct what is on monitor #1 to monitor #2. Isn't

that related to XP's 2-monitor setup? What directs the contents of an

application's window on the PC's monitor to monitor #2? Isn't that the

point of having more than one monitor?

>>>>>But again, using a TV as a display is not always an optimal solution.

>>>>>HTH

>>>> -pk

>>

[Guest Stan Hilliard]

Re: How can I display my PC on my TV?

 

On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 17:36:39 -0500, Stan Hilliard

<usenetreplyMS@samplingplansNOTSPAM.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 15:13:33 -0500, "clintonG" <nobody@nowhere.com>

>wrote:

>>"Stan Hilliard" <usenetreplyMS@samplingplansNOTSPAM.com> wrote in message

>>news:roga64t3rqklsm65oh9c3r4ranao84vt5b@4ax.com...

>>> On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 23:42:36 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" <test@dev.null>

>>> wrote:

>>>>"Stan Hilliard" <usenetreplyMS@samplingplansNOTSPAM.com> wrote in message

>>>>news:ipg0641kbh3a4cq8e50alreo36ieoj51fv@4ax.com...

>>>>> Thanks Patrick. Some improvements, but not completely fixed. See my

>>>>> inserted remarks.

>>>>> Stan

>>>>>

>>>>> On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 17:33:05 -0400, "Patrick Keenan" <test@dev.null>

>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>"Stan Hilliard" <usenetreplyMS@samplingplansNOTSPAM.com> wrote in

>>>>>>message

>>>>>>news:ei3064hqt38qg4ilqapvthni46dcjnp47p@4ax.com...

>>>>>>> On Wed, 21 May 2008 18:20:44 -0300, "pjp"

>>>>>>> <pjpoirier_is_located_at_@_hotmail_._com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>You seem to have what's called a dual-head video card. Likely you can

>>>>>>>>attach

>>>>>>>>a monitor to one connector and either a tv or second monitor to a 2nd

>>>>>>>>connector (using suitable convertor cable). Note, it may be you

>>>>>>>>actually

>>>>>>>>have three connectors, two are for monitors and a composite (and/or

>>>>>>>>svga)

>>>>>>>>connector for the tv.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>I'll use my own nVidia card as an example. It has two monitor

>>>>>>>>connections

>>>>>>>>and a composite (rca stereo style plug) to connect to tv/vcr. In this

>>>>>>>>configuration I can use any two of the three devices, e.g. 2 monitors

>>>>>>>>or

>>>>>>>>one

>>>>>>>>monitor and tv as my desktop.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>All the versatility is found with the specific device dependant

>>>>>>>>dialogs

>>>>>>>>added by your video card device driver. They're usually accessed via

>>>>>>>>Display

>>>>>>>>Properties/Settings the Advanced button and look for the extra added

>>>>>>>>tabs.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>First thing is to get two devices working. Because you see the '1' &

>>>>>>>>'2'

>>>>>>>>on

>>>>>>>>each monitor implies you have that going. Look under Display Propertis

>>>>>>>>for

>>>>>>>>the checkbox "Extend ..." and notice the 2nd monitor is to the right

>>>>>>>>of

>>>>>>>>the

>>>>>>>>primary in the graphic. Note you can move the displays in the graphic

>>>>>>>>to

>>>>>>>>reflect the physical location of the devices, e.g. 2nd display can be

>>>>>>>>right,

>>>>>>>>top, left or bottom of primary. Try and drag the current dialog box to

>>>>>>>>the

>>>>>>>>right (assuming default location) and it should move off the primary

>>>>>>>>display

>>>>>>>>and appear on the secondary one. You have the extended desktop working

>>>>>>>>if

>>>>>>>>so. Note - things like 'maxmize across entire display' is a driver

>>>>>>>>function

>>>>>>>>and not per se provided by Windows itself. In my case, under the

>>>>>>>>forementioned Advanced dialog(s) there's an option to add an extra

>>>>>>>>icon

>>>>>>>>to

>>>>>>>>windows to provide this feature. Your specific card may vary, you'll

>>>>>>>>have

>>>>>>>>to

>>>>>>>>play with the various Advanced options or ask in a newsgroup dedicated

>>>>>>>>to

>>>>>>>>your brand card, e.g. ATI or nVidia most likely.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>Now, also, somewhere within that same Advanced tab will be options for

>>>>>>>>what

>>>>>>>>to do when video starts playing. There's a couple of choices but the

>>>>>>>>one

>>>>>>>>I'd

>>>>>>>>suggest most usefull is 'Display video full screen on secondary

>>>>>>>>display'

>>>>>>>>(or

>>>>>>>>however it's worded). That allows the video to be a very small (maybe

>>>>>>>>even

>>>>>>>>minimized) window on primary display but shows full screen on whatever

>>>>>>>>is

>>>>>>>>being used as 2nd display, tv or pc monitor.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>Setup like this, here's what I do. I first change my secondary monitor

>>>>>>>>from

>>>>>>>>another pc monitor (normal configuration) to the tv. This is done by

>>>>>>>>using

>>>>>>>>little tray icon gives ready access to many options. TV comes alive,

>>>>>>>>2nd

>>>>>>>>pc

>>>>>>>>monitor goes dead. Desktop background appears on tv and I can drag

>>>>>>>>windows

>>>>>>>>etc. back and forth as expected. Note - usually the tv output is

>>>>>>>>limited

>>>>>>>>in

>>>>>>>>resolution, todays crop of cards it tends to be 1024x768. I suggest

>>>>>>>>leave

>>>>>>>>it

>>>>>>>>at that rather than make it less unless reading text on your tv is a

>>>>>>>>must

>>>>>>>>(you'll see what I mean), e.g. 640x480. The hardware will downsample

>>>>>>>>the

>>>>>>>>image anyway to fit on the tv. When I start a video the tv flickers

>>>>>>>>for

>>>>>>>>a

>>>>>>>>moment then presto movie full screen on tv. Have sound routed to

>>>>>>>>stereo

>>>>>>>>and

>>>>>>>>viola.

>>>>>>> Thanks pjp,

>>>>>>> I am still having trouble making it work. The changes I made have

>>>>>>> actually set be back, so I get no wireless transmitted image at all

>>>>>>> now. So I will start over and describe my current situation from the

>>>>>>> beginning.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I want to display whatever is on my PC desktop on my TV.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Windows XP Pro, GeForce 5500 I am a novice.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> The LCD Monitor has analog and digital inputs. I want to wire up both

>>>>>>> and use the buttons on the monitor to select which is used. I mostly

>>>>>>> use the digital post but some purposes require using analog.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> The only input to the X10 wireless sender is VGA. I use a splitter on

>>>>>>> the 5500's VGA port to both the wireless sender and the monitor.

>>>>>>This is probably a bad idea, because it forces you to use the same

>>>>>>resolution, depth and refresh settings for both screens on the splitter.

>>>>>>You can easily send an out-of-range signal to one of the monitors.

>>>>>>And

>>>>>>at

>>>>>>best, that will just send the screen to black.

>>>>> I stopped using the splitter on the analog/VGA output by disconnecting

>>>>> the part that went to the Monitor. Then I used the NVIDIA Desktop

>>>>> Manager v110.26 & selected "typical setup". As desired, it set the DVI

>>>>> port to monitor to #1 and the VGA port to monitor #2. Both are 1280 X

>>>>> 1024.

>>>>>

>>>>> The monitor is good. Except the mouse pointer does not stop at the

>>>>> right edge of the screen. I think it is in span view instead of clone

>>>>> view. Can anything be done about that?

>>>>If the desktop is extended rather than mirrored (or cloned), the display

>>>>area is defined by the outer edges of both monitors. So no, you can't

>>>>do

>>>>anything about that.

>>> I don't think I understand extended vs not extended. I would like to

>>> have my regular PC monitor unchanged, and have monitor #2=TV show the

>>> same image. With same resolution? With different resolution?

>>>>The only other way to that would be a desktop manager that allowed you to

>>>>load different desktops to different screens, then switch between them

>>>>with

>>>>hotkeys. That isn't an XP feature.

 

>>>>> This solves another problem. When I had analog splitter hooked up to

>>>>> the monitor there were some (but not all) video players that showed

>>>>> black video in digital & played OK in analog. Now that the monitor is

>>>>> connected to digital only it works fine.

>>>>>

>>>>> The TV receives audio by wireless but still not video.

>>>>>>Better to connect the TV display on the TV and get the correct

>>>>>>resolution.

>>>>>>Be warned, though - the results are often poor, particularly if the TV

>>>>>>is

>>>>>>larger.

>>>>> The NVIDIA nView Desktop Manager TV wizard HDTV screen asked me if the

>>>>> display on the DVI port supports HDTV (Y/N?). By this I assume that

>>>>> the wizard is trying to configure the TV to the DVI port -- which it

>>>>> is not. So I did cancelled out of the wizard. Maybe I should be

>>>>> setting the PC monitor as if it were a TV because it is on the DVI

>>>>> port , and maybe I should be setting the TV as if it were a monitor

>>>>> because it has to be on the VGA port. (The X10 wireless sender only

>>>>> inputs VGA.)

>>>>What does nVidia support say? How about Sony?

 

>>>>>>> Q1: In [Control Panel] [display settings] do I need to set the TV as a

>>>>>>> second monitor, or can I just reflect the same analog signal to the

>>>>>>> monitor and TV? I currently have a second monitor in [display

>>>>>>> settings] but it is "not active" and I don't know how to activate it?

>>>>>>Connect the two displays to the adapter, then activate both of them; the

>>>>>>card should sense this Be sure that the PC screen is set to 1, and

>>>>>>primary.

>>>>> According to [Control Panel] [display settings] this is working now.

>>>>>>Sometimes you have to power cycle the TV to let it know that there is a

>>>>>>new

>>>>>>signal source.

>>>>> I have restarted both TV and PC. Still no video to the TV.

>>>>Check that it isn't out of range.

 

>>>>>>> Q2: I am confused about drivers. Having both monitor and TV on the

>>>>>>> same port with a splitter cable must make a difference. I don't know

>>>>>>> if TVs need a special driver. Any advice here?

>>>>>>No, they do not need special drivers. The issue is not the drivers,

>>>>>>it's

>>>>>>the resolution setting and the capabilites of the display electronics.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>As noted above, if you use a splitter, you can easily be out of range on

>>>>>>the

>>>>>>TV, or a hopelessly coarse image on the PC display.

>>>>> I stopped using the splitter.

>>>>>>> Q3: What settings should I use for the NVIDIA 5500 desktop manager.

>>>>>>> Note: I have tried to run it, but I suspect its settings for TV don't

>>>>>>> apply - how could it Know which port I have the TV on?

>>>>>>The 2nd port. use the Identify function to see which port is which.

>>>>> The PC Monitor is #1 on the DVI port.

>>>>>>> Currently [Control Panel] [display settings] show a not active second

>>>>>>> monitor with generic driver. [Device manager] shows:

>>>>>>> Display Adapter: NVIDIA v8.4.2.1

>>>>>>> Monitor: 3 "default monitors" and 1 ViewSonic VA912b.

>>>>>>Some video adapters will detect a TV and display at TV option. A

>>>>>>splitter

>>>>>>may prevent this detection.

>>>>>>> Equipment:

>>>>>>> Video Card: GeForce 5500, ports are analog VGA and digital DVI.

>>>>>>> The DVI port is cabled to monitor -- ViewSonic VA912b LCD, 1280x1024.

>>>>>>> The VGA port is cabled to a wireless sender ---> wireless receiver.

>>>>>>> The wireless receiver has a composite cable to the TV's video2 port.

>>>>>>> The TV is a Sony KDL-40V4100.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Question: Can someone please point me in the right direction to get

>>>>>>> started?

>>>>>>I would get this working with wires before even thinking of introducing

>>>>>>the

>>>>>>wireless sender OR the splitter. There's no way for you to know if

>>>>>>the

>>>>>>problem is in the setup, the splitter, or the wireless. As long as

>>>>>>you

>>>>>>use known-good cables, it should be much easier to get going. Once you

>>>>>>have the settings worked out, then you can introduce splitter and the

>>>>>>wireless, and troubleshoot the problems that introduces, one component

>>>>>>at

>>>>>>a

>>>>>>time.

>>>>> As you suggest, I will send for a 25' VGA cable to try a direct

>>>>> connection to the TV. Somewhere I saw different qualities of VGA

>>>>> cable. I wonder if it makes a difference?

>>>>

>>>>I'm not at an XP system at the moment and can't check the dialogs for

>>>>other

>>>>points, but for setup, can you not just bring the systems closer together?

>>>>Yes, there can be issues with longer cable lengths, and it can degrade the

>>>>image. Lesser quality cables can also be problematic.

>>> I will have a 25 ft coax, HD15, M/M, VGA, ferrite cable.

>>>

>>> I don't have the cable yet so I am working with the wireless. This

>>> question should apply to both. Currently, after updating my nVidia

>>> fx555 drivers to v175.19, I can show the monitor's desktop picture and

>>> its screen saver on the TV screen.

>>>

>>> Now, how can I send other objects to the TV=monitor2 -- like movie

>>> player output, desktop icons, etc.

>>> Stan Hilliard

>>PC Magazine has a new review on this topic. Use search for media extenders

>> clintonG

>Thanks, but the media extenders seem to be hardware systems. All I

>want to do is to direct what is on monitor #1 to monitor #2. Isn't

>that related to XP's 2-monitor setup? What directs the contents of an

>application's window on the PC's monitor to monitor #2? Isn't that the

>point of having more than one monitor?

> Stan

 

Answering myself: Happily for me, I succeeded in having the TV

identical to the PC monitor. With the nVidia control panel, I set the

TV as a clone of the monitor. That is all it took.

 

Also the nVidia control panel I set the TV to show video content in

full screen.

Stan Hilliard

>>>>>>But again, using a TV as a display is not always an optimal solution.

>>>>>>HTH

>>>>> -pk

>>>

[Guest Anthony Buckland]

Re: How can I display my PC on my TV?

 

Something approaching 300 lines of quoted material

from earlier posts, down to a depth of nine levels of

quote, a lot of it at level eight, culminating _finally_

in a six-line response to a six-line post.

 

Was there _nothing_ that could have been pruned

before posting the response before mine, by Stan?