Partition Question

May 26, 2008

Re: Partition Question

Dude ... you got a thread of wrong answers...as my first statement

said....you can make that space a partition with a new drive letter ( or as

a folder within the C drive) .... but these morons will continue guessing

all day.

I have done the same thing, and reinstalled everything to get the partition

layout I wanted.

Third party partitioners may do better...I don't know.

--

Hobbes

Tiger Extraordinaire/ TDTK, QZ,MissAK

"Ron K." <RonK@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

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> I've never had to deal with Parttions before so forgive my ignorance....

>

> I am using Vitsa Home Premium and decided to dual boot with Kubuntu which

> I

> absolutely hated. I removed Kubuntu by deleting the partition then

> restoring

> the boot manager for Vista.

>

> The partition that contained Kubuntu is now empty. I would like to merge

> the

> partition back into Vista. How do I do this?

>

May 26, 2008

Re: Partition Question

the wharf rat <wrat@panix.com> schreef in bericht

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> In article <MPG.22a3fe58bfcc334e989884@news.microsoft.com>,

> Jawade <Henk_Jawade@hotmail.com> wrote:

> >

> >Believe me, it's possible.

> >

>

> How? I'm under the distinct impression that you can't extend

> the boot volume.

You need free space directly on the right from the systempartition.

Rightclick on the systempartition and choose Extend Volume.

May 26, 2008

Re: Partition Question

On Sun, 25 May 2008 23:22:35 +0000 (UTC), wrat@panix.com (the wharf

rat) wrote:

>In article <MPG.22a3fe58bfcc334e989884@news.microsoft.com>,

>Jawade <Henk_Jawade@hotmail.com> wrote:

>>

>>Believe me, it's possible.

>>

>

> How? I'm under the distinct impression that you can't extend

>the boot volume.

You can with third party tools like Partition Magic, but anyone that

attempts any such thing using the crap Windows includes is crazy and

would be asking for trouble. Windows is as good with file handling as

it is with graphics. HORRIBLE! Don't trust it. NEVER!

May 26, 2008

Re: Partition Question

Isn't everything to the right of the boot partition ?

The "boot" partition is first.

That's what makes it the boot partition....or does it read your pics folder,

and say...no , let me move on to the boot partition.

To the right? ? half of the disk space is always to the left.

--

Hobbes

Tiger Extraordinaire/ TDTK, QZ,MissAK

"Barry" <bw@v.ssss> wrote in message

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> the wharf rat <wrat@panix.com> schreef in bericht

> news:g1csbr$l67$1@reader2.panix.com...

>

>> In article <MPG.22a3fe58bfcc334e989884@news.microsoft.com>,

>> Jawade <Henk_Jawade@hotmail.com> wrote:

>> >

>> >Believe me, it's possible.

>> >

>>

>> How? I'm under the distinct impression that you can't extend

>> the boot volume.

>

> You need free space directly on the right from the systempartition.

> Rightclick on the systempartition and choose Extend Volume.

>

May 26, 2008

Re: Partition Question

In article <#KLVKWtvIHA.1688@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl>, Barry <bw@v.ssss> wrote:

>the wharf rat <wrat@panix.com> schreef in bericht

>

>You need free space directly on the right from the systempartition.

>Rightclick on the systempartition and choose Extend Volume.

>

Extend is greyed out for the system partition.

May 26, 2008

Re: Partition Question

Excellent observation.

More are to follow, I assume.

Maybe if he flips the HD over....the boot sector will end up on the right ?

Or the left.

i think the boot sector should be right , left, right left....7200times per

minute.

--

Hobbes

Tiger Extraordinaire/ TDTK, QZ,MissAK

"the wharf rat" <wrat@panix.com> wrote in message

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> In article <#KLVKWtvIHA.1688@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl>, Barry <bw@v.ssss>

> wrote:

>>the wharf rat <wrat@panix.com> schreef in bericht

>>

>>You need free space directly on the right from the systempartition.

>>Rightclick on the systempartition and choose Extend Volume.

>>

>

> Extend is greyed out for the system partition.

>

May 26, 2008

Re: Partition Question

On Sun, 25 May 2008 23:05:15 -0400, "Hobbes" <Hobbes@Calvins.lol>

wrote:

>Excellent observation.

>More are to follow, I assume.

>Maybe if he flips the HD over....the boot sector will end up on the right ?

>Or the left.

>i think the boot sector should be right , left, right left....7200times per

>minute.

Well I just looked at my configuration under hard disk management.

I have one large 750 GB drive making two partitions C and E with C

being the system partition. NOTHING appears in the left column, ie,

the C partition can not be extended nor can the E partition be shrunk

according to what the screen shows, in spite of it saying it can be

extended. It shows as an option, but it is grayed out.

While I didn't upgrade to the latest version of Partition Magic that

supports Vista, I'm very familiar how it worked under XP. You simply

move a slider back and forth. So in the above example I could take

free space (allocated but not yet used) from my E partition and thus

make C larger. I could make C smaller by taking away unused free space

in the system partition, which would automatically be given to the E

partition. If I had any unallocated space (free space on the physical

drive but not yet assigned to any partition) that could be given to

either or divided between them or make more partitions. The whole

process was transparent and idiot proof.

The term "idiot proof" does not apply to morons like Frank. He can't

wipe his ass by himself. He always forgets which hand to use and often

fails to use toilet paper.

May 26, 2008

Re: Partition Question

In article <dbak34teiv63b56p7a2vcp521bdfu7fnri@4ax.com>,

Adam Albright <AA@ABC.net> wrote:

>

>While I didn't upgrade to the latest version of Partition Magic that

>supports Vista, I'm very familiar how it worked under XP. You simply

>move a slider back and forth. So in the above example I could take

>free space (allocated but not yet used) from my E partition and thus

>make C larger. I could make C smaller by taking away unused free space

Disk managament on windows doesn't work quite the same way. If

you have a basic volume you can only extend it using free space on

the same disc. So in your case you'd need to shrink or delete D then

extend C. (Provided that C isn't a boot or system volume.) If you

have a dynamic volume you can extend it with space from any disc, but

the space still has to be free first.

May 26, 2008

Re: Partition Question

Oh... they mean left/ right as in columns.

I thought they meant to the right on the "physical disk".

I have tried many times....Vista will let you shrink the boot partition ,

but not extend it.

But I have Home Premium ... from what I understand, Ultimate will allow data

striping.mirroring....which I cannot do thru Home Premium.

So whether or not having Ultimate allows greater control over Disk

Management...I don't know.

I KNOW Home Premium will not allow one to Extend the Boot Partition....Even

if the extra space never held any data or partition.

In home premium, the initial partition for the install seems to set a max

for that partition.

You can make an extended partition in a folder on C:----but you can not

increase the size of the primary C: drive.

--

Hobbes

Tiger Extraordinaire/ TDTK, QZ,MissAK

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

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> On Sun, 25 May 2008 23:05:15 -0400, "Hobbes" <Hobbes@Calvins.lol>

> wrote:

>

>>Excellent observation.

>>More are to follow, I assume.

>>Maybe if he flips the HD over....the boot sector will end up on the right

>>?

>>Or the left.

>>i think the boot sector should be right , left, right left....7200times

>>per

>>minute.

>

> Well I just looked at my configuration under hard disk management.

> I have one large 750 GB drive making two partitions C and E with C

> being the system partition. NOTHING appears in the left column, ie,

> the C partition can not be extended nor can the E partition be shrunk

> according to what the screen shows, in spite of it saying it can be

> extended. It shows as an option, but it is grayed out.

>

> While I didn't upgrade to the latest version of Partition Magic that

> supports Vista, I'm very familiar how it worked under XP. You simply

> move a slider back and forth. So in the above example I could take

> free space (allocated but not yet used) from my E partition and thus

> make C larger. I could make C smaller by taking away unused free space

> in the system partition, which would automatically be given to the E

> partition. If I had any unallocated space (free space on the physical

> drive but not yet assigned to any partition) that could be given to

> either or divided between them or make more partitions. The whole

> process was transparent and idiot proof.

>

> The term "idiot proof" does not apply to morons like Frank. He can't

> wipe his ass by himself. He always forgets which hand to use and often

> fails to use toilet paper.

>

May 26, 2008

Re: Partition Question

Home Premium doesn't natively support dynamic disk...only basic disk.

You cannot stripe / mirror with Vista HP without an outside RAID driver.

--

Hobbes

Tiger Extraordinaire/ TDTK, QZ,MissAK

"the wharf rat" <wrat@panix.com> wrote in message

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> In article <dbak34teiv63b56p7a2vcp521bdfu7fnri@4ax.com>,

> Adam Albright <AA@ABC.net> wrote:

>>

>>While I didn't upgrade to the latest version of Partition Magic that

>>supports Vista, I'm very familiar how it worked under XP. You simply

>>move a slider back and forth. So in the above example I could take

>>free space (allocated but not yet used) from my E partition and thus

>>make C larger. I could make C smaller by taking away unused free space

>

> Disk managament on windows doesn't work quite the same way. If

> you have a basic volume you can only extend it using free space on

> the same disc. So in your case you'd need to shrink or delete D then

> extend C. (Provided that C isn't a boot or system volume.) If you

> have a dynamic volume you can extend it with space from any disc, but

> the space still has to be free first.

>

May 26, 2008

Re: Partition Question

In article <g1d93k$gek$1@reader2.panix.com>, the wharf rat <wrat@panix.com> says...

> In article <#KLVKWtvIHA.1688@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl>, Barry <bw@v.ssss> wrote:

> >the wharf rat <wrat@panix.com> schreef in bericht

> >

> >You need free space directly on the right from the systempartition.

> >Rightclick on the systempartition and choose Extend Volume.

>

> Extend is greyed out for the system partition.

For a test, I did it. The drive had have 4 partitions. First the

Vista systempartition, about 20 GB, second a Linuxpartition, 10 GB

and a swap-partition, 1GB, and a data partition, 1GB. With drive-

management I removed the 10 GB Linuxpartition, behind the system-

partition. I rightclicked on the systempartition and choose extend

volume. No problem at all.

--

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http://jawade.nl/ Met een mirror op http://jawade.fortunecity.com/

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DOS-Filebrowser, Kalender, Webtellers en IP-log, USB-stick tester.

May 26, 2008

Re: Partition Question

In article <MPG.22a45cb6b8dbecf1989885@news.microsoft.com>,

Jawade <Henk_Jawade@hotmail.com> wrote:

>

>For a test, I did it. The drive had have 4 partitions. First the

It's greyed out for me. Which Vista are you running?

Are you using basic or dynamic volumes?

May 26, 2008

Re: Partition Question

On Mon, 26 May 2008 06:36:32 +0200, Jawade <Henk_Jawade@hotmail.com>

wrote:

>In article <g1d93k$gek$1@reader2.panix.com>, the wharf rat <wrat@panix.com> says...

>> In article <#KLVKWtvIHA.1688@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl>, Barry <bw@v.ssss> wrote:

>> >the wharf rat <wrat@panix.com> schreef in bericht

>> >

>> >You need free space directly on the right from the systempartition.

>> >Rightclick on the systempartition and choose Extend Volume.

>>

>> Extend is greyed out for the system partition.

>

>For a test, I did it. The drive had have 4 partitions. First the

>Vista systempartition, about 20 GB, second a Linuxpartition, 10 GB

>and a swap-partition, 1GB, and a data partition, 1GB. With drive-

>management I removed the 10 GB Linuxpartition, behind the system-

>partition. I rightclicked on the systempartition and choose extend

>volume. No problem at all.

COOL!

And I just popped $25 for Acronis Disk Director Suite (but it can do a

lot more)!

May 26, 2008

Re: Partition Question

In article <g1dffe$i3r$1@reader2.panix.com>, the wharf rat <wrat@panix.com> says...

> In article <MPG.22a45cb6b8dbecf1989885@news.microsoft.com>,

> Jawade <Henk_Jawade@hotmail.com> wrote:

> >

> >For a test, I did it. The drive had have 4 partitions. First the

>

> It's greyed out for me. Which Vista are you running?

> Are you using basic or dynamic volumes?

I use Ultimate and basic volumes.

--

Met vriendelijke groeten, Jawade. BackUp-progje weer vernieuwd.

http://jawade.nl/ Met een mirror op http://jawade.fortunecity.com/

Bootmanager (+Vista +Linux), ClrMBR, DiskEdit (+Linux), POP3lezer,

DOS-Filebrowser, Kalender, Webtellers en IP-log, USB-stick tester.

May 26, 2008

Re: Partition Question

In article <g1dffe$i3r$1@reader2.panix.com>,

the wharf rat <wrat@panix.com> wrote:

>In article <MPG.22a45cb6b8dbecf1989885@news.microsoft.com>,

>Jawade <Henk_Jawade@hotmail.com> wrote:

>>

>>For a test, I did it. The drive had have 4 partitions. First the

>

> It's greyed out for me. Which Vista are you running?

>Are you using basic or dynamic volumes?

>

Looks like Jawade is right! The trick is...

C: CANNOT be a dynamic volume. (You'd think it should be the other

way around, right?)

and

The target free space MUST be adjacent to the existing C:.

This does indeed work with Home Premium.

Thanks, Jawade. Sorry I doubted you :-)

May 26, 2008

Re: Partition Question

Here's what I tried so far: I went to Computer Management, Storage, then to

Disk Management. I find the partition that previously held Kubuntu which is

labeled 179.54 GB Free Space, I right click on it and get Delete and New

Simple Volume as the only options. I tried to delete the partition but get a

message saying there is isn't enough space to delete it. Not sure what the

other option does, any ideas?

"Hobbes" wrote:

> Open up Computer Management...format it to NTFS.

> It will still remain a separate drive without using a third party partition

> tool.

>

> "Ron K." <RonK@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:F0996A4F-B5DF-4AD6-924D-939AEAA036D5@microsoft.com...

> > I've never had to deal with Parttions before so forgive my ignorance....

> >

> > I am using Vitsa Home Premium and decided to dual boot with Kubuntu which

> > I

> > absolutely hated. I removed Kubuntu by deleting the partition then

> > restoring

> > the boot manager for Vista.

> >

> > The partition that contained Kubuntu is now empty. I would like to merge

> > the

> > partition back into Vista. How do I do this?

> >

>

May 26, 2008

Re: Partition Question

Hi, Hobbes.

You've said so many things in your many posts here that I don't have time to

respond to all of them. But you and the other posters have made me take

another look at Disk Management's Help file - and there are some

disappointing changes since the last time I looked at it. :>{ I'll put my

comments about that into another sub-thread.

But I can respond to some specific statements you made in this

post...inline:

"Hobbes" <Hobbes@Calvins.lol> wrote in message news:g1cn4h$aov$1@aioe.org...

> You cannot extend the boot partition.

Sometimes you can.

> If someone has done this...I 'd like to read it.

I have. More than once. And I've reported that here several times. And

others have reported success, too. One recent thread in this newsgroup was

started by Derek Da Silva on about 1/18/2008, Subject: Extend volume. In

that thread, my first Reply started:

>> Yes, Vista CAN extend the System Volume - IF there is CONTIGUOUS free

>> space

>> immediately following that volume. But the System Volume cannot be a

>> "dynamic volume", so it can't use non-contiguous space.

After a few exchanges, Derek's final post, on 1/20/08, said, in part:

>> It worked! I was able to make my system drive (C:) larger.

> NEVER in Vista has the Extend partition been highlighted in computer

> management.

You may honestly say that YOU haven't seen it, Hobbes, but many people have,

so you can't say "NEVER in Vista".

> Maybe someone from MS can state whether there are limitations to this.

Yes, it would be good for MS to jump into this long thread and

authoritatively clear up some of the confusion being spread by several

posters.

> I have deleted all partitions but C: ... I can create a new partition...I

> can shrink C: ... but I can never Extend it.

I'm sorry about that. But I have extended C:, and so have Derek and others

who have reported success here and in other Vista newsgroups.

> You can read pages of this limitation by googling Vista expand partition

>

> --

> Hobbes

> Tiger Extraordinaire/ TDTK, QZ,MissAK

Are you sure you are not just borrowing Calvin's credentials? Do you have

any that you actually earned and did not bestow on yourself?

RC

--

R. C. White, CPA

San Marcos, TX

rc@grandecom.net

Microsoft Windows MVP

(Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)

> "R. C. White" <rc@grandecom.net> wrote in message

> news:%23DrCo5qvIHA.5096@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>> Hi, Ron.

>>

>> As Jawade said, use Disk Management, a built-in part of every version of

>> Windows starting with Windows 2000. There are several ways to start it;

>> my favorite is to just press the Start button, type diskmgmt.msc and

>> press Enter. You'll need the Administrator password to get past this

>> point.

>>

>> In Disk Management, by default you should see the volume list in the top

>> of the window and the Graphical View at the bottom; just two ways to look

>> at the same information. From this window, we can manage our hard disk

>> partitions (and just about any other device that can be assigned a

>> "drive" letter, such as a CD/DVD drive, a USB flash drive, etc.). We can

>> create and format partitions, name them, assign and reassign letters, and

>> do other jobs, too. (While "partition" and "volume" are not truly

>> synonymous, they are often used to mean the same thing. In Disk

>> Management, click Help | Help Topics | Disk Management Welcome for lots

>> of good information that most computer users never get around to

>> learning.)

>>

>> In your case, if I understand what you've told us so far, you should see

>> your Drive C:, followed by the partition that held Kubuntu. That

>> partition may now be completely empty, but it is not yet "Free Space"

>> because it is still a part of that empty partition. If that's correct,

>> then right-click on the Kubuntu partition and click Delete Volume and

>> confirm that you are sure. You should then see that area as Free Space.

>>

>> NOW you can right-click on Drive C: and choose Extend volume. That

>> option is greyed out unless the space immediately following the chosen

>> volume is free, but it should now be available.

>>

>> If you don't see what I expect, please post back with details about what

>> volumes are on that hard drive.

>>

>> RC

>>

>> "Ron K." <RonK@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> news:F0996A4F-B5DF-4AD6-924D-939AEAA036D5@microsoft.com...

>>> I've never had to deal with Parttions before so forgive my ignorance....

>>>

>>> I am using Vitsa Home Premium and decided to dual boot with Kubuntu

>>> which I

>>> absolutely hated. I removed Kubuntu by deleting the partition then

>>> restoring

>>> the boot manager for Vista.

>>>

>>> The partition that contained Kubuntu is now empty. I would like to merge

>>> the

>>> partition back into Vista. How do I do this?

May 26, 2008

Re: Partition Question

Hi, Ron.

WOW! Your question generated a LOT of responses! Sadly, few of them are

helpful and many are just plain wrong. There is so much MIS-information in

the thread that I don't have time to try to respond to all of it.

Perhaps your use of Kubuntu created some problem that I've never seen

because I've never installed any version of Linux.

>> > I am using Vitsa Home Premium and decided to dual boot with Kubuntu

>> > which

>> > I

>> > absolutely hated.

You didn't tell us HOW you created the partition for Kubuntu. Did you use

Disk Management for that? Or did you use some tool that came with Kubuntu?

>> > I removed Kubuntu by deleting the partition then

>> > restoring

>> > the boot manager for Vista.

You also didn't tell us HOW you deleted that partition. Did you use Disk

Management for that job?

Since I have no experience with Kubuntu, I'm only guessing. But my guess is

that you should have used a Linux tool to undo that partition and restore

the pre-Kubuntu configuration.

> message saying there is isn't enough space to delete it.

This does not make sense to me. Disk Management should not need any space

to delete a volume. This reinforces my feeling that some Linux tool has

written unfamiliar data into critical partition management areas on the hard

drive.

In my earlier reply I said, "In Disk Management, click Help | Help Topics |

Disk Management Welcome for lots of good information that most computer

users never get around to learning." This morning I took another look in

that Help file. They’ve CHANGED IT! Much of the good information has been

deleted or summarized to the point of near-uselessness. :>( Many of the

important and helpful details have been removed. I'm not sure when this

happened, perhaps in Vista SP1 a couple of months ago.

The Help file now points us to the DISKPART utility, reached from the

Command Line. DISKPART will do the job, all right, but it is far too

powerful a tool for the average user. Any tool this powerful can do at

least as much harm as good when used carelessly or by someone without

experience in its quirks. For instance, the first time I used it to extend

a volume by 3 GB of the contiguous 8 GB Free Space, I entered "3" when it

asked "how much?" - and got the whole 8 GB. THEN I read that said to

specify in MB not GB - and that an invalid entry (3 MB should have been 3000

MB) would cause Extend to use the whole available space.

At the risk of extending this already too-long thread, let me quote from

DISKPART Help:

<paste>

C:\Windows\system32>diskpart

Microsoft DiskPart version 6.0.6001

On computer: RC-PC

DISKPART> help

Microsoft DiskPart version 6.0.6001

ACTIVE - Mark the selected basic partition as active.

ADD - Add a mirror to a simple volume.

ASSIGN - Assign a drive letter or mount point to the selected volume.

ATTRIBUTES - Manipulate volume or disk attributes.

AUTOMOUNT - Enable and disable automatic mounting of basic volumes.

BREAK - Break a mirror set.

CLEAN - Clear the configuration information, or all information, off

the

disk.

CONVERT - Convert between different disk formats.

CREATE - Create a volume or partition.

DELETE - Delete an object.

DETAIL - Provide details about an object.

EXIT - Exit DiskPart.

EXTEND - Extend a volume.

FILESYSTEMS - Display current and supported file systems on the volume.

FORMAT - Format the volume or partition.

GPT - Assign attributes to the selected GPT partition.

HELP - Display a list of commands.

IMPORT - Import a disk group.

INACTIVE - Mark the selected basic partition as inactive.

LIST - Display a list of objects.

ONLINE - Online an object that is currently marked as offline.

OFFLINE - Offline an object that is currently marked as online.

RECOVER - Refreshes the state of all disks in the selected pack.

Attempts recovery on disks in the invalid pack, and

resynchronizes mirrored volumes and RAID5 volumes

that have stale plex or parity data.

REM - Does nothing. This is used to comment scripts.

REMOVE - Remove a drive letter or mount point assignment.

REPAIR - Repair a RAID-5 volume with a failed member.

RESCAN - Rescan the computer looking for disks and volumes.

RETAIN - Place a retained partition under a simple volume.

SAN - Display or set the SAN policy for the currently booted OS.

SELECT - Shift the focus to an object.

SETID - Change the partition type.

SHRINK - Reduce the size of the selected volume.

UNIQUEID - Displays or sets the GUID partition table (GPT) identifier or

master boot record (MBR) signature of a disk.

DISKPART> help extend

Extends the volume or partition with focus and its file system into free

(unallocated) space on a disk.

Syntax: EXTEND [DISK=<N>] [NOERR]

EXTEND FILESYSTEM [NOERR]

SIZE=<N> Specifies the amount of space in megabytes (MB) to add to

the

current volume or partition. If no size is given, all of the

contiguous free space that is available on the disk is used.

DISK=<N> Specifies the disk on which the volume or partition is

extended. If no disk is specified, the volume or partition

is

extended on the current disk.

FILESYSTEM Extends the file system of the volume with focus. For use

only

on disks where the file system was not extended with the

volume.

NOERR For scripting only. When an error is encountered, DiskPart

continues to process commands as if the error did not occur.

Without the NOERR parameter, an error causes DiskPart to

exit

with an error code.

On basic disks, the free space must be on the same disk as the volume or

partition with focus. It must also immediately follow the volume or

partition with focus (start at the next sector offset).

On dynamic disks with simple or spanned volumes, a volume can be

extended

to any free space on any dynamic disk. Using this command, you can

convert

a simple dynamic volume into a spanned dynamic volume.

If the partition was previously formatted with the NTFS file system, the

file system is automatically extended to fill the larger partition. No

data

loss occurs. If the partition was previously formatted with a different

file system than NTFS, the command fails with no change to the

partition.

If the partition was not previously formatted with a file system, the

partition will still be extended.

A volume or partition must be selected for this operation to succeed.

Example:

EXTEND SIZE=500 DISK=3

EXTEND FILESYSTEM

</paste>

As I said, Ron, it's a powerful tool, so use it with care!

RC

--

R. C. White, CPA

San Marcos, TX

rc@grandecom.net

Microsoft Windows MVP

(Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)

"Ron K." <RonK@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

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> Here's what I tried so far: I went to Computer Management, Storage, then

> to

> Disk Management. I find the partition that previously held Kubuntu which

> is

> labeled 179.54 GB Free Space, I right click on it and get Delete and New

> Simple Volume as the only options. I tried to delete the partition but

> get a

> message saying there is isn't enough space to delete it. Not sure what

> the

> other option does, any ideas?

>

> "Hobbes" wrote:

>

>> Open up Computer Management...format it to NTFS.

>> It will still remain a separate drive without using a third party

>> partition

>> tool.

>>

>> "Ron K." <RonK@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> news:F0996A4F-B5DF-4AD6-924D-939AEAA036D5@microsoft.com...

>> > I've never had to deal with Parttions before so forgive my

>> > ignorance....

>> >

>> > I am using Vitsa Home Premium and decided to dual boot with Kubuntu

>> > which

>> > I

>> > absolutely hated. I removed Kubuntu by deleting the partition then

>> > restoring

>> > the boot manager for Vista.

>> >

>> > The partition that contained Kubuntu is now empty. I would like to

>> > merge

>> > the

>> > partition back into Vista. How do I do this?

May 26, 2008

Re: Partition Question

On Mon, 26 May 2008 09:51:48 -0500, "R. C. White" <rc@grandecom.net>

wrote:

>Hi, Ron.

>

>WOW! Your question generated a LOT of responses! Sadly, few of them are

>helpful and many are just plain wrong. There is so much MIS-information in

>the thread that I don't have time to try to respond to all of it.

Yet like most you just babble on anyway without actually knowing what

you're talking about. Funny, but very typical in newsgroups.

>

>Perhaps your use of Kubuntu created some problem that I've never seen

>because I've never installed any version of Linux.

Still babbling...

>

>>> > I am using Vitsa Home Premium and decided to dual boot with Kubuntu

>>> > which

>>> > I

>>> > absolutely hated.

>

>You didn't tell us HOW you created the partition for Kubuntu. Did you use

>Disk Management for that? Or did you use some tool that came with Kubuntu?

What difference would that make? Answer: None!

See, what I mean by aimless babbling? That's like asking, hey, did you

write down your notes on a white or yellow legal pad? You honestly

think it matters?

>

>>> > I removed Kubuntu by deleting the partition then

>>> > restoring

>>> > the boot manager for Vista.

>

>You also didn't tell us HOW you deleted that partition. Did you use Disk

>Management for that job?

Again, totally irrelevant to the problem at hand.

>

>Since I have no experience with Kubuntu, I'm only guessing.

I've noticed.

>But my guess is

>that you should have used a Linux tool to undo that partition and restore

>the pre-Kubuntu configuration.

>

>> message saying there is isn't enough space to delete it.

>

>This does not make sense to me. Disk Management should not need any space

>to delete a volume. This reinforces my feeling that some Linux tool has

>written unfamiliar data into critical partition management areas on the hard

>drive.

A lot of "help" and "error" messages generated by Windows never make

sense because they are cryptic in nature. A classic example is when

Windows says it needs to shut down Windows Explorer, but never gives a

reason why part of itself (Explorer is a core element) has caused it

to need to recover from itself. Priceless!

May 26, 2008

Re: Partition Question

In article <50A85EC6-F02B-4E68-A867-39F3C8699B31@microsoft.com>,

R. C. White <rc@grandecom.net> wrote:

>

>> message saying there is isn't enough space to delete it.

>

>This does not make sense to me. Disk Management should not need any space

>to delete a volume. This reinforces my feeling that some Linux tool has

You get this error when you have 4 primary partitions.

May 26, 2008

Re: Partition Question

"Ron K." <RonK@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:F0996A4F-B5DF-4AD6-924D-939AEAA036D5@microsoft.com...

> I've never had to deal with Parttions before so forgive my ignorance....

>

> I am using Vitsa Home Premium and decided to dual boot with Kubuntu which

> I

> absolutely hated. I removed Kubuntu by deleting the partition then

> restoring

> the boot manager for Vista.

>

> The partition that contained Kubuntu is now empty. I would like to merge

> the

> partition back into Vista. How do I do this?

>

I've used BootIT for a long time. You can resize your Vista partition to use

the free space, or whatever. It's a good idea to backup your existing Vista

partition beforehand. The program will do this too. You can use it for free

for these functions.

http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/bootit-next-generation.htm

May 26, 2008

Re: Partition Question

"Jawade" <Henk_Jawade@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:MPG.22a3ce548941c044989880@news.microsoft.com...

> In article <F0996A4F-B5DF-4AD6-924D-939AEAA036D5@microsoft.com>,

> =?Utf-8?B?Um9uIEsu?=

> <RonK@discussions.microsoft.com> says...

>> I've never had to deal with Parttions before so forgive my ignorance....

>>

>> I am using Vitsa Home Premium and decided to dual boot with Kubuntu which

>> I

>> absolutely hated. I removed Kubuntu by deleting the partition then

>> restoring

>> the boot manager for Vista.

>>

>> The partition that contained Kubuntu is now empty. I would like to merge

>> the

>> partition back into Vista. How do I do this?

>

> Go to the Drivemanagement, remove the Ubuntu-partition, click

> right at the Windowspartition and expand the partition with the

> free space.

>

> --

> Met vriendelijke groeten, Jawade. BackUp-progje weer vernieuwd.

> http://jawade.nl/ Met een mirror op http://jawade.fortunecity.com/

> Bootmanager (+Vista +Linux), ClrMBR, DiskEdit (+Linux), POP3lezer,

> DOS-Filebrowser, Kalender, Webtellers en IP-log, USB-stick tester.

Now that's cool! Thanks!

June 12, 2008

Re: Partition Question

I got it! I couldn't get the (former) Kubuntu partition to delete under

Vista disk management. I solved the problem by using Gparted to format the

Drives under NTFS then came back to delete the drive upon doing that I was

able to extend the drives back together. I want to thank everyone here for

all the help.

"R. C. White" wrote:

> Hi, Ron.

>

> As Jawade said, use Disk Management, a built-in part of every version of

> Windows starting with Windows 2000. There are several ways to start it; my

> favorite is to just press the Start button, type diskmgmt.msc and press

> Enter. You'll need the Administrator password to get past this point.

>

> In Disk Management, by default you should see the volume list in the top of

> the window and the Graphical View at the bottom; just two ways to look at

> the same information. From this window, we can manage our hard disk

> partitions (and just about any other device that can be assigned a "drive"

> letter, such as a CD/DVD drive, a USB flash drive, etc.). We can create and

> format partitions, name them, assign and reassign letters, and do other

> jobs, too. (While "partition" and "volume" are not truly synonymous, they

> are often used to mean the same thing. In Disk Management, click Help |

> Help Topics | Disk Management Welcome for lots of good information that most

> computer users never get around to learning.)

>

> In your case, if I understand what you've told us so far, you should see

> your Drive C:, followed by the partition that held Kubuntu. That partition

> may now be completely empty, but it is not yet "Free Space" because it is

> still a part of that empty partition. If that's correct, then right-click

> on the Kubuntu partition and click Delete Volume and confirm that you are

> sure. You should then see that area as Free Space.

>

> NOW you can right-click on Drive C: and choose Extend volume. That option

> is greyed out unless the space immediately following the chosen volume is

> free, but it should now be available.

>

> If you don't see what I expect, please post back with details about what

> volumes are on that hard drive.

>

> RC

> --

> R. C. White, CPA

> San Marcos, TX

> rc@grandecom.net

> Microsoft Windows MVP

> (Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)

>

> "Ron K." <RonK@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:F0996A4F-B5DF-4AD6-924D-939AEAA036D5@microsoft.com...

> > I've never had to deal with Parttions before so forgive my ignorance....

> >

> > I am using Vitsa Home Premium and decided to dual boot with Kubuntu which

> > I

> > absolutely hated. I removed Kubuntu by deleting the partition then

> > restoring

> > the boot manager for Vista.

> >

> > The partition that contained Kubuntu is now empty. I would like to merge

> > the

> > partition back into Vista. How do I do this?

>

June 12, 2008

Re: Partition Question

Hi, Ron.

Congratulations! And thanks for the feedback.

RC

--

R. C. White, CPA

San Marcos, TX

rc@grandecom.net

Microsoft Windows MVP

(Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)

"Ron K." <RonK@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:6E526526-89F7-4256-AFBF-354F25662C19@microsoft.com...

> I got it! I couldn't get the (former) Kubuntu partition to delete under

> Vista disk management. I solved the problem by using Gparted to format the

> Drives under NTFS then came back to delete the drive upon doing that I was

> able to extend the drives back together. I want to thank everyone here

> for

> all the help.

>

> "R. C. White" wrote:

>

>> Hi, Ron.

>>

>> As Jawade said, use Disk Management, a built-in part of every version of

>> Windows starting with Windows 2000. There are several ways to start it;

>> my

>> favorite is to just press the Start button, type diskmgmt.msc and press

>> Enter. You'll need the Administrator password to get past this point.

>>

>> In Disk Management, by default you should see the volume list in the top

>> of

>> the window and the Graphical View at the bottom; just two ways to look at

>> the same information. From this window, we can manage our hard disk

>> partitions (and just about any other device that can be assigned a

>> "drive"

>> letter, such as a CD/DVD drive, a USB flash drive, etc.). We can create

>> and

>> format partitions, name them, assign and reassign letters, and do other

>> jobs, too. (While "partition" and "volume" are not truly synonymous,

>> they

>> are often used to mean the same thing. In Disk Management, click Help |

>> Help Topics | Disk Management Welcome for lots of good information that

>> most

>> computer users never get around to learning.)

>>

>> In your case, if I understand what you've told us so far, you should see

>> your Drive C:, followed by the partition that held Kubuntu. That

>> partition

>> may now be completely empty, but it is not yet "Free Space" because it is

>> still a part of that empty partition. If that's correct, then

>> right-click

>> on the Kubuntu partition and click Delete Volume and confirm that you are

>> sure. You should then see that area as Free Space.

>>

>> NOW you can right-click on Drive C: and choose Extend volume. That

>> option

>> is greyed out unless the space immediately following the chosen volume is

>> free, but it should now be available.

>>

>> If you don't see what I expect, please post back with details about what

>> volumes are on that hard drive.

>>

>> RC

>>

>> "Ron K." <RonK@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> news:F0996A4F-B5DF-4AD6-924D-939AEAA036D5@microsoft.com...

>> > I've never had to deal with Parttions before so forgive my

>> > ignorance....

>> >

>> > I am using Vitsa Home Premium and decided to dual boot with Kubuntu

>> > which

>> > I

>> > absolutely hated. I removed Kubuntu by deleting the partition then

>> > restoring

>> > the boot manager for Vista.

>> >

>> > The partition that contained Kubuntu is now empty. I would like to

>> > merge

>> > the

>> > partition back into Vista. How do I do this?

June 30, 2008

Re: Partition Question

Hi RC,

I read your reply and I have a similiar situation. I am running Vista Home

Basic iwth one HDD. When I look at the disk management graphic, I see 10 GB

of unallocated space then my C: system volume (looking left to right).

I want to have only one volume (C:) that includes the entire HDD. When I

try to extend the current C: volume it is greyed out. How do I confiure the

entire drive as C: without losing any programs/data or reinstalling Vista?

Thanks in advance for any help

..te" wrote: