After XP SP3 pemanently fragmented files

May 24, 2008

PC= 2.8MHz Celeron + 1GB ram + loads disc space

I have pemanently fragmented files. The defragmentation tool says the

relevant file names are in the report but nothing is listed. Files

defragmented properly prior to SP3 (which was SP2). Coincidence?

The PC is fairly clean. Very little runs at start-up and nothing new

operates compared with the setup with SP2.

--

Regards

Stephen Ford

May 24, 2008

Re: After XP SP3 pemanently fragmented files

Stephen Ford wrote:

> PC= 2.8MHz Celeron + 1GB ram + loads disc space

> I have pemanently fragmented files. The defragmentation tool says the

> relevant file names are in the report but nothing is listed. Files

> defragmented properly prior to SP3 (which was SP2). Coincidence?

>

> The PC is fairly clean. Very little runs at start-up and nothing new

> operates compared with the setup with SP2.

>

Do you have Windows Live Messenger installed?

Alias

May 24, 2008

Re: After XP SP3 pemanently fragmented files

"Stephen Ford" <stephen_ford_NO_@_SPAM_uwclub.net> wrote in message

news:ONfT96YvIHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> PC= 2.8MHz Celeron + 1GB ram + loads disc space

> I have pemanently fragmented files. The defragmentation tool says the

> relevant file names are in the report but nothing is listed. Files

> defragmented properly prior to SP3 (which was SP2). Coincidence?

>

> The PC is fairly clean. Very little runs at start-up and nothing new

> operates compared with the setup with SP2.

>

> --

> Regards

> Stephen Ford

While having all files completely continguous might give you

a warm feeling of satisfaction, having a few fragmentend files

makes no measurable difference on the performance of your

PC - so why worry?

May 24, 2008

Re: After XP SP3 pemanently fragmented files

Stephen

Are you using the Microsoft Disk Defragmenter or a third party

defragmenter.

Can you provide a copy of the Report. Not all fragmented files appear in

the Most Fragmented Files lists!

Open Disk Defragmenter and click on Analyse. Select View Report and

click on Save As and Save. Now find VolumeC.txt in your My Documents

Folder and post a copy. Do this before running Disk Defragmenter as it

is more informative.

--

Hope this helps.

Gerry

~~~~

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Stourport, England

Enquire, plan and execute

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Stephen Ford wrote:

> PC= 2.8MHz Celeron + 1GB ram + loads disc space

> I have pemanently fragmented files. The defragmentation tool says the

> relevant file names are in the report but nothing is listed. Files

> defragmented properly prior to SP3 (which was SP2). Coincidence?

>

> The PC is fairly clean. Very little runs at start-up and nothing new

> operates compared with the setup with SP2.

May 24, 2008

Re: After XP SP3 pemanently fragmented files

Stephen Ford wrote:

> PC= 2.8MHz Celeron + 1GB ram + loads disc space

> I have pemanently fragmented files. The defragmentation tool says the

> relevant file names are in the report but nothing is listed. Files

> defragmented properly prior to SP3 (which was SP2). Coincidence?

>

> The PC is fairly clean. Very little runs at start-up and nothing new

> operates compared with the setup with SP2.

If you're not actually having a problem with the way the computer is

operating then I'd suggest not worrying too much about the defragger

muttering over a couple of files.

May 24, 2008

Re: After XP SP3 pemanently fragmented files

Robert Moir wrote:

> Stephen Ford wrote:

>> PC= 2.8MHz Celeron + 1GB ram + loads disc space

>> I have pemanently fragmented files. The defragmentation tool says the

>> relevant file names are in the report but nothing is listed. Files

>> defragmented properly prior to SP3 (which was SP2). Coincidence?

>>

>> The PC is fairly clean. Very little runs at start-up and nothing new

>> operates compared with the setup with SP2.

>

> If you're not actually having a problem with the way the computer is

> operating then I'd suggest not worrying too much about the defragger

> muttering over a couple of files.

To some people, a fragmented file is like having a set of encyclopedia with

a paperback copy of "Bawdy Tales of King Arthur's Knights" stuck between the

volumes "PQ" and "R".

It's just not seemly.

May 24, 2008

Re: After XP SP3 pemanently fragmented files

HeyBub wrote:

> Robert Moir wrote:

>> Stephen Ford wrote:

>>> PC= 2.8MHz Celeron + 1GB ram + loads disc space

>>> I have pemanently fragmented files. The defragmentation tool says

>>> the relevant file names are in the report but nothing is listed.

>>> Files defragmented properly prior to SP3 (which was SP2).

>>> Coincidence? The PC is fairly clean. Very little runs at start-up and

>>> nothing new

>>> operates compared with the setup with SP2.

>>

>> If you're not actually having a problem with the way the computer is

>> operating then I'd suggest not worrying too much about the defragger

>> muttering over a couple of files.

>

> To some people, a fragmented file is like having a set of

> encyclopedia with a paperback copy of "Bawdy Tales of King Arthur's

> Knights" stuck between the volumes "PQ" and "R".

>

> It's just not seemly.

I understand that some people dislike it, I just don't see why they do!

Life's too short to worry about theoretical problems that don't matter!

May 24, 2008

Re: After XP SP3 pemanently fragmented files

"HeyBub" <heybub@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:eA7aSscvIHA.516@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> Robert Moir wrote:

>> Stephen Ford wrote:

>>> PC= 2.8MHz Celeron + 1GB ram + loads disc space

>>> I have pemanently fragmented files. The defragmentation tool says the

>>> relevant file names are in the report but nothing is listed. Files

>>> defragmented properly prior to SP3 (which was SP2). Coincidence?

>>>

>>> The PC is fairly clean. Very little runs at start-up and nothing new

>>> operates compared with the setup with SP2.

>>

>> If you're not actually having a problem with the way the computer is

>> operating then I'd suggest not worrying too much about the defragger

>> muttering over a couple of files.

>

> To some people, a fragmented file is like having a set of encyclopedia

> with a paperback copy of "Bawdy Tales of King Arthur's Knights" stuck

> between the volumes "PQ" and "R".

>

> It's just not seemly.

If you introduced a tool that could display the physical location

of each file on the the disk then some people would go to extreme

lengths to ensure that all files belonging to a specific folder were

stored on adjacent disk clusters. It would make no difference to

the PC's performance but it would satisfy their sense of tidiness.

As Robert suggested, life is too short to worry about such

irrelevant matters.

May 25, 2008

Re: After XP SP3 pemanently fragmented files

Pegasus (MVP) wrote:

>>

>> To some people, a fragmented file is like having a set of

>> encyclopedia with a paperback copy of "Bawdy Tales of King Arthur's

>> Knights" stuck between the volumes "PQ" and "R".

>>

>> It's just not seemly.

>

> If you introduced a tool that could display the physical location

> of each file on the the disk then some people would go to extreme

> lengths to ensure that all files belonging to a specific folder were

> stored on adjacent disk clusters. It would make no difference to

> the PC's performance but it would satisfy their sense of tidiness.

> As Robert suggested, life is too short to worry about such

> irrelevant matters.

Sounds like an opportunity for a software developer to fill a need...

Imagine: A utility to arrange file locations alphabetically!

May 25, 2008

Re: After XP SP3 pemanently fragmented files

>> If you introduced a tool that could display the physical location

>> of each file on the the disk then some people would go to extreme

>> lengths to ensure that all files belonging to a specific folder were

>> stored on adjacent disk clusters. It would make no difference to

>> the PC's performance but it would satisfy their sense of tidiness.

>> As Robert suggested, life is too short to worry about such

>> irrelevant matters.

>

> Sounds like an opportunity for a software developer to fill a need...

>

> Imagine: A utility to arrange file locations alphabetically!

ROFL!

May 25, 2008

Re: After XP SP3 pemanently fragmented files

Pegasus (MVP) wrote:

>>> If you introduced a tool that could display the physical location

>>> of each file on the the disk then some people would go to extreme

>>> lengths to ensure that all files belonging to a specific folder were

>>> stored on adjacent disk clusters. It would make no difference to

>>> the PC's performance but it would satisfy their sense of tidiness.

>>> As Robert suggested, life is too short to worry about such

>>> irrelevant matters.

>>

>> Sounds like an opportunity for a software developer to fill a need...

>>

>> Imagine: A utility to arrange file locations alphabetically!

>

> ROFL!

Go ahead.

Laugh at those afflicted with Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder!

It's insensitive types like you who see nothing wrong with the absence of

ramps for the disabled at Hogwarts!

Even the top rung of the scaling ladders used in Lord of the Rings were

marked: "This is not a step." (You have to look closely.)

May 26, 2008

Re: After XP SP3 pemanently fragmented files

Did I miss something here? It looks like several levels of discussion passed

by my news reader and disappeared into outer space. All I got is seen below.

If permanently fragmented files are usual, then fine in post-SP2. It's just

I'm not used to seeing them

--

Regards

Stephen Ford

"HeyBub" <heybub@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:emJbsBrvIHA.5584@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> Pegasus (MVP) wrote:

>>>> If you introduced a tool that could display the physical location

>>>> of each file on the the disk then some people would go to extreme

>>>> lengths to ensure that all files belonging to a specific folder were

>>>> stored on adjacent disk clusters. It would make no difference to

>>>> the PC's performance but it would satisfy their sense of tidiness.

>>>> As Robert suggested, life is too short to worry about such

>>>> irrelevant matters.

>>>

>>> Sounds like an opportunity for a software developer to fill a need...

>>>

>>> Imagine: A utility to arrange file locations alphabetically!

>>

>> ROFL!

>

> Go ahead.

>

> Laugh at those afflicted with Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder!

>

> It's insensitive types like you who see nothing wrong with the absence of

> ramps for the disabled at Hogwarts!

>

> Even the top rung of the scaling ladders used in Lord of the Rings were

> marked: "This is not a step." (You have to look closely.)

>

May 26, 2008

Re: After XP SP3 pemanently fragmented files

"Stephen Ford" <stephen_ford_NO_@_SPAM_uwclub.net> wrote in message

news:eiXwy60vIHA.1504@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> Did I miss something here? It looks like several levels of discussion

> passed by my news reader and disappeared into outer space. All I got is

> seen below.

>

> If permanently fragmented files are usual, then fine in post-SP2. It's

> just I'm not used to seeing them

> --

> Regards

> Stephen Ford

>

Yes - you missed most of the fun. Have a look here:

http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us/default.aspx?dg=microsoft.public.windowsxp.general&tid=1523b2a6-3c9e-4bae-b3bb-439c4a903983&cat=&lang=&cr=&sloc=&p=1

May 26, 2008

Re: After XP SP3 pemanently fragmented files

Oh dear, I missed the lot. I'm going to answer as much as I can

<<Do you have Windows Live Messenger installed? >>

yes, but disabled.

<<While having all files completely continguous might give you

a warm feeling of satisfaction, having a few fragmentend files

makes no measurable difference on the performance of your

PC - so why worry?>>

I'm amazed that people are saying that fragmenation makes not difference. I

halved the response time of a laptop recently by defagging and it makes a

noticeable difference to my PC. If what I have always understood

fragmentation to be is still valid, which is bits of a file scattered around

the disc, it can't do anything but slow the machine down. Although I'm ready

to learn...

<<Open Disk Defragmenter and click on Analyse. Select View Report and

click on Save As and Save. Now find VolumeC.txt in your My Documents

Folder and post a copy. Do this before running Disk Defragmenter as it

is more informative. >>

Defragging was done recently. If it's left a week or so there are dozens of

files with 300+ fragments.

Volume (C:)

Volume size = 29.30 GB

Cluster size = 4 KB

Used space = 11.16 GB

Free space = 18.14 GB

Percent free space = 61 %

Volume fragmentation

Total fragmentation = 0 %

File fragmentation = 1 %

Free space fragmentation = 0 %

File fragmentation

Total files = 59,188

Average file size = 288 KB

Total fragmented files = 178

Total excess fragments = 904

Average fragments per file = 1.01

Pagefile fragmentation

Pagefile size = 720 MB

Total fragments = 1

Folder fragmentation

Total folders = 5,576

Fragmented folders = 3

Excess folder fragments = 3

Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation

Total MFT size = 70 MB

MFT record count = 65,130

Percent MFT in use = 90 %

Total MFT fragments = 2

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Fragments File Size Most fragmented files

130 8 MB \Documents and Settings\Office\Local

Settings\Temporary Internet

Files\Content.IE5\22G33NEB\Potterton_Gold_Combi_HE_Installation_and_Service_Instructions[1].pdf

63 3 MB \Documents and Settings\All

Users\Application Data\Microsoft\Windows NT\NTBackup\catalogs51\38BA8544.V01

60 950 KB \System Volume

Information\_restore{5D95AE1E-87A2-4EDF-B4E0-BDB0C9EDAB3F}\RP718\change.log

38 150 KB \Documents and Settings\All

Users\Application Data\McAfee\MCLOGS\MISP\SiteAdv\SiteAdv002.log

37 150 KB \Documents and Settings\All

Users\Application Data\McAfee\MCLOGS\MISP\SiteAdv\SiteAdv000.log

25 1 MB \Documents and Settings\Office\Local

Settings\Temporary Internet

Files\Content.IE5\22G33NEB\Potterton_Gold_Combi_HE_User_Guide[1].pdf

17 154 KB \Documents and Settings\All

Users\Application Data\McAfee\MCLOGS\MISP\mcupdmgr\mcupdmgr001.log

17 65 KB \Documents and Settings\Office\Local

Settings\Temp\WCESCOMM.LOG

12 53 KB \Documents and Settings\All

Users\Application Data\McAfee\MCLOGS\MISP\mcupdmgr\mcupdmgr002.log

10 112 KB \Documents and Settings\Office\Local

Settings\Temp\WCESMgr.log

10 143 KB \Documents and Settings\All

Users\Application Data\McAfee\MCLOGS\MISP\mcmscsvc\mcmscsvc000.log

10 393 KB

\WINDOWS\PCHealth\HelpCtr\DataColl\CollectedData_14284.xml

9 150 KB \Documents and Settings\All

Users\Application Data\McAfee\MCLOGS\MISP\mcnasvc\mcnasvc000.log

9 397 KB \Documents and Settings\Office\My

Documents\FinePrint files\AutoSave\Memo Style_2.fp

9 398 KB \Documents and Settings\Office\My

Documents\FinePrint files\AutoSave\Memo Style_1.fp

8 29 MB \System Volume

Information\_restore{5D95AE1E-87A2-4EDF-B4E0-BDB0C9EDAB3F}\RP718\snapshot\_REGISTRY_MACHINE_SOFTWARE

7 54 KB \WINDOWS\system32\wbem\Logs\wbemess.log

7 213 KB \WINDOWS\Prefetch\Layout.ini

6 213 KB \Documents and Settings\Office\My

Documents\FinePrint files\AutoSave\Memo Style.fp

6 3 MB \Documents and Settings\All

Users\Application Data\McAfee\HackerWatch\data\HwLocal.xdb

6 79 KB \Documents and Settings\All

Users\Application Data\Microsoft\Windows NT\NTBackup\catalogs51\38BA8B9B.V01

6 157 KB

\WINDOWS\PCHealth\HelpCtr\DataColl\CollectedData_14286.xml

6 234 KB \Documents and Settings\Office\My

Documents\FinePrint files\AutoSave\Customer balances Apr 08 at

250508Acquire.fp

5 2 MB \WINDOWS\WindowsUpdate.log

5 100 KB \Documents and Settings\Office\Local

Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\29H92LZU\fragmentStyle[1].css

5 100 KB \Documents and Settings\Office\Local

Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\2GLOWPJO\fragmentStyle[1].css

5 88 KB \Documents and Settings\Office\Local

Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\2GLOWPJO\script[1].js

5 100 KB \Documents and Settings\Office\Local

Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\22G33NEB\fragmentStyle[1].css

5 39 KB \Documents and Settings\Office\Application

Data\Microsoft\Outlook\OutlPrnt

===================

<<If you're not actually having a problem with the way the computer is

operating then I'd suggest not worrying too much about the defragger

muttering over a couple of files. >>

I am concerned that after installing SP3 something changed wrt

defragmentation. I don't like change I can't explain - it makes me nervous.

I've had too much trouble with PCs in times gone by to leave something like

this. If a defragmenter is supposed to defragment and it doesn't there is

something wrong. I want to know *how wrong*. Can I sleep at night or is there

something going to pop up and bite me...?

May 27, 2008

Re: After XP SP3 pemanently fragmented files

"Stephen Ford" <StephenFord@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:67597C52-3884-4ECF-A099-AE5032623F4F@microsoft.com...

> Oh dear, I missed the lot. I'm going to answer as much as I can

>

> <<Do you have Windows Live Messenger installed? >>

> yes, but disabled.

>

> <<While having all files completely continguous might give you

> a warm feeling of satisfaction, having a few fragmentend files

> makes no measurable difference on the performance of your

> PC - so why worry?>>

> I'm amazed that people are saying that fragmenation makes not difference.

> I

> halved the response time of a laptop recently by defagging and it makes a

> noticeable difference to my PC. If what I have always understood

> fragmentation to be is still valid, which is bits of a file scattered

> around

> the disc, it can't do anything but slow the machine down. Although I'm

> ready

> to learn...

*** I said "having a FEW fragmentend files makes no measurable

*** difference". Try to measure the difference - you won't notice

*** anything!

May 27, 2008

Re: After XP SP3 pemanently fragmented files

"Pegasus (MVP)" wrote:

>

> "Stephen Ford" <StephenFord@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:67597C52-3884-4ECF-A099-AE5032623F4F@microsoft.com...

> > Oh dear, I missed the lot. I'm going to answer as much as I can

> >

> > <<Do you have Windows Live Messenger installed? >>

> > yes, but disabled.

> >

> > <<While having all files completely continguous might give you

> > a warm feeling of satisfaction, having a few fragmentend files

> > makes no measurable difference on the performance of your

> > PC - so why worry?>>

> > I'm amazed that people are saying that fragmenation makes not difference.

> > I

> > halved the response time of a laptop recently by defagging and it makes a

> > noticeable difference to my PC. If what I have always understood

> > fragmentation to be is still valid, which is bits of a file scattered

> > around

> > the disc, it can't do anything but slow the machine down. Although I'm

> > ready

> > to learn...

>

> *** I said "having a FEW fragmentend files makes no measurable

> *** difference". Try to measure the difference - you won't notice

> *** anything!

The lap top had dozens of files - maybe hundreds - with 400+ fragments each

on an XP system. My PC has dozens of files >300 fragments after a week.

I would venture to suggest saying about the effects of fragmentation that

there will be a proportionally greater impact on speed when regularly used

files are highly fragmented (eg o/s and db files). I wouldn't expect to see a

difference with a highly fragmented WP or spreadsheet file.

What puzzles me is a note from the defragmenter about files left fragmented.

That just does not seem right, and in the absense of the file names (even

though the warning dialogue says the file names are in the report - but they

are not) I'm stuck for wondering what's going on.

It's like the garage saying "We serviced your car and the diagnostics say

there is a broken wire. The cost of the service is..." So most people I would

I think say, "So... which wire?" with the garage replying "Sorry, the

diagnostics didn't say..." And I feel that Windows is doing that in this case.

May 27, 2008

Re: After XP SP3 pemanently fragmented files

Stephen Ford wrote:

> Oh dear, I missed the lot. I'm going to answer as much as I can

>

> <<Do you have Windows Live Messenger installed? >>

> yes, but disabled.

Doesn't matter. Try doing the defrag in Safe Mode under the

Administrator account and you should be able to see what isn't being

defragged. I have installed Windows Live Messenger on five computers and

all of them had the defrag problem you refer to after installing Windows

Live Messenger. It's ironic that WLM is an MS product.

Alias

>

> <<While having all files completely continguous might give you

> a warm feeling of satisfaction, having a few fragmentend files

> makes no measurable difference on the performance of your

> PC - so why worry?>>

> I'm amazed that people are saying that fragmenation makes not difference. I

> halved the response time of a laptop recently by defagging and it makes a

> noticeable difference to my PC. If what I have always understood

> fragmentation to be is still valid, which is bits of a file scattered around

> the disc, it can't do anything but slow the machine down. Although I'm ready

> to learn...

>

> <<Open Disk Defragmenter and click on Analyse. Select View Report and

> click on Save As and Save. Now find VolumeC.txt in your My Documents

> Folder and post a copy. Do this before running Disk Defragmenter as it

> is more informative. >>

>

> Defragging was done recently. If it's left a week or so there are dozens of

> files with 300+ fragments.

>

> Volume (C:)

> Volume size = 29.30 GB

> Cluster size = 4 KB

> Used space = 11.16 GB

> Free space = 18.14 GB

> Percent free space = 61 %

>

> Volume fragmentation

> Total fragmentation = 0 %

> File fragmentation = 1 %

> Free space fragmentation = 0 %

>

> File fragmentation

> Total files = 59,188

> Average file size = 288 KB

> Total fragmented files = 178

> Total excess fragments = 904

> Average fragments per file = 1.01

>

> Pagefile fragmentation

> Pagefile size = 720 MB

> Total fragments = 1

>

> Folder fragmentation

> Total folders = 5,576

> Fragmented folders = 3

> Excess folder fragments = 3

>

> Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation

> Total MFT size = 70 MB

> MFT record count = 65,130

> Percent MFT in use = 90 %

> Total MFT fragments = 2

>

> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

> Fragments File Size Most fragmented files

> 130 8 MB \Documents and Settings\Office\Local

> Settings\Temporary Internet

> Files\Content.IE5\22G33NEB\Potterton_Gold_Combi_HE_Installation_and_Service_Instructions[1].pdf

> 63 3 MB \Documents and Settings\All

> Users\Application Data\Microsoft\Windows NT\NTBackup\catalogs51\38BA8544.V01

> 60 950 KB \System Volume

> Information\_restore{5D95AE1E-87A2-4EDF-B4E0-BDB0C9EDAB3F}\RP718\change.log

> 38 150 KB \Documents and Settings\All

> Users\Application Data\McAfee\MCLOGS\MISP\SiteAdv\SiteAdv002.log

> 37 150 KB \Documents and Settings\All

> Users\Application Data\McAfee\MCLOGS\MISP\SiteAdv\SiteAdv000.log

> 25 1 MB \Documents and Settings\Office\Local

> Settings\Temporary Internet

> Files\Content.IE5\22G33NEB\Potterton_Gold_Combi_HE_User_Guide[1].pdf

> 17 154 KB \Documents and Settings\All

> Users\Application Data\McAfee\MCLOGS\MISP\mcupdmgr\mcupdmgr001.log

> 17 65 KB \Documents and Settings\Office\Local

> Settings\Temp\WCESCOMM.LOG

> 12 53 KB \Documents and Settings\All

> Users\Application Data\McAfee\MCLOGS\MISP\mcupdmgr\mcupdmgr002.log

> 10 112 KB \Documents and Settings\Office\Local

> Settings\Temp\WCESMgr.log

> 10 143 KB \Documents and Settings\All

> Users\Application Data\McAfee\MCLOGS\MISP\mcmscsvc\mcmscsvc000.log

> 10 393 KB

> \WINDOWS\PCHealth\HelpCtr\DataColl\CollectedData_14284.xml

> 9 150 KB \Documents and Settings\All

> Users\Application Data\McAfee\MCLOGS\MISP\mcnasvc\mcnasvc000.log

> 9 397 KB \Documents and Settings\Office\My

> Documents\FinePrint files\AutoSave\Memo Style_2.fp

> 9 398 KB \Documents and Settings\Office\My

> Documents\FinePrint files\AutoSave\Memo Style_1.fp

> 8 29 MB \System Volume

> Information\_restore{5D95AE1E-87A2-4EDF-B4E0-BDB0C9EDAB3F}\RP718\snapshot\_REGISTRY_MACHINE_SOFTWARE

> 7 54 KB \WINDOWS\system32\wbem\Logs\wbemess.log

> 7 213 KB \WINDOWS\Prefetch\Layout.ini

> 6 213 KB \Documents and Settings\Office\My

> Documents\FinePrint files\AutoSave\Memo Style.fp

> 6 3 MB \Documents and Settings\All

> Users\Application Data\McAfee\HackerWatch\data\HwLocal.xdb

> 6 79 KB \Documents and Settings\All

> Users\Application Data\Microsoft\Windows NT\NTBackup\catalogs51\38BA8B9B.V01

> 6 157 KB

> \WINDOWS\PCHealth\HelpCtr\DataColl\CollectedData_14286.xml

> 6 234 KB \Documents and Settings\Office\My

> Documents\FinePrint files\AutoSave\Customer balances Apr 08 at

> 250508Acquire.fp

> 5 2 MB \WINDOWS\WindowsUpdate.log

> 5 100 KB \Documents and Settings\Office\Local

> Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\29H92LZU\fragmentStyle[1].css

> 5 100 KB \Documents and Settings\Office\Local

> Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\2GLOWPJO\fragmentStyle[1].css

> 5 88 KB \Documents and Settings\Office\Local

> Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\2GLOWPJO\script[1].js

> 5 100 KB \Documents and Settings\Office\Local

> Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\22G33NEB\fragmentStyle[1].css

> 5 39 KB \Documents and Settings\Office\Application

> Data\Microsoft\Outlook\OutlPrnt

> ===================

> <<If you're not actually having a problem with the way the computer is

> operating then I'd suggest not worrying too much about the defragger

> muttering over a couple of files. >>

> I am concerned that after installing SP3 something changed wrt

> defragmentation. I don't like change I can't explain - it makes me nervous.

> I've had too much trouble with PCs in times gone by to leave something like

> this. If a defragmenter is supposed to defragment and it doesn't there is

> something wrong. I want to know *how wrong*. Can I sleep at night or is there

> something going to pop up and bite me...?

May 27, 2008

Re: After XP SP3 pemanently fragmented files

"Alias" wrote:

> Stephen Ford wrote:

> > Oh dear, I missed the lot. I'm going to answer as much as I can

> >

> > <<Do you have Windows Live Messenger installed? >>

> > yes, but disabled.

>

> Doesn't matter. Try doing the defrag in Safe Mode under the

> Administrator account and you should be able to see what isn't being

> defragged. I have installed Windows Live Messenger on five computers and

> all of them had the defrag problem you refer to after installing Windows

> Live Messenger. It's ironic that WLM is an MS product.

Ok I'll try. Thx. S

May 27, 2008

Re: After XP SP3 pemanently fragmented files

Stephen

The reality is that there are so many scenarios that what suits one

situation does not have a significant impact in another. Defragmenting

should not be taken in isolation. You should always run Disk CleanUp (

or cCleaner ) before running Disk Defragmenter. The combination of the

two will have an an impact but it will differ from one system to

another.

A point worth making is that a system which has limited RAM and CPU

capacity may need all the help it can get to achieve an acceptable level

of performance. The percentage improvement will be greater on computers

in this situation than those with plenty of RAM and CPU capacity.

How much RAM and what is the CPU on your system?

Looking at your Disk Defragmenter Report my interpretation is that not a

lot is wrong.

Do you run Disk CleanUp before you run Disk Defragmenter? One limitation

Disk CleanUp has is that to be more effective it needs to be run in each

User Profile where there is more than one user active.

An alternative to Disk CleanUp is cCleaner (freeware) which does a more

thorough job than Disk CleanUp. Disk CleanUp has to be run for each user

profile, whereas cCleaner only needs to be run once.

http://www.ccleaner.com/ccdownload.asp

http://www.ccleaner.com/

With any cleaner you need to proceed with caution. To be safe you

should create a restore point before using cCleaner. cCleaner also

offers backup before removal.

When using cCleaner think twice before checking Autocomplete Form

History under Internet Explorer. You do get a warning but this one has

irritating consequences. You may need to restore your system's

recollection of passwords after use so keep a record off computer so

that they can easily be re-entered.

Leave the Scan for Issues option alone.

cCleaner does not remove restore points. You need to use Disk CleanUp

for this. Select Start, All Programs, Accessories, System Tools, Disk

CleanUp, More Options, System Restore and remove all but the latest

System Restore point.

It is noticeable that you are running McAfee. What version would that

be? You do seem to have a lot of logs running?

Hope this helps.

Gerry

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FCA

Stourport, England

Enquire, plan and execute

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Stephen Ford wrote:

> "Pegasus (MVP)" wrote:

>

>>

>> "Stephen Ford" <StephenFord@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in

>> message news:67597C52-3884-4ECF-A099-AE5032623F4F@microsoft.com...

>>> Oh dear, I missed the lot. I'm going to answer as much as I can

>>>

>>> <<Do you have Windows Live Messenger installed? >>

>>> yes, but disabled.

>>>

>>> <<While having all files completely continguous might give you

>>> a warm feeling of satisfaction, having a few fragmentend files

>>> makes no measurable difference on the performance of your

>>> PC - so why worry?>>

>>> I'm amazed that people are saying that fragmenation makes not

>>> difference. I

>>> halved the response time of a laptop recently by defagging and it

>>> makes a noticeable difference to my PC. If what I have always

>>> understood fragmentation to be is still valid, which is bits of a

>>> file scattered around

>>> the disc, it can't do anything but slow the machine down. Although

>>> I'm ready

>>> to learn...

>>

>> *** I said "having a FEW fragmentend files makes no measurable

>> *** difference". Try to measure the difference - you won't notice

>> *** anything!

>

> The lap top had dozens of files - maybe hundreds - with 400+

> fragments each on an XP system. My PC has dozens of files >300

> fragments after a week.

>

> I would venture to suggest saying about the effects of fragmentation

> that there will be a proportionally greater impact on speed when

> regularly used files are highly fragmented (eg o/s and db files). I

> wouldn't expect to see a difference with a highly fragmented WP or

> spreadsheet file.

>

> What puzzles me is a note from the defragmenter about files left

> fragmented. That just does not seem right, and in the absense of the

> file names (even though the warning dialogue says the file names are

> in the report - but they are not) I'm stuck for wondering what's

> going on.

>

> It's like the garage saying "We serviced your car and the diagnostics

> say there is a broken wire. The cost of the service is..." So most

> people I would I think say, "So... which wire?" with the garage

> replying "Sorry, the diagnostics didn't say..." And I feel that

> Windows is doing that in this case.

May 31, 2008

Re: After XP SP3 pemanently fragmented files

Stephen

Methinks a lot of people have not been taking this issue seriously... I have.

I too had this issue and tried all sorts of methods to rid myself of the

nasty red block to no avail so I thought I'd get a bit drastic having read

various articles on the subject and guess what... I managed to solve it, I

now have a solution for you that works.

Download two programs, both free I hasten to add, Eraser and Ultimate

Defragmenter and run them both in that order. I would add links o them but

it's just as easy to Google them.

Eraser securly wipes the free space on your drive then Ultimate Defragger

does exactly what it says on the packet..... Problem solved.

Hope this helps you... it did me.

And BTW I scanned both programs with A2 Squared and AVG and they're both

clean so no worries there either.

"Stephen Ford" wrote:

>

> "Pegasus (MVP)" wrote:

>

> >

> > "Stephen Ford" <StephenFord@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> > news:67597C52-3884-4ECF-A099-AE5032623F4F@microsoft.com...

> > > Oh dear, I missed the lot. I'm going to answer as much as I can

> > >

> > > <<Do you have Windows Live Messenger installed? >>

> > > yes, but disabled.

> > >

> > > <<While having all files completely continguous might give you

> > > a warm feeling of satisfaction, having a few fragmentend files

> > > makes no measurable difference on the performance of your

> > > PC - so why worry?>>

> > > I'm amazed that people are saying that fragmenation makes not difference.

> > > I

> > > halved the response time of a laptop recently by defagging and it makes a

> > > noticeable difference to my PC. If what I have always understood

> > > fragmentation to be is still valid, which is bits of a file scattered

> > > around

> > > the disc, it can't do anything but slow the machine down. Although I'm

> > > ready

> > > to learn...

> >

> > *** I said "having a FEW fragmentend files makes no measurable

> > *** difference". Try to measure the difference - you won't notice

> > *** anything!

>

> The lap top had dozens of files - maybe hundreds - with 400+ fragments each

> on an XP system. My PC has dozens of files >300 fragments after a week.

>

> I would venture to suggest saying about the effects of fragmentation that

> there will be a proportionally greater impact on speed when regularly used

> files are highly fragmented (eg o/s and db files). I wouldn't expect to see a

> difference with a highly fragmented WP or spreadsheet file.

>

> What puzzles me is a note from the defragmenter about files left fragmented.

> That just does not seem right, and in the absense of the file names (even

> though the warning dialogue says the file names are in the report - but they

> are not) I'm stuck for wondering what's going on.

>

> It's like the garage saying "We serviced your car and the diagnostics say

> there is a broken wire. The cost of the service is..." So most people I would

> I think say, "So... which wire?" with the garage replying "Sorry, the

> diagnostics didn't say..." And I feel that Windows is doing that in this case.

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