Cannot shut down Windows 98

May 23, 2008

I have installed Windows 98SE on a Supermicro P6SBU motherboard. When

I go to shut down windows, the screen displays the usual "It's now

safe to turn off your computer" message (I can't remember the exact

wording), but the PC's power remains on. If I then turn off the PSU

power button, the PC momentarily makes a squeeking sound as if I have

stepped on a small rodent, then all is quiet and the PC finally stops.

Ideally, I would like the power to the PC stopped when I shut down

windows using the usual Start button / Shut down method.

Any thoughts please? Thank you, best regards, Robert.

May 23, 2008

Re: Cannot shut down Windows 98

http://www.aumha.org/win4/a/shutdown.htm

regards, Richard

"rpgs rock dvds" <rpgsrockdvds@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message

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>I have installed Windows 98SE on a Supermicro P6SBU motherboard. When

> I go to shut down windows, the screen displays the usual "It's now

> safe to turn off your computer" message (I can't remember the exact

> wording), but the PC's power remains on. If I then turn off the PSU

> power button, the PC momentarily makes a squeeking sound as if I have

> stepped on a small rodent, then all is quiet and the PC finally stops.

>

> Ideally, I would like the power to the PC stopped when I shut down

> windows using the usual Start button / Shut down method.

>

> Any thoughts please? Thank you, best regards, Robert.

May 23, 2008

Re: Cannot shut down Windows 98

On 23 May, 13:15, "RJK" <nos...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> http://www.aumha.org/win4/a/shutdown.htm

>

> regards, Richard

>

> "rpgs rock dvds" <rpgsrockd...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in messagenews:9e8e763e-ddc8-471a-99c6-d7fd39395264@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...

>

> >I have installed Windows 98SE on a Supermicro P6SBU motherboard. When

> > I go to shut down windows, the screen displays the usual "It's now

> > safe to turn off your computer" message (I can't remember the exact

> > wording), but the PC's power remains on. If I then turn off the PSU

> > power button, the PC momentarily makes a squeeking sound as if I have

> > stepped on a small rodent, then all is quiet and the PC finally stops.

>

> > Ideally, I would like the power to the PC stopped when I shut down

> > windows using the usual Start button / Shut down method.

>

> > Any thoughts please? Thank you, best regards, Robert.- Hide quoted text -

>

> - Show quoted text -

Thank you very much for that link. I have solved the problem. Inside

BIOS, I set APM to enabled. Now when I shut down Windows, the power

stops too. However, when the power does stop, I still hear a squeek

like a gerbil's in pain or something.

May 23, 2008

Re: Cannot shut down Windows 98

> However, when the power does stop, I still hear

> a squeek like a gerbil's in pain or something.

A mechanical 'squeak' - noisy (wearing) fan bearing, as it slows and stops

perhaps? Might only need a drop of light machine oil.

You'll have to open the case to determine exactly from where the noise is

coming then decide a course of action.

Mart

"rpgs rock dvds" <rpgsrockdvds@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message

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On 23 May, 13:15, "RJK" <nos...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> http://www.aumha.org/win4/a/shutdown.htm

>

> regards, Richard

>

> "rpgs rock dvds" <rpgsrockd...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in

> messagenews:9e8e763e-ddc8-471a-99c6-d7fd39395264@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...

>

> >I have installed Windows 98SE on a Supermicro P6SBU motherboard. When

> > I go to shut down windows, the screen displays the usual "It's now

> > safe to turn off your computer" message (I can't remember the exact

> > wording), but the PC's power remains on. If I then turn off the PSU

> > power button, the PC momentarily makes a squeeking sound as if I have

> > stepped on a small rodent, then all is quiet and the PC finally stops.

>

> > Ideally, I would like the power to the PC stopped when I shut down

> > windows using the usual Start button / Shut down method.

>

> > Any thoughts please? Thank you, best regards, Robert.- Hide quoted

> > text -

>

> - Show quoted text -

Thank you very much for that link. I have solved the problem. Inside

BIOS, I set APM to enabled. Now when I shut down Windows, the power

stops too. However, when the power does stop, I still hear a squeek

like a gerbil's in pain or something.

May 23, 2008

Re: Cannot shut down Windows 98

Or a speaker squeek?

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://www.grystmill.com

"Mart" <mart(NoSpam)@nospam.nospam> wrote in message

news:O4B3B6NvIHA.1688@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>> However, when the power does stop, I still hear

>> a squeek like a gerbil's in pain or something.

>

> A mechanical 'squeak' - noisy (wearing) fan bearing, as it slows and

> stops perhaps? Might only need a drop of light machine oil.

>

> You'll have to open the case to determine exactly from where the noise is

> coming then decide a course of action.

>

> Mart

>

> "rpgs rock dvds" <rpgsrockdvds@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message

> news:7457c9c7-9296-414d-9939-dde23412336a@56g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...

> On 23 May, 13:15, "RJK" <nos...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>> http://www.aumha.org/win4/a/shutdown.htm

>>

>> regards, Richard

>>

>> "rpgs rock dvds" <rpgsrockd...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in

>> messagenews:9e8e763e-ddc8-471a-99c6-d7fd39395264@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...

>>

>> >I have installed Windows 98SE on a Supermicro P6SBU motherboard. When

>> > I go to shut down windows, the screen displays the usual "It's now

>> > safe to turn off your computer" message (I can't remember the exact

>> > wording), but the PC's power remains on. If I then turn off the PSU

>> > power button, the PC momentarily makes a squeeking sound as if I have

>> > stepped on a small rodent, then all is quiet and the PC finally stops.

>>

>> > Ideally, I would like the power to the PC stopped when I shut down

>> > windows using the usual Start button / Shut down method.

>>

>> > Any thoughts please? Thank you, best regards, Robert.- Hide quoted

>> > text -

>>

>> - Show quoted text -

>

> Thank you very much for that link. I have solved the problem. Inside

> BIOS, I set APM to enabled. Now when I shut down Windows, the power

> stops too. However, when the power does stop, I still hear a squeek

> like a gerbil's in pain or something.

>

May 23, 2008

Re: Cannot shut down Windows 98

On 23 May, 15:08, "Mart" <mart(NoSpam)@nospam.nospam> wrote:

> > However, when the power does stop, I still hear

> > a squeek like a gerbil's in pain or something.

>

> A mechanical 'squeak' - noisy (wearing) fan bearing, as it slows and stops

> perhaps? Might only need a drop of light machine oil.

>

> You'll have to open the case to determine exactly from where the noise is

> coming then decide a course of action.

>

> Mart

>

> "rpgs rock dvds" <rpgsrockd...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in messagenews:7457c9c7-9296-414d-9939-dde23412336a@56g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...

> On 23 May, 13:15, "RJK" <nos...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>

> >http://www.aumha.org/win4/a/shutdown.htm

>

> > regards, Richard

>

> > "rpgs rock dvds" <rpgsrockd...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in

> > messagenews:9e8e763e-ddc8-471a-99c6-d7fd39395264@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...

>

> > >I have installed Windows 98SE on a Supermicro P6SBU motherboard. When

> > > I go to shut down windows, the screen displays the usual "It's now

> > > safe to turn off your computer" message (I can't remember the exact

> > > wording), but the PC's power remains on. If I then turn off the PSU

> > > power button, the PC momentarily makes a squeeking sound as if I have

> > > stepped on a small rodent, then all is quiet and the PC finally stops.

>

> > > Ideally, I would like the power to the PC stopped when I shut down

> > > windows using the usual Start button / Shut down method.

>

> > > Any thoughts please? Thank you, best regards, Robert.- Hide quoted

> > > text -

>

> > - Show quoted text -

>

> Thank you very much for that link. I have solved the problem. Inside

> BIOS, I set APM to enabled. Now when I shut down Windows, the power

> stops too. However, when the power does stop, I still hear a squeek

> like a gerbil's in pain or something.- Hide quoted text -

>

> - Show quoted text -

I think the noise is coming from the pentium 3 heatsink Fan. It's

quite a loud and sudden noise. I will at some stage change it as it's

too loud when in normal operation anyway.

>>Or a speaker squeek?

There is no speaker attached to this mobo or case ATM.

May 23, 2008

Re: Cannot shut down Windows 98

Yes Gary and Robert, I did wonder about the speaker - but on shutdown?

Usually at POST.

However,

> I think the noise is coming from the pentium 3 heatsink Fan.

Needs very urgent attention! In spite of rising oil costs ($135 a barrel?)

one drop would be a lot cheaper than a new cpu <g>

Mart

"rpgs rock dvds" <rpgsrockdvds@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message

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On 23 May, 15:08, "Mart" <mart(NoSpam)@nospam.nospam> wrote:

> > However, when the power does stop, I still hear

> > a squeek like a gerbil's in pain or something.

>

> A mechanical 'squeak' - noisy (wearing) fan bearing, as it slows and stops

> perhaps? Might only need a drop of light machine oil.

>

> You'll have to open the case to determine exactly from where the noise is

> coming then decide a course of action.

>

> Mart

>

> "rpgs rock dvds" <rpgsrockd...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in

> messagenews:7457c9c7-9296-414d-9939-dde23412336a@56g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...

> On 23 May, 13:15, "RJK" <nos...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>

> >http://www.aumha.org/win4/a/shutdown.htm

>

> > regards, Richard

>

> > "rpgs rock dvds" <rpgsrockd...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in

> > messagenews:9e8e763e-ddc8-471a-99c6-d7fd39395264@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...

>

> > >I have installed Windows 98SE on a Supermicro P6SBU motherboard. When

> > > I go to shut down windows, the screen displays the usual "It's now

> > > safe to turn off your computer" message (I can't remember the exact

> > > wording), but the PC's power remains on. If I then turn off the PSU

> > > power button, the PC momentarily makes a squeeking sound as if I have

> > > stepped on a small rodent, then all is quiet and the PC finally stops.

>

> > > Ideally, I would like the power to the PC stopped when I shut down

> > > windows using the usual Start button / Shut down method.

>

> > > Any thoughts please? Thank you, best regards, Robert.- Hide quoted

> > > text -

>

> > - Show quoted text -

>

> Thank you very much for that link. I have solved the problem. Inside

> BIOS, I set APM to enabled. Now when I shut down Windows, the power

> stops too. However, when the power does stop, I still hear a squeek

> like a gerbil's in pain or something.- Hide quoted text -

>

> - Show quoted text -

I think the noise is coming from the pentium 3 heatsink Fan. It's

quite a loud and sudden noise. I will at some stage change it as it's

too loud when in normal operation anyway.

>>Or a speaker squeek?

There is no speaker attached to this mobo or case ATM.

May 23, 2008

Re: Cannot shut down Windows 98

If you have a fan going bad, change it NOW! Especially a CPU fan! Do you

think that thing will work perfectly, despite the noise, and keep your CPU

within acceptable temp ranges? From what you describe, it sounds like it's

at about 1/2 efficiency now. If you wait until it quits, you're going to be

replacing the CPU, also.

In any case, any fan that's going on the blink is a source of power

variations that might affect other components.

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://www.grystmill.com

"rpgs rock dvds" <rpgsrockdvds@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message

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On 23 May, 15:08, "Mart" <mart(NoSpam)@nospam.nospam> wrote:

> > However, when the power does stop, I still hear

> > a squeek like a gerbil's in pain or something.

>

> A mechanical 'squeak' - noisy (wearing) fan bearing, as it slows and stops

> perhaps? Might only need a drop of light machine oil.

>

> You'll have to open the case to determine exactly from where the noise is

> coming then decide a course of action.

>

> Mart

>

> "rpgs rock dvds" <rpgsrockd...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in

> messagenews:7457c9c7-9296-414d-9939-dde23412336a@56g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...

> On 23 May, 13:15, "RJK" <nos...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>

> >http://www.aumha.org/win4/a/shutdown.htm

>

> > regards, Richard

>

> > "rpgs rock dvds" <rpgsrockd...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in

> > messagenews:9e8e763e-ddc8-471a-99c6-d7fd39395264@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...

>

> > >I have installed Windows 98SE on a Supermicro P6SBU motherboard. When

> > > I go to shut down windows, the screen displays the usual "It's now

> > > safe to turn off your computer" message (I can't remember the exact

> > > wording), but the PC's power remains on. If I then turn off the PSU

> > > power button, the PC momentarily makes a squeeking sound as if I have

> > > stepped on a small rodent, then all is quiet and the PC finally stops.

>

> > > Ideally, I would like the power to the PC stopped when I shut down

> > > windows using the usual Start button / Shut down method.

>

> > > Any thoughts please? Thank you, best regards, Robert.- Hide quoted

> > > text -

>

> > - Show quoted text -

>

> Thank you very much for that link. I have solved the problem. Inside

> BIOS, I set APM to enabled. Now when I shut down Windows, the power

> stops too. However, when the power does stop, I still hear a squeek

> like a gerbil's in pain or something.- Hide quoted text -

>

> - Show quoted text -

I think the noise is coming from the pentium 3 heatsink Fan. It's

quite a loud and sudden noise. I will at some stage change it as it's

too loud when in normal operation anyway.

>>Or a speaker squeek?

There is no speaker attached to this mobo or case ATM.

May 23, 2008

Re: Cannot shut down Windows 98

You're saying to oil the fan? No, the thing to do is to replace it. Don't

want no stinkin' oil spraying around inside a computer case. Besides, it

would immediately start collecting dust like mad. Not good for a cooling

system.

In any case, if it's making a ton of noise now, it's shot, and oil would

only help for a few minutes.

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://www.grystmill.com

"Mart" <mart(NoSpam)@nospam.nospam> wrote in message

news:OdJmJAPvIHA.1504@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> Yes Gary and Robert, I did wonder about the speaker - but on shutdown?

> Usually at POST.

>

> However,

>

>> I think the noise is coming from the pentium 3 heatsink Fan.

>

> Needs very urgent attention! In spite of rising oil costs ($135 a

> barrel?) one drop would be a lot cheaper than a new cpu <g>

>

> Mart

>

> "rpgs rock dvds" <rpgsrockdvds@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message

> news:15d889a2-5e00-4fd5-ae3e-f50742524486@k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com...

> On 23 May, 15:08, "Mart" <mart(NoSpam)@nospam.nospam> wrote:

>> > However, when the power does stop, I still hear

>> > a squeek like a gerbil's in pain or something.

>>

>> A mechanical 'squeak' - noisy (wearing) fan bearing, as it slows and

>> stops

>> perhaps? Might only need a drop of light machine oil.

>>

>> You'll have to open the case to determine exactly from where the noise is

>> coming then decide a course of action.

>>

>> Mart

>>

>> "rpgs rock dvds" <rpgsrockd...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in

>> messagenews:7457c9c7-9296-414d-9939-dde23412336a@56g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...

>> On 23 May, 13:15, "RJK" <nos...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>>

>> >http://www.aumha.org/win4/a/shutdown.htm

>>

>> > regards, Richard

>>

>> > "rpgs rock dvds" <rpgsrockd...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in

>> > messagenews:9e8e763e-ddc8-471a-99c6-d7fd39395264@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...

>>

>> > >I have installed Windows 98SE on a Supermicro P6SBU motherboard. When

>> > > I go to shut down windows, the screen displays the usual "It's now

>> > > safe to turn off your computer" message (I can't remember the exact

>> > > wording), but the PC's power remains on. If I then turn off the PSU

>> > > power button, the PC momentarily makes a squeeking sound as if I have

>> > > stepped on a small rodent, then all is quiet and the PC finally

>> > > stops.

>>

>> > > Ideally, I would like the power to the PC stopped when I shut down

>> > > windows using the usual Start button / Shut down method.

>>

>> > > Any thoughts please? Thank you, best regards, Robert.- Hide quoted

>> > > text -

>>

>> > - Show quoted text -

>>

>> Thank you very much for that link. I have solved the problem. Inside

>> BIOS, I set APM to enabled. Now when I shut down Windows, the power

>> stops too. However, when the power does stop, I still hear a squeek

>> like a gerbil's in pain or something.- Hide quoted text -

>>

>> - Show quoted text -

>

> I think the noise is coming from the pentium 3 heatsink Fan. It's

> quite a loud and sudden noise. I will at some stage change it as it's

> too loud when in normal operation anyway.

>

>>>Or a speaker squeek?

>

> There is no speaker attached to this mobo or case ATM.

>

May 23, 2008

Re: Cannot shut down Windows 98

Although I certainly wouldn't disagree with your suggestion of changing the

fan which is THE ONLY long term solution, it's the shorter term (like now!)

I was concerned about. A careful application - and you don't have to be an

instrument mechanic - of one drop of oil on each bearing (not the fan

blades!) would be far safer than letting the thing scream itself to death -

and take the cpu with it. Or better still, turn the machine off until a

replacement fan can be obtained (or fitted by a technician).

Mart

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

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> You're saying to oil the fan? No, the thing to do is to replace it. Don't

> want no stinkin' oil spraying around inside a computer case. Besides, it

> would immediately start collecting dust like mad. Not good for a cooling

> system.

>

> In any case, if it's making a ton of noise now, it's shot, and oil would

> only help for a few minutes.

>

> --

> Gary S. Terhune

> MS-MVP Shell/User

> http://www.grystmill.com

>

> "Mart" <mart(NoSpam)@nospam.nospam> wrote in message

> news:OdJmJAPvIHA.1504@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>> Yes Gary and Robert, I did wonder about the speaker - but on shutdown?

>> Usually at POST.

>>

>> However,

>>

>>> I think the noise is coming from the pentium 3 heatsink Fan.

>>

>> Needs very urgent attention! In spite of rising oil costs ($135 a

>> barrel?) one drop would be a lot cheaper than a new cpu <g>

>>

>> Mart

>>

>> "rpgs rock dvds" <rpgsrockdvds@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message

>> news:15d889a2-5e00-4fd5-ae3e-f50742524486@k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com...

>> On 23 May, 15:08, "Mart" <mart(NoSpam)@nospam.nospam> wrote:

>>> > However, when the power does stop, I still hear

>>> > a squeek like a gerbil's in pain or something.

>>>

>>> A mechanical 'squeak' - noisy (wearing) fan bearing, as it slows and

>>> stops

>>> perhaps? Might only need a drop of light machine oil.

>>>

>>> You'll have to open the case to determine exactly from where the noise

>>> is

>>> coming then decide a course of action.

>>>

>>> Mart

>>>

>>> "rpgs rock dvds" <rpgsrockd...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in

>>> messagenews:7457c9c7-9296-414d-9939-dde23412336a@56g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...

>>> On 23 May, 13:15, "RJK" <nos...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>>>

>>> >http://www.aumha.org/win4/a/shutdown.htm

>>>

>>> > regards, Richard

>>>

>>> > "rpgs rock dvds" <rpgsrockd...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in

>>> > messagenews:9e8e763e-ddc8-471a-99c6-d7fd39395264@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...

>>>

>>> > >I have installed Windows 98SE on a Supermicro P6SBU motherboard. When

>>> > > I go to shut down windows, the screen displays the usual "It's now

>>> > > safe to turn off your computer" message (I can't remember the exact

>>> > > wording), but the PC's power remains on. If I then turn off the PSU

>>> > > power button, the PC momentarily makes a squeeking sound as if I

>>> > > have

>>> > > stepped on a small rodent, then all is quiet and the PC finally

>>> > > stops.

>>>

>>> > > Ideally, I would like the power to the PC stopped when I shut down

>>> > > windows using the usual Start button / Shut down method.

>>>

>>> > > Any thoughts please? Thank you, best regards, Robert.- Hide quoted

>>> > > text -

>>>

>>> > - Show quoted text -

>>>

>>> Thank you very much for that link. I have solved the problem. Inside

>>> BIOS, I set APM to enabled. Now when I shut down Windows, the power

>>> stops too. However, when the power does stop, I still hear a squeek

>>> like a gerbil's in pain or something.- Hide quoted text -

>>>

>>> - Show quoted text -

>>

>> I think the noise is coming from the pentium 3 heatsink Fan. It's

>> quite a loud and sudden noise. I will at some stage change it as it's

>> too loud when in normal operation anyway.

>>

>>>>Or a speaker squeek?

>>

>> There is no speaker attached to this mobo or case ATM.

>>

>

May 23, 2008

Re: Cannot shut down Windows 98

Have you ever actually done such a thing? I just went and looked at my

dozens of dead fans and my stock of replacement fans, and only in the

highest end fans (Thermaltake) did I even find anywhere to put any oil (yes,

I lifted the labels.)

But here was my initial logic:

Just can't see even getting an oil dispenser anywhere near the insides of a

computer case. The chances of disaster are just too great. So the next thing

would be to remove the fan first... Your last sentence was the correct one.

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://www.grystmill.com

"Mart" <mart(NoSpam)@nospam.nospam> wrote in message

news:uTTZPlQvIHA.552@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> Although I certainly wouldn't disagree with your suggestion of changing

> the fan which is THE ONLY long term solution, it's the shorter term (like

> now!) I was concerned about. A careful application - and you don't have to

> be an instrument mechanic - of one drop of oil on each bearing (not the

> fan blades!) would be far safer than letting the thing scream itself to

> death - and take the cpu with it. Or better still, turn the machine off

> until a replacement fan can be obtained (or fitted by a technician).

>

> Mart

>

> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

> news:uP1drIPvIHA.420@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>> You're saying to oil the fan? No, the thing to do is to replace it. Don't

>> want no stinkin' oil spraying around inside a computer case. Besides, it

>> would immediately start collecting dust like mad. Not good for a cooling

>> system.

>>

>> In any case, if it's making a ton of noise now, it's shot, and oil would

>> only help for a few minutes.

>>

>> --

>> Gary S. Terhune

>> MS-MVP Shell/User

>> http://www.grystmill.com

>>

>> "Mart" <mart(NoSpam)@nospam.nospam> wrote in message

>> news:OdJmJAPvIHA.1504@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>> Yes Gary and Robert, I did wonder about the speaker - but on shutdown?

>>> Usually at POST.

>>>

>>> However,

>>>

>>>> I think the noise is coming from the pentium 3 heatsink Fan.

>>>

>>> Needs very urgent attention! In spite of rising oil costs ($135 a

>>> barrel?) one drop would be a lot cheaper than a new cpu <g>

>>>

>>> Mart

>>>

>>> "rpgs rock dvds" <rpgsrockdvds@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message

>>> news:15d889a2-5e00-4fd5-ae3e-f50742524486@k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com...

>>> On 23 May, 15:08, "Mart" <mart(NoSpam)@nospam.nospam> wrote:

>>>> > However, when the power does stop, I still hear

>>>> > a squeek like a gerbil's in pain or something.

>>>>

>>>> A mechanical 'squeak' - noisy (wearing) fan bearing, as it slows and

>>>> stops

>>>> perhaps? Might only need a drop of light machine oil.

>>>>

>>>> You'll have to open the case to determine exactly from where the noise

>>>> is

>>>> coming then decide a course of action.

>>>>

>>>> Mart

>>>>

>>>> "rpgs rock dvds" <rpgsrockd...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in

>>>> messagenews:7457c9c7-9296-414d-9939-dde23412336a@56g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...

>>>> On 23 May, 13:15, "RJK" <nos...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>>>>

>>>> >http://www.aumha.org/win4/a/shutdown.htm

>>>>

>>>> > regards, Richard

>>>>

>>>> > "rpgs rock dvds" <rpgsrockd...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in

>>>> > messagenews:9e8e763e-ddc8-471a-99c6-d7fd39395264@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...

>>>>

>>>> > >I have installed Windows 98SE on a Supermicro P6SBU motherboard.

>>>> > >When

>>>> > > I go to shut down windows, the screen displays the usual "It's now

>>>> > > safe to turn off your computer" message (I can't remember the exact

>>>> > > wording), but the PC's power remains on. If I then turn off the PSU

>>>> > > power button, the PC momentarily makes a squeeking sound as if I

>>>> > > have

>>>> > > stepped on a small rodent, then all is quiet and the PC finally

>>>> > > stops.

>>>>

>>>> > > Ideally, I would like the power to the PC stopped when I shut down

>>>> > > windows using the usual Start button / Shut down method.

>>>>

>>>> > > Any thoughts please? Thank you, best regards, Robert.- Hide quoted

>>>> > > text -

>>>>

>>>> > - Show quoted text -

>>>>

>>>> Thank you very much for that link. I have solved the problem. Inside

>>>> BIOS, I set APM to enabled. Now when I shut down Windows, the power

>>>> stops too. However, when the power does stop, I still hear a squeek

>>>> like a gerbil's in pain or something.- Hide quoted text -

>>>>

>>>> - Show quoted text -

>>>

>>> I think the noise is coming from the pentium 3 heatsink Fan. It's

>>> quite a loud and sudden noise. I will at some stage change it as it's

>>> too loud when in normal operation anyway.

>>>

>>>>>Or a speaker squeek?

>>>

>>> There is no speaker attached to this mobo or case ATM.

>>>

>>

>

May 23, 2008

Re: Cannot shut down Windows 98

Actually Gary, I do the fan oiling as part of yearly or sooner maintenance

on the systems which I service or serviced. At that time I also replace the

heatsink compounds and other that also may decay. Its also done on *any* box

which I work on.

Looking under the label, one generally finds what looks like a washer

around the fan stub/spindle. Its actually a split fiber ring which can be

*carefully* spread [making sure it doesn't fly off to oblivion its so

small], then light 10 weight oil [sewing machine or other] is applied to the

oilite bushes and the fan blades cleaned then re-assembled. While the heat

sink [talking CPU or other removable] is removed, I clean that with alcohol

or other light solvent, re-assembly everything using something like Arctic

Silver to replace the heat sink compound, and its good for another year [or

less in a hostile environment like smoking or industrial]..

While the case is open, I use a sweeper hosed extension [not overly close

to the area] and a mascara brush to clean the dust from the board, air

supply openings, power supply, and other. I also wiggle the installed

adapter cards and memory modules carefully to re-set them [corrosion loss

prevention] and check everything after done, like the cabling, power

connections, etc...

Its called preventive maintenance [grin]..

--

MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

--

_________

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

news:OdihyvQvIHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

| Have you ever actually done such a thing? I just went and looked at my

| dozens of dead fans and my stock of replacement fans, and only in the

| highest end fans (Thermaltake) did I even find anywhere to put any oil

(yes,

| I lifted the labels.)

|

| But here was my initial logic:

| Just can't see even getting an oil dispenser anywhere near the insides of

a

| computer case. The chances of disaster are just too great. So the next

thing

| would be to remove the fan first... Your last sentence was the correct

one.

|

| --

| Gary S. Terhune

| MS-MVP Shell/User

| http://www.grystmill.com

|

| "Mart" <mart(NoSpam)@nospam.nospam> wrote in message

| news:uTTZPlQvIHA.552@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

| > Although I certainly wouldn't disagree with your suggestion of changing

| > the fan which is THE ONLY long term solution, it's the shorter term

(like

| > now!) I was concerned about. A careful application - and you don't have

to

| > be an instrument mechanic - of one drop of oil on each bearing (not the

| > fan blades!) would be far safer than letting the thing scream itself to

| > death - and take the cpu with it. Or better still, turn the machine off

| > until a replacement fan can be obtained (or fitted by a technician).

| >

| > Mart

| >

| > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

| > news:uP1drIPvIHA.420@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

| >> You're saying to oil the fan? No, the thing to do is to replace it.

Don't

| >> want no stinkin' oil spraying around inside a computer case. Besides,

it

| >> would immediately start collecting dust like mad. Not good for a

cooling

| >> system.

| >>

| >> In any case, if it's making a ton of noise now, it's shot, and oil

would

| >> only help for a few minutes.

| >>

| >> --

| >> Gary S. Terhune

| >> MS-MVP Shell/User

| >> http://www.grystmill.com

| >>

| >> "Mart" <mart(NoSpam)@nospam.nospam> wrote in message

| >> news:OdJmJAPvIHA.1504@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

| >>> Yes Gary and Robert, I did wonder about the speaker - but on shutdown?

| >>> Usually at POST.

| >>>

| >>> However,

| >>>

| >>>> I think the noise is coming from the pentium 3 heatsink Fan.

| >>>

| >>> Needs very urgent attention! In spite of rising oil costs ($135 a

| >>> barrel?) one drop would be a lot cheaper than a new cpu <g>

| >>>

| >>> Mart

| >>>

| >>> "rpgs rock dvds" <rpgsrockdvds@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message

| >>>

news:15d889a2-5e00-4fd5-ae3e-f50742524486@k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com...

| >>> On 23 May, 15:08, "Mart" <mart(NoSpam)@nospam.nospam> wrote:

| >>>> > However, when the power does stop, I still hear

| >>>> > a squeek like a gerbil's in pain or something.

| >>>>

| >>>> A mechanical 'squeak' - noisy (wearing) fan bearing, as it slows and

| >>>> stops

| >>>> perhaps? Might only need a drop of light machine oil.

| >>>>

| >>>> You'll have to open the case to determine exactly from where the

noise

| >>>> is

| >>>> coming then decide a course of action.

| >>>>

| >>>> Mart

| >>>>

| >>>> "rpgs rock dvds" <rpgsrockd...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in

| >>>>

messagenews:7457c9c7-9296-414d-9939-dde23412336a@56g2000hsm.googlegroups.com

....

| >>>> On 23 May, 13:15, "RJK" <nos...@hotmail.com> wrote:

| >>>>

| >>>> >http://www.aumha.org/win4/a/shutdown.htm

| >>>>

| >>>> > regards, Richard

| >>>>

| >>>> > "rpgs rock dvds" <rpgsrockd...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in

| >>>> >

messagenews:9e8e763e-ddc8-471a-99c6-d7fd39395264@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.co

m...

| >>>>

| >>>> > >I have installed Windows 98SE on a Supermicro P6SBU motherboard.

| >>>> > >When

| >>>> > > I go to shut down windows, the screen displays the usual "It's

now

| >>>> > > safe to turn off your computer" message (I can't remember the

exact

| >>>> > > wording), but the PC's power remains on. If I then turn off the

PSU

| >>>> > > power button, the PC momentarily makes a squeeking sound as if I

| >>>> > > have

| >>>> > > stepped on a small rodent, then all is quiet and the PC finally

| >>>> > > stops.

| >>>>

| >>>> > > Ideally, I would like the power to the PC stopped when I shut

down

| >>>> > > windows using the usual Start button / Shut down method.

| >>>>

| >>>> > > Any thoughts please? Thank you, best regards, Robert.- Hide

quoted

| >>>> > > text -

| >>>>

| >>>> > - Show quoted text -

| >>>>

| >>>> Thank you very much for that link. I have solved the problem. Inside

| >>>> BIOS, I set APM to enabled. Now when I shut down Windows, the power

| >>>> stops too. However, when the power does stop, I still hear a squeek

| >>>> like a gerbil's in pain or something.- Hide quoted text -

| >>>>

| >>>> - Show quoted text -

| >>>

| >>> I think the noise is coming from the pentium 3 heatsink Fan. It's

| >>> quite a loud and sudden noise. I will at some stage change it as it's

| >>> too loud when in normal operation anyway.

| >>>

| >>>>>Or a speaker squeek?

| >>>

| >>> There is no speaker attached to this mobo or case ATM.

| >>>

| >>

| >

|

May 23, 2008

Re: Cannot shut down Windows 98

As I said, I found that some can be oiled and some can't. Regardless, the

fan in discussion is shot and needs replacing. Preferably with a

high-quality replacement, not a cheap sleeve-bearing POS.

I also practice maintenance, but I'm not recommending it to anyone at the

consumer level. Especially when dealing with heatsinks and grease and CPUs

and their pins. They either already know what they're doing, and know the

risks they're taking, or they don't. And while I, too, use the exhaust from

a vacuum cleaner to blow out the case, we're both fools to do so and you

know it, or should.

I don't know about elsewhere, but the consumer-level economics here are such

that it's more cost effective to run a machine until it dies, then get a new

one. Unless you're doing the labor yourself, "maintenance" costs quickly eat

up any other savings. Only if the owner were ready to buy a new machine,

anyway, and wants to have a "learning experience", would I even approach the

subject.

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://www.grystmill.com

"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:enbQF$QvIHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> Actually Gary, I do the fan oiling as part of yearly or sooner maintenance

> on the systems which I service or serviced. At that time I also replace

> the

> heatsink compounds and other that also may decay. Its also done on *any*

> box

> which I work on.

>

> Looking under the label, one generally finds what looks like a washer

> around the fan stub/spindle. Its actually a split fiber ring which can be

> *carefully* spread [making sure it doesn't fly off to oblivion its so

> small], then light 10 weight oil [sewing machine or other] is applied to

> the

> oilite bushes and the fan blades cleaned then re-assembled. While the heat

> sink [talking CPU or other removable] is removed, I clean that with

> alcohol

> or other light solvent, re-assembly everything using something like Arctic

> Silver to replace the heat sink compound, and its good for another year

> [or

> less in a hostile environment like smoking or industrial]..

>

> While the case is open, I use a sweeper hosed extension [not overly close

> to the area] and a mascara brush to clean the dust from the board, air

> supply openings, power supply, and other. I also wiggle the installed

> adapter cards and memory modules carefully to re-set them [corrosion loss

> prevention] and check everything after done, like the cabling, power

> connections, etc...

>

> Its called preventive maintenance [grin]..

>

> --

> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

> --

> _________

>

> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

> news:OdihyvQvIHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> | Have you ever actually done such a thing? I just went and looked at my

> | dozens of dead fans and my stock of replacement fans, and only in the

> | highest end fans (Thermaltake) did I even find anywhere to put any oil

> (yes,

> | I lifted the labels.)

> |

> | But here was my initial logic:

> | Just can't see even getting an oil dispenser anywhere near the insides

> of

> a

> | computer case. The chances of disaster are just too great. So the next

> thing

> | would be to remove the fan first... Your last sentence was the correct

> one.

> |

> | --

> | Gary S. Terhune

> | MS-MVP Shell/User

> | http://www.grystmill.com

> |

> | "Mart" <mart(NoSpam)@nospam.nospam> wrote in message

> | news:uTTZPlQvIHA.552@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> | > Although I certainly wouldn't disagree with your suggestion of

> changing

> | > the fan which is THE ONLY long term solution, it's the shorter term

> (like

> | > now!) I was concerned about. A careful application - and you don't

> have

> to

> | > be an instrument mechanic - of one drop of oil on each bearing (not

> the

> | > fan blades!) would be far safer than letting the thing scream itself

> to

> | > death - and take the cpu with it. Or better still, turn the machine

> off

> | > until a replacement fan can be obtained (or fitted by a technician).

> | >

> | > Mart

> | >

> | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

> | > news:uP1drIPvIHA.420@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> | >> You're saying to oil the fan? No, the thing to do is to replace it.

> Don't

> | >> want no stinkin' oil spraying around inside a computer case. Besides,

> it

> | >> would immediately start collecting dust like mad. Not good for a

> cooling

> | >> system.

> | >>

> | >> In any case, if it's making a ton of noise now, it's shot, and oil

> would

> | >> only help for a few minutes.

> | >>

> | >> --

> | >> Gary S. Terhune

> | >> MS-MVP Shell/User

> | >> http://www.grystmill.com

> | >>

> | >> "Mart" <mart(NoSpam)@nospam.nospam> wrote in message

> | >> news:OdJmJAPvIHA.1504@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> | >>> Yes Gary and Robert, I did wonder about the speaker - but on

> shutdown?

> | >>> Usually at POST.

> | >>>

> | >>> However,

> | >>>

> | >>>> I think the noise is coming from the pentium 3 heatsink Fan.

> | >>>

> | >>> Needs very urgent attention! In spite of rising oil costs ($135 a

> | >>> barrel?) one drop would be a lot cheaper than a new cpu <g>

> | >>>

> | >>> Mart

> | >>>

> | >>> "rpgs rock dvds" <rpgsrockdvds@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message

> | >>>

> news:15d889a2-5e00-4fd5-ae3e-f50742524486@k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com...

> | >>> On 23 May, 15:08, "Mart" <mart(NoSpam)@nospam.nospam> wrote:

> | >>>> > However, when the power does stop, I still hear

> | >>>> > a squeek like a gerbil's in pain or something.

> | >>>>

> | >>>> A mechanical 'squeak' - noisy (wearing) fan bearing, as it slows

> and

> | >>>> stops

> | >>>> perhaps? Might only need a drop of light machine oil.

> | >>>>

> | >>>> You'll have to open the case to determine exactly from where the

> noise

> | >>>> is

> | >>>> coming then decide a course of action.

> | >>>>

> | >>>> Mart

> | >>>>

> | >>>> "rpgs rock dvds" <rpgsrockd...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in

> | >>>>

> messagenews:7457c9c7-9296-414d-9939-dde23412336a@56g2000hsm.googlegroups.com

> ...

> | >>>> On 23 May, 13:15, "RJK" <nos...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> | >>>>

> | >>>> >http://www.aumha.org/win4/a/shutdown.htm

> | >>>>

> | >>>> > regards, Richard

> | >>>>

> | >>>> > "rpgs rock dvds" <rpgsrockd...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in

> | >>>> >

> messagenews:9e8e763e-ddc8-471a-99c6-d7fd39395264@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.co

> m...

> | >>>>

> | >>>> > >I have installed Windows 98SE on a Supermicro P6SBU motherboard.

> | >>>> > >When

> | >>>> > > I go to shut down windows, the screen displays the usual "It's

> now

> | >>>> > > safe to turn off your computer" message (I can't remember the

> exact

> | >>>> > > wording), but the PC's power remains on. If I then turn off the

> PSU

> | >>>> > > power button, the PC momentarily makes a squeeking sound as if

> I

> | >>>> > > have

> | >>>> > > stepped on a small rodent, then all is quiet and the PC finally

> | >>>> > > stops.

> | >>>>

> | >>>> > > Ideally, I would like the power to the PC stopped when I shut

> down

> | >>>> > > windows using the usual Start button / Shut down method.

> | >>>>

> | >>>> > > Any thoughts please? Thank you, best regards, Robert.- Hide

> quoted

> | >>>> > > text -

> | >>>>

> | >>>> > - Show quoted text -

> | >>>>

> | >>>> Thank you very much for that link. I have solved the problem.

> Inside

> | >>>> BIOS, I set APM to enabled. Now when I shut down Windows, the power

> | >>>> stops too. However, when the power does stop, I still hear a squeek

> | >>>> like a gerbil's in pain or something.- Hide quoted text -

> | >>>>

> | >>>> - Show quoted text -

> | >>>

> | >>> I think the noise is coming from the pentium 3 heatsink Fan. It's

> | >>> quite a loud and sudden noise. I will at some stage change it as

> it's

> | >>> too loud when in normal operation anyway.

> | >>>

> | >>>>>Or a speaker squeek?

> | >>>

> | >>> There is no speaker attached to this mobo or case ATM.

> | >>>

> | >>

> | >

> |

>

May 24, 2008

Re: Cannot shut down Windows 98

On 23 May, 13:11, rpgs rock dvds <rpgsrockd...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

> I have installed Windows 98SE on a Supermicro P6SBU motherboard. When

> I go to shut down windows, the screen displays the usual "It's now

> safe to turn off your computer" message (I can't remember the exact

> wording), but the PC's power remains on. If I then turn off the PSU

> power button, the PC momentarily makes a squeeking sound as if I have

> stepped on a small rodent, then all is quiet and the PC finally stops.

>

> Ideally, I would like the power to the PC stopped when I shut down

> windows using the usual Start button / Shut down method.

>

> Any thoughts please? Thank you, best regards, Robert.

Thanks very much for everyone's replies.

I have successfully changed the fan for a good one, but very

interestingly the squeek noise when I power off still persists. It's

definitely not the fan. Perhaps there *is* a speaker on this mobo?

(I'm sorry, my ignorance in this matter doesn't help -- what do mobo

speakers look like -- there is some kind of black plastic barrel

shapped object about 1cm in diameter and about 1.5cm tall.)

I also notice on this Supermicro P6SBU motherboard, there's something

called a SCSI terminator enable jumper next to a green lit LED. Is

this power off noise some kind of warning perhaps that power has been

lost to a vital component?

I'm very pleased with the fan change though. My CPU temp is 32c, down

a few degrees, but it's almost soundless. It's a 120cm case fan

pushed up against a Pentium 3 slot 1 heatsink, running at 850rpm.

Looks a bit odd, but seems to do the job.

Best regards, Robert.

May 24, 2008

Re: Cannot shut down Windows 98

"rpgs rock dvds" <rpgsrockdvds@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message

news:5ac2bcba-2260-49ce-bb14-318993c4fcc9@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...

On 23 May, 13:11, rpgs rock dvds <rpgsrockd...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

> I have installed Windows 98SE on a Supermicro P6SBU motherboard. When

> I go to shut down windows, the screen displays the usual "It's now

> safe to turn off your computer" message (I can't remember the exact

> wording), but the PC's power remains on. If I then turn off the PSU

> power button, the PC momentarily makes a squeeking sound as if I have

> stepped on a small rodent, then all is quiet and the PC finally stops.

>

> Ideally, I would like the power to the PC stopped when I shut down

> windows using the usual Start button / Shut down method.

>

> Any thoughts please? Thank you, best regards, Robert.

Thanks very much for everyone's replies.

I have successfully changed the fan for a good one, but very

interestingly the squeek noise when I power off still persists. It's

definitely not the fan. Perhaps there *is* a speaker on this mobo?

(I'm sorry, my ignorance in this matter doesn't help -- what do mobo

speakers look like -- there is some kind of black plastic barrel

shapped object about 1cm in diameter and about 1.5cm tall.)

That's quite an old mobo and yes there is a speaker built in. Depending on

the exact model of the mobo will depend on how you can disable sound from the

speaker. Look for a JF1 jumper/pins on the mobo and set the jumper at 11-12 to

disable the sound from it. If you still hear some type of "gerbil squeak", you

need to listen much more closely inside the box to where the actual sound is

generating from.

I also notice on this Supermicro P6SBU motherboard, there's something

called a SCSI terminator enable jumper next to a green lit LED. Is

this power off noise some kind of warning perhaps that power has been

lost to a vital component?

Is not relevant to your issue.

I'm very pleased with the fan change though. My CPU temp is 32c, down

a few degrees, but it's almost soundless. It's a 120cm case fan

pushed up against a Pentium 3 slot 1 heatsink, running at 850rpm.

Looks a bit odd, but seems to do the job.

It may be the 120mm fan appears to be a cooling plus, yet it may cause more

issues due to the proper circulation of air movement in the case. If it

continues to keep the cpu and the mobo at a cooler temp, then it's a good thing.

If it only keeps the cpu cooler and not the mobo, more issues can/will arise.

--

Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Windows Desktop User Experience }

Conflicts start where information lacks.

http://basconotw.mvps.org/

Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm

How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375

May 24, 2008

Re: Cannot shut down Windows 98

The squeak may be coming from the power supply if not the computer's

speaker.. as recommended, listen carefully with the cover off.

That plastic thing might be the speaker, though unless it has two [or more]

wires running to it, it may not be. It could also be a *case alarm*, which

goes off when high temperatures are noted. IF curious, and it has two or

more wires running to it, trace those wires back to the connection and check

the motherboard or case schematics/diagram/manual.

The SCSI terminator would be used to shut off and/or recognize the

termination of the SCSI channel(s).