Guest MEB Posted May 30, 2008 Posted May 30, 2008 Re: IE Running well so far Also the FAQ shows this: Are Windows 98, Windows 98 Second Edition, or Windows Millennium Edition critically affected by any of the vulnerabilities that are addressed in this security bulletin? No. None of these vulnerabilities are critical in severity on Windows 98, on Windows 98 Second Edition, or on Windows Millennium Edition. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com -- _________ "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:OjabDeewIHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... | Ah, wait a minute, just re-checked the download for 823353 and its still | showing no support, so where did you find that file which indicates 9X? | | -- | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | -- | _________ | | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | news:uRoXJYewIHA.4488@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... | | Thanks Gary, when/if I get to it I will.. | | | | -- | | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | | -- | | _________ | | | | "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | | news:%23gdbWDewIHA.2360@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... | | | You (or whoever you can coerce into helping you) let me know if you're | | | missing any files. I'm perpetually surprised by the stuff I got stashed | | away | | | on this machine... Of course, I do have several full copies of 98 | machines | | | that I made as quick & dirty backups before I flattened them. Plus the | | ones | | | I personally collected at various times through the years... | | | | | | -- | | | Gary S. Terhune | | | MS-MVP Shell/User | | | http://www.grystmill.com | | | | | | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | | | news:ut5IC2cwIHA.1772@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... | | | > OH NOOOO, don't assign that one to meeeee, pleeeeeeaaaaassseee....... | | | > | | | > But you're right, I will likely need to go back through those old | | | > iuhist.xml and Windows Update.log files and see exactly what was | | removed.. | | | > cross-check for present availability and where to find or if still | | | > available | | | > [which many are not], and check to see if they were | outdated/superceded. | | | > Maybe,,,, have to see how things go ... of course others could do this | | as | | | > well.. | | | > | | | > -- | | | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | | | > -- | | | > _________ | | | > | | | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | | | > news:OR8xleVwIHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... | | | > | No, we downloaded it last night or the night before, whenever it | was. | | | > | | | | > | As for it's 9x compatibility, all I knew was that it had been | | installed | | | > on | | | > a | | | > | 9x system and that the trail of KB + Security Bulletin led to a link | | | > that | | | > | said, "For IESP1, all versions of Windows." And it worked. Makes me | | want | | | > to | | | > | check a few other supposedly non-9x Updates. Not enough to actually | do | | | > it, | | | > | but just a little. | | | > | | | | > | Actually, sounds like a job for you, <eg>. | | | > | | | | > | -- | | | > | Gary S. Terhune | | | > | MS-MVP Shell/User | | | > | http://www.grystmill.com | | | > | | | | > | | | | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | | | > | news:%234qcxcUwIHA.5448@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... | | | > | > 11-23-04 about two months after it was issued/offered, then | 02-09-06 | | | > four | | | > | > months prior to end. | | | > | > | | | > | > Well, I don't know why it was removed, it isn't like several other | | | > updates | | | > | > that I have large amounts of error reports saved for. | | | > | > Your guess is as good as mine, it obviously wasn't completely | | | > superceded | | | > | > or | | | > | > the older outdated update would have been removed as well. | | | > | > | | | > | > However, looking IN the 11-23-04 IE6.0sp1-KB823353-x86-ENU.exe | | | > offering, | | | > | > it | | | > | > has no direct indication of 9X support that was normally included. | | The | | | > | > INFs | | | > | > are not the usual, yet, as I was doing at that time, it was what I | | got | | | > | > when | | | > | > re-downloading whatever iuhist showed was installed for future | use. | | Be | | | > | > interesting to see if anyone had the actual original offering. Or | | was | | | > that | | | > | > what you used? | | | > | > | | | > | > -- | | | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | | | > | > -- | | | > | > _________ | | | > | > | | | > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | | | > | > news:OmMmxNUwIHA.5584@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... | | | > | > | "...note the date..." Note what about the date? | | | > | > | | | | > | > | And it just goes to show you how much you can trust any | particular | | | > | > write-up | | | > | > | by MS to be complete. | | | > | > | | | | > | > | -- | | | > | > | Gary S. Terhune | | | > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User | | | > | > | http://www.grystmill.com | | | > | > | | | | > | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | | | > | > | news:O%23kHsJUwIHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... | | | > | > | > Just some further info for those who might be interested. | | | > | > | > | | | > | > | > Though previous 98SE iuhist.xml-s did include the update, | here's | | | > | > excerpts | | | > | > | > from the download page I have saved from 02/09/2006 {note the | | | > date}: | | | > | > | > | | | > | > | > Download details: Cumulative Security Update for Outlook | Express | | 6 | | | > | > Service | | | > | > | > Pack 1 (KB823353) | | | > | > | > | | | > | > | > Cumulative Security Update for Outlook Express 6 Service Pack | 1 | | | > | > | > (KB823353) | | | > | > | > This update addresses the vulnerability discussed in Microsoft | | | > | > | > Security Bulletin MS04-018. To find out if other security | | updates | | | > | > | > are available for you, see the Overview section of this page. | | | > | > | > | | | > | > | > Quick Info | | | > | > | > File Name:IE6.0sp1-KB823353-x86-ENU.exe | | | > | > | > Download Size:1950 KB | | | > | > | > Date Published:7/14/2004 | | | > | > | > Version:OE6 | | | > | > | > | | | > | > | > Cumulative Security Update for Outlook Express 6 | | | > | > | > Service Pack 1 (KB823353) | | | > | > | > English | | | > | > | > | | | > | > | > Microsoft Security Bulletin MS04-018 | | | > | > | > | | | > | > | > System Requirements | | | > | > | > Supported Operating Systems: Windows 2000 Service Pack 2, | | | > | > | > Windows 2000 Service Pack 3, Windows 2000 Service Pack 4, | | | > | > | > Windows NT, Windows XP, Windows XP Service Pack 1 | | | > | > | > This update applies to Outlook Express 6 Service Pack 1 (SP1) | | | > | > | > with the following operating systems: | | | > | > | > | | | > | > | > Windows XP SP1 | | | > | > | > Windows XP | | | > | > | > Windows 2000 SP2 | | | > | > | > Windows 2000 SP3 | | | > | > | > Windows 2000 SP4 | | | > | > | > Windows NT 4.0 SP6A | | | > | > | > ------ | | | > | > | > | | | > | > | > The file I have saved with a date of 11/23/04 was also saved | | with | | | > the | | | > | > | > download page [same date] which reflects the above | information.: | | | > | > | > Compare to the below date. | | | > | > | > | | | > | > | > As example of one of the old iuhist containment {the < have | been | | | > | > removed}: | | | > | > | > | | | > | > | > itemStatus xmlns="" timestamp="2004-08-03T05:23:24"> | | | > | > | > identity | | | > | > | > | | | > | > | | | > | | | itemID="ie60x.internetexplorer6x.ver_platform_win32_windows.4.10.x86.en..... | | | > | > | > .com_microsoft.q823353_oe6_sp1." name="Q823353_OE6_SP1"> | | | > | > | > publisherName>com_microsoft</publisherName> | | | > | > | > language>en</language> | | | > | > | > /identity> | | | > | > | > description hidden="0"> | | | > | > | > descriptionText> | | | > | > | > title>Cumulative Security Update for Outlook Express 6 SP1 | | | > | > | > (KB823353)</title> | | | > | > | > eula href="/msdownload/update/v3/static/eula/en/eula.htm"/> | | | > | > | > details href="http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=19527"/> | | | > | > | > /descriptionText> | | | > | > | > /description> | | | > | > | > platform name="ver_platform_win32_windows"> | | | > | > | > processorArchitecture>x86</processorArchitecture> | | | > | > | > version major="4" minor="10" build="" servicePackMajor="" | | | > | > | > servicePackMinor=""/> | | | > | > | > /platform> | | | > | > | > <downloadStatus value="COMPLETE"/> | | | > | > | > | | | > <downloadPath>c:\WUTemp\com_microsoft.Q823353_OE6_SP1</downloadPath> | | | > | > | > <client>IU_Site</client> | | | > | > | > <installStatus value="COMPLETE" needsReboot="0"/> | | | > | > | > </itemStatus> | | | > | > | > | | | > | > | > {I was wrong it wasn't part of the December update debacle.} | | | > | > | > | | | > | > | > -- | | | > | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | | | > | > | > -- | | | > | > | > _________ | | | > | > | > | | | > | > | > | | | > | > | | | | > | > | | | > | > | | | > | | | | > | | | > | | | | | | | | |
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted May 30, 2008 Posted May 30, 2008 Re: IE Running well so far Did I say it says anywhere that Win9x is "supported"? If I did, I was mistaking it with another quite similar download yesterday, one of the MSXML patches (thought it turns out the second one of those didn't install on 9x.) All I know is that it works, so I gotta figure it's called censorship of the literature. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:OjabDeewIHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > Ah, wait a minute, just re-checked the download for 823353 and its still > showing no support, so where did you find that file which indicates 9X? > > -- > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > -- > _________ > > "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:uRoXJYewIHA.4488@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > | Thanks Gary, when/if I get to it I will.. > | > | -- > | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > | -- > | _________ > | > | "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > | news:%23gdbWDewIHA.2360@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > | | You (or whoever you can coerce into helping you) let me know if you're > | | missing any files. I'm perpetually surprised by the stuff I got > stashed > | away > | | on this machine... Of course, I do have several full copies of 98 > machines > | | that I made as quick & dirty backups before I flattened them. Plus the > | ones > | | I personally collected at various times through the years... > | | > | | -- > | | Gary S. Terhune > | | MS-MVP Shell/User > | | http://www.grystmill.com > | | > | | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message > | | news:ut5IC2cwIHA.1772@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > | | > OH NOOOO, don't assign that one to meeeee, > pleeeeeeaaaaassseee....... > | | > > | | > But you're right, I will likely need to go back through those old > | | > iuhist.xml and Windows Update.log files and see exactly what was > | removed.. > | | > cross-check for present availability and where to find or if still > | | > available > | | > [which many are not], and check to see if they were > outdated/superceded. > | | > Maybe,,,, have to see how things go ... of course others could do > this > | as > | | > well.. > | | > > | | > -- > | | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > | | > -- > | | > _________ > | | > > | | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > | | > news:OR8xleVwIHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > | | > | No, we downloaded it last night or the night before, whenever it > was. > | | > | > | | > | As for it's 9x compatibility, all I knew was that it had been > | installed > | | > on > | | > a > | | > | 9x system and that the trail of KB + Security Bulletin led to a > link > | | > that > | | > | said, "For IESP1, all versions of Windows." And it worked. Makes > me > | want > | | > to > | | > | check a few other supposedly non-9x Updates. Not enough to > actually > do > | | > it, > | | > | but just a little. > | | > | > | | > | Actually, sounds like a job for you, <eg>. > | | > | > | | > | -- > | | > | Gary S. Terhune > | | > | MS-MVP Shell/User > | | > | http://www.grystmill.com > | | > | > | | > | > | | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message > | | > | news:%234qcxcUwIHA.5448@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > | | > | > 11-23-04 about two months after it was issued/offered, then > 02-09-06 > | | > four > | | > | > months prior to end. > | | > | > > | | > | > Well, I don't know why it was removed, it isn't like several > other > | | > updates > | | > | > that I have large amounts of error reports saved for. > | | > | > Your guess is as good as mine, it obviously wasn't completely > | | > superceded > | | > | > or > | | > | > the older outdated update would have been removed as well. > | | > | > > | | > | > However, looking IN the 11-23-04 IE6.0sp1-KB823353-x86-ENU.exe > | | > offering, > | | > | > it > | | > | > has no direct indication of 9X support that was normally > included. > | The > | | > | > INFs > | | > | > are not the usual, yet, as I was doing at that time, it was what > I > | got > | | > | > when > | | > | > re-downloading whatever iuhist showed was installed for future > use. > | Be > | | > | > interesting to see if anyone had the actual original offering. > Or > | was > | | > that > | | > | > what you used? > | | > | > > | | > | > -- > | | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > | | > | > -- > | | > | > _________ > | | > | > > | | > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > | | > | > news:OmMmxNUwIHA.5584@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > | | > | > | "...note the date..." Note what about the date? > | | > | > | > | | > | > | And it just goes to show you how much you can trust any > particular > | | > | > write-up > | | > | > | by MS to be complete. > | | > | > | > | | > | > | -- > | | > | > | Gary S. Terhune > | | > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User > | | > | > | http://www.grystmill.com > | | > | > | > | | > | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message > | | > | > | news:O%23kHsJUwIHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > | | > | > | > Just some further info for those who might be interested. > | | > | > | > > | | > | > | > Though previous 98SE iuhist.xml-s did include the update, > here's > | | > | > excerpts > | | > | > | > from the download page I have saved from 02/09/2006 {note > the > | | > date}: > | | > | > | > > | | > | > | > Download details: Cumulative Security Update for Outlook > Express > | 6 > | | > | > Service > | | > | > | > Pack 1 (KB823353) > | | > | > | > > | | > | > | > Cumulative Security Update for Outlook Express 6 Service > Pack > 1 > | | > | > | > (KB823353) > | | > | > | > This update addresses the vulnerability discussed in > Microsoft > | | > | > | > Security Bulletin MS04-018. To find out if other security > | updates > | | > | > | > are available for you, see the Overview section of this > page. > | | > | > | > > | | > | > | > Quick Info > | | > | > | > File Name:IE6.0sp1-KB823353-x86-ENU.exe > | | > | > | > Download Size:1950 KB > | | > | > | > Date Published:7/14/2004 > | | > | > | > Version:OE6 > | | > | > | > > | | > | > | > Cumulative Security Update for Outlook Express 6 > | | > | > | > Service Pack 1 (KB823353) > | | > | > | > English > | | > | > | > > | | > | > | > Microsoft Security Bulletin MS04-018 > | | > | > | > > | | > | > | > System Requirements > | | > | > | > Supported Operating Systems: Windows 2000 Service Pack 2, > | | > | > | > Windows 2000 Service Pack 3, Windows 2000 Service Pack 4, > | | > | > | > Windows NT, Windows XP, Windows XP Service Pack 1 > | | > | > | > This update applies to Outlook Express 6 Service Pack 1 > (SP1) > | | > | > | > with the following operating systems: > | | > | > | > > | | > | > | > Windows XP SP1 > | | > | > | > Windows XP > | | > | > | > Windows 2000 SP2 > | | > | > | > Windows 2000 SP3 > | | > | > | > Windows 2000 SP4 > | | > | > | > Windows NT 4.0 SP6A > | | > | > | > ------ > | | > | > | > > | | > | > | > The file I have saved with a date of 11/23/04 was also saved > | with > | | > the > | | > | > | > download page [same date] which reflects the above > information.: > | | > | > | > Compare to the below date. > | | > | > | > > | | > | > | > As example of one of the old iuhist containment {the < have > been > | | > | > removed}: > | | > | > | > > | | > | > | > itemStatus xmlns="" timestamp="2004-08-03T05:23:24"> > | | > | > | > identity > | | > | > | > > | | > | > > | | > > | > itemID="ie60x.internetexplorer6x.ver_platform_win32_windows.4.10.x86.en..... > | | > | > | > .com_microsoft.q823353_oe6_sp1." name="Q823353_OE6_SP1"> > | | > | > | > publisherName>com_microsoft</publisherName> > | | > | > | > language>en</language> > | | > | > | > /identity> > | | > | > | > description hidden="0"> > | | > | > | > descriptionText> > | | > | > | > title>Cumulative Security Update for Outlook Express 6 SP1 > | | > | > | > (KB823353)</title> > | | > | > | > eula href="/msdownload/update/v3/static/eula/en/eula.htm"/> > | | > | > | > details > href="http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=19527"/> > | | > | > | > /descriptionText> > | | > | > | > /description> > | | > | > | > platform name="ver_platform_win32_windows"> > | | > | > | > processorArchitecture>x86</processorArchitecture> > | | > | > | > version major="4" minor="10" build="" servicePackMajor="" > | | > | > | > servicePackMinor=""/> > | | > | > | > /platform> > | | > | > | > <downloadStatus value="COMPLETE"/> > | | > | > | > > | | > <downloadPath>c:\WUTemp\com_microsoft.Q823353_OE6_SP1</downloadPath> > | | > | > | > <client>IU_Site</client> > | | > | > | > <installStatus value="COMPLETE" needsReboot="0"/> > | | > | > | > </itemStatus> > | | > | > | > > | | > | > | > {I was wrong it wasn't part of the December update debacle.} > | | > | > | > > | | > | > | > -- > | | > | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > | | > | > | > -- > | | > | > | > _________ > | | > | > | > > | | > | > | > > | | > | > | > | | > | > > | | > | > > | | > | > | | > > | | > > | | > | > | > >
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted May 30, 2008 Posted May 30, 2008 Re: IE Running well so far Nope. The vulnerabilities aren't Critical -- just total D.O.S. to OE 6.0. Other than that, the only thing it addresses is that ~tilde~ file that started bugging so many people after 837009. And it fixes something someone forgot to do in a previous patch -- set OE 5.5 to read HTML messages in the Restricted Zone (the other versions had already been so updated, IIRC.) But it DOES entirely replace the affected files, so it of course includes all previous updates. Cumulative, IOW. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:%23cirpjewIHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > Also the FAQ shows this: > > Are Windows 98, Windows 98 Second Edition, or Windows Millennium Edition > critically affected by any of the vulnerabilities that are addressed in > this > security bulletin? > No. None of these vulnerabilities are critical in severity on Windows 98, > on > Windows 98 Second Edition, or on Windows Millennium Edition. > > > > -- > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > -- > _________ > > "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:OjabDeewIHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > | Ah, wait a minute, just re-checked the download for 823353 and its still > | showing no support, so where did you find that file which indicates 9X? > | > | -- > | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > | -- > | _________ > | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message > | news:uRoXJYewIHA.4488@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > | | Thanks Gary, when/if I get to it I will.. > | | > | | -- > | | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > | | -- > | | _________ > | | > | | "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > | | news:%23gdbWDewIHA.2360@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > | | | You (or whoever you can coerce into helping you) let me know if > you're > | | | missing any files. I'm perpetually surprised by the stuff I got > stashed > | | away > | | | on this machine... Of course, I do have several full copies of 98 > | machines > | | | that I made as quick & dirty backups before I flattened them. Plus > the > | | ones > | | | I personally collected at various times through the years... > | | | > | | | -- > | | | Gary S. Terhune > | | | MS-MVP Shell/User > | | | http://www.grystmill.com > | | | > | | | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message > | | | news:ut5IC2cwIHA.1772@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > | | | > OH NOOOO, don't assign that one to meeeee, > pleeeeeeaaaaassseee....... > | | | > > | | | > But you're right, I will likely need to go back through those old > | | | > iuhist.xml and Windows Update.log files and see exactly what was > | | removed.. > | | | > cross-check for present availability and where to find or if still > | | | > available > | | | > [which many are not], and check to see if they were > | outdated/superceded. > | | | > Maybe,,,, have to see how things go ... of course others could do > this > | | as > | | | > well.. > | | | > > | | | > -- > | | | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > | | | > -- > | | | > _________ > | | | > > | | | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > | | | > news:OR8xleVwIHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > | | | > | No, we downloaded it last night or the night before, whenever it > | was. > | | | > | > | | | > | As for it's 9x compatibility, all I knew was that it had been > | | installed > | | | > on > | | | > a > | | | > | 9x system and that the trail of KB + Security Bulletin led to a > link > | | | > that > | | | > | said, "For IESP1, all versions of Windows." And it worked. Makes > me > | | want > | | | > to > | | | > | check a few other supposedly non-9x Updates. Not enough to > actually > | do > | | | > it, > | | | > | but just a little. > | | | > | > | | | > | Actually, sounds like a job for you, <eg>. > | | | > | > | | | > | -- > | | | > | Gary S. Terhune > | | | > | MS-MVP Shell/User > | | | > | http://www.grystmill.com > | | | > | > | | | > | > | | | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message > | | | > | news:%234qcxcUwIHA.5448@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > | | | > | > 11-23-04 about two months after it was issued/offered, then > | 02-09-06 > | | | > four > | | | > | > months prior to end. > | | | > | > > | | | > | > Well, I don't know why it was removed, it isn't like several > other > | | | > updates > | | | > | > that I have large amounts of error reports saved for. > | | | > | > Your guess is as good as mine, it obviously wasn't completely > | | | > superceded > | | | > | > or > | | | > | > the older outdated update would have been removed as well. > | | | > | > > | | | > | > However, looking IN the 11-23-04 IE6.0sp1-KB823353-x86-ENU.exe > | | | > offering, > | | | > | > it > | | | > | > has no direct indication of 9X support that was normally > included. > | | The > | | | > | > INFs > | | | > | > are not the usual, yet, as I was doing at that time, it was > what > I > | | got > | | | > | > when > | | | > | > re-downloading whatever iuhist showed was installed for future > | use. > | | Be > | | | > | > interesting to see if anyone had the actual original offering. > Or > | | was > | | | > that > | | | > | > what you used? > | | | > | > > | | | > | > -- > | | | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > | | | > | > -- > | | | > | > _________ > | | | > | > > | | | > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > | | | > | > news:OmMmxNUwIHA.5584@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > | | | > | > | "...note the date..." Note what about the date? > | | | > | > | > | | | > | > | And it just goes to show you how much you can trust any > | particular > | | | > | > write-up > | | | > | > | by MS to be complete. > | | | > | > | > | | | > | > | -- > | | | > | > | Gary S. Terhune > | | | > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User > | | | > | > | http://www.grystmill.com > | | | > | > | > | | | > | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message > | | | > | > | news:O%23kHsJUwIHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > | | | > | > | > Just some further info for those who might be interested. > | | | > | > | > > | | | > | > | > Though previous 98SE iuhist.xml-s did include the update, > | here's > | | | > | > excerpts > | | | > | > | > from the download page I have saved from 02/09/2006 {note > the > | | | > date}: > | | | > | > | > > | | | > | > | > Download details: Cumulative Security Update for Outlook > | Express > | | 6 > | | | > | > Service > | | | > | > | > Pack 1 (KB823353) > | | | > | > | > > | | | > | > | > Cumulative Security Update for Outlook Express 6 Service > Pack > | 1 > | | | > | > | > (KB823353) > | | | > | > | > This update addresses the vulnerability discussed in > Microsoft > | | | > | > | > Security Bulletin MS04-018. To find out if other security > | | updates > | | | > | > | > are available for you, see the Overview section of this > page. > | | | > | > | > > | | | > | > | > Quick Info > | | | > | > | > File Name:IE6.0sp1-KB823353-x86-ENU.exe > | | | > | > | > Download Size:1950 KB > | | | > | > | > Date Published:7/14/2004 > | | | > | > | > Version:OE6 > | | | > | > | > > | | | > | > | > Cumulative Security Update for Outlook Express 6 > | | | > | > | > Service Pack 1 (KB823353) > | | | > | > | > English > | | | > | > | > > | | | > | > | > Microsoft Security Bulletin MS04-018 > | | | > | > | > > | | | > | > | > System Requirements > | | | > | > | > Supported Operating Systems: Windows 2000 Service Pack 2, > | | | > | > | > Windows 2000 Service Pack 3, Windows 2000 Service Pack 4, > | | | > | > | > Windows NT, Windows XP, Windows XP Service Pack 1 > | | | > | > | > This update applies to Outlook Express 6 Service Pack 1 > (SP1) > | | | > | > | > with the following operating systems: > | | | > | > | > > | | | > | > | > Windows XP SP1 > | | | > | > | > Windows XP > | | | > | > | > Windows 2000 SP2 > | | | > | > | > Windows 2000 SP3 > | | | > | > | > Windows 2000 SP4 > | | | > | > | > Windows NT 4.0 SP6A > | | | > | > | > ------ > | | | > | > | > > | | | > | > | > The file I have saved with a date of 11/23/04 was also > saved > | | with > | | | > the > | | | > | > | > download page [same date] which reflects the above > | information.: > | | | > | > | > Compare to the below date. > | | | > | > | > > | | | > | > | > As example of one of the old iuhist containment {the < > have > | been > | | | > | > removed}: > | | | > | > | > > | | | > | > | > itemStatus xmlns="" timestamp="2004-08-03T05:23:24"> > | | | > | > | > identity > | | | > | > | > > | | | > | > > | | | > > | | > | > itemID="ie60x.internetexplorer6x.ver_platform_win32_windows.4.10.x86.en..... > | | | > | > | > .com_microsoft.q823353_oe6_sp1." name="Q823353_OE6_SP1"> > | | | > | > | > publisherName>com_microsoft</publisherName> > | | | > | > | > language>en</language> > | | | > | > | > /identity> > | | | > | > | > description hidden="0"> > | | | > | > | > descriptionText> > | | | > | > | > title>Cumulative Security Update for Outlook Express 6 SP1 > | | | > | > | > (KB823353)</title> > | | | > | > | > eula > href="/msdownload/update/v3/static/eula/en/eula.htm"/> > | | | > | > | > details > href="http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=19527"/> > | | | > | > | > /descriptionText> > | | | > | > | > /description> > | | | > | > | > platform name="ver_platform_win32_windows"> > | | | > | > | > processorArchitecture>x86</processorArchitecture> > | | | > | > | > version major="4" minor="10" build="" servicePackMajor="" > | | | > | > | > servicePackMinor=""/> > | | | > | > | > /platform> > | | | > | > | > <downloadStatus value="COMPLETE"/> > | | | > | > | > > | | | > > <downloadPath>c:\WUTemp\com_microsoft.Q823353_OE6_SP1</downloadPath> > | | | > | > | > <client>IU_Site</client> > | | | > | > | > <installStatus value="COMPLETE" needsReboot="0"/> > | | | > | > | > </itemStatus> > | | | > | > | > > | | | > | > | > {I was wrong it wasn't part of the December update > debacle.} > | | | > | > | > > | | | > | > | > -- > | | | > | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > | | | > | > | > -- > | | | > | > | > _________ > | | | > | > | > > | | | > | > | > > | | | > | > | > | | | > | > > | | | > | > > | | | > | > | | | > > | | | > > | | | > | | > | | > | > | > >
Guest CdLSRN Posted May 30, 2008 Posted May 30, 2008 Re: What is Quick Time Re: What is Quick Time I'm impressed!! Thank you for doing all that. Ginny "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:%23bI12MdwIHA.3760@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > Gary, you're wrong or uninformed. > > Check out the comparisons to the newest Linux clones verses XP [or even > VISTA]. You can't ignore where the world is moving. Microsoft doesn't and is > concerned. Between Apple and these clones, Microsoft has to rely upon > uniformed people to use its OSs, and coerce manufactures to follow its > designs, and force the use of its OSs. > > XP may suit your purposes, obviously it does, but that means little. > Wouldn't you rather run an OS which can be changed today, rather than > waiting a month or never, to have something fixed. Wouldn't you rather have > manufacturers working WITH users, rather than with Microsoft. Wouldn't you > rather have thousands of code knowledgeable people helping to protect you > [with the opposite of course, but that's in Windows also so the comparison > is negated]. > Don't you wonder why Windows is supposedly mostly a secret coding, yet just > about everyone can hack it [from 7 or 8 year olds up]? Why would you support > a system in which the key features cause numerous issues of their own? > > Ask yourself why you WOULD ignore these things, why you fight so > desperately to further an OS which you admit is not what it purports to > be.... Your ideas and arguments fall flat, by your own writings... > > Gary, the reason I'M here, is I have a small part in this monster called > Microsoft. I participated in the very earliest stages, provided the error > reports and suggestions, downloaded by long distance and at MY cost the > files by 2400 then 14.4 then 33.6 modem, defended [verbally] the parties who > brought windows to the business world and were FIRED AND SUED for doing so, > did the beta testing until Microsoft started CHARGING [how dense am I, ah > yeah, I supply the computer system which Microsoft trashes and which I PAY > to have trashed] and a number of other things which I now regret.... no > matter how trivial or insignificant my part or input was, this 9X > environment is something I participated in and THOUGHT the world needed [it > was, it brought computing to the masses as you indicate]. The NT > environment, which I also worked with though NEVER recommended, has, per my > own testing, never been a good replacement for Unix or other servers. That > it was forced into the home environment under false pretences is something I > can not support. My position on XP was stated YEARS ago in this group, I > will never recommend it unless something changes, which SP3 did not > completely do. > > -- > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > -- > _________ > > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > news:uLSizKVwIHA.5584@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message > | news:O7NB9RUwIHA.576@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > | > Let's just end this with a fact: > | > > | > Microsoft is attempting to foster open source for its proposed newer > | > operating systems... think you can guess WHY... and that pretty much > ends > | > any debate about just how good XP and Vista are.... > | > | Don't be obtuse. That's about as ridiculous a piece of logic as you've > | launched all day. IF MS is trying to coopt the open source community > (which > | is what you claim amounts to), it's because they can't come up with what > | they WANTED Vista to be, a whole new OS with a whole new file system and > | everything else that everyone, including me, knows are weak points in > 2K/XP. > | > | Whereas the "debate" we *were* having, until you changed it again, was one > | of comparative OSes that NOW EXIST. I never claimed that XP was the cat's > | meow, that it doesn't need replacing, and teh sooner the better. It's just > a > | LOT better than Windows 9x in almost all respects, and, for the mass > | consumer, the only reasonable choice available. (Careful, well-off persons > | might choose Mac, instead, especially since they made it run Windows > | decently, but only geeks run Linux distros.) > | > | Doesn't mean I think XP is bad, either. I've been using XP since before > RTM > | and for a lot of various types of real work, using lots of major apps and > | minor apps, updating, etc., etc. There have been some stumbles, but > nothing > | so catastrophic as I'd regularly run into using Win9x, nor as frequent, > etc. > | I have an abiding appreciation for XP's robustness and breadth of possible > | functionality compared to 9x, based upon real use. Lastly, like I said, I > | used them both for real work, and didn't have time to figure out anything > of > | the Linux flavor. > | > | I learned 98 when I was disabled and living in a tiny travel trailer. Once > I > | found them in the beginning of '99, I had time to participate in the > groups, > | tear 98 apart, try all kinds of apps, all kinds of cinfigurations, some > | hardware changes, even ran a virus just to see what it did, to report to > | this group. I used my 98 Upgrade CD, purchased the day it came out, to > | reinstall my P200 system many hundreds of times in just a few short > months. > | Etc., etc. But then I had to go back to work, and didn't have time for > much > | of that (relatively). And now my brain doesn't work well enough to learn. > No > | retention. Which is why I haven't even moved to supporting XP. Not > qualified > | and not up to becoming so. > | > | Once I get a bit more on my feet (maybe next winter), I'll see how Linux > has > | matured. Last time I tried it (before XP came out) every distro I tried > was > | a misrerable failure. I don't want to HAVE to build the entire OS from > | scratch, practically, just to get my machine running. Didn't even get to > | find out if I could get real work done on them. (I was in the publishing > | business. Lots of graphics work. I also made money building Access apps > and > | other odd but very demanding projects.) So, you think any of the distros > are > | going to make me happy? Will any of them run Photoshop? (No, there is NO > | replacement for Photoshop!) > | > | > Sorry not really in this type of debating mood at the moment, still > stuck > | > in Legal mode [local and distant]... > | > | Sorry, you started it. You want it finished, just stop replying. As for > the > | legal blah blah, best wishes. > | > | -- > | Gary S. Terhune > | MS-MVP Shell/User > | http://www.grystmill.com > | > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > | > news:uHaakITwIHA.3968@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > | > | > | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message > | > | news:e39giUSwIHA.3484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > | > | > > | > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > | > | > news:O6TJ5MPwIHA.4564@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > | > | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message > | > | > | news:OWeKt3OwIHA.516@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > | > | > | > > | > | > | > > | > | > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > | > | > | > news:%23k1oCnOwIHA.516@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > | > | > | > | Windows XP is no more a POS than 98. I don't use Vista so I > | > can't > | > | > | > comment, > | > | > | > | but I imagine it's the same thing, though I tend to think of > | > Vista > | > | > as > | > | > | > XP's > | > | > | > | ME. As for your hardware argument, that's total BS. Windows 98 > | > lost > | > | > it's > | > | > | > | market share (dropped into the low single-digits) long before > | > new > | > | > | > hardware > | > | > | > | stopped supporting it. > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | People LIKE operating systems that just work. Windows XP is > and > | > | > always > | > | > | > has > | > | > | > | been more robust than 98. That's why IT people like it (go > | > ahead, > | > | > show > | > | > | > me > | > | > | > a > | > | > | > | survey of IT's where 98 is compared favorably with other > | > systems.) > | > | > | > That's > | > | > | > | why home users and SOHO users and everyone else like XP. As > for > | > | > | > security, > | > | > | > | the only difference between now on XP and then on 98 is in the > | > | > details. > | > | > | > > | > | > | > IT goes for what's EASY to use, what seems to be hot, and are > just > | > as > | > | > | > easily mislead as any other party. > | > | > | > Just as the home user THOUGHT they were getting a much more > secure > | > | > system, > | > | > | > so did IT. Just as the home user doesn't want to spend much time > | > | > learning > | > | > | > how to use a computer, so does IT. > | > | > | > The relational charcturistics between home and IT or other > | > | > professionals > | > | > | > runs parallel. Look on the one hand at IT trying to secure their > | > | > systems, > | > | > | > and the other; the web development department attempting to > create > | > new > | > | > | > ways > | > | > | > to garner more information via script and other... how smart is > | > this. > | > | > | > | > | > | And your point is? What you describe is how it's always been, and > in > | > | > fact > | > | > I > | > | > | DO say that XP makes ALL of those tasks easier. And what makes you > | > think > | > | > | that IT or home users consider Security the main consideration > when > | > | > | purchasing a new system? If they know anything, they know it's a > | > | > constant > | > | > | battle no matter what system you're using, particularly if it's > the > | > OS > | > | > that > | > | > | has 80% of the market and makes such a nice big target. They rely > | > upon > | > | > MS > | > | > | and third parties to protect their systems. If they are just as > | > savvy > | > in > | > | > | other things, they'll never have to deal with malware. I certainly > | > | > don't, > | > | > | and only one or two recalcitrants amongst my clientelle have any > | > serious > | > | > | problems with their XP systems once I give them "the talk". On the > | > other > | > | > | hand, I have a few 9x clients left, and they are STILL calling me > | > every > | > | > few > | > | > | months, asking if I can come and clean up some mess. > | > | > > | > | > Due to>>>> their improper use, same for XP. Because they can't take > | > the > | > | > time to learn what they are doing.. > | > | > I referenced what was occurring years ago {1992} its called > | > Stupification > | > | > [yeah that's mis-spelled. > | > | > | > | Why should every car driver be a mechanic (I shudder to think...) > Should > | > | every eater also be a full time farmer? What chaos! Computers are > | > | appliances, nothing more. They feed the needs of society, not the > | > reverse. > | > | They just need to work in the real world, and only the *heavily* > | > restricted > | > | Apple offerings do that better than Windows PCs. > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > The market you reference, showing usage reflects only that > people > | > CAN > | > | > be > | > | > | > convinced to use products which they actually know nothing > about, > | > just > | > | > | > because its easier to use and happens to be widely accepted, and > | > | > hardware > | > | > | > support has NOT been provided in the previous OS, though much of > | > it > | > | > could > | > | > | > have been by simple updates.... so it isn't necessarily a > | > | > | > better/easier/just > | > | > | > works OS, its a forced upgrade to get what you want or think you > | > need, > | > | > or > | > | > | > does some more setup FOR YOU. > | > | > | > | > | > | Blah, blah. The consumer market tends to buy what's new when they > | > look > | > | > for > | > | > | replacements after a few years of using the old one. That's > | > capitalism > | > | > for > | > | > | you, not a reasonable comparison of OSes. Again, that's the way > it's > | > | > always > | > | > | been, and Luddite is the term for people who refuse to > participate. > | > | > Wanna > | > | > be > | > | > | a Luddite, OK, but the above is a false argument if you're > comparing > | > the > | > | > | OSes on their own merits. When it comes to a decision between XP > and > | > 98 > | > | > (and > | > | > | I'm talking about when XP first came out): Hardware support and > | > | > installation > | > | > | is a snap. BSODs are rare, (yes, even in those early days.) After > | > the > | > | > | nightmares in Win9x and NT4 (even Win2K) up to that point in time, > | > just > | > | > | those two items probably sold half the units. The whole point is > | > that > | > | > for > | > | > | most people, they can run Windows without any major problems, with > | > about > | > | > as > | > | > | much learning involved as most people can stand, and the support > is > | > | > second > | > | > | only to Apple. People who don't trust Windows use Apple, which has > | > its > | > | > own > | > | > | multitude of drawbacks. Just who is going to support your Linux > | > distros. > | > | > > | > | > DUUUUUUUHHHHH, the people who work with it, write the drivers, > produce > | > the > | > | > applications,, THE PEOPLE OF THE WORLD... seems that's like in here > | > and > | > on > | > | > the XP and VISTA suport forums, only in those Linux groups you're > | > likely > | > | > discussing the issues with the actual programmer [error, okay wait > | > minute > | > | > I > | > | > think I know what needs changed,,, okay try this and see if that > | > corrects > | > | > the issue *or* that particular chip has a bug in it, I can't fix it > | > | > without > | > | > breaking others, but here's a work around Bob worked out which > | > addresses > | > | > it]....... > | > | > | > | Have you ever learned the concept of scale? What happens when your > | > distro > | > | writer gets sick, or just sick of people, or even dead? I know, you'll > | > say > | > | that if the distro has "legs" it will develop a decent cadre of people > | > | willing to help with it, but will there also be an ever widening > circle > | > of > | > | happy *programmers* ready to do the same? Or will we pay them via > | > PayPal? > | > | > | > | The Linux concept may some day mature (though I personally think it > has > | > some > | > | fatal flaws), but that day is still far off. Until then, Windows is > it. > | > | > | > | > SO where's your ludite comparison now... in the toilet... being one > of > | > the > | > | > cattle has never been my strong suit. > | > | > | > | Luddite is the perfect word. Your entire spiel brings to mind > | > clippety-clop > | > | music and horse & carriage, though nicely pastoral, scenes (I'm an > | > American, > | > | after all). Whether you "moo" or not is up to you. > | > | > | > | > And YEEEEAAAAHHHHHH, they can *barely* run Windows, until they mess > | > | > something up, or Microsoft breaks something in one of is updates [as > | > | > usual]///// and then we try to help, like we like to do. > | > | > | > | If you lived in the real world, you'd know that you just reaffirmed my > > | > | entire thesis. IME, once they learn the basics, MOST people don't need > | > much > | > | programming/hardware help with their Windows XP systems. Not from > other > | > | people. Certainly not as much as they need(ed) with Win9x, by orders > of > | > | magnitude. And, again by orders of magnitude, not nearly as much as > any > | > | other OS -- except Mac, because you pay through the nose for > stability. > | > | > | > | > | > If they actually knew much or had an actual desire to learn, > | > they'd > | > be > | > | > | > using one of the Linux clones or other OS. Were it not for the > | > DEEP > | > | > | > relationship with manufacturers that Microsoft now has, Windows > | > | > wouldn't > | > | > | > be > | > | > | > anywhere near the usage level that it is; between the two > FORCING > | > | > Windows > | > | > | > usage > | > | > | > | > | > | Hey, you seem to know a lot. Why are you using Windows? You've got > | > so > | > | > many > | > | > | other choices and you already KNOW that all versions of Windows > are > | > POS. > | > | > | > | > | > | -- > | > | > | Gary S. Terhune > | > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User > | > | > | http://www.grystmill.com > | > | > > | > | > Right, the usual "well you're running Windows" so STF, but I also > ran > | > | > Linux, Xenix, and several other OSs... but I suppose I'm supposed to > | > be > | > a > | > | > mindless Windows junky, blindly following the masses, lauding the > | > VIRTUES > | > | > of > | > | > the newest release or whatever is the supposed best version. Don't > you > | > see > | > | > the comparison to what's occurring now,,, the resistence to move to > | > VISTA, > | > | > the spouting of the VALUE of XP as it draws near to support end, its > | > | > already > | > | > marked for death,,, how can you FAIL to see the comparison to 98 and > | > what > | > | > occurred... what then, spouting how VISTA is now the OS of > choice,the > | > | > super > | > | > sophisicated, unfailingly superior,, or maybe the new Version 7,, > | > yep... > | > | > ride that train, or stand back and look at what is occurring > | > | > | > | Hey, I just figured you'd have much better places to be. Where you > could > | > | help other users with your *preferred* OS/distro. Sheesh! My question > | > was > | > | serious: If Windows is such a POS in general, why do you devote so > much > | > time > | > | to it? Now that I think about it, and from what you've said, I can't > | > believe > | > | you actually run it. You wouldn't be that, er, imprudent. But... > | > then.... > | > | > | > | Vista will be passed over much like ME, and for much the same reasons, > | > | though perhaps with a better numbers showing than ME, even in relative > | > | terms. It's a mongrel. Can't really DO anything that XP can't, and > what > | > they > | > | DID add that isn't just eye-candy, what they actually did at the > system > | > | level, they did very poorly, and I'm not talking about the kinds of > | > things > | > | you fix with a patch or even an SP. XP Professional can certainly > handle > | > | basic hardware developments for some time to come. > | > | > | > | The next Windows system will, as I said, have to be an entirely new > | > | paradigm. If it can't be that, we may as well stay with WinXP or > switch > | > | provider altogether. But any replacement for Microsoft will have to > deal > | > | with scale and capitalism* as well as Microsoft. Got any candidates? > | > | > | > | (*Mass capitalism, where "easy" and "convenient" are the ruling > | > paradigms, > | > | not "cheap" and certainly not "quality". In fact, now that I think > about > | > it, > | > | your notions are more than a little communistic, and while I won't > | > debate > | > | you capitalism vs. communism (we'd probably agree too much to make the > | > | conversation worth it), we live in a raw, capitalistic world.) > | > | > | > | -- > | > | Gary S. Terhune > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User > | > | http://www.grystmill.com > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | As for security, the main issues involve IE and OE and if > Win9x > | > was > | > | > | > | supported, they'd be getting just as many patches. As for > other > | > | > things > | > | > | > that > | > | > | > | needed fixing, 9x had just as many in relative terms. > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | Look, ANY argument that compares OS security and DOESN'T take > | > into > | > | > | > account > | > | > | > | market share, the "biggest bang for the buck" operational > theory > | > of > | > | > | > malware > | > | > | > | writers, etc., is pure sophistry. > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | And you didn't deny my original premise, did you? > | > | > | > > | > | > | > It wouldn't do any good, but I can see you would be willing to > | > defend > | > | > your > | > | > | > position, I knew you would ;-].. > | > | > | > > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | -- > | > | > | > | Gary S. Terhune > | > | > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User > | > | > | > | http://www.grystmill.com > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message > | > | > | > | news:%23l7eJaOwIHA.1240@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > | > | > | > | > QT can be used locally, or one can find codex to handle that > | > | > format > | > | > in > | > | > | > | > some > | > | > | > | > other player which IS being supported. > | > | > | > | > > | > | > | > | > Right, you DO say that constantly, and you also attempt to > | > foster > | > | > the > | > | > | > | > notion that XP has become the world's favorite because its > | > just > | > so > | > | > | > good > | > | > | > | > and > | > | > | > | > secure, BS, the reason for increased usage is that it is > | > difficult > | > | > to > | > | > | > find > | > | > | > | > computer's to support 9X, leaving the only viable Windows > | > choice > | > | > as > | > | > | > XP, > | > | > | > | > and > | > | > | > | > VISTA is still such a PITA. Try not to buy into the garbage > | > spewed > | > | > by > | > | > | > | > media > | > | > | > | > and others... OR if you wish, we CAN discuss the POS XP > which > | > I > | > | > DID > | > | > | > spend > | > | > | > | > considerable time testing and monitoring... how good its,,, > | > look > | > | > HERE: > | > | > | > | > > | > | > | > | > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/946480/en-us > | > | > | > | > > | > | > | > | > Think everything is fixed,,, guess again... > | > | > | > | > > | > | > | > | > -- > | > | > | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > | > | > | > | > -- > | > | > | > | > _________ > | > | > | > > | > | > | > -- > | > | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > | > | > | > -- > | > | > | > _________ > | > | > | > > | > | > | > > | > | > | > | > > | > | > | > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > | > | > | > | > news:uKoNOPOwIHA.3760@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > | > | > | > | > | I already told you, that machine has had EVERYTHING > | > installed > | > on > | > | > it > | > | > | > at > | > | > | > | > one > | > | > | > | > | time or another, and been through several ISPs and their > | > | > | > | > branding/helpful > | > | > | > | > | software, etc. > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | But what should she do if she needs QT to play something? > | > After > | > | > all, > | > | > | > | > what > | > | > | > | > | you say about QT on Windows 98 could be said about Win98 > | > itself. > | > | > In > | > | > | > | > fact, > | > | > | > | > I > | > | > | > | > | say it fairly regularly in places where people might > | > actually > | > | > | > listen. > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | -- > | > | > | > | > | Gary S. Terhune > | > | > | > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User > | > | > | > | > | http://www.grystmill.com > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message > | > | > | > | > | news:uzyZhGOwIHA.1504@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > | > | > | > | > | > Apple's QuickTime for 98 has not been supported for some > | > time. > | > | > It > | > | > | > is > | > | > | > a > | > | > | > | > | > security risk, and is severely outdated. > | > | > | > | > | > Unless you have some special need to use it online, do > not > | > | > allow > | > | > | > it > | > | > | > | > access > | > | > | > | > | > to the Internet. > | > | > | > | > | > > | > | > | > | > | > Are you using AOL or some other ISP which installed this > | > for > | > | > you? > | > | > | > | > | > > | > | > | > | > | > -- > | > | > | > | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > | > | > | > | > | > -- > | > | > | > | > | > _________ > | > | > | > | > | > > | > | > | > | > | > "Tim Slattery" <Slattery_T@bls.gov> wrote in message > | > | > | > | > | > news:fa1r3490ic78jqm9d8p4mkkvf84r0rcg82@4ax.com... > | > | > | > | > | > | "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote: > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | >Could someone please tell me what Quick Time is? > Sygate > | > | > says > | > | > it > | > | > | > was > | > | > | > | > | > critical that I > | > | > | > | > | > | >had approved a whole bunch of new dlls for Quick > Time, > | > and > | > | > I > | > | > | > don't > | > | > | > | > even > | > | > | > | > | > remember what > | > | > | > | > | > | >it is. Ginny > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | QuickTime is Apple's video player. It plays *.mov and > | > *.mp4 > | > | > | > files, > | > | > | > | > | > | which Windows Media Player will not. Installing it > will > | > also > | > | > get > | > | > | > you > | > | > | > | > | > | endless nags from Apple to upgrade it and iTunes > | > (whether > | > | > you > | > | > | > have > | > | > | > | > | > | iTunes or not). > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | -- > | > | > | > | > | > | Tim Slattery > | > | > | > | > | > | MS MVP(Shell/User) > | > | > | > | > | > | Slattery_T@bls.gov > | > | > | > | > | > | http://members.cox.net/slatteryt > | > | > > | > | > -- > | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > | > | > -- > | > | > _________ > | > | > > | > | > > | > | > > | > | > | > > | > > | > >
Guest MEB Posted May 30, 2008 Posted May 30, 2008 Re: IE Running well so far Well that may be, I'm still trying to figure it out,,, not even the file, as previously mentioned, has the usual inclusions, yet WAS once installed by WU as a critical update in 98SE. More of Microsoft's unusual behavior, maybe it was off its meds when it was pushing installation before.. who knows, if it works I guess do it.. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com -- _________ "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message news:%23UWSxxewIHA.1236@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... | Did I say it says anywhere that Win9x is "supported"? If I did, I was | mistaking it with another quite similar download yesterday, one of the MSXML | patches (thought it turns out the second one of those didn't install on 9x.) | | All I know is that it works, so I gotta figure it's called censorship of the | literature. | | -- | Gary S. Terhune | MS-MVP Shell/User | http://www.grystmill.com | | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | news:OjabDeewIHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... | > Ah, wait a minute, just re-checked the download for 823353 and its still | > showing no support, so where did you find that file which indicates 9X? | > | > -- | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | > -- | > _________ | > | > "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | > news:uRoXJYewIHA.4488@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... | > | Thanks Gary, when/if I get to it I will.. | > | | > | -- | > | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | > | -- | > | _________ | > | | > | "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | > | news:%23gdbWDewIHA.2360@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... | > | | You (or whoever you can coerce into helping you) let me know if you're | > | | missing any files. I'm perpetually surprised by the stuff I got | > stashed | > | away | > | | on this machine... Of course, I do have several full copies of 98 | > machines | > | | that I made as quick & dirty backups before I flattened them. Plus the | > | ones | > | | I personally collected at various times through the years... | > | | | > | | -- | > | | Gary S. Terhune | > | | MS-MVP Shell/User | > | | http://www.grystmill.com | > | | | > | | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | > | | news:ut5IC2cwIHA.1772@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... | > | | > OH NOOOO, don't assign that one to meeeee, | > pleeeeeeaaaaassseee....... | > | | > | > | | > But you're right, I will likely need to go back through those old | > | | > iuhist.xml and Windows Update.log files and see exactly what was | > | removed.. | > | | > cross-check for present availability and where to find or if still | > | | > available | > | | > [which many are not], and check to see if they were | > outdated/superceded. | > | | > Maybe,,,, have to see how things go ... of course others could do | > this | > | as | > | | > well.. | > | | > | > | | > -- | > | | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | > | | > -- | > | | > _________ | > | | > | > | | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | > | | > news:OR8xleVwIHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... | > | | > | No, we downloaded it last night or the night before, whenever it | > was. | > | | > | | > | | > | As for it's 9x compatibility, all I knew was that it had been | > | installed | > | | > on | > | | > a | > | | > | 9x system and that the trail of KB + Security Bulletin led to a | > link | > | | > that | > | | > | said, "For IESP1, all versions of Windows." And it worked. Makes | > me | > | want | > | | > to | > | | > | check a few other supposedly non-9x Updates. Not enough to | > actually | > do | > | | > it, | > | | > | but just a little. | > | | > | | > | | > | Actually, sounds like a job for you, <eg>. | > | | > | | > | | > | -- | > | | > | Gary S. Terhune | > | | > | MS-MVP Shell/User | > | | > | http://www.grystmill.com | > | | > | | > | | > | | > | | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | > | | > | news:%234qcxcUwIHA.5448@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... | > | | > | > 11-23-04 about two months after it was issued/offered, then | > 02-09-06 | > | | > four | > | | > | > months prior to end. | > | | > | > | > | | > | > Well, I don't know why it was removed, it isn't like several | > other | > | | > updates | > | | > | > that I have large amounts of error reports saved for. | > | | > | > Your guess is as good as mine, it obviously wasn't completely | > | | > superceded | > | | > | > or | > | | > | > the older outdated update would have been removed as well. | > | | > | > | > | | > | > However, looking IN the 11-23-04 IE6.0sp1-KB823353-x86-ENU.exe | > | | > offering, | > | | > | > it | > | | > | > has no direct indication of 9X support that was normally | > included. | > | The | > | | > | > INFs | > | | > | > are not the usual, yet, as I was doing at that time, it was what | > I | > | got | > | | > | > when | > | | > | > re-downloading whatever iuhist showed was installed for future | > use. | > | Be | > | | > | > interesting to see if anyone had the actual original offering. | > Or | > | was | > | | > that | > | | > | > what you used? | > | | > | > | > | | > | > -- | > | | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | > | | > | > -- | > | | > | > _________ | > | | > | > | > | | > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | > | | > | > news:OmMmxNUwIHA.5584@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... | > | | > | > | "...note the date..." Note what about the date? | > | | > | > | | > | | > | > | And it just goes to show you how much you can trust any | > particular | > | | > | > write-up | > | | > | > | by MS to be complete. | > | | > | > | | > | | > | > | -- | > | | > | > | Gary S. Terhune | > | | > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User | > | | > | > | http://www.grystmill.com | > | | > | > | | > | | > | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | > | | > | > | news:O%23kHsJUwIHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... | > | | > | > | > Just some further info for those who might be interested. | > | | > | > | > | > | | > | > | > Though previous 98SE iuhist.xml-s did include the update, | > here's | > | | > | > excerpts | > | | > | > | > from the download page I have saved from 02/09/2006 {note | > the | > | | > date}: | > | | > | > | > | > | | > | > | > Download details: Cumulative Security Update for Outlook | > Express | > | 6 | > | | > | > Service | > | | > | > | > Pack 1 (KB823353) | > | | > | > | > | > | | > | > | > Cumulative Security Update for Outlook Express 6 Service | > Pack | > 1 | > | | > | > | > (KB823353) | > | | > | > | > This update addresses the vulnerability discussed in | > Microsoft | > | | > | > | > Security Bulletin MS04-018. To find out if other security | > | updates | > | | > | > | > are available for you, see the Overview section of this | > page. | > | | > | > | > | > | | > | > | > Quick Info | > | | > | > | > File Name:IE6.0sp1-KB823353-x86-ENU.exe | > | | > | > | > Download Size:1950 KB | > | | > | > | > Date Published:7/14/2004 | > | | > | > | > Version:OE6 | > | | > | > | > | > | | > | > | > Cumulative Security Update for Outlook Express 6 | > | | > | > | > Service Pack 1 (KB823353) | > | | > | > | > English | > | | > | > | > | > | | > | > | > Microsoft Security Bulletin MS04-018 | > | | > | > | > | > | | > | > | > System Requirements | > | | > | > | > Supported Operating Systems: Windows 2000 Service Pack 2, | > | | > | > | > Windows 2000 Service Pack 3, Windows 2000 Service Pack 4, | > | | > | > | > Windows NT, Windows XP, Windows XP Service Pack 1 | > | | > | > | > This update applies to Outlook Express 6 Service Pack 1 | > (SP1) | > | | > | > | > with the following operating systems: | > | | > | > | > | > | | > | > | > Windows XP SP1 | > | | > | > | > Windows XP | > | | > | > | > Windows 2000 SP2 | > | | > | > | > Windows 2000 SP3 | > | | > | > | > Windows 2000 SP4 | > | | > | > | > Windows NT 4.0 SP6A | > | | > | > | > ------ | > | | > | > | > | > | | > | > | > The file I have saved with a date of 11/23/04 was also saved | > | with | > | | > the | > | | > | > | > download page [same date] which reflects the above | > information.: | > | | > | > | > Compare to the below date. | > | | > | > | > | > | | > | > | > As example of one of the old iuhist containment {the < have | > been | > | | > | > removed}: | > | | > | > | > | > | | > | > | > itemStatus xmlns="" timestamp="2004-08-03T05:23:24"> | > | | > | > | > identity | > | | > | > | > | > | | > | > | > | | > | > | | > itemID="ie60x.internetexplorer6x.ver_platform_win32_windows.4.10.x86.en..... | > | | > | > | > .com_microsoft.q823353_oe6_sp1." name="Q823353_OE6_SP1"> | > | | > | > | > publisherName>com_microsoft</publisherName> | > | | > | > | > language>en</language> | > | | > | > | > /identity> | > | | > | > | > description hidden="0"> | > | | > | > | > descriptionText> | > | | > | > | > title>Cumulative Security Update for Outlook Express 6 SP1 | > | | > | > | > (KB823353)</title> | > | | > | > | > eula href="/msdownload/update/v3/static/eula/en/eula.htm"/> | > | | > | > | > details | > href="http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=19527"/> | > | | > | > | > /descriptionText> | > | | > | > | > /description> | > | | > | > | > platform name="ver_platform_win32_windows"> | > | | > | > | > processorArchitecture>x86</processorArchitecture> | > | | > | > | > version major="4" minor="10" build="" servicePackMajor="" | > | | > | > | > servicePackMinor=""/> | > | | > | > | > /platform> | > | | > | > | > <downloadStatus value="COMPLETE"/> | > | | > | > | > | > | | > <downloadPath>c:\WUTemp\com_microsoft.Q823353_OE6_SP1</downloadPath> | > | | > | > | > <client>IU_Site</client> | > | | > | > | > <installStatus value="COMPLETE" needsReboot="0"/> | > | | > | > | > </itemStatus> | > | | > | > | > | > | | > | > | > {I was wrong it wasn't part of the December update debacle.} | > | | > | > | > | > | | > | > | > -- | > | | > | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | > | | > | > | > -- | > | | > | > | > _________ | > | | > | > | > | > | | > | > | > | > | | > | > | | > | | > | > | > | | > | > | > | | > | | > | | > | > | | > | > | | | > | | > | | > | > |
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted May 30, 2008 Posted May 30, 2008 Re: What is Quick Time Re: What is Quick Time That was harsh, and so I should add... Yes, 98 was great. But you know as well as I do that it had fatal flaws. It *had* to be replaced. Then we got what we got from MS, which I recognize as an attempt to create a master OS that would run in all kinds of "interwoven" devices. Nobody else has come close to stepping up to the plate, yet. Numbers don't lie, Linux distros are flat, and it's not like they aren't being marketed. Then there's the most recent thing to decently boost Mac sales. The ability to run Windows XP decently using a VM! -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message news:%23dJr$aewIHA.4492@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > > "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:%23bI12MdwIHA.3760@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> Gary, you're wrong or uninformed. > > Hey, I'm just looking at the numbers. > >> Check out the comparisons to the newest Linux clones verses XP [or even >> VISTA]. You can't ignore where the world is moving. Microsoft doesn't and >> is >> concerned. Between Apple and these clones, Microsoft has to rely upon >> uniformed people to use its OSs, and coerce manufactures to follow its >> designs, and force the use of its OSs. > > Again, the story is in the numbers -- FACTS. And again, capitalism is a > FACT. The vast uninformed society is a FACT. Apple's upper-level quality > (and price) are FACTS. Microsoft's predatory practices are FACTS. I don't > dispute that "the world is moving", but it's moving at a snail's pace > toward something nobody can yet foresee. > >> XP may suit your purposes, obviously it does, but that means little. > > Means a heck of a lot to me and everyone who uses it! > >> Wouldn't you rather run an OS which can be changed today, rather than >> waiting a month or never, to have something fixed. > > No. I would not want my machine used as a test box every day. > >>Wouldn't you rather have >> manufacturers working WITH users, rather than with Microsoft. > > Work with users in what way? I'd rather the hardware and the OS code got > along, thank you, and I don't think it should be the OS getting changed > every day in order to keep up with every whim of every hardware developer > out there, much less the hardware manufacturers' "users". Again, you are > describing chaos. > >>Wouldn't you >> rather have thousands of code knowledgeable people helping to protect you >> [with the opposite of course, but that's in Windows also so the >> comparison >> is negated]. > > Where do you get these "thousands of code-knowledgeable people"? And how > am I supposed to choose who to listen to? No, now that I think abou tit, > the LAST thing I want is a bunch of "code-knowledgeable people" helping > me. I want other USERS helping me. I want the code people to busy > themselves keeping the code in good order and I want them to ALL BE ON THE > SAME TEAM! > >> Don't you wonder why Windows is supposedly mostly a secret coding, yet >> just >> about everyone can hack it [from 7 or 8 year olds up]? Why would you >> support >> a system in which the key features cause numerous issues of their own? > > No, I never wondered that. I knew the answer without having to actually > ask the question. It's akin to a law of nature. But you imply that the > other OSes are hack proof, or inherently less insecure, that they are > without faults in logic, without vulnerabilities just as nasty as the ones > you bemoan in WIndows, and that's a crock. > > And you still don't get it -- I have no big attachment to XP other than > it's what gets the job done for me and none of the others could come > close. My only other observation is that XP/Vista appear to be maintaining > their share, or losing it at a snails pace at worst, and that this is due > to basic capitalism. Microsoft, or anyone who seeks to replace them, need > a brand new bag altogether, but I prefer the current state of affairs to > the chaos you describe. > >> Ask yourself why you WOULD ignore these things, why you fight so >> desperately to further an OS which you admit is not what it purports to >> be.... Your ideas and arguments fall flat, by your own writings... > > How is it that you keep seeing me as "fighting" for XP/Vista/whatever? I > have no dog in this fight. I just want the winner when the dust settles. > For the last several years, that's been Windows XP and now this mongrel > Vista. > >> Gary, the reason I'M here, is I have a small part in this monster called >> Microsoft. I participated in the very earliest stages, provided the error >> reports and suggestions, downloaded by long distance and at MY cost the >> files by 2400 then 14.4 then 33.6 modem, defended [verbally] the parties >> who >> brought windows to the business world and were FIRED AND SUED for doing >> so, >> did the beta testing until Microsoft started CHARGING [how dense am I, ah >> yeah, I supply the computer system which Microsoft trashes and which I >> PAY >> to have trashed] and a number of other things which I now regret.... no >> matter how trivial or insignificant my part or input was, this 9X >> environment is something I participated in and THOUGHT the world needed >> [it >> was, it brought computing to the masses as you indicate]. The NT >> environment, which I also worked with though NEVER recommended, has, per >> my >> own testing, never been a good replacement for Unix or other servers. >> That >> it was forced into the home environment under false pretences is >> something I >> can not support. My position on XP was stated YEARS ago in this group, I >> will never recommend it unless something changes, which SP3 did not >> completely do. > > As PA Bear implied, you tend toward the Quixotic. I don't care about your > theories and academic opinions, your howling in the night. Your worldview > is at odds with reality. > > -- > Gary S. Terhune > MS-MVP Shell/User > http://www.grystmill.com > >
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted May 30, 2008 Posted May 30, 2008 Re: IE Running well so far Just tested a fresh setup of SE with ALL options chosen, installed IE6SP1, went to WU and fully updated (except for the big optionals, WMP, DX, etc.) and then checked for any further updates. It's not mentioned. Then I installed it manually with no problems and proper results. I'm adding it to my distro. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:OWvbUWfwIHA.3516@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > Well that may be, I'm still trying to figure it out,,, not even the file, > as > previously mentioned, has the usual inclusions, yet WAS once installed by > WU > as a critical update in 98SE. > > More of Microsoft's unusual behavior, maybe it was off its meds when it > was > pushing installation before.. who knows, if it works I guess do it.. > > -- > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > -- > _________ > > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > news:%23UWSxxewIHA.1236@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > | Did I say it says anywhere that Win9x is "supported"? If I did, I was > | mistaking it with another quite similar download yesterday, one of the > MSXML > | patches (thought it turns out the second one of those didn't install on > 9x.) > | > | All I know is that it works, so I gotta figure it's called censorship of > the > | literature. > | > | -- > | Gary S. Terhune > | MS-MVP Shell/User > | http://www.grystmill.com > | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message > | news:OjabDeewIHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > | > Ah, wait a minute, just re-checked the download for 823353 and its > still > | > showing no support, so where did you find that file which indicates > 9X? > | > > | > -- > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > | > -- > | > _________ > | > > | > "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message > | > news:uRoXJYewIHA.4488@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > | > | Thanks Gary, when/if I get to it I will.. > | > | > | > | -- > | > | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > | > | -- > | > | _________ > | > | > | > | "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > | > | news:%23gdbWDewIHA.2360@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > | > | | You (or whoever you can coerce into helping you) let me know if > you're > | > | | missing any files. I'm perpetually surprised by the stuff I got > | > stashed > | > | away > | > | | on this machine... Of course, I do have several full copies of 98 > | > machines > | > | | that I made as quick & dirty backups before I flattened them. Plus > the > | > | ones > | > | | I personally collected at various times through the years... > | > | | > | > | | -- > | > | | Gary S. Terhune > | > | | MS-MVP Shell/User > | > | | http://www.grystmill.com > | > | | > | > | | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message > | > | | news:ut5IC2cwIHA.1772@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > | > | | > OH NOOOO, don't assign that one to meeeee, > | > pleeeeeeaaaaassseee....... > | > | | > > | > | | > But you're right, I will likely need to go back through those > old > | > | | > iuhist.xml and Windows Update.log files and see exactly what was > | > | removed.. > | > | | > cross-check for present availability and where to find or if > still > | > | | > available > | > | | > [which many are not], and check to see if they were > | > outdated/superceded. > | > | | > Maybe,,,, have to see how things go ... of course others could > do > | > this > | > | as > | > | | > well.. > | > | | > > | > | | > -- > | > | | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > | > | | > -- > | > | | > _________ > | > | | > > | > | | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > | > | | > news:OR8xleVwIHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > | > | | > | No, we downloaded it last night or the night before, whenever > it > | > was. > | > | | > | > | > | | > | As for it's 9x compatibility, all I knew was that it had been > | > | installed > | > | | > on > | > | | > a > | > | | > | 9x system and that the trail of KB + Security Bulletin led to > a > | > link > | > | | > that > | > | | > | said, "For IESP1, all versions of Windows." And it worked. > Makes > | > me > | > | want > | > | | > to > | > | | > | check a few other supposedly non-9x Updates. Not enough to > | > actually > | > do > | > | | > it, > | > | | > | but just a little. > | > | | > | > | > | | > | Actually, sounds like a job for you, <eg>. > | > | | > | > | > | | > | -- > | > | | > | Gary S. Terhune > | > | | > | MS-MVP Shell/User > | > | | > | http://www.grystmill.com > | > | | > | > | > | | > | > | > | | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message > | > | | > | news:%234qcxcUwIHA.5448@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > | > | | > | > 11-23-04 about two months after it was issued/offered, then > | > 02-09-06 > | > | | > four > | > | | > | > months prior to end. > | > | | > | > > | > | | > | > Well, I don't know why it was removed, it isn't like several > | > other > | > | | > updates > | > | | > | > that I have large amounts of error reports saved for. > | > | | > | > Your guess is as good as mine, it obviously wasn't > completely > | > | | > superceded > | > | | > | > or > | > | | > | > the older outdated update would have been removed as well. > | > | | > | > > | > | | > | > However, looking IN the 11-23-04 > IE6.0sp1-KB823353-x86-ENU.exe > | > | | > offering, > | > | | > | > it > | > | | > | > has no direct indication of 9X support that was normally > | > included. > | > | The > | > | | > | > INFs > | > | | > | > are not the usual, yet, as I was doing at that time, it was > what > | > I > | > | got > | > | | > | > when > | > | | > | > re-downloading whatever iuhist showed was installed for > future > | > use. > | > | Be > | > | | > | > interesting to see if anyone had the actual original > offering. > | > Or > | > | was > | > | | > that > | > | | > | > what you used? > | > | | > | > > | > | | > | > -- > | > | | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > | > | | > | > -- > | > | | > | > _________ > | > | | > | > > | > | | > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > | > | | > | > news:OmMmxNUwIHA.5584@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > | > | | > | > | "...note the date..." Note what about the date? > | > | | > | > | > | > | | > | > | And it just goes to show you how much you can trust any > | > particular > | > | | > | > write-up > | > | | > | > | by MS to be complete. > | > | | > | > | > | > | | > | > | -- > | > | | > | > | Gary S. Terhune > | > | | > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User > | > | | > | > | http://www.grystmill.com > | > | | > | > | > | > | | > | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message > | > | | > | > | news:O%23kHsJUwIHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > | > | | > | > | > Just some further info for those who might be > interested. > | > | | > | > | > > | > | | > | > | > Though previous 98SE iuhist.xml-s did include the > update, > | > here's > | > | | > | > excerpts > | > | | > | > | > from the download page I have saved from 02/09/2006 > {note > | > the > | > | | > date}: > | > | | > | > | > > | > | | > | > | > Download details: Cumulative Security Update for Outlook > | > Express > | > | 6 > | > | | > | > Service > | > | | > | > | > Pack 1 (KB823353) > | > | | > | > | > > | > | | > | > | > Cumulative Security Update for Outlook Express 6 Service > | > Pack > | > 1 > | > | | > | > | > (KB823353) > | > | | > | > | > This update addresses the vulnerability discussed in > | > Microsoft > | > | | > | > | > Security Bulletin MS04-018. To find out if other > security > | > | updates > | > | | > | > | > are available for you, see the Overview section of this > | > page. > | > | | > | > | > > | > | | > | > | > Quick Info > | > | | > | > | > File Name:IE6.0sp1-KB823353-x86-ENU.exe > | > | | > | > | > Download Size:1950 KB > | > | | > | > | > Date Published:7/14/2004 > | > | | > | > | > Version:OE6 > | > | | > | > | > > | > | | > | > | > Cumulative Security Update for Outlook Express 6 > | > | | > | > | > Service Pack 1 (KB823353) > | > | | > | > | > English > | > | | > | > | > > | > | | > | > | > Microsoft Security Bulletin MS04-018 > | > | | > | > | > > | > | | > | > | > System Requirements > | > | | > | > | > Supported Operating Systems: Windows 2000 Service Pack > 2, > | > | | > | > | > Windows 2000 Service Pack 3, Windows 2000 Service Pack > 4, > | > | | > | > | > Windows NT, Windows XP, Windows XP Service Pack 1 > | > | | > | > | > This update applies to Outlook Express 6 Service Pack 1 > | > (SP1) > | > | | > | > | > with the following operating systems: > | > | | > | > | > > | > | | > | > | > Windows XP SP1 > | > | | > | > | > Windows XP > | > | | > | > | > Windows 2000 SP2 > | > | | > | > | > Windows 2000 SP3 > | > | | > | > | > Windows 2000 SP4 > | > | | > | > | > Windows NT 4.0 SP6A > | > | | > | > | > ------ > | > | | > | > | > > | > | | > | > | > The file I have saved with a date of 11/23/04 was also > saved > | > | with > | > | | > the > | > | | > | > | > download page [same date] which reflects the above > | > information.: > | > | | > | > | > Compare to the below date. >| > | | > | > | > > | > | | > | > | > As example of one of the old iuhist containment {the < > have > | > been > | > | | > | > removed}: > | > | | > | > | > > | > | | > | > | > itemStatus xmlns="" timestamp="2004-08-03T05:23:24"> > | > | | > | > | > identity > | > | | > | > | > > | > | | > | > > | > | | > > | > | > | > > itemID="ie60x.internetexplorer6x.ver_platform_win32_windows.4.10.x86.en..... > | > | | > | > | > .com_microsoft.q823353_oe6_sp1." name="Q823353_OE6_SP1"> > | > | | > | > | > publisherName>com_microsoft</publisherName> > | > | | > | > | > language>en</language> > | > | | > | > | > /identity> > | > | | > | > | > description hidden="0"> > | > | | > | > | > descriptionText> > | > | | > | > | > title>Cumulative Security Update for Outlook Express 6 > SP1 > | > | | > | > | > (KB823353)</title> > | > | | > | > | > eula > href="/msdownload/update/v3/static/eula/en/eula.htm"/> > | > | | > | > | > details > | > href="http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=19527"/> > | > | | > | > | > /descriptionText> > | > | | > | > | > /description> > | > | | > | > | > platform name="ver_platform_win32_windows"> > | > | | > | > | > processorArchitecture>x86</processorArchitecture> > | > | | > | > | > version major="4" minor="10" build="" > servicePackMajor="" > | > | | > | > | > servicePackMinor=""/> > | > | | > | > | > /platform> > | > | | > | > | > <downloadStatus value="COMPLETE"/> > | > | | > | > | > > | > | | > > <downloadPath>c:\WUTemp\com_microsoft.Q823353_OE6_SP1</downloadPath> > | > | | > | > | > <client>IU_Site</client> > | > | | > | > | > <installStatus value="COMPLETE" needsReboot="0"/> > | > | | > | > | > </itemStatus> > | > | | > | > | > > | > | | > | > | > {I was wrong it wasn't part of the December update > debacle.} > | > | | > | > | > > | > | | > | > | > -- > | > | | > | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > | > | | > | > | > -- > | > | | > | > | > _________ > | > | | > | > | > > | > | | > | > | > > | > | | > | > | > | > | | > | > > | > | | > | > > | > | | > | > | > | | > > | > | | > > | > | | > | > | > | > | > | > > | > > | > >
Guest Darryl_Gittins Posted May 30, 2008 Posted May 30, 2008 Re: What is Quick Time Re: What is Quick Time Microsoft has to rely upon uniformed people to use its Os's? Let me get this straight. You alone are so wise, and the rest of us minions are fools, are we? What incredible arrogance. What horrific ignorance. -- Darryl_Gittins ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Darryl_Gittins's Profile: http://forums.techarena.in/member.php?userid=50686 View this thread: http://forums.techarena.in/showthread.php?t=977754 http://forums.techarena.in
Guest MEB Posted May 30, 2008 Posted May 30, 2008 Re: What is Quick Time Re: What is Quick Time SEE APPLE QuickTime US CERT warnings/alert I posted in this group on 04/04/2008 [see suggestion and, responses provided alternatives or recommendations], also see older QT warnings this group and elsewhere.. REFERENCE National Cyber Alert System Technical Cyber Security Alert TA08-094A Apple Updates for Multiple Vulnerabilities Original release date: April 3, 2008 SEE ALSO: "One of the fastest growing threats - the web site you visit" - MEB 05/01/2008 - this group, ignore the more ignorant responses [consider with the Flash vulnerabilities FINALLY addressed, though its still vulnerable]. AND: SUN JAVA Technical Cyber Security Alert TA08-066A - posted here 03-07-2008 if you intend to use SUN. , -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com -- _________ "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message news:uib%23sCWwIHA.3780@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... | Decided to run the latest installer I have to see if it tells you up front | what version... There it was in huge letters. 6.5.1. And it was released | prior to December '04, not '05. Another of my many brain farts today. What | IS strange is that I have no versions prior to that in the places I'd expect | to find them. I'm a true packrat when it comes to that kind of stuff. Gotta | be earlier versions here, somewhere. Ahh, here we go. Versions 4 & 5... All | I'm missing is 3 and I just didn't feel like waiting for Search to complete | inspection of my vast ZIPped archives, my backups of backups, etc. | | -- | Gary S. Terhune | MS-MVP Shell/User | http://www.grystmill.com | | "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message | news:u0r7OqVwIHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... | >I do know that QT version 5 at least works on Win98SE. I stopped there, | >as I started getting tired of the bloat (as is so often the case) with the | >newer versions. | > | > Gary S. Terhune wrote: | >> Leave it for now. I'll have you a full answer tomorrow if I can. What | >> you've | >> probably got is the same ancient, dangerous, version that MEB was | >> complaining about. We need to find the latest version that will still run | >> on | >> 9x. I'm may have it, but I'm in the middle of rebuilding my 98 box so I | >> can't test and make sure, know how to instruct you in its installation, | >> etc. | >> | >> (Actually, I coulda sworn I found v.6 on the QT site and that it works | >> with | >> Win98, but I guess I'll have to go through my History to find it. | >> Assuming I | >> don't already have it. Latest version I could find quickly was one I | >> downloaded in late '05.) | >> | >> -- | >> Gary S. Terhune | >> MS-MVP Shell/User | >> http://www.grystmill.com | >> | >> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message | >> news:483e4acf$0$25060$607ed4bc@cv.net... | >>> I googled one of the missing Quick Time files QT32INST.EXE downloaded it | >>> and ran it | >>> and it repaired Quick Time. It even installed the QTW32DEL.EXE that was | >>> missing. Now | >>> I have both of the Quick Time logos QT & QT32 in my add/remove programs | >>> and in | >>> Control Panel. I don't believe the QT one works but my movies are | >>> playing | >>> well, | >>> automatically with the Quick Time 32. So I am leaving it alone as I am | >>> sure there are | >>> shared files. Unless anyone has any ideas as to how to get rid of it | >>> without hurting | >>> Quick Time 32. | >>> | >>> | >>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | >>> news:uPfCyEUwIHA.548@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... | >>>> I need YOU to be more patient. And to stop posting wherever you feel | >>>> like | >>>> it. I know this is a long and multi-threaded issue, but it's your | >>>> responsibility to find the proper thread and post to respond to. If you | >>>> think it's missing, then at least go back to the top of this thread | >>>> ("IE | >>>> works so far", not "What is Quick Time") to post your "I'm lost" post. | >>>> While | >>>> this was intended to be a wrap-up thread for the original issue, you're | >>>> now | >>>> tacking new issues onto it, like this whole Sygate/QT thread. No need | >>>> to | >>>> further muck up the works by adding more to this sub-thread. | >>>> | >>>> So be patient, I have had to answer lots of posts today and some in | >>>> depth, | >>>> and I've done a lot of research on your part and on the part of others. | >>>> I | >>>> also had to rebuild my 98 machine, eat, etc., etc. And because you | >>>> posted | >>>> these MSXML questions here instead of where they belong, *I* have to go | >>>> searching for wherever in this mess the posts regarding MSXML update, | >>>> etc., | >>>> is located. I'll post/repost there and answer your question(s) there. | >>>> | >>>> -- | >>>> Gary S. Terhune | >>>> MS-MVP Shell/User | >>>> http://www.grystmill.com | >>>> | >>>> | >>>> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message | >>>> news:483e2660$0$25036$607ed4bc@cv.net... | >>>>> I need you to read my most recent postings. | >>>>> !. I am confused about the MSXML4sp2 updated and what to delete. I | >>>>> need | >>>>> it | >>>>> explained more clearly, please. | >>>>> 2. Quick Time doesn't have an uninstaller. When I hit add/remove | >>>>> programs | >>>>> it | >>>>> said it was uninstalling my Camedia (the program I attach my digital | >>>>> camera | >>>>> to the computer...that was o.k. | >>>>> But, there is nothing that says uninstall quick Time, It only gives | >>>>> the | >>>>> option to remove extensions. (in add/remove programs) and it says that | >>>>> I | >>>>> shouldn't do that. | >>>>> In Internet Options when I click it. It tells me that I should | >>>>> uninstall | >>>>> and | >>>>> install again as I am missing 2 exe files. | >>>>> If I put the CD in the drive....will that give me an option to | >>>>> uninstall? | >>>>> | >>>>> | >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- | >>>>> From: "Gary S. Terhune" <none> | >>>>> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion | >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 11:21 PM | >>>>> Subject: Re: IE Running well so far | >>>>> | >>>>> | >>>>>> Then you DO have that very old version MEB was talking about. You | >>>>>> should | >>>>>> uninstall it, then hope your banking site doesn't require it. Might | >>>>>> just | >>>>>> look different but still work. (I thought I had a link to the last | >>>>>> version | >>>>>> that worked with Win98, but I'll have to look deeper.) | >>>>>> | >>>>>> -- | >>>>>> Gary S. Terhune | >>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User | >>>>>> http://www.grystmill.com | >>>>>> | >>>>>> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message | >>>>>> news:483e04fb$0$15193$607ed4bc@cv.net... | >>>>>>> Sorry, Gary I got side tracked trying to get online again. I will | >>>>>>> uninstall that | >>>>>>> update(4.0sdk). | >>>>>>> The 2 Q Times are in Internet Options- Control Panel. Q time says if | >>>>>>> I | >>>>>>> uninstall it I | >>>>>>> will uninstall the program it came with. I haven't the slightest | >>>>>>> idea | >>>>> what | >>>>>>> it came | >>>>>>> with . It is not in any of my Programs under Start. Further | >>>>>>> investigation | >>>>>>> shows that | >>>>>>> the version is 2.1.2.59 (Quick Time for Windows) It says it is for | >>>>>>> Window 95 and is missing QT32INST.EXE AND QTW32EEL.EXE....which is | >>>>>>> why | >>>>>>> I | >>>>>>> can't open | >>>>>>> it. It says I should uninstall and reinstall but I don't know what | >>>>>>> CD | >>>>> it | >>>>>>> would be on | >>>>>>> to re-install. | >>>>>>> | >>>>>>> I will uninstall the 4.0sp1 now, after I make sure I can get online. | >>>>>>> Gin | >>>>>>> | >>>>>>> | >>>>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | >>>>>>> news:u44BNBOwIHA.4916@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... | >>>>>>>> You still have MSXML 4.0 SP1. Here's some updates you might want to | >>>>>>>> consider: | >>>>>>>> First, uninstall that Update we installed that includes the SDK. If | >>>>>>>> you're | >>>>>>>> not sure which one, write down any entry that includes MSXML and | >>>>>>>> post | >>>>> it | >>>>>>>> here. After uninstalling that, then get: | >>>>>>>> | >>>>>>>> MSXML 4.0 Service Pack 2 http://tinyurl.com/59qer | >>>>>>>> | >>>>>>>> then this patch: | >>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/y6a2sl | >>>>>>>> | >>>>>>>> -- | >>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune | >>>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User | >>>>>>>> http://www.grystmill.com | >>>>>>>> | >>>>>>>> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message | >>>>>>>> news:483cf7f0$0$15192$607ed4bc@cv.net... | >>>>>>>>> All three are version 4.10.9404.0 and they were all created | >>>>>>>>> 2/4/02. | >>>>>>>>> msxml4.dll is 80.5 KB, msxml4r.dll is 1.17 MB, msxml4a.dll is | >>>>>>>>> 43.5 | >>>>> KB. | >>>>>>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | >>>>> | >>>>> | >>>>> | >>>>> | >>>>> | >>>>> | >>>>> | >>>>> | >>>>> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message | >>>>> news:483e234b$0$25024$607ed4bc@cv.net... | >>>>>> One of my posts has 'gone missing' and I'm sitting here unclear about | >>>>>> how | >>>>>> to do | >>>>> this | >>>>>> service patch . I downloaded msxml4-KB927978-enu.exe (file version | >>>>>> 1)....., (I | >>>>> typed | >>>>>> in tinyurl.com/y6a2sl and it redirected me to this MSXML 4.0 Service | >>>>>> Pack2 | >>>>>> (Microsoft XML Core Services) - I think that is what I downloaded. Is | >>>>>> that the | >>>>> first | >>>>>> one or the second one?? | >>>>>> Also....What am I supposed to post here and uninstall from my | >>>>>> system??? | >>>>>> I am | >>>>>> confused. Thanks. Gin | >>>>>> | >>>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | >>>>>> news:eVflMSTwIHA.4952@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... | >>>>>>> Sygate uses a database that started out blank. *Everything* you do | >>>>>>> for | >>>>>>> a | >>>>>>> while will be a "change" to Sygate. If it's a program you recognize, | >>>>>>> then, | >>>>>>> short of doing a lot more research, you have no choice but to trust | >>>>>>> that | >>>>>>> it's not a malware DLL in disguise, and approve the update to | >>>>>>> Sygate's | >>>>>>> database. Once you've finished training it, then when it says | >>>>>>> "change" | >>>>>>> it | >>>>>>> will almost always actually mean "change". Then you are expected to | >>>>>>> be | >>>>>>> able | >>>>>>> to remember recent changes to your system and update Sygate | >>>>>>> appropriately. | >>>>>>> | >>>>>>> If it's a question you have about the program that is being cited, | >>>>>>> like | >>>>>>> you | >>>>>>> did with QT, then you do as you did: ask about it, do some research. | >>>>>>> But try | >>>>>>> to refrain from acting on our advice, or even stuff you read | >>>>>>> elsewhere | >>>>>>> using | >>>>>>> Google, etc., too quickly, not even mine, in case there's an | >>>>>>> important | >>>>>>> (or | >>>>>>> even minor) correction, contradiction or addendum to that advice in | >>>>>>> the | >>>>>>> near | >>>>>>> future. | >>>>>>> | >>>>>>> In this case, besides just what QT stands for, you should have | >>>>>>> learned | >>>>>>> enough in this thread to ask yourself, "Just how old IS that | >>>>>>> QuickTime | >>>>>>> of | >>>>>>> mine, anyway?" and "Maybe I should uninstall it and then install the | >>>>>>> latest | >>>>>>> version if I find I need it later." So, in a way, Sygate is teaching | >>>>>>> you, | >>>>>>> too. | >>>>>>> | >>>>>>> -- | >>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune | >>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User | >>>>>>> http://www.grystmill.com | >>>>>>> | >>>>>>> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message | >>>>>>> news:483df8c8$0$25052$607ed4bc@cv.net... | >>>>>>>> I don't mind training something. I simply don;t know if it is o.k. | >>>>>>>> to | >>>>>>>> allow | >>>>>>>> every | >>>>>>>> program to add new .dlls to my Internet Explorer and Outlook | >>>>>>>> Express. If | >>>>>>>> it is | >>>>>>>> harmless, I will simply say yes. and go about my business. But it | >>>>>>>> seems to | >>>>>>>> me we | >>>>>>>> spent an awful lot of time getting rid of .dlls that didn't belong | >>>>>>>> and | >>>>>>>> putting in | >>>>>>>> .dlls that had disappeared. My question was simple. Do I allow my | >>>>>>>> Internet | >>>>>>>> Explorer | >>>>>>>> and Outlook Express to be changed by my programs. | >>>>>>>> It doesn't say that Sygate is changing anything. It is Sygate | >>>>>>>> reporting to | >>>>>>>> me that | >>>>>>>> these programs are changing my IE & OE. I assumed that before | >>>>>>>> Sygate, | >>>>>>>> my | >>>>>>>> programs | >>>>>>>> were doing this but I just didn't know. Am I making any sense? | >>>>>>>> | >>>>>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | >>>>>>>> news:%239wnV0RwIHA.2360@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... | >>>>>>>>> My guess is that the page you went to includes items that are | >>>>>>>>> viewed | >>>>>>>>> using a | >>>>>>>>> QT plugin. What you describe (QT and QT32) sound like plugins and | >>>>>>>>> they | >>>>>>>>> are | >>>>>>>>> just different versions of the same thing (16-bit and 32-bit), | >>>>>>>>> installed | >>>>>>>>> by | >>>>>>>>> the same installer. Where are these things listed in Internet | >>>>>>>>> Options? On | >>>>>>>>> what tab, under what button? (Sorry, I can't check against my | >>>>>>>>> system | >>>>>>>>> as I | >>>>>>>>> am | >>>>>>>>> in the process of rebuilding it.) Anyway, if it bugs you, just | >>>>>>>>> uninstall | >>>>>>>>> QT | >>>>>>>>> in Add/Remove Programs and see what happens. You can always go | >>>>>>>>> back | >>>>>>>>> and | >>>>>>>>> reinstall it if you discover you need it. | >>>>>>>>> | >>>>>>>>> But your biggest problem is that you can't stand having to train | >>>>>>>>> that | >>>>>>>>> firewall. If you aren't willing to go through that process, | >>>>>>>>> uninstall it | >>>>>>>>> and | >>>>>>>>> either use something else or nothing at all. You already have | >>>>>>>>> pretty | >>>>>>>>> decent | >>>>>>>>> protection against intrusion. Believe me, that firewall isn't | >>>>>>>>> done | >>>>>>>>> bugging | >>>>>>>>> you, not by a LONG shot. | >>>>>>>>> | >>>>>>>>> -- | >>>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune | >>>>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User | >>>>>>>>> http://www.grystmill.com | >>>>>>>>> | >>>>>>>>> | >>>>>>>>> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message | >>>>>>>>> news:483de66d$0$11610$607ed4bc@cv.net... | >>>>>>>>>> I have Quick Time and Quick Time32 in my Internet Options. I | >>>>>>>>>> have | >>>>>>>>>> Quick | >>>>>>>>>> Time in | >>>>>>>>>> Add/Remove programs. I went to Chase to transfer some money to | >>>>>>>>>> my | >>>>>>>>>> son | >>>>>>>>>> and | >>>>>>>>>> another | >>>>>>>>>> popup occurred saying: "Quick Time has install the following | >>>>>>>>>> (long | >>>>>>>>>> list) | >>>>>>>>>> of | >>>>>>>>>> components to your system, do you want them to access the | >>>>>>>>>> internet." | >>>>>>>>>> Why | >>>>>>>>>> would I want | >>>>>>>>>> them to access the internet and change my Internet Explorer | >>>>>>>>>> while | >>>>>>>>>> I am | >>>>>>>>>> trying to do | >>>>>>>>>> banking??? When I said 'no' , I was unable to continue. I would | >>>>>>>>>> like to | >>>>>>>>>> uninstall | >>>>>>>>>> both of them. (I only have uninstall for QT) and I don't know | >>>>>>>>>> what | >>>>>>>>>> QT32 | >>>>>>>>>> is!!! A | >>>>>>>>>> little hint please. I am going to try again to get into my | >>>>>>>>>> bank. | >>>>>>>>>> Ginny | >>>>>>>>>> | >>>>>>>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | >>>>>>>>>> news:utbNAQRwIHA.4772@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... | >>>>>>>>>>> Don't be. It's not your fault MEB got up on the wrong side of | >>>>>>>>>>> the | >>>>>>>>>>> bed | >>>>>>>>>>> this | >>>>>>>>>>> morning and/or is otherwise distracted, or so it seems. Though | >>>>>>>>>>> I | >>>>>>>>>>> must | >>>>>>>>>>> say | >>>>>>>>>>> it's interesting to see his true colors when it comes to his | >>>>>>>>>>> feelings | >>>>>>>>>>> about | >>>>>>>>>>> XP. | >>>>>>>>>>> | >>>>>>>>>>> -- | >>>>>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune | >>>>>>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User | >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.grystmill.com | >>>>>>>>>>> | >>>>>>>>>>> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message | >>>>>>>>>>> news:483dd8cc$1$11631$607ed4bc@cv.net... | >>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry I asked!!! Ginny | > | > |
Guest MEB Posted May 30, 2008 Posted May 30, 2008 Re: IE Running well so far Sounds like the plan then, I'll make that modification to the web page as well. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com -- _________ "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message news:ueE$SofwIHA.5472@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... | Just tested a fresh setup of SE with ALL options chosen, installed IE6SP1, | went to WU and fully updated (except for the big optionals, WMP, DX, etc.) | and then checked for any further updates. It's not mentioned. Then I | installed it manually with no problems and proper results. I'm adding it to | my distro. | | -- | Gary S. Terhune | MS-MVP Shell/User | http://www.grystmill.com | | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | news:OWvbUWfwIHA.3516@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... | > Well that may be, I'm still trying to figure it out,,, not even the file, | > as | > previously mentioned, has the usual inclusions, yet WAS once installed by | > WU | > as a critical update in 98SE. | > | > More of Microsoft's unusual behavior, maybe it was off its meds when it | > was | > pushing installation before.. who knows, if it works I guess do it.. | > | > -- | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | > -- | > _________ | > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | > news:%23UWSxxewIHA.1236@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... | > | Did I say it says anywhere that Win9x is "supported"? If I did, I was | > | mistaking it with another quite similar download yesterday, one of the | > MSXML | > | patches (thought it turns out the second one of those didn't install on | > 9x.) | > | | > | All I know is that it works, so I gotta figure it's called censorship of | > the | > | literature. | > | | > | -- | > | Gary S. Terhune | > | MS-MVP Shell/User | > | http://www.grystmill.com | > | | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | > | news:OjabDeewIHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... | > | > Ah, wait a minute, just re-checked the download for 823353 and its | > still | > | > showing no support, so where did you find that file which indicates | > 9X? | > | > | > | > -- | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | > | > -- | > | > _________ | > | > | > | > "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | > | > news:uRoXJYewIHA.4488@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... | > | > | Thanks Gary, when/if I get to it I will.. | > | > | | > | > | -- | > | > | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | > | > | -- | > | > | _________ | > | > | | > | > | "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | > | > | news:%23gdbWDewIHA.2360@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... | > | > | | You (or whoever you can coerce into helping you) let me know if | > you're | > | > | | missing any files. I'm perpetually surprised by the stuff I got | > | > stashed | > | > | away | > | > | | on this machine... Of course, I do have several full copies of 98 | > | > machines | > | > | | that I made as quick & dirty backups before I flattened them. Plus | > the | > | > | ones | > | > | | I personally collected at various times through the years... | > | > | | | > | > | | -- | > | > | | Gary S. Terhune | > | > | | MS-MVP Shell/User | > | > | | http://www.grystmill.com | > | > | | | > | > | | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | > | > | | news:ut5IC2cwIHA.1772@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... | > | > | | > OH NOOOO, don't assign that one to meeeee, | > | > pleeeeeeaaaaassseee....... | > | > | | > | > | > | | > But you're right, I will likely need to go back through those | > old | > | > | | > iuhist.xml and Windows Update.log files and see exactly what was | > | > | removed.. | > | > | | > cross-check for present availability and where to find or if | > still | > | > | | > available | > | > | | > [which many are not], and check to see if they were | > | > outdated/superceded. | > | > | | > Maybe,,,, have to see how things go ... of course others could | > do | > | > this | > | > | as | > | > | | > well.. | > | > | | > | > | > | | > -- | > | > | | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | > | > | | > -- | > | > | | > _________ | > | > | | > | > | > | | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | > | > | | > news:OR8xleVwIHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... | > | > | | > | No, we downloaded it last night or the night before, whenever | > it | > | > was. | > | > | | > | | > | > | | > | As for it's 9x compatibility, all I knew was that it had been | > | > | installed | > | > | | > on | > | > | | > a | > | > | | > | 9x system and that the trail of KB + Security Bulletin led to | > a | > | > link | > | > | | > that | > | > | | > | said, "For IESP1, all versions of Windows." And it worked. | > Makes | > | > me | > | > | want | > | > | | > to | > | > | | > | check a few other supposedly non-9x Updates. Not enough to | > | > actually | > | > do | > | > | | > it, | > | > | | > | but just a little. | > | > | | > | | > | > | | > | Actually, sounds like a job for you, <eg>. | > | > | | > | | > | > | | > | -- | > | > | | > | Gary S. Terhune | > | > | | > | MS-MVP Shell/User | > | > | | > | http://www.grystmill.com | > | > | | > | | > | > | | > | | > | > | | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | > | > | | > | news:%234qcxcUwIHA.5448@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... | > | > | | > | > 11-23-04 about two months after it was issued/offered, then | > | > 02-09-06 | > | > | | > four | > | > | | > | > months prior to end. | > | > | | > | > | > | > | | > | > Well, I don't know why it was removed, it isn't like several | > | > other | > | > | | > updates | > | > | | > | > that I have large amounts of error reports saved for. | > | > | | > | > Your guess is as good as mine, it obviously wasn't | > completely | > | > | | > superceded | > | > | | > | > or | > | > | | > | > the older outdated update would have been removed as well. | > | > | | > | > | > | > | | > | > However, looking IN the 11-23-04 | > IE6.0sp1-KB823353-x86-ENU.exe | > | > | | > offering, | > | > | | > | > it | > | > | | > | > has no direct indication of 9X support that was normally | > | > included. | > | > | The | > | > | | > | > INFs | > | > | | > | > are not the usual, yet, as I was doing at that time, it was | > what | > | > I | > | > | got | > | > | | > | > when | > | > | | > | > re-downloading whatever iuhist showed was installed for | > future | > | > use. | > | > | Be | > | > | | > | > interesting to see if anyone had the actual original | > offering. | > | > Or | > | > | was | > | > | | > that | > | > | | > | > what you used? | > | > | | > | > | > | > | | > | > -- | > | > | | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | > | > | | > | > -- | > | > | | > | > _________ | > | > | | > | > | > | > | | > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | > | > | | > | > news:OmMmxNUwIHA.5584@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... | > | > | | > | > | "...note the date..." Note what about the date? | > | > | | > | > | | > | > | | > | > | And it just goes to show you how much you can trust any | > | > particular | > | > | | > | > write-up | > | > | | > | > | by MS to be complete. | > | > | | > | > | | > | > | | > | > | -- | > | > | | > | > | Gary S. Terhune | > | > | | > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User | > | > | | > | > | http://www.grystmill.com | > | > | | > | > | | > | > | | > | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | > | > | | > | > | news:O%23kHsJUwIHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... | > | > | | > | > | > Just some further info for those who might be | > interested. | > | > | | > | > | > | > | > | | > | > | > Though previous 98SE iuhist.xml-s did include the | > update, | > | > here's | > | > | | > | > excerpts | > | > | | > | > | > from the download page I have saved from 02/09/2006 | > {note | > | > the | > | > | | > date}: | > | > | | > | > | > | > | > | | > | > | > Download details: Cumulative Security Update for Outlook | > | > Express | > | > | 6 | > | > | | > | > Service | > | > | | > | > | > Pack 1 (KB823353) | > | > | | > | > | > | > | > | | > | > | > Cumulative Security Update for Outlook Express 6 Service | > | > Pack | > | > 1 | > | > | | > | > | > (KB823353) | > | > | | > | > | > This update addresses the vulnerability discussed in | > | > Microsoft | > | > | | > | > | > Security Bulletin MS04-018. To find out if other | > security | > | > | updates | > | > | | > | > | > are available for you, see the Overview section of this | > | > page. | > | > | | > | > | > | > | > | | > | > | > Quick Info | > | > | | > | > | > File Name:IE6.0sp1-KB823353-x86-ENU.exe | > | > | | > | > | > Download Size:1950 KB | > | > | | > | > | > Date Published:7/14/2004 | > | > | | > | > | > Version:OE6 | > | > | | > | > | > | > | > | | > | > | > Cumulative Security Update for Outlook Express 6 | > | > | | > | > | > Service Pack 1 (KB823353) | > | > | | > | > | > English | > | > | | > | > | > | > | > | | > | > | > Microsoft Security Bulletin MS04-018 | > | > | | > | > | > | > | > | | > | > | > System Requirements | > | > | | > | > | > Supported Operating Systems: Windows 2000 Service Pack | > 2, | > | > | | > | > | > Windows 2000 Service Pack 3, Windows 2000 Service Pack | > 4, | > | > | | > | > | > Windows NT, Windows XP, Windows XP Service Pack 1 | > | > | | > | > | > This update applies to Outlook Express 6 Service Pack 1 | > | > (SP1) | > | > | | > | > | > with the following operating systems: | > | > | | > | > | > | > | > | | > | > | > Windows XP SP1 | > | > | | > | > | > Windows XP | > | > | | > | > | > Windows 2000 SP2 | > | > | | > | > | > Windows 2000 SP3 | > | > | | > | > | > Windows 2000 SP4 | > | > | | > | > | > Windows NT 4.0 SP6A | > | > | | > | > | > ------ | > | > | | > | > | > | > | > | | > | > | > The file I have saved with a date of 11/23/04 was also | > saved | > | > | with | > | > | | > the | > | > | | > | > | > download page [same date] which reflects the above | > | > information.: | > | > | | > | > | > Compare to the below date. | >| > | | > | > | > | > | > | | > | > | > As example of one of the old iuhist containment {the < | > have | > | > been | > | > | | > | > removed}: | > | > | | > | > | > | > | > | | > | > | > itemStatus xmlns="" timestamp="2004-08-03T05:23:24"> | > | > | | > | > | > identity | > | > | | > | > | > | > | > | | > | > | > | > | | > | > | > | | > | > | > itemID="ie60x.internetexplorer6x.ver_platform_win32_windows.4.10.x86.en..... | > | > | | > | > | > .com_microsoft.q823353_oe6_sp1." name="Q823353_OE6_SP1"> | > | > | | > | > | > publisherName>com_microsoft</publisherName> | > | > | | > | > | > language>en</language> | > | > | | > | > | > /identity> | > | > | | > | > | > description hidden="0"> | > | > | | > | > | > descriptionText> | > | > | | > | > | > title>Cumulative Security Update for Outlook Express 6 | > SP1 | > | > | | > | > | > (KB823353)</title> | > | > | | > | > | > eula | > href="/msdownload/update/v3/static/eula/en/eula.htm"/> | > | > | | > | > | > details | > | > href="http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=19527"/> | > | > | | > | > | > /descriptionText> | > | > | | > | > | > /description> | > | > | | > | > | > platform name="ver_platform_win32_windows"> | > | > | | > | > | > processorArchitecture>x86</processorArchitecture> | > | > | | > | > | > version major="4" minor="10" build="" | > servicePackMajor="" | > | > | | > | > | > servicePackMinor=""/> | > | > | | > | > | > /platform> | > | > | | > | > | > <downloadStatus value="COMPLETE"/> | > | > | | > | > | > | > | > | | > | > <downloadPath>c:\WUTemp\com_microsoft.Q823353_OE6_SP1</downloadPath> | > | > | | > | > | > <client>IU_Site</client> | > | > | | > | > | > <installStatus value="COMPLETE" needsReboot="0"/> | > | > | | > | > | > </itemStatus> | > | > | | > | > | > | > | > | | > | > | > {I was wrong it wasn't part of the December update | > debacle.} | > | > | | > | > | > | > | > | | > | > | > -- | > | > | | > | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | > | > | | > | > | > -- | > | > | | > | > | > _________ | > | > | | > | > | > | > | > | | > | > | > | > | > | | > | > | | > | > | | > | > | > | > | | > | > | > | > | | > | | > | > | | > | > | > | | > | > | > | | | > | > | | > | > | | > | > | > | > | > | | > | > |
Guest MEB Posted May 30, 2008 Posted May 30, 2008 Re: What is Quick Time Re: What is Quick Time Wrong. The free Linux versions don't read into the sales numbers as no one knows how many are being run... Windows information web sites statistics also are not reflective of use, nor are sites which REQUIRE Microsoft's browsers, Linux users run these in an envelope to make it APPEAR to be the proper browser and OS is used.... I would suggest you actually spend some time finding out about Linux before making comments on what it can or can not do. Microsoft "borrows" a good percentage of its ideas FROM the Linux world, and remember, the programmers for Linux must generally first pull the chip code and write the drivers from that information, for the most part, before they can implement it. Moreover, as Microsoft and the hardware manufacturers now work to create ever dumber devices [making them OS supported only] it becomes even more difficult for the Linux community to apply and support those deliberately DUMB devices.. Do some research... as my daughter says "Live Life Illuminated" or you can remain in the dark, that's a personal choice you will make. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com -- _________ "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message news:O3zDBhfwIHA.2068@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... | That was harsh, and so I should add... Yes, 98 was great. But you know as | well as I do that it had fatal flaws. It *had* to be replaced. Then we got | what we got from MS, which I recognize as an attempt to create a master OS | that would run in all kinds of "interwoven" devices. Nobody else has come | close to stepping up to the plate, yet. Numbers don't lie, Linux distros are | flat, and it's not like they aren't being marketed. Then there's the most | recent thing to decently boost Mac sales. The ability to run Windows XP | decently using a VM! | | -- | Gary S. Terhune | MS-MVP Shell/User | http://www.grystmill.com | | | "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | news:%23dJr$aewIHA.4492@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... | > | > "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | > news:%23bI12MdwIHA.3760@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... | >> Gary, you're wrong or uninformed. | > | > Hey, I'm just looking at the numbers. | > | >> Check out the comparisons to the newest Linux clones verses XP [or even | >> VISTA]. You can't ignore where the world is moving. Microsoft doesn't and | >> is | >> concerned. Between Apple and these clones, Microsoft has to rely upon | >> uniformed people to use its OSs, and coerce manufactures to follow its | >> designs, and force the use of its OSs. | > | > Again, the story is in the numbers -- FACTS. And again, capitalism is a | > FACT. The vast uninformed society is a FACT. Apple's upper-level quality | > (and price) are FACTS. Microsoft's predatory practices are FACTS. I don't | > dispute that "the world is moving", but it's moving at a snail's pace | > toward something nobody can yet foresee. | > | >> XP may suit your purposes, obviously it does, but that means little. | > | > Means a heck of a lot to me and everyone who uses it! | > | >> Wouldn't you rather run an OS which can be changed today, rather than | >> waiting a month or never, to have something fixed. | > | > No. I would not want my machine used as a test box every day. | > | >>Wouldn't you rather have | >> manufacturers working WITH users, rather than with Microsoft. | > | > Work with users in what way? I'd rather the hardware and the OS code got | > along, thank you, and I don't think it should be the OS getting changed | > every day in order to keep up with every whim of every hardware developer | > out there, much less the hardware manufacturers' "users". Again, you are | > describing chaos. | > | >>Wouldn't you | >> rather have thousands of code knowledgeable people helping to protect you | >> [with the opposite of course, but that's in Windows also so the | >> comparison | >> is negated]. | > | > Where do you get these "thousands of code-knowledgeable people"? And how | > am I supposed to choose who to listen to? No, now that I think abou tit, | > the LAST thing I want is a bunch of "code-knowledgeable people" helping | > me. I want other USERS helping me. I want the code people to busy | > themselves keeping the code in good order and I want them to ALL BE ON THE | > SAME TEAM! | > | >> Don't you wonder why Windows is supposedly mostly a secret coding, yet | >> just | >> about everyone can hack it [from 7 or 8 year olds up]? Why would you | >> support | >> a system in which the key features cause numerous issues of their own? | > | > No, I never wondered that. I knew the answer without having to actually | > ask the question. It's akin to a law of nature. But you imply that the | > other OSes are hack proof, or inherently less insecure, that they are | > without faults in logic, without vulnerabilities just as nasty as the ones | > you bemoan in WIndows, and that's a crock. | > | > And you still don't get it -- I have no big attachment to XP other than | > it's what gets the job done for me and none of the others could come | > close. My only other observation is that XP/Vista appear to be maintaining | > their share, or losing it at a snails pace at worst, and that this is due | > to basic capitalism. Microsoft, or anyone who seeks to replace them, need | > a brand new bag altogether, but I prefer the current state of affairs to | > the chaos you describe. | > | >> Ask yourself why you WOULD ignore these things, why you fight so | >> desperately to further an OS which you admit is not what it purports to | >> be.... Your ideas and arguments fall flat, by your own writings... | > | > How is it that you keep seeing me as "fighting" for XP/Vista/whatever? I | > have no dog in this fight. I just want the winner when the dust settles. | > For the last several years, that's been Windows XP and now this mongrel | > Vista. | > | >> Gary, the reason I'M here, is I have a small part in this monster called | >> Microsoft. I participated in the very earliest stages, provided the error | >> reports and suggestions, downloaded by long distance and at MY cost the | >> files by 2400 then 14.4 then 33.6 modem, defended [verbally] the parties | >> who | >> brought windows to the business world and were FIRED AND SUED for doing | >> so, | >> did the beta testing until Microsoft started CHARGING [how dense am I, ah | >> yeah, I supply the computer system which Microsoft trashes and which I | >> PAY | >> to have trashed] and a number of other things which I now regret.... no | >> matter how trivial or insignificant my part or input was, this 9X | >> environment is something I participated in and THOUGHT the world needed | >> [it | >> was, it brought computing to the masses as you indicate]. The NT | >> environment, which I also worked with though NEVER recommended, has, per | >> my | >> own testing, never been a good replacement for Unix or other servers. | >> That | >> it was forced into the home environment under false pretences is | >> something I | >> can not support. My position on XP was stated YEARS ago in this group, I | >> will never recommend it unless something changes, which SP3 did not | >> completely do. | > | > As PA Bear implied, you tend toward the Quixotic. I don't care about your | > theories and academic opinions, your howling in the night. Your worldview | > is at odds with reality. | > | > -- | > Gary S. Terhune | > MS-MVP Shell/User | > http://www.grystmill.com | > | > |
Guest MEB Posted May 30, 2008 Posted May 30, 2008 Re: What is Quick Time Re: What is Quick Time Not necessarily, you choose the path you follow. You posting or indicating an Indian forum SHOULD know that, are you Hindu or Buddhist.... What now that you have the call centers and off shore support, that supposedly makes you the most knowledgeable? Check what is going on in the world, be someone who seeks rather than follows. You have a lot to learn about the world. You're an ancient culture and nation, but a recent entry to the computing world. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com -- _________ "Darryl_Gittins" <Darryl_Gittins.3a7bjd@DoNotSpam.com> wrote in message news:Darryl_Gittins.3a7bjd@DoNotSpam.com... | | Microsoft has to rely upon uniformed people to use its Os's? Let me get | this straight. You alone are so wise, and the rest of us minions are | fools, are we? What incredible arrogance. What horrific ignorance. | | | -- | Darryl_Gittins | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Darryl_Gittins's Profile: http://forums.techarena.in/member.php?userid=50686 | View this thread: http://forums.techarena.in/showthread.php?t=977754 | | http://forums.techarena.in |
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted May 30, 2008 Posted May 30, 2008 Re: What is Quick Time Re: What is Quick Time There must be SOME kind of survey that reports decent stats on the usage, particularly in the industrial and large commercial settings. In my case, I freely admit that "my" public consists of home and SOHO users, and I'll bet the web stats aren't at all far off in those categories. Certainly not by any large order of magnitude. Besides, I don't know what you mean by "Windows information web sites." Are you trying to say that http://www.w3counter.com/globalstats.php is somehow rigged? And how many sites REQUIRE IE such that you can't even get there to be counted using Linux? As I said, maybe when I get the time. But I don't see much in the way of application support out there, much less hardware support. And you keep ignoring my main point: All your whining about dumb devices and Microsoft's stealing (let's not be coy, we both know they do it), and everything else is meaningless to me. A world built upon innumerable Linux distros and millions of independent programmers, and tons of tiny partnerships between programmers and hardware developers... I don't want any part of it. I *want* mass marketed and standardized products, even if they're dumb and crappy. As does most of the world. That's where the tilting at windmills part comes in, and I don't mean just you, I mean the whole utopian Linux crowd. They are invaluable to society, but they will never come near ruling it except in some self-satisfied sense of accomplishment. Now, I grant you that Linux lends itself to specialization, which could be wonderful in large networks in large companies, and Linux is perhaps making inroads there. But I'm betting it's just as slow going as in the personal/SOHO market. Then again, you say we have no stats for those. Still, I don't see those Web stats changing very quickly, nor the pace of that change changing very quickly. And while you might quibble with them a bit, you can't go changing them by orders of magnitude just on a hunch or based upon magazines, blogs, etc. The potential of Linux is and always has been just that--potential. If you want to convince me that Linux has any near-term chance to save the world from XP, then let's have the numbers. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:O1wWd%23gwIHA.552@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > Wrong. The free Linux versions don't read into the sales numbers as no one > knows how many are being run... Windows information web sites statistics > also are not reflective of use, nor are sites which REQUIRE Microsoft's > browsers, Linux users run these in an envelope to make it APPEAR to be the > proper browser and OS is used.... > > I would suggest you actually spend some time finding out about Linux > before making comments on what it can or can not do. Microsoft "borrows" a > good percentage of its ideas FROM the Linux world, and remember, the > programmers for Linux must generally first pull the chip code and write > the > drivers from that information, for the most part, before they can > implement > it. Moreover, as Microsoft and the hardware manufacturers now work to > create > ever dumber devices [making them OS supported only] it becomes even more > difficult for the Linux community to apply and support those deliberately > DUMB devices.. > > Do some research... as my daughter says "Live Life Illuminated" or you can > remain in the dark, that's a personal choice you will make. > > -- > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > -- > _________ > > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > news:O3zDBhfwIHA.2068@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > | That was harsh, and so I should add... Yes, 98 was great. But you know > as > | well as I do that it had fatal flaws. It *had* to be replaced. Then we > got > | what we got from MS, which I recognize as an attempt to create a master > OS > | that would run in all kinds of "interwoven" devices. Nobody else has > come > | close to stepping up to the plate, yet. Numbers don't lie, Linux distros > are > | flat, and it's not like they aren't being marketed. Then there's the > most > | recent thing to decently boost Mac sales. The ability to run Windows XP > | decently using a VM! > | > | -- > | Gary S. Terhune > | MS-MVP Shell/User > | http://www.grystmill.com > | > | > | "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > | news:%23dJr$aewIHA.4492@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > | > > | > "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message > | > news:%23bI12MdwIHA.3760@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > | >> Gary, you're wrong or uninformed. > | > > | > Hey, I'm just looking at the numbers. > | > > | >> Check out the comparisons to the newest Linux clones verses XP [or > even > | >> VISTA]. You can't ignore where the world is moving. Microsoft doesn't > and > | >> is > | >> concerned. Between Apple and these clones, Microsoft has to rely upon > | >> uniformed people to use its OSs, and coerce manufactures to follow > its > | >> designs, and force the use of its OSs. > | > > | > Again, the story is in the numbers -- FACTS. And again, capitalism is > a > | > FACT. The vast uninformed society is a FACT. Apple's upper-level > quality > | > (and price) are FACTS. Microsoft's predatory practices are FACTS. I > don't > | > dispute that "the world is moving", but it's moving at a snail's pace > | > toward something nobody can yet foresee. > | > > | >> XP may suit your purposes, obviously it does, but that means little. > | > > | > Means a heck of a lot to me and everyone who uses it! > | > > | >> Wouldn't you rather run an OS which can be changed today, rather than > | >> waiting a month or never, to have something fixed. > | > > | > No. I would not want my machine used as a test box every day. > | > > | >>Wouldn't you rather have > | >> manufacturers working WITH users, rather than with Microsoft. > | > > | > Work with users in what way? I'd rather the hardware and the OS code > got > | > along, thank you, and I don't think it should be the OS getting > changed > | > every day in order to keep up with every whim of every hardware > developer > | > out there, much less the hardware manufacturers' "users". Again, you > are > | > describing chaos. > | > > | >>Wouldn't you > | >> rather have thousands of code knowledgeable people helping to protect > you > | >> [with the opposite of course, but that's in Windows also so the > | >> comparison > | >> is negated]. > | > > | > Where do you get these "thousands of code-knowledgeable people"? And > how > | > am I supposed to choose who to listen to? No, now that I think abou > tit, > | > the LAST thing I want is a bunch of "code-knowledgeable people" > helping > | > me. I want other USERS helping me. I want the code people to busy > | > themselves keeping the code in good order and I want them to ALL BE ON > THE > | > SAME TEAM! > | > > | >> Don't you wonder why Windows is supposedly mostly a secret coding, > yet > | >> just > | >> about everyone can hack it [from 7 or 8 year olds up]? Why would you > | >> support > | >> a system in which the key features cause numerous issues of their > own? > | > > | > No, I never wondered that. I knew the answer without having to > actually > | > ask the question. It's akin to a law of nature. But you imply that the > | > other OSes are hack proof, or inherently less insecure, that they are > | > without faults in logic, without vulnerabilities just as nasty as the > ones > | > you bemoan in WIndows, and that's a crock. > | > > | > And you still don't get it -- I have no big attachment to XP other > than > | > it's what gets the job done for me and none of the others could come > | > close. My only other observation is that XP/Vista appear to be > maintaining > | > their share, or losing it at a snails pace at worst, and that this is > due > | > to basic capitalism. Microsoft, or anyone who seeks to replace them, > need > | > a brand new bag altogether, but I prefer the current state of affairs > to > | > the chaos you describe. > | > > | >> Ask yourself why you WOULD ignore these things, why you fight so > | >> desperately to further an OS which you admit is not what it purports > to > | >> be.... Your ideas and arguments fall flat, by your own writings... > | > > | > How is it that you keep seeing me as "fighting" for XP/Vista/whatever? > I > | > have no dog in this fight. I just want the winner when the dust > settles. > | > For the last several years, that's been Windows XP and now this > mongrel > | > Vista. > | > > | >> Gary, the reason I'M here, is I have a small part in this monster > called > | >> Microsoft. I participated in the very earliest stages, provided the > error > | >> reports and suggestions, downloaded by long distance and at MY cost > the > | >> files by 2400 then 14.4 then 33.6 modem, defended [verbally] the > parties > | >> who > | >> brought windows to the business world and were FIRED AND SUED for > doing > | >> so, > | >> did the beta testing until Microsoft started CHARGING [how dense am > I, > ah > | >> yeah, I supply the computer system which Microsoft trashes and which > I > | >> PAY > | >> to have trashed] and a number of other things which I now regret.... > no > | >> matter how trivial or insignificant my part or input was, this 9X > | >> environment is something I participated in and THOUGHT the world > needed > | >> [it > | >> was, it brought computing to the masses as you indicate]. The NT > | >> environment, which I also worked with though NEVER recommended, has, > per > | >> my > | >> own testing, never been a good replacement for Unix or other servers. > | >> That > | >> it was forced into the home environment under false pretences is > | >> something I > | >> can not support. My position on XP was stated YEARS ago in this > group, > I > | >> will never recommend it unless something changes, which SP3 did not > | >> completely do. > | > > | > As PA Bear implied, you tend toward the Quixotic. I don't care about > your > | > theories and academic opinions, your howling in the night. Your > worldview > | > is at odds with reality. > | > > | > -- > | > Gary S. Terhune > | > MS-MVP Shell/User > | > http://www.grystmill.com > | > > | > > | > >
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted May 30, 2008 Posted May 30, 2008 Re: What is Quick Time Re: What is Quick Time Why must you harp on the obvious? I, personally, would recommend not running QT at all, and I don't, not even on my XP systems. But lots of people use certain types of files that only QT will handle, or in the case at hand, it's inexorably combined with her camera software (a very old camera with no twain driver, IIRC, though I'll learn more as time passes.) And she has irreplaceable MOV files that are dear to her heart... So, what would YOU recommend? Leave in the old QT the way it is, or update it and hope that uninstalling the old version is a major part of that update. And, please tell us, what is the alternative to Sun Java these days? Ginny is shopping for a new machine, XP probably, but she may be forced to Vista, and she can't afford a Mac and she'll not want the total new learning experience that Linux would entail... So what do you recommend? Again, you are complaining about security in legacy applications when they're being run on a totally insecure and obsolete system in the first place. Oh, and FYI, I downloaded QT v. 6.5.2, since that is the last one the works on 9x. Really, Maurice. What would you have us do? Pull the power cords? Live in perpetual fear of the inevitable bugs and vulnerabilities in software that is racing to keep up with the demands of the YouTube generation? -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:%232u%23DzgwIHA.1436@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > SEE APPLE QuickTime US CERT warnings/alert I posted in this group on > 04/04/2008 [see suggestion and, responses provided alternatives or > recommendations], also see older QT warnings this group and elsewhere.. > > REFERENCE > National Cyber Alert System > Technical Cyber Security Alert TA08-094A > Apple Updates for Multiple Vulnerabilities > Original release date: April 3, 2008 > > SEE ALSO: > "One of the fastest growing threats - the web site you visit" - MEB > 05/01/2008 - this group, ignore the more ignorant responses [consider with > the Flash vulnerabilities FINALLY addressed, though its still vulnerable]. > AND: > SUN JAVA Technical Cyber Security Alert TA08-066A - posted here 03-07-2008 > if you intend to use SUN. > , > > -- > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > -- > _________ > > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > news:uib%23sCWwIHA.3780@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > | Decided to run the latest installer I have to see if it tells you up > front > | what version... There it was in huge letters. 6.5.1. And it was released > | prior to December '04, not '05. Another of my many brain farts today. > What > | IS strange is that I have no versions prior to that in the places I'd > expect > | to find them. I'm a true packrat when it comes to that kind of stuff. > Gotta > | be earlier versions here, somewhere. Ahh, here we go. Versions 4 & 5... > All > | I'm missing is 3 and I just didn't feel like waiting for Search to > complete > | inspection of my vast ZIPped archives, my backups of backups, etc. > | > | -- > | Gary S. Terhune > | MS-MVP Shell/User > | http://www.grystmill.com > | > | "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message > | news:u0r7OqVwIHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > | >I do know that QT version 5 at least works on Win98SE. I stopped > there, > | >as I started getting tired of the bloat (as is so often the case) with > the > | >newer versions. > | > > | > Gary S. Terhune wrote: > | >> Leave it for now. I'll have you a full answer tomorrow if I can. What > | >> you've > | >> probably got is the same ancient, dangerous, version that MEB was > | >> complaining about. We need to find the latest version that will still > run > | >> on > | >> 9x. I'm may have it, but I'm in the middle of rebuilding my 98 box so > I > | >> can't test and make sure, know how to instruct you in its > installation, > | >> etc. > | >> > | >> (Actually, I coulda sworn I found v.6 on the QT site and that it > works > | >> with > | >> Win98, but I guess I'll have to go through my History to find it. > | >> Assuming I > | >> don't already have it. Latest version I could find quickly was one I > | >> downloaded in late '05.) > | >> > | >> -- > | >> Gary S. Terhune > | >> MS-MVP Shell/User > | >> http://www.grystmill.com > | >> > | >> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message > | >> news:483e4acf$0$25060$607ed4bc@cv.net... > | >>> I googled one of the missing Quick Time files QT32INST.EXE > downloaded > it > | >>> and ran it > | >>> and it repaired Quick Time. It even installed the QTW32DEL.EXE that > was > | >>> missing. Now > | >>> I have both of the Quick Time logos QT & QT32 in my add/remove > programs > | >>> and in > | >>> Control Panel. I don't believe the QT one works but my movies are > | >>> playing > | >>> well, > | >>> automatically with the Quick Time 32. So I am leaving it alone as I > am > | >>> sure there are > | >>> shared files. Unless anyone has any ideas as to how to get rid of it > | >>> without hurting > | >>> Quick Time 32. > | >>> > | >>> > | >>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > | >>> news:uPfCyEUwIHA.548@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > | >>>> I need YOU to be more patient. And to stop posting wherever you > feel > | >>>> like > | >>>> it. I know this is a long and multi-threaded issue, but it's your > | >>>> responsibility to find the proper thread and post to respond to. If > you > | >>>> think it's missing, then at least go back to the top of this thread > | >>>> ("IE > | >>>> works so far", not "What is Quick Time") to post your "I'm lost" > post. > | >>>> While > | >>>> this was intended to be a wrap-up thread for the original issue, > you're > | >>>> now > | >>>> tacking new issues onto it, like this whole Sygate/QT thread. No > need > | >>>> to > | >>>> further muck up the works by adding more to this sub-thread. > | >>>> > | >>>> So be patient, I have had to answer lots of posts today and some in > | >>>> depth, > | >>>> and I've done a lot of research on your part and on the part of > others. > | >>>> I > | >>>> also had to rebuild my 98 machine, eat, etc., etc. And because you > | >>>> posted > | >>>> these MSXML questions here instead of where they belong, *I* have > to > go > | >>>> searching for wherever in this mess the posts regarding MSXML > update, > | >>>> etc., > | >>>> is located. I'll post/repost there and answer your question(s) > there. > | >>>> > | >>>> -- > | >>>> Gary S. Terhune > | >>>> MS-MVP Shell/User > | >>>> http://www.grystmill.com > | >>>> > | >>>> > | >>>> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message > | >>>> news:483e2660$0$25036$607ed4bc@cv.net... > | >>>>> I need you to read my most recent postings. > | >>>>> !. I am confused about the MSXML4sp2 updated and what to delete. I > | >>>>> need > | >>>>> it > | >>>>> explained more clearly, please. > | >>>>> 2. Quick Time doesn't have an uninstaller. When I hit add/remove > | >>>>> programs > | >>>>> it > | >>>>> said it was uninstalling my Camedia (the program I attach my > digital > | >>>>> camera > | >>>>> to the computer...that was o.k. > | >>>>> But, there is nothing that says uninstall quick Time, It only > gives > | >>>>> the > | >>>>> option to remove extensions. (in add/remove programs) and it says > that > | >>>>> I > | >>>>> shouldn't do that. > | >>>>> In Internet Options when I click it. It tells me that I should > | >>>>> uninstall > | >>>>> and > | >>>>> install again as I am missing 2 exe files. > | >>>>> If I put the CD in the drive....will that give me an option to > | >>>>> uninstall? > | >>>>> > | >>>>> > | >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > | >>>>> From: "Gary S. Terhune" <none> > | >>>>> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion > | >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 11:21 PM > | >>>>> Subject: Re: IE Running well so far > | >>>>> > | >>>>> > | >>>>>> Then you DO have that very old version MEB was talking about. You > | >>>>>> should > | >>>>>> uninstall it, then hope your banking site doesn't require it. > Might > | >>>>>> just > | >>>>>> look different but still work. (I thought I had a link to the > last > | >>>>>> version > | >>>>>> that worked with Win98, but I'll have to look deeper.) > | >>>>>> > | >>>>>> -- > | >>>>>> Gary S. Terhune > | >>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User > | >>>>>> http://www.grystmill.com > | >>>>>> > | >>>>>> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message > | >>>>>> news:483e04fb$0$15193$607ed4bc@cv.net... > | >>>>>>> Sorry, Gary I got side tracked trying to get online again. I > will > | >>>>>>> uninstall that > | >>>>>>> update(4.0sdk). > | >>>>>>> The 2 Q Times are in Internet Options- Control Panel. Q time > says > if > | >>>>>>> I > | >>>>>>> uninstall it I > | >>>>>>> will uninstall the program it came with. I haven't the slightest > | >>>>>>> idea > | >>>>> what > | >>>>>>> it came > | >>>>>>> with . It is not in any of my Programs under Start. Further > | >>>>>>> investigation > | >>>>>>> shows that > | >>>>>>> the version is 2.1.2.59 (Quick Time for Windows) It says it is > for > | >>>>>>> Window 95 and is missing QT32INST.EXE AND QTW32EEL.EXE....which > is > | >>>>>>> why > | >>>>>>> I > | >>>>>>> can't open > | >>>>>>> it. It says I should uninstall and reinstall but I don't know > what > | >>>>>>> CD > | >>>>> it > | >>>>>>> would be on > | >>>>>>> to re-install. > | >>>>>>> > | >>>>>>> I will uninstall the 4.0sp1 now, after I make sure I can get > online. > | >>>>>>> Gin > | >>>>>>> > | >>>>>>> > | >>>>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > | >>>>>>> news:u44BNBOwIHA.4916@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > | >>>>>>>> You still have MSXML 4.0 SP1. Here's some updates you might > want > to > | >>>>>>>> consider: > | >>>>>>>> First, uninstall that Update we installed that includes the > SDK. > If > | >>>>>>>> you're > | >>>>>>>> not sure which one, write down any entry that includes MSXML > and > | >>>>>>>> post > | >>>>> it > | >>>>>>>> here. After uninstalling that, then get: > | >>>>>>>> > | >>>>>>>> MSXML 4.0 Service Pack 2 http://tinyurl.com/59qer > | >>>>>>>> > | >>>>>>>> then this patch: > | >>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/y6a2sl > | >>>>>>>> > | >>>>>>>> -- > | >>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune > | >>>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User > | >>>>>>>> http://www.grystmill.com > | >>>>>>>> > | >>>>>>>> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message > | >>>>>>>> news:483cf7f0$0$15192$607ed4bc@cv.net... > | >>>>>>>>> All three are version 4.10.9404.0 and they were all created > | >>>>>>>>> 2/4/02. > | >>>>>>>>> msxml4.dll is 80.5 KB, msxml4r.dll is 1.17 MB, msxml4a.dll is > | >>>>>>>>> 43.5 > | >>>>> KB. > | >>>>>>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > | >>>>> > | >>>>> > | >>>>> > | >>>>> > | >>>>> > | >>>>> > | >>>>> > | >>>>> > | >>>>> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message > | >>>>> news:483e234b$0$25024$607ed4bc@cv.net... > | >>>>>> One of my posts has 'gone missing' and I'm sitting here unclear > about > | >>>>>> how > | >>>>>> to do > | >>>>> this > | >>>>>> service patch . I downloaded msxml4-KB927978-enu.exe (file > version > | >>>>>> 1)....., (I > | >>>>> typed > | >>>>>> in tinyurl.com/y6a2sl and it redirected me to this MSXML 4.0 > Service > | >>>>>> Pack2 > | >>>>>> (Microsoft XML Core Services) - I think that is what I > downloaded. > Is > | >>>>>> that the > | >>>>> first > | >>>>>> one or the second one?? > | >>>>>> Also....What am I supposed to post here and uninstall from my > | >>>>>> system??? > | >>>>>> I am > | >>>>>> confused. Thanks. Gin > | >>>>>> > | >>>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > | >>>>>> news:eVflMSTwIHA.4952@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > | >>>>>>> Sygate uses a database that started out blank. *Everything* you > do > | >>>>>>> for > | >>>>>>> a > | >>>>>>> while will be a "change" to Sygate. If it's a program you > recognize, > | >>>>>>> then, > | >>>>>>> short of doing a lot more research, you have no choice but to > trust > | >>>>>>> that > | >>>>>>> it's not a malware DLL in disguise, and approve the update to > | >>>>>>> Sygate's > | >>>>>>> database. Once you've finished training it, then when it says > | >>>>>>> "change" > | >>>>>>> it > | >>>>>>> will almost always actually mean "change". Then you are expected > to > | >>>>>>> be > | >>>>>>> able > | >>>>>>> to remember recent changes to your system and update Sygate > | >>>>>>> appropriately. > | >>>>>>> > | >>>>>>> If it's a question you have about the program that is being > cited, > | >>>>>>> like > | >>>>>>> you > | >>>>>>> did with QT, then you do as you did: ask about it, do some > research. > | >>>>>>> But try > | >>>>>>> to refrain from acting on our advice, or even stuff you read > | >>>>>>> elsewhere > | >>>>>>> using > | >>>>>>> Google, etc., too quickly, not even mine, in case there's an > | >>>>>>> important > | >>>>>>> (or > | >>>>>>> even minor) correction, contradiction or addendum to that advice > in > | >>>>>>> the > | >>>>>>> near > | >>>>>>> future. > | >>>>>>> > | >>>>>>> In this case, besides just what QT stands for, you should have > | >>>>>>> learned > | >>>>>>> enough in this thread to ask yourself, "Just how old IS that > | >>>>>>> QuickTime > | >>>>>>> of > | >>>>>>> mine, anyway?" and "Maybe I should uninstall it and then install > the > | >>>>>>> latest > | >>>>>>> version if I find I need it later." So, in a way, Sygate is > teaching > | >>>>>>> you, > | >>>>>>> too. > | >>>>>>> > | >>>>>>> -- > | >>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune > | >>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User > | >>>>>>> http://www.grystmill.com > | >>>>>>> > | >>>>>>> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message > | >>>>>>> news:483df8c8$0$25052$607ed4bc@cv.net... > | >>>>>>>> I don't mind training something. I simply don;t know if it is > o.k. > | >>>>>>>> to > | >>>>>>>> allow > | >>>>>>>> every > | >>>>>>>> program to add new .dlls to my Internet Explorer and Outlook > | >>>>>>>> Express. If > | >>>>>>>> it is > | >>>>>>>> harmless, I will simply say yes. and go about my business. But > it > | >>>>>>>> seems to > | >>>>>>>> me we > | >>>>>>>> spent an awful lot of time getting rid of .dlls that didn't > belong > | >>>>>>>> and > | >>>>>>>> putting in > | >>>>>>>> .dlls that had disappeared. My question was simple. Do I allow > my > | >>>>>>>> Internet > | >>>>>>>> Explorer > | >>>>>>>> and Outlook Express to be changed by my programs. > | >>>>>>>> It doesn't say that Sygate is changing anything. It is Sygate > | >>>>>>>> reporting to > | >>>>>>>> me that > | >>>>>>>> these programs are changing my IE & OE. I assumed that before > | >>>>>>>> Sygate, > | >>>>>>>> my > | >>>>>>>> programs > | >>>>>>>> were doing this but I just didn't know. Am I making any sense? > | >>>>>>>> > | >>>>>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > | >>>>>>>> news:%239wnV0RwIHA.2360@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > | >>>>>>>>> My guess is that the page you went to includes items that are > | >>>>>>>>> viewed > | >>>>>>>>> using a > | >>>>>>>>> QT plugin. What you describe (QT and QT32) sound like plugins > and > | >>>>>>>>> they > | >>>>>>>>> are > | >>>>>>>>> just different versions of the same thing (16-bit and 32-bit), > | >>>>>>>>> installed > | >>>>>>>>> by > | >>>>>>>>> the same installer. Where are these things listed in Internet > | >>>>>>>>> Options? On > | >>>>>>>>> what tab, under what button? (Sorry, I can't check against my > | >>>>>>>>> system > | >>>>>>>>> as I > | >>>>>>>>> am > | >>>>>>>>> in the process of rebuilding it.) Anyway, if it bugs you, just > | >>>>>>>>> uninstall > | >>>>>>>>> QT > | >>>>>>>>> in Add/Remove Programs and see what happens. You can always go > | >>>>>>>>> back > | >>>>>>>>> and > | >>>>>>>>> reinstall it if you discover you need it. > | >>>>>>>>> > | >>>>>>>>> But your biggest problem is that you can't stand having to > train > | >>>>>>>>> that > | >>>>>>>>> firewall. If you aren't willing to go through that process, > | >>>>>>>>> uninstall it > | >>>>>>>>> and > | >>>>>>>>> either use something else or nothing at all. You already have > | >>>>>>>>> pretty > | >>>>>>>>> decent > | >>>>>>>>> protection against intrusion. Believe me, that firewall isn't > | >>>>>>>>> done > | >>>>>>>>> bugging > | >>>>>>>>> you, not by a LONG shot. > | >>>>>>>>> > | >>>>>>>>> -- > | >>>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune > | >>>>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User > | >>>>>>>>> http://www.grystmill.com > | >>>>>>>>> > | >>>>>>>>> > | >>>>>>>>> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message > | >>>>>>>>> news:483de66d$0$11610$607ed4bc@cv.net... > | >>>>>>>>>> I have Quick Time and Quick Time32 in my Internet Options. I > | >>>>>>>>>> have > | >>>>>>>>>> Quick > | >>>>>>>>>> Time in > | >>>>>>>>>> Add/Remove programs. I went to Chase to transfer some money > to > | >>>>>>>>>> my > | >>>>>>>>>> son > | >>>>>>>>>> and > | >>>>>>>>>> another > | >>>>>>>>>> popup occurred saying: "Quick Time has install the following > | >>>>>>>>>> (long > | >>>>>>>>>> list) > | >>>>>>>>>> of > | >>>>>>>>>> components to your system, do you want them to access the > | >>>>>>>>>> internet." > | >>>>>>>>>> Why > | >>>>>>>>>> would I want > | >>>>>>>>>> them to access the internet and change my Internet Explorer > | >>>>>>>>>> while > | >>>>>>>>>> I am > | >>>>>>>>>> trying to do > | >>>>>>>>>> banking??? When I said 'no' , I was unable to continue. I > would > | >>>>>>>>>> like to > | >>>>>>>>>> uninstall > | >>>>>>>>>> both of them. (I only have uninstall for QT) and I don't know > | >>>>>>>>>> what > | >>>>>>>>>> QT32 > | >>>>>>>>>> is!!! A > | >>>>>>>>>> little hint please. I am going to try again to get into my > | >>>>>>>>>> bank. > | >>>>>>>>>> Ginny > | >>>>>>>>>> > | >>>>>>>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > | >>>>>>>>>> news:utbNAQRwIHA.4772@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > | >>>>>>>>>>> Don't be. It's not your fault MEB got up on the wrong side > of > | >>>>>>>>>>> the > | >>>>>>>>>>> bed > | >>>>>>>>>>> this > | >>>>>>>>>>> morning and/or is otherwise distracted, or so it seems. > Though > | >>>>>>>>>>> I > | >>>>>>>>>>> must > | >>>>>>>>>>> say > | >>>>>>>>>>> it's interesting to see his true colors when it comes to his > | >>>>>>>>>>> feelings > | >>>>>>>>>>> about > | >>>>>>>>>>> XP. > | >>>>>>>>>>> > | >>>>>>>>>>> -- > | >>>>>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune > | >>>>>>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User > | >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.grystmill.com > | >>>>>>>>>>> > | >>>>>>>>>>> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message > | >>>>>>>>>>> news:483dd8cc$1$11631$607ed4bc@cv.net... > | >>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry I asked!!! Ginny > | > > | > > | > >
Guest MEB Posted May 30, 2008 Posted May 30, 2008 Re: What is Quick Time Re: What is Quick Time No Gary, I thought you were helping setup her computer just some FYI reminders. You LIMIT, via the firewall, EXACTLY where QT can be used, by SITE. Same as for any troublesome application.... she needs it for the bank, then that's what it is allowed to connect with, she needs it only for local materials, then it gets no outside access... As for JAVA, this box still uses Microsoft's version... guess what, that LIMITS what hacks can be used... 98 CAN be made secure enough to use for "most" of the Internet with a little thought applied. As for the UTUBE generation,, well, I deal with them almost daily, they aren't very impressive nor do they care much ... then again I suppose such was said about us, but the leverage is: dis ain't loud music er da tv, dis be da world and it eats da dumb fer breakfast... -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com -- _________ "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message news:eylFErhwIHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... | Why must you harp on the obvious? I, personally, would recommend not running | QT at all, and I don't, not even on my XP systems. But lots of people use | certain types of files that only QT will handle, or in the case at hand, | it's inexorably combined with her camera software (a very old camera with no | twain driver, IIRC, though I'll learn more as time passes.) And she has | irreplaceable MOV files that are dear to her heart... | | So, what would YOU recommend? Leave in the old QT the way it is, or update | it and hope that uninstalling the old version is a major part of that | update. | | And, please tell us, what is the alternative to Sun Java these days? | | Ginny is shopping for a new machine, XP probably, but she may be forced to | Vista, and she can't afford a Mac and she'll not want the total new learning | experience that Linux would entail... So what do you recommend? | | Again, you are complaining about security in legacy applications when | they're being run on a totally insecure and obsolete system in the first | place. | | Oh, and FYI, I downloaded QT v. 6.5.2, since that is the last one the works | on 9x. | | Really, Maurice. What would you have us do? Pull the power cords? Live in | perpetual fear of the inevitable bugs and vulnerabilities in software that | is racing to keep up with the demands of the YouTube generation? | | -- | Gary S. Terhune | MS-MVP Shell/User | http://www.grystmill.com | | | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | news:%232u%23DzgwIHA.1436@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... | > SEE APPLE QuickTime US CERT warnings/alert I posted in this group on | > 04/04/2008 [see suggestion and, responses provided alternatives or | > recommendations], also see older QT warnings this group and elsewhere.. | > | > REFERENCE | > National Cyber Alert System | > Technical Cyber Security Alert TA08-094A | > Apple Updates for Multiple Vulnerabilities | > Original release date: April 3, 2008 | > | > SEE ALSO: | > "One of the fastest growing threats - the web site you visit" - MEB | > 05/01/2008 - this group, ignore the more ignorant responses [consider with | > the Flash vulnerabilities FINALLY addressed, though its still vulnerable]. | > AND: | > SUN JAVA Technical Cyber Security Alert TA08-066A - posted here 03-07-2008 | > if you intend to use SUN. | > , | > | > -- | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | > -- | > _________ | > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | > news:uib%23sCWwIHA.3780@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... | > | Decided to run the latest installer I have to see if it tells you up | > front | > | what version... There it was in huge letters. 6.5.1. And it was released | > | prior to December '04, not '05. Another of my many brain farts today. | > What | > | IS strange is that I have no versions prior to that in the places I'd | > expect | > | to find them. I'm a true packrat when it comes to that kind of stuff. | > Gotta | > | be earlier versions here, somewhere. Ahh, here we go. Versions 4 & 5... | > All | > | I'm missing is 3 and I just didn't feel like waiting for Search to | > complete | > | inspection of my vast ZIPped archives, my backups of backups, etc. | > | | > | -- | > | Gary S. Terhune | > | MS-MVP Shell/User | > | http://www.grystmill.com | > | | > | "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message | > | news:u0r7OqVwIHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... | > | >I do know that QT version 5 at least works on Win98SE. I stopped | > there, | > | >as I started getting tired of the bloat (as is so often the case) with | > the | > | >newer versions. | > | > | > | > Gary S. Terhune wrote: | > | >> Leave it for now. I'll have you a full answer tomorrow if I can. What | > | >> you've | > | >> probably got is the same ancient, dangerous, version that MEB was | > | >> complaining about. We need to find the latest version that will still | > run | > | >> on | > | >> 9x. I'm may have it, but I'm in the middle of rebuilding my 98 box so | > I | > | >> can't test and make sure, know how to instruct you in its | > installation, | > | >> etc. | > | >> | > | >> (Actually, I coulda sworn I found v.6 on the QT site and that it | > works | > | >> with | > | >> Win98, but I guess I'll have to go through my History to find it. | > | >> Assuming I | > | >> don't already have it. Latest version I could find quickly was one I | > | >> downloaded in late '05.) | > | >> | > | >> -- | > | >> Gary S. Terhune | > | >> MS-MVP Shell/User | > | >> http://www.grystmill.com | > | >> | > | >> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message | > | >> news:483e4acf$0$25060$607ed4bc@cv.net... | > | >>> I googled one of the missing Quick Time files QT32INST.EXE | > downloaded | > it | > | >>> and ran it | > | >>> and it repaired Quick Time. It even installed the QTW32DEL.EXE that | > was | > | >>> missing. Now | > | >>> I have both of the Quick Time logos QT & QT32 in my add/remove | > programs | > | >>> and in | > | >>> Control Panel. I don't believe the QT one works but my movies are | > | >>> playing | > | >>> well, | > | >>> automatically with the Quick Time 32. So I am leaving it alone as I | > am | > | >>> sure there are | > | >>> shared files. Unless anyone has any ideas as to how to get rid of it | > | >>> without hurting | > | >>> Quick Time 32. | > | >>> | > | >>> | > | >>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | > | >>> news:uPfCyEUwIHA.548@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... | > | >>>> I need YOU to be more patient. And to stop posting wherever you | > feel | > | >>>> like | > | >>>> it. I know this is a long and multi-threaded issue, but it's your | > | >>>> responsibility to find the proper thread and post to respond to. If | > you | > | >>>> think it's missing, then at least go back to the top of this thread | > | >>>> ("IE | > | >>>> works so far", not "What is Quick Time") to post your "I'm lost" | > post. | > | >>>> While | > | >>>> this was intended to be a wrap-up thread for the original issue, | > you're | > | >>>> now | > | >>>> tacking new issues onto it, like this whole Sygate/QT thread. No | > need | > | >>>> to | > | >>>> further muck up the works by adding more to this sub-thread. | > | >>>> | > | >>>> So be patient, I have had to answer lots of posts today and some in | > | >>>> depth, | > | >>>> and I've done a lot of research on your part and on the part of | > others. | > | >>>> I | > | >>>> also had to rebuild my 98 machine, eat, etc., etc. And because you | > | >>>> posted | > | >>>> these MSXML questions here instead of where they belong, *I* have | > to | > go | > | >>>> searching for wherever in this mess the posts regarding MSXML | > update, | > | >>>> etc., | > | >>>> is located. I'll post/repost there and answer your question(s) | > there. | > | >>>> | > | >>>> -- | > | >>>> Gary S. Terhune | > | >>>> MS-MVP Shell/User | > | >>>> http://www.grystmill.com | > | >>>> | > | >>>> | > | >>>> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message | > | >>>> news:483e2660$0$25036$607ed4bc@cv.net... | > | >>>>> I need you to read my most recent postings. | > | >>>>> !. I am confused about the MSXML4sp2 updated and what to delete. I | > | >>>>> need | > | >>>>> it | > | >>>>> explained more clearly, please. | > | >>>>> 2. Quick Time doesn't have an uninstaller. When I hit add/remove | > | >>>>> programs | > | >>>>> it | > | >>>>> said it was uninstalling my Camedia (the program I attach my | > digital | > | >>>>> camera | > | >>>>> to the computer...that was o.k. | > | >>>>> But, there is nothing that says uninstall quick Time, It only | > gives | > | >>>>> the | > | >>>>> option to remove extensions. (in add/remove programs) and it says | > that | > | >>>>> I | > | >>>>> shouldn't do that. | > | >>>>> In Internet Options when I click it. It tells me that I should | > | >>>>> uninstall | > | >>>>> and | > | >>>>> install again as I am missing 2 exe files. | > | >>>>> If I put the CD in the drive....will that give me an option to | > | >>>>> uninstall? | > | >>>>> | > | >>>>> | > | >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- | > | >>>>> From: "Gary S. Terhune" <none> | > | >>>>> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion | > | >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 11:21 PM | > | >>>>> Subject: Re: IE Running well so far | > | >>>>> | > | >>>>> | > | >>>>>> Then you DO have that very old version MEB was talking about. You | > | >>>>>> should | > | >>>>>> uninstall it, then hope your banking site doesn't require it. | > Might | > | >>>>>> just | > | >>>>>> look different but still work. (I thought I had a link to the | > last | > | >>>>>> version | > | >>>>>> that worked with Win98, but I'll have to look deeper.) | > | >>>>>> | > | >>>>>> -- | > | >>>>>> Gary S. Terhune | > | >>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User | > | >>>>>> http://www.grystmill.com | > | >>>>>> | > | >>>>>> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message | > | >>>>>> news:483e04fb$0$15193$607ed4bc@cv.net... | > | >>>>>>> Sorry, Gary I got side tracked trying to get online again. I | > will | > | >>>>>>> uninstall that | > | >>>>>>> update(4.0sdk). | > | >>>>>>> The 2 Q Times are in Internet Options- Control Panel. Q time | > says | > if | > | >>>>>>> I | > | >>>>>>> uninstall it I | > | >>>>>>> will uninstall the program it came with. I haven't the slightest | > | >>>>>>> idea | > | >>>>> what | > | >>>>>>> it came | > | >>>>>>> with . It is not in any of my Programs under Start. Further | > | >>>>>>> investigation | > | >>>>>>> shows that | > | >>>>>>> the version is 2.1.2.59 (Quick Time for Windows) It says it is | > for | > | >>>>>>> Window 95 and is missing QT32INST.EXE AND QTW32EEL.EXE....which | > is | > | >>>>>>> why | > | >>>>>>> I | > | >>>>>>> can't open | > | >>>>>>> it. It says I should uninstall and reinstall but I don't know | > what | > | >>>>>>> CD | > | >>>>> it | > | >>>>>>> would be on | > | >>>>>>> to re-install. | > | >>>>>>> | > | >>>>>>> I will uninstall the 4.0sp1 now, after I make sure I can get | > online. | > | >>>>>>> Gin | > | >>>>>>> | > | >>>>>>> | > | >>>>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | > | >>>>>>> news:u44BNBOwIHA.4916@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... | > | >>>>>>>> You still have MSXML 4.0 SP1. Here's some updates you might | > want | > to | > | >>>>>>>> consider: | > | >>>>>>>> First, uninstall that Update we installed that includes the | > SDK. | > If | > | >>>>>>>> you're | > | >>>>>>>> not sure which one, write down any entry that includes MSXML | > and | > | >>>>>>>> post | > | >>>>> it | > | >>>>>>>> here. After uninstalling that, then get: | > | >>>>>>>> | > | >>>>>>>> MSXML 4.0 Service Pack 2 http://tinyurl.com/59qer | > | >>>>>>>> | > | >>>>>>>> then this patch: | > | >>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/y6a2sl | > | >>>>>>>> | > | >>>>>>>> -- | > | >>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune | > | >>>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User | > | >>>>>>>> http://www.grystmill.com | > | >>>>>>>> | > | >>>>>>>> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message | > | >>>>>>>> news:483cf7f0$0$15192$607ed4bc@cv.net... | > | >>>>>>>>> All three are version 4.10.9404.0 and they were all created | > | >>>>>>>>> 2/4/02. | > | >>>>>>>>> msxml4.dll is 80.5 KB, msxml4r.dll is 1.17 MB, msxml4a.dll is | > | >>>>>>>>> 43.5 | > | >>>>> KB. | > | >>>>>>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | > | >>>>> | > | >>>>> | > | >>>>> | > | >>>>> | > | >>>>> | > | >>>>> | > | >>>>> | > | >>>>> | > | >>>>> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message | > | >>>>> news:483e234b$0$25024$607ed4bc@cv.net... | > | >>>>>> One of my posts has 'gone missing' and I'm sitting here unclear | > about | > | >>>>>> how | > | >>>>>> to do | > | >>>>> this | > | >>>>>> service patch . I downloaded msxml4-KB927978-enu.exe (file | > version | > | >>>>>> 1)....., (I | > | >>>>> typed | > | >>>>>> in tinyurl.com/y6a2sl and it redirected me to this MSXML 4.0 | > Service | > | >>>>>> Pack2 | > | >>>>>> (Microsoft XML Core Services) - I think that is what I | > downloaded. | > Is | > | >>>>>> that the | > | >>>>> first | > | >>>>>> one or the second one?? | > | >>>>>> Also....What am I supposed to post here and uninstall from my | > | >>>>>> system??? | > | >>>>>> I am | > | >>>>>> confused. Thanks. Gin | > | >>>>>> | > | >>>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | > | >>>>>> news:eVflMSTwIHA.4952@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... | > | >>>>>>> Sygate uses a database that started out blank. *Everything* you | > do | > | >>>>>>> for | > | >>>>>>> a | > | >>>>>>> while will be a "change" to Sygate. If it's a program you | > recognize, | > | >>>>>>> then, | > | >>>>>>> short of doing a lot more research, you have no choice but to | > trust | > | >>>>>>> that | > | >>>>>>> it's not a malware DLL in disguise, and approve the update to | > | >>>>>>> Sygate's | > | >>>>>>> database. Once you've finished training it, then when it says | > | >>>>>>> "change" | > | >>>>>>> it | > | >>>>>>> will almost always actually mean "change". Then you are expected | > to | > | >>>>>>> be | > | >>>>>>> able | > | >>>>>>> to remember recent changes to your system and update Sygate | > | >>>>>>> appropriately. | > | >>>>>>> | > | >>>>>>> If it's a question you have about the program that is being | > cited, | > | >>>>>>> like | > | >>>>>>> you | > | >>>>>>> did with QT, then you do as you did: ask about it, do some | > research. | > | >>>>>>> But try | > | >>>>>>> to refrain from acting on our advice, or even stuff you read | > | >>>>>>> elsewhere | > | >>>>>>> using | > | >>>>>>> Google, etc., too quickly, not even mine, in case there's an | > | >>>>>>> important | > | >>>>>>> (or | > | >>>>>>> even minor) correction, contradiction or addendum to that advice | > in | > | >>>>>>> the | > | >>>>>>> near | > | >>>>>>> future. | > | >>>>>>> | > | >>>>>>> In this case, besides just what QT stands for, you should have | > | >>>>>>> learned | > | >>>>>>> enough in this thread to ask yourself, "Just how old IS that | > | >>>>>>> QuickTime | > | >>>>>>> of | > | >>>>>>> mine, anyway?" and "Maybe I should uninstall it and then install | > the | > | >>>>>>> latest | > | >>>>>>> version if I find I need it later." So, in a way, Sygate is | > teaching | > | >>>>>>> you, | > | >>>>>>> too. | > | >>>>>>> | > | >>>>>>> -- | > | >>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune | > | >>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User | > | >>>>>>> http://www.grystmill.com | > | >>>>>>> | > | >>>>>>> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message | > | >>>>>>> news:483df8c8$0$25052$607ed4bc@cv.net... | > | >>>>>>>> I don't mind training something. I simply don;t know if it is | > o.k. | > | >>>>>>>> to | > | >>>>>>>> allow | > | >>>>>>>> every | > | >>>>>>>> program to add new .dlls to my Internet Explorer and Outlook | > | >>>>>>>> Express. If | > | >>>>>>>> it is | > | >>>>>>>> harmless, I will simply say yes. and go about my business. But | > it | > | >>>>>>>> seems to | > | >>>>>>>> me we | > | >>>>>>>> spent an awful lot of time getting rid of .dlls that didn't | > belong | > | >>>>>>>> and | > | >>>>>>>> putting in | > | >>>>>>>> .dlls that had disappeared. My question was simple. Do I allow | > my | > | >>>>>>>> Internet | > | >>>>>>>> Explorer | > | >>>>>>>> and Outlook Express to be changed by my programs. | > | >>>>>>>> It doesn't say that Sygate is changing anything. It is Sygate | > | >>>>>>>> reporting to | > | >>>>>>>> me that | > | >>>>>>>> these programs are changing my IE & OE. I assumed that before | > | >>>>>>>> Sygate, | > | >>>>>>>> my | > | >>>>>>>> programs | > | >>>>>>>> were doing this but I just didn't know. Am I making any sense? | > | >>>>>>>> | > | >>>>>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | > | >>>>>>>> news:%239wnV0RwIHA.2360@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... | > | >>>>>>>>> My guess is that the page you went to includes items that are | > | >>>>>>>>> viewed | > | >>>>>>>>> using a | > | >>>>>>>>> QT plugin. What you describe (QT and QT32) sound like plugins | > and | > | >>>>>>>>> they | > | >>>>>>>>> are | > | >>>>>>>>> just different versions of the same thing (16-bit and 32-bit), | > | >>>>>>>>> installed | > | >>>>>>>>> by | > | >>>>>>>>> the same installer. Where are these things listed in Internet | > | >>>>>>>>> Options? On | > | >>>>>>>>> what tab, under what button? (Sorry, I can't check against my | > | >>>>>>>>> system | > | >>>>>>>>> as I | > | >>>>>>>>> am | > | >>>>>>>>> in the process of rebuilding it.) Anyway, if it bugs you, just | > | >>>>>>>>> uninstall | > | >>>>>>>>> QT | > | >>>>>>>>> in Add/Remove Programs and see what happens. You can always go | > | >>>>>>>>> back | > | >>>>>>>>> and | > | >>>>>>>>> reinstall it if you discover you need it. | > | >>>>>>>>> | > | >>>>>>>>> But your biggest problem is that you can't stand having to | > train | > | >>>>>>>>> that | > | >>>>>>>>> firewall. If you aren't willing to go through that process, | > | >>>>>>>>> uninstall it | > | >>>>>>>>> and | > | >>>>>>>>> either use something else or nothing at all. You already have | > | >>>>>>>>> pretty | > | >>>>>>>>> decent | > | >>>>>>>>> protection against intrusion. Believe me, that firewall isn't | > | >>>>>>>>> done | > | >>>>>>>>> bugging | > | >>>>>>>>> you, not by a LONG shot. | > | >>>>>>>>> | > | >>>>>>>>> -- | > | >>>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune | > | >>>>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User | > | >>>>>>>>> http://www.grystmill.com | > | >>>>>>>>> | > | >>>>>>>>> | > | >>>>>>>>> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message | > | >>>>>>>>> news:483de66d$0$11610$607ed4bc@cv.net... | > | >>>>>>>>>> I have Quick Time and Quick Time32 in my Internet Options. I | > | >>>>>>>>>> have | > | >>>>>>>>>> Quick | > | >>>>>>>>>> Time in | > | >>>>>>>>>> Add/Remove programs. I went to Chase to transfer some money | > to | > | >>>>>>>>>> my | > | >>>>>>>>>> son | > | >>>>>>>>>> and | > | >>>>>>>>>> another | > | >>>>>>>>>> popup occurred saying: "Quick Time has install the following | > | >>>>>>>>>> (long | > | >>>>>>>>>> list) | > | >>>>>>>>>> of | > | >>>>>>>>>> components to your system, do you want them to access the | > | >>>>>>>>>> internet." | > | >>>>>>>>>> Why | > | >>>>>>>>>> would I want | > | >>>>>>>>>> them to access the internet and change my Internet Explorer | > | >>>>>>>>>> while | > | >>>>>>>>>> I am | > | >>>>>>>>>> trying to do | > | >>>>>>>>>> banking??? When I said 'no' , I was unable to continue. I | > would | > | >>>>>>>>>> like to | > | >>>>>>>>>> uninstall | > | >>>>>>>>>> both of them. (I only have uninstall for QT) and I don't know | > | >>>>>>>>>> what | > | >>>>>>>>>> QT32 | > | >>>>>>>>>> is!!! A | > | >>>>>>>>>> little hint please. I am going to try again to get into my | > | >>>>>>>>>> bank. | > | >>>>>>>>>> Ginny | > | >>>>>>>>>> | > | >>>>>>>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | > | >>>>>>>>>> news:utbNAQRwIHA.4772@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... | > | >>>>>>>>>>> Don't be. It's not your fault MEB got up on the wrong side | > of | > | >>>>>>>>>>> the | > | >>>>>>>>>>> bed | > | >>>>>>>>>>> this | > | >>>>>>>>>>> morning and/or is otherwise distracted, or so it seems. | > Though | > | >>>>>>>>>>> I | > | >>>>>>>>>>> must | > | >>>>>>>>>>> say | > | >>>>>>>>>>> it's interesting to see his true colors when it comes to his | > | >>>>>>>>>>> feelings | > | >>>>>>>>>>> about | > | >>>>>>>>>>> XP. | > | >>>>>>>>>>> | > | >>>>>>>>>>> -- | > | >>>>>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune | > | >>>>>>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User | > | >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.grystmill.com | > | >>>>>>>>>>> | > | >>>>>>>>>>> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message | > | >>>>>>>>>>> news:483dd8cc$1$11631$607ed4bc@cv.net... | > | >>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry I asked!!! Ginny | > | > | > | > | > | | > | > |
Guest MEB Posted May 30, 2008 Posted May 30, 2008 Re: What is Quick Time Re: What is Quick Time "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message news:ehpJ3fhwIHA.4376@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... | There must be SOME kind of survey that reports decent stats on the usage, | particularly in the industrial and large commercial settings. In my case, I | freely admit that "my" public consists of home and SOHO users, and I'll bet | the web stats aren't at all far off in those categories. Certainly not by | any large order of magnitude. Besides, I don't know what you mean by | "Windows information web sites." Are you trying to say that | http://www.w3counter.com/globalstats.php is somehow rigged? And how many | sites REQUIRE IE such that you can't even get there to be counted using | Linux? Ah, that site is completely blocked in my HOSTS file, guess why. Your base consists of those computers you know how to fix, that's not a cut, just a statement. AND you direct those parties move to what YOU recommend. And no, the stats may not be wrong, but what do they reflect [can't tell you as I have no intention of disabling the block].. The intent of the computer age was to INCREASE the intelligence of the world and to allow the people of the world to communicate with each other.. IN STARK constrast, we find what actually occurred was that people just bitched and complained until they find an OS which they need no NOTHING about to use, so they can pirate software and music, send emails, view nifty Flash objects, steal DVD movies, watch TV programs on their computer, and ..... meanwhile, the intelligence level seems to have *fallen off the edge of the world*... | | As I said, maybe when I get the time. But I don't see much in the way of | application support out there, much less hardware support. And you keep | ignoring my main point: All your whining about dumb devices and Microsoft's | stealing (let's not be coy, we both know they do it), and everything else is | meaningless to me. A world built upon innumerable Linux distros and millions | of independent programmers, and tons of tiny partnerships between | programmers and hardware developers... I don't want any part of it. I *want* | mass marketed and standardized products, even if they're dumb and crappy. As | does most of the world. That's where the tilting at windmills part comes in, | and I don't mean just you, I mean the whole utopian Linux crowd. They are | invaluable to society, but they will never come near ruling it except in | some self-satisfied sense of accomplishment. What application don't you find? What is it that you need to do that isn't found in a Linux version or specific program? SO you WANT to be forced every few years to buy a new computer and devices, you WANT to be forced to upgrade when support is pulled, you WANT to have no control on what your OS does, you WANT to ... well, the comment would usually be "lead by the nose". | | Now, I grant you that Linux lends itself to specialization, which could be | wonderful in large networks in large companies, and Linux is perhaps making | inroads there. But I'm betting it's just as slow going as in the | personal/SOHO market. Then again, you say we have no stats for those. Gary, what all Windows user forget, is that Windows displaced Unix, Linux, Xnix, IBM DOS, and variants from the home and business world. Granted, home usage during that time period was infantismal. The FIRST Windows was used because it looked GRAPHICAL. Everything used within it for NET use came from third parties. Microsoft limped into the picture with a rediculous browser... and that's about it. Here's somethiing, how many servers RUNNING the Internet use a Linux/Unix or variant? What is the number one server being used to put hacks into systems? | | Still, I don't see those Web stats changing very quickly, nor the pace of | that change changing very quickly. And while you might quibble with them a | bit, you can't go changing them by orders of magnitude just on a hunch or | based upon magazines, blogs, etc. The potential of Linux is and always has | been just that--potential. If you want to convince me that Linux has any | near-term chance to save the world from XP, then let's have the numbers. | | -- | Gary S. Terhune | MS-MVP Shell/User | http://www.grystmill.com I'd suggest getting a better reference,,, like most sensible people, I have that site completely blocked, so that likely leaves JUST the usual uninformed Windows user... | | | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | news:O1wWd%23gwIHA.552@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... | > Wrong. The free Linux versions don't read into the sales numbers as no one | > knows how many are being run... Windows information web sites statistics | > also are not reflective of use, nor are sites which REQUIRE Microsoft's | > browsers, Linux users run these in an envelope to make it APPEAR to be the | > proper browser and OS is used.... | > | > I would suggest you actually spend some time finding out about Linux | > before making comments on what it can or can not do. Microsoft "borrows" a | > good percentage of its ideas FROM the Linux world, and remember, the | > programmers for Linux must generally first pull the chip code and write | > the | > drivers from that information, for the most part, before they can | > implement | > it. Moreover, as Microsoft and the hardware manufacturers now work to | > create | > ever dumber devices [making them OS supported only] it becomes even more | > difficult for the Linux community to apply and support those deliberately | > DUMB devices.. | > | > Do some research... as my daughter says "Live Life Illuminated" or you can | > remain in the dark, that's a personal choice you will make. | > | > -- | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | > -- | > _________ | > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | > news:O3zDBhfwIHA.2068@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... | > | That was harsh, and so I should add... Yes, 98 was great. But you know | > as | > | well as I do that it had fatal flaws. It *had* to be replaced. Then we | > got | > | what we got from MS, which I recognize as an attempt to create a master | > OS | > | that would run in all kinds of "interwoven" devices. Nobody else has | > come | > | close to stepping up to the plate, yet. Numbers don't lie, Linux distros | > are | > | flat, and it's not like they aren't being marketed. Then there's the | > most | > | recent thing to decently boost Mac sales. The ability to run Windows XP | > | decently using a VM! | > | | > | -- | > | Gary S. Terhune | > | MS-MVP Shell/User | > | http://www.grystmill.com | > | | > | | > | "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | > | news:%23dJr$aewIHA.4492@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... | > | > | > | > "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | > | > news:%23bI12MdwIHA.3760@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... | > | >> Gary, you're wrong or uninformed. | > | > | > | > Hey, I'm just looking at the numbers. | > | > | > | >> Check out the comparisons to the newest Linux clones verses XP [or | > even | > | >> VISTA]. You can't ignore where the world is moving. Microsoft doesn't | > and | > | >> is | > | >> concerned. Between Apple and these clones, Microsoft has to rely upon | > | >> uniformed people to use its OSs, and coerce manufactures to follow | > its | > | >> designs, and force the use of its OSs. | > | > | > | > Again, the story is in the numbers -- FACTS. And again, capitalism is | > a | > | > FACT. The vast uninformed society is a FACT. Apple's upper-level | > quality | > | > (and price) are FACTS. Microsoft's predatory practices are FACTS. I | > don't | > | > dispute that "the world is moving", but it's moving at a snail's pace | > | > toward something nobody can yet foresee. | > | > | > | >> XP may suit your purposes, obviously it does, but that means little. | > | > | > | > Means a heck of a lot to me and everyone who uses it! | > | > | > | >> Wouldn't you rather run an OS which can be changed today, rather than | > | >> waiting a month or never, to have something fixed. | > | > | > | > No. I would not want my machine used as a test box every day. | > | > | > | >>Wouldn't you rather have | > | >> manufacturers working WITH users, rather than with Microsoft. | > | > | > | > Work with users in what way? I'd rather the hardware and the OS code | > got | > | > along, thank you, and I don't think it should be the OS getting | > changed | > | > every day in order to keep up with every whim of every hardware | > developer | > | > out there, much less the hardware manufacturers' "users". Again, you | > are | > | > describing chaos. | > | > | > | >>Wouldn't you | > | >> rather have thousands of code knowledgeable people helping to protect | > you | > | >> [with the opposite of course, but that's in Windows also so the | > | >> comparison | > | >> is negated]. | > | > | > | > Where do you get these "thousands of code-knowledgeable people"? And | > how | > | > am I supposed to choose who to listen to? No, now that I think abou | > tit, | > | > the LAST thing I want is a bunch of "code-knowledgeable people" | > helping | > | > me. I want other USERS helping me. I want the code people to busy | > | > themselves keeping the code in good order and I want them to ALL BE ON | > THE | > | > SAME TEAM! | > | > | > | >> Don't you wonder why Windows is supposedly mostly a secret coding, | > yet | > | >> just | > | >> about everyone can hack it [from 7 or 8 year olds up]? Why would you | > | >> support | > | >> a system in which the key features cause numerous issues of their | > own? | > | > | > | > No, I never wondered that. I knew the answer without having to | > actually | > | > ask the question. It's akin to a law of nature. But you imply that the | > | > other OSes are hack proof, or inherently less insecure, that they are | > | > without faults in logic, without vulnerabilities just as nasty as the | > ones | > | > you bemoan in WIndows, and that's a crock. | > | > | > | > And you still don't get it -- I have no big attachment to XP other | > than | > | > it's what gets the job done for me and none of the others could come | > | > close. My only other observation is that XP/Vista appear to be | > maintaining | > | > their share, or losing it at a snails pace at worst, and that this is | > due | > | > to basic capitalism. Microsoft, or anyone who seeks to replace them, | > need | > | > a brand new bag altogether, but I prefer the current state of affairs | > to | > | > the chaos you describe. | > | > | > | >> Ask yourself why you WOULD ignore these things, why you fight so | > | >> desperately to further an OS which you admit is not what it purports | > to | > | >> be.... Your ideas and arguments fall flat, by your own writings... | > | > | > | > How is it that you keep seeing me as "fighting" for XP/Vista/whatever? | > I | > | > have no dog in this fight. I just want the winner when the dust | > settles. | > | > For the last several years, that's been Windows XP and now this | > mongrel | > | > Vista. | > | > | > | >> Gary, the reason I'M here, is I have a small part in this monster | > called | > | >> Microsoft. I participated in the very earliest stages, provided the | > error | > | >> reports and suggestions, downloaded by long distance and at MY cost | > the | > | >> files by 2400 then 14.4 then 33.6 modem, defended [verbally] the | > parties | > | >> who | > | >> brought windows to the business world and were FIRED AND SUED for | > doing | > | >> so, | > | >> did the beta testing until Microsoft started CHARGING [how dense am | > I, | > ah | > | >> yeah, I supply the computer system which Microsoft trashes and which | > I | > | >> PAY | > | >> to have trashed] and a number of other things which I now regret.... | > no | > | >> matter how trivial or insignificant my part or input was, this 9X | > | >> environment is something I participated in and THOUGHT the world | > needed | > | >> [it | > | >> was, it brought computing to the masses as you indicate]. The NT | > | >> environment, which I also worked with though NEVER recommended, has, | > per | > | >> my | > | >> own testing, never been a good replacement for Unix or other servers. | > | >> That | > | >> it was forced into the home environment under false pretences is | > | >> something I | > | >> can not support. My position on XP was stated YEARS ago in this | > group, | > I | > | >> will never recommend it unless something changes, which SP3 did not | > | >> completely do. | > | > | > | > As PA Bear implied, you tend toward the Quixotic. I don't care about | > your | > | > theories and academic opinions, your howling in the night. Your | > worldview | > | > is at odds with reality. | > | > | > | > -- | > | > Gary S. Terhune | > | > MS-MVP Shell/User | > | > http://www.grystmill.com | > | > -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com -- _________
Guest MEB Posted May 30, 2008 Posted May 30, 2008 Re: What is Quick Time Re: What is Quick Time OOOHHH, I missed this one, you put the sig at the top... "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message news:OcWlexTwIHA.548@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... | | | | -- | Gary S. Terhune | MS-MVP Shell/User | http://www.grystmill.com | | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | news:uorQnxSwIHA.548@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... | > Ah ,YOU brought capitalism as an issue, I see NO WHERE in my posts that | > indicates that. | | Capitalism = Real World. A place where you, apparently, don't wish to | reside. CAPITALISM = with its waste, consumerism, profit margins and market calls, investments in junk businesses and manufacturers, lack of concern for people, lack of concern for environment, fosters its ME/MINE attitude, resource Wars, depletion of the ozone, destruction of the ice caps, elimination of wildlife and sea creatures, world wealth in the hands of the select few, limited and DIRECTED education of children, and all this other lovely stuff going on,,, the thing that will destroy this planet,, oh wait, that's pretty much been accomplished. It IS useful for America, it has kept this bankrupt nation alive [declared essential bankrupcy seven times since the depression], of course the money is useless and only backed by foreign nations but who cares about whether that CREDIT is ever paid back, not Capitalists...... worry about future generations, why, there's no profit in it, and WHO CARES we certainly aren't going to be there, that's their problem.... So yeah, let's drill ALL the oil out NOW and use it,,, let's spend the next thirty years trying to figure out what to do, after all, its only been a few thousand years already, let's let the people pay for coal technological usage improvements FOR the producers, let's strip the sea of life and fill it in with human waste and garbage, let's finish this with a bang,, yep that's it,,, let's just get rid of all those things in our way.... We don't need animals, fish , vegetables, or any of that junk, we can eat ourselves, like in "Soylent Green".... use War to decrease the population like "1984", oh YEAH let's bask in our glory.... hey sounds like the plan, whatyatink... | | > WHY would I post that in this group??? | > I spent more than a month in this group attempting to discuss and explain | > the XP hard drive issues with 9X,,, had many of the posters put material | > into the discussion which they had no idea of, *discredit [or rather | > attempt | > to do so] ACTAUL functions IN XP*, and the final outcome came to "NOT" | > checking Smart statistics because the drive APPEARED to be clean... who | > cares if its not realistic, who cares if anything had been re-allocated, | > who | > cares.... | | Why would you discuss XP issues in THIS group in any detail? And since when It was a discussion concerning 98 usage after and on drives with XP. Seems that made it pretty appropriate for a 98 group. It did get a number of XP users to pop in, and increased re-population [other mirrors], and viewers/participants here. The added benefit, it exposed some of XP. AND changed a few attitudes concerning what to do with these types of disks, how to wipe drives, what programs are worthless to use, and several other useful items...... | DON'T long threads of that nature get filled with stupid contributions? And | who DOES care, anyway? | | > Now if you can explain to me why I would do this again, post it... | > | > As for daily use: that's funny, not only daily use, but FAR more.... | > There is no bias on my part, but there certainly is on yours, I HAVE run | > other non-Microsoft OSs.... and did the same thing in those OSs, testing, | > defining, clarifying,,, and using. Guess what, I intend to do it again... | | Have fun. | | > Are we done yet? | | Don't know, yet. | | -- | Gary S. Terhune | MS-MVP Shell/User | http://www.grystmill.com Apparently we aren't.... | | | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | > news:uMZL4JQwIHA.420@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... | > | I didn't say testing and monitoring wouldn't tell you a lot, but if you | > | haven't actually used it day in and day out, doing all the things that | > | people do with their desktop PCs, you have nothing but nerdy, yes. | > | | > | So what's your results. In particular, discuss the comparative features | > and | > | why you seem to think that all the extra functionality in XP is plain | > | worthless, or could just as easily be done in 9x. Synopsize and hit the | > high | > | points, please. I'm not up to reams of data. | > | | > | I gotta tell you, your bias is showing all over the place, and I ALWAYS | > | remember that statistics can be easily misconstrued and/or made to lie. | > | | > | And if your real gripe is capitalism in general, then let's leave off | > this | > | discussion, OK? | > | | > | -- | > | Gary S. Terhune | > | MS-MVP Shell/User | > | http://www.grystmill.com | > | | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | > | news:evO68%23OwIHA.5096@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... | > | > That's usage monitoring. file monitoring, network monitoring, Internet | > | > monitoring, disk monitoring, service monitoring, device monitoring, | > | > etc.,,, | > | > ah, that's far beyond simple usage. Seems that would give me a bit | > more | > | > knowledge,, but then that would be relative and nerdy wouldn't it.. | > | > | > | > -- | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | > | > -- | > | > _________ | > | > | > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | > | > news:Oyaln3OwIHA.516@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... | > | > | Testing and monitoring... But not really using? ROTFLMAO!!! That | > leaves | > | > you | > | > | well prepared for nothing more than just so much nerdy babble. | > | > | | > | > | -- | > | > | Gary S. Terhune | > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User | > | > | http://www.grystmill.com | > | > | | > | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | > | > | news:%23l7eJaOwIHA.1240@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... | > | > | > QT can be used locally, or one can find codex to handle that | > format | > in | > | > | > some | > | > | > other player which IS being supported. | > | > | > | > | > | > Right, you DO say that constantly, and you also attempt to foster | > the | > | > | > notion that XP has become the world's favorite because its just so | > | > good | > | > | > and | > | > | > secure, BS, the reason for increased usage is that it is difficult | > to | > | > find | > | > | > computer's to support 9X, leaving the only viable Windows choice | > as | > | > XP, | > | > | > and | > | > | > VISTA is still such a PITA. Try not to buy into the garbage spewed | > by | > | > | > media | > | > | > and others... OR if you wish, we CAN discuss the POS XP which I | > DID | > | > spend | > | > | > considerable time testing and monitoring... how good its,,, look | > HERE: | > | > | > | > | > | > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/946480/en-us | > | > | > | > | > | > Think everything is fixed,,, guess again... | > | > | > | > | > | > -- | > | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | > | > | > -- | > | > | > _________ | > | > | > | > | > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | > | > | > news:uKoNOPOwIHA.3760@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... | > | > | > | I already told you, that machine has had EVERYTHING installed on | > it | > | > at | > | > | > one | > | > | > | time or another, and been through several ISPs and their | > | > | > branding/helpful | > | > | > | software, etc. | > | > | > | | > | > | > | But what should she do if she needs QT to play something? After | > all, | > | > | > | > | > what | > | > | > | you say about QT on Windows 98 could be said about Win98 itself. | > In | > | > | > fact, | > | > | > I | > | > | > | say it fairly regularly in places where people might actually | > | > listen. | > | > | > | | > | > | > | -- | > | > | > | Gary S. Terhune | > | > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User | > | > | > | http://www.grystmill.com | > | > | > | | > | > | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | > | > | > | news:uzyZhGOwIHA.1504@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... | > | > | > | > Apple's QuickTime for 98 has not been supported for some time. | > It | > | > is | > | > a | > | > | > | > security risk, and is severely outdated. | > | > | > | > Unless you have some special need to use it online, do not | > allow | > | > it | > | > | > access | > | > | > | > to the Internet. | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > Are you using AOL or some other ISP which installed this for | > you? | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > -- | > | > | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | > | > | > | > -- | > | > | > | > _________ | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > "Tim Slattery" <Slattery_T@bls.gov> wrote in message | > | > | > | > news:fa1r3490ic78jqm9d8p4mkkvf84r0rcg82@4ax.com... | > | > | > | > | "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote: | > | > | > | > | | > | > | > | > | >Could someone please tell me what Quick Time is? Sygate | > says | > it | > | > was | > | > | > | > critical that I | > | > | > | > | >had approved a whole bunch of new dlls for Quick Time, and | > I | > | > don't | > | > | > even | > | > | > | > remember what | > | > | > | > | >it is. Ginny | > | > | > | > | | > | > | > | > | QuickTime is Apple's video player. It plays *.mov and *.mp4 | > | > files, | > | > | > | > | which Windows Media Player will not. Installing it will also | > get | > | > you | > | > | > | > | endless nags from Apple to upgrade it and iTunes (whether | > you | > | > have | > | > | > | > | iTunes or not). | > | > | > | > | | > | > | > | > | -- | > | > | > | > | Tim Slattery | > | > | > | > | MS MVP(Shell/User) | > | > | > | > | Slattery_T@bls.gov | > | > | > | > | http://members.cox.net/slatteryt | > | > | > | > -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com -- _________
Guest CdLSRN Posted May 30, 2008 Posted May 30, 2008 Re Maurice-: What is Quick Time Re Maurice-: What is Quick Time Maurice, I don't need Quick Time for the bank. When I uninstalled it, I was able to do my banking just fine. I wouldn't want anything "unsafe" running with my bank sessions. I'm guessing from the conversation that there is no replacement for Quick Time to run .MOV. I am able to run .mpg videos on 'Windows Media Player'. But when I click my .mov it says it needs "PLAY32.EXE". Is that all I need? Maybe I don't need Quick Time. But if I do, are you familiar with how to set up Avast to LIMIT, via the firewall, EXACTLY where QT can be used, by SITE? Ginny "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:OQwUxXiwIHA.516@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > No Gary, I thought you were helping setup her computer just some FYI > reminders. > You LIMIT, via the firewall, EXACTLY where QT can be used, by SITE. Same as > for any troublesome application.... she needs it for the bank, then that's > what it is allowed to connect with, she needs it only for local materials, > then it gets no outside access... > As for JAVA, this box still uses Microsoft's version... guess what, that > LIMITS what hacks can be used... > > 98 CAN be made secure enough to use for "most" of the Internet with a little > thought applied. > > As for the UTUBE generation,, well, I deal with them almost daily, they > aren't very impressive nor do they care much ... then again I suppose such > was said about us, but the leverage is: dis ain't loud music er da tv, dis > be da world and it eats da dumb fer breakfast... > > -- > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > -- > _________ > > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > news:eylFErhwIHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > | Why must you harp on the obvious? I, personally, would recommend not > running > | QT at all, and I don't, not even on my XP systems. But lots of people use > | certain types of files that only QT will handle, or in the case at hand, > | it's inexorably combined with her camera software (a very old camera with > no > | twain driver, IIRC, though I'll learn more as time passes.) And she has > | irreplaceable MOV files that are dear to her heart... > | > | So, what would YOU recommend? Leave in the old QT the way it is, or update > | it and hope that uninstalling the old version is a major part of that > | update. > | > | And, please tell us, what is the alternative to Sun Java these days? > | > | Ginny is shopping for a new machine, XP probably, but she may be forced to > | Vista, and she can't afford a Mac and she'll not want the total new > learning > | experience that Linux would entail... So what do you recommend? > | > | Again, you are complaining about security in legacy applications when > | they're being run on a totally insecure and obsolete system in the first > | place. > | > | Oh, and FYI, I downloaded QT v. 6.5.2, since that is the last one the > works > | on 9x. > | > | Really, Maurice. What would you have us do? Pull the power cords? Live in > | perpetual fear of the inevitable bugs and vulnerabilities in software that > | is racing to keep up with the demands of the YouTube generation? > | > | -- > | Gary S. Terhune > | MS-MVP Shell/User > | http://www.grystmill.com > | > | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message > | news:%232u%23DzgwIHA.1436@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > | > SEE APPLE QuickTime US CERT warnings/alert I posted in this group on > | > 04/04/2008 [see suggestion and, responses provided alternatives or > | > recommendations], also see older QT warnings this group and elsewhere.. > | > > | > REFERENCE > | > National Cyber Alert System > | > Technical Cyber Security Alert TA08-094A > | > Apple Updates for Multiple Vulnerabilities > | > Original release date: April 3, 2008 > | > > | > SEE ALSO: > | > "One of the fastest growing threats - the web site you visit" - MEB > | > 05/01/2008 - this group, ignore the more ignorant responses [consider > with > | > the Flash vulnerabilities FINALLY addressed, though its still > vulnerable]. > | > AND: > | > SUN JAVA Technical Cyber Security Alert TA08-066A - posted here > 03-07-2008 > | > if you intend to use SUN. > | > , > | > > | > -- > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > | > -- > | > _________ > | > > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > | > news:uib%23sCWwIHA.3780@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > | > | Decided to run the latest installer I have to see if it tells you up > | > front > | > | what version... There it was in huge letters. 6.5.1. And it was > released > | > | prior to December '04, not '05. Another of my many brain farts today. > | > What > | > | IS strange is that I have no versions prior to that in the places I'd > | > expect > | > | to find them. I'm a true packrat when it comes to that kind of stuff. > | > Gotta > | > | be earlier versions here, somewhere. Ahh, here we go. Versions 4 & > 5... > | > All > | > | I'm missing is 3 and I just didn't feel like waiting for Search to > | > complete > | > | inspection of my vast ZIPped archives, my backups of backups, etc. > | > | > | > | -- > | > | Gary S. Terhune > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User > | > | http://www.grystmill.com > | > | > | > | "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message > | > | news:u0r7OqVwIHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > | > | >I do know that QT version 5 at least works on Win98SE. I stopped > | > there, > | > | >as I started getting tired of the bloat (as is so often the case) > with > | > the > | > | >newer versions. > | > | > > | > | > Gary S. Terhune wrote: > | > | >> Leave it for now. I'll have you a full answer tomorrow if I can. > What > | > | >> you've > | > | >> probably got is the same ancient, dangerous, version that MEB was > | > | >> complaining about. We need to find the latest version that will > still > | > run > | > | >> on > | > | >> 9x. I'm may have it, but I'm in the middle of rebuilding my 98 box > so > | > I > | > | >> can't test and make sure, know how to instruct you in its > | > installation, > | > | >> etc. > | > | >> > | > | >> (Actually, I coulda sworn I found v.6 on the QT site and that it > | > works > | > | >> with > | > | >> Win98, but I guess I'll have to go through my History to find it. > | > | >> Assuming I > | > | >> don't already have it. Latest version I could find quickly was one > I > | > | >> downloaded in late '05.) > | > | >> > | > | >> -- > | > | >> Gary S. Terhune > | > | >> MS-MVP Shell/User > | > | >> http://www.grystmill.com > | > | >> > | > | >> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message > | > | >> news:483e4acf$0$25060$607ed4bc@cv.net... > | > | >>> I googled one of the missing Quick Time files QT32INST.EXE > | > downloaded > | > it > | > | >>> and ran it > | > | >>> and it repaired Quick Time. It even installed the QTW32DEL.EXE > that > | > was > | > | >>> missing. Now > | > | >>> I have both of the Quick Time logos QT & QT32 in my add/remove > | > programs > | > | >>> and in > | > | >>> Control Panel. I don't believe the QT one works but my movies are > | > | >>> playing > | > | >>> well, > | > | >>> automatically with the Quick Time 32. So I am leaving it alone as > I > | > am > | > | >>> sure there are > | > | >>> shared files. Unless anyone has any ideas as to how to get rid of > it > | > | >>> without hurting > | > | >>> Quick Time 32. > | > | >>> > | > | >>> > | > | >>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > | > | >>> news:uPfCyEUwIHA.548@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > | > | >>>> I need YOU to be more patient. And to stop posting wherever you > | > feel > | > | >>>> like > | > | >>>> it. I know this is a long and multi-threaded issue, but it's your > | > | >>>> responsibility to find the proper thread and post to respond to. > If > | > you > | > | >>>> think it's missing, then at least go back to the top of this > thread > | > | >>>> ("IE > | > | >>>> works so far", not "What is Quick Time") to post your "I'm lost" > | > post. > | > | >>>> While > | > | >>>> this was intended to be a wrap-up thread for the original issue, > | > you're > | > | >>>> now > | > | >>>> tacking new issues onto it, like this whole Sygate/QT thread. No > | > need > | > | >>>> to > | > | >>>> further muck up the works by adding more to this sub-thread. > | > | >>>> > | > | >>>> So be patient, I have had to answer lots of posts today and some > in > | > | >>>> depth, > | > | >>>> and I've done a lot of research on your part and on the part of > | > others. > | > | >>>> I > | > | >>>> also had to rebuild my 98 machine, eat, etc., etc. And because > you > | > | >>>> posted > | > | >>>> these MSXML questions here instead of where they belong, *I* have > | > to > | > go > | > | >>>> searching for wherever in this mess the posts regarding MSXML > | > update, > | > | >>>> etc., > | > | >>>> is located. I'll post/repost there and answer your question(s) > | > there. > | > | >>>> > | > | >>>> -- > | > | >>>> Gary S. Terhune > | > | >>>> MS-MVP Shell/User > | > | >>>> http://www.grystmill.com > | > | >>>> > | > | >>>> > | > | >>>> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message > | > | >>>> news:483e2660$0$25036$607ed4bc@cv.net... > | > | >>>>> I need you to read my most recent postings. > | > | >>>>> !. I am confused about the MSXML4sp2 updated and what to delete. > I > | > | >>>>> need > | > | >>>>> it > | > | >>>>> explained more clearly, please. > | > | >>>>> 2. Quick Time doesn't have an uninstaller. When I hit add/remove > | > | >>>>> programs > | > | >>>>> it > | > | >>>>> said it was uninstalling my Camedia (the program I attach my > | > digital > | > | >>>>> camera > | > | >>>>> to the computer...that was o.k. > | > | >>>>> But, there is nothing that says uninstall quick Time, It only > | > gives > | > | >>>>> the > | > | >>>>> option to remove extensions. (in add/remove programs) and it > says > | > that > | > | >>>>> I > | > | >>>>> shouldn't do that. > | > | >>>>> In Internet Options when I click it. It tells me that I should > | > | >>>>> uninstall > | > | >>>>> and > | > | >>>>> install again as I am missing 2 exe files. > | > | >>>>> If I put the CD in the drive....will that give me an option to > | > | >>>>> uninstall? > | > | >>>>> > | > | >>>>> > | > | >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > | > | >>>>> From: "Gary S. Terhune" <none> > | > | >>>>> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion > | > | >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 11:21 PM > | > | >>>>> Subject: Re: IE Running well so far > | > | >>>>> > | > | >>>>> > | > | >>>>>> Then you DO have that very old version MEB was talking about. > You > | > | >>>>>> should > | > | >>>>>> uninstall it, then hope your banking site doesn't require it. > | > Might > | > | >>>>>> just > | > | >>>>>> look different but still work. (I thought I had a link to the > | > last > | > | >>>>>> version > | > | >>>>>> that worked with Win98, but I'll have to look deeper.) > | > | >>>>>> > | > | >>>>>> -- > | > | >>>>>> Gary S. Terhune > | > | >>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User > | > | >>>>>> http://www.grystmill.com > | > | >>>>>> > | > | >>>>>> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message > | > | >>>>>> news:483e04fb$0$15193$607ed4bc@cv.net... > | > | >>>>>>> Sorry, Gary I got side tracked trying to get online again. I > | > will > | > | >>>>>>> uninstall that > | > | >>>>>>> update(4.0sdk). > | > | >>>>>>> The 2 Q Times are in Internet Options- Control Panel. Q time > | > says > | > if > | > | >>>>>>> I > | > | >>>>>>> uninstall it I > | > | >>>>>>> will uninstall the program it came with. I haven't the > slightest > | > | >>>>>>> idea > | > | >>>>> what > | > | >>>>>>> it came > | > | >>>>>>> with . It is not in any of my Programs under Start. Further > | > | >>>>>>> investigation > | > | >>>>>>> shows that > | > | >>>>>>> the version is 2.1.2.59 (Quick Time for Windows) It says it is > | > for > | > | >>>>>>> Window 95 and is missing QT32INST.EXE AND > QTW32EEL.EXE....which > | > is > | > | >>>>>>> why > | > | >>>>>>> I > | > | >>>>>>> can't open > | > | >>>>>>> it. It says I should uninstall and reinstall but I don't know > | > what > | > | >>>>>>> CD > | > | >>>>> it > | > | >>>>>>> would be on > | > | >>>>>>> to re-install. > | > | >>>>>>> > | > | >>>>>>> I will uninstall the 4.0sp1 now, after I make sure I can get > | > online. > | > | >>>>>>> Gin > | > | >>>>>>> > | > | >>>>>>> > | > | >>>>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > | > | >>>>>>> news:u44BNBOwIHA.4916@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > | > | >>>>>>>> You still have MSXML 4.0 SP1. Here's some updates you might > | > want > | > to > | > | >>>>>>>> consider: > | > | >>>>>>>> First, uninstall that Update we installed that includes the > | > SDK. > | > If > | > | >>>>>>>> you're > | > | >>>>>>>> not sure which one, write down any entry that includes MSXML > | > and > | > | >>>>>>>> post > | > | >>>>> it > | > | >>>>>>>> here. After uninstalling that, then get: > | > | >>>>>>>> > | > | >>>>>>>> MSXML 4.0 Service Pack 2 http://tinyurl.com/59qer > | > | >>>>>>>> > | > | >>>>>>>> then this patch: > | > | >>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/y6a2sl > | > | >>>>>>>> > | > | >>>>>>>> -- > | > | >>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune > | > | >>>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User > | > | >>>>>>>> http://www.grystmill.com > | > | >>>>>>>> > | > | >>>>>>>> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message > | > | >>>>>>>> news:483cf7f0$0$15192$607ed4bc@cv.net... > | > | >>>>>>>>> All three are version 4.10.9404.0 and they were all created > | > | >>>>>>>>> 2/4/02. > | > | >>>>>>>>> msxml4.dll is 80.5 KB, msxml4r.dll is 1.17 MB, msxml4a.dll > is > | > | >>>>>>>>> 43.5 > | > | >>>>> KB. > | > | >>>>>>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > | > | >>>>> > | > | >>>>> > | > | >>>>> > | > | >>>>> > | > | >>>>> > | > | >>>>> > | > | >>>>> > | > | >>>>> > | > | >>>>> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message > | > | >>>>> news:483e234b$0$25024$607ed4bc@cv.net... > | > | >>>>>> One of my posts has 'gone missing' and I'm sitting here unclear > | > about > | > | >>>>>> how > | > | >>>>>> to do > | > | >>>>> this > | > | >>>>>> service patch . I downloaded msxml4-KB927978-enu.exe (file > | > version > | > | >>>>>> 1)....., (I > | > | >>>>> typed > | > | >>>>>> in tinyurl.com/y6a2sl and it redirected me to this MSXML 4.0 > | > Service > | > | >>>>>> Pack2 > | > | >>>>>> (Microsoft XML Core Services) - I think that is what I > | > downloaded. > | > Is > | > | >>>>>> that the > | > | >>>>> first > | > | >>>>>> one or the second one?? > | > | >>>>>> Also....What am I supposed to post here and uninstall from my > | > | >>>>>> system??? > | > | >>>>>> I am > | > | >>>>>> confused. Thanks. Gin > | > | >>>>>> > | > | >>>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > | > | >>>>>> news:eVflMSTwIHA.4952@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > | > | >>>>>>> Sygate uses a database that started out blank. *Everything* > you > | > do > | > | >>>>>>> for > | > | >>>>>>> a > | > | >>>>>>> while will be a "change" to Sygate. If it's a program you > | > recognize, > | > | >>>>>>> then, > | > | >>>>>>> short of doing a lot more research, you have no choice but to > | > trust > | > | >>>>>>> that > | > | >>>>>>> it's not a malware DLL in disguise, and approve the update to > | > | >>>>>>> Sygate's > | > | >>>>>>> database. Once you've finished training it, then when it says > | > | >>>>>>> "change" > | > | >>>>>>> it > | > | >>>>>>> will almost always actually mean "change". Then you are > expected > | > to > | > | >>>>>>> be > | > | >>>>>>> able > | > | >>>>>>> to remember recent changes to your system and update Sygate > | > | >>>>>>> appropriately. > | > | >>>>>>> > | > | >>>>>>> If it's a question you have about the program that is being > | > cited, > | > | >>>>>>> like > | > | >>>>>>> you > | > | >>>>>>> did with QT, then you do as you did: ask about it, do some > | > research. > | > | >>>>>>> But try > | > | >>>>>>> to refrain from acting on our advice, or even stuff you read > | > | >>>>>>> elsewhere > | > | >>>>>>> using > | > | >>>>>>> Google, etc., too quickly, not even mine, in case there's an > | > | >>>>>>> important > | > | >>>>>>> (or > | > | >>>>>>> even minor) correction, contradiction or addendum to that > advice > | > in > | > | >>>>>>> the > | > | >>>>>>> near > | > | >>>>>>> future. > | > | >>>>>>> > | > | >>>>>>> In this case, besides just what QT stands for, you should have > | > | >>>>>>> learned > | > | >>>>>>> enough in this thread to ask yourself, "Just how old IS that > | > | >>>>>>> QuickTime > | > | >>>>>>> of > | > | >>>>>>> mine, anyway?" and "Maybe I should uninstall it and then > install > | > the > | > | >>>>>>> latest > | > | >>>>>>> version if I find I need it later." So, in a way, Sygate is > | > teaching > | > | >>>>>>> you, > | > | >>>>>>> too. > | > | >>>>>>> > | > | >>>>>>> -- > | > | >>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune > | > | >>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User > | > | >>>>>>> http://www.grystmill.com > | > | >>>>>>> > | > | >>>>>>> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message > | > | >>>>>>> news:483df8c8$0$25052$607ed4bc@cv.net... > | > | >>>>>>>> I don't mind training something. I simply don;t know if it is > | > o.k. > | > | >>>>>>>> to > | > | >>>>>>>> allow > | > | >>>>>>>> every > | > | >>>>>>>> program to add new .dlls to my Internet Explorer and Outlook > | > | >>>>>>>> Express. If > | > | >>>>>>>> it is > | > | >>>>>>>> harmless, I will simply say yes. and go about my business. > But > | > it > | > | >>>>>>>> seems to > | > | >>>>>>>> me we > | > | >>>>>>>> spent an awful lot of time getting rid of .dlls that didn't > | > belong > | > | >>>>>>>> and > | > | >>>>>>>> putting in > | > | >>>>>>>> .dlls that had disappeared. My question was simple. Do I > allow > | > my > | > | >>>>>>>> Internet > | > | >>>>>>>> Explorer > | > | >>>>>>>> and Outlook Express to be changed by my programs. > | > | >>>>>>>> It doesn't say that Sygate is changing anything. It is Sygate > | > | >>>>>>>> reporting to > | > | >>>>>>>> me that > | > | >>>>>>>> these programs are changing my IE & OE. I assumed that before > | > | >>>>>>>> Sygate, > | > | >>>>>>>> my > | > | >>>>>>>> programs > | > | >>>>>>>> were doing this but I just didn't know. Am I making any > sense? > | > | >>>>>>>> > | > | >>>>>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > | > | >>>>>>>> news:%239wnV0RwIHA.2360@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > | > | >>>>>>>>> My guess is that the page you went to includes items that > are > | > | >>>>>>>>> viewed > | > | >>>>>>>>> using a > | > | >>>>>>>>> QT plugin. What you describe (QT and QT32) sound like > plugins > | > and > | > | >>>>>>>>> they > | > | >>>>>>>>> are > | > | >>>>>>>>> just different versions of the same thing (16-bit and > 32-bit), > | > | >>>>>>>>> installed > | > | >>>>>>>>> by > | > | >>>>>>>>> the same installer. Where are these things listed in > Internet > | > | >>>>>>>>> Options? On > | > | >>>>>>>>> what tab, under what button? (Sorry, I can't check against > my > | > | >>>>>>>>> system > | > | >>>>>>>>> as I > | > | >>>>>>>>> am > | > | >>>>>>>>> in the process of rebuilding it.) Anyway, if it bugs you, > just > | > | >>>>>>>>> uninstall > | > | >>>>>>>>> QT > | > | >>>>>>>>> in Add/Remove Programs and see what happens. You can always > go > | > | >>>>>>>>> back > | > | >>>>>>>>> and > | > | >>>>>>>>> reinstall it if you discover you need it. > | > | >>>>>>>>> > | > | >>>>>>>>> But your biggest problem is that you can't stand having to > | > train > | > | >>>>>>>>> that > | > | >>>>>>>>> firewall. If you aren't willing to go through that process, > | > | >>>>>>>>> uninstall it > | > | >>>>>>>>> and > | > | >>>>>>>>> either use something else or nothing at all. You already > have > | > | >>>>>>>>> pretty > | > | >>>>>>>>> decent > | > | >>>>>>>>> protection against intrusion. Believe me, that firewall > isn't > | > | >>>>>>>>> done > | > | >>>>>>>>> bugging > | > | >>>>>>>>> you, not by a LONG shot. > | > | >>>>>>>>> > | > | >>>>>>>>> -- > | > | >>>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune > | > | >>>>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User > | > | >>>>>>>>> http://www.grystmill.com > | > | >>>>>>>>> > | > | >>>>>>>>> > | > | >>>>>>>>> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message > | > | >>>>>>>>> news:483de66d$0$11610$607ed4bc@cv.net... > | > | >>>>>>>>>> I have Quick Time and Quick Time32 in my Internet Options. > I > | > | >>>>>>>>>> have > | > | >>>>>>>>>> Quick > | > | >>>>>>>>>> Time in > | > | >>>>>>>>>> Add/Remove programs. I went to Chase to transfer some money > | > to > | > | >>>>>>>>>> my > | > | >>>>>>>>>> son > | > | >>>>>>>>>> and > | > | >>>>>>>>>> another > | > | >>>>>>>>>> popup occurred saying: "Quick Time has install the > following > | > | >>>>>>>>>> (long > | > | >>>>>>>>>> list) > | > | >>>>>>>>>> of > | > | >>>>>>>>>> components to your system, do you want them to access the > | > | >>>>>>>>>> internet." > | > | >>>>>>>>>> Why > | > | >>>>>>>>>> would I want > | > | >>>>>>>>>> them to access the internet and change my Internet Explorer > | > | >>>>>>>>>> while > | > | >>>>>>>>>> I am > | > | >>>>>>>>>> trying to do > | > | >>>>>>>>>> banking??? When I said 'no' , I was unable to continue. I > | > would > | > | >>>>>>>>>> like to > | > | >>>>>>>>>> uninstall > | > | >>>>>>>>>> both of them. (I only have uninstall for QT) and I don't > know > | > | >>>>>>>>>> what > | > | >>>>>>>>>> QT32 > | > | >>>>>>>>>> is!!! A > | > | >>>>>>>>>> little hint please. I am going to try again to get into my > | > | >>>>>>>>>> bank. > | > | >>>>>>>>>> Ginny > | > | >>>>>>>>>> > | > | >>>>>>>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > | > | >>>>>>>>>> news:utbNAQRwIHA.4772@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> Don't be. It's not your fault MEB got up on the wrong side > | > of > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> the > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> bed > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> this > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> morning and/or is otherwise distracted, or so it seems. > | > Though > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> I > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> must > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> say > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> it's interesting to see his true colors when it comes to > his > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> feelings > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> about > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> XP. > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> -- > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.grystmill.com > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> news:483dd8cc$1$11631$607ed4bc@cv.net... > | > | >>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry I asked!!! Ginny > | > | > > | > | > > | > | > | > > | > > | > >
Guest MEB Posted May 30, 2008 Posted May 30, 2008 Re: Re Maurice-: What is Quick Time Re: Re Maurice-: What is Quick Time Oh I'm sorry, I saw where you needed QT locally, and I can see why. It isn't AVAST you use, but your software firewall. That is the key feature of a software firewall, hardware firewalls are unable to *completely* monitor running processes. The version of QT you use isn't really important, AS LONG AS ITS BLOCKED and only used locally, *or* just like for any program, IS important [use the last supported version] IF Internet usage, but only allowed access to the actual sites necessary/which require its use, AND you can't live without them AND they are *clean* sites.. Now, there are some other programs which provide .mov and other QT extension playback, or creation or conversion, via pluggins or other. I can't recommend one as I stopped that usage a long time ago as I found no real need for it. Your best bet, however, is to convert those irreplaceable *.mov to another format for use in something you already have installed, that's usually Windows Media player. That also makes it a little bit easier to configure your firewall, as you don't have to configure *many* applications and their access, and can keep your firewall rules in a small, tightly configured, manner. Security is based upon YOUR ability to control what goes on with the help of security software, and settings, In example: I still use IE6 for testing purposes, but its access to port 443 is NOT configured for general use. That port is now called by some sites to push advertising and other scripts and code. Only sites which I know and use have been allowed access AND I am notified when it IS used or attempted at use either IN or OUT, I still have to manually allow it. The other testing browsers I use {Opera, FireFox, SeaMonkey} have also been limited. FYI: that port is supposedly only for secure/trusted use and has a higher level of system access if allowed. The same is applied for all programs for which this can be done, such as mail programs, news readers, players, etc.. THEY don't control access and use, I DO with a little help. EVERTHING is defined and controlled as best as possible. This isn't done by default in ANY Microsoft OS, even the new ones, because it DOES take more than just knowing how to point and click, and a little bit of typing knowledge; which is only what most general usage Windows users know how to do. That's not cutting them down or arrogance, that's a statement of plain fact -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com -- _________ "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message news:48401faf$0$25031$607ed4bc@cv.net... | Maurice, I don't need Quick Time for the bank. When I uninstalled it, I was able to | do my banking just fine. I wouldn't want anything "unsafe" running with my bank | sessions. | I'm guessing from the conversation that there is no replacement for Quick Time to | run .MOV. I am able to run .mpg videos on 'Windows Media Player'. But when I click | my .mov it says it needs "PLAY32.EXE". Is that all I need? Maybe I don't need Quick | Time. | But if I do, are you familiar with how to set up Avast to LIMIT, via the | firewall, EXACTLY where QT can be used, by SITE? Ginny | | | | | | | | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | news:OQwUxXiwIHA.516@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... | > No Gary, I thought you were helping setup her computer just some FYI | > reminders. | > You LIMIT, via the firewall, EXACTLY where QT can be used, by SITE. Same as | > for any troublesome application.... she needs it for the bank, then that's | > what it is allowed to connect with, she needs it only for local materials, | > then it gets no outside access... | > As for JAVA, this box still uses Microsoft's version... guess what, that | > LIMITS what hacks can be used... | > | > 98 CAN be made secure enough to use for "most" of the Internet with a little | > thought applied. | > | > As for the UTUBE generation,, well, I deal with them almost daily, they | > aren't very impressive nor do they care much ... then again I suppose such | > was said about us, but the leverage is: dis ain't loud music er da tv, dis | > be da world and it eats da dumb fer breakfast... | > | > -- | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | > -- | > _________ | > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | > news:eylFErhwIHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... | > | Why must you harp on the obvious? I, personally, would recommend not | > running | > | QT at all, and I don't, not even on my XP systems. But lots of people use | > | certain types of files that only QT will handle, or in the case at hand, | > | it's inexorably combined with her camera software (a very old camera with | > no | > | twain driver, IIRC, though I'll learn more as time passes.) And she has | > | irreplaceable MOV files that are dear to her heart... | > | | > | So, what would YOU recommend? Leave in the old QT the way it is, or update | > | it and hope that uninstalling the old version is a major part of that | > | update. | > | | > | And, please tell us, what is the alternative to Sun Java these days? | > | | > | Ginny is shopping for a new machine, XP probably, but she may be forced to | > | Vista, and she can't afford a Mac and she'll not want the total new | > learning | > | experience that Linux would entail... So what do you recommend? | > | | > | Again, you are complaining about security in legacy applications when | > | they're being run on a totally insecure and obsolete system in the first | > | place. | > | | > | Oh, and FYI, I downloaded QT v. 6.5.2, since that is the last one the | > works | > | on 9x. | > | | > | Really, Maurice. What would you have us do? Pull the power cords? Live in | > | perpetual fear of the inevitable bugs and vulnerabilities in software that | > | is racing to keep up with the demands of the YouTube generation? | > | | > | -- | > | Gary S. Terhune | > | MS-MVP Shell/User | > | http://www.grystmill.com | > | | > | | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | > | news:%232u%23DzgwIHA.1436@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... | > | > SEE APPLE QuickTime US CERT warnings/alert I posted in this group on | > | > 04/04/2008 [see suggestion and, responses provided alternatives or | > | > recommendations], also see older QT warnings this group and elsewhere.. | > | > | > | > REFERENCE | > | > National Cyber Alert System | > | > Technical Cyber Security Alert TA08-094A | > | > Apple Updates for Multiple Vulnerabilities | > | > Original release date: April 3, 2008 | > | > | > | > SEE ALSO: | > | > "One of the fastest growing threats - the web site you visit" - MEB | > | > 05/01/2008 - this group, ignore the more ignorant responses [consider | > with | > | > the Flash vulnerabilities FINALLY addressed, though its still | > vulnerable]. | > | > AND: | > | > SUN JAVA Technical Cyber Security Alert TA08-066A - posted here | > 03-07-2008 | > | > if you intend to use SUN. | > | > , | > | > | > | > -- | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | > | > -- | > | > _________ | > | > | > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | > | > news:uib%23sCWwIHA.3780@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... | > | > | Decided to run the latest installer I have to see if it tells you up | > | > front | > | > | what version... There it was in huge letters. 6.5.1. And it was | > released | > | > | prior to December '04, not '05. Another of my many brain farts today. | > | > What | > | > | IS strange is that I have no versions prior to that in the places I'd | > | > expect | > | > | to find them. I'm a true packrat when it comes to that kind of stuff. | > | > Gotta | > | > | be earlier versions here, somewhere. Ahh, here we go. Versions 4 & | > 5... | > | > All | > | > | I'm missing is 3 and I just didn't feel like waiting for Search to | > | > complete | > | > | inspection of my vast ZIPped archives, my backups of backups, etc. | > | > | | > | > | -- | > | > | Gary S. Terhune | > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User | > | > | http://www.grystmill.com | > | > | | > | > | "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message | > | > | news:u0r7OqVwIHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... | > | > | >I do know that QT version 5 at least works on Win98SE. I stopped | > | > there, | > | > | >as I started getting tired of the bloat (as is so often the case) | > with | > | > the | > | > | >newer versions. | > | > | > | > | > | > Gary S. Terhune wrote: | > | > | >> Leave it for now. I'll have you a full answer tomorrow if I can. | > What | > | > | >> you've | > | > | >> probably got is the same ancient, dangerous, version that MEB was | > | > | >> complaining about. We need to find the latest version that will | > still | > | > run | > | > | >> on | > | > | >> 9x. I'm may have it, but I'm in the middle of rebuilding my 98 box | > so | > | > I | > | > | >> can't test and make sure, know how to instruct you in its | > | > installation, | > | > | >> etc. | > | > | >> | > | > | >> (Actually, I coulda sworn I found v.6 on the QT site and that it | > | > works | > | > | >> with | > | > | >> Win98, but I guess I'll have to go through my History to find it. | > | > | >> Assuming I | > | > | >> don't already have it. Latest version I could find quickly was one | > I | > | > | >> downloaded in late '05.) | > | > | >> | > | > | >> -- | > | > | >> Gary S. Terhune | > | > | >> MS-MVP Shell/User | > | > | >> http://www.grystmill.com | > | > | >> | > | > | >> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message | > | > | >> news:483e4acf$0$25060$607ed4bc@cv.net... | > | > | >>> I googled one of the missing Quick Time files QT32INST.EXE | > | > downloaded | > | > it | > | > | >>> and ran it | > | > | >>> and it repaired Quick Time. It even installed the QTW32DEL.EXE | > that | > | > was | > | > | >>> missing. Now | > | > | >>> I have both of the Quick Time logos QT & QT32 in my add/remove | > | > programs | > | > | >>> and in | > | > | >>> Control Panel. I don't believe the QT one works but my movies are | > | > | >>> playing | > | > | >>> well, | > | > | >>> automatically with the Quick Time 32. So I am leaving it alone as | > I | > | > am | > | > | >>> sure there are | > | > | >>> shared files. Unless anyone has any ideas as to how to get rid of | > it | > | > | >>> without hurting | > | > | >>> Quick Time 32. | > | > | >>> | > | > | >>> | > | > | >>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | > | > | >>> news:uPfCyEUwIHA.548@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... | > | > | >>>> I need YOU to be more patient. And to stop posting wherever you | > | > feel | > | > | >>>> like | > | > | >>>> it. I know this is a long and multi-threaded issue, but it's your | > | > | >>>> responsibility to find the proper thread and post to respond to. | > If | > | > you | > | > | >>>> think it's missing, then at least go back to the top of this | > thread | > | > | >>>> ("IE | > | > | >>>> works so far", not "What is Quick Time") to post your "I'm lost" | > | > post. | > | > | >>>> While | > | > | >>>> this was intended to be a wrap-up thread for the original issue, | > | > you're | > | > | >>>> now | > | > | >>>> tacking new issues onto it, like this whole Sygate/QT thread. No | > | > need | > | > | >>>> to | > | > | >>>> further muck up the works by adding more to this sub-thread. | > | > | >>>> | > | > | >>>> So be patient, I have had to answer lots of posts today and some | > in | > | > | >>>> depth, | > | > | >>>> and I've done a lot of research on your part and on the part of | > | > others. | > | > | >>>> I | > | > | >>>> also had to rebuild my 98 machine, eat, etc., etc. And because | > you | > | > | >>>> posted | > | > | >>>> these MSXML questions here instead of where they belong, *I* have | > | > to | > | > go | > | > | >>>> searching for wherever in this mess the posts regarding MSXML | > | > update, | > | > | >>>> etc., | > | > | >>>> is located. I'll post/repost there and answer your question(s) | > | > there. | > | > | >>>> | > | > | >>>> -- | > | > | >>>> Gary S. Terhune | > | > | >>>> MS-MVP Shell/User | > | > | >>>> http://www.grystmill.com | > | > | >>>> | > | > | >>>> | > | > | >>>> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message | > | > | >>>> news:483e2660$0$25036$607ed4bc@cv.net... | > | > | >>>>> I need you to read my most recent postings. | > | > | >>>>> !. I am confused about the MSXML4sp2 updated and what to delete. | > I | > | > | >>>>> need | > | > | >>>>> it | > | > | >>>>> explained more clearly, please. | > | > | >>>>> 2. Quick Time doesn't have an uninstaller. When I hit add/remove | > | > | >>>>> programs | > | > | >>>>> it | > | > | >>>>> said it was uninstalling my Camedia (the program I attach my | > | > digital | > | > | >>>>> camera | > | > | >>>>> to the computer...that was o.k. | > | > | >>>>> But, there is nothing that says uninstall quick Time, It only | > | > gives | > | > | >>>>> the | > | > | >>>>> option to remove extensions. (in add/remove programs) and it | > says | > | > that | > | > | >>>>> I | > | > | >>>>> shouldn't do that. | > | > | >>>>> In Internet Options when I click it. It tells me that I should | > | > | >>>>> uninstall | > | > | >>>>> and | > | > | >>>>> install again as I am missing 2 exe files. | > | > | >>>>> If I put the CD in the drive....will that give me an option to | > | > | >>>>> uninstall? | > | > | >>>>> | > | > | >>>>> | > | > | >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- | > | > | >>>>> From: "Gary S. Terhune" <none> | > | > | >>>>> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion | > | > | >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 11:21 PM | > | > | >>>>> Subject: Re: IE Running well so far | > | > | >>>>> | > | > | >>>>> | > | > | >>>>>> Then you DO have that very old version MEB was talking about. | > You | > | > | >>>>>> should | > | > | >>>>>> uninstall it, then hope your banking site doesn't require it. | > | > Might | > | > | >>>>>> just | > | > | >>>>>> look different but still work. (I thought I had a link to the | > | > last | > | > | >>>>>> version | > | > | >>>>>> that worked with Win98, but I'll have to look deeper.) | > | > | >>>>>> | > | > | >>>>>> -- | > | > | >>>>>> Gary S. Terhune | > | > | >>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User | > | > | >>>>>> http://www.grystmill.com | > | > | >>>>>> | > | > | >>>>>> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message | > | > | >>>>>> news:483e04fb$0$15193$607ed4bc@cv.net... | > | > | >>>>>>> Sorry, Gary I got side tracked trying to get online again. I | > | > will | > | > | >>>>>>> uninstall that | > | > | >>>>>>> update(4.0sdk). | > | > | >>>>>>> The 2 Q Times are in Internet Options- Control Panel. Q time | > | > says | > | > if | > | > | >>>>>>> I | > | > | >>>>>>> uninstall it I | > | > | >>>>>>> will uninstall the program it came with. I haven't the | > slightest | > | > | >>>>>>> idea | > | > | >>>>> what | > | > | >>>>>>> it came | > | > | >>>>>>> with . It is not in any of my Programs under Start. Further | > | > | >>>>>>> investigation | > | > | >>>>>>> shows that | > | > | >>>>>>> the version is 2.1.2.59 (Quick Time for Windows) It says it is | > | > for | > | > | >>>>>>> Window 95 and is missing QT32INST.EXE AND | > QTW32EEL.EXE....which | > | > is | > | > | >>>>>>> why | > | > | >>>>>>> I | > | > | >>>>>>> can't open | > | > | >>>>>>> it. It says I should uninstall and reinstall but I don't know | > | > what | > | > | >>>>>>> CD | > | > | >>>>> it | > | > | >>>>>>> would be on | > | > | >>>>>>> to re-install. | > | > | >>>>>>> | > | > | >>>>>>> I will uninstall the 4.0sp1 now, after I make sure I can get | > | > online. | > | > | >>>>>>> Gin | > | > | >>>>>>> | > | > | >>>>>>> | > | > | >>>>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | > | > | >>>>>>> news:u44BNBOwIHA.4916@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... | > | > | >>>>>>>> You still have MSXML 4.0 SP1. Here's some updates you might | > | > want | > | > to | > | > | >>>>>>>> consider: | > | > | >>>>>>>> First, uninstall that Update we installed that includes the | > | > SDK. | > | > If | > | > | >>>>>>>> you're | > | > | >>>>>>>> not sure which one, write down any entry that includes MSXML | > | > and | > | > | >>>>>>>> post | > | > | >>>>> it | > | > | >>>>>>>> here. After uninstalling that, then get: | > | > | >>>>>>>> | > | > | >>>>>>>> MSXML 4.0 Service Pack 2 http://tinyurl.com/59qer | > | > | >>>>>>>> | > | > | >>>>>>>> then this patch: | > | > | >>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/y6a2sl | > | > | >>>>>>>> | > | > | >>>>>>>> -- | > | > | >>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune | > | > | >>>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User | > | > | >>>>>>>> http://www.grystmill.com | > | > | >>>>>>>> | > | > | >>>>>>>> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message | > | > | >>>>>>>> news:483cf7f0$0$15192$607ed4bc@cv.net... | > | > | >>>>>>>>> All three are version 4.10.9404.0 and they were all created | > | > | >>>>>>>>> 2/4/02. | > | > | >>>>>>>>> msxml4.dll is 80.5 KB, msxml4r.dll is 1.17 MB, msxml4a.dll | > is | > | > | >>>>>>>>> 43.5 | > | > | >>>>> KB. | > | > | >>>>>>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | > | > | >>>>> | > | > | >>>>> | > | > | >>>>> | > | > | >>>>> | > | > | >>>>> | > | > | >>>>> | > | > | >>>>> | > | > | >>>>> | > | > | >>>>> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message | > | > | >>>>> news:483e234b$0$25024$607ed4bc@cv.net... | > | > | >>>>>> One of my posts has 'gone missing' and I'm sitting here unclear | > | > about | > | > | >>>>>> how | > | > | >>>>>> to do | > | > | >>>>> this | > | > | >>>>>> service patch . I downloaded msxml4-KB927978-enu.exe (file | > | > version | > | > | >>>>>> 1)....., (I | > | > | >>>>> typed | > | > | >>>>>> in tinyurl.com/y6a2sl and it redirected me to this MSXML 4.0 | > | > Service | > | > | >>>>>> Pack2 | > | > | >>>>>> (Microsoft XML Core Services) - I think that is what I | > | > downloaded. | > | > Is | > | > | >>>>>> that the | > | > | >>>>> first | > | > | >>>>>> one or the second one?? | > | > | >>>>>> Also....What am I supposed to post here and uninstall from my | > | > | >>>>>> system??? | > | > | >>>>>> I am | > | > | >>>>>> confused. Thanks. Gin | > | > | >>>>>> | > | > | >>>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | > | > | >>>>>> news:eVflMSTwIHA.4952@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... | > | > | >>>>>>> Sygate uses a database that started out blank. *Everything* | > you | > | > do | > | > | >>>>>>> for | > | > | >>>>>>> a | > | > | >>>>>>> while will be a "change" to Sygate. If it's a program you | > | > recognize, | > | > | >>>>>>> then, | > | > | >>>>>>> short of doing a lot more research, you have no choice but to | > | > trust | > | > | >>>>>>> that | > | > | >>>>>>> it's not a malware DLL in disguise, and approve the update to | > | > | >>>>>>> Sygate's | > | > | >>>>>>> database. Once you've finished training it, then when it says | > | > | >>>>>>> "change" | > | > | >>>>>>> it | > | > | >>>>>>> will almost always actually mean "change". Then you are | > expected | > | > to | > | > | >>>>>>> be | > | > | >>>>>>> able | > | > | >>>>>>> to remember recent changes to your system and update Sygate | > | > | >>>>>>> appropriately. | > | > | >>>>>>> | > | > | >>>>>>> If it's a question you have about the program that is being | > | > cited, | > | > | >>>>>>> like | > | > | >>>>>>> you | > | > | >>>>>>> did with QT, then you do as you did: ask about it, do some | > | > research. | > | > | >>>>>>> But try | > | > | >>>>>>> to refrain from acting on our advice, or even stuff you read | > | > | >>>>>>> elsewhere | > | > | >>>>>>> using | > | > | >>>>>>> Google, etc., too quickly, not even mine, in case there's an | > | > | >>>>>>> important | > | > | >>>>>>> (or | > | > | >>>>>>> even minor) correction, contradiction or addendum to that | > advice | > | > in | > | > | >>>>>>> the | > | > | >>>>>>> near | > | > | >>>>>>> future. | > | > | >>>>>>> | > | > | >>>>>>> In this case, besides just what QT stands for, you should have | > | > | >>>>>>> learned | > | > | >>>>>>> enough in this thread to ask yourself, "Just how old IS that | > | > | >>>>>>> QuickTime | > | > | >>>>>>> of | > | > | >>>>>>> mine, anyway?" and "Maybe I should uninstall it and then | > install | > | > the | > | > | >>>>>>> latest | > | > | >>>>>>> version if I find I need it later." So, in a way, Sygate is | > | > teaching | > | > | >>>>>>> you, | > | > | >>>>>>> too. | > | > | >>>>>>> | > | > | >>>>>>> -- | > | > | >>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune | > | > | >>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User | > | > | >>>>>>> http://www.grystmill.com | > | > | >>>>>>> | > | > | >>>>>>> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message | > | > | >>>>>>> news:483df8c8$0$25052$607ed4bc@cv.net... | > | > | >>>>>>>> I don't mind training something. I simply don;t know if it is | > | > o.k. | > | > | >>>>>>>> to | > | > | >>>>>>>> allow | > | > | >>>>>>>> every | > | > | >>>>>>>> program to add new .dlls to my Internet Explorer and Outlook | > | > | >>>>>>>> Express. If | > | > | >>>>>>>> it is | > | > | >>>>>>>> harmless, I will simply say yes. and go about my business. | > But | > | > it | > | > | >>>>>>>> seems to | > | > | >>>>>>>> me we | > | > | >>>>>>>> spent an awful lot of time getting rid of .dlls that didn't | > | > belong | > | > | >>>>>>>> and | > | > | >>>>>>>> putting in | > | > | >>>>>>>> .dlls that had disappeared. My question was simple. Do I | > allow | > | > my | > | > | >>>>>>>> Internet | > | > | >>>>>>>> Explorer | > | > | >>>>>>>> and Outlook Express to be changed by my programs. | > | > | >>>>>>>> It doesn't say that Sygate is changing anything. It is Sygate | > | > | >>>>>>>> reporting to | > | > | >>>>>>>> me that | > | > | >>>>>>>> these programs are changing my IE & OE. I assumed that before | > | > | >>>>>>>> Sygate, | > | > | >>>>>>>> my | > | > | >>>>>>>> programs | > | > | >>>>>>>> were doing this but I just didn't know. Am I making any | > sense? | > | > | >>>>>>>> | > | > | >>>>>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | > | > | >>>>>>>> news:%239wnV0RwIHA.2360@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... | > | > | >>>>>>>>> My guess is that the page you went to includes items that | > are | > | > | >>>>>>>>> viewed | > | > | >>>>>>>>> using a | > | > | >>>>>>>>> QT plugin. What you describe (QT and QT32) sound like | > plugins | > | > and | > | > | >>>>>>>>> they | > | > | >>>>>>>>> are | > | > | >>>>>>>>> just different versions of the same thing (16-bit and | > 32-bit), | > | > | >>>>>>>>> installed | > | > | >>>>>>>>> by | > | > | >>>>>>>>> the same installer. Where are these things listed in | > Internet | > | > | >>>>>>>>> Options? On | > | > | >>>>>>>>> what tab, under what button? (Sorry, I can't check against | > my | > | > | >>>>>>>>> system | > | > | >>>>>>>>> as I | > | > | >>>>>>>>> am | > | > | >>>>>>>>> in the process of rebuilding it.) Anyway, if it bugs you, | > just | > | > | >>>>>>>>> uninstall | > | > | >>>>>>>>> QT | > | > | >>>>>>>>> in Add/Remove Programs and see what happens. You can always | > go | > | > | >>>>>>>>> back | > | > | >>>>>>>>> and | > | > | >>>>>>>>> reinstall it if you discover you need it. | > | > | >>>>>>>>> | > | > | >>>>>>>>> But your biggest problem is that you can't stand having to | > | > train | > | > | >>>>>>>>> that | > | > | >>>>>>>>> firewall. If you aren't willing to go through that process, | > | > | >>>>>>>>> uninstall it | > | > | >>>>>>>>> and | > | > | >>>>>>>>> either use something else or nothing at all. You already | > have | > | > | >>>>>>>>> pretty | > | > | >>>>>>>>> decent | > | > | >>>>>>>>> protection against intrusion. Believe me, that firewall | > isn't | > | > | >>>>>>>>> done | > | > | >>>>>>>>> bugging | > | > | >>>>>>>>> you, not by a LONG shot. | > | > | >>>>>>>>> | > | > | >>>>>>>>> -- | > | > | >>>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune | > | > | >>>>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User | > | > | >>>>>>>>> http://www.grystmill.com | > | > | >>>>>>>>> | > | > | >>>>>>>>> | > | > | >>>>>>>>> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message | > | > | >>>>>>>>> news:483de66d$0$11610$607ed4bc@cv.net... | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> I have Quick Time and Quick Time32 in my Internet Options. | > I | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> have | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> Quick | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> Time in | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> Add/Remove programs. I went to Chase to transfer some money | > | > to | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> my | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> son | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> and | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> another | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> popup occurred saying: "Quick Time has install the | > following | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> (long | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> list) | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> of | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> components to your system, do you want them to access the | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> internet." | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> Why | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> would I want | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> them to access the internet and change my Internet Explorer | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> while | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> I am | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> trying to do | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> banking??? When I said 'no' , I was unable to continue. I | > | > would | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> like to | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> uninstall | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> both of them. (I only have uninstall for QT) and I don't | > know | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> what | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> QT32 | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> is!!! A | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> little hint please. I am going to try again to get into my | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> bank. | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> Ginny | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> news:utbNAQRwIHA.4772@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> Don't be. It's not your fault MEB got up on the wrong side | > | > of | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> the | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> bed | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> this | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> morning and/or is otherwise distracted, or so it seems. | > | > Though | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> I | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> must | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> say | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> it's interesting to see his true colors when it comes to | > his | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> feelings | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> about | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> XP. | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> -- | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.grystmill.com | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> news:483dd8cc$1$11631$607ed4bc@cv.net... | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry I asked!!! Ginny | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | | > | > | > | > | > | | > | > | | |
Guest Angel Posted May 30, 2008 Posted May 30, 2008 Re: IE Running well so far Yeah Gary, she sure could use the exercise. Send them anytime. We are beginning to call her "Fat Cat" instead of "Streaker". George says she is a Bowling Ball with legs! She was fat when I got her. Right now, she is sleeping on my old Contour chair. The chair does not adjust very well anymore, most of the time it only has one position. It needs a new one. I bought it long before I retired 16 years ago. I uninstalled the AdAware last night. So far, no problems because I uninstalled it. I still have Avast! and Spybot 1.4. I have not updated the Spybot lately. I just don't know which updates to use. Angel "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message news:%23sy$sobwIHA.5520@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... : I can send you a poodle or two to chase teh cat. Keep it busy. : : -- : Gary S. Terhune : MS-MVP Shell/User : http://www.grystmill.com : : "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message : news:uXJrWPZwIHA.524@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... : > Yes, I already knew that it will take a while for the pain to subside. : > Even : > the pain pills don't work that well. Gary, I am prepared for a long hall, : > but you know I do not give up or in easily. You are not pessimistic only : > truthful. This is no picnic, if you know what I mean. : > : > My cat is on the footstool I am trying to use. She takes up most of the : > footstool. Since I got home, she does not let me out of her sight. I : > finally : > got her to move off the stool. How? I picked her up and put her off. She : > did : > not accept that. I had to do it again. She is stubborn and don't give up : > easily neither. : > : > Angel : > : > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message : > news:eeK3b$RwIHA.1504@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... : > : Sounds like you need someone who can follow instructions and has a good : > back : > : to get in there and help you rearrange things to your comfort. After : > all, : > : these pains aren't going to go away real soon (sorry to be pessimistic, : > but : > : I'd rather you got comfy ASAP.) : > : : > : As for standing on one's head while standing in one's head... I used to : > do : > : that on a regular basis, <bg>. : > : : > : -- : > : Gary S. Terhune : > : MS-MVP Shell/User : > : http://www.grystmill.com : > : : > : "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message : > : news:ucwOR8RwIHA.2208@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... : > : > Gary, how would that be possible! "Standing in my head"? I never would : > try : > : > that! I don't even think I could stand ON my head not alone IN my : > head!! : > : > Have you tried it? HaHaHa!! : > : > : > : > I do use a foot stool, when I can in front of the computer. My cat and : > I : > : > argue over it. She decided to take it over. I also use the arm of the : > : > office : > : > chair for my arm, it relieves the shoulder pain some. : > : > : > : > Angel : > : > : > : > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message : > : > news:e0vC6MRwIHA.524@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... : > : > : Knowing Angel the way I do, I think she should try standing in her : > head, : > : > : <eg>. : > : > : : > : > : -- : > : > : Gary S. Terhune : > : > : MS-MVP Shell/User : > : > : http://www.grystmill.com : > : > : : > : > : "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message : > : > : news:483dd8cc$0$11631$607ed4bc@cv.net... : > : > : > Angel, If you just put a ottoman or stool with pillow or towel in : > : > front : > : > of : > : > : > you at the : > : > : > computer, it can work just as well as above the heart. Of course, : > : > laying : > : > : > down with : > : > : > feet elevated is optimal but no one really expects you to do that. : > : > Sorry : > : > : > for your : > : > : > problems. Ginny R.N. : > : > : > "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message : > : > : > news:%23la3KVQwIHA.1980@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... : > : > : >> Hi Gary, : > : > : >> : > : > : >> Doing pretty good. Don't stay on the computer very long at a : > time. : > : > Still : > : > : >> trouble with the shoulder not cooperating. The ankle swells up : > quite : > : > a : > : > : >> bit. : > : > : >> Supposed to keep the leg elevated above the heart to keep the : > : > swelling : > : > : >> down, : > : > : >> yeah right! Should I stand on my head? : > : > : >> : > : > : >> When you go to yahoo! mail, you go to Options and follow the : > : > directions : > : > : >> under Preferences and you get it in text and when you get the : > mail, : > : > you : > : > : >> can : > : > : >> go to the bottom of the page and hit HTML or at the top of the : > email : > : > and : > : > : >> hit : > : > : >> the show images. EASY! : > : > : >> : > : > : >> Angel : > : > : >> : > : > : >> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message : > : > : >> news:%23gbu8CHwIHA.4376@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... : > : > : >> : Hi, Angel! How ya doin'? I didn't know that about Yahoo! Mail. : > : > : >> : : > : > : >> : -- : > : > : >> : Gary S. Terhune : > : > : >> : MS-MVP Shell/User : > : > : >> : http://www.grystmill.com : > : > : >> : : > : > : >> : : > : > : >> : "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message : > : > : >> : news:%23IMYJiEwIHA.5096@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... : > : > : >> : > Hi all, : > : > : >> : > You can also use that method in the yahoo web mail. : > : > : >> : > Angel : > : > : >> : > : > : > : >> : > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message : > : > : >> : > news:OThQZYDwIHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... : > : > : >> : > : If you follow proper security habits, including setting : > email : > : > apps : > : > : >> to : > : > : >> : > only : > : > : >> : > : read messages in Plain Text, you never have to worry about : > any : > : > : >> viruses : > : > : >> : > : getting in. Doesn't matter what client you use. If you get : > a : > : > POS : > : > : >> HTML : > : > : >> : > email : > : > : >> : > : that can't be read in PT, and you trust the source, then : > you : > : > can : > : > : >> change : > : > : >> : > to : > : > : >> : > : view in HTML (in OE, anyway.) : > : > : >> : > : : > : > : >> : > : -- : > : > : >> : > : Gary S. Terhune : > : > : >> : > : MS-MVP Shell/User : > : > : >> : > : http://www.grystmill.com : > : > : >> : > : : > : > : >> : > : <letterman@invalid.com> wrote in message : > : > : >> : > : news:2ooo34t082va22nc9rv0np3cr5sf9ckjhm@4ax.com... : > : > : >> : > : > I should have mentioned that Outlook Express is very poor : > : > : >> software : > : > : >> : > : > that will allow viruses to infect your computer. I wont : > even : > : > : >> allow : > : > : >> : > : > that POS on my computer. I deleted the entire directory : > many : > : > : >> years : > : > : >> : > : > ago. I'd highly recommend finding another email software : > as : > : > well : > : > : >> as : > : > : >> : > : > another usenet software. (some do both, such as the newer : > : > : >> versions : > : > : >> of : > : > : >> : > : > Agent). : > : > : >> : > : : > : > : >> : > : > : > : >> : > : > : > : >> : : > : > : >> : > : > : >> : > : > : > : > : > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : > : > : : > : > :
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted May 30, 2008 Posted May 30, 2008 Re: What is Quick Time Re: What is Quick Time "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:OHH8jviwIHA.4564@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > > > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > news:ehpJ3fhwIHA.4376@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > | There must be SOME kind of survey that reports decent stats on the > usage, > | particularly in the industrial and large commercial settings. In my > case, > I > | freely admit that "my" public consists of home and SOHO users, and I'll > bet > | the web stats aren't at all far off in those categories. Certainly not > by > | any large order of magnitude. Besides, I don't know what you mean by > | "Windows information web sites." Are you trying to say that > | http://www.w3counter.com/globalstats.php is somehow rigged? And how many > | sites REQUIRE IE such that you can't even get there to be counted using > | Linux? > > Ah, that site is completely blocked in my HOSTS file, guess why. I dunno. You don't like being counted? > Your base consists of those computers you know how to fix, that's not a > cut, just a statement. > AND you direct those parties move to what YOU recommend. > And no, the stats may not be wrong, but what do they reflect [can't tell > you as I have no intention of disabling the block].. > The intent of the computer age was to INCREASE the intelligence of the > world and to allow the people of the world to communicate with each > other.. > > IN STARK constrast, we find what actually occurred was that people just > bitched and complained until they find an OS which they need no NOTHING > about to use, so they can pirate software and music, send emails, view > nifty > Flash objects, steal DVD movies, watch TV programs on their computer, and > .... meanwhile, the intelligence level seems to have *fallen off the edge > of > the world*... Exactly my thesis. You want to force the computer world into such a format that a user MUST learn. Quixotic at best. > | As I said, maybe when I get the time. But I don't see much in the way of > | application support out there, much less hardware support. And you keep > | ignoring my main point: All your whining about dumb devices and > Microsoft's > | stealing (let's not be coy, we both know they do it), and everything > else > is > | meaningless to me. A world built upon innumerable Linux distros and > millions > | of independent programmers, and tons of tiny partnerships between > | programmers and hardware developers... I don't want any part of it. I > *want* > | mass marketed and standardized products, even if they're dumb and > crappy. > As > | does most of the world. That's where the tilting at windmills part comes > in, > | and I don't mean just you, I mean the whole utopian Linux crowd. They > are > | invaluable to society, but they will never come near ruling it except in > | some self-satisfied sense of accomplishment. > > What application don't you find? What is it that you need to do that isn't > found in a Linux version or specific program? I already mentioned Photoshop. Add Illustrator. Add MS Access. And in any case, are you saying that the Linux crowd has it so together these days that one can write a single version of an application (or two or three, max) that will run near flawlessly on any modern Linux distro, WITHOUT having to personally, manually, reprogram the OS to some certain extent? > SO you WANT to be forced every few years to buy a new computer and > devices, > you WANT to be forced to upgrade when support is pulled, you WANT to have > no > control on what your OS does, you WANT to ... well, the comment would > usually be "lead by the nose". Yup, as part of the capitalist masses, that's exactly what I want. Idiot-proofing, with just enough leeway to customize as needed for most uses I could ever possibly want to put my machine to. Whether you like it or not, Windows provides just that. And I want NEW, NEW, NEW!!! Hey, you talk about the internet being intended to improve communications, seems to me that YouTube, My Space, the older fashioned Chat rooms, et al, are perfect examples of success. And all of these technologies change by the minute, made possible for the most part by Windows. If it weren't for cheap, cobbled-together Windows, I'd never have met my wife in a Yahoo! Chat room, I'd never have been able to maintain a courtship via ICQ for a year, and we'd never have been able to build what life we have together without Windows machines to run our HOME publishing business. (Things were always such that a "normal" 9-5 life is impossible for either of us.) > | > | Now, I grant you that Linux lends itself to specialization, which could > be > | wonderful in large networks in large companies, and Linux is perhaps > making > | inroads there. But I'm betting it's just as slow going as in the > | personal/SOHO market. Then again, you say we have no stats for those. > > Gary, what all Windows user forget, is that Windows displaced Unix, Linux, > Xnix, IBM DOS, and variants from the home and business world. Granted, > home > usage during that time period was infantismal. The FIRST Windows was used > because it looked GRAPHICAL. Everything used within it for NET use came > from > third parties. Microsoft limped into the picture with a rediculous > browser... and that's about it. More irrelevant facts. So what? Microsoft MADE the internet what it is today, by mass marketing stuff that the nerds all seemed to want to keep to themselves. (I don't think the vast majority of nerds really want everyone else to be nerds. That would mean they aren't special anymore.) And your continuous harping on the fact that Microsoft built itself through astute business deals and/or less reputable shenanigans, that's all well known history. You're whining again. > Here's somethiing, how many servers RUNNING the Internet use a Linux/Unix > or variant? Quite a few, maybe most of them. What's your point? I presume that with that upper case RUNNING, you weren't including servers that just dish stuff stuff out to people *using* the internet. Hey, I'd expect these internet-RUNNING machines to be well-maintained and constantly monitored for any problems, to have a LOT of manpower devoted to keeping them online and clean. And if they're so good, why can't they intervene to stop all possible internet hacks? > What is the number one server being used to put hacks into systems? Windows IIS, I would imagine. Don't forget the "biggest, easiest target" paradigm. It is to be assumed that most such servers are also poorly maintained by less than perfectly knowledgable people. All in all, easy targets for hackers. What's your point? That the internet would be safer if it didn't allow any users to use it without a college degree in maintaining and programming computers? That they should at least be regulated and monitored, like certain other professionals in our society? Man, just WHERE are you going to get these people? Or are you saying that if these were Linux servers instead of Windows servers, internet hacks, D.O.S. attacks, etc., would magically cease to occur? I don't buy that for one second. The key isn't the operating system, it's the people who run/use them. But if you think you can somehow coerce people into knowing what they're doing, first, by making it impossible to use a computer otherwise... Back to La Mancha you go. > | Still, I don't see those Web stats changing very quickly, nor the pace > of > | that change changing very quickly. And while you might quibble with them > a > | bit, you can't go changing them by orders of magnitude just on a hunch > or > | based upon magazines, blogs, etc. The potential of Linux is and always > has > > | been just that--potential. If you want to convince me that Linux has any > | near-term chance to save the world from XP, then let's have the numbers. > | > | -- > | Gary S. Terhune > | MS-MVP Shell/User > | http://www.grystmill.com > > I'd suggest getting a better reference,,, like most sensible people, I > have > that site completely blocked, so that likely leaves JUST the usual > uninformed Windows user... Hey, PAY ATTENTION!!! I've been asking you over and over and over again for ANY such reference you can provide, and you apparently can't. Again, why do you block that site? For the same silly reason people fear tracking cookies, scripts, etc.? You can't honestly be claiming thatt there's anything *malicious* at that site? -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message > | news:O1wWd%23gwIHA.552@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > | > Wrong. The free Linux versions don't read into the sales numbers as no > one > | > knows how many are being run... Windows information web sites > statistics > | > also are not reflective of use, nor are sites which REQUIRE > Microsoft's > | > browsers, Linux users run these in an envelope to make it APPEAR to be > the > | > proper browser and OS is used.... > | > > | > I would suggest you actually spend some time finding out about Linux > | > before making comments on what it can or can not do. Microsoft > "borrows" > a > | > good percentage of its ideas FROM the Linux world, and remember, the > | > programmers for Linux must generally first pull the chip code and > write > | > the > | > drivers from that information, for the most part, before they can > | > implement > | > it. Moreover, as Microsoft and the hardware manufacturers now work to > | > create > | > ever dumber devices [making them OS supported only] it becomes even > more > | > difficult for the Linux community to apply and support those > deliberately > | > DUMB devices.. > | > > | > Do some research... as my daughter says "Live Life Illuminated" or you > can > | > remain in the dark, that's a personal choice you will make. > | > > | > -- > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > | > -- > | > _________ > | > > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > | > news:O3zDBhfwIHA.2068@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > | > | That was harsh, and so I should add... Yes, 98 was great. But you > know > | > as > | > | well as I do that it had fatal flaws. It *had* to be replaced. Then > we > | > got > | > | what we got from MS, which I recognize as an attempt to create a > master > | > OS > | > | that would run in all kinds of "interwoven" devices. Nobody else has > | > come > | > | close to stepping up to the plate, yet. Numbers don't lie, Linux > distros > | > are > | > | flat, and it's not like they aren't being marketed. Then there's the > | > most > | > | recent thing to decently boost Mac sales. The ability to run Windows > XP > | > | decently using a VM! > | > | > | > | -- > | > | Gary S. Terhune > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User > | > | http://www.grystmill.com > | > | > | > | > | > | "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > | > | news:%23dJr$aewIHA.4492@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > | > | > > | > | > "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message > | > | > news:%23bI12MdwIHA.3760@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > | > | >> Gary, you're wrong or uninformed. > | > | > > | > | > Hey, I'm just looking at the numbers. > | > | > > | > | >> Check out the comparisons to the newest Linux clones verses XP > [or > | > even > | > | >> VISTA]. You can't ignore where the world is moving. Microsoft > doesn't > | > and > | > | >> is > | > | >> concerned. Between Apple and these clones, Microsoft has to rely > upon > | > | >> uniformed people to use its OSs, and coerce manufactures to > follow > | > its > | > | >> designs, and force the use of its OSs. > | > | > > | > | > Again, the story is in the numbers -- FACTS. And again, capitalism > is > | > a > | > | > FACT. The vast uninformed society is a FACT. Apple's upper-level > | > quality > | > | > (and price) are FACTS. Microsoft's predatory practices are FACTS. > I > | > don't > | > | > dispute that "the world is moving", but it's moving at a snail's > pace > | > | > toward something nobody can yet foresee. > | > | > > | > | >> XP may suit your purposes, obviously it does, but that means > little. > | > | > > | > | > Means a heck of a lot to me and everyone who uses it! > | > | > > | > | >> Wouldn't you rather run an OS which can be changed today, rather > than > | > | >> waiting a month or never, to have something fixed. > | > | > > | > | > No. I would not want my machine used as a test box every day. > | > | > > | > | >>Wouldn't you rather have > | > | >> manufacturers working WITH users, rather than with Microsoft. > | > | > > | > | > Work with users in what way? I'd rather the hardware and the OS > code > | > got > | > | > along, thank you, and I don't think it should be the OS getting > | > changed > | > | > every day in order to keep up with every whim of every hardware > | > developer > | > | > out there, much less the hardware manufacturers' "users". Again, > you > | > are > | > | > describing chaos. > | > | > > | > | >>Wouldn't you > | > | >> rather have thousands of code knowledgeable people helping to > protect > | > you > | > | >> [with the opposite of course, but that's in Windows also so the > | > | >> comparison > | > | >> is negated]. > | > | > > | > | > Where do you get these "thousands of code-knowledgeable people"? > And > | > how > | > | > am I supposed to choose who to listen to? No, now that I think > abou > | > tit, > | > | > the LAST thing I want is a bunch of "code-knowledgeable people" > | > helping > | > | > me. I want other USERS helping me. I want the code people to busy > | > | > themselves keeping the code in good order and I want them to ALL > BE > ON > | > THE > | > | > SAME TEAM! > | > | > > | > | >> Don't you wonder why Windows is supposedly mostly a secret > coding, > | > yet > | > | >> just > | > | >> about everyone can hack it [from 7 or 8 year olds up]? Why would > you > | > | >> support > | > | >> a system in which the key features cause numerous issues of their > | > own? > | > | > > | > | > No, I never wondered that. I knew the answer without having to > | > actually > | > | > ask the question. It's akin to a law of nature. But you imply that > the > | > | > other OSes are hack proof, or inherently less insecure, that they > are > | > | > without faults in logic, without vulnerabilities just as nasty as > the > | > ones > | > | > you bemoan in WIndows, and that's a crock. > | > | > > | > | > And you still don't get it -- I have no big attachment to XP other > | > than > | > | > it's what gets the job done for me and none of the others could > come > | > | > close. My only other observation is that XP/Vista appear to be > | > maintaining > | > | > their share, or losing it at a snails pace at worst, and that this > is > | > due > | > | > to basic capitalism. Microsoft, or anyone who seeks to replace > them, > | > need > | > | > a brand new bag altogether, but I prefer the current state of > affairs > | > to > | > | > the chaos you describe. > | > | > > | > | >> Ask yourself why you WOULD ignore these things, why you fight so > | > | >> desperately to further an OS which you admit is not what it > purports > | > to > | > | >> be.... Your ideas and arguments fall flat, by your own > writings... > | > | > > | > | > How is it that you keep seeing me as "fighting" for > XP/Vista/whatever? > | > I > | > | > have no dog in this fight. I just want the winner when the dust > | > settles. > | > | > For the last several years, that's been Windows XP and now this > | > mongrel > | > | > Vista. > | > | > > | > | >> Gary, the reason I'M here, is I have a small part in this monster > | > called > | > | >> Microsoft. I participated in the very earliest stages, provided > the > | > error > | > | >> reports and suggestions, downloaded by long distance and at MY > cost > | > the > | > | >> files by 2400 then 14.4 then 33.6 modem, defended [verbally] the > | > parties > | > | >> who > | > | >> brought windows to the business world and were FIRED AND SUED for > | > doing > | > | >> so, > | > | >> did the beta testing until Microsoft started CHARGING [how dense > am > | > I, > | > ah > | > | >> yeah, I supply the computer system which Microsoft trashes and > which > | > I > | > | >> PAY > | > | >> to have trashed] and a number of other things which I now > regret.... > | > no > | > | >> matter how trivial or insignificant my part or input was, this 9X > | > | >> environment is something I participated in and THOUGHT the world > | > needed > | > | >> [it > | > | >> was, it brought computing to the masses as you indicate]. The NT > | > | >> environment, which I also worked with though NEVER recommended, > has, > | > per > | > | >> my > | > | >> own testing, never been a good replacement for Unix or other > servers. > | > | >> That > | > | >> it was forced into the home environment under false pretences is > | > | >> something I > | > | >> can not support. My position on XP was stated YEARS ago in this > | > group, > | > I > | > | >> will never recommend it unless something changes, which SP3 did > not > | > | >> completely do. > | > | > > | > | > As PA Bear implied, you tend toward the Quixotic. I don't care > about > | > your > | > | > theories and academic opinions, your howling in the night. Your > | > worldview > | > | > is at odds with reality. > | > | > > | > | > -- > | > | > Gary S. Terhune > | > | > MS-MVP Shell/User > | > | > http://www.grystmill.com > | > | > > > -- > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > -- > _________ > > > >
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted May 30, 2008 Posted May 30, 2008 Re: IE Running well so far You're fine, except you left out one very important app -- SypwareBlaster. You DO have that installed, don't you? And you keep it up to date? -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message news:%23Fraq3owIHA.3384@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > Yeah Gary, she sure could use the exercise. Send them anytime. We are > beginning to call her "Fat Cat" instead of "Streaker". George says she is > a > Bowling Ball with legs! She was fat when I got her. Right now, she is > sleeping on my old Contour chair. The chair does not adjust very well > anymore, most of the time it only has one position. It needs a new one. I > bought it long before I retired 16 years ago. > > I uninstalled the AdAware last night. So far, no problems because I > uninstalled it. I still have Avast! and Spybot 1.4. I have not updated the > Spybot lately. I just don't know which updates to use. > > Angel > > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > news:%23sy$sobwIHA.5520@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > : I can send you a poodle or two to chase teh cat. Keep it busy. > : > : -- > : Gary S. Terhune > : MS-MVP Shell/User > : http://www.grystmill.com > : > : "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message > : news:uXJrWPZwIHA.524@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > : > Yes, I already knew that it will take a while for the pain to subside. > : > Even > : > the pain pills don't work that well. Gary, I am prepared for a long > hall, > : > but you know I do not give up or in easily. You are not pessimistic > only > : > truthful. This is no picnic, if you know what I mean. > : > > : > My cat is on the footstool I am trying to use. She takes up most of > the > : > footstool. Since I got home, she does not let me out of her sight. I > : > finally > : > got her to move off the stool. How? I picked her up and put her off. > She > : > did > : > not accept that. I had to do it again. She is stubborn and don't give > up > : > easily neither. > : > > : > Angel > : > > : > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > : > news:eeK3b$RwIHA.1504@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > : > : Sounds like you need someone who can follow instructions and has a > good > : > back > : > : to get in there and help you rearrange things to your comfort. After > : > all, > : > : these pains aren't going to go away real soon (sorry to be > pessimistic, > : > but > : > : I'd rather you got comfy ASAP.) > : > : > : > : As for standing on one's head while standing in one's head... I used > to > : > do > : > : that on a regular basis, <bg>. > : > : > : > : -- > : > : Gary S. Terhune > : > : MS-MVP Shell/User > : > : http://www.grystmill.com > : > : > : > : "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message > : > : news:ucwOR8RwIHA.2208@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > : > : > Gary, how would that be possible! "Standing in my head"? I never > would > : > try > : > : > that! I don't even think I could stand ON my head not alone IN my > : > head!! > : > : > Have you tried it? HaHaHa!! > : > : > > : > : > I do use a foot stool, when I can in front of the computer. My cat > and > : > I > : > : > argue over it. She decided to take it over. I also use the arm of > the > : > : > office > : > : > chair for my arm, it relieves the shoulder pain some. > : > : > > : > : > Angel > : > : > > : > : > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > : > : > news:e0vC6MRwIHA.524@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > : > : > : Knowing Angel the way I do, I think she should try standing in > her > : > head, > : > : > : <eg>. > : > : > : > : > : > : -- > : > : > : Gary S. Terhune > : > : > : MS-MVP Shell/User > : > : > : http://www.grystmill.com > : > : > : > : > : > : "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message > : > : > : news:483dd8cc$0$11631$607ed4bc@cv.net... > : > : > : > Angel, If you just put a ottoman or stool with pillow or towel > in > : > : > front > : > : > of > : > : > : > you at the > : > : > : > computer, it can work just as well as above the heart. Of > course, > : > : > laying > : > : > : > down with > : > : > : > feet elevated is optimal but no one really expects you to do > that. > : > : > Sorry > : > : > : > for your > : > : > : > problems. Ginny R.N. > : > : > : > "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message > : > : > : > news:%23la3KVQwIHA.1980@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > : > : > : >> Hi Gary, > : > : > : >> > : > : > : >> Doing pretty good. Don't stay on the computer very long at a > : > time. > : > : > Still > : > : > : >> trouble with the shoulder not cooperating. The ankle swells > up > : > quite > : > : > a > : > : > : >> bit. > : > : > : >> Supposed to keep the leg elevated above the heart to keep the > : > : > swelling > : > : > : >> down, > : > : > : >> yeah right! Should I stand on my head? > : > : > : >> > : > : > : >> When you go to yahoo! mail, you go to Options and follow the > : > : > directions > : > : > : >> under Preferences and you get it in text and when you get the > : > mail, > : > : > you > : > : > : >> can > : > : > : >> go to the bottom of the page and hit HTML or at the top of > the > : > email > : > : > and > : > : > : >> hit > : > : > : >> the show images. EASY! > : > : > : >> > : > : > : >> Angel > : > : > : >> > : > : > : >> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > : > : > : >> news:%23gbu8CHwIHA.4376@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > : > : > : >> : Hi, Angel! How ya doin'? I didn't know that about Yahoo! > Mail. > : > : > : >> : > : > : > : >> : -- > : > : > : >> : Gary S. Terhune > : > : > : >> : MS-MVP Shell/User > : > : > : >> : http://www.grystmill.com > : > : > : >> : > : > : > : >> : > : > : > : >> : "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message > : > : > : >> : news:%23IMYJiEwIHA.5096@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > : > : > : >> : > Hi all, > : > : > : >> : > You can also use that method in the yahoo web mail. > : > : > : >> : > Angel > : > : > : >> : > > : > : > : >> : > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > : > : > : >> : > news:OThQZYDwIHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > : > : > : >> : > : If you follow proper security habits, including setting > : > email > : > : > apps > : > : > : >> to > : > : > : >> : > only > : > : > : >> : > : read messages in Plain Text, you never have to worry > about > : > any > : > : > : >> viruses > : > : > : >> : > : getting in. Doesn't matter what client you use. If you > get > : > a > : > : > POS > : > : > : >> HTML > : > : > : >> : > email > : > : > : >> : > : that can't be read in PT, and you trust the source, > then > : > you > : > : > can > : > : > : >> change > : > : > : >> : > to > : > : > : >> : > : view in HTML (in OE, anyway.) > : > : > : >> : > : > : > : > : >> : > : -- > : > : > : >> : > : Gary S. Terhune > : > : > : >> : > : MS-MVP Shell/User > : > : > : >> : > : http://www.grystmill.com > : > : > : >> : > : > : > : > : >> : > : <letterman@invalid.com> wrote in message > : > : > : >> : > : news:2ooo34t082va22nc9rv0np3cr5sf9ckjhm@4ax.com... > : > : > : >> : > : > I should have mentioned that Outlook Express is very > poor > : > : > : >> software > : > : > : >> : > : > that will allow viruses to infect your computer. I > wont > : > even > : > : > : >> allow > : > : > : >> : > : > that POS on my computer. I deleted the entire > directory > : > many > : > : > : >> years > : > : > : >> : > : > ago. I'd highly recommend finding another email > software > : > as > : > : > well > : > : > : >> as > : > : > : >> : > : > another usenet software. (some do both, such as the > newer > : > : > : >> versions > : > : > : >> of > : > : > : >> : > : > Agent). > : > : > : >> : > : > : > : > : >> : > > : > : > : >> : > > : > : > : >> : > : > : > : >> > : > : > : >> > : > : > : > > : > : > : > > : > : > : > : > : > > : > : > > : > : > : > > : > > : > >
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted May 30, 2008 Posted May 30, 2008 Re: What is Quick Time Re: What is Quick Time Thought so, <eg>. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:u4ycUfjwIHA.5620@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > OOOHHH, I missed this one, you put the sig at the top... > > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > news:OcWlexTwIHA.548@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > | > | > | > | -- > | Gary S. Terhune > | MS-MVP Shell/User > | http://www.grystmill.com > | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message > | news:uorQnxSwIHA.548@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > | > Ah ,YOU brought capitalism as an issue, I see NO WHERE in my posts > that > | > indicates that. > | > | Capitalism = Real World. A place where you, apparently, don't wish to > | reside. > > CAPITALISM = with its waste, consumerism, profit margins and market calls, > investments in junk businesses and manufacturers, lack of concern for > people, lack of concern for environment, fosters its ME/MINE attitude, > resource Wars, depletion of the ozone, destruction of the ice caps, > elimination of wildlife and sea creatures, world wealth in the hands of > the > select few, limited and DIRECTED education of children, and all this other > lovely stuff going on,,, the thing that will destroy this planet,, oh > wait, > that's pretty much been accomplished. It IS useful for America, it has > kept > this bankrupt nation alive [declared essential bankrupcy seven times since > the depression], of course the money is useless and only backed by foreign > nations but who cares about whether that CREDIT is ever paid back, not > Capitalists...... worry about future generations, why, there's no profit > in > it, and WHO CARES we certainly aren't going to be there, that's their > problem.... > > So yeah, let's drill ALL the oil out NOW and use it,,, let's spend the > next > thirty years trying to figure out what to do, after all, its only been a > few > thousand years already, let's let the people pay for coal technological > usage improvements FOR the producers, let's strip the sea of life and fill > it in with human waste and garbage, let's finish this with a bang,, yep > that's it,,, let's just get rid of all those things in our way.... > > We don't need animals, fish , vegetables, or any of that junk, we can eat > ourselves, like in "Soylent Green".... use War to decrease the population > like "1984", oh YEAH let's bask in our glory.... hey sounds like the plan, > whatyatink... > > | > | > WHY would I post that in this group??? > | > I spent more than a month in this group attempting to discuss and > explain > | > the XP hard drive issues with 9X,,, had many of the posters put > material > | > into the discussion which they had no idea of, *discredit [or rather > | > attempt > | > to do so] ACTAUL functions IN XP*, and the final outcome came to "NOT" > | > checking Smart statistics because the drive APPEARED to be clean... > who > | > cares if its not realistic, who cares if anything had been > re-allocated, > | > who > | > cares.... > | > | Why would you discuss XP issues in THIS group in any detail? And since > when > > It was a discussion concerning 98 usage after and on drives with XP. Seems > that made it pretty appropriate for a 98 group. It did get a number of XP > users to pop in, and increased re-population [other mirrors], and > viewers/participants here. The added benefit, it exposed some of XP. AND > changed a few attitudes concerning what to do with these types of disks, > how > to wipe drives, what programs are worthless to use, and several other > useful > items...... > > | DON'T long threads of that nature get filled with stupid contributions? > And > | who DOES care, anyway? > | > | > Now if you can explain to me why I would do this again, post it... > | > > | > As for daily use: that's funny, not only daily use, but FAR more.... > | > There is no bias on my part, but there certainly is on yours, I HAVE > run > | > other non-Microsoft OSs.... and did the same thing in those OSs, > testing, > | > defining, clarifying,,, and using. Guess what, I intend to do it > again... > | > | Have fun. > | > | > Are we done yet? > | > | Don't know, yet. > | > | -- > | Gary S. Terhune > | MS-MVP Shell/User > | http://www.grystmill.com > > Apparently we aren't.... > > | > | > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > | > news:uMZL4JQwIHA.420@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > | > | I didn't say testing and monitoring wouldn't tell you a lot, but if > you > | > | haven't actually used it day in and day out, doing all the things > that > | > | people do with their desktop PCs, you have nothing but nerdy, yes. > | > | > | > | So what's your results. In particular, discuss the comparative > features > | > and > | > | why you seem to think that all the extra functionality in XP is > plain > | > | worthless, or could just as easily be done in 9x. Synopsize and hit > the > | > high > | > | points, please. I'm not up to reams of data. > | > | > | > | I gotta tell you, your bias is showing all over the place, and I > ALWAYS > | > | remember that statistics can be easily misconstrued and/or made to > lie. > | > | > | > | And if your real gripe is capitalism in general, then let's leave > off > | > this > | > | discussion, OK? > | > | > | > | -- > | > | Gary S. Terhune > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User > | > | http://www.grystmill.com > | > | > | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message > | > | news:evO68%23OwIHA.5096@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > | > | > That's usage monitoring. file monitoring, network monitoring, > Internet > | > | > monitoring, disk monitoring, service monitoring, device > monitoring, > | > | > etc.,,, > | > | > ah, that's far beyond simple usage. Seems that would give me a bit > | > more > | > | > knowledge,, but then that would be relative and nerdy wouldn't > it.. > | > | > > | > | > -- > | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > | > | > -- > | > | > _________ > | > | > > | > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > | > | > news:Oyaln3OwIHA.516@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > | > | > | Testing and monitoring... But not really using? ROTFLMAO!!! That > | > leaves > | > | > you > | > | > | well prepared for nothing more than just so much nerdy babble. > | > | > | > | > | > | -- > | > | > | Gary S. Terhune > | > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User > | > | > | http://www.grystmill.com > | > | > | > | > | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message > | > | > | news:%23l7eJaOwIHA.1240@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > | > | > | > QT can be used locally, or one can find codex to handle that > | > format > | > in > | > | > | > some > | > | > | > other player which IS being supported. > | > | > | > > | > | > | > Right, you DO say that constantly, and you also attempt to > foster > | > the > | > | > | > notion that XP has become the world's favorite because its > just > so > | > | > good > | > | > | > and > | > | > | > secure, BS, the reason for increased usage is that it is > difficult > | > to > | > | > find > | > | > | > computer's to support 9X, leaving the only viable Windows > choice > | > as > | > | > XP, > | > | > | > and > | > | > | > VISTA is still such a PITA. Try not to buy into the garbage > spewed > | > by > | > | > | > media > | > | > | > and others... OR if you wish, we CAN discuss the POS XP which > I > | > DID > | > | > spend > | > | > | > considerable time testing and monitoring... how good its,,, > look > | > HERE: > | > | > | > > | > | > | > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/946480/en-us > | > | > | > > | > | > | > Think everything is fixed,,, guess again... > | > | > | > > | > | > | > -- > | > | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > | > | > | > -- > | > | > | > _________ > | > | > | > > | > | > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > | > | > | > news:uKoNOPOwIHA.3760@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > | > | > | > | I already told you, that machine has had EVERYTHING > installed > on > | > it > | > | > at > | > | > | > one > | > | > | > | time or another, and been through several ISPs and their > | > | > | > branding/helpful > | > | > | > | software, etc. > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | But what should she do if she needs QT to play something? > After > | > all, > | > | > > | > | > | > what > | > | > | > | you say about QT on Windows 98 could be said about Win98 > itself. > | > In > | > | > | > fact, > | > | > | > I > | > | > | > | say it fairly regularly in places where people might > actually > | > | > listen. > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | -- > | > | > | > | Gary S. Terhune > | > | > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User > | > | > | > | http://www.grystmill.com > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message > | > | > | > | news:uzyZhGOwIHA.1504@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > | > | > | > | > Apple's QuickTime for 98 has not been supported for some > time. > | > It > | > | > is > | > | > a > | > | > | > | > security risk, and is severely outdated. > | > | > | > | > Unless you have some special need to use it online, do not > | > allow > | > | > it > | > | > | > access > | > | > | > | > to the Internet. > | > | > | > | > > | > | > | > | > Are you using AOL or some other ISP which installed this > for > | > you? > | > | > | > | > > | > | > | > | > -- > | > | > | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > | > | > | > | > -- > | > | > | > | > _________ > | > | > | > | > > | > | > | > | > "Tim Slattery" <Slattery_T@bls.gov> wrote in message > | > | > | > | > news:fa1r3490ic78jqm9d8p4mkkvf84r0rcg82@4ax.com... > | > | > | > | > | "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote: > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | >Could someone please tell me what Quick Time is? Sygate > | > says > | > it > | > | > was > | > | > | > | > critical that I > | > | > | > | > | >had approved a whole bunch of new dlls for Quick Time, > and > | > I > | > | > don't > | > | > | > even > | > | > | > | > remember what > | > | > | > | > | >it is. Ginny > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | QuickTime is Apple's video player. It plays *.mov and > *.mp4 > | > | > files, > | > | > | > | > | which Windows Media Player will not. Installing it will > also > | > get > | > | > you > | > | > | > | > | endless nags from Apple to upgrade it and iTunes > (whether > | > you > | > | > have > | > | > | > | > | iTunes or not). > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | -- > | > | > | > | > | Tim Slattery > | > | > | > | > | MS MVP(Shell/User) > | > | > | > | > | Slattery_T@bls.gov > | > | > | > | > | http://members.cox.net/slatteryt > | > | > | > | > > -- > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > -- > _________ > > > >
Guest Angel Posted May 30, 2008 Posted May 30, 2008 Re: IE Running well so far No Gary, I do not have SypwareBlaster installed. I don't even think I have it. Angel "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message news:Od9njRpwIHA.1436@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... : You're fine, except you left out one very important app -- SypwareBlaster. : You DO have that installed, don't you? And you keep it up to date? : : -- : Gary S. Terhune : MS-MVP Shell/User : http://www.grystmill.com : : "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message : news:%23Fraq3owIHA.3384@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... : > Yeah Gary, she sure could use the exercise. Send them anytime. We are : > beginning to call her "Fat Cat" instead of "Streaker". George says she is : > a : > Bowling Ball with legs! She was fat when I got her. Right now, she is : > sleeping on my old Contour chair. The chair does not adjust very well : > anymore, most of the time it only has one position. It needs a new one. I : > bought it long before I retired 16 years ago. : > : > I uninstalled the AdAware last night. So far, no problems because I : > uninstalled it. I still have Avast! and Spybot 1.4. I have not updated the : > Spybot lately. I just don't know which updates to use. : > : > Angel : > : > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message : > news:%23sy$sobwIHA.5520@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... : > : I can send you a poodle or two to chase teh cat. Keep it busy. : > : : > : -- : > : Gary S. Terhune : > : MS-MVP Shell/User : > : http://www.grystmill.com : > : : > : "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message : > : news:uXJrWPZwIHA.524@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... : > : > Yes, I already knew that it will take a while for the pain to subside. : > : > Even : > : > the pain pills don't work that well. Gary, I am prepared for a long : > hall, : > : > but you know I do not give up or in easily. You are not pessimistic : > only : > : > truthful. This is no picnic, if you know what I mean. : > : > : > : > My cat is on the footstool I am trying to use. She takes up most of : > the : > : > footstool. Since I got home, she does not let me out of her sight. I : > : > finally : > : > got her to move off the stool. How? I picked her up and put her off. : > She : > : > did : > : > not accept that. I had to do it again. She is stubborn and don't give : > up : > : > easily neither. : > : > : > : > Angel : > : > : > : > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message : > : > news:eeK3b$RwIHA.1504@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... : > : > : Sounds like you need someone who can follow instructions and has a : > good : > : > back : > : > : to get in there and help you rearrange things to your comfort. After : > : > all, : > : > : these pains aren't going to go away real soon (sorry to be : > pessimistic, : > : > but : > : > : I'd rather you got comfy ASAP.) : > : > : : > : > : As for standing on one's head while standing in one's head... I used : > to : > : > do : > : > : that on a regular basis, <bg>. : > : > : : > : > : -- : > : > : Gary S. Terhune : > : > : MS-MVP Shell/User : > : > : http://www.grystmill.com : > : > : : > : > : "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message : > : > : news:ucwOR8RwIHA.2208@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... : > : > : > Gary, how would that be possible! "Standing in my head"? I never : > would : > : > try : > : > : > that! I don't even think I could stand ON my head not alone IN my : > : > head!! : > : > : > Have you tried it? HaHaHa!! : > : > : > : > : > : > I do use a foot stool, when I can in front of the computer. My cat : > and : > : > I : > : > : > argue over it. She decided to take it over. I also use the arm of : > the : > : > : > office : > : > : > chair for my arm, it relieves the shoulder pain some. : > : > : > : > : > : > Angel : > : > : > : > : > : > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message : > : > : > news:e0vC6MRwIHA.524@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... : > : > : > : Knowing Angel the way I do, I think she should try standing in : > her : > : > head, : > : > : > : <eg>. : > : > : > : : > : > : > : -- : > : > : > : Gary S. Terhune : > : > : > : MS-MVP Shell/User : > : > : > : http://www.grystmill.com : > : > : > : : > : > : > : "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message : > : > : > : news:483dd8cc$0$11631$607ed4bc@cv.net... : > : > : > : > Angel, If you just put a ottoman or stool with pillow or towel : > in : > : > : > front : > : > : > of : > : > : > : > you at the : > : > : > : > computer, it can work just as well as above the heart. Of : > course, : > : > : > laying : > : > : > : > down with : > : > : > : > feet elevated is optimal but no one really expects you to do : > that. : > : > : > Sorry : > : > : > : > for your : > : > : > : > problems. Ginny R.N. : > : > : > : > "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message : > : > : > : > news:%23la3KVQwIHA.1980@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... : > : > : > : >> Hi Gary, : > : > : > : >> : > : > : > : >> Doing pretty good. Don't stay on the computer very long at a : > : > time. : > : > : > Still : > : > : > : >> trouble with the shoulder not cooperating. The ankle swells : > up : > : > quite : > : > : > a : > : > : > : >> bit. : > : > : > : >> Supposed to keep the leg elevated above the heart to keep the : > : > : > swelling : > : > : > : >> down, : > : > : > : >> yeah right! Should I stand on my head? : > : > : > : >> : > : > : > : >> When you go to yahoo! mail, you go to Options and follow the : > : > : > directions : > : > : > : >> under Preferences and you get it in text and when you get the : > : > mail, : > : > : > you : > : > : > : >> can : > : > : > : >> go to the bottom of the page and hit HTML or at the top of : > the : > : > email : > : > : > and : > : > : > : >> hit : > : > : > : >> the show images. EASY! : > : > : > : >> : > : > : > : >> Angel : > : > : > : >> : > : > : > : >> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message : > : > : > : >> news:%23gbu8CHwIHA.4376@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... : > : > : > : >> : Hi, Angel! How ya doin'? I didn't know that about Yahoo! : > Mail. : > : > : > : >> : : > : > : > : >> : -- : > : > : > : >> : Gary S. Terhune : > : > : > : >> : MS-MVP Shell/User : > : > : > : >> : http://www.grystmill.com : > : > : > : >> : : > : > : > : >> : : > : > : > : >> : "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message : > : > : > : >> : news:%23IMYJiEwIHA.5096@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... : > : > : > : >> : > Hi all, : > : > : > : >> : > You can also use that method in the yahoo web mail. : > : > : > : >> : > Angel : > : > : > : >> : > : > : > : > : >> : > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message : > : > : > : >> : > news:OThQZYDwIHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... : > : > : > : >> : > : If you follow proper security habits, including setting : > : > email : > : > : > apps : > : > : > : >> to : > : > : > : >> : > only : > : > : > : >> : > : read messages in Plain Text, you never have to worry : > about : > : > any : > : > : > : >> viruses : > : > : > : >> : > : getting in. Doesn't matter what client you use. If you : > get : > : > a : > : > : > POS : > : > : > : >> HTML : > : > : > : >> : > email : > : > : > : >> : > : that can't be read in PT, and you trust the source, : > then : > : > you : > : > : > can : > : > : > : >> change : > : > : > : >> : > to : > : > : > : >> : > : view in HTML (in OE, anyway.) : > : > : > : >> : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : -- : > : > : > : >> : > : Gary S. Terhune : > : > : > : >> : > : MS-MVP Shell/User : > : > : > : >> : > : http://www.grystmill.com : > : > : > : >> : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : <letterman@invalid.com> wrote in message : > : > : > : >> : > : news:2ooo34t082va22nc9rv0np3cr5sf9ckjhm@4ax.com... : > : > : > : >> : > : > I should have mentioned that Outlook Express is very : > poor : > : > : > : >> software : > : > : > : >> : > : > that will allow viruses to infect your computer. I : > wont : > : > even : > : > : > : >> allow : > : > : > : >> : > : > that POS on my computer. I deleted the entire : > directory : > : > many : > : > : > : >> years : > : > : > : >> : > : > ago. I'd highly recommend finding another email : > software : > : > as : > : > : > well : > : > : > : >> as : > : > : > : >> : > : > another usenet software. (some do both, such as the : > newer : > : > : > : >> versions : > : > : > : >> of : > : > : > : >> : > : > Agent). : > : > : > : >> : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > : > : > : >> : > : > : > : > : >> : : > : > : > : >> : > : > : > : >> : > : > : > : > : > : > : > : > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : > : > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : > : > : : > : > :
Guest Angel Posted May 30, 2008 Posted May 30, 2008 Re: IE Running well so far Yes Gary, I found it, but I never installed it. I have to figure out the instructions. I read the text but have to read it again. Angel "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message news:eg%23zpGqwIHA.2292@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... : No Gary, I do not have SypwareBlaster installed. I don't even think I have : it. : : Angel : : "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message : news:Od9njRpwIHA.1436@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... : : You're fine, except you left out one very important app -- SypwareBlaster. : : You DO have that installed, don't you? And you keep it up to date? : : : : -- : : Gary S. Terhune : : MS-MVP Shell/User : : http://www.grystmill.com : : : : "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message : : news:%23Fraq3owIHA.3384@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... : : > Yeah Gary, she sure could use the exercise. Send them anytime. We are : : > beginning to call her "Fat Cat" instead of "Streaker". George says she : is : : > a : : > Bowling Ball with legs! She was fat when I got her. Right now, she is : : > sleeping on my old Contour chair. The chair does not adjust very well : : > anymore, most of the time it only has one position. It needs a new one. : I : : > bought it long before I retired 16 years ago. : : > : : > I uninstalled the AdAware last night. So far, no problems because I : : > uninstalled it. I still have Avast! and Spybot 1.4. I have not updated : the : : > Spybot lately. I just don't know which updates to use. : : > : : > Angel : : > : : > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message : : > news:%23sy$sobwIHA.5520@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... : : > : I can send you a poodle or two to chase teh cat. Keep it busy. : : > : : : > : -- : : > : Gary S. Terhune : : > : MS-MVP Shell/User : : > : http://www.grystmill.com : : > : : : > : "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message : : > : news:uXJrWPZwIHA.524@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... : : > : > Yes, I already knew that it will take a while for the pain to : subside. : : > : > Even : : > : > the pain pills don't work that well. Gary, I am prepared for a long : : > hall, : : > : > but you know I do not give up or in easily. You are not pessimistic : : > only : : > : > truthful. This is no picnic, if you know what I mean. : : > : > : : > : > My cat is on the footstool I am trying to use. She takes up most of : : > the : : > : > footstool. Since I got home, she does not let me out of her sight. I : : > : > finally : : > : > got her to move off the stool. How? I picked her up and put her off. : : > She : : > : > did : : > : > not accept that. I had to do it again. She is stubborn and don't : give : : > up : : > : > easily neither. : : > : > : : > : > Angel : : > : > : : > : > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message : : > : > news:eeK3b$RwIHA.1504@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... : : > : > : Sounds like you need someone who can follow instructions and has a : : > good : : > : > back : : > : > : to get in there and help you rearrange things to your comfort. : After : : > : > all, : : > : > : these pains aren't going to go away real soon (sorry to be : : > pessimistic, : : > : > but : : > : > : I'd rather you got comfy ASAP.) : : > : > : : : > : > : As for standing on one's head while standing in one's head... I : used : : > to : : > : > do : : > : > : that on a regular basis, <bg>. : : > : > : : : > : > : -- : : > : > : Gary S. Terhune : : > : > : MS-MVP Shell/User : : > : > : http://www.grystmill.com : : > : > : : : > : > : "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message : : > : > : news:ucwOR8RwIHA.2208@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... : : > : > : > Gary, how would that be possible! "Standing in my head"? I never : : > would : : > : > try : : > : > : > that! I don't even think I could stand ON my head not alone IN : my : : > : > head!! : : > : > : > Have you tried it? HaHaHa!! : : > : > : > : : > : > : > I do use a foot stool, when I can in front of the computer. My : cat : : > and : : > : > I : : > : > : > argue over it. She decided to take it over. I also use the arm : of : : > the : : > : > : > office : : > : > : > chair for my arm, it relieves the shoulder pain some. : : > : > : > : : > : > : > Angel : : > : > : > : : > : > : > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message : : > : > : > news:e0vC6MRwIHA.524@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... : : > : > : > : Knowing Angel the way I do, I think she should try standing in : : > her : : > : > head, : : > : > : > : <eg>. : : > : > : > : : : > : > : > : -- : : > : > : > : Gary S. Terhune : : > : > : > : MS-MVP Shell/User : : > : > : > : http://www.grystmill.com : : > : > : > : : : > : > : > : "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message : : > : > : > : news:483dd8cc$0$11631$607ed4bc@cv.net... : : > : > : > : > Angel, If you just put a ottoman or stool with pillow or : towel : : > in : : > : > : > front : : > : > : > of : : > : > : > : > you at the : : > : > : > : > computer, it can work just as well as above the heart. Of : : > course, : : > : > : > laying : : > : > : > : > down with : : > : > : > : > feet elevated is optimal but no one really expects you to do : : > that. : : > : > : > Sorry : : > : > : > : > for your : : > : > : > : > problems. Ginny R.N. : : > : > : > : > "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message : : > : > : > : > news:%23la3KVQwIHA.1980@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... : : > : > : > : >> Hi Gary, : : > : > : > : >> : : > : > : > : >> Doing pretty good. Don't stay on the computer very long at : a : : > : > time. : : > : > : > Still : : > : > : > : >> trouble with the shoulder not cooperating. The ankle swells : : > up : : > : > quite : : > : > : > a : : > : > : > : >> bit. : : > : > : > : >> Supposed to keep the leg elevated above the heart to keep : the : : > : > : > swelling : : > : > : > : >> down, : : > : > : > : >> yeah right! Should I stand on my head? : : > : > : > : >> : : > : > : > : >> When you go to yahoo! mail, you go to Options and follow : the : : > : > : > directions : : > : > : > : >> under Preferences and you get it in text and when you get : the : : > : > mail, : : > : > : > you : : > : > : > : >> can : : > : > : > : >> go to the bottom of the page and hit HTML or at the top of : : > the : : > : > email : : > : > : > and : : > : > : > : >> hit : : > : > : > : >> the show images. EASY! : : > : > : > : >> : : > : > : > : >> Angel : : > : > : > : >> : : > : > : > : >> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message : : > : > : > : >> news:%23gbu8CHwIHA.4376@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... : : > : > : > : >> : Hi, Angel! How ya doin'? I didn't know that about Yahoo! : : > Mail. : : > : > : > : >> : : : > : > : > : >> : -- : : > : > : > : >> : Gary S. Terhune : : > : > : > : >> : MS-MVP Shell/User : : > : > : > : >> : http://www.grystmill.com : : > : > : > : >> : : : > : > : > : >> : : : > : > : > : >> : "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message : : > : > : > : >> : news:%23IMYJiEwIHA.5096@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... : : > : > : > : >> : > Hi all, : : > : > : > : >> : > You can also use that method in the yahoo web mail. : : > : > : > : >> : > Angel : : > : > : > : >> : > : : > : > : > : >> : > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message : : > : > : > : >> : > news:OThQZYDwIHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... : : > : > : > : >> : > : If you follow proper security habits, including : setting : : > : > email : : > : > : > apps : : > : > : > : >> to : : > : > : > : >> : > only : : > : > : > : >> : > : read messages in Plain Text, you never have to worry : : > about : : > : > any : : > : > : > : >> viruses : : > : > : > : >> : > : getting in. Doesn't matter what client you use. If : you : : > get : : > : > a : : > : > : > POS : : > : > : > : >> HTML : : > : > : > : >> : > email : : > : > : > : >> : > : that can't be read in PT, and you trust the source, : : > then : : > : > you : : > : > : > can : : > : > : > : >> change : : > : > : > : >> : > to : : > : > : > : >> : > : view in HTML (in OE, anyway.) : : > : > : > : >> : > : : : > : > : > : >> : > : -- : : > : > : > : >> : > : Gary S. Terhune : : > : > : > : >> : > : MS-MVP Shell/User : : > : > : > : >> : > : http://www.grystmill.com : : > : > : > : >> : > : : : > : > : > : >> : > : <letterman@invalid.com> wrote in message : : > : > : > : >> : > : news:2ooo34t082va22nc9rv0np3cr5sf9ckjhm@4ax.com... : : > : > : > : >> : > : > I should have mentioned that Outlook Express is : very : : > poor : : > : > : > : >> software : : > : > : > : >> : > : > that will allow viruses to infect your computer. I : : > wont : : > : > even : : > : > : > : >> allow : : > : > : > : >> : > : > that POS on my computer. I deleted the entire : : > directory : : > : > many : : > : > : > : >> years : : > : > : > : >> : > : > ago. I'd highly recommend finding another email : : > software : : > : > as : : > : > : > well : : > : > : > : >> as : : > : > : > : >> : > : > another usenet software. (some do both, such as the : : > newer : : > : > : > : >> versions : : > : > : > : >> of : : > : > : > : >> : > : > Agent). : : > : > : > : >> : > : : : > : > : > : >> : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : : > : > : > : >> : : : > : > : > : >> : : > : > : > : >> : : > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : : : > : > : > : : > : > : > : : > : > : : : > : > : : > : > : : > : : : > : : > : : : :
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