need antivirus

May 31, 2008

Re: SOLVED(?)Re: need antivirus-

Re: SOLVED(?)Re: need antivirus-

Gary S. Terhune wrote:

| IMO, considering the condition of the lady's machine at this time and

| the imperative that she remain connected to the internet, and lastly

| that there are still other more important tasks that need to be

| performed on the machine ASAP, I'd leave well enough alone. Maybe

| come back to it later. The Standard Shield is the important one.

| That, along with the passive protections already in place and the

| system is sufficiently protected for the moment.

OK, as I know you do have secret information about her machine from

personal communications. I stand ready to take it up again, then,

if/when CdLSRN should request it after the current work is done. Sounds

like you did get a lot/lot done. Very good, then. OK, bye.

| --

| Gary S. Terhune

| MS-MVP Shell/User

| http://www.grystmill.com

|

| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

| news:erl8DwqwIHA.552@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

|> CdLSRN wrote:

|> | I got a fatal exception and crashed while online. I will take that

|> | part out and the Proxy. Ginny

|>

|> I wouldn't necessarily give up on the avast! proxy yet.

|>

|> (a) Was it working until you set something in Belkin?

|> (b) Can you remember anything more about the fatal exception,

|> like did it mention any programs?

|> © Did you ever have one like that before setting avast!'s proxy?

|>

|> To get a bit more diagnostic info about such crashes...

|>

|> "START button, Run, DRWATSON";

|> now, D-Clk it's button in the Tray.

|>

|> What diagnosis is on the first tab? Copy/paste it's contents,

|> using the menu. Close DrWatson, but leave it in the Tray. It sits

|> waiting for a crash, then traps it, putting info into the Diagnosis

|> tab.

|>

|> (a) "START button, Find, F/F, DrWatson.exe".

|> (Should be in "C:\Windows".)

|> (b) R-Clk it, point to "Send to" & click "Desktop (Create shortcut)".

|> © R-Clk the shortcut on the Desktop, & select "Cut".

|> (d) Open Explorer to "C:\WINDOWS\Start Menu\Programs\StartUp"

|> (e) R-Clk in the R-Pane, & select "Paste".

|>

|> Now, it will always boot to the Tray, waiting for a crash or a D-Clk.

|> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=275481

|> How to troubleshoot program faults with DrWatson

|>

|> | "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message

|> | news:483f66c3$0$15163$607ed4bc@cv.net...

|> |> I have it installed and have the proxy settings set. Only had a

|> |> problem with one site, in that it had a lot of x's instead of

|> |> pictures but

|> |> when I right clicked and said show picture (which is a pita) the

|> |> picture came up! Better than before we made all these changes.

|> |> EBay is the place I would have expected all the x's but it's

|> |> fine. But I think what you are saying is don't try the test.

|> |>

|> |> I remember there is a place on my Belkin setup site to put in

|> |> proxy settings. Let me know if I should do that. For now unless I

|> |> have problems.....I will leave the web shield on. Ginny

|> |>

|> |> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

|> |> news:%238YN3mfwIHA.1772@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

|> |> > That Belkin firewall needs to be in on the game. Plus, we're not

|> |> > sure what other kinds of remains of other apps are left over on

|> |> > your machine that might be getting in the way. Or rather, we

|> |> > know that there's the probability of many such things. Pretty

|> |> > much as many as we can think of, <s>.

|> |> >

|> |> > --

|> |> > Gary S. Terhune

|> |> > MS-MVP Shell/User

|> |> > http://www.grystmill.com

|> |> >

|> |> > "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message

|> |> > news:483f59cb$0$15183$607ed4bc@cv.net...

|> |> > > Can not get online. Will change proxy setting back where they

|> |> > > were.

|> |> > >

|> |> > > "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message

|> |> > > news:483f5764$0$15161$607ed4bc@cv.net...

|> |> > >> Yes you can. I just changed those proxy settings , but the

|> |> > >> Web button has disappear

|> |> > >> in Avast. Did we remove it in some way? (finished my other

|> |> > >> project). "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

|> |> > >> news:uTBcxEfwIHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

|> |> > >> > OK, so Web Shield doesn't work on Win98 without the proxy.

|> |> > >> > Didn't know that.

|> |> > >> > Well, IMO, that ain't worth it. It can just sit there and

|> |> > >> > do nothing so long

|> |> > >> > as it stays out of the way. What I don't get is that it

|> |> > >> > causes Ginny problems, even with no firewall installed on

|> |> > >> > Windows (just the Belkin router.) Unless maybe I've undone

|> |> > >> > enough now that it WILL just sit there and

|> |> > >> > do nothing. I can't get her to test it, <g>.

|> |> > >> >

|> |> > >> > --

|> |> > >> > Gary S. Terhune

|> |> > >> > MS-MVP Shell/User

|> |> > >> > http://www.grystmill.com

|> |> > >> >

|> |> > >> > "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

|> |> > >> > news:uyun5JewIHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

|> |> > >> > > Gary S. Terhune wrote:

|> |> > >> > > | As noted, the problem was solved. And if we want to

|> |> > >> > > | enable WebShield, Brian A. has provided the support

|> |> > >> > > | pages that explain how to do it

|> |> > >> > > in

|> |> > >> > > | Windows 98 (different from later versions.) Not sure

|> |> > >> > > | WHICH one of these threads it's in, but perhaps you

|> |> > >> > > | could find those messages. Brian didn't contribute TOO

|> |> > >> > > | much to the threads, so it should be

|> |> > >> > > easy

|> |> > >> > > | to find them.

|> |> > >> > > |

|> |> > >> > > | All I know is that I installed Avast! on a relatively

|> |> > >> > > | new install

|> |> > >> > > of

|> |> > >> > > | 98, didn't have to change the firewall settings in my

|> |> > >> > > | router (don't have any other firewall), didn't have to

|> |> > >> > > | do any of the things suggested in the articles cited by

|> |> > >> > > | Brian, and it is causing no problems. Never HAVE had to

|> |> > >> > > | disable the WebShield, that I can

|> |> > >> > > recall,

|> |> > >> > > | and I've not only been using it for at least a few

|> |> > >> > > | years, but have installed it on numerous machines with

|> |> > >> > > | WebShield enabled (including several '9x machines) and

|> |> > >> > > | had no problems. Which just goes to show you that it

|> |> > >> > > | ain't all that simple.

|> |> > >> > >

|> |> > >> > > You didn't set the WebShield HTTP proxy...?...

|> |> > >> > > http://www.avast.com/eng/webshield_issues.html#idt_6869

|> |> > >> > >

|> |> > >> > > I've implemented that, as it seemed to improve avast!'s

|> |> > >> > > performance at...

|> |> > >> > > http://www.eicar.org/anti_virus_test_file.htm

|> |> > >> > > (Although, STILL it didn't appear to be as perfect as

|> |> > >> > > McAfee was, which reported a visus for all 8 of the bogus

|> |> > >> > > viruses there when clicked. With avast!, some of the

|> |> > >> > > double-zips had to be opened

|> |> > >> > > after download before an alarm would sound-- not simply

|> |> > >> > > clicked

|> |> > >> > > for download. )

|> |> > >> > >

|> |> > >> > > So...

|> |> > >> > >

|> |> > >> > > (a) Click the avast! icon in the tray.

|> |> > >> > > (b) Select Web Shield in the Installed Providers box.

|> |> > >> > >

|> |> > >> > > What shows for Scanned Count, & does it increase for each

|> |> > >> > > site you visit? Also...

|> |> > >> > >

|> |> > >> > > © Click the Customise button.

|> |> > >> > > (d) Basic tab-- ensure both items are checked.

|> |> > >> > > (e) Web Scanning tab-- ensure Scan All Files is bolted.

|> |> > >> > > (f) Advanced tab-- Check Show Detailed Info on

|> |> > >> > > Performed Action

|> |> > >> > >

|> |> > >> > > Now, do you see a TON of HTTP's & TIFs getting scanned

|> |> > >> > > in pop-up windows at the bottom of your screen for each

|> |> > >> > > site you visit?

|> |> > >> > >

|> |> > >> > > One thing about that HTTP Proxy...

|> |> > >> > >

|> |> > >> > > On the one occasion I temporarily uninstalled an earlier

|> |> > >> > > sub-version of

|> |> > >> > > avast!, the setting was not automatically undone. That

|> |> > >> > > makes sense, since it was manually implemented in the

|> |> > >> > > first place on this Win98 machine-- but one must

|> |> > >> > > remember to undo it manually (I guess), in the event one

|> |> > >> > > wants to uninstall avast! for good. If not undone, I'm

|> |> > >> > > thinking the NET won't work!

|> |> > >> > >

|> |> > >> > > | --

|> |> > >> > > | Gary S. Terhune

|> |> > >> > > | MS-MVP Shell/User

|> |> > >> > > | http://www.grystmill.com

|> |> > >> > > |

|> |> > >> > > | "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message

|> |> > >> > > | news:O4HUVPPwIHA.5580@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

|> |> > >> > > |> The standard shield is most important. The webshield

|> |> > >> > > |> is add protection and may be redundant. The logging

|> |> > >> > > |> on the standard

|> |> > >> > > shield

|> |> > >> > > |> exceeds the webshield.

|> |> > >> > > |> The webshield acts like a "transparent proxy server"or

|> |> > >> > > |> application level FW

|> |> > >> > > |> for Avast database only. I do not know if it needs

|> |> > >> > > |> server rights

|> |> > >> > > or

|> |> > >> > > |> not. Most programs do not. I have no program alerts

|> |> > >> > > |> with these settings and ZA set such that webshield

|> |> > >> > > |> has access rights only. "Gary S. Terhune" <none>

|> |> > >> > > |> wrote in message

|> |> > >> > > |> news:euOs3bOwIHA.2028@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

|> |> > >> > > |>> I know that. The doesn't now and never did have ZA

|> |> > >> > > |>> installed, AFAIK. (Maybe had it installed a long time

|> |> > >> > > |>> ago.)

|> |> > >> > > |>>

|> |> > >> > > |>> --

|> |> > >> > > |>> Gary S. Terhune

|> |> > >> > > |>> MS-MVP Shell/User

|> |> > >> > > |>> http://www.grystmill.com

|> |> > >> > > |>>

|> |> > >> > > |>> "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message

|> |> > >> > > |>> news:eemzPZOwIHA.2208@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

|> |> > >> > > |>> > Sorry, acronyms sometimes overwelm us. By ZA, I

|> |> > >> > > |>> > meant ZoneAlarm firewall.

|> |> > >> > > |>> >

|> |> > >> > > |>> > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

|> |> > >> > > |>> > news:uRrtmSOwIHA.5832@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

|> |> > >> > > |>> >> What ZA? There is no ZA. In any case, the issue

|> |> > >> > > |>> >> has been dealt with in another thread in so far

|> |> > >> > > |>> >> as IE is concerned. The real question is whether

|> |> > >> > > |>> >> to use WebShield at all.

|> |> > >> > > |>> >>

|> |> > >> > > |>> >> I neglected to add to the previous post that we

|> |> > >> > > |>> >> have a

|> |> > >> > > "wrap-up"

|> |> > >> > > |>> >> thread

|> |> > >> > > |>> >> going named "IE running well so far". The lady

|> |> > >> > > |>> >> also just

|> |> > >> > > started

|> |> > >> > > |>> >> a new thread with a request for help in choosing

|> |> > >> > > |>> >> and using a

|> |> > >> > > new

|> |> > >> > > |>> >> firewall, "Which firewall is best for Win98SE".

|> |> > >> > > |>> >> Perhaps you could add something there?

|> |> > >> > > |>> >>

|> |> > >> > > |>> >> --

|> |> > >> > > |>> >> Gary S. Terhune

|> |> > >> > > |>> >> MS-MVP Shell/User

|> |> > >> > > |>> >> http://www.grystmill.com

|> |> > >> > > |>> >>

|> |> > >> > > |>> >> "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message

|> |> > >> > > |>> >> news:OU9zcKOwIHA.704@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

|> |> > >> > > |>> >> > For the ZA;

|> |> > >> > > |>> >> > Overview>Preferences>General_options: check the

|> |> > >> > > |>> >> > proxy setting and use localhost and port 12080.

|> |> > >> > > |>> >> > For MSIE; Internet Options>connections>Lan

|> |> > >> > > |>> >> > Settings> same basic choices as ZA. Next you

|> |> > >> > > |>> >> > need to put the loopback

|> |> > >> > > |>> >> > adapter in the Trusted zone of ZA; FW>Zones: use

|> |> > >> > > |>> >> > IP address

|> |> > >> > > as

|> |> > >> > > |>> >> > the ADD option and name it localhost with IP

|> |> > >> > > |>> >> > 127.0.0.1 and assign it as Trusted.

|> |> > >> > > |>> >> > The Avast webshield should begin scanning and

|> |> > >> > > |>> >> > logging. * I not certain that the ZA setting is

|> |> > >> > > |>> >> > as necessary as MSIE, but seems to be

|> |> > >> > > |>> >> > a good idea to let ZA know that this is working

|> |> > >> > > |>> >> > like a "Transparent Proxy" server.

|> |> > >> > > |>> >> >

|> |> > >> > > |>> >> > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

|> |> > >> > > |>> >> > news:eC3CbG6vIHA.5892@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

|> |> > >> > > |>> >> >> This issue has spanned four threads, now, and

|> |> > >> > > |>> >> >> we'll try to wrap it

|> |> > >> > > |> up

|> |> > >> > > |>> > in

|> |> > >> > > |>> >> > the

|> |> > >> > > |>> >> >> thread "IE Running well so far". However, it

|> |> > >> > > |>> >> >> boils down to there was

|> |> > >> > > |> a

|> |> > >> > > |>> >> >> thirty-day trial firewall installed, so we got

|> |> > >> > > |>> >> >> rid of it.

|> |> > >> > > But

|> |> > >> > > |>> >> >> the REAL issue is that for Avast! Web Shield to

|> |> > >> > > |>> >> >> function,

|> |> > >> > > it

|> |> > >> > > |>> >> >> needs to have port 12080 open. This is from

|> |> > >> > > |>> >> >> Avast! Support:

|> |> > >> > > |>> >> >> > You should allow web shield avast! provider

|> |> > >> > > |>> >> >> > to access internet in your firewall settings.

|> |> > >> > > |>> >> >> >

|> |> > >> > > |>> >> >> > You can remove existing rules for avast in

|> |> > >> > > |>> >> >> > your firewall, then

|> |> > >> > > |> start

|> |> > >> > > |>> >> > avast

|> |> > >> > > |>> >> >> update (or restart Windows to trigger

|> |> > >> > > |>> >> >> auto-update check). When firewall

|> |> > >> > > |>> >> >> asks, allow avast.setup access to internet and

|> |> > >> > > |>> >> >> create the rule again. If your firewall has

|> |> > >> > > |>> >> >> option that allowed

|> |> > >> > > program

|> |> > >> > > |>> >> >> changes often, set it too.

|> |> > >> > > |>> >> >> >

|> |> > >> > > |>> >> >> > For the correct operation the Web Shield

|> |> > >> > > |>> >> >> > process (ashWebSv.exe or aswWebSv.exe) needs

|> |> > >> > > |>> >> >> > a permission to

|> |> > >> > > access

|> |> > >> > > |>> >> >> > the Internet (TCP port 80) and a permission

|> |> > >> > > |>> >> >> to act as a server and accept incoming

|> |> > >> > > |>> >> >> > connections from localhost (the local

|> |> > >> > > |>> >> >> > machine) on TCP

|> |> > >> > > port

|> |> > >> > > |>> >> >> > 12080.

|> |> > >> > > |>> >> >>

|> |> > >> > > |>> >> >> There are still outstanding questions, and

|> |> > >> > > |>> >> >> she'll be

|> |> > >> > > running

|> |> > >> > > |>> >> >> more formal scans for malware, HJT, etc.

|> |> > >> > > |>> >> >>

|> |> > >> > > |>> >> >> --

|> |> > >> > > |>> >> >> Gary S. Terhune

|> |> > >> > > |>> >> >> MS-MVP Shell/User

|> |> > >> > > |>> >> >> http://www.grystmill.com

|> |> > >> > > |>> >> >>

|> |> > >> > > |>> >> >> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message

|> |> > >> > > |>> >> >> news:48363e4c$0$15202$607ed4bc@cv.net...

|> |> > >> > > |>> >> >> > Is there a antivirus that I can download that

|> |> > >> > > |>> >> >> > still supports Windows 98se for my Dell

|> |> > >> > > |>> >> >> > Dimension desktop?

|> |> > >> > >

|> |> > >> > > --

|> |> > >> > > Thanks or Good Luck,

|> |> > >> > > There may be humor in this post, and,

|> |> > >> > > Naturally, you will not sue,

|> |> > >> > > Should things get worse after this,

|> |> > >> > > PCR

|> |> > >> > > pcrrcp@netzero.net

|>

|> --

|> Thanks or Good Luck,

|> There may be humor in this post, and,

|> Naturally, you will not sue,

|> Should things get worse after this,

|> PCR

|> pcrrcp@netzero.net

--

Thanks or Good Luck,

There may be humor in this post, and,

Naturally, you will not sue,

Should things get worse after this,

PCR

pcrrcp@netzero.net

May 31, 2008

Re: SOLVED(?)Re: need antivirus

Re: SOLVED(?)Re: need antivirus

I am here and you can get me to test it. Tell me what you want me to do. Gin

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

news:ODYJ3lqwIHA.2208@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

> | OK, so Web Shield doesn't work on Win98 without the proxy. Didn't

> | know that.

>

> That appears to be so. Athough it appears to involve sites only -- the

> stuff that begins "http:" & probably "https:" & possibly others -- there

> could be multiples involved when clicking a single URL. I can see 4

> http:'s flash by in pop-ups when I click that avast! URL I posted

> earlier-- & the Scanned Count increased from 17 to 22!

>

> TIFs STILL were scanned (seen in pop-ups) as they entered, even with Web

> Shield paused. Scanned Count did not increased for them.

>

> | Well, IMO, that ain't worth it.

>

> Well, it DOES seem to improve virus detection at that Eicar site, as I

> said. Checking again (& this is a bit different from first

> remembered)...

>

> With Web Shield PAUSED... none of the 8 clicked at Eicar sound an alarm.

> The download box is offered instead, & the download is allowed. The

> downloaded file has to be R-Clkd & scanned or clicked to run or open for

> avast! to detect a virus.

>

> With Web Shield RESUMED... the all 4 HTTP viruses get detected as soon

> as they are clicked at the site. The download box is not offererd. All 4

> HTTPS viruses behaved as with WS paused.

>

> Now, I see (Web Shield on or off), the HTTPS eicar.com.txt file will

> open when clicked. Even downloaded, it also will open when clicked. For

> a virus to be detected-- it must be R-Clkd & explicitly scanned! SO...

> avast! isn't perfect! (The HTTP text file will get detected when clicked

> at the site-- usually! If it stops detecting that one, clear TIFs of all

> things Eicar. Sheesh.)

>

> For all of that, it didn't seem to matter whether On-Access Scan was set

> to Normal or to High.

>

> | It can just sit there and

> | do nothing so long as it stays out of the way. What I don't get is

> | that it causes Ginny problems, even with no firewall installed on

> | Windows (just the Belkin router.) Unless maybe I've undone enough now

> | that it WILL just sit there and do nothing. I can't get her to test

> | it, <g>.

>

> I see she's done a bit of testing but had a crash. I'll try to figure

> it, if I can.

>

> | --

> | Gary S. Terhune

> | MS-MVP Shell/User

> | http://www.grystmill.com

> |

> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

> | news:uyun5JewIHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> |> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

> |> | As noted, the problem was solved. And if we want to enable

> |> | WebShield, Brian A. has provided the support pages that explain

> |> | how to do it in Windows 98 (different from later versions.) Not

> |> | sure WHICH one of these threads it's in, but perhaps you could

> |> | find those messages. Brian didn't contribute TOO much to the

> |> | threads, so it should be easy to find them.

> |> |

> |> | All I know is that I installed Avast! on a relatively new install

> |> | of 98, didn't have to change the firewall settings in my router

> |> | (don't have any other firewall), didn't have to do any of the

> |> | things suggested in the articles cited by Brian, and it is causing

> |> | no problems. Never HAVE had to disable the WebShield, that I can

> |> | recall, and I've not only been using it for at least a few years,

> |> | but have installed it on numerous machines with WebShield enabled

> |> | (including several '9x machines) and had no problems. Which just

> |> | goes to show you that it ain't all that simple.

> |>

> |> You didn't set the WebShield HTTP proxy...?...

> |> http://www.avast.com/eng/webshield_issues.html#idt_6869

> |>

> |> I've implemented that, as it seemed to improve avast!'s performance

> |> at...

> |> http://www.eicar.org/anti_virus_test_file.htm

> |> (Although, STILL it didn't appear to be as perfect as McAfee was,

> |> which reported a visus for all 8 of the bogus viruses there when

> |> clicked. With avast!, some of the double-zips had to be opened

> |> after download before an alarm would sound-- not simply clicked

> |> for download. )

> |>

> |> So...

> |>

> |> (a) Click the avast! icon in the tray.

> |> (b) Select Web Shield in the Installed Providers box.

> |>

> |> What shows for Scanned Count, & does it increase for each site you

> |> visit? Also...

> |>

> |> © Click the Customise button.

> |> (d) Basic tab-- ensure both items are checked.

> |> (e) Web Scanning tab-- ensure Scan All Files is bolted.

> |> (f) Advanced tab-- Check Show Detailed Info on

> |> Performed Action

> |>

> |> Now, do you see a TON of HTTP's & TIFs getting scanned in pop-up

> |> windows at the bottom of your screen for each site you visit?

> |>

> |> One thing about that HTTP Proxy...

> |>

> |> On the one occasion I temporarily uninstalled an earlier sub-version

> |> of avast!, the setting was not automatically undone. That makes

> |> sense, since it was manually implemented in the first place on this

> |> Win98 machine-- but one must remember to undo it manually (I guess),

> |> in the event one wants to uninstall avast! for good. If not undone,

> |> I'm thinking the NET won't work!

> |>

> |> | --

> |> | Gary S. Terhune

> |> | MS-MVP Shell/User

> |> | http://www.grystmill.com

> |> |

> |> | "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message

> |> | news:O4HUVPPwIHA.5580@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> |> |> The standard shield is most important. The webshield is add

> |> |> protection and may be redundant. The logging on the standard

> |> |> shield exceeds the webshield.

> |> |> The webshield acts like a "transparent proxy server"or application

> |> |> level FW

> |> |> for Avast database only. I do not know if it needs server rights

> |> |> or not. Most programs do not. I have no program alerts with these

> |> |> settings and ZA set such that webshield has access rights only.

> |> |> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

> |> |> news:euOs3bOwIHA.2028@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> |> |>> I know that. The doesn't now and never did have ZA installed,

> |> |>> AFAIK. (Maybe had it installed a long time ago.)

> |> |>>

> |> |>> --

> |> |>> Gary S. Terhune

> |> |>> MS-MVP Shell/User

> |> |>> http://www.grystmill.com

> |> |>>

> |> |>> "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message

> |> |>> news:eemzPZOwIHA.2208@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> |> |>> > Sorry, acronyms sometimes overwelm us. By ZA, I meant ZoneAlarm

> |> |>> > firewall.

> |> |>> >

> |> |>> > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

> |> |>> > news:uRrtmSOwIHA.5832@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> |> |>> >> What ZA? There is no ZA. In any case, the issue has been dealt

> |> |>> >> with in another thread in so far as IE is concerned. The real

> |> |>> >> question is whether to use WebShield at all.

> |> |>> >>

> |> |>> >> I neglected to add to the previous post that we have a

> |> |>> >> "wrap-up" thread

> |> |>> >> going named "IE running well so far". The lady also just

> |> |>> >> started a new thread with a request for help in choosing and

> |> |>> >> using a new firewall, "Which firewall is best for Win98SE".

> |> |>> >> Perhaps you could add something there?

> |> |>> >>

> |> |>> >> --

> |> |>> >> Gary S. Terhune

> |> |>> >> MS-MVP Shell/User

> |> |>> >> http://www.grystmill.com

> |> |>> >>

> |> |>> >> "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message

> |> |>> >> news:OU9zcKOwIHA.704@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> |> |>> >> > For the ZA; Overview>Preferences>General_options: check the

> |> |>> >> > proxy setting and use localhost and port 12080. For MSIE;

> |> |>> >> > Internet Options>connections>Lan

> |> |>> >> > Settings> same basic choices as ZA. Next you need to put the

> |> |>> >> > loopback

> |> |>> >> > adapter in the Trusted zone of ZA; FW>Zones: use IP address

> |> |>> >> > as the ADD option and name it localhost with IP 127.0.0.1

> |> |>> >> > and assign it as Trusted.

> |> |>> >> > The Avast webshield should begin scanning and logging.

> |> |>> >> > * I not certain that the ZA setting is as necessary as MSIE,

> |> |>> >> > but seems to be

> |> |>> >> > a good idea to let ZA know that this is working like a

> |> |>> >> > "Transparent Proxy" server.

> |> |>> >> >

> |> |>> >> > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

> |> |>> >> > news:eC3CbG6vIHA.5892@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> |> |>> >> >> This issue has spanned four threads, now, and we'll try to

> |> |>> >> >> wrap it

> |> |> up

> |> |>> > in

> |> |>> >> > the

> |> |>> >> >> thread "IE Running well so far". However, it boils down to

> |> |>> >> >> there was

> |> |> a

> |> |>> >> >> thirty-day trial firewall installed, so we got rid of it.

> |> |>> >> >> But the REAL issue is that for Avast! Web Shield to

> |> |>> >> >> function, it needs to have port 12080 open. This is from

> |> |>> >> >> Avast! Support:

> |> |>> >> >> > You should allow web shield avast! provider to access

> |> |>> >> >> > internet in your firewall settings.

> |> |>> >> >> >

> |> |>> >> >> > You can remove existing rules for avast in your firewall,

> |> |>> >> >> > then

> |> |> start

> |> |>> >> > avast

> |> |>> >> >> update (or restart Windows to trigger auto-update check).

> |> |>> >> >> When firewall

> |> |>> >> >> asks, allow avast.setup access to internet and create the

> |> |>> >> >> rule again. If your firewall has option that allowed

> |> |>> >> >> program changes often, set it too.

> |> |>> >> >> >

> |> |>> >> >> > For the correct operation the Web Shield process

> |> |>> >> >> > (ashWebSv.exe or aswWebSv.exe) needs a permission to

> |> |>> >> >> > access the Internet (TCP port 80) and a permission

> |> |>> >> >> to act as a server and accept incoming

> |> |>> >> >> > connections from localhost (the local machine) on TCP

> |> |>> >> >> > port 12080.

> |> |>> >> >>

> |> |>> >> >> There are still outstanding questions, and she'll be

> |> |>> >> >> running more formal scans for malware, HJT, etc.

> |> |>> >> >>

> |> |>> >> >> --

> |> |>> >> >> Gary S. Terhune

> |> |>> >> >> MS-MVP Shell/User

> |> |>> >> >> http://www.grystmill.com

> |> |>> >> >>

> |> |>> >> >> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message

> |> |>> >> >> news:48363e4c$0$15202$607ed4bc@cv.net...

> |> |>> >> >> > Is there a antivirus that I can download that still

> |> |>> >> >> > supports Windows 98se for my Dell

> |> |>> >> >> > Dimension desktop?

> |>

> |> --

> |> Thanks or Good Luck,

> |> There may be humor in this post, and,

> |> Naturally, you will not sue,

> |> Should things get worse after this,

> |> PCR

> |> pcrrcp@netzero.net

>

> --

> Thanks or Good Luck,

> There may be humor in this post, and,

> Naturally, you will not sue,

> Should things get worse after this,

> PCR

> pcrrcp@netzero.net

>

May 31, 2008

Re: SOLVED(?)Re: need antivirus

Re: SOLVED(?)Re: need antivirus

CdLSRN wrote:

| I am here and you can get me to test it. Tell me what you want me to

| do. Gin

Well, (turn on DrWatson now, but) best finish up with Terhune in all

threads first, I think-- I'd rather he battle with MEB than me! He isn't

quite as mellow as he had once become anymore! After that, as I posted

elsewhere...

I wouldn't necessarily give up on the avast! proxy yet.

(a) Was it working until you set something in Belkin?

(b) Can you remember anything more about the fatal exception,

like did it mention any programs & what was the last thing

you clicked before it happened?

To get a bit more diagnostic info about such crashes...

"START button, Run, DRWATSON";

now, D-Clk it's button in the Tray.

What diagnosis is on the first tab? Copy/paste it's contents,

using the menu. Close DrWatson, but leave it in the Tray. It sits

waiting for a crash, then traps it, putting info into the Diagnosis tab.

(a) "START button, Find, F/F, DrWatson.exe".

(Should be in "C:\Windows".)

(b) R-Clk it, point to "Send to" & click "Desktop (Create shortcut)".

(d) Open Explorer to "C:\WINDOWS\Start Menu\Programs\StartUp"

(e) R-Clk in the R-Pane, & select "Paste".

Now, it will always boot to the Tray, waiting for a crash or a D-Clk.

http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=275481

How to troubleshoot program faults with DrWatson

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

| news:ODYJ3lqwIHA.2208@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

|> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

|> | OK, so Web Shield doesn't work on Win98 without the proxy. Didn't

|> | know that.

|>

|> That appears to be so. Athough it appears to involve sites only --

|> the stuff that begins "http:" & probably "https:" & possibly others

|> -- there could be multiples involved when clicking a single URL. I

|> can see 4 http:'s flash by in pop-ups when I click that avast! URL I

|> posted earlier-- & the Scanned Count increased from 17 to 22!

|>

|> TIFs STILL were scanned (seen in pop-ups) as they entered, even with

|> Web Shield paused. Scanned Count did not increased for them.

|>

|> | Well, IMO, that ain't worth it.

|>

|> Well, it DOES seem to improve virus detection at that Eicar site, as

|> I said. Checking again (& this is a bit different from first

|> remembered)...

|>

|> With Web Shield PAUSED... none of the 8 clicked at Eicar sound an

|> alarm. The download box is offered instead, & the download is

|> allowed. The downloaded file has to be R-Clkd & scanned or clicked

|> to run or open for avast! to detect a virus.

|>

|> With Web Shield RESUMED... the all 4 HTTP viruses get detected as

|> soon as they are clicked at the site. The download box is not

|> offererd. All 4 HTTPS viruses behaved as with WS paused.

|>

|> Now, I see (Web Shield on or off), the HTTPS eicar.com.txt file will

|> open when clicked. Even downloaded, it also will open when clicked.

|> For a virus to be detected-- it must be R-Clkd & explicitly scanned!

|> SO... avast! isn't perfect! (The HTTP text file will get detected

|> when clicked at the site-- usually! If it stops detecting that one,

|> clear TIFs of all things Eicar. Sheesh.)

|>

|> For all of that, it didn't seem to matter whether On-Access Scan was

|> set to Normal or to High.

|>

|> | It can just sit there and

|> | do nothing so long as it stays out of the way. What I don't get is

|> | that it causes Ginny problems, even with no firewall installed on

|> | Windows (just the Belkin router.) Unless maybe I've undone enough

|> | now that it WILL just sit there and do nothing. I can't get her to

|> | test it, <g>.

|>

|> I see she's done a bit of testing but had a crash. I'll try to figure

|> it, if I can.

|>

|> | --

|> | Gary S. Terhune

|> | MS-MVP Shell/User

|> | http://www.grystmill.com

|> |

|> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

|> | news:uyun5JewIHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

|> |> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

|> |> | As noted, the problem was solved. And if we want to enable

|> |> | WebShield, Brian A. has provided the support pages that explain

|> |> | how to do it in Windows 98 (different from later versions.) Not

|> |> | sure WHICH one of these threads it's in, but perhaps you could

|> |> | find those messages. Brian didn't contribute TOO much to the

|> |> | threads, so it should be easy to find them.

|> |> |

|> |> | All I know is that I installed Avast! on a relatively new

|> |> | install of 98, didn't have to change the firewall settings in

|> |> | my router (don't have any other firewall), didn't have to do

|> |> | any of the things suggested in the articles cited by Brian, and

|> |> | it is causing no problems. Never HAVE had to disable the

|> |> | WebShield, that I can recall, and I've not only been using it

|> |> | for at least a few years, but have installed it on numerous

|> |> | machines with WebShield enabled (including several '9x

|> |> | machines) and had no problems. Which just goes to show you that

|> |> | it ain't all that simple.

|> |>

|> |> You didn't set the WebShield HTTP proxy...?...

|> |> http://www.avast.com/eng/webshield_issues.html#idt_6869

|> |>

|> |> I've implemented that, as it seemed to improve avast!'s

|> |> performance at...

|> |> http://www.eicar.org/anti_virus_test_file.htm

|> |> (Although, STILL it didn't appear to be as perfect as McAfee was,

|> |> which reported a visus for all 8 of the bogus viruses there when

|> |> clicked. With avast!, some of the double-zips had to be opened

|> |> after download before an alarm would sound-- not simply clicked

|> |> for download. )

|> |>

|> |> So...

|> |>

|> |> (a) Click the avast! icon in the tray.

|> |> (b) Select Web Shield in the Installed Providers box.

|> |>

|> |> What shows for Scanned Count, & does it increase for each site you

|> |> visit? Also...

|> |>

|> |> © Click the Customise button.

|> |> (d) Basic tab-- ensure both items are checked.

|> |> (e) Web Scanning tab-- ensure Scan All Files is bolted.

|> |> (f) Advanced tab-- Check Show Detailed Info on

|> |> Performed Action

|> |>

|> |> Now, do you see a TON of HTTP's & TIFs getting scanned in pop-up

|> |> windows at the bottom of your screen for each site you visit?

|> |>

|> |> One thing about that HTTP Proxy...

|> |>

|> |> On the one occasion I temporarily uninstalled an earlier

|> |> sub-version of avast!, the setting was not automatically undone.

|> |> That makes sense, since it was manually implemented in the first

|> |> place on this Win98 machine-- but one must remember to undo it

|> |> manually (I guess), in the event one wants to uninstall avast!

|> |> for good. If not undone, I'm thinking the NET won't work!

|> |>

|> |> | --

|> |> | Gary S. Terhune

|> |> | MS-MVP Shell/User

|> |> | http://www.grystmill.com

....snip

--

Thanks or Good Luck,

There may be humor in this post, and,

Naturally, you will not sue,

Should things get worse after this,

PCR

pcrrcp@netzero.net

May 31, 2008

Re: SOLVED(?)Re: need antivirus

Re: SOLVED(?)Re: need antivirus

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> To get a bit more diagnostic info about such crashes...

>

> "START button, Run, DRWATSON";

> now, D-Clk it's button in the Tray.

>

> What diagnosis is on the first tab? Copy/paste it's contents,

> using the menu. Close DrWatson, but leave it in the Tray. It sits

> waiting for a crash, then traps it, putting info into the Diagnosis tab.

>

> (a) "START button, Find, F/F, DrWatson.exe".

> (Should be in "C:\Windows".)

> (b) R-Clk it, point to "Send to" & click "Desktop (Create shortcut)".

> © R-Clk the shortcut on the Desktop, & select "Cut".

> (d) Open Explorer to "C:\WINDOWS\Start Menu\Programs\StartUp"

> (e) R-Clk in the R-Pane, & select "Paste".

>

> Now, it will always boot to the Tray, waiting for a crash or a D-Clk.

> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=275481

> How to troubleshoot

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

news:ecF6cAswIHA.4772@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> CdLSRN wrote:

> | I am here and you can get me to test it. Tell me what you want me to

> | do. Gin

>

> Well, (turn on DrWatson now, but) best finish up with Terhune in all

> threads first, I think-- I'd rather he battle with MEB than me! He isn't

> quite as mellow as he had once become anymore! After that, as I posted

> elsewhere...

>

> I wouldn't necessarily give up on the avast! proxy yet.

>

> (a) Was it working until you set something in Belkin?

> (b) Can you remember anything more about the fatal exception,

> like did it mention any programs & what was the last thing

> you clicked before it happened?

> © Did you ever have one like that before setting avast!'s proxy?

>

program faults with DrWatson

>

> "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

> | news:ODYJ3lqwIHA.2208@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> |> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

> |> | OK, so Web Shield doesn't work on Win98 without the proxy. Didn't

> |> | know that.

> |>

> |> That appears to be so. Athough it appears to involve sites only --

> |> the stuff that begins "http:" & probably "https:" & possibly others

> |> -- there could be multiples involved when clicking a single URL. I

> |> can see 4 http:'s flash by in pop-ups when I click that avast! URL I

> |> posted earlier-- & the Scanned Count increased from 17 to 22!

> |>

> |> TIFs STILL were scanned (seen in pop-ups) as they entered, even with

> |> Web Shield paused. Scanned Count did not increased for them.

> |>

> |> | Well, IMO, that ain't worth it.

> |>

> |> Well, it DOES seem to improve virus detection at that Eicar site, as

> |> I said. Checking again (& this is a bit different from first

> |> remembered)...

> |>

> |> With Web Shield PAUSED... none of the 8 clicked at Eicar sound an

> |> alarm. The download box is offered instead, & the download is

> |> allowed. The downloaded file has to be R-Clkd & scanned or clicked

> |> to run or open for avast! to detect a virus.

> |>

> |> With Web Shield RESUMED... the all 4 HTTP viruses get detected as

> |> soon as they are clicked at the site. The download box is not

> |> offererd. All 4 HTTPS viruses behaved as with WS paused.

> |>

> |> Now, I see (Web Shield on or off), the HTTPS eicar.com.txt file will

> |> open when clicked. Even downloaded, it also will open when clicked.

> |> For a virus to be detected-- it must be R-Clkd & explicitly scanned!

> |> SO... avast! isn't perfect! (The HTTP text file will get detected

> |> when clicked at the site-- usually! If it stops detecting that one,

> |> clear TIFs of all things Eicar. Sheesh.)

> |>

> |> For all of that, it didn't seem to matter whether On-Access Scan was

> |> set to Normal or to High.

> |>

> |> | It can just sit there and

> |> | do nothing so long as it stays out of the way. What I don't get is

> |> | that it causes Ginny problems, even with no firewall installed on

> |> | Windows (just the Belkin router.) Unless maybe I've undone enough

> |> | now that it WILL just sit there and do nothing. I can't get her to

> |> | test it, <g>.

> |>

> |> I see she's done a bit of testing but had a crash. I'll try to figure

> |> it, if I can.

> |>

> |> | --

> |> | Gary S. Terhune

> |> | MS-MVP Shell/User

> |> | http://www.grystmill.com

> |> |

> |> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

> |> | news:uyun5JewIHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> |> |> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

> |> |> | As noted, the problem was solved. And if we want to enable

> |> |> | WebShield, Brian A. has provided the support pages that explain

> |> |> | how to do it in Windows 98 (different from later versions.) Not

> |> |> | sure WHICH one of these threads it's in, but perhaps you could

> |> |> | find those messages. Brian didn't contribute TOO much to the

> |> |> | threads, so it should be easy to find them.

> |> |> |

> |> |> | All I know is that I installed Avast! on a relatively new

> |> |> | install of 98, didn't have to change the firewall settings in

> |> |> | my router (don't have any other firewall), didn't have to do

> |> |> | any of the things suggested in the articles cited by Brian, and

> |> |> | it is causing no problems. Never HAVE had to disable the

> |> |> | WebShield, that I can recall, and I've not only been using it

> |> |> | for at least a few years, but have installed it on numerous

> |> |> | machines with WebShield enabled (including several '9x

> |> |> | machines) and had no problems. Which just goes to show you that

> |> |> | it ain't all that simple.

> |> |>

> |> |> You didn't set the WebShield HTTP proxy...?...

> |> |> http://www.avast.com/eng/webshield_issues.html#idt_6869

> |> |>

> |> |> I've implemented that, as it seemed to improve avast!'s

> |> |> performance at...

> |> |> http://www.eicar.org/anti_virus_test_file.htm

> |> |> (Although, STILL it didn't appear to be as perfect as McAfee was,

> |> |> which reported a visus for all 8 of the bogus viruses there when

> |> |> clicked. With avast!, some of the double-zips had to be opened

> |> |> after download before an alarm would sound-- not simply clicked

> |> |> for download. )

> |> |>

> |> |> So...

> |> |>

> |> |> (a) Click the avast! icon in the tray.

> |> |> (b) Select Web Shield in the Installed Providers box.

> |> |>

> |> |> What shows for Scanned Count, & does it increase for each site you

> |> |> visit? Also...

> |> |>

> |> |> © Click the Customise button.

> |> |> (d) Basic tab-- ensure both items are checked.

> |> |> (e) Web Scanning tab-- ensure Scan All Files is bolted.

> |> |> (f) Advanced tab-- Check Show Detailed Info on

> |> |> Performed Action

> |> |>

> |> |> Now, do you see a TON of HTTP's & TIFs getting scanned in pop-up

> |> |> windows at the bottom of your screen for each site you visit?

> |> |>

> |> |> One thing about that HTTP Proxy...

> |> |>

> |> |> On the one occasion I temporarily uninstalled an earlier

> |> |> sub-version of avast!, the setting was not automatically undone.

> |> |> That makes sense, since it was manually implemented in the first

> |> |> place on this Win98 machine-- but one must remember to undo it

> |> |> manually (I guess), in the event one wants to uninstall avast!

> |> |> for good. If not undone, I'm thinking the NET won't work!

> |> |>

> |> |> | --

> |> |> | Gary S. Terhune

> |> |> | MS-MVP Shell/User

> |> |> | http://www.grystmill.com

>

> ...snip

> --

> Thanks or Good Luck,

> There may be humor in this post, and,

> Naturally, you will not sue,

> Should things get worse after this,

> PCR

> pcrrcp@netzero.net

>

May 31, 2008

Re: SOLVED(?)Re: need antivirus

Re: SOLVED(?)Re: need antivirus

I did not set anything in Belkin. Perhaps I should have gone to my site and entered

the Proxy settings for Avast.

I believe it was a fatal exception OD... but I didn't stay there long. I was afraid I

had lost my machine. Sorry. As you can see I ran Dr. Watson.and posted the

results......saved a copy to the desktop and closed it.

Yes I had fatal exceptions OD a few years ago (or more) caused me no end of

trouble. Either caused by McAfee or one of my other troublesome firewalls. CA was the

first trouble free firewall that I can remember. Sorry, don't remember the last

thing I clicked before the crash. I am going to set up Dr. Watson now . Then I will

set up the proxy and the web scanner. I will look for Brians links for windows 98 and

Avast Web Shield. Should I put the proxy settings in to Belkin? Ginny

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

news:ecF6cAswIHA.4772@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> CdLSRN wrote:

> | I am here and you can get me to test it. Tell me what you want me to

> | do. Gin

>

> Well, (turn on DrWatson now, but) best finish up with Terhune in all

> threads first, I think-- I'd rather he battle with MEB than me! He isn't

> quite as mellow as he had once become anymore! After that, as I posted

> elsewhere...

>

> I wouldn't necessarily give up on the avast! proxy yet.

>

> (a) Was it working until you set something in Belkin?

> (b) Can you remember anything more about the fatal exception,

> like did it mention any programs & what was the last thing

> you clicked before it happened?

> © Did you ever have one like that before setting avast!'s proxy?

>

> To get a bit more diagnostic info about such crashes...

>

> "START button, Run, DRWATSON";

> now, D-Clk it's button in the Tray.

>

> What diagnosis is on the first tab? Copy/paste it's contents,

> using the menu. Close DrWatson, but leave it in the Tray. It sits

> waiting for a crash, then traps it, putting info into the Diagnosis tab.

>

> (a) "START button, Find, F/F, DrWatson.exe".

> (Should be in "C:\Windows".)

> (b) R-Clk it, point to "Send to" & click "Desktop (Create shortcut)".

> © R-Clk the shortcut on the Desktop, & select "Cut".

> (d) Open Explorer to "C:\WINDOWS\Start Menu\Programs\StartUp"

> (e) R-Clk in the R-Pane, & select "Paste".

>

> Now, it will always boot to the Tray, waiting for a crash or a D-Clk.

> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=275481

> How to troubleshoot program faults with DrWatson