Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted May 31, 2008 Posted May 31, 2008 Re: IE Running well so far Might want to make sure it's the latest version, 4.0, then install it. It's pretty straight-forward. Requires a restart. Then run the app, and in the Welcome dialog, click Next, choose Manual Updating, click Next, then click Finish. Now, click Updates on the left column, then the Check for Updates button. When the updating finishes, click on Protection Status at left and then at the bottom, under Quick Tasks, Enable All Protection. Do that every week or two. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message news:%2310SGjqwIHA.1436@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > Yes Gary, > I found it, but I never installed it. I have to figure out the > instructions. I read the text but have to read it again. > Angel > > "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message > news:eg%23zpGqwIHA.2292@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > : No Gary, I do not have SypwareBlaster installed. I don't even think I > have > : it. > : > : Angel > : > : "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > : news:Od9njRpwIHA.1436@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > : : You're fine, except you left out one very important app -- > SypwareBlaster. > : : You DO have that installed, don't you? And you keep it up to date? > : : > : : -- > : : Gary S. Terhune > : : MS-MVP Shell/User > : : http://www.grystmill.com > : : > : : "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message > : : news:%23Fraq3owIHA.3384@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > : : > Yeah Gary, she sure could use the exercise. Send them anytime. We > are > : : > beginning to call her "Fat Cat" instead of "Streaker". George says > she > : is > : : > a > : : > Bowling Ball with legs! She was fat when I got her. Right now, she > is > : : > sleeping on my old Contour chair. The chair does not adjust very > well > : : > anymore, most of the time it only has one position. It needs a new > one. > : I > : : > bought it long before I retired 16 years ago. > : : > > : : > I uninstalled the AdAware last night. So far, no problems because I > : : > uninstalled it. I still have Avast! and Spybot 1.4. I have not > updated > : the > : : > Spybot lately. I just don't know which updates to use. > : : > > : : > Angel > : : > > : : > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > : : > news:%23sy$sobwIHA.5520@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > : : > : I can send you a poodle or two to chase teh cat. Keep it busy. > : : > : > : : > : -- > : : > : Gary S. Terhune > : : > : MS-MVP Shell/User > : : > : http://www.grystmill.com > : : > : > : : > : "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message > : : > : news:uXJrWPZwIHA.524@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > : : > : > Yes, I already knew that it will take a while for the pain to > : subside. > : : > : > Even > : : > : > the pain pills don't work that well. Gary, I am prepared for a > long > : : > hall, > : : > : > but you know I do not give up or in easily. You are not > pessimistic > : : > only > : : > : > truthful. This is no picnic, if you know what I mean. > : : > : > > : : > : > My cat is on the footstool I am trying to use. She takes up most > of > : : > the > : : > : > footstool. Since I got home, she does not let me out of her > sight. > I > : : > : > finally > : : > : > got her to move off the stool. How? I picked her up and put her > off. > : : > She > : : > : > did > : : > : > not accept that. I had to do it again. She is stubborn and don't > : give > : : > up > : : > : > easily neither. > : : > : > > : : > : > Angel > : : > : > > : : > : > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > : : > : > news:eeK3b$RwIHA.1504@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > : : > : > : Sounds like you need someone who can follow instructions and > has > a > : : > good > : : > : > back > : : > : > : to get in there and help you rearrange things to your comfort. > : After > : : > : > all, > : : > : > : these pains aren't going to go away real soon (sorry to be > : : > pessimistic, > : : > : > but > : : > : > : I'd rather you got comfy ASAP.) > : : > : > : > : : > : > : As for standing on one's head while standing in one's head... > I > : used > : : > to > : : > : > do > : : > : > : that on a regular basis, <bg>. > : : > : > : > : : > : > : -- > : : > : > : Gary S. Terhune > : : > : > : MS-MVP Shell/User > : : > : > : http://www.grystmill.com > : : > : > : > : : > : > : "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message > : : > : > : news:ucwOR8RwIHA.2208@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > : : > : > : > Gary, how would that be possible! "Standing in my head"? I > never > : : > would > : : > : > try > : : > : > : > that! I don't even think I could stand ON my head not alone > IN > : my > : : > : > head!! > : : > : > : > Have you tried it? HaHaHa!! > : : > : > : > > : : > : > : > I do use a foot stool, when I can in front of the computer. > My > : cat > : : > and > : : > : > I > : : > : > : > argue over it. She decided to take it over. I also use the > arm > : of > : : > the > : : > : > : > office > : : > : > : > chair for my arm, it relieves the shoulder pain some. > : : > : > : > > : : > : > : > Angel > : : > : > : > > : : > : > : > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > : : > : > : > news:e0vC6MRwIHA.524@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > : : > : > : > : Knowing Angel the way I do, I think she should try > standing > in > : : > her > : : > : > head, > : : > : > : > : <eg>. > : : > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : -- > : : > : > : > : Gary S. Terhune > : : > : > : > : MS-MVP Shell/User > : : > : > : > : http://www.grystmill.com > : : > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message > : : > : > : > : news:483dd8cc$0$11631$607ed4bc@cv.net... > : : > : > : > : > Angel, If you just put a ottoman or stool with pillow or > : towel > : : > in > : : > : > : > front > : : > : > : > of > : : > : > : > : > you at the > : : > : > : > : > computer, it can work just as well as above the heart. > Of > : : > course, > : : > : > : > laying > : : > : > : > : > down with > : : > : > : > : > feet elevated is optimal but no one really expects you > to > do > : : > that. > : : > : > : > Sorry > : : > : > : > : > for your > : : > : > : > : > problems. Ginny R.N. > : : > : > : > : > "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message > : : > : > : > : > news:%23la3KVQwIHA.1980@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > : : > : > : > : >> Hi Gary, > : : > : > : > : >> > : : > : > : > : >> Doing pretty good. Don't stay on the computer very long > at > : a > : : > : > time. > : : > : > : > Still > : : > : > : > : >> trouble with the shoulder not cooperating. The ankle > swells > : : > up > : : > : > quite > : : > : > : > a > : : > : > : > : >> bit. > : : > : > : > : >> Supposed to keep the leg elevated above the heart to > keep > : the > : : > : > : > swelling > : : > : > : > : >> down, > : : > : > : > : >> yeah right! Should I stand on my head? > : : > : > : > : >> > : : > : > : > : >> When you go to yahoo! mail, you go to Options and > follow > : the > : : > : > : > directions > : : > : > : > : >> under Preferences and you get it in text and when you > get > : the > : : > : > mail, > : : > : > : > you > : : > : > : > : >> can > : : > : > : > : >> go to the bottom of the page and hit HTML or at the top > of > : : > the > : : > : > email > : : > : > : > and > : : > : > : > : >> hit > : : > : > : > : >> the show images. EASY! > : : > : > : > : >> > : : > : > : > : >> Angel > : : > : > : > : >> > : : > : > : > : >> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > : : > : > : > : >> news:%23gbu8CHwIHA.4376@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > : : > : > : > : >> : Hi, Angel! How ya doin'? I didn't know that about > Yahoo! > : : > Mail. > : : > : > : > : >> : > : : > : > : > : >> : -- > : : > : > : > : >> : Gary S. Terhune > : : > : > : > : >> : MS-MVP Shell/User > : : > : > : > : >> : http://www.grystmill.com > : : > : > : > : >> : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : : > : > : > : >> : "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message > : : > : > : > : >> : news:%23IMYJiEwIHA.5096@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > : : > : > : > : >> : > Hi all, > : : > : > : > : >> : > You can also use that method in the yahoo web mail. > : : > : > : > : >> : > Angel > : : > : > : > : >> : > > : : > : > : > : >> : > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > : : > : > : > : >> : > news:OThQZYDwIHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > : : > : > : > : >> : > : If you follow proper security habits, including > : setting > : : > : > email > : : > : > : > apps > : : > : > : > : >> to > : : > : > : > : >> : > only > : : > : > : > : >> : > : read messages in Plain Text, you never have to > worry > : : > about > : : > : > any > : : > : > : > : >> viruses > : : > : > : > : >> : > : getting in. Doesn't matter what client you use. > If > : you > : : > get > : : > : > a > : : > : > : > POS > : : > : > : > : >> HTML > : : > : > : > : >> : > email > : : > : > : > : >> : > : that can't be read in PT, and you trust the > source, > : : > then > : : > : > you > : : > : > : > can > : : > : > : > : >> change > : : > : > : > : >> : > to > : : > : > : > : >> : > : view in HTML (in OE, anyway.) > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : -- > : : > : > : > : >> : > : Gary S. Terhune > : : > : > : > : >> : > : MS-MVP Shell/User > : : > : > : > : >> : > : http://www.grystmill.com > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : <letterman@invalid.com> wrote in message > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > news:2ooo34t082va22nc9rv0np3cr5sf9ckjhm@4ax.com... > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > I should have mentioned that Outlook Express is > : very > : : > poor > : : > : > : > : >> software > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > that will allow viruses to infect your > computer. > I > : : > wont > : : > : > even > : : > : > : > : >> allow > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > that POS on my computer. I deleted the entire > : : > directory > : : > : > many > : : > : > : > : >> years > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > ago. I'd highly recommend finding another > email > : : > software > : : > : > as > : : > : > : > well > : : > : > : > : >> as > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > another usenet software. (some do both, such as > the > : : > newer > : : > : > : > : >> versions > : : > : > : > : >> of > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > Agent). > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > > : : > : > : > : >> : > > : : > : > : > : >> : > : : > : > : > : >> > : : > : > : > : >> > : : > : > : > : > > : : > : > : > : > > : : > : > : > : > : : > : > : > > : : > : > : > > : : > : > : > : : > : > > : : > : > > : : > : > : : > > : : > > : : > : > : > >
Guest CdLSRN Posted May 31, 2008 Posted May 31, 2008 Re: Re Maurice-: What is Quick Time Re: Re Maurice-: What is Quick Time I'm sorry. I meant to say 'Sygate' not Avast. Would you be able to help me set up Avast to block where QT is allowed to go? Maurice said: " because it DOES take more than just knowing how to point and click, and a > little bit of typing knowledge; which is only what most general usage > Windows users know how to do. That's not cutting them down or arrogance, > that's a statement of plain fact" BS. - Sounds like arrogance to me. That's not to cut you down, that's just a statement of plain fact. Ginny ----- Original Message ----- "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:eRW8bGowIHA.4876@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > Oh I'm sorry, I saw where you needed QT locally, and I can see why. > > It isn't AVAST you use, but your software firewall. That is the key feature > of a software firewall, hardware firewalls are unable to *completely* > monitor running processes. > > The version of QT you use isn't really important, AS LONG AS ITS BLOCKED > and only used locally, *or* just like for any program, IS important [use the > last supported version] IF Internet usage, but only allowed access to the > actual sites necessary/which require its use, AND you can't live without > them AND they are *clean* sites.. > > Now, there are some other programs which provide .mov and other QT > extension playback, or creation or conversion, via pluggins or other. I > can't recommend one as I stopped that usage a long time ago as I found no > real need for it. > > Your best bet, however, is to convert those irreplaceable *.mov to another > format for use in something you already have installed, that's usually > Windows Media player. > That also makes it a little bit easier to configure your firewall, as you > don't have to configure *many* applications and their access, and can keep > your firewall rules in a small, tightly configured, manner. Security is > based upon YOUR ability to control what goes on with the help of security > software, and settings, > > In example: I still use IE6 for testing purposes, but its access to port > 443 is NOT configured for general use. That port is now called by some sites > to push advertising and other scripts and code. Only sites which I know and > use have been allowed access AND I am notified when it IS used or attempted > at use either IN or OUT, I still have to manually allow it. The other > testing browsers I use {Opera, FireFox, SeaMonkey} have also been limited. > FYI: that port is supposedly only for secure/trusted use and has a higher > level of system access if allowed. > > The same is applied for all programs for which this can be done, such as > mail programs, news readers, players, etc.. THEY don't control access and > use, I DO with a little help. EVERTHING is defined and controlled as best as > possible. This isn't done by default in ANY Microsoft OS, even the new ones, > because it DOES take more than just knowing how to point and click, and a > little bit of typing knowledge; which is only what most general usage > Windows users know how to do. That's not cutting them down or arrogance, > that's a statement of plain fact > > -- > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > -- > _________ > > "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message > news:48401faf$0$25031$607ed4bc@cv.net... > | Maurice, I don't need Quick Time for the bank. When I uninstalled it, I > was able to > | do my banking just fine. I wouldn't want anything "unsafe" running with my > bank > | sessions. > | I'm guessing from the conversation that there is no replacement for Quick > Time to > | run .MOV. I am able to run .mpg videos on 'Windows Media Player'. But > when I click > | my .mov it says it needs "PLAY32.EXE". Is that all I need? Maybe I don't > need Quick > | Time. > | But if I do, are you familiar with how to set up Avast to LIMIT, via > the > | firewall, EXACTLY where QT can be used, by SITE? Ginny > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message > | news:OQwUxXiwIHA.516@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > | > No Gary, I thought you were helping setup her computer just some FYI > | > reminders. > | > You LIMIT, via the firewall, EXACTLY where QT can be used, by SITE. > Same as > | > for any troublesome application.... she needs it for the bank, then > that's > | > what it is allowed to connect with, she needs it only for local > materials, > | > then it gets no outside access... > | > As for JAVA, this box still uses Microsoft's version... guess what, that > | > LIMITS what hacks can be used... > | > > | > 98 CAN be made secure enough to use for "most" of the Internet with a > little > | > thought applied. > | > > | > As for the UTUBE generation,, well, I deal with them almost daily, they > | > aren't very impressive nor do they care much ... then again I suppose > such > | > was said about us, but the leverage is: dis ain't loud music er da tv, > dis > | > be da world and it eats da dumb fer breakfast... > | > > | > -- > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > | > -- > | > _________ > | > > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > | > news:eylFErhwIHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > | > | Why must you harp on the obvious? I, personally, would recommend not > | > running > | > | QT at all, and I don't, not even on my XP systems. But lots of people > use > | > | certain types of files that only QT will handle, or in the case at > hand, > | > | it's inexorably combined with her camera software (a very old camera > with > | > no > | > | twain driver, IIRC, though I'll learn more as time passes.) And she > has > | > | irreplaceable MOV files that are dear to her heart... > | > | > | > | So, what would YOU recommend? Leave in the old QT the way it is, or > update > | > | it and hope that uninstalling the old version is a major part of that > | > | update. > | > | > | > | And, please tell us, what is the alternative to Sun Java these days? > | > | > | > | Ginny is shopping for a new machine, XP probably, but she may be > forced to > | > | Vista, and she can't afford a Mac and she'll not want the total new > | > learning > | > | experience that Linux would entail... So what do you recommend? > | > | > | > | Again, you are complaining about security in legacy applications when > | > | they're being run on a totally insecure and obsolete system in the > first > | > | place. > | > | > | > | Oh, and FYI, I downloaded QT v. 6.5.2, since that is the last one the > | > works > | > | on 9x. > | > | > | > | Really, Maurice. What would you have us do? Pull the power cords? Live > in > | > | perpetual fear of the inevitable bugs and vulnerabilities in software > that > | > | is racing to keep up with the demands of the YouTube generation? > | > | > | > | -- > | > | Gary S. Terhune > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User > | > | http://www.grystmill.com > | > | > | > | > | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message > | > | news:%232u%23DzgwIHA.1436@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > | > | > SEE APPLE QuickTime US CERT warnings/alert I posted in this group on > | > | > 04/04/2008 [see suggestion and, responses provided alternatives or > | > | > recommendations], also see older QT warnings this group and > elsewhere.. > | > | > > | > | > REFERENCE > | > | > National Cyber Alert System > | > | > Technical Cyber Security Alert TA08-094A > | > | > Apple Updates for Multiple Vulnerabilities > | > | > Original release date: April 3, 2008 > | > | > > | > | > SEE ALSO: > | > | > "One of the fastest growing threats - the web site you visit" - MEB > | > | > 05/01/2008 - this group, ignore the more ignorant responses > [consider > | > with > | > | > the Flash vulnerabilities FINALLY addressed, though its still > | > vulnerable]. > | > | > AND: > | > | > SUN JAVA Technical Cyber Security Alert TA08-066A - posted here > | > 03-07-2008 > | > | > if you intend to use SUN. > | > | > , > | > | > > | > | > -- > | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > | > | > -- > | > | > _________ > | > | > > | > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > | > | > news:uib%23sCWwIHA.3780@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > | > | > | Decided to run the latest installer I have to see if it tells you > up > | > | > front > | > | > | what version... There it was in huge letters. 6.5.1. And it was > | > released > | > | > | prior to December '04, not '05. Another of my many brain farts > today. > | > | > What > | > | > | IS strange is that I have no versions prior to that in the places > I'd > | > | > expect > | > | > | to find them. I'm a true packrat when it comes to that kind of > stuff. > | > | > Gotta > | > | > | be earlier versions here, somewhere. Ahh, here we go. Versions 4 & > | > 5... > | > | > All > | > | > | I'm missing is 3 and I just didn't feel like waiting for Search to > | > | > complete > | > | > | inspection of my vast ZIPped archives, my backups of backups, etc. > | > | > | > | > | > | -- > | > | > | Gary S. Terhune > | > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User > | > | > | http://www.grystmill.com > | > | > | > | > | > | "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message > | > | > | news:u0r7OqVwIHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > | > | > | >I do know that QT version 5 at least works on Win98SE. I > stopped > | > | > there, > | > | > | >as I started getting tired of the bloat (as is so often the case) > | > with > | > | > the > | > | > | >newer versions. > | > | > | > > | > | > | > Gary S. Terhune wrote: > | > | > | >> Leave it for now. I'll have you a full answer tomorrow if I > can. > | > What > | > | > | >> you've > | > | > | >> probably got is the same ancient, dangerous, version that MEB > was > | > | > | >> complaining about. We need to find the latest version that will > | > still > | > | > run > | > | > | >> on > | > | > | >> 9x. I'm may have it, but I'm in the middle of rebuilding my 98 > box > | > so > | > | > I > | > | > | >> can't test and make sure, know how to instruct you in its > | > | > installation, > | > | > | >> etc. > | > | > | >> > | > | > | >> (Actually, I coulda sworn I found v.6 on the QT site and that > it > | > | > works > | > | > | >> with > | > | > | >> Win98, but I guess I'll have to go through my History to find > it. > | > | > | >> Assuming I > | > | > | >> don't already have it. Latest version I could find quickly was > one > | > I > | > | > | >> downloaded in late '05.) > | > | > | >> > | > | > | >> -- > | > | > | >> Gary S. Terhune > | > | > | >> MS-MVP Shell/User > | > | > | >> http://www.grystmill.com > | > | > | >> > | > | > | >> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message > | > | > | >> news:483e4acf$0$25060$607ed4bc@cv.net... > | > | > | >>> I googled one of the missing Quick Time files QT32INST.EXE > | > | > downloaded > | > | > it > | > | > | >>> and ran it > | > | > | >>> and it repaired Quick Time. It even installed the QTW32DEL.EXE > | > that > | > | > was > | > | > | >>> missing. Now > | > | > | >>> I have both of the Quick Time logos QT & QT32 in my add/remove > | > | > programs > | > | > | >>> and in > | > | > | >>> Control Panel. I don't believe the QT one works but my movies > are > | > | > | >>> playing > | > | > | >>> well, > | > | > | >>> automatically with the Quick Time 32. So I am leaving it alone > as > | > I > | > | > am > | > | > | >>> sure there are > | > | > | >>> shared files. Unless anyone has any ideas as to how to get rid > of > | > it > | > | > | >>> without hurting > | > | > | >>> Quick Time 32. > | > | > | >>> > | > | > | >>> > | > | > | >>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > | > | > | >>> news:uPfCyEUwIHA.548@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > | > | > | >>>> I need YOU to be more patient. And to stop posting wherever > you > | > | > feel > | > | > | >>>> like > | > | > | >>>> it. I know this is a long and multi-threaded issue, but it's > your > | > | > | >>>> responsibility to find the proper thread and post to respond > to. > | > If > | > | > you > | > | > | >>>> think it's missing, then at least go back to the top of this > | > thread > | > | > | >>>> ("IE > | > | > | >>>> works so far", not "What is Quick Time") to post your "I'm > lost" > | > | > post. > | > | > | >>>> While > | > | > | >>>> this was intended to be a wrap-up thread for the original > issue, > | > | > you're > | > | > | >>>> now > | > | > | >>>> tacking new issues onto it, like this whole Sygate/QT thread. > No > | > | > need > | > | > | >>>> to > | > | > | >>>> further muck up the works by adding more to this sub-thread. > | > | > | >>>> > | > | > | >>>> So be patient, I have had to answer lots of posts today and > some > | > in > | > | > | >>>> depth, > | > | > | >>>> and I've done a lot of research on your part and on the part > of > | > | > others. > | > | > | >>>> I > | > | > | >>>> also had to rebuild my 98 machine, eat, etc., etc. And > because > | > you > | > | > | >>>> posted > | > | > | >>>> these MSXML questions here instead of where they belong, *I* > have > | > | > to > | > | > go > | > | > | >>>> searching for wherever in this mess the posts regarding MSXML > | > | > update, > | > | > | >>>> etc., > | > | > | >>>> is located. I'll post/repost there and answer your > question(s) > | > | > there. > | > | > | >>>> > | > | > | >>>> -- > | > | > | >>>> Gary S. Terhune > | > | > | >>>> MS-MVP Shell/User > | > | > | >>>> http://www.grystmill.com > | > | > | >>>> > | > | > | >>>> > | > | > | >>>> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message > | > | > | >>>> news:483e2660$0$25036$607ed4bc@cv.net... > | > | > | >>>>> I need you to read my most recent postings. > | > | > | >>>>> !. I am confused about the MSXML4sp2 updated and what to > delete. > | > I > | > | > | >>>>> need > | > | > | >>>>> it > | > | > | >>>>> explained more clearly, please. > | > | > | >>>>> 2. Quick Time doesn't have an uninstaller. When I hit > add/remove > | > | > | >>>>> programs > | > | > | >>>>> it > | > | > | >>>>> said it was uninstalling my Camedia (the program I attach my > | > | > digital > | > | > | >>>>> camera > | > | > | >>>>> to the computer...that was o.k. > | > | > | >>>>> But, there is nothing that says uninstall quick Time, It > only > | > | > gives > | > | > | >>>>> the > | > | > | >>>>> option to remove extensions. (in add/remove programs) and it > | > says > | > | > that > | > | > | >>>>> I > | > | > | >>>>> shouldn't do that. > | > | > | >>>>> In Internet Options when I click it. It tells me that I > should > | > | > | >>>>> uninstall > | > | > | >>>>> and > | > | > | >>>>> install again as I am missing 2 exe files. > | > | > | >>>>> If I put the CD in the drive....will that give me an option > to > | > | > | >>>>> uninstall? > | > | > | >>>>> > | > | > | >>>>> > | > | > | >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > | > | > | >>>>> From: "Gary S. Terhune" <none> > | > | > | >>>>> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion > | > | > | >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 11:21 PM > | > | > | >>>>> Subject: Re: IE Running well so far > | > | > | >>>>> > | > | > | >>>>> > | > | > | >>>>>> Then you DO have that very old version MEB was talking > about. > | > You > | > | > | >>>>>> should > | > | > | >>>>>> uninstall it, then hope your banking site doesn't require > it. > | > | > Might > | > | > | >>>>>> just > | > | > | >>>>>> look different but still work. (I thought I had a link to > the > | > | > last > | > | > | >>>>>> version > | > | > | >>>>>> that worked with Win98, but I'll have to look deeper.) > | > | > | >>>>>> > | > | > | >>>>>> -- > | > | > | >>>>>> Gary S. Terhune > | > | > | >>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User > | > | > | >>>>>> http://www.grystmill.com > | > | > | >>>>>> > | > | > | >>>>>> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message > | > | > | >>>>>> news:483e04fb$0$15193$607ed4bc@cv.net... > | > | > | >>>>>>> Sorry, Gary I got side tracked trying to get online again. > I > | > | > will > | > | > | >>>>>>> uninstall that > | > | > | >>>>>>> update(4.0sdk). > | > | > | >>>>>>> The 2 Q Times are in Internet Options- Control Panel. Q > time > | > | > says > | > | > if > | > | > | >>>>>>> I > | > | > | >>>>>>> uninstall it I > | > | > | >>>>>>> will uninstall the program it came with. I haven't the > | > slightest > | > | > | >>>>>>> idea > | > | > | >>>>> what > | > | > | >>>>>>> it came > | > | > | >>>>>>> with . It is not in any of my Programs under Start. > Further > | > | > | >>>>>>> investigation > | > | > | >>>>>>> shows that > | > | > | >>>>>>> the version is 2.1.2.59 (Quick Time for Windows) It says > it is > | > | > for > | > | > | >>>>>>> Window 95 and is missing QT32INST.EXE AND > | > QTW32EEL.EXE....which > | > | > is > | > | > | >>>>>>> why > | > | > | >>>>>>> I > | > | > | >>>>>>> can't open > | > | > | >>>>>>> it. It says I should uninstall and reinstall but I don't > know > | > | > what > | > | > | >>>>>>> CD > | > | > | >>>>> it > | > | > | >>>>>>> would be on > | > | > | >>>>>>> to re-install. > | > | > | >>>>>>> > | > | > | >>>>>>> I will uninstall the 4.0sp1 now, after I make sure I can > get > | > | > online. > | > | > | >>>>>>> Gin > | > | > | >>>>>>> > | > | > | >>>>>>> > | > | > | >>>>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > | > | > | >>>>>>> news:u44BNBOwIHA.4916@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > | > | > | >>>>>>>> You still have MSXML 4.0 SP1. Here's some updates you > might > | > | > want > | > | > to > | > | > | >>>>>>>> consider: > | > | > | >>>>>>>> First, uninstall that Update we installed that includes > the > | > | > SDK. > | > | > If > | > | > | >>>>>>>> you're > | > | > | >>>>>>>> not sure which one, write down any entry that includes > MSXML > | > | > and > | > | > | >>>>>>>> post > | > | > | >>>>> it > | > | > | >>>>>>>> here. After uninstalling that, then get: > | > | > | >>>>>>>> > | > | > | >>>>>>>> MSXML 4.0 Service Pack 2 http://tinyurl.com/59qer > | > | > | >>>>>>>> > | > | > | >>>>>>>> then this patch: > | > | > | >>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/y6a2sl > | > | > | >>>>>>>> > | > | > | >>>>>>>> -- > | > | > | >>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune > | > | > | >>>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User > | > | > | >>>>>>>> http://www.grystmill.com > | > | > | >>>>>>>> > | > | > | >>>>>>>> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message > | > | > | >>>>>>>> news:483cf7f0$0$15192$607ed4bc@cv.net... > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> All three are version 4.10.9404.0 and they were all > created > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> 2/4/02. > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> msxml4.dll is 80.5 KB, msxml4r.dll is 1.17 MB, > msxml4a.dll > | > is > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> 43.5 > | > | > | >>>>> KB. > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > | > | > | >>>>> > | > | > | >>>>> > | > | > | >>>>> > | > | > | >>>>> > | > | > | >>>>> > | > | > | >>>>> > | > | > | >>>>> > | > | > | >>>>> > | > | > | >>>>> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message > | > | > | >>>>> news:483e234b$0$25024$607ed4bc@cv.net... > | > | > | >>>>>> One of my posts has 'gone missing' and I'm sitting here > unclear > | > | > about > | > | > | >>>>>> how > | > | > | >>>>>> to do > | > | > | >>>>> this > | > | > | >>>>>> service patch . I downloaded msxml4-KB927978-enu.exe (file > | > | > version > | > | > | >>>>>> 1)....., (I > | > | > | >>>>> typed > | > | > | >>>>>> in tinyurl.com/y6a2sl and it redirected me to this MSXML > 4.0 > | > | > Service > | > | > | >>>>>> Pack2 > | > | > | >>>>>> (Microsoft XML Core Services) - I think that is what I > | > | > downloaded. > | > | > Is > | > | > | >>>>>> that the > | > | > | >>>>> first > | > | > | >>>>>> one or the second one?? > | > | > | >>>>>> Also....What am I supposed to post here and uninstall from > my > | > | > | >>>>>> system??? > | > | > | >>>>>> I am > | > | > | >>>>>> confused. Thanks. Gin > | > | > | >>>>>> > | > | > | >>>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > | > | > | >>>>>> news:eVflMSTwIHA.4952@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > | > | > | >>>>>>> Sygate uses a database that started out blank. > *Everything* > | > you > | > | > do > | > | > | >>>>>>> for > | > | > | >>>>>>> a > | > | > | >>>>>>> while will be a "change" to Sygate. If it's a program you > | > | > recognize, > | > | > | >>>>>>> then, > | > | > | >>>>>>> short of doing a lot more research, you have no choice but > to > | > | > trust > | > | > | >>>>>>> that > | > | > | >>>>>>> it's not a malware DLL in disguise, and approve the update > to > | > | > | >>>>>>> Sygate's > | > | > | >>>>>>> database. Once you've finished training it, then when it > says > | > | > | >>>>>>> "change" > | > | > | >>>>>>> it > | > | > | >>>>>>> will almost always actually mean "change". Then you are > | > expected > | > | > to > | > | > | >>>>>>> be > | > | > | >>>>>>> able > | > | > | >>>>>>> to remember recent changes to your system and update > Sygate > | > | > | >>>>>>> appropriately. > | > | > | >>>>>>> > | > | > | >>>>>>> If it's a question you have about the program that is > being > | > | > cited, > | > | > | >>>>>>> like > | > | > | >>>>>>> you > | > | > | >>>>>>> did with QT, then you do as you did: ask about it, do some > | > | > research. > | > | > | >>>>>>> But try > | > | > | >>>>>>> to refrain from acting on our advice, or even stuff you > read > | > | > | >>>>>>> elsewhere > | > | > | >>>>>>> using > | > | > | >>>>>>> Google, etc., too quickly, not even mine, in case there's > an > | > | > | >>>>>>> important > | > | > | >>>>>>> (or > | > | > | >>>>>>> even minor) correction, contradiction or addendum to that > | > advice > | > | > in > | > | > | >>>>>>> the > | > | > | >>>>>>> near > | > | > | >>>>>>> future. > | > | > | >>>>>>> > | > | > | >>>>>>> In this case, besides just what QT stands for, you should > have > | > | > | >>>>>>> learned > | > | > | >>>>>>> enough in this thread to ask yourself, "Just how old IS > that > | > | > | >>>>>>> QuickTime > | > | > | >>>>>>> of > | > | > | >>>>>>> mine, anyway?" and "Maybe I should uninstall it and then > | > install > | > | > the > | > | > | >>>>>>> latest > | > | > | >>>>>>> version if I find I need it later." So, in a way, Sygate > is > | > | > teaching > | > | > | >>>>>>> you, > | > | > | >>>>>>> too. > | > | > | >>>>>>> > | > | > | >>>>>>> -- > | > | > | >>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune > | > | > | >>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User > | > | > | >>>>>>> http://www.grystmill.com > | > | > | >>>>>>> > | > | > | >>>>>>> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message > | > | > | >>>>>>> news:483df8c8$0$25052$607ed4bc@cv.net... > | > | > | >>>>>>>> I don't mind training something. I simply don;t know if > it is > | > | > o.k. > | > | > | >>>>>>>> to > | > | > | >>>>>>>> allow > | > | > | >>>>>>>> every > | > | > | >>>>>>>> program to add new .dlls to my Internet Explorer and > Outlook > | > | > | >>>>>>>> Express. If > | > | > | >>>>>>>> it is > | > | > | >>>>>>>> harmless, I will simply say yes. and go about my > business. > | > But > | > | > it > | > | > | >>>>>>>> seems to > | > | > | >>>>>>>> me we > | > | > | >>>>>>>> spent an awful lot of time getting rid of .dlls that > didn't > | > | > belong > | > | > | >>>>>>>> and > | > | > | >>>>>>>> putting in > | > | > | >>>>>>>> .dlls that had disappeared. My question was simple. Do I > | > allow > | > | > my > | > | > | >>>>>>>> Internet > | > | > | >>>>>>>> Explorer > | > | > | >>>>>>>> and Outlook Express to be changed by my programs. > | > | > | >>>>>>>> It doesn't say that Sygate is changing anything. It is > Sygate > | > | > | >>>>>>>> reporting to > | > | > | >>>>>>>> me that > | > | > | >>>>>>>> these programs are changing my IE & OE. I assumed that > before > | > | > | >>>>>>>> Sygate, > | > | > | >>>>>>>> my > | > | > | >>>>>>>> programs > | > | > | >>>>>>>> were doing this but I just didn't know. Am I making any > | > sense? > | > | > | >>>>>>>> > | > | > | >>>>>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > | > | > | >>>>>>>> news:%239wnV0RwIHA.2360@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> My guess is that the page you went to includes items > that > | > are > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> viewed > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> using a > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> QT plugin. What you describe (QT and QT32) sound like > | > plugins > | > | > and > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> they > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> are > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> just different versions of the same thing (16-bit and > | > 32-bit), > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> installed > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> by > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> the same installer. Where are these things listed in > | > Internet > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> Options? On > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> what tab, under what button? (Sorry, I can't check > against > | > my > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> system > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> as I > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> am > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> in the process of rebuilding it.) Anyway, if it bugs > you, > | > just > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> uninstall > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> QT > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> in Add/Remove Programs and see what happens. You can > always > | > go > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> back > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> and > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> reinstall it if you discover you need it. > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> But your biggest problem is that you can't stand having > to > | > | > train > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> that > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> firewall. If you aren't willing to go through that > process, > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> uninstall it > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> and > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> either use something else or nothing at all. You already > | > have > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> pretty > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> decent > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> protection against intrusion. Believe me, that firewall > | > isn't > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> done > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> bugging > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> you, not by a LONG shot. > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> -- > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> http://www.grystmill.com > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> news:483de66d$0$11610$607ed4bc@cv.net... > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> I have Quick Time and Quick Time32 in my Internet > Options. > | > I > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> have > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> Quick > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> Time in > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> Add/Remove programs. I went to Chase to transfer some > money > | > | > to > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> my > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> son > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> and > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> another > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> popup occurred saying: "Quick Time has install the > | > following > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> (long > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> list) > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> of > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> components to your system, do you want them to access > the > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> internet." > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> Why > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> would I want > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> them to access the internet and change my Internet > Explorer > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> while > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> I am > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> trying to do > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> banking??? When I said 'no' , I was unable to continue. > I > | > | > would > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> like to > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> uninstall > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> both of them. (I only have uninstall for QT) and I > don't > | > know > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> what > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> QT32 > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> is!!! A > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> little hint please. I am going to try again to get into > my > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> bank. > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> Ginny > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> news:utbNAQRwIHA.4772@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> Don't be. It's not your fault MEB got up on the wrong > side > | > | > of > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> the > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> bed > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> this > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> morning and/or is otherwise distracted, or so it > seems. > | > | > Though > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> I > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> must > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> say > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> it's interesting to see his true colors when it comes > to > | > his > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> feelings > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> about > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> XP. > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> -- > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.grystmill.com > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> news:483dd8cc$1$11631$607ed4bc@cv.net... > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry I asked!!! Ginny > | > | > | > > | > | > | > > | > | > | > | > | > > | > | > > | > | > | > > | > > | > | > | > >
Guest MEB Posted May 31, 2008 Posted May 31, 2008 Re: What is Quick Time Re: What is Quick Time And that's EXACTLY how one would expect you to respond.... -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com -- _________ "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message news:%23r4dSTpwIHA.4376@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... | Thought so, <eg>. | | -- | Gary S. Terhune | MS-MVP Shell/User | http://www.grystmill.com | | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | news:u4ycUfjwIHA.5620@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... | > OOOHHH, I missed this one, you put the sig at the top... | > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | > news:OcWlexTwIHA.548@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... | > | | > | | > | | > | -- | > | Gary S. Terhune | > | MS-MVP Shell/User | > | http://www.grystmill.com | > | | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | > | news:uorQnxSwIHA.548@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... | > | > Ah ,YOU brought capitalism as an issue, I see NO WHERE in my posts | > that | > | > indicates that. | > | | > | Capitalism = Real World. A place where you, apparently, don't wish to | > | reside. | > | > CAPITALISM = with its waste, consumerism, profit margins and market calls, | > investments in junk businesses and manufacturers, lack of concern for | > people, lack of concern for environment, fosters its ME/MINE attitude, | > resource Wars, depletion of the ozone, destruction of the ice caps, | > elimination of wildlife and sea creatures, world wealth in the hands of | > the | > select few, limited and DIRECTED education of children, and all this other | > lovely stuff going on,,, the thing that will destroy this planet,, oh | > wait, | > that's pretty much been accomplished. It IS useful for America, it has | > kept | > this bankrupt nation alive [declared essential bankrupcy seven times since | > the depression], of course the money is useless and only backed by foreign | > nations but who cares about whether that CREDIT is ever paid back, not | > Capitalists...... worry about future generations, why, there's no profit | > in | > it, and WHO CARES we certainly aren't going to be there, that's their | > problem.... | > | > So yeah, let's drill ALL the oil out NOW and use it,,, let's spend the | > next | > thirty years trying to figure out what to do, after all, its only been a | > few | > thousand years already, let's let the people pay for coal technological | > usage improvements FOR the producers, let's strip the sea of life and fill | > it in with human waste and garbage, let's finish this with a bang,, yep | > that's it,,, let's just get rid of all those things in our way.... | > | > We don't need animals, fish , vegetables, or any of that junk, we can eat | > ourselves, like in "Soylent Green".... use War to decrease the population | > like "1984", oh YEAH let's bask in our glory.... hey sounds like the plan, | > whatyatink... | > | > | | > | > WHY would I post that in this group??? | > | > I spent more than a month in this group attempting to discuss and | > explain | > | > the XP hard drive issues with 9X,,, had many of the posters put | > material | > | > into the discussion which they had no idea of, *discredit [or rather | > | > attempt | > | > to do so] ACTAUL functions IN XP*, and the final outcome came to "NOT" | > | > checking Smart statistics because the drive APPEARED to be clean... | > who | > | > cares if its not realistic, who cares if anything had been | > re-allocated, | > | > who | > | > cares.... | > | | > | Why would you discuss XP issues in THIS group in any detail? And since | > when | > | > It was a discussion concerning 98 usage after and on drives with XP. Seems | > that made it pretty appropriate for a 98 group. It did get a number of XP | > users to pop in, and increased re-population [other mirrors], and | > viewers/participants here. The added benefit, it exposed some of XP. AND | > changed a few attitudes concerning what to do with these types of disks, | > how | > to wipe drives, what programs are worthless to use, and several other | > useful | > items...... | > | > | DON'T long threads of that nature get filled with stupid contributions? | > And | > | who DOES care, anyway? | > | | > | > Now if you can explain to me why I would do this again, post it... | > | > | > | > As for daily use: that's funny, not only daily use, but FAR more.... | > | > There is no bias on my part, but there certainly is on yours, I HAVE | > run | > | > other non-Microsoft OSs.... and did the same thing in those OSs, | > testing, | > | > defining, clarifying,,, and using. Guess what, I intend to do it | > again... | > | | > | Have fun. | > | | > | > Are we done yet? | > | | > | Don't know, yet. | > | | > | -- | > | Gary S. Terhune | > | MS-MVP Shell/User | > | http://www.grystmill.com | > | > Apparently we aren't.... | > | > | | > | | > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | > | > news:uMZL4JQwIHA.420@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... | > | > | I didn't say testing and monitoring wouldn't tell you a lot, but if | > you | > | > | haven't actually used it day in and day out, doing all the things | > that | > | > | people do with their desktop PCs, you have nothing but nerdy, yes. | > | > | | > | > | So what's your results. In particular, discuss the comparative | > features | > | > and | > | > | why you seem to think that all the extra functionality in XP is | > plain | > | > | worthless, or could just as easily be done in 9x. Synopsize and hit | > the | > | > high | > | > | points, please. I'm not up to reams of data. | > | > | | > | > | I gotta tell you, your bias is showing all over the place, and I | > ALWAYS | > | > | remember that statistics can be easily misconstrued and/or made to | > lie. | > | > | | > | > | And if your real gripe is capitalism in general, then let's leave | > off | > | > this | > | > | discussion, OK? | > | > | | > | > | -- | > | > | Gary S. Terhune | > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User | > | > | http://www.grystmill.com | > | > | | > | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | > | > | news:evO68%23OwIHA.5096@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... | > | > | > That's usage monitoring. file monitoring, network monitoring, | > Internet | > | > | > monitoring, disk monitoring, service monitoring, device | > monitoring, | > | > | > etc.,,, | > | > | > ah, that's far beyond simple usage. Seems that would give me a bit | > | > more | > | > | > knowledge,, but then that would be relative and nerdy wouldn't | > it.. | > | > | > | > | > | > -- | > | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | > | > | > -- | > | > | > _________ | > | > | > | > | > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | > | > | > news:Oyaln3OwIHA.516@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... | > | > | > | Testing and monitoring... But not really using? ROTFLMAO!!! That | > | > leaves | > | > | > you | > | > | > | well prepared for nothing more than just so much nerdy babble. | > | > | > | | > | > | > | -- | > | > | > | Gary S. Terhune | > | > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User | > | > | > | http://www.grystmill.com | > | > | > | | > | > | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | > | > | > | news:%23l7eJaOwIHA.1240@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... | > | > | > | > QT can be used locally, or one can find codex to handle that | > | > format | > | > in | > | > | > | > some | > | > | > | > other player which IS being supported. | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > Right, you DO say that constantly, and you also attempt to | > foster | > | > the | > | > | > | > notion that XP has become the world's favorite because its | > just | > so | > | > | > good | > | > | > | > and | > | > | > | > secure, BS, the reason for increased usage is that it is | > difficult | > | > to | > | > | > find | > | > | > | > computer's to support 9X, leaving the only viable Windows | > choice | > | > as | > | > | > XP, | > | > | > | > and | > | > | > | > VISTA is still such a PITA. Try not to buy into the garbage | > spewed | > | > by | > | > | > | > media | > | > | > | > and others... OR if you wish, we CAN discuss the POS XP which | > I | > | > DID | > | > | > spend | > | > | > | > considerable time testing and monitoring... how good its,,, | > look | > | > HERE: | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/946480/en-us | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > Think everything is fixed,,, guess again... | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > -- | > | > | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | > | > | > | > -- | > | > | > | > _________ | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | > | > | > | > news:uKoNOPOwIHA.3760@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... | > | > | > | > | I already told you, that machine has had EVERYTHING | > installed | > on | > | > it | > | > | > at | > | > | > | > one | > | > | > | > | time or another, and been through several ISPs and their | > | > | > | > branding/helpful | > | > | > | > | software, etc. | > | > | > | > | | > | > | > | > | But what should she do if she needs QT to play something? | > After | > | > all, | > | > | > | > | > | > | > what | > | > | > | > | you say about QT on Windows 98 could be said about Win98 | > itself. | > | > In | > | > | > | > fact, | > | > | > | > I | > | > | > | > | say it fairly regularly in places where people might | > actually | > | > | > listen. | > | > | > | > | | > | > | > | > | -- | > | > | > | > | Gary S. Terhune | > | > | > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User | > | > | > | > | http://www.grystmill.com | > | > | > | > | | > | > | > | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | > | > | > | > | news:uzyZhGOwIHA.1504@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... | > | > | > | > | > Apple's QuickTime for 98 has not been supported for some | > time. | > | > It | > | > | > is | > | > | > a | > | > | > | > | > security risk, and is severely outdated. | > | > | > | > | > Unless you have some special need to use it online, do not | > | > allow | > | > | > it | > | > | > | > access | > | > | > | > | > to the Internet. | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > Are you using AOL or some other ISP which installed this | > for | > | > you? | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > -- | > | > | > | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | > | > | > | > | > -- | > | > | > | > | > _________ | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > "Tim Slattery" <Slattery_T@bls.gov> wrote in message | > | > | > | > | > news:fa1r3490ic78jqm9d8p4mkkvf84r0rcg82@4ax.com... | > | > | > | > | > | "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote: | > | > | > | > | > | | > | > | > | > | > | >Could someone please tell me what Quick Time is? Sygate | > | > says | > | > it | > | > | > was | > | > | > | > | > critical that I | > | > | > | > | > | >had approved a whole bunch of new dlls for Quick Time, | > and | > | > I | > | > | > don't | > | > | > | > even | > | > | > | > | > remember what | > | > | > | > | > | >it is. Ginny | > | > | > | > | > | | > | > | > | > | > | QuickTime is Apple's video player. It plays *.mov and | > *.mp4 | > | > | > files, | > | > | > | > | > | which Windows Media Player will not. Installing it will | > also | > | > get | > | > | > you | > | > | > | > | > | endless nags from Apple to upgrade it and iTunes | > (whether | > | > you | > | > | > have | > | > | > | > | > | iTunes or not). | > | > | > | > | > | | > | > | > | > | > | -- | > | > | > | > | > | Tim Slattery | > | > | > | > | > | MS MVP(Shell/User) | > | > | > | > | > | Slattery_T@bls.gov | > | > | > | > | > | http://members.cox.net/slatteryt | > | > | > | > | > | > -- | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | > -- | > _________ | > | > | > | > |
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted May 31, 2008 Posted May 31, 2008 Re: What is Quick Time Re: What is Quick Time Yeah, well I knew that was exactly the way you'd eventually respond, so we're even. Dreamer. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:uBHGSurwIHA.3968@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > And that's EXACTLY how one would expect you to respond.... > > -- > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > -- > _________ > > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > news:%23r4dSTpwIHA.4376@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > | Thought so, <eg>. > | > | -- > | Gary S. Terhune > | MS-MVP Shell/User > | http://www.grystmill.com > | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message > | news:u4ycUfjwIHA.5620@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > | > OOOHHH, I missed this one, you put the sig at the top... > | > > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > | > news:OcWlexTwIHA.548@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | -- > | > | Gary S. Terhune > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User > | > | http://www.grystmill.com > | > | > | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message > | > | news:uorQnxSwIHA.548@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > | > | > Ah ,YOU brought capitalism as an issue, I see NO WHERE in my posts > | > that > | > | > indicates that. > | > | > | > | Capitalism = Real World. A place where you, apparently, don't wish > to > | > | reside. > | > > | > CAPITALISM = with its waste, consumerism, profit margins and market > calls, > | > investments in junk businesses and manufacturers, lack of concern for > | > people, lack of concern for environment, fosters its ME/MINE attitude, > | > resource Wars, depletion of the ozone, destruction of the ice caps, > | > elimination of wildlife and sea creatures, world wealth in the hands > of > | > the > | > select few, limited and DIRECTED education of children, and all this > other > | > lovely stuff going on,,, the thing that will destroy this planet,, oh > | > wait, > | > that's pretty much been accomplished. It IS useful for America, it has > | > kept > | > this bankrupt nation alive [declared essential bankrupcy seven times > since > | > the depression], of course the money is useless and only backed by > foreign > | > nations but who cares about whether that CREDIT is ever paid back, not > | > Capitalists...... worry about future generations, why, there's no > profit > | > in > | > it, and WHO CARES we certainly aren't going to be there, that's their > | > problem.... > | > > | > So yeah, let's drill ALL the oil out NOW and use it,,, let's spend the > | > next > | > thirty years trying to figure out what to do, after all, its only been > a > | > few > | > thousand years already, let's let the people pay for coal > technological > | > usage improvements FOR the producers, let's strip the sea of life and > fill > | > it in with human waste and garbage, let's finish this with a bang,, > yep > | > that's it,,, let's just get rid of all those things in our way.... > | > > | > We don't need animals, fish , vegetables, or any of that junk, we can > eat > | > ourselves, like in "Soylent Green".... use War to decrease the > population > | > like "1984", oh YEAH let's bask in our glory.... hey sounds like the > plan, > | > whatyatink... > | > > | > | > | > | > WHY would I post that in this group??? > | > | > I spent more than a month in this group attempting to discuss and > | > explain > | > | > the XP hard drive issues with 9X,,, had many of the posters put > | > material > | > | > into the discussion which they had no idea of, *discredit [or > rather > | > | > attempt > | > | > to do so] ACTAUL functions IN XP*, and the final outcome came to > "NOT" > | > | > checking Smart statistics because the drive APPEARED to be > clean... > | > who > | > | > cares if its not realistic, who cares if anything had been > | > re-allocated, > | > | > who > | > | > cares.... > | > | > | > | Why would you discuss XP issues in THIS group in any detail? And > since > | > when > | > > | > It was a discussion concerning 98 usage after and on drives with XP. > Seems > | > that made it pretty appropriate for a 98 group. It did get a number of > XP > | > users to pop in, and increased re-population [other mirrors], and > | > viewers/participants here. The added benefit, it exposed some of XP. > AND > | > changed a few attitudes concerning what to do with these types of > disks, > | > how > | > to wipe drives, what programs are worthless to use, and several other > | > useful > | > items...... > | > > | > | DON'T long threads of that nature get filled with stupid > contributions? > | > And > | > | who DOES care, anyway? > | > | > | > | > Now if you can explain to me why I would do this again, post it... > | > | > > | > | > As for daily use: that's funny, not only daily use, but FAR > more.... > | > | > There is no bias on my part, but there certainly is on yours, I > HAVE > | > run > | > | > other non-Microsoft OSs.... and did the same thing in those OSs, > | > testing, > | > | > defining, clarifying,,, and using. Guess what, I intend to do it > | > again... > | > | > | > | Have fun. > | > | > | > | > Are we done yet? > | > | > | > | Don't know, yet. > | > | > | > | -- > | > | Gary S. Terhune > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User > | > | http://www.grystmill.com > | > > | > Apparently we aren't.... > | > > | > | > | > | > | > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > | > | > news:uMZL4JQwIHA.420@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > | > | > | I didn't say testing and monitoring wouldn't tell you a lot, but > if > | > you > | > | > | haven't actually used it day in and day out, doing all the > things > | > that > | > | > | people do with their desktop PCs, you have nothing but nerdy, > yes. > | > | > | > | > | > | So what's your results. In particular, discuss the comparative > | > features > | > | > and > | > | > | why you seem to think that all the extra functionality in XP is > | > plain > | > | > | worthless, or could just as easily be done in 9x. Synopsize and > hit > | > the > | > | > high > | > | > | points, please. I'm not up to reams of data. > | > | > | > | > | > | I gotta tell you, your bias is showing all over the place, and I > | > ALWAYS > | > | > | remember that statistics can be easily misconstrued and/or made > to > | > lie. > | > | > | > | > | > | And if your real gripe is capitalism in general, then let's > leave > | > off > | > | > this > | > | > | discussion, OK? > | > | > | > | > | > | -- > | > | > | Gary S. Terhune > | > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User > | > | > | http://www.grystmill.com > | > | > | > | > | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message > | > | > | news:evO68%23OwIHA.5096@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > | > | > | > That's usage monitoring. file monitoring, network monitoring, > | > Internet > | > | > | > monitoring, disk monitoring, service monitoring, device > | > monitoring, > | > | > | > etc.,,, > | > | > | > ah, that's far beyond simple usage. Seems that would give me a > bit > | > | > more > | > | > | > knowledge,, but then that would be relative and nerdy wouldn't > | > it.. > | > | > | > > | > | > | > -- > | > | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > | > | > | > -- > | > | > | > _________ > | > | > | > > | > | > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > | > | > | > news:Oyaln3OwIHA.516@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > | > | > | > | Testing and monitoring... But not really using? ROTFLMAO!!! > That > | > | > leaves > | > | > | > you > | > | > | > | well prepared for nothing more than just so much nerdy > babble. > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | -- > | > | > | > | Gary S. Terhune > | > | > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User > | > | > | > | http://www.grystmill.com > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message > | > | > | > | news:%23l7eJaOwIHA.1240@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > | > | > | > | > QT can be used locally, or one can find codex to handle > that > | > | > format > | > | > in > | > | > | > | > some > | > | > | > | > other player which IS being supported. > | > | > | > | > > | > | > | > | > Right, you DO say that constantly, and you also attempt to > | > foster > | > | > the > | > | > | > | > notion that XP has become the world's favorite because its > | > just > | > so > | > | > | > good > | > | > | > | > and > | > | > | > | > secure, BS, the reason for increased usage is that it is > | > difficult > | > | > to > | > | > | > find > | > | > | > | > computer's to support 9X, leaving the only viable Windows > | > choice > | > | > as > | > | > | > XP, > | > | > | > | > and > | > | > | > | > VISTA is still such a PITA. Try not to buy into the > garbage > | > spewed > | > | > by > | > | > | > | > media > | > | > | > | > and others... OR if you wish, we CAN discuss the POS XP > which > | > I > | > | > DID > | > | > | > spend > | > | > | > | > considerable time testing and monitoring... how good > its,,, > | > look > | > | > HERE: > | > | > | > | > > | > | > | > | > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/946480/en-us > | > | > | > | > > | > | > | > | > Think everything is fixed,,, guess again... > | > | > | > | > > | > | > | > | > -- > | > | > | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > | > | > | > | > -- > | > | > | > | > _________ > | > | > | > | > > | > | > | > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > | > | > | > | > news:uKoNOPOwIHA.3760@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > | > | > | > | > | I already told you, that machine has had EVERYTHING > | > installed > | > on > | > | > it > | > | > | > at > | > | > | > | > one > | > | > | > | > | time or another, and been through several ISPs and their > | > | > | > | > branding/helpful > | > | > | > | > | software, etc. > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | But what should she do if she needs QT to play > something? > | > After > | > | > all, > | > | > | > > | > | > | > | > what > | > | > | > | > | you say about QT on Windows 98 could be said about Win98 > | > itself. > | > | > In > | > | > | > | > fact, > | > | > | > | > I > | > | > | > | > | say it fairly regularly in places where people might > | > actually > | > | > | > listen. > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | -- > | > | > | > | > | Gary S. Terhune > | > | > | > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User > | > | > | > | > | http://www.grystmill.com > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message > | > | > | > | > | news:uzyZhGOwIHA.1504@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > | > | > | > | > | > Apple's QuickTime for 98 has not been supported for > some > | > time. > | > | > It > | > | > | > is > | > | > | > a > | > | > | > | > | > security risk, and is severely outdated. > | > | > | > | > | > Unless you have some special need to use it online, do > not > | > | > allow > | > | > | > it > | > | > | > | > access > | > | > | > | > | > to the Internet. > | > | > | > | > | > > | > | > | > | > | > Are you using AOL or some other ISP which installed > this > | > for > | > | > you? > | > | > | > | > | > > | > | > | > | > | > -- > | > | > | > | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > | > | > | > | > | > -- > | > | > | > | > | > _________ > | > | > | > | > | > > | > | > | > | > | > "Tim Slattery" <Slattery_T@bls.gov> wrote in message > | > | > | > | > | > news:fa1r3490ic78jqm9d8p4mkkvf84r0rcg82@4ax.com... > | > | > | > | > | > | "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote: > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | >Could someone please tell me what Quick Time is? > Sygate > | > | > says > | > | > it > | > | > | > was > | > | > | > | > | > critical that I > | > | > | > | > | > | >had approved a whole bunch of new dlls for Quick > Time, > | > and > | > | > I > | > | > | > don't > | > | > | > | > even > | > | > | > | > | > remember what > | > | > | > | > | > | >it is. Ginny > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | QuickTime is Apple's video player. It plays *.mov > and > | > *.mp4 > | > | > | > files, > | > | > | > | > | > | which Windows Media Player will not. Installing it > will > | > also > | > | > get > | > | > | > you > | > | > | > | > | > | endless nags from Apple to upgrade it and iTunes > | > (whether > | > | > you > | > | > | > have > | > | > | > | > | > | iTunes or not). > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | -- > | > | > | > | > | > | Tim Slattery > | > | > | > | > | > | MS MVP(Shell/User) > | > | > | > | > | > | Slattery_T@bls.gov > | > | > | > | > | > | http://members.cox.net/slatteryt > | > | > | > | > | > > | > -- > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > | > -- > | > _________ > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > >
Guest MEB Posted May 31, 2008 Posted May 31, 2008 Re: Re Maurice-: What is Quick Time Re: Re Maurice-: What is Quick Time Well then, let's try to read that prior post,, what you NEED to do is setup the *FIREWALL* to block where QT is allowed to go/where it is used... do you use it for anything on the Internet? IF NO, block it, or preferably convert those *.mov files to one supported in the default player, and get rid of QT.. IF YES, access that SAFE site and configure it to allow QT use for that SINGLE address, and single port if possible. Make sure you keep any Notification enabled {and log for awhile} until you are sure that it is fully blocked... In a RULES based firewall, this is the functioning for ALL setup. In something like ZA, most just click YES/Allow, and ZA then assigns what type use it can be: Local/Server, Internet/Server. The ports are wide open [or within a general preset range]. NOW are you confusing your issue with the AVAST proxy with this issue? The proxy would come into play in conjunction WITH the firewall to monitor/filter Internet traffic. Everyone has an opinion, but only a few base their's on fact and what occurs, those carry substance. The others base their's generally on desire and guess or pre-conceived notions, those bring little but words. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com -- _________ "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message news:4840a1e9$0$25023$607ed4bc@cv.net... | I'm sorry. I meant to say 'Sygate' not Avast. Would you be able to help me | set up Avast to block where QT is allowed to go? | | Maurice said: | " because it DOES take more than just knowing how to point and click, and a | > little bit of typing knowledge; which is only what most general usage | > Windows users know how to do. That's not cutting them down or arrogance, | > that's a statement of plain fact" | | BS. - Sounds like arrogance to me. That's not to cut you down, that's just a | statement of plain fact. Ginny | | ----- Original Message ----- | | | | | | | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | news:eRW8bGowIHA.4876@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... | > Oh I'm sorry, I saw where you needed QT locally, and I can see why. | > | > It isn't AVAST you use, but your software firewall. That is the key feature | > of a software firewall, hardware firewalls are unable to *completely* | > monitor running processes. | > | > The version of QT you use isn't really important, AS LONG AS ITS BLOCKED | > and only used locally, *or* just like for any program, IS important [use the | > last supported version] IF Internet usage, but only allowed access to the | > actual sites necessary/which require its use, AND you can't live without | > them AND they are *clean* sites.. | > | > Now, there are some other programs which provide .mov and other QT | > extension playback, or creation or conversion, via pluggins or other. I | > can't recommend one as I stopped that usage a long time ago as I found no | > real need for it. | > | > Your best bet, however, is to convert those irreplaceable *.mov to another | > format for use in something you already have installed, that's usually | > Windows Media player. | > That also makes it a little bit easier to configure your firewall, as you | > don't have to configure *many* applications and their access, and can keep | > your firewall rules in a small, tightly configured, manner. Security is | > based upon YOUR ability to control what goes on with the help of security | > software, and settings, | > | > In example: I still use IE6 for testing purposes, but its access to port | > 443 is NOT configured for general use. That port is now called by some sites | > to push advertising and other scripts and code. Only sites which I know and | > use have been allowed access AND I am notified when it IS used or attempted | > at use either IN or OUT, I still have to manually allow it. The other | > testing browsers I use {Opera, FireFox, SeaMonkey} have also been limited. | > FYI: that port is supposedly only for secure/trusted use and has a higher | > level of system access if allowed. | > | > The same is applied for all programs for which this can be done, such as | > mail programs, news readers, players, etc.. THEY don't control access and | > use, I DO with a little help. EVERTHING is defined and controlled as best as | > possible. This isn't done by default in ANY Microsoft OS, even the new ones, | > because it DOES take more than just knowing how to point and click, and a | > little bit of typing knowledge; which is only what most general usage | > Windows users know how to do. That's not cutting them down or arrogance, | > that's a statement of plain fact | > | > -- | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | > -- | > _________ | > | > "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message | > news:48401faf$0$25031$607ed4bc@cv.net... | > | Maurice, I don't need Quick Time for the bank. When I uninstalled it, I | > was able to | > | do my banking just fine. I wouldn't want anything "unsafe" running with my | > bank | > | sessions. | > | I'm guessing from the conversation that there is no replacement for Quick | > Time to | > | run .MOV. I am able to run .mpg videos on 'Windows Media Player'. But | > when I click | > | my .mov it says it needs "PLAY32.EXE". Is that all I need? Maybe I don't | > need Quick | > | Time. | > | But if I do, are you familiar with how to set up Avast to LIMIT, via | > the | > | firewall, EXACTLY where QT can be used, by SITE? Ginny | > | | > | | > | | > | | > | | > | | > | | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | > | news:OQwUxXiwIHA.516@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... | > | > No Gary, I thought you were helping setup her computer just some FYI | > | > reminders. | > | > You LIMIT, via the firewall, EXACTLY where QT can be used, by SITE. | > Same as | > | > for any troublesome application.... she needs it for the bank, then | > that's | > | > what it is allowed to connect with, she needs it only for local | > materials, | > | > then it gets no outside access... | > | > As for JAVA, this box still uses Microsoft's version... guess what, that | > | > LIMITS what hacks can be used... | > | > | > | > 98 CAN be made secure enough to use for "most" of the Internet with a | > little | > | > thought applied. | > | > | > | > As for the UTUBE generation,, well, I deal with them almost daily, they | > | > aren't very impressive nor do they care much ... then again I suppose | > such | > | > was said about us, but the leverage is: dis ain't loud music er da tv, | > dis | > | > be da world and it eats da dumb fer breakfast... | > | > | > | > -- | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | > | > -- | > | > _________ | > | > | > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | > | > news:eylFErhwIHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... | > | > | Why must you harp on the obvious? I, personally, would recommend not | > | > running | > | > | QT at all, and I don't, not even on my XP systems. But lots of people | > use | > | > | certain types of files that only QT will handle, or in the case at | > hand, | > | > | it's inexorably combined with her camera software (a very old camera | > with | > | > no | > | > | twain driver, IIRC, though I'll learn more as time passes.) And she | > has | > | > | irreplaceable MOV files that are dear to her heart... | > | > | | > | > | So, what would YOU recommend? Leave in the old QT the way it is, or | > update | > | > | it and hope that uninstalling the old version is a major part of that | > | > | update. | > | > | | > | > | And, please tell us, what is the alternative to Sun Java these days? | > | > | | > | > | Ginny is shopping for a new machine, XP probably, but she may be | > forced to | > | > | Vista, and she can't afford a Mac and she'll not want the total new | > | > learning | > | > | experience that Linux would entail... So what do you recommend? | > | > | | > | > | Again, you are complaining about security in legacy applications when | > | > | they're being run on a totally insecure and obsolete system in the | > first | > | > | place. | > | > | | > | > | Oh, and FYI, I downloaded QT v. 6.5.2, since that is the last one the | > | > works | > | > | on 9x. | > | > | | > | > | Really, Maurice. What would you have us do? Pull the power cords? Live | > in | > | > | perpetual fear of the inevitable bugs and vulnerabilities in software | > that | > | > | is racing to keep up with the demands of the YouTube generation? | > | > | | > | > | -- | > | > | Gary S. Terhune | > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User | > | > | http://www.grystmill.com | > | > | | > | > | | > | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | > | > | news:%232u%23DzgwIHA.1436@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... | > | > | > SEE APPLE QuickTime US CERT warnings/alert I posted in this group on | > | > | > 04/04/2008 [see suggestion and, responses provided alternatives or | > | > | > recommendations], also see older QT warnings this group and | > elsewhere.. | > | > | > | > | > | > REFERENCE | > | > | > National Cyber Alert System | > | > | > Technical Cyber Security Alert TA08-094A | > | > | > Apple Updates for Multiple Vulnerabilities | > | > | > Original release date: April 3, 2008 | > | > | > | > | > | > SEE ALSO: | > | > | > "One of the fastest growing threats - the web site you visit" - MEB | > | > | > 05/01/2008 - this group, ignore the more ignorant responses | > [consider | > | > with | > | > | > the Flash vulnerabilities FINALLY addressed, though its still | > | > vulnerable]. | > | > | > AND: | > | > | > SUN JAVA Technical Cyber Security Alert TA08-066A - posted here | > | > 03-07-2008 | > | > | > if you intend to use SUN. | > | > | > , | > | > | > | > | > | > -- | > | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | > | > | > -- | > | > | > _________ | > | > | > | > | > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | > | > | > news:uib%23sCWwIHA.3780@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... | > | > | > | Decided to run the latest installer I have to see if it tells you | > up | > | > | > front | > | > | > | what version... There it was in huge letters. 6.5.1. And it was | > | > released | > | > | > | prior to December '04, not '05. Another of my many brain farts | > today. | > | > | > What | > | > | > | IS strange is that I have no versions prior to that in the places | > I'd | > | > | > expect | > | > | > | to find them. I'm a true packrat when it comes to that kind of | > stuff. | > | > | > Gotta | > | > | > | be earlier versions here, somewhere. Ahh, here we go. Versions 4 & | > | > 5... | > | > | > All | > | > | > | I'm missing is 3 and I just didn't feel like waiting for Search to | > | > | > complete | > | > | > | inspection of my vast ZIPped archives, my backups of backups, etc. | > | > | > | | > | > | > | -- | > | > | > | Gary S. Terhune | > | > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User | > | > | > | http://www.grystmill.com | > | > | > | | > | > | > | "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message | > | > | > | news:u0r7OqVwIHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... | > | > | > | >I do know that QT version 5 at least works on Win98SE. I | > stopped | > | > | > there, | > | > | > | >as I started getting tired of the bloat (as is so often the case) | > | > with | > | > | > the | > | > | > | >newer versions. | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > Gary S. Terhune wrote: | > | > | > | >> Leave it for now. I'll have you a full answer tomorrow if I | > can. | > | > What | > | > | > | >> you've | > | > | > | >> probably got is the same ancient, dangerous, version that MEB | > was | > | > | > | >> complaining about. We need to find the latest version that will | > | > still | > | > | > run | > | > | > | >> on | > | > | > | >> 9x. I'm may have it, but I'm in the middle of rebuilding my 98 | > box | > | > so | > | > | > I | > | > | > | >> can't test and make sure, know how to instruct you in its | > | > | > installation, | > | > | > | >> etc. | > | > | > | >> | > | > | > | >> (Actually, I coulda sworn I found v.6 on the QT site and that | > it | > | > | > works | > | > | > | >> with | > | > | > | >> Win98, but I guess I'll have to go through my History to find | > it. | > | > | > | >> Assuming I | > | > | > | >> don't already have it. Latest version I could find quickly was | > one | > | > I | > | > | > | >> downloaded in late '05.) | > | > | > | >> | > | > | > | >> -- | > | > | > | >> Gary S. Terhune | > | > | > | >> MS-MVP Shell/User | > | > | > | >> http://www.grystmill.com | > | > | > | >> | > | > | > | >> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message | > | > | > | >> news:483e4acf$0$25060$607ed4bc@cv.net... | > | > | > | >>> I googled one of the missing Quick Time files QT32INST.EXE | > | > | > downloaded | > | > | > it | > | > | > | >>> and ran it | > | > | > | >>> and it repaired Quick Time. It even installed the QTW32DEL.EXE | > | > that | > | > | > was | > | > | > | >>> missing. Now | > | > | > | >>> I have both of the Quick Time logos QT & QT32 in my add/remove | > | > | > programs | > | > | > | >>> and in | > | > | > | >>> Control Panel. I don't believe the QT one works but my movies | > are | > | > | > | >>> playing | > | > | > | >>> well, | > | > | > | >>> automatically with the Quick Time 32. So I am leaving it alone | > as | > | > I | > | > | > am | > | > | > | >>> sure there are | > | > | > | >>> shared files. Unless anyone has any ideas as to how to get rid | > of | > | > it | > | > | > | >>> without hurting | > | > | > | >>> Quick Time 32. | > | > | > | >>> | > | > | > | >>> | > | > | > | >>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | > | > | > | >>> news:uPfCyEUwIHA.548@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... | > | > | > | >>>> I need YOU to be more patient. And to stop posting wherever | > you | > | > | > feel | > | > | > | >>>> like | > | > | > | >>>> it. I know this is a long and multi-threaded issue, but it's | > your | > | > | > | >>>> responsibility to find the proper thread and post to respond | > to. | > | > If | > | > | > you | > | > | > | >>>> think it's missing, then at least go back to the top of this | > | > thread | > | > | > | >>>> ("IE | > | > | > | >>>> works so far", not "What is Quick Time") to post your "I'm | > lost" | > | > | > post. | > | > | > | >>>> While | > | > | > | >>>> this was intended to be a wrap-up thread for the original | > issue, | > | > | > you're | > | > | > | >>>> now | > | > | > | >>>> tacking new issues onto it, like this whole Sygate/QT thread. | > No | > | > | > need | > | > | > | >>>> to | > | > | > | >>>> further muck up the works by adding more to this sub-thread. | > | > | > | >>>> | > | > | > | >>>> So be patient, I have had to answer lots of posts today and | > some | > | > in | > | > | > | >>>> depth, | > | > | > | >>>> and I've done a lot of research on your part and on the part | > of | > | > | > others. | > | > | > | >>>> I | > | > | > | >>>> also had to rebuild my 98 machine, eat, etc., etc. And | > because | > | > you | > | > | > | >>>> posted | > | > | > | >>>> these MSXML questions here instead of where they belong, *I* | > have | > | > | > to | > | > | > go | > | > | > | >>>> searching for wherever in this mess the posts regarding MSXML | > | > | > update, | > | > | > | >>>> etc., | > | > | > | >>>> is located. I'll post/repost there and answer your | > question(s) | > | > | > there. | > | > | > | >>>> | > | > | > | >>>> -- | > | > | > | >>>> Gary S. Terhune | > | > | > | >>>> MS-MVP Shell/User | > | > | > | >>>> http://www.grystmill.com | > | > | > | >>>> | > | > | > | >>>> | > | > | > | >>>> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message | > | > | > | >>>> news:483e2660$0$25036$607ed4bc@cv.net... | > | > | > | >>>>> I need you to read my most recent postings. | > | > | > | >>>>> !. I am confused about the MSXML4sp2 updated and what to | > delete. | > | > I | > | > | > | >>>>> need | > | > | > | >>>>> it | > | > | > | >>>>> explained more clearly, please. | > | > | > | >>>>> 2. Quick Time doesn't have an uninstaller. When I hit | > add/remove | > | > | > | >>>>> programs | > | > | > | >>>>> it | > | > | > | >>>>> said it was uninstalling my Camedia (the program I attach my | > | > | > digital | > | > | > | >>>>> camera | > | > | > | >>>>> to the computer...that was o.k. | > | > | > | >>>>> But, there is nothing that says uninstall quick Time, It | > only | > | > | > gives | > | > | > | >>>>> the | > | > | > | >>>>> option to remove extensions. (in add/remove programs) and it | > | > says | > | > | > that | > | > | > | >>>>> I | > | > | > | >>>>> shouldn't do that. | > | > | > | >>>>> In Internet Options when I click it. It tells me that I | > should | > | > | > | >>>>> uninstall | > | > | > | >>>>> and | > | > | > | >>>>> install again as I am missing 2 exe files. | > | > | > | >>>>> If I put the CD in the drive....will that give me an option | > to | > | > | > | >>>>> uninstall? | > | > | > | >>>>> | > | > | > | >>>>> | > | > | > | >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- | > | > | > | >>>>> From: "Gary S. Terhune" <none> | > | > | > | >>>>> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion | > | > | > | >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 11:21 PM | > | > | > | >>>>> Subject: Re: IE Running well so far | > | > | > | >>>>> | > | > | > | >>>>> | > | > | > | >>>>>> Then you DO have that very old version MEB was talking | > about. | > | > You | > | > | > | >>>>>> should | > | > | > | >>>>>> uninstall it, then hope your banking site doesn't require | > it. | > | > | > Might | > | > | > | >>>>>> just | > | > | > | >>>>>> look different but still work. (I thought I had a link to | > the | > | > | > last | > | > | > | >>>>>> version | > | > | > | >>>>>> that worked with Win98, but I'll have to look deeper.) | > | > | > | >>>>>> | > | > | > | >>>>>> -- | > | > | > | >>>>>> Gary S. Terhune | > | > | > | >>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User | > | > | > | >>>>>> http://www.grystmill.com | > | > | > | >>>>>> | > | > | > | >>>>>> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message | > | > | > | >>>>>> news:483e04fb$0$15193$607ed4bc@cv.net... | > | > | > | >>>>>>> Sorry, Gary I got side tracked trying to get online again. | > I | > | > | > will | > | > | > | >>>>>>> uninstall that | > | > | > | >>>>>>> update(4.0sdk). | > | > | > | >>>>>>> The 2 Q Times are in Internet Options- Control Panel. Q | > time | > | > | > says | > | > | > if | > | > | > | >>>>>>> I | > | > | > | >>>>>>> uninstall it I | > | > | > | >>>>>>> will uninstall the program it came with. I haven't the | > | > slightest | > | > | > | >>>>>>> idea | > | > | > | >>>>> what | > | > | > | >>>>>>> it came | > | > | > | >>>>>>> with . It is not in any of my Programs under Start. | > Further | > | > | > | >>>>>>> investigation | > | > | > | >>>>>>> shows that | > | > | > | >>>>>>> the version is 2.1.2.59 (Quick Time for Windows) It says | > it is | > | > | > for | > | > | > | >>>>>>> Window 95 and is missing QT32INST.EXE AND | > | > QTW32EEL.EXE....which | > | > | > is | > | > | > | >>>>>>> why | > | > | > | >>>>>>> I | > | > | > | >>>>>>> can't open | > | > | > | >>>>>>> it. It says I should uninstall and reinstall but I don't | > know | > | > | > what | > | > | > | >>>>>>> CD | > | > | > | >>>>> it | > | > | > | >>>>>>> would be on | > | > | > | >>>>>>> to re-install. | > | > | > | >>>>>>> | > | > | > | >>>>>>> I will uninstall the 4.0sp1 now, after I make sure I can | > get | > | > | > online. | > | > | > | >>>>>>> Gin | > | > | > | >>>>>>> | > | > | > | >>>>>>> | > | > | > | >>>>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | > | > | > | >>>>>>> news:u44BNBOwIHA.4916@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... | > | > | > | >>>>>>>> You still have MSXML 4.0 SP1. Here's some updates you | > might | > | > | > want | > | > | > to | > | > | > | >>>>>>>> consider: | > | > | > | >>>>>>>> First, uninstall that Update we installed that includes | > the | > | > | > SDK. | > | > | > If | > | > | > | >>>>>>>> you're | > | > | > | >>>>>>>> not sure which one, write down any entry that includes | > MSXML | > | > | > and | > | > | > | >>>>>>>> post | > | > | > | >>>>> it | > | > | > | >>>>>>>> here. After uninstalling that, then get: | > | > | > | >>>>>>>> | > | > | > | >>>>>>>> MSXML 4.0 Service Pack 2 http://tinyurl.com/59qer | > | > | > | >>>>>>>> | > | > | > | >>>>>>>> then this patch: | > | > | > | >>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/y6a2sl | > | > | > | >>>>>>>> | > | > | > | >>>>>>>> -- | > | > | > | >>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune | > | > | > | >>>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User | > | > | > | >>>>>>>> http://www.grystmill.com | > | > | > | >>>>>>>> | > | > | > | >>>>>>>> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message | > | > | > | >>>>>>>> news:483cf7f0$0$15192$607ed4bc@cv.net... | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> All three are version 4.10.9404.0 and they were all | > created | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> 2/4/02. | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> msxml4.dll is 80.5 KB, msxml4r.dll is 1.17 MB, | > msxml4a.dll | > | > is | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> 43.5 | > | > | > | >>>>> KB. | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | > | > | > | >>>>> | > | > | > | >>>>> | > | > | > | >>>>> | > | > | > | >>>>> | > | > | > | >>>>> | > | > | > | >>>>> | > | > | > | >>>>> | > | > | > | >>>>> | > | > | > | >>>>> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message | > | > | > | >>>>> news:483e234b$0$25024$607ed4bc@cv.net... | > | > | > | >>>>>> One of my posts has 'gone missing' and I'm sitting here | > unclear | > | > | > about | > | > | > | >>>>>> how | > | > | > | >>>>>> to do | > | > | > | >>>>> this | > | > | > | >>>>>> service patch . I downloaded msxml4-KB927978-enu.exe (file | > | > | > version | > | > | > | >>>>>> 1)....., (I | > | > | > | >>>>> typed | > | > | > | >>>>>> in tinyurl.com/y6a2sl and it redirected me to this MSXML | > 4.0 | > | > | > Service | > | > | > | >>>>>> Pack2 | > | > | > | >>>>>> (Microsoft XML Core Services) - I think that is what I | > | > | > downloaded. | > | > | > Is | > | > | > | >>>>>> that the | > | > | > | >>>>> first | > | > | > | >>>>>> one or the second one?? | > | > | > | >>>>>> Also....What am I supposed to post here and uninstall from | > my | > | > | > | >>>>>> system??? | > | > | > | >>>>>> I am | > | > | > | >>>>>> confused. Thanks. Gin | > | > | > | >>>>>> | > | > | > | >>>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | > | > | > | >>>>>> news:eVflMSTwIHA.4952@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... | > | > | > | >>>>>>> Sygate uses a database that started out blank. | > *Everything* | > | > you | > | > | > do | > | > | > | >>>>>>> for | > | > | > | >>>>>>> a | > | > | > | >>>>>>> while will be a "change" to Sygate. If it's a program you | > | > | > recognize, | > | > | > | >>>>>>> then, | > | > | > | >>>>>>> short of doing a lot more research, you have no choice but | > to | > | > | > trust | > | > | > | >>>>>>> that | > | > | > | >>>>>>> it's not a malware DLL in disguise, and approve the update | > to | > | > | > | >>>>>>> Sygate's | > | > | > | >>>>>>> database. Once you've finished training it, then when it | > says | > | > | > | >>>>>>> "change" | > | > | > | >>>>>>> it | > | > | > | >>>>>>> will almost always actually mean "change". Then you are | > | > expected | > | > | > to | > | > | > | >>>>>>> be | > | > | > | >>>>>>> able | > | > | > | >>>>>>> to remember recent changes to your system and update | > Sygate | > | > | > | >>>>>>> appropriately. | > | > | > | >>>>>>> | > | > | > | >>>>>>> If it's a question you have about the program that is | > being | > | > | > cited, | > | > | > | >>>>>>> like | > | > | > | >>>>>>> you | > | > | > | >>>>>>> did with QT, then you do as you did: ask about it, do some | > | > | > research. | > | > | > | >>>>>>> But try | > | > | > | >>>>>>> to refrain from acting on our advice, or even stuff you | > read | > | > | > | >>>>>>> elsewhere | > | > | > | >>>>>>> using | > | > | > | >>>>>>> Google, etc., too quickly, not even mine, in case there's | > an | > | > | > | >>>>>>> important | > | > | > | >>>>>>> (or | > | > | > | >>>>>>> even minor) correction, contradiction or addendum to that | > | > advice | > | > | > in | > | > | > | >>>>>>> the | > | > | > | >>>>>>> near | > | > | > | >>>>>>> future. | > | > | > | >>>>>>> | > | > | > | >>>>>>> In this case, besides just what QT stands for, you should | > have | > | > | > | >>>>>>> learned | > | > | > | >>>>>>> enough in this thread to ask yourself, "Just how old IS | > that | > | > | > | >>>>>>> QuickTime | > | > | > | >>>>>>> of | > | > | > | >>>>>>> mine, anyway?" and "Maybe I should uninstall it and then | > | > install | > | > | > the | > | > | > | >>>>>>> latest | > | > | > | >>>>>>> version if I find I need it later." So, in a way, Sygate | > is | > | > | > teaching | > | > | > | >>>>>>> you, | > | > | > | >>>>>>> too. | > | > | > | >>>>>>> | > | > | > | >>>>>>> -- | > | > | > | >>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune | > | > | > | >>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User | > | > | > | >>>>>>> http://www.grystmill.com | > | > | > | >>>>>>> | > | > | > | >>>>>>> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message | > | > | > | >>>>>>> news:483df8c8$0$25052$607ed4bc@cv.net... | > | > | > | >>>>>>>> I don't mind training something. I simply don;t know if | > it is | > | > | > o.k. | > | > | > | >>>>>>>> to | > | > | > | >>>>>>>> allow | > | > | > | >>>>>>>> every | > | > | > | >>>>>>>> program to add new .dlls to my Internet Explorer and | > Outlook | > | > | > | >>>>>>>> Express. If | > | > | > | >>>>>>>> it is | > | > | > | >>>>>>>> harmless, I will simply say yes. and go about my | > business. | > | > But | > | > | > it | > | > | > | >>>>>>>> seems to | > | > | > | >>>>>>>> me we | > | > | > | >>>>>>>> spent an awful lot of time getting rid of .dlls that | > didn't | > | > | > belong | > | > | > | >>>>>>>> and | > | > | > | >>>>>>>> putting in | > | > | > | >>>>>>>> .dlls that had disappeared. My question was simple. Do I | > | > allow | > | > | > my | > | > | > | >>>>>>>> Internet | > | > | > | >>>>>>>> Explorer | > | > | > | >>>>>>>> and Outlook Express to be changed by my programs. | > | > | > | >>>>>>>> It doesn't say that Sygate is changing anything. It is | > Sygate | > | > | > | >>>>>>>> reporting to | > | > | > | >>>>>>>> me that | > | > | > | >>>>>>>> these programs are changing my IE & OE. I assumed that | > before | > | > | > | >>>>>>>> Sygate, | > | > | > | >>>>>>>> my | > | > | > | >>>>>>>> programs | > | > | > | >>>>>>>> were doing this but I just didn't know. Am I making any | > | > sense? | > | > | > | >>>>>>>> | > | > | > | >>>>>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | > | > | > | >>>>>>>> news:%239wnV0RwIHA.2360@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> My guess is that the page you went to includes items | > that | > | > are | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> viewed | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> using a | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> QT plugin. What you describe (QT and QT32) sound like | > | > plugins | > | > | > and | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> they | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> are | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> just different versions of the same thing (16-bit and | > | > 32-bit), | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> installed | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> by | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> the same installer. Where are these things listed in | > | > Internet | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> Options? On | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> what tab, under what button? (Sorry, I can't check | > against | > | > my | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> system | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> as I | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> am | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> in the process of rebuilding it.) Anyway, if it bugs | > you, | > | > just | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> uninstall | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> QT | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> in Add/Remove Programs and see what happens. You can | > always | > | > go | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> back | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> and | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> reinstall it if you discover you need it. | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> But your biggest problem is that you can't stand having | > to | > | > | > train | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> that | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> firewall. If you aren't willing to go through that | > process, | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> uninstall it | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> and | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> either use something else or nothing at all. You already | > | > have | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> pretty | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> decent | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> protection against intrusion. Believe me, that firewall | > | > isn't | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> done | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> bugging | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> you, not by a LONG shot. | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> -- | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> http://www.grystmill.com | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> news:483de66d$0$11610$607ed4bc@cv.net... | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> I have Quick Time and Quick Time32 in my Internet | > Options. | > | > I | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> have | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> Quick | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> Time in | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> Add/Remove programs. I went to Chase to transfer some | > money | > | > | > to | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> my | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> son | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> and | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> another | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> popup occurred saying: "Quick Time has install the | > | > following | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> (long | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> list) | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> of | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> components to your system, do you want them to access | > the | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> internet." | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> Why | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> would I want | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> them to access the internet and change my Internet | > Explorer | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> while | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> I am | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> trying to do | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> banking??? When I said 'no' , I was unable to continue. | > I | > | > | > would | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> like to | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> uninstall | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> both of them. (I only have uninstall for QT) and I | > don't | > | > know | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> what | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> QT32 | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> is!!! A | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> little hint please. I am going to try again to get into | > my | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> bank. | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> Ginny | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> news:utbNAQRwIHA.4772@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> Don't be. It's not your fault MEB got up on the wrong | > side | > | > | > of | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> the | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> bed | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> this | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> morning and/or is otherwise distracted, or so it | > seems. | > | > | > Though | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> I | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> must | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> say | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> it's interesting to see his true colors when it comes | > to | > | > his | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> feelings | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> about | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> XP. | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> -- | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.grystmill.com | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> news:483dd8cc$1$11631$607ed4bc@cv.net... | > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry I asked!!! Ginny | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | | > | > | > | > | > | | > | | > | | > | > | |
Guest MEB Posted May 31, 2008 Posted May 31, 2008 Re: What is Quick Time Re: What is Quick Time Is this where we go pppspsttttt at each other, its been awhile, I'm not sure what the normal response is... -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com -- _________ "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message news:OtHBo%23rwIHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... | Yeah, well I knew that was exactly the way you'd eventually respond, so | we're even. | | Dreamer. | | -- | Gary S. Terhune | MS-MVP Shell/User | http://www.grystmill.com | | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | news:uBHGSurwIHA.3968@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... | > And that's EXACTLY how one would expect you to respond.... | > | > -- | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | > -- | > _________ | > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | > news:%23r4dSTpwIHA.4376@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... | > | Thought so, <eg>. | > | | > | -- | > | Gary S. Terhune | > | MS-MVP Shell/User | > | http://www.grystmill.com | > | | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | > | news:u4ycUfjwIHA.5620@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... | > | > OOOHHH, I missed this one, you put the sig at the top... | > | > | > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | > | > news:OcWlexTwIHA.548@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... | > | > | | > | > | | > | > | | > | > | -- | > | > | Gary S. Terhune | > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User | > | > | http://www.grystmill.com | > | > | | > | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | > | > | news:uorQnxSwIHA.548@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... | > | > | > Ah ,YOU brought capitalism as an issue, I see NO WHERE in my posts | > | > that | > | > | > indicates that. | > | > | | > | > | Capitalism = Real World. A place where you, apparently, don't wish | > to | > | > | reside. | > | > | > | > CAPITALISM = with its waste, consumerism, profit margins and market | > calls, | > | > investments in junk businesses and manufacturers, lack of concern for | > | > people, lack of concern for environment, fosters its ME/MINE attitude, | > | > resource Wars, depletion of the ozone, destruction of the ice caps, | > | > elimination of wildlife and sea creatures, world wealth in the hands | > of | > | > the | > | > select few, limited and DIRECTED education of children, and all this | > other | > | > lovely stuff going on,,, the thing that will destroy this planet,, oh | > | > wait, | > | > that's pretty much been accomplished. It IS useful for America, it has | > | > kept | > | > this bankrupt nation alive [declared essential bankrupcy seven times | > since | > | > the depression], of course the money is useless and only backed by | > foreign | > | > nations but who cares about whether that CREDIT is ever paid back, not | > | > Capitalists...... worry about future generations, why, there's no | > profit | > | > in | > | > it, and WHO CARES we certainly aren't going to be there, that's their | > | > problem.... | > | > | > | > So yeah, let's drill ALL the oil out NOW and use it,,, let's spend the | > | > next | > | > thirty years trying to figure out what to do, after all, its only been | > a | > | > few | > | > thousand years already, let's let the people pay for coal | > technological | > | > usage improvements FOR the producers, let's strip the sea of life and | > fill | > | > it in with human waste and garbage, let's finish this with a bang,, | > yep | > | > that's it,,, let's just get rid of all those things in our way.... | > | > | > | > We don't need animals, fish , vegetables, or any of that junk, we can | > eat | > | > ourselves, like in "Soylent Green".... use War to decrease the | > population | > | > like "1984", oh YEAH let's bask in our glory.... hey sounds like the | > plan, | > | > whatyatink... | > | > | > | > | | > | > | > WHY would I post that in this group??? | > | > | > I spent more than a month in this group attempting to discuss and | > | > explain | > | > | > the XP hard drive issues with 9X,,, had many of the posters put | > | > material | > | > | > into the discussion which they had no idea of, *discredit [or | > rather | > | > | > attempt | > | > | > to do so] ACTAUL functions IN XP*, and the final outcome came to | > "NOT" | > | > | > checking Smart statistics because the drive APPEARED to be | > clean... | > | > who | > | > | > cares if its not realistic, who cares if anything had been | > | > re-allocated, | > | > | > who | > | > | > cares.... | > | > | | > | > | Why would you discuss XP issues in THIS group in any detail? And | > since | > | > when | > | > | > | > It was a discussion concerning 98 usage after and on drives with XP. | > Seems | > | > that made it pretty appropriate for a 98 group. It did get a number of | > XP | > | > users to pop in, and increased re-population [other mirrors], and | > | > viewers/participants here. The added benefit, it exposed some of XP. | > AND | > | > changed a few attitudes concerning what to do with these types of | > disks, | > | > how | > | > to wipe drives, what programs are worthless to use, and several other | > | > useful | > | > items...... | > | > | > | > | DON'T long threads of that nature get filled with stupid | > contributions? | > | > And | > | > | who DOES care, anyway? | > | > | | > | > | > Now if you can explain to me why I would do this again, post it... | > | > | > | > | > | > As for daily use: that's funny, not only daily use, but FAR | > more.... | > | > | > There is no bias on my part, but there certainly is on yours, I | > HAVE | > | > run | > | > | > other non-Microsoft OSs.... and did the same thing in those OSs, | > | > testing, | > | > | > defining, clarifying,,, and using. Guess what, I intend to do it | > | > again... | > | > | | > | > | Have fun. | > | > | | > | > | > Are we done yet? | > | > | | > | > | Don't know, yet. | > | > | | > | > | -- | > | > | Gary S. Terhune | > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User | > | > | http://www.grystmill.com | > | > | > | > Apparently we aren't.... | > | > | > | > | | > | > | | > | > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | > | > | > news:uMZL4JQwIHA.420@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... | > | > | > | I didn't say testing and monitoring wouldn't tell you a lot, but | > if | > | > you | > | > | > | haven't actually used it day in and day out, doing all the | > things | > | > that | > | > | > | people do with their desktop PCs, you have nothing but nerdy, | > yes. | > | > | > | | > | > | > | So what's your results. In particular, discuss the comparative | > | > features | > | > | > and | > | > | > | why you seem to think that all the extra functionality in XP is | > | > plain | > | > | > | worthless, or could just as easily be done in 9x. Synopsize and | > hit | > | > the | > | > | > high | > | > | > | points, please. I'm not up to reams of data. | > | > | > | | > | > | > | I gotta tell you, your bias is showing all over the place, and I | > | > ALWAYS | > | > | > | remember that statistics can be easily misconstrued and/or made | > to | > | > lie. | > | > | > | | > | > | > | And if your real gripe is capitalism in general, then let's | > leave | > | > off | > | > | > this | > | > | > | discussion, OK? | > | > | > | | > | > | > | -- | > | > | > | Gary S. Terhune | > | > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User | > | > | > | http://www.grystmill.com | > | > | > | | > | > | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | > | > | > | news:evO68%23OwIHA.5096@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... | > | > | > | > That's usage monitoring. file monitoring, network monitoring, | > | > Internet | > | > | > | > monitoring, disk monitoring, service monitoring, device | > | > monitoring, | > | > | > | > etc.,,, | > | > | > | > ah, that's far beyond simple usage. Seems that would give me a | > bit | > | > | > more | > | > | > | > knowledge,, but then that would be relative and nerdy wouldn't | > | > it.. | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > -- | > | > | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | > | > | > | > -- | > | > | > | > _________ | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | > | > | > | > news:Oyaln3OwIHA.516@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... | > | > | > | > | Testing and monitoring... But not really using? ROTFLMAO!!! | > That | > | > | > leaves | > | > | > | > you | > | > | > | > | well prepared for nothing more than just so much nerdy | > babble. | > | > | > | > | | > | > | > | > | -- | > | > | > | > | Gary S. Terhune | > | > | > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User | > | > | > | > | http://www.grystmill.com | > | > | > | > | | > | > | > | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | > | > | > | > | news:%23l7eJaOwIHA.1240@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... | > | > | > | > | > QT can be used locally, or one can find codex to handle | > that | > | > | > format | > | > | > in | > | > | > | > | > some | > | > | > | > | > other player which IS being supported. | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > Right, you DO say that constantly, and you also attempt to | > | > foster | > | > | > the | > | > | > | > | > notion that XP has become the world's favorite because its | > | > just | > | > so | > | > | > | > good | > | > | > | > | > and | > | > | > | > | > secure, BS, the reason for increased usage is that it is | > | > difficult | > | > | > to | > | > | > | > find | > | > | > | > | > computer's to support 9X, leaving the only viable Windows | > | > choice | > | > | > as | > | > | > | > XP, | > | > | > | > | > and | > | > | > | > | > VISTA is still such a PITA. Try not to buy into the | > garbage | > | > spewed | > | > | > by | > | > | > | > | > media | > | > | > | > | > and others... OR if you wish, we CAN discuss the POS XP | > which | > | > I | > | > | > DID | > | > | > | > spend | > | > | > | > | > considerable time testing and monitoring... how good | > its,,, | > | > look | > | > | > HERE: | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/946480/en-us | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > Think everything is fixed,,, guess again... | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > -- | > | > | > | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | > | > | > | > | > -- | > | > | > | > | > _________ | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | > | > | > | > | > news:uKoNOPOwIHA.3760@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... | > | > | > | > | > | I already told you, that machine has had EVERYTHING | > | > installed | > | > on | > | > | > it | > | > | > | > at | > | > | > | > | > one | > | > | > | > | > | time or another, and been through several ISPs and their | > | > | > | > | > branding/helpful | > | > | > | > | > | software, etc. | > | > | > | > | > | | > | > | > | > | > | But what should she do if she needs QT to play | > something? | > | > After | > | > | > all, | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > what | > | > | > | > | > | you say about QT on Windows 98 could be said about Win98 | > | > itself. | > | > | > In | > | > | > | > | > fact, | > | > | > | > | > I | > | > | > | > | > | say it fairly regularly in places where people might | > | > actually | > | > | > | > listen. | > | > | > | > | > | | > | > | > | > | > | -- | > | > | > | > | > | Gary S. Terhune | > | > | > | > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User | > | > | > | > | > | http://www.grystmill.com | > | > | > | > | > | | > | > | > | > | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | > | > | > | > | > | news:uzyZhGOwIHA.1504@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... | > | > | > | > | > | > Apple's QuickTime for 98 has not been supported for | > some | > | > time. | > | > | > It | > | > | > | > is | > | > | > | > a | > | > | > | > | > | > security risk, and is severely outdated. | > | > | > | > | > | > Unless you have some special need to use it online, do | > not | > | > | > allow | > | > | > | > it | > | > | > | > | > access | > | > | > | > | > | > to the Internet. | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > Are you using AOL or some other ISP which installed | > this | > | > for | > | > | > you? | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > -- | > | > | > | > | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | > | > | > | > | > | > -- | > | > | > | > | > | > _________ | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > "Tim Slattery" <Slattery_T@bls.gov> wrote in message | > | > | > | > | > | > news:fa1r3490ic78jqm9d8p4mkkvf84r0rcg82@4ax.com... | > | > | > | > | > | > | "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote: | > | > | > | > | > | > | | > | > | > | > | > | > | >Could someone please tell me what Quick Time is? | > Sygate | > | > | > says | > | > | > it | > | > | > | > was | > | > | > | > | > | > critical that I | > | > | > | > | > | > | >had approved a whole bunch of new dlls for Quick | > Time, | > | > and | > | > | > I | > | > | > | > don't | > | > | > | > | > even | > | > | > | > | > | > remember what | > | > | > | > | > | > | >it is. Ginny | > | > | > | > | > | > | | > | > | > | > | > | > | QuickTime is Apple's video player. It plays *.mov | > and | > | > *.mp4 | > | > | > | > files, | > | > | > | > | > | > | which Windows Media Player will not. Installing it | > will | > | > also | > | > | > get | > | > | > | > you | > | > | > | > | > | > | endless nags from Apple to upgrade it and iTunes | > | > (whether | > | > | > you | > | > | > | > have | > | > | > | > | > | > | iTunes or not). | > | > | > | > | > | > | | > | > | > | > | > | > | -- | > | > | > | > | > | > | Tim Slattery | > | > | > | > | > | > | MS MVP(Shell/User) | > | > | > | > | > | > | Slattery_T@bls.gov | > | > | > | > | > | > | http://members.cox.net/slatteryt | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > -- | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | > | > -- | > | > _________ | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | | > | > |
Guest MEB Posted May 31, 2008 Posted May 31, 2008 Re: What is Quick Time Re: What is Quick Time Gary, this is a useless discussion. You have your thoughts which are what a Windows user generally has, having never used anything else.. So let just say, again, we agree to disagree... and leave me out of those snide little comments... -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com -- _________ "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message news:eJfjTQpwIHA.1936@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... | | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | news:OHH8jviwIHA.4564@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... | > | > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | > news:ehpJ3fhwIHA.4376@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... | > | There must be SOME kind of survey that reports decent stats on the | > usage, | > | particularly in the industrial and large commercial settings. In my | > case, | > I | > | freely admit that "my" public consists of home and SOHO users, and I'll | > bet | > | the web stats aren't at all far off in those categories. Certainly not | > by | > | any large order of magnitude. Besides, I don't know what you mean by | > | "Windows information web sites." Are you trying to say that | > | http://www.w3counter.com/globalstats.php is somehow rigged? And how many | > | sites REQUIRE IE such that you can't even get there to be counted using | > | Linux? | > | > Ah, that site is completely blocked in my HOSTS file, guess why. | | I dunno. You don't like being counted? | | > Your base consists of those computers you know how to fix, that's not a | > cut, just a statement. | > AND you direct those parties move to what YOU recommend. | | > And no, the stats may not be wrong, but what do they reflect [can't tell | > you as I have no intention of disabling the block].. | > The intent of the computer age was to INCREASE the intelligence of the | > world and to allow the people of the world to communicate with each | > other.. | > | > IN STARK constrast, we find what actually occurred was that people just | > bitched and complained until they find an OS which they need no NOTHING | > about to use, so they can pirate software and music, send emails, view | > nifty | > Flash objects, steal DVD movies, watch TV programs on their computer, and | > .... meanwhile, the intelligence level seems to have *fallen off the edge | > of | > the world*... | | Exactly my thesis. You want to force the computer world into such a format | that a user MUST learn. Quixotic at best. | | > | As I said, maybe when I get the time. But I don't see much in the way of | > | application support out there, much less hardware support. And you keep | > | ignoring my main point: All your whining about dumb devices and | > Microsoft's | > | stealing (let's not be coy, we both know they do it), and everything | > else | > is | > | meaningless to me. A world built upon innumerable Linux distros and | > millions | > | of independent programmers, and tons of tiny partnerships between | > | programmers and hardware developers... I don't want any part of it. I | > *want* | > | mass marketed and standardized products, even if they're dumb and | > crappy. | > As | > | does most of the world. That's where the tilting at windmills part comes | > in, | > | and I don't mean just you, I mean the whole utopian Linux crowd. They | > are | > | invaluable to society, but they will never come near ruling it except in | > | some self-satisfied sense of accomplishment. | > | > What application don't you find? What is it that you need to do that isn't | > found in a Linux version or specific program? | | I already mentioned Photoshop. Add Illustrator. Add MS Access. And in any | case, are you saying that the Linux crowd has it so together these days that | one can write a single version of an application (or two or three, max) that | will run near flawlessly on any modern Linux distro, WITHOUT having to | personally, manually, reprogram the OS to some certain extent? | | > SO you WANT to be forced every few years to buy a new computer and | > devices, | > you WANT to be forced to upgrade when support is pulled, you WANT to have | > no | > control on what your OS does, you WANT to ... well, the comment would | > usually be "lead by the nose". | | Yup, as part of the capitalist masses, that's exactly what I want. | Idiot-proofing, with just enough leeway to customize as needed for most uses | I could ever possibly want to put my machine to. Whether you like it or not, | Windows provides just that. And I want NEW, NEW, NEW!!! Hey, you talk about | the internet being intended to improve communications, seems to me that | YouTube, My Space, the older fashioned Chat rooms, et al, are perfect | examples of success. And all of these technologies change by the minute, | made possible for the most part by Windows. | | If it weren't for cheap, cobbled-together Windows, I'd never have met my | wife in a Yahoo! Chat room, I'd never have been able to maintain a courtship | via ICQ for a year, and we'd never have been able to build what life we have | together without Windows machines to run our HOME publishing business. | (Things were always such that a "normal" 9-5 life is impossible for either | of us.) | | > | | > | Now, I grant you that Linux lends itself to specialization, which could | > be | > | wonderful in large networks in large companies, and Linux is perhaps | > making | > | inroads there. But I'm betting it's just as slow going as in the | > | personal/SOHO market. Then again, you say we have no stats for those. | > | > Gary, what all Windows user forget, is that Windows displaced Unix, Linux, | > Xnix, IBM DOS, and variants from the home and business world. Granted, | > home | > usage during that time period was infantismal. The FIRST Windows was used | > because it looked GRAPHICAL. Everything used within it for NET use came | > from | > third parties. Microsoft limped into the picture with a rediculous | > browser... and that's about it. | | More irrelevant facts. So what? Microsoft MADE the internet what it is | today, by mass marketing stuff that the nerds all seemed to want to keep to | themselves. (I don't think the vast majority of nerds really want everyone | else to be nerds. That would mean they aren't special anymore.) | | And your continuous harping on the fact that Microsoft built itself through | astute business deals and/or less reputable shenanigans, that's all well | known history. You're whining again. | | > Here's somethiing, how many servers RUNNING the Internet use a Linux/Unix | > or variant? | | Quite a few, maybe most of them. What's your point? I presume that with that | upper case RUNNING, you weren't including servers that just dish stuff stuff | out to people *using* the internet. Hey, I'd expect these internet-RUNNING | machines to be well-maintained and constantly monitored for any problems, to | have a LOT of manpower devoted to keeping them online and clean. And if | they're so good, why can't they intervene to stop all possible internet | hacks? | | > What is the number one server being used to put hacks into systems? | | Windows IIS, I would imagine. Don't forget the "biggest, easiest target" | paradigm. It is to be assumed that most such servers are also poorly | maintained by less than perfectly knowledgable people. All in all, easy | targets for hackers. | | What's your point? That the internet would be safer if it didn't allow any | users to use it without a college degree in maintaining and programming | computers? That they should at least be regulated and monitored, like | certain other professionals in our society? Man, just WHERE are you going to | get these people? Or are you saying that if these were Linux servers instead | of Windows servers, internet hacks, D.O.S. attacks, etc., would magically | cease to occur? I don't buy that for one second. The key isn't the operating | system, it's the people who run/use them. But if you think you can somehow | coerce people into knowing what they're doing, first, by making it | impossible to use a computer otherwise... Back to La Mancha you go. | | > | Still, I don't see those Web stats changing very quickly, nor the pace | > of | > | that change changing very quickly. And while you might quibble with them | > a | > | bit, you can't go changing them by orders of magnitude just on a hunch | > or | > | based upon magazines, blogs, etc. The potential of Linux is and always | > has | > | > | been just that--potential. If you want to convince me that Linux has any | > | near-term chance to save the world from XP, then let's have the numbers. | > | | > | -- | > | Gary S. Terhune | > | MS-MVP Shell/User | > | http://www.grystmill.com | > | > I'd suggest getting a better reference,,, like most sensible people, I | > have | > that site completely blocked, so that likely leaves JUST the usual | > uninformed Windows user... | | Hey, PAY ATTENTION!!! I've been asking you over and over and over again for | ANY such reference you can provide, and you apparently can't. Again, why do | you block that site? For the same silly reason people fear tracking cookies, | scripts, etc.? You can't honestly be claiming thatt there's anything | *malicious* at that site? | | -- | Gary S. Terhune | MS-MVP Shell/User | http://www.grystmill.com | | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | > | news:O1wWd%23gwIHA.552@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... | > | > Wrong. The free Linux versions don't read into the sales numbers as no | > one | > | > knows how many are being run... Windows information web sites | > statistics | > | > also are not reflective of use, nor are sites which REQUIRE | > Microsoft's | > | > browsers, Linux users run these in an envelope to make it APPEAR to be | > the | > | > proper browser and OS is used.... | > | > | > | > I would suggest you actually spend some time finding out about Linux | > | > before making comments on what it can or can not do. Microsoft | > "borrows" | > a | > | > good percentage of its ideas FROM the Linux world, and remember, the | > | > programmers for Linux must generally first pull the chip code and | > write | > | > the | > | > drivers from that information, for the most part, before they can | > | > implement | > | > it. Moreover, as Microsoft and the hardware manufacturers now work to | > | > create | > | > ever dumber devices [making them OS supported only] it becomes even | > more | > | > difficult for the Linux community to apply and support those | > deliberately | > | > DUMB devices.. | > | > | > | > Do some research... as my daughter says "Live Life Illuminated" or you | > can | > | > remain in the dark, that's a personal choice you will make. | > | > | > | > -- | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | > | > -- | > | > _________ | > | > | > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | > | > news:O3zDBhfwIHA.2068@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... | > | > | That was harsh, and so I should add... Yes, 98 was great. But you | > know | > | > as | > | > | well as I do that it had fatal flaws. It *had* to be replaced. Then | > we | > | > got | > | > | what we got from MS, which I recognize as an attempt to create a | > master | > | > OS | > | > | that would run in all kinds of "interwoven" devices. Nobody else has | > | > come | > | > | close to stepping up to the plate, yet. Numbers don't lie, Linux | > distros | > | > are | > | > | flat, and it's not like they aren't being marketed. Then there's the | > | > most | > | > | recent thing to decently boost Mac sales. The ability to run Windows | > XP | > | > | decently using a VM! | > | > | | > | > | -- | > | > | Gary S. Terhune | > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User | > | > | http://www.grystmill.com | > | > | | > | > | | > | > | "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | > | > | news:%23dJr$aewIHA.4492@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... | > | > | > | > | > | > "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | > | > | > news:%23bI12MdwIHA.3760@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... | > | > | >> Gary, you're wrong or uninformed. | > | > | > | > | > | > Hey, I'm just looking at the numbers. | > | > | > | > | > | >> Check out the comparisons to the newest Linux clones verses XP | > [or | > | > even | > | > | >> VISTA]. You can't ignore where the world is moving. Microsoft | > doesn't | > | > and | > | > | >> is | > | > | >> concerned. Between Apple and these clones, Microsoft has to rely | > upon | > | > | >> uniformed people to use its OSs, and coerce manufactures to | > follow | > | > its | > | > | >> designs, and force the use of its OSs. | > | > | > | > | > | > Again, the story is in the numbers -- FACTS. And again, capitalism | > is | > | > a | > | > | > FACT. The vast uninformed society is a FACT. Apple's upper-level | > | > quality | > | > | > (and price) are FACTS. Microsoft's predatory practices are FACTS. | > I | > | > don't | > | > | > dispute that "the world is moving", but it's moving at a snail's | > pace | > | > | > toward something nobody can yet foresee. | > | > | > | > | > | >> XP may suit your purposes, obviously it does, but that means | > little. | > | > | > | > | > | > Means a heck of a lot to me and everyone who uses it! | > | > | > | > | > | >> Wouldn't you rather run an OS which can be changed today, rather | > than | > | > | >> waiting a month or never, to have something fixed. | > | > | > | > | > | > No. I would not want my machine used as a test box every day. | > | > | > | > | > | >>Wouldn't you rather have | > | > | >> manufacturers working WITH users, rather than with Microsoft. | > | > | > | > | > | > Work with users in what way? I'd rather the hardware and the OS | > code | > | > got | > | > | > along, thank you, and I don't think it should be the OS getting | > | > changed | > | > | > every day in order to keep up with every whim of every hardware | > | > developer | > | > | > out there, much less the hardware manufacturers' "users". Again, | > you | > | > are | > | > | > describing chaos. | > | > | > | > | > | >>Wouldn't you | > | > | >> rather have thousands of code knowledgeable people helping to | > protect | > | > you | > | > | >> [with the opposite of course, but that's in Windows also so the | > | > | >> comparison | > | > | >> is negated]. | > | > | > | > | > | > Where do you get these "thousands of code-knowledgeable people"? | > And | > | > how | > | > | > am I supposed to choose who to listen to? No, now that I think | > abou | > | > tit, | > | > | > the LAST thing I want is a bunch of "code-knowledgeable people" | > | > helping | > | > | > me. I want other USERS helping me. I want the code people to busy | > | > | > themselves keeping the code in good order and I want them to ALL | > BE | > ON | > | > THE | > | > | > SAME TEAM! | > | > | > | > | > | >> Don't you wonder why Windows is supposedly mostly a secret | > coding, | > | > yet | > | > | >> just | > | > | >> about everyone can hack it [from 7 or 8 year olds up]? Why would | > you | > | > | >> support | > | > | >> a system in which the key features cause numerous issues of their | > | > own? | > | > | > | > | > | > No, I never wondered that. I knew the answer without having to | > | > actually | > | > | > ask the question. It's akin to a law of nature. But you imply that | > the | > | > | > other OSes are hack proof, or inherently less insecure, that they | > are | > | > | > without faults in logic, without vulnerabilities just as nasty as | > the | > | > ones | > | > | > you bemoan in WIndows, and that's a crock. | > | > | > | > | > | > And you still don't get it -- I have no big attachment to XP other | > | > than | > | > | > it's what gets the job done for me and none of the others could | > come | > | > | > close. My only other observation is that XP/Vista appear to be | > | > maintaining | > | > | > their share, or losing it at a snails pace at worst, and that this | > is | > | > due | > | > | > to basic capitalism. Microsoft, or anyone who seeks to replace | > them, | > | > need | > | > | > a brand new bag altogether, but I prefer the current state of | > affairs | > | > to | > | > | > the chaos you describe. | > | > | > | > | > | >> Ask yourself why you WOULD ignore these things, why you fight so | > | > | >> desperately to further an OS which you admit is not what it | > purports | > | > to | > | > | >> be.... Your ideas and arguments fall flat, by your own | > writings... | > | > | > | > | > | > How is it that you keep seeing me as "fighting" for | > XP/Vista/whatever? | > | > I | > | > | > have no dog in this fight. I just want the winner when the dust | > | > settles. | > | > | > For the last several years, that's been Windows XP and now this | > | > mongrel | > | > | > Vista. | > | > | > | > | > | >> Gary, the reason I'M here, is I have a small part in this monster | > | > called | > | > | >> Microsoft. I participated in the very earliest stages, provided | > the | > | > error | > | > | >> reports and suggestions, downloaded by long distance and at MY | > cost | > | > the | > | > | >> files by 2400 then 14.4 then 33.6 modem, defended [verbally] the | > | > parties | > | > | >> who | > | > | >> brought windows to the business world and were FIRED AND SUED for | > | > doing | > | > | >> so, | > | > | >> did the beta testing until Microsoft started CHARGING [how dense | > am | > | > I, | > | > ah | > | > | >> yeah, I supply the computer system which Microsoft trashes and | > which | > | > I | > | > | >> PAY | > | > | >> to have trashed] and a number of other things which I now | > regret.... | > | > no | > | > | >> matter how trivial or insignificant my part or input was, this 9X | > | > | >> environment is something I participated in and THOUGHT the world | > | > needed | > | > | >> [it | > | > | >> was, it brought computing to the masses as you indicate]. The NT | > | > | >> environment, which I also worked with though NEVER recommended, | > has, | > | > per | > | > | >> my | > | > | >> own testing, never been a good replacement for Unix or other | > servers. | > | > | >> That | > | > | >> it was forced into the home environment under false pretences is | > | > | >> something I | > | > | >> can not support. My position on XP was stated YEARS ago in this | > | > group, | > | > I | > | > | >> will never recommend it unless something changes, which SP3 did | > not | > | > | >> completely do. | > | > | > | > | > | > As PA Bear implied, you tend toward the Quixotic. I don't care | > about | > | > your | > | > | > theories and academic opinions, your howling in the night. Your | > | > worldview | > | > | > is at odds with reality. | > | > | > | > | > | > -- | > | > | > Gary S. Terhune | > | > | > MS-MVP Shell/User | > | > | > http://www.grystmill.com | > | > | > | > | > -- | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | > -- | > _________ | > | > | > | > |
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted May 31, 2008 Posted May 31, 2008 Re: What is Quick Time Re: What is Quick Time If you think this was a useless conversation, then my respect for you is greatly diminished. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:e7VhpOtwIHA.3680@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > Gary, this is a useless discussion. You have your thoughts which are what > a > Windows user generally has, having never used anything else.. > > So let just say, again, we agree to disagree... and leave me out of those > snide little comments... > > -- > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > -- > _________ > > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > news:eJfjTQpwIHA.1936@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message > | news:OHH8jviwIHA.4564@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > | > > | > > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > | > news:ehpJ3fhwIHA.4376@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > | > | There must be SOME kind of survey that reports decent stats on the > | > usage, > | > | particularly in the industrial and large commercial settings. In my > | > case, > | > I > | > | freely admit that "my" public consists of home and SOHO users, and > I'll > | > bet > | > | the web stats aren't at all far off in those categories. Certainly > not > | > by > | > | any large order of magnitude. Besides, I don't know what you mean by > | > | "Windows information web sites." Are you trying to say that > | > | http://www.w3counter.com/globalstats.php is somehow rigged? And how > many > | > | sites REQUIRE IE such that you can't even get there to be counted > using > | > | Linux? > | > > | > Ah, that site is completely blocked in my HOSTS file, guess why. > | > | I dunno. You don't like being counted? > | > | > Your base consists of those computers you know how to fix, that's not > a > | > cut, just a statement. > | > AND you direct those parties move to what YOU recommend. > | > | > And no, the stats may not be wrong, but what do they reflect [can't > tell > | > you as I have no intention of disabling the block].. > | > The intent of the computer age was to INCREASE the intelligence of the > | > world and to allow the people of the world to communicate with each > | > other.. > | > > | > IN STARK constrast, we find what actually occurred was that people > just > | > bitched and complained until they find an OS which they need no > NOTHING > | > about to use, so they can pirate software and music, send emails, view > | > nifty > | > Flash objects, steal DVD movies, watch TV programs on their computer, > and > | > .... meanwhile, the intelligence level seems to have *fallen off the > edge > | > of > | > the world*... > | > | Exactly my thesis. You want to force the computer world into such a > format > | that a user MUST learn. Quixotic at best. > | > | > | As I said, maybe when I get the time. But I don't see much in the > way > of > | > | application support out there, much less hardware support. And you > keep > | > | ignoring my main point: All your whining about dumb devices and > | > Microsoft's > | > | stealing (let's not be coy, we both know they do it), and everything > | > else > | > is > | > | meaningless to me. A world built upon innumerable Linux distros and > | > millions > | > | of independent programmers, and tons of tiny partnerships between > | > | programmers and hardware developers... I don't want any part of it. > I > | > *want* > | > | mass marketed and standardized products, even if they're dumb and > | > crappy. > | > As > | > | does most of the world. That's where the tilting at windmills part > comes > | > in, > | > | and I don't mean just you, I mean the whole utopian Linux crowd. > They > | > are > | > | invaluable to society, but they will never come near ruling it > except > in > | > | some self-satisfied sense of accomplishment. > | > > | > What application don't you find? What is it that you need to do that > isn't > | > found in a Linux version or specific program? > | > | I already mentioned Photoshop. Add Illustrator. Add MS Access. And in > any > | case, are you saying that the Linux crowd has it so together these days > that > | one can write a single version of an application (or two or three, max) > that > | will run near flawlessly on any modern Linux distro, WITHOUT having to > | personally, manually, reprogram the OS to some certain extent? > | > | > SO you WANT to be forced every few years to buy a new computer and > | > devices, > | > you WANT to be forced to upgrade when support is pulled, you WANT to > have > | > no > | > control on what your OS does, you WANT to ... well, the comment would > | > usually be "lead by the nose". > | > | Yup, as part of the capitalist masses, that's exactly what I want. > | Idiot-proofing, with just enough leeway to customize as needed for most > uses > | I could ever possibly want to put my machine to. Whether you like it or > not, > | Windows provides just that. And I want NEW, NEW, NEW!!! Hey, you talk > about > | the internet being intended to improve communications, seems to me that > | YouTube, My Space, the older fashioned Chat rooms, et al, are perfect > | examples of success. And all of these technologies change by the minute, > | made possible for the most part by Windows. > | > | If it weren't for cheap, cobbled-together Windows, I'd never have met my > | wife in a Yahoo! Chat room, I'd never have been able to maintain a > courtship > | via ICQ for a year, and we'd never have been able to build what life we > have > | together without Windows machines to run our HOME publishing business. > | (Things were always such that a "normal" 9-5 life is impossible for > either > | of us.) > | > | > | > | > | Now, I grant you that Linux lends itself to specialization, which > could > | > be > | > | wonderful in large networks in large companies, and Linux is perhaps > | > making > | > | inroads there. But I'm betting it's just as slow going as in the > | > | personal/SOHO market. Then again, you say we have no stats for > those. > | > > | > Gary, what all Windows user forget, is that Windows displaced Unix, > Linux, > | > Xnix, IBM DOS, and variants from the home and business world. Granted, > | > home > | > usage during that time period was infantismal. The FIRST Windows was > used > | > because it looked GRAPHICAL. Everything used within it for NET use > came > | > from > | > third parties. Microsoft limped into the picture with a rediculous > | > browser... and that's about it. > | > | More irrelevant facts. So what? Microsoft MADE the internet what it is > | today, by mass marketing stuff that the nerds all seemed to want to keep > to > | themselves. (I don't think the vast majority of nerds really want > everyone > | else to be nerds. That would mean they aren't special anymore.) > | > | And your continuous harping on the fact that Microsoft built itself > through > | astute business deals and/or less reputable shenanigans, that's all well > | known history. You're whining again. > | > | > Here's somethiing, how many servers RUNNING the Internet use a > Linux/Unix > | > or variant? > | > | Quite a few, maybe most of them. What's your point? I presume that with > that > | upper case RUNNING, you weren't including servers that just dish stuff > stuff > | out to people *using* the internet. Hey, I'd expect these > internet-RUNNING > | machines to be well-maintained and constantly monitored for any > problems, > to > | have a LOT of manpower devoted to keeping them online and clean. And if > | they're so good, why can't they intervene to stop all possible internet > | hacks? > | > | > What is the number one server being used to put hacks into systems? > | > | Windows IIS, I would imagine. Don't forget the "biggest, easiest target" > | paradigm. It is to be assumed that most such servers are also poorly > | maintained by less than perfectly knowledgable people. All in all, easy > | targets for hackers. > | > | What's your point? That the internet would be safer if it didn't allow > any > | users to use it without a college degree in maintaining and programming > | computers? That they should at least be regulated and monitored, like > | certain other professionals in our society? Man, just WHERE are you > going > to > | get these people? Or are you saying that if these were Linux servers > instead > | of Windows servers, internet hacks, D.O.S. attacks, etc., would > magically > | cease to occur? I don't buy that for one second. The key isn't the > operating > | system, it's the people who run/use them. But if you think you can > somehow > | coerce people into knowing what they're doing, first, by making it > | impossible to use a computer otherwise... Back to La Mancha you go. > | > | > | Still, I don't see those Web stats changing very quickly, nor the > pace > | > of > | > | that change changing very quickly. And while you might quibble with > them > | > a > | > | bit, you can't go changing them by orders of magnitude just on a > hunch > | > or > | > | based upon magazines, blogs, etc. The potential of Linux is and > always > | > has > | > > | > | been just that--potential. If you want to convince me that Linux has > any > | > | near-term chance to save the world from XP, then let's have the > numbers. > | > | > | > | -- > | > | Gary S. Terhune > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User > | > | http://www.grystmill.com > | > > | > I'd suggest getting a better reference,,, like most sensible people, I > | > have > | > that site completely blocked, so that likely leaves JUST the usual > | > uninformed Windows user... > | > | Hey, PAY ATTENTION!!! I've been asking you over and over and over again > for > | ANY such reference you can provide, and you apparently can't. Again, why > do > | you block that site? For the same silly reason people fear tracking > cookies, > | scripts, etc.? You can't honestly be claiming thatt there's anything > | *malicious* at that site? > | > | -- > | Gary S. Terhune > | MS-MVP Shell/User > | http://www.grystmill.com > | > | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message > | > | news:O1wWd%23gwIHA.552@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > | > | > Wrong. The free Linux versions don't read into the sales numbers > as > no > | > one > | > | > knows how many are being run... Windows information web sites > | > statistics > | > | > also are not reflective of use, nor are sites which REQUIRE > | > Microsoft's > | > | > browsers, Linux users run these in an envelope to make it APPEAR > to > be > | > the > | > | > proper browser and OS is used.... > | > | > > | > | > I would suggest you actually spend some time finding out about > Linux > | > | > before making comments on what it can or can not do. Microsoft > | > "borrows" > | > a > | > | > good percentage of its ideas FROM the Linux world, and remember, > the > | > | > programmers for Linux must generally first pull the chip code and > | > write > | > | > the > | > | > drivers from that information, for the most part, before they can > | > | > implement > | > | > it. Moreover, as Microsoft and the hardware manufacturers now work > to > | > | > create > | > | > ever dumber devices [making them OS supported only] it becomes > even > | > more > | > | > difficult for the Linux community to apply and support those > | > deliberately > | > | > DUMB devices.. > | > | > > | > | > Do some research... as my daughter says "Live Life Illuminated" or > you > | > can > | > | > remain in the dark, that's a personal choice you will make. > | > | > > | > | > -- > | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > | > | > -- > | > | > _________ > | > | > > | > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > | > | > news:O3zDBhfwIHA.2068@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > | > | > | That was harsh, and so I should add... Yes, 98 was great. But > you > | > know > | > | > as > | > | > | well as I do that it had fatal flaws. It *had* to be replaced. > Then > | > we > | > | > got > | > | > | what we got from MS, which I recognize as an attempt to create a > | > master > | > | > OS > | > | > | that would run in all kinds of "interwoven" devices. Nobody else > has > | > | > come > | > | > | close to stepping up to the plate, yet. Numbers don't lie, Linux > | > distros > | > | > are > | > | > | flat, and it's not like they aren't being marketed. Then there's > the > | > | > most > | > | > | recent thing to decently boost Mac sales. The ability to run > Windows > | > XP > | > | > | decently using a VM! > | > | > | > | > | > | -- > | > | > | Gary S. Terhune > | > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User > | > | > | http://www.grystmill.com > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > | > | > | news:%23dJr$aewIHA.4492@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > | > | > | > > | > | > | > "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message > | > | > | > news:%23bI12MdwIHA.3760@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > | > | > | >> Gary, you're wrong or uninformed. > | > | > | > > | > | > | > Hey, I'm just looking at the numbers. > | > | > | > > | > | > | >> Check out the comparisons to the newest Linux clones verses > XP > | > [or > | > | > even > | > | > | >> VISTA]. You can't ignore where the world is moving. Microsoft > | > doesn't > | > | > and > | > | > | >> is > | > | > | >> concerned. Between Apple and these clones, Microsoft has to > rely > | > upon > | > | > | >> uniformed people to use its OSs, and coerce manufactures to > | > follow > | > | > its > | > | > | >> designs, and force the use of its OSs. > | > | > | > > | > | > | > Again, the story is in the numbers -- FACTS. And again, > capitalism > | > is > | > | > a > | > | > | > FACT. The vast uninformed society is a FACT. Apple's > upper-level > | > | > quality > | > | > | > (and price) are FACTS. Microsoft's predatory practices are > FACTS. > | > I > | > | > don't > | > | > | > dispute that "the world is moving", but it's moving at a > snail's > | > pace > | > | > | > toward something nobody can yet foresee. > | > | > | > > | > | > | >> XP may suit your purposes, obviously it does, but that means > | > little. > | > | > | > > | > | > | > Means a heck of a lot to me and everyone who uses it! > | > | > | > > | > | > | >> Wouldn't you rather run an OS which can be changed today, > rather > | > than > | > | > | >> waiting a month or never, to have something fixed. > | > | > | > > | > | > | > No. I would not want my machine used as a test box every day. > | > | > | > > | > | > | >>Wouldn't you rather have > | > | > | >> manufacturers working WITH users, rather than with Microsoft. > | > | > | > > | > | > | > Work with users in what way? I'd rather the hardware and the > OS > | > code > | > | > got > | > | > | > along, thank you, and I don't think it should be the OS > getting > | > | > changed > | > | > | > every day in order to keep up with every whim of every > hardware > | > | > developer > | > | > | > out there, much less the hardware manufacturers' "users". > Again, > | > you > | > | > are > | > | > | > describing chaos. > | > | > | > > | > | > | >>Wouldn't you > | > | > | >> rather have thousands of code knowledgeable people helping to > | > protect > | > | > you > | > | > | >> [with the opposite of course, but that's in Windows also so > the > | > | > | >> comparison > | > | > | >> is negated]. > | > | > | > > | > | > | > Where do you get these "thousands of code-knowledgeable > people"? > | > And > | > | > how > | > | > | > am I supposed to choose who to listen to? No, now that I think > | > abou > | > | > tit, > | > | > | > the LAST thing I want is a bunch of "code-knowledgeable > people" > | > | > helping > | > | > | > me. I want other USERS helping me. I want the code people to > busy > | > | > | > themselves keeping the code in good order and I want them to > ALL > | > BE > | > ON > | > | > THE > | > | > | > SAME TEAM! > | > | > | > > | > | > | >> Don't you wonder why Windows is supposedly mostly a secret > | > coding, > | > | > yet > | > | > | >> just > | > | > | >> about everyone can hack it [from 7 or 8 year olds up]? Why > would > | > you > | > | > | >> support > | > | > | >> a system in which the key features cause numerous issues of > their > | > | > own? > | > | > | > > | > | > | > No, I never wondered that. I knew the answer without having to > | > | > actually > | > | > | > ask the question. It's akin to a law of nature. But you imply > that > | > the > | > | > | > other OSes are hack proof, or inherently less insecure, that > they > | > are > | > | > | > without faults in logic, without vulnerabilities just as nasty > as > | > the > | > | > ones > | > | > | > you bemoan in WIndows, and that's a crock. > | > | > | > > | > | > | > And you still don't get it -- I have no big attachment to XP > other > | > | > than > | > | > | > it's what gets the job done for me and none of the others > could > | > come > | > | > | > close. My only other observation is that XP/Vista appear to be > | > | > maintaining > | > | > | > their share, or losing it at a snails pace at worst, and that > this > | > is > | > | > due > | > | > | > to basic capitalism. Microsoft, or anyone who seeks to replace > | > them, > | > | > need > | > | > | > a brand new bag altogether, but I prefer the current state of > | > affairs > | > | > to > | > | > | > the chaos you describe. > | > | > | > > | > | > | >> Ask yourself why you WOULD ignore these things, why you fight > so > | > | > | >> desperately to further an OS which you admit is not what it > | > purports > | > | > to > | > | > | >> be.... Your ideas and arguments fall flat, by your own > | > writings... > | > | > | > > | > | > | > How is it that you keep seeing me as "fighting" for > | > XP/Vista/whatever? > | > | > I > | > | > | > have no dog in this fight. I just want the winner when the > dust > | > | > settles. > | > | > | > For the last several years, that's been Windows XP and now > this > | > | > mongrel > | > | > | > Vista. > | > | > | > > | > | > | >> Gary, the reason I'M here, is I have a small part in this > monster > | > | > called > | > | > | >> Microsoft. I participated in the very earliest stages, > provided > | > the > | > | > error > | > | > | >> reports and suggestions, downloaded by long distance and at > MY > | > cost > | > | > the > | > | > | >> files by 2400 then 14.4 then 33.6 modem, defended [verbally] > the > | > | > parties > | > | > | >> who > | > | > | >> brought windows to the business world and were FIRED AND SUED > for > | > | > doing > | > | > | >> so, > | > | > | >> did the beta testing until Microsoft started CHARGING [how > dense > | > am > | > | > I, > | > | > ah > | > | > | >> yeah, I supply the computer system which Microsoft trashes > and > | > which > | > | > I > | > | > | >> PAY > | > | > | >> to have trashed] and a number of other things which I now > | > regret.... > | > | > no > | > | > | >> matter how trivial or insignificant my part or input was, > this > 9X > | > | > | >> environment is something I participated in and THOUGHT the > world > | > | > needed > | > | > | >> [it > | > | > | >> was, it brought computing to the masses as you indicate]. The > NT > | > | > | >> environment, which I also worked with though NEVER > recommended, > | > has, > | > | > per > | > | > | >> my > | > | > | >> own testing, never been a good replacement for Unix or other > | > servers. > | > | > | >> That > | > | > | >> it was forced into the home environment under false pretences > is > | > | > | >> something I > | > | > | >> can not support. My position on XP was stated YEARS ago in > this > | > | > group, > | > | > I > | > | > | >> will never recommend it unless something changes, which SP3 > did > | > not > | > | > | >> completely do. > | > | > | > > | > | > | > As PA Bear implied, you tend toward the Quixotic. I don't care > | > about > | > | > your > | > | > | > theories and academic opinions, your howling in the night. > Your > | > | > worldview > | > | > | > is at odds with reality. > | > | > | > > | > | > | > -- > | > | > | > Gary S. Terhune > | > | > | > MS-MVP Shell/User > | > | > | > http://www.grystmill.com > | > | > | > > | > > | > -- > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > | > -- > | > _________ > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > >
Guest MEB Posted May 31, 2008 Posted May 31, 2008 Re: What is Quick Time Re: What is Quick Time Perhaps not, maybe some sparks were placed smoldering, maybe not... time will tell. You have to admit it was, at times, one of the most off topic discussions in THIS group for quite some time.... did have some fun as the con... just couldn't get others involved... oh well, maybe next time... -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com -- _________ "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message news:ebAt02twIHA.516@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... | If you think this was a useless conversation, then my respect for you is | greatly diminished. | | -- | Gary S. Terhune | MS-MVP Shell/User | http://www.grystmill.com | | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | news:e7VhpOtwIHA.3680@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... | > Gary, this is a useless discussion. You have your thoughts which are what | > a | > Windows user generally has, having never used anything else.. | > | > So let just say, again, we agree to disagree... and leave me out of those | > snide little comments... | > | > -- | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | > -- | > _________ | > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | > news:eJfjTQpwIHA.1936@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... | > | | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | > | news:OHH8jviwIHA.4564@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... | > | > | > | > | > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | > | > news:ehpJ3fhwIHA.4376@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... | > | > | There must be SOME kind of survey that reports decent stats on the | > | > usage, | > | > | particularly in the industrial and large commercial settings. In my | > | > case, | > | > I | > | > | freely admit that "my" public consists of home and SOHO users, and | > I'll | > | > bet | > | > | the web stats aren't at all far off in those categories. Certainly | > not | > | > by | > | > | any large order of magnitude. Besides, I don't know what you mean by | > | > | "Windows information web sites." Are you trying to say that | > | > | http://www.w3counter.com/globalstats.php is somehow rigged? And how | > many | > | > | sites REQUIRE IE such that you can't even get there to be counted | > using | > | > | Linux? | > | > | > | > Ah, that site is completely blocked in my HOSTS file, guess why. | > | | > | I dunno. You don't like being counted? | > | | > | > Your base consists of those computers you know how to fix, that's not | > a | > | > cut, just a statement. | > | > AND you direct those parties move to what YOU recommend. | > | | > | > And no, the stats may not be wrong, but what do they reflect [can't | > tell | > | > you as I have no intention of disabling the block].. | > | > The intent of the computer age was to INCREASE the intelligence of the | > | > world and to allow the people of the world to communicate with each | > | > other.. | > | > | > | > IN STARK constrast, we find what actually occurred was that people | > just | > | > bitched and complained until they find an OS which they need no | > NOTHING | > | > about to use, so they can pirate software and music, send emails, view | > | > nifty | > | > Flash objects, steal DVD movies, watch TV programs on their computer, | > and | > | > .... meanwhile, the intelligence level seems to have *fallen off the | > edge | > | > of | > | > the world*... | > | | > | Exactly my thesis. You want to force the computer world into such a | > format | > | that a user MUST learn. Quixotic at best. | > | | > | > | As I said, maybe when I get the time. But I don't see much in the | > way | > of | > | > | application support out there, much less hardware support. And you | > keep | > | > | ignoring my main point: All your whining about dumb devices and | > | > Microsoft's | > | > | stealing (let's not be coy, we both know they do it), and everything | > | > else | > | > is | > | > | meaningless to me. A world built upon innumerable Linux distros and | > | > millions | > | > | of independent programmers, and tons of tiny partnerships between | > | > | programmers and hardware developers... I don't want any part of it. | > I | > | > *want* | > | > | mass marketed and standardized products, even if they're dumb and | > | > crappy. | > | > As | > | > | does most of the world. That's where the tilting at windmills part | > comes | > | > in, | > | > | and I don't mean just you, I mean the whole utopian Linux crowd. | > They | > | > are | > | > | invaluable to society, but they will never come near ruling it | > except | > in | > | > | some self-satisfied sense of accomplishment. | > | > | > | > What application don't you find? What is it that you need to do that | > isn't | > | > found in a Linux version or specific program? | > | | > | I already mentioned Photoshop. Add Illustrator. Add MS Access. And in | > any | > | case, are you saying that the Linux crowd has it so together these days | > that | > | one can write a single version of an application (or two or three, max) | > that | > | will run near flawlessly on any modern Linux distro, WITHOUT having to | > | personally, manually, reprogram the OS to some certain extent? | > | | > | > SO you WANT to be forced every few years to buy a new computer and | > | > devices, | > | > you WANT to be forced to upgrade when support is pulled, you WANT to | > have | > | > no | > | > control on what your OS does, you WANT to ... well, the comment would | > | > usually be "lead by the nose". | > | | > | Yup, as part of the capitalist masses, that's exactly what I want. | > | Idiot-proofing, with just enough leeway to customize as needed for most | > uses | > | I could ever possibly want to put my machine to. Whether you like it or | > not, | > | Windows provides just that. And I want NEW, NEW, NEW!!! Hey, you talk | > about | > | the internet being intended to improve communications, seems to me that | > | YouTube, My Space, the older fashioned Chat rooms, et al, are perfect | > | examples of success. And all of these technologies change by the minute, | > | made possible for the most part by Windows. | > | | > | If it weren't for cheap, cobbled-together Windows, I'd never have met my | > | wife in a Yahoo! Chat room, I'd never have been able to maintain a | > courtship | > | via ICQ for a year, and we'd never have been able to build what life we | > have | > | together without Windows machines to run our HOME publishing business. | > | (Things were always such that a "normal" 9-5 life is impossible for | > either | > | of us.) | > | | > | > | | > | > | Now, I grant you that Linux lends itself to specialization, which | > could | > | > be | > | > | wonderful in large networks in large companies, and Linux is perhaps | > | > making | > | > | inroads there. But I'm betting it's just as slow going as in the | > | > | personal/SOHO market. Then again, you say we have no stats for | > those. | > | > | > | > Gary, what all Windows user forget, is that Windows displaced Unix, | > Linux, | > | > Xnix, IBM DOS, and variants from the home and business world. Granted, | > | > home | > | > usage during that time period was infantismal. The FIRST Windows was | > used | > | > because it looked GRAPHICAL. Everything used within it for NET use | > came | > | > from | > | > third parties. Microsoft limped into the picture with a rediculous | > | > browser... and that's about it. | > | | > | More irrelevant facts. So what? Microsoft MADE the internet what it is | > | today, by mass marketing stuff that the nerds all seemed to want to keep | > to | > | themselves. (I don't think the vast majority of nerds really want | > everyone | > | else to be nerds. That would mean they aren't special anymore.) | > | | > | And your continuous harping on the fact that Microsoft built itself | > through | > | astute business deals and/or less reputable shenanigans, that's all well | > | known history. You're whining again. | > | | > | > Here's somethiing, how many servers RUNNING the Internet use a | > Linux/Unix | > | > or variant? | > | | > | Quite a few, maybe most of them. What's your point? I presume that with | > that | > | upper case RUNNING, you weren't including servers that just dish stuff | > stuff | > | out to people *using* the internet. Hey, I'd expect these | > internet-RUNNING | > | machines to be well-maintained and constantly monitored for any | > problems, | > to | > | have a LOT of manpower devoted to keeping them online and clean. And if | > | they're so good, why can't they intervene to stop all possible internet | > | hacks? | > | | > | > What is the number one server being used to put hacks into systems? | > | | > | Windows IIS, I would imagine. Don't forget the "biggest, easiest target" | > | paradigm. It is to be assumed that most such servers are also poorly | > | maintained by less than perfectly knowledgable people. All in all, easy | > | targets for hackers. | > | | > | What's your point? That the internet would be safer if it didn't allow | > any | > | users to use it without a college degree in maintaining and programming | > | computers? That they should at least be regulated and monitored, like | > | certain other professionals in our society? Man, just WHERE are you | > going | > to | > | get these people? Or are you saying that if these were Linux servers | > instead | > | of Windows servers, internet hacks, D.O.S. attacks, etc., would | > magically | > | cease to occur? I don't buy that for one second. The key isn't the | > operating | > | system, it's the people who run/use them. But if you think you can | > somehow | > | coerce people into knowing what they're doing, first, by making it | > | impossible to use a computer otherwise... Back to La Mancha you go. | > | | > | > | Still, I don't see those Web stats changing very quickly, nor the | > pace | > | > of | > | > | that change changing very quickly. And while you might quibble with | > them | > | > a | > | > | bit, you can't go changing them by orders of magnitude just on a | > hunch | > | > or | > | > | based upon magazines, blogs, etc. The potential of Linux is and | > always | > | > has | > | > | > | > | been just that--potential. If you want to convince me that Linux has | > any | > | > | near-term chance to save the world from XP, then let's have the | > numbers. | > | > | | > | > | -- | > | > | Gary S. Terhune | > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User | > | > | http://www.grystmill.com | > | > | > | > I'd suggest getting a better reference,,, like most sensible people, I | > | > have | > | > that site completely blocked, so that likely leaves JUST the usual | > | > uninformed Windows user... | > | | > | Hey, PAY ATTENTION!!! I've been asking you over and over and over again | > for | > | ANY such reference you can provide, and you apparently can't. Again, why | > do | > | you block that site? For the same silly reason people fear tracking | > cookies, | > | scripts, etc.? You can't honestly be claiming thatt there's anything | > | *malicious* at that site? | > | | > | -- | > | Gary S. Terhune | > | MS-MVP Shell/User | > | http://www.grystmill.com | > | | > | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | > | > | news:O1wWd%23gwIHA.552@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... | > | > | > Wrong. The free Linux versions don't read into the sales numbers | > as | > no | > | > one | > | > | > knows how many are being run... Windows information web sites | > | > statistics | > | > | > also are not reflective of use, nor are sites which REQUIRE | > | > Microsoft's | > | > | > browsers, Linux users run these in an envelope to make it APPEAR | > to | > be | > | > the | > | > | > proper browser and OS is used.... | > | > | > | > | > | > I would suggest you actually spend some time finding out about | > Linux | > | > | > before making comments on what it can or can not do. Microsoft | > | > "borrows" | > | > a | > | > | > good percentage of its ideas FROM the Linux world, and remember, | > the | > | > | > programmers for Linux must generally first pull the chip code and | > | > write | > | > | > the | > | > | > drivers from that information, for the most part, before they can | > | > | > implement | > | > | > it. Moreover, as Microsoft and the hardware manufacturers now work | > to | > | > | > create | > | > | > ever dumber devices [making them OS supported only] it becomes | > even | > | > more | > | > | > difficult for the Linux community to apply and support those | > | > deliberately | > | > | > DUMB devices.. | > | > | > | > | > | > Do some research... as my daughter says "Live Life Illuminated" or | > you | > | > can | > | > | > remain in the dark, that's a personal choice you will make. | > | > | > | > | > | > -- | > | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | > | > | > -- | > | > | > _________ | > | > | > | > | > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | > | > | > news:O3zDBhfwIHA.2068@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... | > | > | > | That was harsh, and so I should add... Yes, 98 was great. But | > you | > | > know | > | > | > as | > | > | > | well as I do that it had fatal flaws. It *had* to be replaced. | > Then | > | > we | > | > | > got | > | > | > | what we got from MS, which I recognize as an attempt to create a | > | > master | > | > | > OS | > | > | > | that would run in all kinds of "interwoven" devices. Nobody else | > has | > | > | > come | > | > | > | close to stepping up to the plate, yet. Numbers don't lie, Linux | > | > distros | > | > | > are | > | > | > | flat, and it's not like they aren't being marketed. Then there's | > the | > | > | > most | > | > | > | recent thing to decently boost Mac sales. The ability to run | > Windows | > | > XP | > | > | > | decently using a VM! | > | > | > | | > | > | > | -- | > | > | > | Gary S. Terhune | > | > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User | > | > | > | http://www.grystmill.com | > | > | > | | > | > | > | | > | > | > | "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | > | > | > | news:%23dJr$aewIHA.4492@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | > | > | > | > news:%23bI12MdwIHA.3760@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... | > | > | > | >> Gary, you're wrong or uninformed. | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > Hey, I'm just looking at the numbers. | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | >> Check out the comparisons to the newest Linux clones verses | > XP | > | > [or | > | > | > even | > | > | > | >> VISTA]. You can't ignore where the world is moving. Microsoft | > | > doesn't | > | > | > and | > | > | > | >> is | > | > | > | >> concerned. Between Apple and these clones, Microsoft has to | > rely | > | > upon | > | > | > | >> uniformed people to use its OSs, and coerce manufactures to | > | > follow | > | > | > its | > | > | > | >> designs, and force the use of its OSs. | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > Again, the story is in the numbers -- FACTS. And again, | > capitalism | > | > is | > | > | > a | > | > | > | > FACT. The vast uninformed society is a FACT. Apple's | > upper-level | > | > | > quality | > | > | > | > (and price) are FACTS. Microsoft's predatory practices are | > FACTS. | > | > I | > | > | > don't | > | > | > | > dispute that "the world is moving", but it's moving at a | > snail's | > | > pace | > | > | > | > toward something nobody can yet foresee. | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | >> XP may suit your purposes, obviously it does, but that means | > | > little. | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > Means a heck of a lot to me and everyone who uses it! | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | >> Wouldn't you rather run an OS which can be changed today, | > rather | > | > than | > | > | > | >> waiting a month or never, to have something fixed. | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > No. I would not want my machine used as a test box every day. | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | >>Wouldn't you rather have | > | > | > | >> manufacturers working WITH users, rather than with Microsoft. | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > Work with users in what way? I'd rather the hardware and the | > OS | > | > code | > | > | > got | > | > | > | > along, thank you, and I don't think it should be the OS | > getting | > | > | > changed | > | > | > | > every day in order to keep up with every whim of every | > hardware | > | > | > developer | > | > | > | > out there, much less the hardware manufacturers' "users". | > Again, | > | > you | > | > | > are | > | > | > | > describing chaos. | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | >>Wouldn't you | > | > | > | >> rather have thousands of code knowledgeable people helping to | > | > protect | > | > | > you | > | > | > | >> [with the opposite of course, but that's in Windows also so | > the | > | > | > | >> comparison | > | > | > | >> is negated]. | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > Where do you get these "thousands of code-knowledgeable | > people"? | > | > And | > | > | > how | > | > | > | > am I supposed to choose who to listen to? No, now that I think | > | > abou | > | > | > tit, | > | > | > | > the LAST thing I want is a bunch of "code-knowledgeable | > people" | > | > | > helping | > | > | > | > me. I want other USERS helping me. I want the code people to | > busy | > | > | > | > themselves keeping the code in good order and I want them to | > ALL | > | > BE | > | > ON | > | > | > THE | > | > | > | > SAME TEAM! | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | >> Don't you wonder why Windows is supposedly mostly a secret | > | > coding, | > | > | > yet | > | > | > | >> just | > | > | > | >> about everyone can hack it [from 7 or 8 year olds up]? Why | > would | > | > you | > | > | > | >> support | > | > | > | >> a system in which the key features cause numerous issues of | > their | > | > | > own? | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > No, I never wondered that. I knew the answer without having to | > | > | > actually | > | > | > | > ask the question. It's akin to a law of nature. But you imply | > that | > | > the | > | > | > | > other OSes are hack proof, or inherently less insecure, that | > they | > | > are | > | > | > | > without faults in logic, without vulnerabilities just as nasty | > as | > | > the | > | > | > ones | > | > | > | > you bemoan in WIndows, and that's a crock. | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > And you still don't get it -- I have no big attachment to XP | > other | > | > | > than | > | > | > | > it's what gets the job done for me and none of the others | > could | > | > come | > | > | > | > close. My only other observation is that XP/Vista appear to be | > | > | > maintaining | > | > | > | > their share, or losing it at a snails pace at worst, and that | > this | > | > is | > | > | > due | > | > | > | > to basic capitalism. Microsoft, or anyone who seeks to replace | > | > them, | > | > | > need | > | > | > | > a brand new bag altogether, but I prefer the current state of | > | > affairs | > | > | > to | > | > | > | > the chaos you describe. | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | >> Ask yourself why you WOULD ignore these things, why you fight | > so | > | > | > | >> desperately to further an OS which you admit is not what it | > | > purports | > | > | > to | > | > | > | >> be.... Your ideas and arguments fall flat, by your own | > | > writings... | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > How is it that you keep seeing me as "fighting" for | > | > XP/Vista/whatever? | > | > | > I | > | > | > | > have no dog in this fight. I just want the winner when the | > dust | > | > | > settles. | > | > | > | > For the last several years, that's been Windows XP and now | > this | > | > | > mongrel | > | > | > | > Vista. | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | >> Gary, the reason I'M here, is I have a small part in this | > monster | > | > | > called | > | > | > | >> Microsoft. I participated in the very earliest stages, | > provided | > | > the | > | > | > error | > | > | > | >> reports and suggestions, downloaded by long distance and at | > MY | > | > cost | > | > | > the | > | > | > | >> files by 2400 then 14.4 then 33.6 modem, defended [verbally] | > the | > | > | > parties | > | > | > | >> who | > | > | > | >> brought windows to the business world and were FIRED AND SUED | > for | > | > | > doing | > | > | > | >> so, | > | > | > | >> did the beta testing until Microsoft started CHARGING [how | > dense | > | > am | > | > | > I, | > | > | > ah | > | > | > | >> yeah, I supply the computer system which Microsoft trashes | > and | > | > which | > | > | > I | > | > | > | >> PAY | > | > | > | >> to have trashed] and a number of other things which I now | > | > regret.... | > | > | > no | > | > | > | >> matter how trivial or insignificant my part or input was, | > this | > 9X | > | > | > | >> environment is something I participated in and THOUGHT the | > world | > | > | > needed | > | > | > | >> [it | > | > | > | >> was, it brought computing to the masses as you indicate]. The | > NT | > | > | > | >> environment, which I also worked with though NEVER | > recommended, | > | > has, | > | > | > per | > | > | > | >> my | > | > | > | >> own testing, never been a good replacement for Unix or other | > | > servers. | > | > | > | >> That | > | > | > | >> it was forced into the home environment under false pretences | > is | > | > | > | >> something I | > | > | > | >> can not support. My position on XP was stated YEARS ago in | > this | > | > | > group, | > | > | > I | > | > | > | >> will never recommend it unless something changes, which SP3 | > did | > | > not | > | > | > | >> completely do. | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > As PA Bear implied, you tend toward the Quixotic. I don't care | > | > about | > | > | > your | > | > | > | > theories and academic opinions, your howling in the night. | > Your | > | > | > worldview | > | > | > | > is at odds with reality. | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > -- | > | > | > | > Gary S. Terhune | > | > | > | > MS-MVP Shell/User | > | > | > | > http://www.grystmill.com | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > -- | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | > | > -- | > | > _________ | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | | > | > |
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted May 31, 2008 Posted May 31, 2008 Re: What is Quick Time Re: What is Quick Time We shall see. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:Orv1kfuwIHA.2208@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > > Perhaps not, maybe some sparks were placed smoldering, maybe not... time > will tell. > > You have to admit it was, at times, one of the most off topic discussions > in THIS group for quite some time.... did have some fun as the con... just > couldn't get others involved... oh well, maybe next time... > > -- > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > -- > _________ > > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > news:ebAt02twIHA.516@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > | If you think this was a useless conversation, then my respect for you is > | greatly diminished. > | > | -- > | Gary S. Terhune > | MS-MVP Shell/User > | http://www.grystmill.com > | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message > | news:e7VhpOtwIHA.3680@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > | > Gary, this is a useless discussion. You have your thoughts which are > what > | > a > | > Windows user generally has, having never used anything else.. > | > > | > So let just say, again, we agree to disagree... and leave me out of > those > | > snide little comments... > | > > | > -- > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > | > -- > | > _________ > | > > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > | > news:eJfjTQpwIHA.1936@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > | > | > | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message > | > | news:OHH8jviwIHA.4564@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > | > | > > | > | > > | > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > | > | > news:ehpJ3fhwIHA.4376@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > | > | > | There must be SOME kind of survey that reports decent stats on > the > | > | > usage, > | > | > | particularly in the industrial and large commercial settings. In > my > | > | > case, > | > | > I > | > | > | freely admit that "my" public consists of home and SOHO users, > and > | > I'll > | > | > bet > | > | > | the web stats aren't at all far off in those categories. > Certainly > | > not > | > | > by > | > | > | any large order of magnitude. Besides, I don't know what you > mean > by > | > | > | "Windows information web sites." Are you trying to say that > | > | > | http://www.w3counter.com/globalstats.php is somehow rigged? And > how > | > many > | > | > | sites REQUIRE IE such that you can't even get there to be > counted > | > using > | > | > | Linux? > | > | > > | > | > Ah, that site is completely blocked in my HOSTS file, guess why. > | > | > | > | I dunno. You don't like being counted? > | > | > | > | > Your base consists of those computers you know how to fix, that's > not > | > a > | > | > cut, just a statement. > | > | > AND you direct those parties move to what YOU recommend. > | > | > | > | > And no, the stats may not be wrong, but what do they reflect > [can't > | > tell > | > | > you as I have no intention of disabling the block].. > | > | > The intent of the computer age was to INCREASE the intelligence of > the > | > | > world and to allow the people of the world to communicate with > each > | > | > other.. > | > | > > | > | > IN STARK constrast, we find what actually occurred was that people > | > just > | > | > bitched and complained until they find an OS which they need no > | > NOTHING > | > | > about to use, so they can pirate software and music, send emails, > view > | > | > nifty > | > | > Flash objects, steal DVD movies, watch TV programs on their > computer, > | > and > | > | > .... meanwhile, the intelligence level seems to have *fallen off > the > | > edge > | > | > of > | > | > the world*... > | > | > | > | Exactly my thesis. You want to force the computer world into such a > | > format > | > | that a user MUST learn. Quixotic at best. > | > | > | > | > | As I said, maybe when I get the time. But I don't see much in > the > | > way > | > of > | > | > | application support out there, much less hardware support. And > you > | > keep > | > | > | ignoring my main point: All your whining about dumb devices and > | > | > Microsoft's > | > | > | stealing (let's not be coy, we both know they do it), and > everything > | > | > else > | > | > is > | > | > | meaningless to me. A world built upon innumerable Linux distros > and > | > | > millions > | > | > | of independent programmers, and tons of tiny partnerships > between > | > | > | programmers and hardware developers... I don't want any part of > it. > | > I > | > | > *want* > | > | > | mass marketed and standardized products, even if they're dumb > and > | > | > crappy. > | > | > As > | > | > | does most of the world. That's where the tilting at windmills > part > | > comes > | > | > in, > | > | > | and I don't mean just you, I mean the whole utopian Linux crowd. > | > They > | > | > are > | > | > | invaluable to society, but they will never come near ruling it > | > except > | > in > | > | > | some self-satisfied sense of accomplishment. > | > | > > | > | > What application don't you find? What is it that you need to do > that > | > isn't > | > | > found in a Linux version or specific program? > | > | > | > | I already mentioned Photoshop. Add Illustrator. Add MS Access. And > in > | > any > | > | case, are you saying that the Linux crowd has it so together these > days > | > that > | > | one can write a single version of an application (or two or three, > max) > | > that > | > | will run near flawlessly on any modern Linux distro, WITHOUT having > to > | > | personally, manually, reprogram the OS to some certain extent? > | > | > | > | > SO you WANT to be forced every few years to buy a new computer and > | > | > devices, > | > | > you WANT to be forced to upgrade when support is pulled, you WANT > to > | > have > | > | > no > | > | > control on what your OS does, you WANT to ... well, the comment > would > | > | > usually be "lead by the nose". > | > | > | > | Yup, as part of the capitalist masses, that's exactly what I want. > | > | Idiot-proofing, with just enough leeway to customize as needed for > most > | > uses > | > | I could ever possibly want to put my machine to. Whether you like it > or > | > not, > | > | Windows provides just that. And I want NEW, NEW, NEW!!! Hey, you > talk > | > about > | > | the internet being intended to improve communications, seems to me > that > | > | YouTube, My Space, the older fashioned Chat rooms, et al, are > perfect > | > | examples of success. And all of these technologies change by the > minute, > | > | made possible for the most part by Windows. > | > | > | > | If it weren't for cheap, cobbled-together Windows, I'd never have > met > my > | > | wife in a Yahoo! Chat room, I'd never have been able to maintain a > | > courtship > | > | via ICQ for a year, and we'd never have been able to build what life > we > | > have > | > | together without Windows machines to run our HOME publishing > business. > | > | (Things were always such that a "normal" 9-5 life is impossible for > | > either > | > | of us.) > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | Now, I grant you that Linux lends itself to specialization, > which > | > could > | > | > be > | > | > | wonderful in large networks in large companies, and Linux is > perhaps > | > | > making > | > | > | inroads there. But I'm betting it's just as slow going as in the > | > | > | personal/SOHO market. Then again, you say we have no stats for > | > those. > | > | > > | > | > Gary, what all Windows user forget, is that Windows displaced > Unix, > | > Linux, > | > | > Xnix, IBM DOS, and variants from the home and business world. > Granted, > | > | > home > | > | > usage during that time period was infantismal. The FIRST Windows > was > | > used > | > | > because it looked GRAPHICAL. Everything used within it for NET use > | > came > | > | > from > | > | > third parties. Microsoft limped into the picture with a rediculous > | > | > browser... and that's about it. > | > | > | > | More irrelevant facts. So what? Microsoft MADE the internet what it > is > | > | today, by mass marketing stuff that the nerds all seemed to want to > keep > | > to > | > | themselves. (I don't think the vast majority of nerds really want > | > everyone > | > | else to be nerds. That would mean they aren't special anymore.) > | > | > | > | And your continuous harping on the fact that Microsoft built itself > | > through > | > | astute business deals and/or less reputable shenanigans, that's all > well > | > | known history. You're whining again. > | > | > | > | > Here's somethiing, how many servers RUNNING the Internet use a > | > Linux/Unix > | > | > or variant? > | > | > | > | Quite a few, maybe most of them. What's your point? I presume that > with > | > that > | > | upper case RUNNING, you weren't including servers that just dish > stuff > | > stuff > | > | out to people *using* the internet. Hey, I'd expect these > | > internet-RUNNING > | > | machines to be well-maintained and constantly monitored for any > | > problems, > | > to > | > | have a LOT of manpower devoted to keeping them online and clean. And > if > | > | they're so good, why can't they intervene to stop all possible > internet > | > | hacks? > | > | > | > | > What is the number one server being used to put hacks into > systems? > | > | > | > | Windows IIS, I would imagine. Don't forget the "biggest, easiest > target" > | > | paradigm. It is to be assumed that most such servers are also poorly > | > | maintained by less than perfectly knowledgable people. All in all, > easy > | > | targets for hackers. > | > | > | > | What's your point? That the internet would be safer if it didn't > allow > | > any > | > | users to use it without a college degree in maintaining and > programming > | > | computers? That they should at least be regulated and monitored, > like > | > | certain other professionals in our society? Man, just WHERE are you > | > going > | > to > | > | get these people? Or are you saying that if these were Linux servers > | > instead > | > | of Windows servers, internet hacks, D.O.S. attacks, etc., would > | > magically > | > | cease to occur? I don't buy that for one second. The key isn't the > | > operating > | > | system, it's the people who run/use them. But if you think you can > | > somehow > | > | coerce people into knowing what they're doing, first, by making it > | > | impossible to use a computer otherwise... Back to La Mancha you go. > | > | > | > | > | Still, I don't see those Web stats changing very quickly, nor > the > | > pace > | > | > of > | > | > | that change changing very quickly. And while you might quibble > with > | > them > | > | > a > | > | > | bit, you can't go changing them by orders of magnitude just on a > | > hunch > | > | > or > | > | > | based upon magazines, blogs, etc. The potential of Linux is and > | > always > | > | > has > | > | > > | > | > | been just that--potential. If you want to convince me that Linux > has > | > any > | > | > | near-term chance to save the world from XP, then let's have the > | > numbers. > | > | > | > | > | > | -- > | > | > | Gary S. Terhune > | > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User > | > | > | http://www.grystmill.com > | > | > > | > | > I'd suggest getting a better reference,,, like most sensible > people, > I > | > | > have > | > | > that site completely blocked, so that likely leaves JUST the usual > | > | > uninformed Windows user... > | > | > | > | Hey, PAY ATTENTION!!! I've been asking you over and over and over > again > | > for > | > | ANY such reference you can provide, and you apparently can't. Again, > why > | > do > | > | you block that site? For the same silly reason people fear tracking > | > cookies, > | > | scripts, etc.? You can't honestly be claiming thatt there's anything > | > | *malicious* at that site? > | > | > | > | -- > | > | Gary S. Terhune > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User > | > | http://www.grystmill.com > | > | > | > | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message > | > | > | news:O1wWd%23gwIHA.552@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > | > | > | > Wrong. The free Linux versions don't read into the sales > numbers > | > as > | > no > | > | > one > | > | > | > knows how many are being run... Windows information web sites > | > | > statistics > | > | > | > also are not reflective of use, nor are sites which REQUIRE > | > | > Microsoft's > | > | > | > browsers, Linux users run these in an envelope to make it > APPEAR > | > to > | > be > | > | > the > | > | > | > proper browser and OS is used.... > | > | > | > > | > | > | > I would suggest you actually spend some time finding out > about > | > Linux > | > | > | > before making comments on what it can or can not do. Microsoft > | > | > "borrows" > | > | > a > | > | > | > good percentage of its ideas FROM the Linux world, and > remember, > | > the > | > | > | > programmers for Linux must generally first pull the chip code > and > | > | > write > | > | > | > the > | > | > | > drivers from that information, for the most part, before they > can > | > | > | > implement > | > | > | > it. Moreover, as Microsoft and the hardware manufacturers now > work > | > to > | > | > | > create > | > | > | > ever dumber devices [making them OS supported only] it becomes > | > even > | > | > more > | > | > | > difficult for the Linux community to apply and support those > | > | > deliberately > | > | > | > DUMB devices.. > | > | > | > > | > | > | > Do some research... as my daughter says "Live Life > Illuminated" > or > | > you > | > | > can > | > | > | > remain in the dark, that's a personal choice you will make. > | > | > | > > | > | > | > -- > | > | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > | > | > | > -- > | > | > | > _________ > | > | > | > > | > | > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > | > | > | > news:O3zDBhfwIHA.2068@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > | > | > | > | That was harsh, and so I should add... Yes, 98 was great. > But > | > you > | > | > know > | > | > | > as > | > | > | > | well as I do that it had fatal flaws. It *had* to be > replaced. > | > Then > | > | > we > | > | > | > got > | > | > | > | what we got from MS, which I recognize as an attempt to > create > a > | > | > master > | > | > | > OS > | > | > | > | that would run in all kinds of "interwoven" devices. Nobody > else > | > has > | > | > | > come > | > | > | > | close to stepping up to the plate, yet. Numbers don't lie, > Linux > | > | > distros > | > | > | > are > | > | > | > | flat, and it's not like they aren't being marketed. Then > there's > | > the > | > | > | > most > | > | > | > | recent thing to decently boost Mac sales. The ability to run > | > Windows > | > | > XP > | > | > | > | decently using a VM! > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | -- > | > | > | > | Gary S. Terhune > | > | > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User > | > | > | > | http://www.grystmill.com > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > | > | > | > | news:%23dJr$aewIHA.4492@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > | > | > | > | > > | > | > | > | > "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message > | > | > | > | > news:%23bI12MdwIHA.3760@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > | > | > | > | >> Gary, you're wrong or uninformed. > | > | > | > | > > | > | > | > | > Hey, I'm just looking at the numbers. > | > | > | > | > > | > | > | > | >> Check out the comparisons to the newest Linux clones > verses > | > XP > | > | > [or > | > | > | > even > | > | > | > | >> VISTA]. You can't ignore where the world is moving. > Microsoft > | > | > doesn't > | > | > | > and > | > | > | > | >> is > | > | > | > | >> concerned. Between Apple and these clones, Microsoft has > to > | > rely > | > | > upon > | > | > | > | >> uniformed people to use its OSs, and coerce manufactures > to > | > | > follow > | > | > | > its > | > | > | > | >> designs, and force the use of its OSs. > | > | > | > | > > | > | > | > | > Again, the story is in the numbers -- FACTS. And again, > | > capitalism > | > | > is > | > | > | > a > | > | > | > | > FACT. The vast uninformed society is a FACT. Apple's > | > upper-level > | > | > | > quality > | > | > | > | > (and price) are FACTS. Microsoft's predatory practices are > | > FACTS. > | > | > I > | > | > | > don't > | > | > | > | > dispute that "the world is moving", but it's moving at a > | > snail's > | > | > pace > | > | > | > | > toward something nobody can yet foresee. > | > | > | > | > > | > | > | > | >> XP may suit your purposes, obviously it does, but that > means > | > | > little. > | > | > | > | > > | > | > | > | > Means a heck of a lot to me and everyone who uses it! > | > | > | > | > > | > | > | > | >> Wouldn't you rather run an OS which can be changed today, > | > rather > | > | > than > | > | > | > | >> waiting a month or never, to have something fixed. > | > | > | > | > > | > | > | > | > No. I would not want my machine used as a test box every > day. > | > | > | > | > > | > | > | > | >>Wouldn't you rather have > | > | > | > | >> manufacturers working WITH users, rather than with > Microsoft. > | > | > | > | > > | > | > | > | > Work with users in what way? I'd rather the hardware and > the > | > OS > | > | > code > | > | > | > got > | > | > | > | > along, thank you, and I don't think it should be the OS > | > getting > | > | > | > changed > | > | > | > | > every day in order to keep up with every whim of every > | > hardware > | > | > | > developer > | > | > | > | > out there, much less the hardware manufacturers' "users". > | > Again, > | > | > you > | > | > | > are > | > | > | > | > describing chaos. > | > | > | > | > > | > | > | > | >>Wouldn't you > | > | > | > | >> rather have thousands of code knowledgeable people > helping > to > | > | > protect > | > | > | > you > | > | > | > | >> [with the opposite of course, but that's in Windows also > so > | > the > | > | > | > | >> comparison > | > | > | > | >> is negated]. > | > | > | > | > > | > | > | > | > Where do you get these "thousands of code-knowledgeable > | > people"? > | > | > And > | > | > | > how > | > | > | > | > am I supposed to choose who to listen to? No, now that I > think > | > | > abou > | > | > | > tit, > | > | > | > | > the LAST thing I want is a bunch of "code-knowledgeable > | > people" > | > | > | > helping > | > | > | > | > me. I want other USERS helping me. I want the code people > to > | > busy > | > | > | > | > themselves keeping the code in good order and I want them > to > | > ALL > | > | > BE > | > | > ON > | > | > | > THE > | > | > | > | > SAME TEAM! > | > | > | > | > > | > | > | > | >> Don't you wonder why Windows is supposedly mostly a > secret > | > | > coding, > | > | > | > yet > | > | > | > | >> just > | > | > | > | >> about everyone can hack it [from 7 or 8 year olds up]? > Why > | > would > | > | > you > | > | > | > | >> support > | > | > | > | >> a system in which the key features cause numerous issues > of > | > their > | > | > | > own? > | > | > | > | > > | > | > | > | > No, I never wondered that. I knew the answer without > having > to > | > | > | > actually > | > | > | > | > ask the question. It's akin to a law of nature. But you > imply > | > that > | > | > the > | > | > | > | > other OSes are hack proof, or inherently less insecure, > that > | > they > | > | > are > | > | > | > | > without faults in logic, without vulnerabilities just as > nasty > | > as > | > | > the > | > | > | > ones > | > | > | > | > you bemoan in WIndows, and that's a crock. > | > | > | > | > > | > | > | > | > And you still don't get it -- I have no big attachment to > XP > | > other > | > | > | > than > | > | > | > | > it's what gets the job done for me and none of the others > | > could > | > | > come > | > | > | > | > close. My only other observation is that XP/Vista appear > to > be > | > | > | > maintaining > | > | > | > | > their share, or losing it at a snails pace at worst, and > that > | > this > | > | > is > | > | > | > due > | > | > | > | > to basic capitalism. Microsoft, or anyone who seeks to > replace > | > | > them, > | > | > | > need > | > | > | > | > a brand new bag altogether, but I prefer the current state > of > | > | > affairs > | > | > | > to > | > | > | > | > the chaos you describe. > | > | > | > | > > | > | > | > | >> Ask yourself why you WOULD ignore these things, why you > fight > | > so > | > | > | > | >> desperately to further an OS which you admit is not what > it > | > | > purports > | > | > | > to > | > | > | > | >> be.... Your ideas and arguments fall flat, by your own > | > | > writings... > | > | > | > | > > | > | > | > | > How is it that you keep seeing me as "fighting" for > | > | > XP/Vista/whatever? > | > | > | > I > | > | > | > | > have no dog in this fight. I just want the winner when the > | > dust > | > | > | > settles. > | > | > | > | > For the last several years, that's been Windows XP and now > | > this > | > | > | > mongrel > | > | > | > | > Vista. > | > | > | > | > > | > | > | > | >> Gary, the reason I'M here, is I have a small part in this > | > monster > | > | > | > called > | > | > | > | >> Microsoft. I participated in the very earliest stages, > | > provided > | > | > the > | > | > | > error > | > | > | > | >> reports and suggestions, downloaded by long distance and > at > | > MY > | > | > cost > | > | > | > the > | > | > | > | >> files by 2400 then 14.4 then 33.6 modem, defended > [verbally] > | > the > | > | > | > parties > | > | > | > | >> who > | > | > | > | >> brought windows to the business world and were FIRED AND > SUED > | > for > | > | > | > doing > | > | > | > | >> so, > | > | > | > | >> did the beta testing until Microsoft started CHARGING > [how > | > dense > | > | > am > | > | > | > I, > | > | > | > ah > | > | > | > | >> yeah, I supply the computer system which Microsoft > trashes > | > and > | > | > which > | > | > | > I > | > | > | > | >> PAY > | > | > | > | >> to have trashed] and a number of other things which I now > | > | > regret.... > | > | > | > no > | > | > | > | >> matter how trivial or insignificant my part or input was, > | > this > | > 9X > | > | > | > | >> environment is something I participated in and THOUGHT > the > | > world > | > | > | > needed > | > | > | > | >> [it > | > | > | > | >> was, it brought computing to the masses as you indicate]. > The > | > NT > | > | > | > | >> environment, which I also worked with though NEVER > | > recommended, > | > | > has, > | > | > | > per > | > | > | > | >> my > | > | > | > | >> own testing, never been a good replacement for Unix or > other > | > | > servers. > | > | > | > | >> That > | > | > | > | >> it was forced into the home environment under false > pretences > | > is > | > | > | > | >> something I > | > | > | > | >> can not support. My position on XP was stated YEARS ago > in > | > this > | > | > | > group, > | > | > | > I > | > | > | > | >> will never recommend it unless something changes, which > SP3 > | > did > | > | > not > | > | > | > | >> completely do. > | > | > | > | > > | > | > | > | > As PA Bear implied, you tend toward the Quixotic. I don't > care > | > | > about > | > | > | > your > | > | > | > | > theories and academic opinions, your howling in the night. > | > Your > | > | > | > worldview > | > | > | > | > is at odds with reality. > | > | > | > | > > | > | > | > | > -- > | > | > | > | > Gary S. Terhune > | > | > | > | > MS-MVP Shell/User > | > | > | > | > http://www.grystmill.com > | > | > | > | > > | > | > > | > | > -- > | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > | > | > -- > | > | > _________ > | > | > > | > | > > | > | > > | > | > > | > | > | > > | > > | > >
Guest Angel Posted May 31, 2008 Posted May 31, 2008 Re: IE Running well so far Gary, It is the one you sent on the CD, "Protection Applications". When I did the Explorer for the folder, "Spyblaster", it says "Spyblaster setup 351.exe" Under date 9/17/06. How do I get the 4.0 version? Angel "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message news:OV15eVrwIHA.2068@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... : Might want to make sure it's the latest version, 4.0, then install it. It's : pretty straight-forward. Requires a restart. Then run the app, and in the : Welcome dialog, click Next, choose Manual Updating, click Next, then click : Finish. : : Now, click Updates on the left column, then the Check for Updates button. : When the updating finishes, click on Protection Status at left and then at : the bottom, under Quick Tasks, Enable All Protection. : : Do that every week or two. : : -- : Gary S. Terhune : MS-MVP Shell/User : http://www.grystmill.com : : : "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message : news:%2310SGjqwIHA.1436@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... : > Yes Gary, : > I found it, but I never installed it. I have to figure out the : > instructions. I read the text but have to read it again. : > Angel : > : > "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message : > news:eg%23zpGqwIHA.2292@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... : > : No Gary, I do not have SypwareBlaster installed. I don't even think I : > have : > : it. : > : : > : Angel : > : : > : "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message : > : news:Od9njRpwIHA.1436@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... : > : : You're fine, except you left out one very important app -- : > SypwareBlaster. : > : : You DO have that installed, don't you? And you keep it up to date? : > : : : > : : -- : > : : Gary S. Terhune : > : : MS-MVP Shell/User : > : : http://www.grystmill.com : > : : : > : : "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message : > : : news:%23Fraq3owIHA.3384@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... : > : : > Yeah Gary, she sure could use the exercise. Send them anytime. We : > are : > : : > beginning to call her "Fat Cat" instead of "Streaker". George says : > she : > : is : > : : > a : > : : > Bowling Ball with legs! She was fat when I got her. Right now, she : > is : > : : > sleeping on my old Contour chair. The chair does not adjust very : > well : > : : > anymore, most of the time it only has one position. It needs a new : > one. : > : I : > : : > bought it long before I retired 16 years ago. : > : : > : > : : > I uninstalled the AdAware last night. So far, no problems because I : > : : > uninstalled it. I still have Avast! and Spybot 1.4. I have not : > updated : > : the : > : : > Spybot lately. I just don't know which updates to use. : > : : > : > : : > Angel : > : : > : > : : > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message : > : : > news:%23sy$sobwIHA.5520@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... : > : : > : I can send you a poodle or two to chase teh cat. Keep it busy. : > : : > : : > : : > : -- : > : : > : Gary S. Terhune : > : : > : MS-MVP Shell/User : > : : > : http://www.grystmill.com : > : : > : : > : : > : "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message : > : : > : news:uXJrWPZwIHA.524@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... : > : : > : > Yes, I already knew that it will take a while for the pain to : > : subside. : > : : > : > Even : > : : > : > the pain pills don't work that well. Gary, I am prepared for a : > long : > : : > hall, : > : : > : > but you know I do not give up or in easily. You are not : > pessimistic : > : : > only : > : : > : > truthful. This is no picnic, if you know what I mean. : > : : > : > : > : : > : > My cat is on the footstool I am trying to use. She takes up most : > of : > : : > the : > : : > : > footstool. Since I got home, she does not let me out of her : > sight. : > I : > : : > : > finally : > : : > : > got her to move off the stool. How? I picked her up and put her : > off. : > : : > She : > : : > : > did : > : : > : > not accept that. I had to do it again. She is stubborn and don't : > : give : > : : > up : > : : > : > easily neither. : > : : > : > : > : : > : > Angel : > : : > : > : > : : > : > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message : > : : > : > news:eeK3b$RwIHA.1504@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... : > : : > : > : Sounds like you need someone who can follow instructions and : > has : > a : > : : > good : > : : > : > back : > : : > : > : to get in there and help you rearrange things to your comfort. : > : After : > : : > : > all, : > : : > : > : these pains aren't going to go away real soon (sorry to be : > : : > pessimistic, : > : : > : > but : > : : > : > : I'd rather you got comfy ASAP.) : > : : > : > : : > : : > : > : As for standing on one's head while standing in one's head... : > I : > : used : > : : > to : > : : > : > do : > : : > : > : that on a regular basis, <bg>. : > : : > : > : : > : : > : > : -- : > : : > : > : Gary S. Terhune : > : : > : > : MS-MVP Shell/User : > : : > : > : http://www.grystmill.com : > : : > : > : : > : : > : > : "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message : > : : > : > : news:ucwOR8RwIHA.2208@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... : > : : > : > : > Gary, how would that be possible! "Standing in my head"? I : > never : > : : > would : > : : > : > try : > : : > : > : > that! I don't even think I could stand ON my head not alone : > IN : > : my : > : : > : > head!! : > : : > : > : > Have you tried it? HaHaHa!! : > : : > : > : > : > : : > : > : > I do use a foot stool, when I can in front of the computer. : > My : > : cat : > : : > and : > : : > : > I : > : : > : > : > argue over it. She decided to take it over. I also use the : > arm : > : of : > : : > the : > : : > : > : > office : > : : > : > : > chair for my arm, it relieves the shoulder pain some. : > : : > : > : > : > : : > : > : > Angel : > : : > : > : > : > : : > : > : > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message : > : : > : > : > news:e0vC6MRwIHA.524@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... : > : : > : > : > : Knowing Angel the way I do, I think she should try : > standing : > in : > : : > her : > : : > : > head, : > : : > : > : > : <eg>. : > : : > : > : > : : > : : > : > : > : -- : > : : > : > : > : Gary S. Terhune : > : : > : > : > : MS-MVP Shell/User : > : : > : > : > : http://www.grystmill.com : > : : > : > : > : : > : : > : > : > : "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message : > : : > : > : > : news:483dd8cc$0$11631$607ed4bc@cv.net... : > : : > : > : > : > Angel, If you just put a ottoman or stool with pillow or : > : towel : > : : > in : > : : > : > : > front : > : : > : > : > of : > : : > : > : > : > you at the : > : : > : > : > : > computer, it can work just as well as above the heart. : > Of : > : : > course, : > : : > : > : > laying : > : : > : > : > : > down with : > : : > : > : > : > feet elevated is optimal but no one really expects you : > to : > do : > : : > that. : > : : > : > : > Sorry : > : : > : > : > : > for your : > : : > : > : > : > problems. Ginny R.N. : > : : > : > : > : > "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message : > : : > : > : > : > news:%23la3KVQwIHA.1980@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... : > : : > : > : > : >> Hi Gary, : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : : > : > : > : >> Doing pretty good. Don't stay on the computer very long : > at : > : a : > : : > : > time. : > : : > : > : > Still : > : : > : > : > : >> trouble with the shoulder not cooperating. The ankle : > swells : > : : > up : > : : > : > quite : > : : > : > : > a : > : : > : > : > : >> bit. : > : : > : > : > : >> Supposed to keep the leg elevated above the heart to : > keep : > : the : > : : > : > : > swelling : > : : > : > : > : >> down, : > : : > : > : > : >> yeah right! Should I stand on my head? : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : : > : > : > : >> When you go to yahoo! mail, you go to Options and : > follow : > : the : > : : > : > : > directions : > : : > : > : > : >> under Preferences and you get it in text and when you : > get : > : the : > : : > : > mail, : > : : > : > : > you : > : : > : > : > : >> can : > : : > : > : > : >> go to the bottom of the page and hit HTML or at the top : > of : > : : > the : > : : > : > email : > : : > : > : > and : > : : > : > : > : >> hit : > : : > : > : > : >> the show images. EASY! : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : : > : > : > : >> Angel : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : : > : > : > : >> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message : > : : > : > : > : >> news:%23gbu8CHwIHA.4376@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... : > : : > : > : > : >> : Hi, Angel! How ya doin'? I didn't know that about : > Yahoo! : > : : > Mail. : > : : > : > : > : >> : : > : : > : > : > : >> : -- : > : : > : > : > : >> : Gary S. Terhune : > : : > : > : > : >> : MS-MVP Shell/User : > : : > : > : > : >> : http://www.grystmill.com : > : : > : > : > : >> : : > : : > : > : > : >> : : > : : > : > : > : >> : "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message : > : : > : > : > : >> : news:%23IMYJiEwIHA.5096@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... : > : : > : > : > : >> : > Hi all, : > : : > : > : > : >> : > You can also use that method in the yahoo web mail. : > : : > : > : > : >> : > Angel : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message : > : : > : > : > : >> : > news:OThQZYDwIHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : If you follow proper security habits, including : > : setting : > : : > : > email : > : : > : > : > apps : > : : > : > : > : >> to : > : : > : > : > : >> : > only : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : read messages in Plain Text, you never have to : > worry : > : : > about : > : : > : > any : > : : > : > : > : >> viruses : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : getting in. Doesn't matter what client you use. : > If : > : you : > : : > get : > : : > : > a : > : : > : > : > POS : > : : > : > : > : >> HTML : > : : > : > : > : >> : > email : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : that can't be read in PT, and you trust the : > source, : > : : > then : > : : > : > you : > : : > : > : > can : > : : > : > : > : >> change : > : : > : > : > : >> : > to : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : view in HTML (in OE, anyway.) : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : -- : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : Gary S. Terhune : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : MS-MVP Shell/User : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : http://www.grystmill.com : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : <letterman@invalid.com> wrote in message : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : : > news:2ooo34t082va22nc9rv0np3cr5sf9ckjhm@4ax.com... : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > I should have mentioned that Outlook Express is : > : very : > : : > poor : > : : > : > : > : >> software : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > that will allow viruses to infect your : > computer. : > I : > : : > wont : > : : > : > even : > : : > : > : > : >> allow : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > that POS on my computer. I deleted the entire : > : : > directory : > : : > : > many : > : : > : > : > : >> years : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > ago. I'd highly recommend finding another : > email : > : : > software : > : : > : > as : > : : > : > : > well : > : : > : > : > : >> as : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > another usenet software. (some do both, such as : > the : > : : > newer : > : : > : > : > : >> versions : > : : > : > : > : >> of : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > Agent). : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : : > : > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : : > : : > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : > : : > : > : : > : : > : > : > : : > : > : > : : > : : > : : > : > : : > : > : : : > : : > : : > : > :
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted May 31, 2008 Posted May 31, 2008 Re: IE Running well so far Google is your friend. But here's the manufacturer's links: Info: http://www.javacoolsoftware.com/spywareblaster.html Download: http://www.javacoolsoftware.com/sbdownload.html -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message news:eLU4ZrzwIHA.5832@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > Gary, > > It is the one you sent on the CD, "Protection Applications". When I did > the > Explorer for the folder, "Spyblaster", it says "Spyblaster setup 351.exe" > Under date 9/17/06. How do I get the 4.0 version? > > Angel > > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > news:OV15eVrwIHA.2068@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > : Might want to make sure it's the latest version, 4.0, then install it. > It's > : pretty straight-forward. Requires a restart. Then run the app, and in > the > : Welcome dialog, click Next, choose Manual Updating, click Next, then > click > : Finish. > : > : Now, click Updates on the left column, then the Check for Updates > button. > : When the updating finishes, click on Protection Status at left and then > at > : the bottom, under Quick Tasks, Enable All Protection. > : > : Do that every week or two. > : > : -- > : Gary S. Terhune > : MS-MVP Shell/User > : http://www.grystmill.com > : > : > : "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message > : news:%2310SGjqwIHA.1436@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > : > Yes Gary, > : > I found it, but I never installed it. I have to figure out the > : > instructions. I read the text but have to read it again. > : > Angel > : > > : > "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message > : > news:eg%23zpGqwIHA.2292@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > : > : No Gary, I do not have SypwareBlaster installed. I don't even think > I > : > have > : > : it. > : > : > : > : Angel > : > : > : > : "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > : > : news:Od9njRpwIHA.1436@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > : > : : You're fine, except you left out one very important app -- > : > SypwareBlaster. > : > : : You DO have that installed, don't you? And you keep it up to date? > : > : : > : > : : -- > : > : : Gary S. Terhune > : > : : MS-MVP Shell/User > : > : : http://www.grystmill.com > : > : : > : > : : "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message > : > : : news:%23Fraq3owIHA.3384@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > : > : : > Yeah Gary, she sure could use the exercise. Send them anytime. > We > : > are > : > : : > beginning to call her "Fat Cat" instead of "Streaker". George > says > : > she > : > : is > : > : : > a > : > : : > Bowling Ball with legs! She was fat when I got her. Right now, > she > : > is > : > : : > sleeping on my old Contour chair. The chair does not adjust very > : > well > : > : : > anymore, most of the time it only has one position. It needs a > new > : > one. > : > : I > : > : : > bought it long before I retired 16 years ago. > : > : : > > : > : : > I uninstalled the AdAware last night. So far, no problems > because > I > : > : : > uninstalled it. I still have Avast! and Spybot 1.4. I have not > : > updated > : > : the > : > : : > Spybot lately. I just don't know which updates to use. > : > : : > > : > : : > Angel > : > : : > > : > : : > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > : > : : > news:%23sy$sobwIHA.5520@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > : > : : > : I can send you a poodle or two to chase teh cat. Keep it busy. > : > : : > : > : > : : > : -- > : > : : > : Gary S. Terhune > : > : : > : MS-MVP Shell/User > : > : : > : http://www.grystmill.com > : > : : > : > : > : : > : "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message > : > : : > : news:uXJrWPZwIHA.524@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > : > : : > : > Yes, I already knew that it will take a while for the pain > to > : > : subside. > : > : : > : > Even > : > : : > : > the pain pills don't work that well. Gary, I am prepared > for > a > : > long > : > : : > hall, > : > : : > : > but you know I do not give up or in easily. You are not > : > pessimistic > : > : : > only > : > : : > : > truthful. This is no picnic, if you know what I mean. > : > : : > : > > : > : : > : > My cat is on the footstool I am trying to use. She takes up > most > : > of > : > : : > the > : > : : > : > footstool. Since I got home, she does not let me out of her > : > sight. > : > I > : > : : > : > finally > : > : : > : > got her to move off the stool. How? I picked her up and put > her > : > off. > : > : : > She > : > : : > : > did > : > : : > : > not accept that. I had to do it again. She is stubborn and > don't > : > : give > : > : : > up > : > : : > : > easily neither. > : > : : > : > > : > : : > : > Angel > : > : : > : > > : > : : > : > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > : > : : > : > news:eeK3b$RwIHA.1504@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > : > : : > : > : Sounds like you need someone who can follow instructions > and > : > has > : > a > : > : : > good > : > : : > : > back > : > : : > : > : to get in there and help you rearrange things to your > comfort. > : > : After > : > : : > : > all, > : > : : > : > : these pains aren't going to go away real soon (sorry to be > : > : : > pessimistic, > : > : : > : > but > : > : : > : > : I'd rather you got comfy ASAP.) > : > : : > : > : > : > : : > : > : As for standing on one's head while standing in one's > head... > : > I > : > : used > : > : : > to > : > : : > : > do > : > : : > : > : that on a regular basis, <bg>. > : > : : > : > : > : > : : > : > : -- > : > : : > : > : Gary S. Terhune > : > : : > : > : MS-MVP Shell/User > : > : : > : > : http://www.grystmill.com > : > : : > : > : > : > : : > : > : "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message > : > : : > : > : news:ucwOR8RwIHA.2208@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > : > : : > : > : > Gary, how would that be possible! "Standing in my head"? > I > : > never > : > : : > would > : > : : > : > try > : > : : > : > : > that! I don't even think I could stand ON my head not > alone > : > IN > : > : my > : > : : > : > head!! > : > : : > : > : > Have you tried it? HaHaHa!! > : > : : > : > : > > : > : : > : > : > I do use a foot stool, when I can in front of the > computer. > : > My > : > : cat > : > : : > and > : > : : > : > I > : > : : > : > : > argue over it. She decided to take it over. I also use > the > : > arm > : > : of > : > : : > the > : > : : > : > : > office > : > : : > : > : > chair for my arm, it relieves the shoulder pain some. > : > : : > : > : > > : > : : > : > : > Angel > : > : : > : > : > > : > : : > : > : > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > : > : : > : > : > news:e0vC6MRwIHA.524@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > : > : : > : > : > : Knowing Angel the way I do, I think she should try > : > standing > : > in > : > : : > her > : > : : > : > head, > : > : : > : > : > : <eg>. > : > : : > : > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : -- > : > : : > : > : > : Gary S. Terhune > : > : : > : > : > : MS-MVP Shell/User > : > : : > : > : > : http://www.grystmill.com > : > : : > : > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message > : > : : > : > : > : news:483dd8cc$0$11631$607ed4bc@cv.net... > : > : : > : > : > : > Angel, If you just put a ottoman or stool with > pillow > or > : > : towel > : > : : > in > : > : : > : > : > front > : > : : > : > : > of > : > : : > : > : > : > you at the > : > : : > : > : > : > computer, it can work just as well as above the > heart. > : > Of > : > : : > course, > : > : : > : > : > laying > : > : : > : > : > : > down with > : > : : > : > : > : > feet elevated is optimal but no one really expects > you > : > to > : > do > : > : : > that. > : > : : > : > : > Sorry > : > : : > : > : > : > for your > : > : : > : > : > : > problems. Ginny R.N. > : > : : > : > : > : > "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message > : > : : > : > : > : > news:%23la3KVQwIHA.1980@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > : > : : > : > : > : >> Hi Gary, > : > : : > : > : > : >> > : > : : > : > : > : >> Doing pretty good. Don't stay on the computer very > long > : > at > : > : a > : > : : > : > time. > : > : : > : > : > Still > : > : : > : > : > : >> trouble with the shoulder not cooperating. The > ankle > : > swells > : > : : > up > : > : : > : > quite > : > : : > : > : > a > : > : : > : > : > : >> bit. > : > : : > : > : > : >> Supposed to keep the leg elevated above the heart > to > : > keep > : > : the > : > : : > : > : > swelling > : > : : > : > : > : >> down, > : > : : > : > : > : >> yeah right! Should I stand on my head? > : > : : > : > : > : >> > : > : : > : > : > : >> When you go to yahoo! mail, you go to Options and > : > follow > : > : the > : > : : > : > : > directions > : > : : > : > : > : >> under Preferences and you get it in text and when > you > : > get > : > : the > : > : : > : > mail, > : > : : > : > : > you > : > : : > : > : > : >> can > : > : : > : > : > : >> go to the bottom of the page and hit HTML or at the > top > : > of > : > : : > the > : > : : > : > email > : > : : > : > : > and > : > : : > : > : > : >> hit > : > : : > : > : > : >> the show images. EASY! > : > : : > : > : > : >> > : > : : > : > : > : >> Angel > : > : : > : > : > : >> > : > : : > : > : > : >> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > : > : : > : > : > : >> news:%23gbu8CHwIHA.4376@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > : > : : > : > : > : >> : Hi, Angel! How ya doin'? I didn't know that about > : > Yahoo! > : > : : > Mail. > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : -- > : > : : > : > : > : >> : Gary S. Terhune > : > : : > : > : > : >> : MS-MVP Shell/User > : > : : > : > : > : >> : http://www.grystmill.com > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message > : > : : > : > : > : >> : news:%23IMYJiEwIHA.5096@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > Hi all, > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > You can also use that method in the yahoo web > mail. > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > Angel > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > news:OThQZYDwIHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : If you follow proper security habits, > including > : > : setting > : > : : > : > email > : > : : > : > : > apps > : > : : > : > : > : >> to > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > only > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : read messages in Plain Text, you never have > to > : > worry > : > : : > about > : > : : > : > any > : > : : > : > : > : >> viruses > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : getting in. Doesn't matter what client you > use. > : > If > : > : you > : > : : > get > : > : : > : > a > : > : : > : > : > POS > : > : : > : > : > : >> HTML > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > email > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : that can't be read in PT, and you trust the > : > source, > : > : : > then > : > : : > : > you > : > : : > : > : > can > : > : : > : > : > : >> change > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > to > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : view in HTML (in OE, anyway.) > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : -- > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : Gary S. Terhune > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : MS-MVP Shell/User > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : http://www.grystmill.com > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : <letterman@invalid.com> wrote in message > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > : > news:2ooo34t082va22nc9rv0np3cr5sf9ckjhm@4ax.com... > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > I should have mentioned that Outlook > Express > is > : > : very > : > : : > poor > : > : : > : > : > : >> software > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > that will allow viruses to infect your > : > computer. > : > I > : > : : > wont > : > : : > : > even > : > : : > : > : > : >> allow > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > that POS on my computer. I deleted the > entire > : > : : > directory > : > : : > : > many > : > : : > : > : > : >> years > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > ago. I'd highly recommend finding another > : > email > : > : : > software > : > : : > : > as > : > : : > : > : > well > : > : : > : > : > : >> as > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > another usenet software. (some do both, > such > as > : > the > : > : : > newer > : > : : > : > : > : >> versions > : > : : > : > : > : >> of > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > Agent). > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > : : > : > : > : >> > : > : : > : > : > : >> > : > : : > : > : > : > > : > : : > : > : > : > > : > : : > : > : > : > : > : : > : > : > > : > : : > : > : > > : > : : > : > : > : > : : > : > > : > : : > : > > : > : : > : > : > : : > > : > : : > > : > : : > : > : > : > : > : > > : > > : > >
Guest MEB Posted May 31, 2008 Posted May 31, 2008 Re: IE Running well so far Finally had some time to look at IE6.0sp1-KB823353-x86-ENU The main files that would be apparently updated are: 6.00.2800.1441 - inetcomm.dll - via upgrade 6.00.2800.1409 - via WU 6.00.2800.1437 - msoe.dll - via update 6.00.2800.1409 - via WU 6.00.2800.1450 - wab32.dll - via update 6.00.2800.1409 - via WU Of course that now means that we are basically recommending non-official updating, though it IS based upon prior updates provided and installed by WU as I posted showing the iuhist.xml. I checked using the OE About screen, see if this is confirmed [i haven't installed it yet as this would potentially affect present tests]. We could also use some verification of versions by others. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com -- _________ "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:eDlZzcJwIHA.3384@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... | Sounds like the plan... | | I'll have to check to see if that was one of those extra needed files that | I had listed on the web page..if not, it will be | | -- | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | -- | _________ | | "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | news:erGCAzGwIHA.1772@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... | | After reading the KB more closely, what KB823353 really says is that it | does | | is get rid of one of minor nuisance introduced by KB837009 -- like that | | famous wandering "~" file, but also another vulnerability in IE5.5SP1. | Other | | than that, it apparently includes everything in KB837009. IOW, it does | | replace the "previous" patch entirely. (I looked inside, they look nearly | | identical.) So what happened, probably, is that reinstalling standard | IE6SP1 | | over whatever she already had installed (including KB823353) caused a | mix-up | | that had WU seeing KB837009 as required, not noting that KB823353 was | | already present. Reinstalling KB837009 was only necessary in order to stop | | WU from wanting to install it (and it fails silently). | | | | I'm thinking that while it wasn't necessary to reinstall KB837009, except | to | | stop any nagging by WU, it was a good idea to reinstall KB823353. As for | PA | | Bear's encounter, it sound's like that was an XP machine or it had an | | unofficial patch installed, then reinstalled IE or something similar and | ran | | into the same issue, just with later versions. | | | | Anyway, I'm adding KB823353 to my Updates CDs just as soon as another CD | | burning session is called for, which will be pretty soon. | | | | -- | | Gary S. Terhune | | MS-MVP Shell/User | | http://www.grystmill.com | | | | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | | news:%23WJibtEwIHA.4848@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... | | > Agreed, makes no sense except for the issues involved with its | | > installation. | | > | | > Issues related to its installation > end of support > remove it from WU. | | > | | > This isn't the only file/update previously offered via WU, now "missing | in | | > action". | | > | | > -- | | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | | > -- | | > _________ | | > | | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | | > news:%23Jb$dmDwIHA.516@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... | | > | Makes no sense, part deux... | | > | | | > | Result is that KB823353 is not considered a Critical Update and thus | | > | shouldn't appear at WU. Yet it is listed as a replacement for KB837009 | | > which | | > | IS a Critical Update (and apparently for good reason.) | | > | | | > | The SecUp CD precedes these Updates by a good two years. Shouldn't be | | > any | | > | part of the problem. | | > | | | > | -- | | > | Gary S. Terhune | | > | MS-MVP Shell/User | | > | http://www.grystmill.com | | > | | | > | "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | | > | news:%23OnszBDwIHA.1980@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... | | > | > Only thing I can glean from that is that I see why the switch listed | | > in | | > | > that exchange I linked to didn't work: It's /n:v, not /nv. | | > | > | | > | > I dunno, I'm tired of it. There have been too many different | versions | | > of | | > | > IE/OE installed on the machine, starting with AOHell ten years ago | and | | > | > ending with whatever her cable ISP installed. In any case, my test | | > machine | | > | > is a mess from playing with that Auto-Patcher, and yet it would seem | | > that | | > | > Windows Updates is not offering the some updates that it should be. | | > 837009 | | > | > is the latest one for OE, and even during all the testing I did when | | > | > putting together the Updates packages, I never saw any of these | later | | > | > versions, even though they're supposed to be offered by WU. | | > | > | | > | > -- | | > | > Gary S. Terhune | | > | > MS-MVP Shell/User | | > | > http://www.grystmill.com | | > | > | | > | > "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | | > | > news:uQnf5zCwIHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... | | > | >> 837009 is listed on this system. The only 82**** in Add/Remove I | | > | >> presently | | > | >> have is 823559. Its not shown in IE or iuhist either. Would this be | | > | >> related | | > | >> to the SecCD usage perhaps? | | > | >> | | > | >> I agree, if that was, in fact, the supposed update/supercede, then | | > that | | > | >> is | | > | >> what should be offered. There were installation issues associated | | > with | | > | >> it, | | > | >> so MAYBE Microsoft determined it would just delete/not offer it or | | > SecCD | | > | >> somehow over-rides installation. It did, however, appear in the old | | > | >> installations [not SecCD updated] documented in 2006. | | > | >> | | > | >> Affected Software: | | > | >> . Microsoft Windows NT® Workstation 4.0 Service Pack 6a | | > | >> . Microsoft Windows NT Server 4.0 Service Pack 6a | | > | >> . Microsoft Windows NT Server 4.0 Terminal Server Edition Service | | > Pack | | > 6 | | > | >> . Microsoft Windows 2000 Service Pack 2, Microsoft Windows 2000 | | > Service | | > | >> Pack | | > | >> 3, Microsoft Windows 2000 Service Pack 4 | | > | >> . Microsoft Windows XP and Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 1 | | > | >> . Microsoft Windows XP 64-Bit Edition Service Pack 1 | | > | >> . Microsoft Windows XP 64-Bit Edition Version 2003 | | > | >> . Microsoft Windows ServerT 2003 | | > | >> . Microsoft Windows Server 2003 64-Bit Edition | | > | >> . Microsoft Windows 98, Microsoft Windows 98 Second Edition (SE), | and | | > | >> Microsoft Windows Millennium Edition (Me) - Review the FAQ section | of | | > | >> this | | > | >> bulletin for details about these operating systems. | | > | >> | | > | >> INFORMATION/DATA saved for 823353 shows [02/07 and 02/16 of 2006]: | | > | >> | | > | >>> Answering to PA Bear, now with 887797 and 897715 missing, 823353 | is | | > the | | > | >> only | | > | >>> reported update by Windows update... | | > | >>> | | > | >>> msoe.dll and inetcomm.dll are now 6.00.2800.1478 while wab32.dll | is | | > | >>> 6.00.2800.1106. | | > | >> | | > | >> Well, msoe.dll and inetcomm.dll have the version numbers of the | files | | > | >> contained in KB887797 *not* KB823353 while the wab32.dll is the | | > version | | > | >> coming with plain SP1 (no KB823353 nor KB887797 installed). You | have | | > | >> a "wonderful" mix of versions there on your machine right now :-/ | | > | >> | | > | >> So I stress you to install KB823353 with the /n:v parameter once | | > | >> again (IE6.0sp1-KB823353-x86-ENU.exe /n:v). Please try this one in | | > | >> normal mode, *not* safe mode. Afterwards please compare the | versions | | > | >> of the following files with the ones on your machine - yes, *all* | | > | >> of them! In the brackets you can find the version and date of the | | > | >> files wich are contained in KB823353: | | > | >> | | > | >> directdb.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 03.03.2003) | | > | >> inetcomm.dll (6.0.2800.1441 - 07.06.2004) | | > | >> inetres.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004) | | > | >> msident.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004) | | > | >> msimn.exe (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004) | | > | >> msoe.dll (6.0.2800.1437 - 26.05.2004) | | > | >> msoeacct.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004) | | > | >> msoeres.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004) | | > | >> msoert2.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 03.03.2003) | | > | >> oeimport.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004) | | > | >> oemig50.exe (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004) | | > | >> oemiglib.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004) | | > | >> wab32.dll (6.0.2800.1450 - 24.06.2004) | | > | >> wab.exe (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004) | | > | >> wabfind.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004) | | > | >> wabimp.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004) | | > | >> wabmig.exe (6.0.2800.1123 - 03.03.2003) | | > | >> | | > | >> Could you please afterwards open Internet Explorer, have look in | | > | >> "? -> Info" and please post *all* what's listet there behind and | | > | >> under the "Update Version" section? Yes *all* these "Q......"'s. | | > | >> | | > | >> AND: | | > | >> | | > | >> Date: Fri, Dec 16 2005 1:39 pm | | > | >> From: "PA Bear" | | > | >> | | > | >> Thanks, Freudi. | | > | >> | | > | >> Dimitri, here's another description of how to do what Freudi's | asked | | > you | | > | >> to | | > | >> try: | | > | >> | | > | >> <paste> | | > | >> Close OE. Clear History, delete Cookies and delete Temporary | | > Internet | | > | >> Files | | > | >> via IE: Tools > Options > General, then... | | > | >> | | > | >> 1. Download the Cumulative Security Update for Outlook Express 6 | | > Service | | > | >> Pack 1 (KB823353; all OSS) from the following link, saving it to | your | | > | >> Desktop: | | > | >> | | > | >> | | > | http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=AD6A96BC-DAF0-4EAB-89B8-BD702B3E3E5D&displaylang=en | | > | >> | | > | >> (or http://snipurl.com/8x9i) | | > | >> | | > | >> [ Optional: 2. Restart the computer in Safe Mode. (During the | | > reboot, | | > | >> keep | | > | >> pressing the F8 key until the Windows Startup menu appears > Choose | | > Safe | | > | >> Mode > Enter.) ] | | > | >> | | > | >> 3. Rename the downloaded file to KB823353.EXE and copy it to C:\ | (the | | > | >> root | | > | >> directory of drive C; assumes drive C is the boot drive) | | > | >> | | > | >> 4. Start > Run > (type in) C:\KB823353.EXE /N:V (Note the space) > | | > press | | > | >> ENTER | | > | >> | | > | >> 5. Close the command window. | | > | >> | | > | >> 6. Reboot [into Windows] and then check in at Windows Update to see | | > | >> KB823353 | | > | >> is still offered. | | > | >> </paste> | | > | >> | | > | >> Don't install any other OE updates, just answer #6 above and either | | > state | | > | >> the current versions of MSOE.DLL and INETCOMM.DLL or post your | reply | | > | >> using | | > | >> OE instead of the web interface. | | > | >> ~PA Bear | | > | >> | | > | >> Ottmar Freudenberger wrote: | | > | >> <snip> | | > | >>> Okay, so you've skipped the steps I've mentioned after having | | > KB823353 | | > | >>> installed? ;-) | | > | >>> | | > | >>> Uninstall them (KB887797 and KB897715) once again please. | | > | >>> | | > | >>> After you've unistalled them, try to install KB823353 with the | | > parameter | | > | >>> "/n:v". | | > | >>> Assuming you've saved the "IE6.0sp1-KB823353-x86-ENU.exe" file in | | > | >>> "C:\Downloads", you would have to enter the following in "Run" in | | > the | | > | >>> Start menu: | | > | >>> | | > | >>> C:\Downloads\IE6.0sp1-KB823353-x86-ENU.exe /n:v | | > | >>> | | > | >>> Note, there's a blank after the EXE and no blank in the parameter. | | > | >>> Let me know, if the installation of KB823353 has been successful | | > this | | > | >>> time | | > | >> <snip> | | > | >> | | > | >> | | > | >> Date: Fri, Dec 16 2005 6:19 pm | | > | >> From: "PA Bear" | | > | >> | | > | >> ActiveX controls may not load as expected in Internet Explorer due | to | | > | >> defense in depth changes introduced in cumulative security update | | > 896688 | | > | >> (MS05-052): http://support.microsoft.com/Default.aspx?kbid=909889 | | > | >> | | > | >> A Web page that contains a custom ActiveX control may not load as | | > | >> expected | | > | >> in Internet Explorer due to defense in depth changes introduced in | | > | >> cumulative security update 896688 (MS05-052): | | > | >> http://support.microsoft.com/Default.aspx?kbid=909738 | | > | >> | | > | >> => The fix detailed in 909889 involving the Registry and OLE32.DLL | is | | > | >> available at | | > | >> | | > | >> - http://patch-info.de/IE/Downloads/OLEfix.zip or | | > | >> | | > | >> - http://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/kb896688_fix.zip (a small VB app | | > that | | > | >> checks the 4 values and offers a repair option if any of them are | | > | >> incorrect). | | > | >> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) | | > | >> MS MVP-Windows (IE/OE, Shell/User, Security), Aumha.org VSOP, | | > DTS-L.org | | > | >> | | > | >>> Ralf wrote: | | > | >>> > I'd like to let the group know that the odd behavior issue which | | > has | | > | >> been | | > | >>> > reported from various sources after installing the December | | > Microsoft | | > | >>> > Updates has been solved. I've posted the details on my blog at | | > | >>> > http://www.rottmann.net . | | > | >>> > | | > | >> | | > | >> | | > | >> -- | | > | >> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | | > | >> -- | | > | >> _________ | | > | >> | | > | >> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | | > | >> news:%2361bRhCwIHA.1768@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... | | > | >> | Oh yeah... That /nv switch didn't work when I tried it. What I | | > don't | | > | >> get | | > | >> is | | > | >> | where she got 823353, since I've yet to see it offered by Windows | | > | >> Updates. | | > | >> | Thing is, KB823353 = MS04-18, whereas KB837009 = MS04-13. The | notes | | > in | | > | >> | MS04-18 say that it replaces MS04-13. | | > | >> | | | > | >> | IOW, it would seem a failure of WU to not offer KB823353 to my | | > system. | | > | >> I'd | | > | >> | be interested to know from folks: In Add/Remove Programs, do you | | > have | | > | >> either | | > | >> | of these Updates listed (or both)? | | > | >> | | | > | >> | -- | | > | >> | Gary S. Terhune | | > | >> | MS-MVP Shell/User | | > | >> | http://www.grystmill.com | | > | >> | | | > | >> | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | | > | >> | news:u6qeXOCwIHA.704@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... | | > | >> | > Frankly I'm not sure. When done with everything else [file | | > checks, | | > | >> | > anti-v/SpyWare, etc.] run C:\WINDOWS\QFECheck.exe and see if | | > anything | | > | >> is | | > | >> | > messed up. | | > | >> | > Might cross-check the Windows Update.log and iuhist.xml if you | | > used | | > | >> | > windowsupdate during the process. | | > | >> | > | | > | >> | > -- | | > | >> | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | | > | >> | > -- | | > | >> | > _________ | | > | >> | > | | > | >> | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | | > | >> | > news:uxvuLTBwIHA.4952@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... | | > | >> | > | Uninstalled 823353, installed 837009, reinstalled 82353. But | | > I'm | | > | >> not | | > | >> | > clear | | > | >> | > | that that was the thing to do. We were getting blitzy, so I'm | | > not | | > | >> sure. | | > | >> | > | | | > | >> | > | -- | | > | >> | > | Gary S. Terhune | | > | >> | > | MS-MVP Shell/User | | > | >> | > | http://www.grystmill.com | | > | >> | > | | | > | >> | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | | > | >> | > | news:OE$y%23F8vIHA.2360@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... | | > | >> | > | > Did you fix it with /N:V fix, or the reg entry, or are | there | | > | >> still | | > | >> | > issues | | > | >> | > | > with it? Just curious.. | | > | >> | > | > | | > | >> | > | > -- | | > | >> | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | | > | >> | > | > -- | | > | >> | > | > _________ | | > | >> | > | > | | > | >> | > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | | > | >> | > | > news:uPntGK7vIHA.3760@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... | | > | >> | > | > | The mystery still remains as to where MSXML 4.0 SP1 came | | > from, | | > | >> and | | > | >> | > what | | > | >> | > | > | disappeared those three other files, but what caused some | | > grief | | > | >> was | | > | >> | > that | | > | >> | > | > the | | > | >> | > | > | machine was out of disk space. So we made some, were able | | > to | | > | >> get | | > | >> rid | | > | >> | > of | | > | >> | > | > the | | > | >> | > | > | firewall and a couple of other things, update some apps, | | > | >> reinstall | | > | >> | > IE, | | > | >> | > | > etc. | | > | >> | > | > | There is another firewall in the mix, on the Belkin | router, | | > and | | > | >> it | | > | >> | > seems | | > | >> | > | > to | | > | >> | > | > | be blocking Avast!, too. So we discovered that leaving | Web | | > | >> Shield | | > | >> | > out | | > | >> | > | > fixed | | > | >> | > | > | the problem with Avast!, just before their tech response, | | > | >> though | | > | >> it | | > | >> | > | > doesn't | | > | >> | > | > | explain how the no-browser-allowed problem was occurring | | > when | | > | >> Avast! | | > | >> | > was | | > | >> | > | > | completely uninstalled. Whatever, it's worked all day, | | > today. | | > | >> | > | > | | | > | >> | > | > | I suspect further malware, but the system is 98 Original | | > and | | > is | | > | >> the | | > | >> | > | > original | | > | >> | > | > | install. Had AOL for various years, then EarthLink, then | | > this | | > | >> cable | | > | >> | > | > company, | | > | >> | > | > | all with their installations of branded stuff, and the | | > cable | | > | >> | > company's | | > | >> | > | > | "reach into your system and FIX things" umbilical, it's | | > hard | | > to | | > | >> sort | | > | >> | > | > stuff | | > | >> | > | > | out. Cleaned up what was necessary to clean up (machine | | > will | | > be | | > | >> | > | > replaced, | | > | >> | > | > | soon.) Further scans need to be run and a HJT log done | | > right. | | > | >> | > | > | | | > | >> | > | > | Had a problem with Outlook Express after reinstall of IE. | | > Went | | > | >> to | | > | >> WU | | > | >> | > and | | > | >> | > | > got | | > | >> | > | > | three updates, but then went back and one kept being | | > reoffered. | | > | >> This | | > | >> | > was | | > | >> | > | > the | | > | >> | > | > | issue: | | > | >> | > | > | | | > | >> | > | | > | >> | | > http://www.computing.net/answers/windows-95/kb837009-problem/163986.html | | > | >> | > | > | | | > | >> | > | > | More to come if I remember more... | | > | >> | > | > | | | > | >> | > | > | -- | | > | >> | > | > | Gary S. Terhune | | > | >> | > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User | | > | >> | > | > | http://www.grystmill.com | | > | >> | > | > | | | > | >> | > | > | | | > | >> | > | > | "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message | | > | >> | > | > | news:483a5a3a$0$15179$607ed4bc@cv.net... | | > | >> | > | > | > Thank you everyone! I really appreciate you sticking | with | | > me | | > | >> | > through | | > | >> | > | > this. | | > | >> | > | > | > Someone | | > | >> | > | > | > sent me the 3 DLL files I was missing. I installed them | | > and | | > | >> was | | > | >> | > able | | > | >> | > | > to | | > | >> | > | > | > run the | | > | >> | > | > | > repair tool for IE6SP1. But that didn't help. I cleaned | | > up | | > my | | > | >> | > startup | | > | >> | > | > | > items with help | | > | >> | > | > | > from the group. I deleted a lot of unnecessary files. I | | > | >> download | | > | >> | > | > IE6sp1 | | > | >> | > | > | > zip from an | | > | >> | > | > | > e-mail and Gary walked my through the overinstall. I | | > follow | | > | >> your | | > | >> | > | > advice | | > | >> | > | > on | | > | >> | > | > | > just about | | > | >> | > | > | > every post. Forgive me for not answering all but we | spent | | > | >> about | | > | >> 24 | | > | >> | > | > hours | | > | >> | > | > | > just going | | > | >> | > | > | > through this. This is my third day and we are finally | | > fixed. | | > | >> I | | > | >> | > think | | > | >> | > | > what | | > | >> | > | > | > did it is I | | > | >> | > | > | > removed my firewall.....'Trial of Transgressions'....I | | > think | | > | >> that | | > | >> | > was | | > | >> | > | > the | | > | >> | > | > | > name. and I | | > | >> | > | > | > only use Avast resident protection (virus | | > scanner).....not | | > | >> web | | > | >> | > | > protection | | > | >> | > | > | > or e-mail. | | > | >> | > | > | > Spybot tea timer removed, as Gary said. | | > | >> | > | > | > I ran scandisk. | | > | >> | > | > | > I did so many things it's hard to remember them all. | When | | > I | | > | >> start | | > | >> | > my | | > | >> | > | > | > computer any | | > | >> | > | > | > referral to ports, or joysticks, or the soundcard that | I | | > | >> never | | > | >> had | | > | >> | > are | | > | >> | > | > | > gone. A few | | > | >> | > | > | > little quirks remain such as when I try to send this | | > e-mail, | | > | >> I | | > | >> | > get | | > | >> | > an | | > | >> | > | > | > error message | | > | >> | > | > | > that the outbox can't be opened. So I will bypass the | | > outbox | | > | >> from | | > | >> | > now | | > | >> | > | > on | | > | >> | > | > | > and send | | > | >> | > | > | > messages right away. At least I can get online!!! | | > | >> | > | > | > thank you all. | | > | >> | > | > | > | | > | >> | > | > | > | | > | >> | > | > | > | | > | >> | > | > | | | > | >> | > | > | | > | >> | > | > | | > | >> | > | > | | > | >> | > | | | > | >> | > | | > | >> | > | | > | >> | | | > | >> | | > | >> | | > | > | | > | | | > | | > | | | | |
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted May 31, 2008 Posted May 31, 2008 Re: IE Running well so far The 1409 versions are from KB837009. The version changes you list match my observations. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:%237%23eiP0wIHA.5096@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > Finally had some time to look at IE6.0sp1-KB823353-x86-ENU > > The main files that would be apparently updated are: > > 6.00.2800.1441 - inetcomm.dll - via upgrade > 6.00.2800.1409 - via WU > > 6.00.2800.1437 - msoe.dll - via update > 6.00.2800.1409 - via WU > > 6.00.2800.1450 - wab32.dll - via update > 6.00.2800.1409 - via WU > > Of course that now means that we are basically recommending non-official > updating, though it IS based upon prior updates provided and installed by > WU > as I posted showing the iuhist.xml. > > I checked using the OE About screen, see if this is confirmed [i haven't > installed it yet as this would potentially affect present tests]. > > We could also use some verification of versions by others. > > -- > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > -- > _________ > > "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:eDlZzcJwIHA.3384@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > | Sounds like the plan... > | > | I'll have to check to see if that was one of those extra needed files > that > | I had listed on the web page..if not, it will be > | > | -- > | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > | -- > | _________ > | > | "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > | news:erGCAzGwIHA.1772@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > | | After reading the KB more closely, what KB823353 really says is that > it > | does > | | is get rid of one of minor nuisance introduced by KB837009 -- like > that > | | famous wandering "~" file, but also another vulnerability in IE5.5SP1. > | Other > | | than that, it apparently includes everything in KB837009. IOW, it does > | | replace the "previous" patch entirely. (I looked inside, they look > nearly > | | identical.) So what happened, probably, is that reinstalling standard > | IE6SP1 > | | over whatever she already had installed (including KB823353) caused a > | mix-up > | | that had WU seeing KB837009 as required, not noting that KB823353 was > | | already present. Reinstalling KB837009 was only necessary in order to > stop > | | WU from wanting to install it (and it fails silently). > | | > | | I'm thinking that while it wasn't necessary to reinstall KB837009, > except > | to > | | stop any nagging by WU, it was a good idea to reinstall KB823353. As > for > | PA > | | Bear's encounter, it sound's like that was an XP machine or it had an > | | unofficial patch installed, then reinstalled IE or something similar > and > | ran > | | into the same issue, just with later versions. > | | > | | Anyway, I'm adding KB823353 to my Updates CDs just as soon as another > CD > | | burning session is called for, which will be pretty soon. > | | > | | -- > | | Gary S. Terhune > | | MS-MVP Shell/User > | | http://www.grystmill.com > | | > | | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message > | | news:%23WJibtEwIHA.4848@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > | | > Agreed, makes no sense except for the issues involved with its > | | > installation. > | | > > | | > Issues related to its installation > end of support > remove it from > WU. > | | > > | | > This isn't the only file/update previously offered via WU, now > "missing > | in > | | > action". > | | > > | | > -- > | | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > | | > -- > | | > _________ > | | > > | | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > | | > news:%23Jb$dmDwIHA.516@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > | | > | Makes no sense, part deux... > | | > | > | | > | Result is that KB823353 is not considered a Critical Update and > thus > | | > | shouldn't appear at WU. Yet it is listed as a replacement for > KB837009 > | | > which > | | > | IS a Critical Update (and apparently for good reason.) > | | > | > | | > | The SecUp CD precedes these Updates by a good two years. Shouldn't > be > | | > any > | | > | part of the problem. > | | > | > | | > | -- > | | > | Gary S. Terhune > | | > | MS-MVP Shell/User > | | > | http://www.grystmill.com > | | > | > | | > | "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > | | > | news:%23OnszBDwIHA.1980@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > | | > | > Only thing I can glean from that is that I see why the switch > listed > | | > in > | | > | > that exchange I linked to didn't work: It's /n:v, not /nv. > | | > | > > | | > | > I dunno, I'm tired of it. There have been too many different > | versions > | | > of > | | > | > IE/OE installed on the machine, starting with AOHell ten years > ago > | and > | | > | > ending with whatever her cable ISP installed. In any case, my > test > | | > machine > | | > | > is a mess from playing with that Auto-Patcher, and yet it would > seem > | | > that > | | > | > Windows Updates is not offering the some updates that it should > be. > | | > 837009 > | | > | > is the latest one for OE, and even during all the testing I did > when > | | > | > putting together the Updates packages, I never saw any of these > | later > | | > | > versions, even though they're supposed to be offered by WU. > | | > | > > | | > | > -- > | | > | > Gary S. Terhune > | | > | > MS-MVP Shell/User > | | > | > http://www.grystmill.com > | | > | > > | | > | > "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message > | | > | > news:uQnf5zCwIHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > | | > | >> 837009 is listed on this system. The only 82**** in Add/Remove > I > | | > | >> presently > | | > | >> have is 823559. Its not shown in IE or iuhist either. Would > this > be > | | > | >> related > | | > | >> to the SecCD usage perhaps? > | | > | >> > | | > | >> I agree, if that was, in fact, the supposed update/supercede, > then > | | > that > | | > | >> is > | | > | >> what should be offered. There were installation issues > associated > | | > with > | | > | >> it, > | | > | >> so MAYBE Microsoft determined it would just delete/not offer it > or > | | > SecCD > | | > | >> somehow over-rides installation. It did, however, appear in the > old > | | > | >> installations [not SecCD updated] documented in 2006. > | | > | >> > | | > | >> Affected Software: > | | > | >> . Microsoft Windows NT® Workstation 4.0 Service Pack 6a > | | > | >> . Microsoft Windows NT Server 4.0 Service Pack 6a > | | > | >> . Microsoft Windows NT Server 4.0 Terminal Server Edition > Service > | | > Pack > | | > 6 > | | > | >> . Microsoft Windows 2000 Service Pack 2, Microsoft Windows 2000 > | | > Service > | | > | >> Pack > | | > | >> 3, Microsoft Windows 2000 Service Pack 4 > | | > | >> . Microsoft Windows XP and Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 1 > | | > | >> . Microsoft Windows XP 64-Bit Edition Service Pack 1 > | | > | >> . Microsoft Windows XP 64-Bit Edition Version 2003 > | | > | >> . Microsoft Windows ServerT 2003 > | | > | >> . Microsoft Windows Server 2003 64-Bit Edition > | | > | >> . Microsoft Windows 98, Microsoft Windows 98 Second Edition > (SE), > | and > | | > | >> Microsoft Windows Millennium Edition (Me) - Review the FAQ > section > | of > | | > | >> this > | | > | >> bulletin for details about these operating systems. > | | > | >> > | | > | >> INFORMATION/DATA saved for 823353 shows [02/07 and 02/16 of > 2006]: > | | > | >> > | | > | >>> Answering to PA Bear, now with 887797 and 897715 missing, > 823353 > | is > | | > the > | | > | >> only > | | > | >>> reported update by Windows update... > | | > | >>> > | | > | >>> msoe.dll and inetcomm.dll are now 6.00.2800.1478 while > wab32.dll > | is > | | > | >>> 6.00.2800.1106. > | | > | >> > | | > | >> Well, msoe.dll and inetcomm.dll have the version numbers of the > | files > | | > | >> contained in KB887797 *not* KB823353 while the wab32.dll is the > | | > version > | | > | >> coming with plain SP1 (no KB823353 nor KB887797 installed). You > | have > | | > | >> a "wonderful" mix of versions there on your machine right now > :-/ > | | > | >> > | | > | >> So I stress you to install KB823353 with the /n:v parameter > once > | | > | >> again (IE6.0sp1-KB823353-x86-ENU.exe /n:v). Please try this one > in > | | > | >> normal mode, *not* safe mode. Afterwards please compare the > | versions > | | > | >> of the following files with the ones on your machine - yes, > *all* > | | > | >> of them! In the brackets you can find the version and date of > the > | | > | >> files wich are contained in KB823353: > | | > | >> > | | > | >> directdb.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 03.03.2003) > | | > | >> inetcomm.dll (6.0.2800.1441 - 07.06.2004) > | | > | >> inetres.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004) > | | > | >> msident.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004) > | | > | >> msimn.exe (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004) > | | > | >> msoe.dll (6.0.2800.1437 - 26.05.2004) > | | > | >> msoeacct.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004) > | | > | >> msoeres.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004) > | | > | >> msoert2.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 03.03.2003) > | | > | >> oeimport.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004) > | | > | >> oemig50.exe (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004) > | | > | >> oemiglib.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004) > | | > | >> wab32.dll (6.0.2800.1450 - 24.06.2004) > | | > | >> wab.exe (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004) > | | > | >> wabfind.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004) > | | > | >> wabimp.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004) > | | > | >> wabmig.exe (6.0.2800.1123 - 03.03.2003) > | | > | >> > | | > | >> Could you please afterwards open Internet Explorer, have look > in > | | > | >> "? -> Info" and please post *all* what's listet there behind > and > | | > | >> under the "Update Version" section? Yes *all* these > "Q......"'s. > | | > | >> > | | > | >> AND: > | | > | >> > | | > | >> Date: Fri, Dec 16 2005 1:39 pm > | | > | >> From: "PA Bear" > | | > | >> > | | > | >> Thanks, Freudi. > | | > | >> > | | > | >> Dimitri, here's another description of how to do what Freudi's > | asked > | | > you > | | > | >> to > | | > | >> try: > | | > | >> > | | > | >> <paste> > | | > | >> Close OE. Clear History, delete Cookies and delete Temporary > | | > Internet > | | > | >> Files > | | > | >> via IE: Tools > Options > General, then... > | | > | >> > | | > | >> 1. Download the Cumulative Security Update for Outlook Express > 6 > | | > Service > | | > | >> Pack 1 (KB823353; all OSS) from the following link, saving it > to > | your > | | > | >> Desktop: > | | > | >> > | | > | >> > | | > > | > http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=AD6A96BC-DAF0-4EAB-89B8-BD702B3E3E5D&displaylang=en > | | > | >> > | | > | >> (or http://snipurl.com/8x9i) > | | > | >> > | | > | >> [ Optional: 2. Restart the computer in Safe Mode. (During the > | | > reboot, > | | > | >> keep > | | > | >> pressing the F8 key until the Windows Startup menu appears > > Choose > | | > Safe > | | > | >> Mode > Enter.) ] > | | > | >> > | | > | >> 3. Rename the downloaded file to KB823353.EXE and copy it to > C:\ > | (the > | | > | >> root > | | > | >> directory of drive C; assumes drive C is the boot drive) > | | > | >> > | | > | >> 4. Start > Run > (type in) C:\KB823353.EXE /N:V (Note the > space) >> > | | > press > | | > | >> ENTER > | | > | >> > | | > | >> 5. Close the command window. > | | > | >> > | | > | >> 6. Reboot [into Windows] and then check in at Windows Update to > see > | | > | >> KB823353 > | | > | >> is still offered. > | | > | >> </paste> > | | > | >> > | | > | >> Don't install any other OE updates, just answer #6 above and > either > | | > state > | | > | >> the current versions of MSOE.DLL and INETCOMM.DLL or post your > | reply > | | > | >> using > | | > | >> OE instead of the web interface. > | | > | >> ~PA Bear > | | > | >> > | | > | >> Ottmar Freudenberger wrote: > | | > | >> <snip> > | | > | >>> Okay, so you've skipped the steps I've mentioned after having > | | > KB823353 > | | > | >>> installed? ;-) > | | > | >>> > | | > | >>> Uninstall them (KB887797 and KB897715) once again please. > | | > | >>> > | | > | >>> After you've unistalled them, try to install KB823353 with the > | | > parameter > | | > | >>> "/n:v". > | | > | >>> Assuming you've saved the "IE6.0sp1-KB823353-x86-ENU.exe" > file > in > | | > | >>> "C:\Downloads", you would have to enter the following in "Run" > in > | | > the > | | > | >>> Start menu: > | | > | >>> > | | > | >>> C:\Downloads\IE6.0sp1-KB823353-x86-ENU.exe /n:v > | | > | >>> > | | > | >>> Note, there's a blank after the EXE and no blank in the > parameter. > | | > | >>> Let me know, if the installation of KB823353 has been > successful > | | > this > | | > | >>> time > | | > | >> <snip> > | | > | >> > | | > | >> > | | > | >> Date: Fri, Dec 16 2005 6:19 pm > | | > | >> From: "PA Bear" > | | > | >> > | | > | >> ActiveX controls may not load as expected in Internet Explorer > due > | to > | | > | >> defense in depth changes introduced in cumulative security > update > | | > 896688 > | | > | >> (MS05-052): > http://support.microsoft.com/Default.aspx?kbid=909889 > | | > | >> > | | > | >> A Web page that contains a custom ActiveX control may not load > as > | | > | >> expected > | | > | >> in Internet Explorer due to defense in depth changes introduced > in > | | > | >> cumulative security update 896688 (MS05-052): > | | > | >> http://support.microsoft.com/Default.aspx?kbid=909738 > | | > | >> > | | > | >> => The fix detailed in 909889 involving the Registry and > OLE32.DLL > | is > | | > | >> available at > | | > | >> > | | > | >> - http://patch-info.de/IE/Downloads/OLEfix.zip or > | | > | >> > | | > | >> - http://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/kb896688_fix.zip (a small VB > app > | | > that > | | > | >> checks the 4 values and offers a repair option if any of them > are > | | > | >> incorrect). > | | > | >> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) > | | > | >> MS MVP-Windows (IE/OE, Shell/User, Security), Aumha.org VSOP, > | | > DTS-L.org > | | > | >> > | | > | >>> Ralf wrote: > | | > | >>> > I'd like to let the group know that the odd behavior issue > which > | | > has > | | > | >> been > | | > | >>> > reported from various sources after installing the December > | | > Microsoft > | | > | >>> > Updates has been solved. I've posted the details on my blog > at > | | > | >>> > http://www.rottmann.net . > | | > | >>> > > | | > | >> > | | > | >> > | | > | >> -- > | | > | >> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > | | > | >> -- > | | > | >> _________ > | | > | >> > | | > | >> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > | | > | >> news:%2361bRhCwIHA.1768@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > | | > | >> | Oh yeah... That /nv switch didn't work when I tried it. What > I > | | > don't > | | > | >> get > | | > | >> is > | | > | >> | where she got 823353, since I've yet to see it offered by > Windows > | | > | >> Updates. > | | > | >> | Thing is, KB823353 = MS04-18, whereas KB837009 = MS04-13. The > | notes > | | > in > | | > | >> | MS04-18 say that it replaces MS04-13. > | | > | >> | > | | > | >> | IOW, it would seem a failure of WU to not offer KB823353 to > my > | | > system. > | | > | >> I'd > | | > | >> | be interested to know from folks: In Add/Remove Programs, do > you > | | > have > | | > | >> either > | | > | >> | of these Updates listed (or both)? > | | > | >> | > | | > | >> | -- > | | > | >> | Gary S. Terhune > | | > | >> | MS-MVP Shell/User > | | > | >> | http://www.grystmill.com > | | > | >> | > | | > | >> | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message > | | > | >> | news:u6qeXOCwIHA.704@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > | | > | >> | > Frankly I'm not sure. When done with everything else [file > | | > checks, > | | > | >> | > anti-v/SpyWare, etc.] run C:\WINDOWS\QFECheck.exe and see > if > | | > anything > | | > | >> is > | | > | >> | > messed up. > | | > | >> | > Might cross-check the Windows Update.log and iuhist.xml if > you > | | > used > | | > | >> | > windowsupdate during the process. > | | > | >> | > > | | > | >> | > -- > | | > | >> | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > | | > | >> | > -- > | | > | >> | > _________ > | | > | >> | > > | | > | >> | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > | | > | >> | > news:uxvuLTBwIHA.4952@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > | | > | >> | > | Uninstalled 823353, installed 837009, reinstalled 82353. > But > | | > I'm > | | > | >> not > | | > | >> | > clear > | | > | >> | > | that that was the thing to do. We were getting blitzy, so > I'm > | | > not > | | > | >> sure. > | | > | >> | > | > | | > | >> | > | -- > | | > | >> | > | Gary S. Terhune > | | > | >> | > | MS-MVP Shell/User > | | > | >> | > | http://www.grystmill.com > | | > | >> | > | > | | > | >> | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message > | | > | >> | > | news:OE$y%23F8vIHA.2360@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > | | > | >> | > | > Did you fix it with /N:V fix, or the reg entry, or are > | there > | | > | >> still > | | > | >> | > issues > | | > | >> | > | > with it? Just curious.. > | | > | >> | > | > > | | > | >> | > | > -- > | | > | >> | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > | | > | >> | > | > -- > | | > | >> | > | > _________ > | | > | >> | > | > > | | > | >> | > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > | | > | >> | > | > news:uPntGK7vIHA.3760@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > | | > | >> | > | > | The mystery still remains as to where MSXML 4.0 SP1 > came > | | > from, > | | > | >> and > | | > | >> | > what > | | > | >> | > | > | disappeared those three other files, but what caused > some > | | > grief > | | > | >> was > | | > | >> | > that > | | > | >> | > | > the > | | > | >> | > | > | machine was out of disk space. So we made some, were > able > | | > to > | | > | >> get > | | > | >> rid > | | > | >> | > of > | | > | >> | > | > the > | | > | >> | > | > | firewall and a couple of other things, update some > apps, > | | > | >> reinstall > | | > | >> | > IE, > | | > | >> | > | > etc. > | | > | >> | > | > | There is another firewall in the mix, on the Belkin > | router, > | | > and > | | > | >> it > | | > | >> | > seems > | | > | >> | > | > to > | | > | >> | > | > | be blocking Avast!, too. So we discovered that > leaving > | Web > | | > | >> Shield > | | > | >> | > out > | | > | >> | > | > fixed > | | > | >> | > | > | the problem with Avast!, just before their tech > response, > | | > | >> though > | | > | >> it > | | > | >> | > | > doesn't > | | > | >> | > | > | explain how the no-browser-allowed problem was > occurring > | | > when > | | > | >> Avast! > | | > | >> | > was > | | > | >> | > | > | completely uninstalled. Whatever, it's worked all > day, > | | > today. > | | > | >> | > | > | > | | > | >> | > | > | I suspect further malware, but the system is 98 > Original > | | > and > | | > is > | | > | >> the > | | > | >> | > | > original > | | > | >> | > | > | install. Had AOL for various years, then EarthLink, > then > | | > this > | | > | >> cable > | | > | >> | > | > company, > | | > | >> | > | > | all with their installations of branded stuff, and > the > | | > cable > | | > | >> | > company's > | | > | >> | > | > | "reach into your system and FIX things" umbilical, > it's > | | > hard > | | > to > | | > | >> sort > | | > | >> | > | > stuff > | | > | >> | > | > | out. Cleaned up what was necessary to clean up > (machine > | | > will > | | > be > | | > | >> | > | > replaced, > | | > | >> | > | > | soon.) Further scans need to be run and a HJT log > done > | | > right. > | | > | >> | > | > | > | | > | >> | > | > | Had a problem with Outlook Express after reinstall of > IE. > | | > Went > | | > | >> to > | | > | >> WU > | | > | >> | > and > | | > | >> | > | > got > | | > | >> | > | > | three updates, but then went back and one kept being > | | > reoffered. > | | > | >> This > | | > | >> | > was > | | > | >> | > | > the > | | > | >> | > | > | issue: > | | > | >> | > | > | > | | > | >> | > > | | > | >> > | | > > http://www.computing.net/answers/windows-95/kb837009-problem/163986.html > | | > | >> | > | > | > | | > | >> | > | > | More to come if I remember more... > | | > | >> | > | > | > | | > | >> | > | > | -- > | | > | >> | > | > | Gary S. Terhune > | | > | >> | > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User > | | > | >> | > | > | http://www.grystmill.com > | | > | >> | > | > | > | | > | >> | > | > | > | | > | >> | > | > | "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message > | | > | >> | > | > | news:483a5a3a$0$15179$607ed4bc@cv.net... > | | > | >> | > | > | > Thank you everyone! I really appreciate you > sticking > | with > | | > me > | | > | >> | > through > | | > | >> | > | > this. > | | > | >> | > | > | > Someone > | | > | >> | > | > | > sent me the 3 DLL files I was missing. I installed > them > | | > and > | | > | >> was > | | > | >> | > able > | | > | >> | > | > to > | | > | >> | > | > | > run the > | | > | >> | > | > | > repair tool for IE6SP1. But that didn't help. I > cleaned > | | > up > | | > my > | | > | >> | > startup > | | > | >> | > | > | > items with help > | | > | >> | > | > | > from the group. I deleted a lot of unnecessary > files. > I > | | > | >> download > | | > | >> | > | > IE6sp1 > | | > | >> | > | > | > zip from an > | | > | >> | > | > | > e-mail and Gary walked my through the overinstall. > I > | | > follow > | | > | >> your > | | > | >> | > | > advice > | | > | >> | > | > on > | | > | >> | > | > | > just about > | | > | >> | > | > | > every post. Forgive me for not answering all but we > | spent > | | > | >> about > | | > | >> 24 > | | > | >> | > | > hours > | | > | >> | > | > | > just going > | | > | >> | > | > | > through this. This is my third day and we are > finally > | | > fixed. > | | > | >> I > | | > | >> | > think > | | > | >> | > | > what > | | > | >> | > | > | > did it is I > | | > | >> | > | > | > removed my firewall.....'Trial of > Transgressions'....I > | | > think > | | > | >> that > | | > | >> | > was > | | > | >> | > | > the > | | > | >> | > | > | > name. and I > | | > | >> | > | > | > only use Avast resident protection (virus > | | > scanner).....not > | | > | >> web > | | > | >> | > | > protection > | | > | >> | > | > | > or e-mail. > | | > | >> | > | > | > Spybot tea timer removed, as Gary said. > | | > | >> | > | > | > I ran scandisk. > | | > | >> | > | > | > I did so many things it's hard to remember them > all. > | When > | | > I > | | > | >> start > | | > | >> | > my > | | > | >> | > | > | > computer any > | | > | >> | > | > | > referral to ports, or joysticks, or the soundcard > that > | I > | | > | >> never > | | > | >> had > | | > | >> | > are > | | > | >> | > | > | > gone. A few > | | > | >> | > | > | > little quirks remain such as when I try to send > this > | | > e-mail, > | | > | >> I > | | > | >> | > get > | | > | >> | > an > | | > | >> | > | > | > error message > | | > | >> | > | > | > that the outbox can't be opened. So I will bypass > the > | | > outbox > | | > | >> from > | | > | >> | > now > | | > | >> | > | > on > | | > | >> | > | > | > and send > | | > | >> | > | > | > messages right away. At least I can get online!!! > | | > | >> | > | > | > thank you all. > | | > | >> | > | > | > > | | > | >> | > | > | > > | | > | >> | > | > | > > | | > | >> | > | > | > | | > | >> | > | > > | | > | >> | > | > > | | > | >> | > | > > | | > | >> | > | > | | > | >> | > > | | > | >> | > > | | > | >> | > | | > | >> > | | > | >> > | | > | > > | | > | > | | > > | | > > | | > | > | > | > >
Guest MEB Posted May 31, 2008 Posted May 31, 2008 Re: IE Running well so far Okay, hopefully someone has an older installation that can verify prior WU installation to confirm that aspect. Doesn't PCR run an old installation? -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com -- _________ "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message news:egDoz10wIHA.4848@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... | The 1409 versions are from KB837009. The version changes you list match my | observations. | | -- | Gary S. Terhune | MS-MVP Shell/User | http://www.grystmill.com | | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | news:%237%23eiP0wIHA.5096@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... | > Finally had some time to look at IE6.0sp1-KB823353-x86-ENU | > | > The main files that would be apparently updated are: | > | > 6.00.2800.1441 - inetcomm.dll - via upgrade | > 6.00.2800.1409 - via WU | > | > 6.00.2800.1437 - msoe.dll - via update | > 6.00.2800.1409 - via WU | > | > 6.00.2800.1450 - wab32.dll - via update | > 6.00.2800.1409 - via WU | > | > Of course that now means that we are basically recommending non-official | > updating, though it IS based upon prior updates provided and installed by | > WU | > as I posted showing the iuhist.xml. | > | > I checked using the OE About screen, see if this is confirmed [i haven't | > installed it yet as this would potentially affect present tests]. | > | > We could also use some verification of versions by others. | > | > -- | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | > -- | > _________ | > | > "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | > news:eDlZzcJwIHA.3384@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... | > | Sounds like the plan... | > | | > | I'll have to check to see if that was one of those extra needed files | > that | > | I had listed on the web page..if not, it will be | > | | > | -- | > | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | > | -- | > | _________ | > | | > | "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | > | news:erGCAzGwIHA.1772@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... | > | | After reading the KB more closely, what KB823353 really says is that | > it | > | does | > | | is get rid of one of minor nuisance introduced by KB837009 -- like | > that | > | | famous wandering "~" file, but also another vulnerability in IE5.5SP1. | > | Other | > | | than that, it apparently includes everything in KB837009. IOW, it does | > | | replace the "previous" patch entirely. (I looked inside, they look | > nearly | > | | identical.) So what happened, probably, is that reinstalling standard | > | IE6SP1 | > | | over whatever she already had installed (including KB823353) caused a | > | mix-up | > | | that had WU seeing KB837009 as required, not noting that KB823353 was | > | | already present. Reinstalling KB837009 was only necessary in order to | > stop | > | | WU from wanting to install it (and it fails silently). | > | | | > | | I'm thinking that while it wasn't necessary to reinstall KB837009, | > except | > | to | > | | stop any nagging by WU, it was a good idea to reinstall KB823353. As | > for | > | PA | > | | Bear's encounter, it sound's like that was an XP machine or it had an | > | | unofficial patch installed, then reinstalled IE or something similar | > and | > | ran | > | | into the same issue, just with later versions. | > | | | > | | Anyway, I'm adding KB823353 to my Updates CDs just as soon as another | > CD | > | | burning session is called for, which will be pretty soon. | > | | | > | | -- | > | | Gary S. Terhune | > | | MS-MVP Shell/User | > | | http://www.grystmill.com | > | | | > | | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | > | | news:%23WJibtEwIHA.4848@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... | > | | > Agreed, makes no sense except for the issues involved with its | > | | > installation. | > | | > | > | | > Issues related to its installation > end of support > remove it from | > WU. | > | | > | > | | > This isn't the only file/update previously offered via WU, now | > "missing | > | in | > | | > action". | > | | > | > | | > -- | > | | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | > | | > -- | > | | > _________ | > | | > | > | | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | > | | > news:%23Jb$dmDwIHA.516@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... | > | | > | Makes no sense, part deux... | > | | > | | > | | > | Result is that KB823353 is not considered a Critical Update and | > thus | > | | > | shouldn't appear at WU. Yet it is listed as a replacement for | > KB837009 | > | | > which | > | | > | IS a Critical Update (and apparently for good reason.) | > | | > | | > | | > | The SecUp CD precedes these Updates by a good two years. Shouldn't | > be | > | | > any | > | | > | part of the problem. | > | | > | | > | | > | -- | > | | > | Gary S. Terhune | > | | > | MS-MVP Shell/User | > | | > | http://www.grystmill.com | > | | > | | > | | > | "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | > | | > | news:%23OnszBDwIHA.1980@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... | > | | > | > Only thing I can glean from that is that I see why the switch | > listed | > | | > in | > | | > | > that exchange I linked to didn't work: It's /n:v, not /nv. | > | | > | > | > | | > | > I dunno, I'm tired of it. There have been too many different | > | versions | > | | > of | > | | > | > IE/OE installed on the machine, starting with AOHell ten years | > ago | > | and | > | | > | > ending with whatever her cable ISP installed. In any case, my | > test | > | | > machine | > | | > | > is a mess from playing with that Auto-Patcher, and yet it would | > seem | > | | > that | > | | > | > Windows Updates is not offering the some updates that it should | > be. | > | | > 837009 | > | | > | > is the latest one for OE, and even during all the testing I did | > when | > | | > | > putting together the Updates packages, I never saw any of these | > | later | > | | > | > versions, even though they're supposed to be offered by WU. | > | | > | > | > | | > | > -- | > | | > | > Gary S. Terhune | > | | > | > MS-MVP Shell/User | > | | > | > http://www.grystmill.com | > | | > | > | > | | > | > "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | > | | > | > news:uQnf5zCwIHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... | > | | > | >> 837009 is listed on this system. The only 82**** in Add/Remove | > I | > | | > | >> presently | > | | > | >> have is 823559. Its not shown in IE or iuhist either. Would | > this | > be | > | | > | >> related | > | | > | >> to the SecCD usage perhaps? | > | | > | >> | > | | > | >> I agree, if that was, in fact, the supposed update/supercede, | > then | > | | > that | > | | > | >> is | > | | > | >> what should be offered. There were installation issues | > associated | > | | > with | > | | > | >> it, | > | | > | >> so MAYBE Microsoft determined it would just delete/not offer it | > or | > | | > SecCD | > | | > | >> somehow over-rides installation. It did, however, appear in the | > old | > | | > | >> installations [not SecCD updated] documented in 2006. | > | | > | >> | > | | > | >> Affected Software: | > | | > | >> . Microsoft Windows NT® Workstation 4.0 Service Pack 6a | > | | > | >> . Microsoft Windows NT Server 4.0 Service Pack 6a | > | | > | >> . Microsoft Windows NT Server 4.0 Terminal Server Edition | > Service | > | | > Pack | > | | > 6 | > | | > | >> . Microsoft Windows 2000 Service Pack 2, Microsoft Windows 2000 | > | | > Service | > | | > | >> Pack | > | | > | >> 3, Microsoft Windows 2000 Service Pack 4 | > | | > | >> . Microsoft Windows XP and Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 1 | > | | > | >> . Microsoft Windows XP 64-Bit Edition Service Pack 1 | > | | > | >> . Microsoft Windows XP 64-Bit Edition Version 2003 | > | | > | >> . Microsoft Windows ServerT 2003 | > | | > | >> . Microsoft Windows Server 2003 64-Bit Edition | > | | > | >> . Microsoft Windows 98, Microsoft Windows 98 Second Edition | > (SE), | > | and | > | | > | >> Microsoft Windows Millennium Edition (Me) - Review the FAQ | > section | > | of | > | | > | >> this | > | | > | >> bulletin for details about these operating systems. | > | | > | >> | > | | > | >> INFORMATION/DATA saved for 823353 shows [02/07 and 02/16 of | > 2006]: | > | | > | >> | > | | > | >>> Answering to PA Bear, now with 887797 and 897715 missing, | > 823353 | > | is | > | | > the | > | | > | >> only | > | | > | >>> reported update by Windows update... | > | | > | >>> | > | | > | >>> msoe.dll and inetcomm.dll are now 6.00.2800.1478 while | > wab32.dll | > | is | > | | > | >>> 6.00.2800.1106. | > | | > | >> | > | | > | >> Well, msoe.dll and inetcomm.dll have the version numbers of the | > | files | > | | > | >> contained in KB887797 *not* KB823353 while the wab32.dll is the | > | | > version | > | | > | >> coming with plain SP1 (no KB823353 nor KB887797 installed). You | > | have | > | | > | >> a "wonderful" mix of versions there on your machine right now | > :-/ | > | | > | >> | > | | > | >> So I stress you to install KB823353 with the /n:v parameter | > once | > | | > | >> again (IE6.0sp1-KB823353-x86-ENU.exe /n:v). Please try this one | > in | > | | > | >> normal mode, *not* safe mode. Afterwards please compare the | > | versions | > | | > | >> of the following files with the ones on your machine - yes, | > *all* | > | | > | >> of them! In the brackets you can find the version and date of | > the | > | | > | >> files wich are contained in KB823353: | > | | > | >> | > | | > | >> directdb.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 03.03.2003) | > | | > | >> inetcomm.dll (6.0.2800.1441 - 07.06.2004) | > | | > | >> inetres.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004) | > | | > | >> msident.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004) | > | | > | >> msimn.exe (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004) | > | | > | >> msoe.dll (6.0.2800.1437 - 26.05.2004) | > | | > | >> msoeacct.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004) | > | | > | >> msoeres.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004) | > | | > | >> msoert2.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 03.03.2003) | > | | > | >> oeimport.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004) | > | | > | >> oemig50.exe (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004) | > | | > | >> oemiglib.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004) | > | | > | >> wab32.dll (6.0.2800.1450 - 24.06.2004) | > | | > | >> wab.exe (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004) | > | | > | >> wabfind.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004) | > | | > | >> wabimp.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004) | > | | > | >> wabmig.exe (6.0.2800.1123 - 03.03.2003) | > | | > | >> | > | | > | >> Could you please afterwards open Internet Explorer, have look | > in | > | | > | >> "? -> Info" and please post *all* what's listet there behind | > and | > | | > | >> under the "Update Version" section? Yes *all* these | > "Q......"'s. | > | | > | >> | > | | > | >> AND: | > | | > | >> | > | | > | >> Date: Fri, Dec 16 2005 1:39 pm | > | | > | >> From: "PA Bear" | > | | > | >> | > | | > | >> Thanks, Freudi. | > | | > | >> | > | | > | >> Dimitri, here's another description of how to do what Freudi's | > | asked | > | | > you | > | | > | >> to | > | | > | >> try: | > | | > | >> | > | | > | >> <paste> | > | | > | >> Close OE. Clear History, delete Cookies and delete Temporary | > | | > Internet | > | | > | >> Files | > | | > | >> via IE: Tools > Options > General, then... | > | | > | >> | > | | > | >> 1. Download the Cumulative Security Update for Outlook Express | > 6 | > | | > Service | > | | > | >> Pack 1 (KB823353; all OSS) from the following link, saving it | > to | > | your | > | | > | >> Desktop: | > | | > | >> | > | | > | >> | > | | > | > | | > http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=AD6A96BC-DAF0-4EAB-89B8-BD702B3E3E5D&displaylang=en | > | | > | >> | > | | > | >> (or http://snipurl.com/8x9i) | > | | > | >> | > | | > | >> [ Optional: 2. Restart the computer in Safe Mode. (During the | > | | > reboot, | > | | > | >> keep | > | | > | >> pressing the F8 key until the Windows Startup menu appears > | > Choose | > | | > Safe | > | | > | >> Mode > Enter.) ] | > | | > | >> | > | | > | >> 3. Rename the downloaded file to KB823353.EXE and copy it to | > C:\ | > | (the | > | | > | >> root | > | | > | >> directory of drive C; assumes drive C is the boot drive) | > | | > | >> | > | | > | >> 4. Start > Run > (type in) C:\KB823353.EXE /N:V (Note the | > space) | >> | > | | > press | > | | > | >> ENTER | > | | > | >> | > | | > | >> 5. Close the command window. | > | | > | >> | > | | > | >> 6. Reboot [into Windows] and then check in at Windows Update to | > see | > | | > | >> KB823353 | > | | > | >> is still offered. | > | | > | >> </paste> | > | | > | >> | > | | > | >> Don't install any other OE updates, just answer #6 above and | > either | > | | > state | > | | > | >> the current versions of MSOE.DLL and INETCOMM.DLL or post your | > | reply | > | | > | >> using | > | | > | >> OE instead of the web interface. | > | | > | >> ~PA Bear | > | | > | >> | > | | > | >> Ottmar Freudenberger wrote: | > | | > | >> <snip> | > | | > | >>> Okay, so you've skipped the steps I've mentioned after having | > | | > KB823353 | > | | > | >>> installed? ;-) | > | | > | >>> | > | | > | >>> Uninstall them (KB887797 and KB897715) once again please. | > | | > | >>> | > | | > | >>> After you've unistalled them, try to install KB823353 with the | > | | > parameter | > | | > | >>> "/n:v". | > | | > | >>> Assuming you've saved the "IE6.0sp1-KB823353-x86-ENU.exe" | > file | > in | > | | > | >>> "C:\Downloads", you would have to enter the following in "Run" | > in | > | | > the | > | | > | >>> Start menu: | > | | > | >>> | > | | > | >>> C:\Downloads\IE6.0sp1-KB823353-x86-ENU.exe /n:v | > | | > | >>> | > | | > | >>> Note, there's a blank after the EXE and no blank in the | > parameter. | > | | > | >>> Let me know, if the installation of KB823353 has been | > successful | > | | > this | > | | > | >>> time | > | | > | >> <snip> | > | | > | >> | > | | > | >> | > | | > | >> Date: Fri, Dec 16 2005 6:19 pm | > | | > | >> From: "PA Bear" | > | | > | >> | > | | > | >> ActiveX controls may not load as expected in Internet Explorer | > due | > | to | > | | > | >> defense in depth changes introduced in cumulative security | > update | > | | > 896688 | > | | > | >> (MS05-052): | > http://support.microsoft.com/Default.aspx?kbid=909889 | > | | > | >> | > | | > | >> A Web page that contains a custom ActiveX control may not load | > as | > | | > | >> expected | > | | > | >> in Internet Explorer due to defense in depth changes introduced | > in | > | | > | >> cumulative security update 896688 (MS05-052): | > | | > | >> http://support.microsoft.com/Default.aspx?kbid=909738 | > | | > | >> | > | | > | >> => The fix detailed in 909889 involving the Registry and | > OLE32.DLL | > | is | > | | > | >> available at | > | | > | >> | > | | > | >> - http://patch-info.de/IE/Downloads/OLEfix.zip or | > | | > | >> | > | | > | >> - http://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/kb896688_fix.zip (a small VB | > app | > | | > that | > | | > | >> checks the 4 values and offers a repair option if any of them | > are | > | | > | >> incorrect). | > | | > | >> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) | > | | > | >> MS MVP-Windows (IE/OE, Shell/User, Security), Aumha.org VSOP, | > | | > DTS-L.org | > | | > | >> | > | | > | >>> Ralf wrote: | > | | > | >>> > I'd like to let the group know that the odd behavior issue | > which | > | | > has | > | | > | >> been | > | | > | >>> > reported from various sources after installing the December | > | | > Microsoft | > | | > | >>> > Updates has been solved. I've posted the details on my blog | > at | > | | > | >>> > http://www.rottmann.net . | > | | > | >>> > | > | | > | >> | > | | > | >> | > | | > | >> -- | > | | > | >> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | > | | > | >> -- | > | | > | >> _________ | > | | > | >> | > | | > | >> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | > | | > | >> news:%2361bRhCwIHA.1768@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... | > | | > | >> | Oh yeah... That /nv switch didn't work when I tried it. What | > I | > | | > don't | > | | > | >> get | > | | > | >> is | > | | > | >> | where she got 823353, since I've yet to see it offered by | > Windows | > | | > | >> Updates. | > | | > | >> | Thing is, KB823353 = MS04-18, whereas KB837009 = MS04-13. The | > | notes | > | | > in | > | | > | >> | MS04-18 say that it replaces MS04-13. | > | | > | >> | | > | | > | >> | IOW, it would seem a failure of WU to not offer KB823353 to | > my | > | | > system. | > | | > | >> I'd | > | | > | >> | be interested to know from folks: In Add/Remove Programs, do | > you | > | | > have | > | | > | >> either | > | | > | >> | of these Updates listed (or both)? | > | | > | >> | | > | | > | >> | -- | > | | > | >> | Gary S. Terhune | > | | > | >> | MS-MVP Shell/User | > | | > | >> | http://www.grystmill.com | > | | > | >> | | > | | > | >> | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | > | | > | >> | news:u6qeXOCwIHA.704@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... | > | | > | >> | > Frankly I'm not sure. When done with everything else [file | > | | > checks, | > | | > | >> | > anti-v/SpyWare, etc.] run C:\WINDOWS\QFECheck.exe and see | > if | > | | > anything | > | | > | >> is | > | | > | >> | > messed up. | > | | > | >> | > Might cross-check the Windows Update.log and iuhist.xml if | > you | > | | > used | > | | > | >> | > windowsupdate during the process. | > | | > | >> | > | > | | > | >> | > -- | > | | > | >> | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | > | | > | >> | > -- | > | | > | >> | > _________ | > | | > | >> | > | > | | > | >> | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | > | | > | >> | > news:uxvuLTBwIHA.4952@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... | > | | > | >> | > | Uninstalled 823353, installed 837009, reinstalled 82353. | > But | > | | > I'm | > | | > | >> not | > | | > | >> | > clear | > | | > | >> | > | that that was the thing to do. We were getting blitzy, so | > I'm | > | | > not | > | | > | >> sure. | > | | > | >> | > | | > | | > | >> | > | -- | > | | > | >> | > | Gary S. Terhune | > | | > | >> | > | MS-MVP Shell/User | > | | > | >> | > | http://www.grystmill.com | > | | > | >> | > | | > | | > | >> | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | > | | > | >> | > | news:OE$y%23F8vIHA.2360@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... | > | | > | >> | > | > Did you fix it with /N:V fix, or the reg entry, or are | > | there | > | | > | >> still | > | | > | >> | > issues | > | | > | >> | > | > with it? Just curious.. | > | | > | >> | > | > | > | | > | >> | > | > -- | > | | > | >> | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | > | | > | >> | > | > -- | > | | > | >> | > | > _________ | > | | > | >> | > | > | > | | > | >> | > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | > | | > | >> | > | > news:uPntGK7vIHA.3760@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... | > | | > | >> | > | > | The mystery still remains as to where MSXML 4.0 SP1 | > came | > | | > from, | > | | > | >> and | > | | > | >> | > what | > | | > | >> | > | > | disappeared those three other files, but what caused | > some | > | | > grief | > | | > | >> was | > | | > | >> | > that | > | | > | >> | > | > the | > | | > | >> | > | > | machine was out of disk space. So we made some, were | > able | > | | > to | > | | > | >> get | > | | > | >> rid | > | | > | >> | > of | > | | > | >> | > | > the | > | | > | >> | > | > | firewall and a couple of other things, update some | > apps, | > | | > | >> reinstall | > | | > | >> | > IE, | > | | > | >> | > | > etc. | > | | > | >> | > | > | There is another firewall in the mix, on the Belkin | > | router, | > | | > and | > | | > | >> it | > | | > | >> | > seems | > | | > | >> | > | > to | > | | > | >> | > | > | be blocking Avast!, too. So we discovered that | > leaving | > | Web | > | | > | >> Shield | > | | > | >> | > out | > | | > | >> | > | > fixed | > | | > | >> | > | > | the problem with Avast!, just before their tech | > response, | > | | > | >> though | > | | > | >> it | > | | > | >> | > | > doesn't | > | | > | >> | > | > | explain how the no-browser-allowed problem was | > occurring | > | | > when | > | | > | >> Avast! | > | | > | >> | > was | > | | > | >> | > | > | completely uninstalled. Whatever, it's worked all | > day, | > | | > today. | > | | > | >> | > | > | | > | | > | >> | > | > | I suspect further malware, but the system is 98 | > Original | > | | > and | > | | > is | > | | > | >> the | > | | > | >> | > | > original | > | | > | >> | > | > | install. Had AOL for various years, then EarthLink, | > then | > | | > this | > | | > | >> cable | > | | > | >> | > | > company, | > | | > | >> | > | > | all with their installations of branded stuff, and | > the | > | | > cable | > | | > | >> | > company's | > | | > | >> | > | > | "reach into your system and FIX things" umbilical, | > it's | > | | > hard | > | | > to | > | | > | >> sort | > | | > | >> | > | > stuff | > | | > | >> | > | > | out. Cleaned up what was necessary to clean up | > (machine | > | | > will | > | | > be | > | | > | >> | > | > replaced, | > | | > | >> | > | > | soon.) Further scans need to be run and a HJT log | > done | > | | > right. | > | | > | >> | > | > | | > | | > | >> | > | > | Had a problem with Outlook Express after reinstall of | > IE. | > | | > Went | > | | > | >> to | > | | > | >> WU | > | | > | >> | > and | > | | > | >> | > | > got | > | | > | >> | > | > | three updates, but then went back and one kept being | > | | > reoffered. | > | | > | >> This | > | | > | >> | > was | > | | > | >> | > | > the | > | | > | >> | > | > | issue: | > | | > | >> | > | > | | > | | > | >> | > | > | | > | >> | > | | > | > http://www.computing.net/answers/windows-95/kb837009-problem/163986.html | > | | > | >> | > | > | | > | | > | >> | > | > | More to come if I remember more... | > | | > | >> | > | > | | > | | > | >> | > | > | -- | > | | > | >> | > | > | Gary S. Terhune | > | | > | >> | > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User | > | | > | >> | > | > | http://www.grystmill.com | > | | > | >> | > | > | | > | | > | >> | > | > | | > | | > | >> | > | > | "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message | > | | > | >> | > | > | news:483a5a3a$0$15179$607ed4bc@cv.net... | > | | > | >> | > | > | > Thank you everyone! I really appreciate you | > sticking | > | with | > | | > me | > | | > | >> | > through | > | | > | >> | > | > this. | > | | > | >> | > | > | > Someone | > | | > | >> | > | > | > sent me the 3 DLL files I was missing. I installed | > them | > | | > and | > | | > | >> was | > | | > | >> | > able | > | | > | >> | > | > to | > | | > | >> | > | > | > run the | > | | > | >> | > | > | > repair tool for IE6SP1. But that didn't help. I | > cleaned | > | | > up | > | | > my | > | | > | >> | > startup | > | | > | >> | > | > | > items with help | > | | > | >> | > | > | > from the group. I deleted a lot of unnecessary | > files. | > I | > | | > | >> download | > | | > | >> | > | > IE6sp1 | > | | > | >> | > | > | > zip from an | > | | > | >> | > | > | > e-mail and Gary walked my through the overinstall. | > I | > | | > follow | > | | > | >> your | > | | > | >> | > | > advice | > | | > | >> | > | > on | > | | > | >> | > | > | > just about | > | | > | >> | > | > | > every post. Forgive me for not answering all but we | > | spent | > | | > | >> about | > | | > | >> 24 | > | | > | >> | > | > hours | > | | > | >> | > | > | > just going | > | | > | >> | > | > | > through this. This is my third day and we are | > finally | > | | > fixed. | > | | > | >> I | > | | > | >> | > think | > | | > | >> | > | > what | > | | > | >> | > | > | > did it is I | > | | > | >> | > | > | > removed my firewall.....'Trial of | > Transgressions'....I | > | | > think | > | | > | >> that | > | | > | >> | > was | > | | > | >> | > | > the | > | | > | >> | > | > | > name. and I | > | | > | >> | > | > | > only use Avast resident protection (virus | > | | > scanner).....not | > | | > | >> web | > | | > | >> | > | > protection | > | | > | >> | > | > | > or e-mail. | > | | > | >> | > | > | > Spybot tea timer removed, as Gary said. | > | | > | >> | > | > | > I ran scandisk. | > | | > | >> | > | > | > I did so many things it's hard to remember them | > all. | > | When | > | | > I | > | | > | >> start | > | | > | >> | > my | > | | > | >> | > | > | > computer any | > | | > | >> | > | > | > referral to ports, or joysticks, or the soundcard | > that | > | I | > | | > | >> never | > | | > | >> had | > | | > | >> | > are | > | | > | >> | > | > | > gone. A few | > | | > | >> | > | > | > little quirks remain such as when I try to send | > this | > | | > e-mail, | > | | > | >> I | > | | > | >> | > get | > | | > | >> | > an | > | | > | >> | > | > | > error message | > | | > | >> | > | > | > that the outbox can't be opened. So I will bypass | > the | > | | > outbox | > | | > | >> from | > | | > | >> | > now | > | | > | >> | > | > on | > | | > | >> | > | > | > and send | > | | > | >> | > | > | > messages right away. At least I can get online!!! | > | | > | >> | > | > | > thank you all. | > | | > | >> | > | > | > | > | | > | >> | > | > | > | > | | > | >> | > | > | > | > | | > | >> | > | > | | > | | > | >> | > | > | > | | > | >> | > | > | > | | > | >> | > | > | > | | > | >> | > | | > | | > | >> | > | > | | > | >> | > | > | | > | >> | | > | | > | >> | > | | > | >> | > | | > | > | > | | > | | > | | > | > | | > | > | | | > | | > | | > | | > | > |
Guest PCR Posted June 1, 2008 Posted June 1, 2008 Re: IE Running well so far Gary S. Terhune wrote: | As I said in the email, you need to train the firewall (or get one | that is more user friendly.) As I am not familiar with these things, | I suggest you start a new thread asking for help with Sygate and/or | recommendations for something easier to use. For that kind of thing, Kerio Personal Firewall is quite good. It puts up a requestor saying an app's signature has changed & asking whether to allow it access to the NET...!... http://www.dslreports.com/faq/security/2.5.1.+Kerio+and+pre-v3.0+Tiny+PFW Suggested to me by Dundat, this little app is the cat's meow of Firewalls. Well, it's the only I've ever tried, but it seems to have it all & hasn't crashed yet. Free for personal use. http://www.321download.com/LastFreeware/page7.html#Kerio%20Personal%20Firewall That also is it. It's really usable out of the box (says glee-- & I guess it was), BUT... http://www.geocities.com/yosponge This site will show you every last little thing you can do with it. Don't get confused with all the possibilities, though. http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/cisintwk/ito_doc/ip.htm What a packet looks like. http://www.cisco.com/en/US/about/ac123/ac114/about_cisco_packet_magazine.html Packet Magazine. http://www.linuxsecurity.com/resource_files/firewalls/firewall-seen.html FAQ: Firewall Forensics (What am I seeing?) ...by Robert Graham Other links to study... http://www.dslreports.com/faq/security/2.5.1.+Kerio+and+pre-v3.0+Tiny http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6642367~root=kerio~mode=flat http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8023708 Thanks to Blanton, Gedye, BoB, glee, gram pappy & others for those URLs. | -- | Gary S. Terhune | MS-MVP Shell/User | http://www.grystmill.com | | "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message | news:483d706f$0$11621$607ed4bc@cv.net... |> Good morning. Since I installed Sygate, every time I go to one of my |> OE accounts, or |> a IE page it wants to install new dlls or it won't let me go there. |> I will try to |> stop Sygate and see what happens. Is this a normal thing since I |> used the IE6sp1 |> installer? Should I allow all these dlls (much more than I posted |> last night. |> So in summary, my computer works but only if I let it add a LOT of |> dlls. Ginny |> |> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message |> news:483d0f58$0$25057$607ed4bc@cv.net... |>> |>> I repaired the C.A.spam blocker instead of removing it. I downloaded |>> Sygate5.5.2577 |>> as 5.6.2808 doesn't support Win 98se. |>> After installation it said IE was loading a new dll for Avast, so I |>> said o.k. but I |>> didn't write it down. |>> |>> Then it said IE is loading new dll.....C:\WINDOWS\System |>> MFC42LOC.DLL FILE VERSION: 6.002800.1106 |>> FILE; I.E. |>> PROCESS ID FF872F29 |>> (heximal)4287049513 (decimal) |>> TCP t |>> (This happened when I opened Internet Explorer) |>> Then when I opened Outlook Express Mail I got this : |>> |>> A new DLL has been loaded to Outlook Express. This is common if you |>> have updated |> O.E. |>> lately. (because of firewall) |>> |>> The new DLLs have been loaded: |>> |>> C:\PROGRAM FILES\COMMON FILES\MICROSOFT SHARED\PROOF\MSSPELL3.DLL |>> |>> To disable DLL Authentication go to the security tab under the |>> Tools, Options |> menu. |>> |>> File Version : 6.00.2800.1123 |>> |>> File Description : Outlook Express |>> |>> File Path : C:\Program Files\Outlook |>> Express\msimn.exe |>> |>> Process ID : 0xFFF8E2D5 (Heximal) |>> 4294501077 (Decimal) |>> |>> Connection origin : local initiated |>> |>> Protocol : TCP |>> |>> Local Address : 192.168.2.3 |>> |>> Local Port : 1094 |>> |>> Remote Name : mail.optonline.net |>> |>> Remote Address : 167.206.5.250 |>> |>> Remote Port : 25 (SMTP - Simple Mail Transfer |>> Protocol) |>> |>> Ethernet packet details: |>> |>> Ethernet II (Packet Length: 64) |>> |>> Destination: 00-30-bd-20-ef-95 |>> |>> Source: 00-04-75-ad-62-4d |>> |>> Type: IP (0x0800) |>> |>> Internet Protocol |>> |>> Version: 4 |>> |>> Header Length: 20 bytes |>> |>> Flags: |>> |>> .1.. = Don't fragment: Set |>> |>> ..0. = More fragments: Not set |>> |>> Fragment offset:0 |>> |>> Time to live: 128 |>> |>> Protocol: 0x6 (TCP - Transmission Control Protocol) |>> |>> Header checksum: 0x5018 (Correct) |>> |>> Source: 192.168.2.3 |>> |>> Destination: 167.206.5.250 |>> |>> Transmission Control Protocol (TCP) |>> |>> Source port: 1094 |>> |>> Destination port: 25 |>> |>> Sequence number: 2040560 |>> |>> Acknowledgment number: 0 |>> |>> Header length: 28 |>> |>> Flags: |>> |>> 0... .... = Congestion Window Reduce |>> (CWR): Not set |>> |>> .0.. .... = ECN-Echo: Not set |>> |>> ..0. .... = Urgent: Not set |>> |>> ...0 .... = Acknowledgment: Not set |>> |>> .... 0... = Push: Not set |>> |>> .... .0.. = Reset: Not set |>> |>> .... ..1. = Syn: Set |>> |>> .... ...0 = Fin: Not set |>> |>> Checksum: 0x45cb (Correct) |>> |>> Data (0 Bytes) |>> |>> |>> |>> Binary dump of the packet: |>> |>> 0000: 00 30 BD 20 EF 95 00 04 : 75 AD 62 4D 08 00 45 00 | .0. |>> ....u.bM..E. |>> |>> 0010: 00 30 72 04 40 00 80 06 : 18 50 C0 A8 02 03 A7 CE | |>> .0r.@....P...... |>> |>> 0020: 05 FA 04 46 00 19 00 1F : 22 F0 00 00 00 00 70 02 | |>> ...F....".....p. |>> |>> 0030: 20 00 CB 45 00 00 02 04 : 05 AC 01 01 04 02 C5 CE | |>> ..E............ |>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------- |>> -- |>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------- |>> -- |>> ----- |>> Then when I opened the newsgroup I got this: |>> |>> Outlook Express has added 2 dll files |>> |>> The new DLLs have been loaded: |>> |>> C:\PROGRAM FILES\COMMON FILES\MICROSOFT SHARED\TEXTCONV\MSCONV97.DLL |>> |>> C:\PROGRAM FILES\COMMON FILES\MICROSOFT SHARED\TEXTCONV\HTML32.CNV |>> |>> |>> To disable DLL Authentication go to the security tab under the |>> Tools, Options menu. |>> |>> File Version : 6.00.2800.1123 |>> |>> File Description : Outlook Express |>> |>> File Path : C:\Program Files\Outlook |>> Express\msimn.exe |>> |>> Process ID : 0xFFF8E2D5 (Heximal) |>> 4294501077 (Decimal) |>> |>> Connection origin : local initiated |>> |>> Protocol : TCP |>> |>> Local Address : 192.168.2.3 |>> |>> Local Port : 1101 |>> |>> Remote Name : news.optonline.net |>> |>> Remote Address : 209.197.15.254 |>> |>> Remote Port : 119 (NNTP - Network News |>> Transfer Protocol) |>> |>> Ethernet packet details: |>> |>> Ethernet II (Packet Length: 64) |>> |>> Destination: 00-30-bd-20-ef-95 |>> |>> Source: 00-04-75-ad-62-4d |>> |>> Type: IP (0x0800) |>> |>> Internet Protocol |>> |>> Version: 4 |>> |>> Header Length: 20 bytes |>> |>> Flags: |>> |>> .1.. = Don't fragment: Set |>> |>> ..0. = More fragments: Not set |>> |>> Fragment offset:0 |>> |>> Time to live: 128 |>> |>> Protocol: 0x6 (TCP - Transmission Control Protocol) |>> |>> Header checksum: 0x5499 (Correct) |>> |>> Source: 192.168.2.3 |>> |>> Destination: 209.197.15.254 |>> |>> Transmission Control Protocol (TCP) |>> |>> Source port: 1101 |>> |>> Destination port: 119 |>> |>> Sequence number: 2582083 |>> |>> Acknowledgment number: 0 |>> |>> Header length: 28 |>> |>> Flags: |>> |>> 0... .... = Congestion Window Reduce |>> (CWR): Not set |>> |>> .0.. .... = ECN-Echo: Not set |>> |>> ..0. .... = Urgent: Not set |>> |>> ...0 .... = Acknowledgment: Not set |>> |>> .... 0... = Push: Not set |>> |>> .... .0.. = Reset: Not set |>> |>> .... ..1. = Syn: Set |>> |>> .... ...0 = Fin: Not set |>> |>> Checksum: 0x8a53 (Correct) |>> |>> Data (0 Bytes) |>> |>> |>> |>> Binary dump of the packet: |>> |>> 0000: 00 30 BD 20 EF 95 00 04 : 75 AD 62 4D 08 00 45 00 | .0. |>> ....u.bM..E. |>> |>> 0010: 00 30 BD 04 40 00 80 06 : 99 54 C0 A8 02 03 D1 C5 | |>> .0..@....T...... |>> |>> 0020: 0F FE 04 4D 00 77 00 27 : 66 43 00 00 00 00 70 02 | |>> ...M.w.'fC....p. |>> |>> 0030: 20 00 53 8A 00 00 02 04 : 05 AC 01 01 04 02 6F 2F | |>> .S........... -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR pcrrcp@netzero.net
Guest PCR Posted June 1, 2008 Posted June 1, 2008 Re: IE Running well so far MEB wrote: | Okay, hopefully someone has an older installation that can verify | prior WU installation to confirm that aspect. Doesn't PCR run an old | installation? JUST like for you, IUHist.xml shows 823353 came in for me from Windows Update. I got it one day before you. It is not at the Catalog for Win98 in any of the categories (looking for 823353 or MS04-018), which finally has begun to work again after 3 days... http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/catalog/en/default.asp And it wasn't among my downloads from the Catalog. So, either I didn't look quick enough for it or it never was there. HOWEVER... http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=19527 Microsoft Security Bulletin MS04-018 Cumulative Security Update for Outlook Express (823353) ....from our IUHist.xml DOES serve to get to it. Thanks to you & Terhune (especially for testing it)-- I took it in, just in case I ever need to reinstall it. I took in... • Microsoft Outlook Express 6 Service Pack 1 IE6.0sp1-KB823353-x86-ENU.exe Desc: Win32 Cabinet Self-Extractor Size: 1,996,544 bytes Ver: 6.00.2800.1168 I'm not sure whether the version refers to the update or the Extractor. I DO verify that the files you mentioned are indeed the versions I've got. Thanks again to you & Terhune. | -- | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | -- | _________ | | "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | news:egDoz10wIHA.4848@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... || The 1409 versions are from KB837009. The version changes you list || match my observations. || || -- || Gary S. Terhune || MS-MVP Shell/User || http://www.grystmill.com || || "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message || news:%237%23eiP0wIHA.5096@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... || > Finally had some time to look at IE6.0sp1-KB823353-x86-ENU || > || > The main files that would be apparently updated are: || > || > 6.00.2800.1441 - inetcomm.dll - via upgrade || > 6.00.2800.1409 - via WU || > || > 6.00.2800.1437 - msoe.dll - via update || > 6.00.2800.1409 - via WU || > || > 6.00.2800.1450 - wab32.dll - via update || > 6.00.2800.1409 - via WU || > || > Of course that now means that we are basically recommending || > non-official updating, though it IS based upon prior updates || > provided and installed by WU || > as I posted showing the iuhist.xml. || > || > I checked using the OE About screen, see if this is confirmed [i || > haven't installed it yet as this would potentially affect present || > tests]. || > || > We could also use some verification of versions by others. || > || > -- || > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com || > -- || > _________ || > || > "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message || > news:eDlZzcJwIHA.3384@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... || > | Sounds like the plan... || > | || > | I'll have to check to see if that was one of those extra needed || > | files that I had listed on the web page..if not, it will be || > | || > | -- || > | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com || > | -- || > | _________ || > | || > | "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message || > | news:erGCAzGwIHA.1772@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... || > | | After reading the KB more closely, what KB823353 really says || > | | is that it does is get rid of one of minor nuisance introduced || > | | by KB837009 -- like that famous wandering "~" file, but also || > | | another vulnerability in IE5.5SP1. Other than that, it || > | | apparently includes everything in KB837009. IOW, it does || > | | replace the "previous" patch entirely. (I looked inside, they || > | | look nearly identical.) So what happened, probably, is that || > | | reinstalling standard IE6SP1 over whatever she already had || > | | installed (including KB823353) caused a mix-up that had WU || > | | seeing KB837009 as required, not noting that KB823353 was || > | | already present. Reinstalling KB837009 was only necessary in || > | | order to stop WU from wanting to install it (and it fails || > | | silently). || > | | || > | | I'm thinking that while it wasn't necessary to reinstall || > | | KB837009, except to stop any nagging by WU, it was a good idea || > | | to reinstall KB823353. As for PA Bear's encounter, it sound's || > | | like that was an XP machine or it had an unofficial patch || > | | installed, then reinstalled IE or something similar and ran || > | | into the same issue, just with later versions. || > | | || > | | Anyway, I'm adding KB823353 to my Updates CDs just as soon as || > | | another CD burning session is called for, which will be pretty || > | | soon. || > | | || > | | -- || > | | Gary S. Terhune || > | | MS-MVP Shell/User || > | | http://www.grystmill.com || > | | || > | | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message || > | | news:%23WJibtEwIHA.4848@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... || > | | > Agreed, makes no sense except for the issues involved with || > | | > its installation. || > | | > || > | | > Issues related to its installation > end of support > remove || > | | > it from WU. || > | | > || > | | > This isn't the only file/update previously offered via WU, || > | | > now "missing in action". || > | | > || > | | > -- || > | | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com || > | | > -- || > | | > _________ || > | | > || > | | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message || > | | > news:%23Jb$dmDwIHA.516@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... || > | | > | Makes no sense, part deux... || > | | > | || > | | > | Result is that KB823353 is not considered a Critical || > | | > | Update and thus shouldn't appear at WU. Yet it is listed || > | | > | as a replacement for KB837009 which IS a Critical Update || > | | > | (and apparently for good reason.) || > | | > | || > | | > | The SecUp CD precedes these Updates by a good two years. | Shouldn't || > be || > | | > any || > | | > | part of the problem. || > | | > | || > | | > | -- || > | | > | Gary S. Terhune || > | | > | MS-MVP Shell/User || > | | > | http://www.grystmill.com || > | | > | || > | | > | "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message || > | | > | news:%23OnszBDwIHA.1980@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... || > | | > | > Only thing I can glean from that is that I see why the || > | | > | > switch listed in that exchange I linked to didn't work: || > | | > | > It's /n:v, not /nv. || > | | > | > || > | | > | > I dunno, I'm tired of it. There have been too many || > | | > | > different versions of IE/OE installed on the machine, || > | | > | > starting with AOHell ten years ago and ending with || > | | > | > whatever her cable ISP installed. In any case, my test || > | | > | > machine is a mess from playing with that Auto-Patcher, || > | | > | > and yet it | would || > seem || > | | > that || > | | > | > Windows Updates is not offering the some updates that it | should || > be. || > | | > 837009 || > | | > | > is the latest one for OE, and even during all the || > | | > | > testing I did when putting together the Updates || > | | > | > packages, I never saw any of these later versions, even || > | | > | > though they're supposed to be offered by WU. || > | | > | > || > | | > | > -- || > | | > | > Gary S. Terhune || > | | > | > MS-MVP Shell/User || > | | > | > http://www.grystmill.com || > | | > | > || > | | > | > "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message || > | | > | > news:uQnf5zCwIHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... || > | | > | >> 837009 is listed on this system. The only 82**** in || > | | > | >> Add/Remove I presently || > | | > | >> have is 823559. Its not shown in IE or iuhist either. || > | | > | >> Would || > this || > be || > | | > | >> related || > | | > | >> to the SecCD usage perhaps? || > | | > | >> || > | | > | >> I agree, if that was, in fact, the supposed || > | | > | >> update/supercede, then that is || > | | > | >> what should be offered. There were installation issues || > | | > | >> associated with it, || > | | > | >> so MAYBE Microsoft determined it would just delete/not || > | | > | >> offer | it || > or || > | | > SecCD || > | | > | >> somehow over-rides installation. It did, however, || > | | > | >> appear in the old installations [not SecCD updated] || > | | > | >> documented in 2006. || > | | > | >> || > | | > | >> Affected Software: || > | | > | >> . Microsoft Windows NT® Workstation 4.0 Service Pack 6a || > | | > | >> . Microsoft Windows NT Server 4.0 Service Pack 6a || > | | > | >> . Microsoft Windows NT Server 4.0 Terminal Server || > | | > | >> Edition || > Service || > | | > Pack || > | | > 6 || > | | > | >> . Microsoft Windows 2000 Service Pack 2, Microsoft || > | | > | >> Windows 2000 Service Pack || > | | > | >> 3, Microsoft Windows 2000 Service Pack 4 || > | | > | >> . Microsoft Windows XP and Microsoft Windows XP Service || > | | > | >> Pack 1 . Microsoft Windows XP 64-Bit Edition Service || > | | > | >> Pack 1 . Microsoft Windows XP 64-Bit Edition Version || > | | > | >> 2003 . Microsoft Windows ServerT 2003 || > | | > | >> . Microsoft Windows Server 2003 64-Bit Edition || > | | > | >> . Microsoft Windows 98, Microsoft Windows 98 Second || > | | > | >> Edition (SE), and Microsoft Windows Millennium Edition || > | | > | >> (Me) - Review the FAQ section of this || > | | > | >> bulletin for details about these operating systems. || > | | > | >> || > | | > | >> INFORMATION/DATA saved for 823353 shows [02/07 and || > | | > | >> 02/16 of 2006]: || > | | > | >> || > | | > | >>> Answering to PA Bear, now with 887797 and 897715 || > | | > | >>> missing, || > 823353 || > | is || > | | > the || > | | > | >> only || > | | > | >>> reported update by Windows update... || > | | > | >>> || > | | > | >>> msoe.dll and inetcomm.dll are now 6.00.2800.1478 while || > | | > | >>> wab32.dll is || > | | > | >>> 6.00.2800.1106. || > | | > | >> || > | | > | >> Well, msoe.dll and inetcomm.dll have the version || > | | > | >> numbers of the files contained in KB887797 *not* || > | | > | >> KB823353 while the wab32.dll is the version coming with || > | | > | >> plain SP1 (no KB823353 nor KB887797 installed). You || > | | > | >> have a "wonderful" mix of versions there on your || > | | > | >> machine right now :-/ || > | | > | >> || > | | > | >> So I stress you to install KB823353 with the /n:v || > | | > | >> parameter once again (IE6.0sp1-KB823353-x86-ENU.exe || > | | > | >> /n:v). Please try this one in normal mode, *not* safe || > | | > | >> mode. Afterwards please compare the versions of the || > | | > | >> following files with the ones on your machine - yes, || > | | > | >> *all* of them! In the brackets you can find the version || > | | > | >> and date of the files wich are contained in KB823353: || > | | > | >> || > | | > | >> directdb.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 03.03.2003) || > | | > | >> inetcomm.dll (6.0.2800.1441 - 07.06.2004) || > | | > | >> inetres.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004) || > | | > | >> msident.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004) || > | | > | >> msimn.exe (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004) || > | | > | >> msoe.dll (6.0.2800.1437 - 26.05.2004) || > | | > | >> msoeacct.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004) || > | | > | >> msoeres.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004) || > | | > | >> msoert2.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 03.03.2003) || > | | > | >> oeimport.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004) || > | | > | >> oemig50.exe (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004) || > | | > | >> oemiglib.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004) || > | | > | >> wab32.dll (6.0.2800.1450 - 24.06.2004) || > | | > | >> wab.exe (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004) || > | | > | >> wabfind.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004) || > | | > | >> wabimp.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004) || > | | > | >> wabmig.exe (6.0.2800.1123 - 03.03.2003) || > | | > | >> || > | | > | >> Could you please afterwards open Internet Explorer, || > | | > | >> have look in "? -> Info" and please post *all* what's || > | | > | >> listet there behind and under the "Update Version" || > | | > | >> section? Yes *all* these "Q......"'s. || > | | > | >> || > | | > | >> AND: || > | | > | >> || > | | > | >> Date: Fri, Dec 16 2005 1:39 pm || > | | > | >> From: "PA Bear" || > | | > | >> || > | | > | >> Thanks, Freudi. || > | | > | >> || > | | > | >> Dimitri, here's another description of how to do what | Freudi's || > | asked || > | | > you || > | | > | >> to || > | | > | >> try: || > | | > | >> || > | | > | >> <paste> || > | | > | >> Close OE. Clear History, delete Cookies and delete || > | | > | >> Temporary Internet Files || > | | > | >> via IE: Tools > Options > General, then... || > | | > | >> || > | | > | >> 1. Download the Cumulative Security Update for Outlook | Express || > 6 || > | | > Service || > | | > | >> Pack 1 (KB823353; all OSS) from the following link, || > | | > | >> saving it to your Desktop: || > | | > | >> || > | | > | >> || > | | > || > | || > | http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=AD6A96BC-DAF0-4EAB-89B8-BD702B3E3E5D&displaylang=en || > | | > | >> || > | | > | >> (or http://snipurl.com/8x9i) || > | | > | >> || > | | > | >> [ Optional: 2. Restart the computer in Safe Mode. || > | | > | >> (During the reboot, keep || > | | > | >> pressing the F8 key until the Windows Startup menu || > | | > | >> appears > Choose Safe Mode > Enter.) ] || > | | > | >> || > | | > | >> 3. Rename the downloaded file to KB823353.EXE and copy || > | | > | >> it to C:\ (the root || > | | > | >> directory of drive C; assumes drive C is the boot drive) || > | | > | >> || > | | > | >> 4. Start > Run > (type in) C:\KB823353.EXE /N:V (Note || > | | > | >> the space) press ENTER || > | | > | >> || > | | > | >> 5. Close the command window. || > | | > | >> || > | | > | >> 6. Reboot [into Windows] and then check in at Windows || > | | > | >> Update to see KB823353 || > | | > | >> is still offered. || > | | > | >> </paste> || > | | > | >> || > | | > | >> Don't install any other OE updates, just answer #6 || > | | > | >> above and either state the current versions of MSOE.DLL || > | | > | >> and INETCOMM.DLL or post your reply using || > | | > | >> OE instead of the web interface. || > | | > | >> ~PA Bear || > | | > | >> || > | | > | >> Ottmar Freudenberger wrote: || > | | > | >> <snip> || > | | > | >>> Okay, so you've skipped the steps I've mentioned after || > | | > | >>> having KB823353 installed? ;-) || > | | > | >>> || > | | > | >>> Uninstall them (KB887797 and KB897715) once again || > | | > | >>> please. || > | | > | >>> || > | | > | >>> After you've unistalled them, try to install KB823353 || > | | > | >>> with the parameter "/n:v". || > | | > | >>> Assuming you've saved the || > | | > | >>> "IE6.0sp1-KB823353-x86-ENU.exe" || > file || > in || > | | > | >>> "C:\Downloads", you would have to enter the following || > | | > | >>> in | "Run" || > in || > | | > the || > | | > | >>> Start menu: || > | | > | >>> || > | | > | >>> C:\Downloads\IE6.0sp1-KB823353-x86-ENU.exe /n:v || > | | > | >>> || > | | > | >>> Note, there's a blank after the EXE and no blank in || > | | > | >>> the parameter. Let me know, if the installation of || > | | > | >>> KB823353 has been successful this time || > | | > | >> <snip> || > | | > | >> || > | | > | >> || > | | > | >> Date: Fri, Dec 16 2005 6:19 pm || > | | > | >> From: "PA Bear" || > | | > | >> || > | | > | >> ActiveX controls may not load as expected in Internet | Explorer || > due || > | to || > | | > | >> defense in depth changes introduced in cumulative || > | | > | >> security update 896688 (MS05-052): || > http://support.microsoft.com/Default.aspx?kbid=909889 || > | | > | >> || > | | > | >> A Web page that contains a custom ActiveX control may || > | | > | >> not load as expected || > | | > | >> in Internet Explorer due to defense in depth changes || > | | > | >> introduced in cumulative security update 896688 || > | | > | >> (MS05-052): || > | | > | >> http://support.microsoft.com/Default.aspx?kbid=909738 || > | | > | >> || > | | > | >> => The fix detailed in 909889 involving the Registry || > | | > | >> and OLE32.DLL is available at || > | | > | >> || > | | > | >> - http://patch-info.de/IE/Downloads/OLEfix.zip or || > | | > | >> || > | | > | >> - http://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/kb896688_fix.zip (a || > | | > | >> small | VB || > app || > | | > that || > | | > | >> checks the 4 values and offers a repair option if any || > | | > | >> of them are incorrect). || > | | > | >> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) || > | | > | >> MS MVP-Windows (IE/OE, Shell/User, Security), Aumha.org || > | | > | >> VSOP, DTS-L.org || > | | > | >> || > | | > | >>> Ralf wrote: || > | | > | >>> > I'd like to let the group know that the odd behavior || > | | > | >>> > issue || > which || > | | > has || > | | > | >> been || > | | > | >>> > reported from various sources after installing the || > | | > | >>> > December Microsoft Updates has been solved. I've || > | | > | >>> > posted the details on my blog at || > | | > | >>> > http://www.rottmann.net . || > | | > | >>> > || > | | > | >> || > | | > | >> || > | | > | >> -- || > | | > | >> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com || > | | > | >> -- || > | | > | >> _________ || > | | > | >> || > | | > | >> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message || > | | > | >> news:%2361bRhCwIHA.1768@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... || > | | > | >> | Oh yeah... That /nv switch didn't work when I tried || > | | > | >> | it. | What || > I || > | | > don't || > | | > | >> get || > | | > | >> is || > | | > | >> | where she got 823353, since I've yet to see it || > | | > | >> | offered by Windows Updates. Thing is, KB823353 = || > | | > | >> | MS04-18, whereas KB837009 = MS04-13. | The || > | notes || > | | > in || > | | > | >> | MS04-18 say that it replaces MS04-13. || > | | > | >> | || > | | > | >> | IOW, it would seem a failure of WU to not offer || > | | > | >> | KB823353 to || > my || > | | > system. || > | | > | >> I'd || > | | > | >> | be interested to know from folks: In Add/Remove || > | | > | >> | Programs, | do || > you || > | | > have || > | | > | >> either || > | | > | >> | of these Updates listed (or both)? || > | | > | >> | || > | | > | >> | -- || > | | > | >> | Gary S. Terhune || > | | > | >> | MS-MVP Shell/User || > | | > | >> | http://www.grystmill.com || > | | > | >> | || > | | > | >> | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message || > | | > | >> | news:u6qeXOCwIHA.704@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... || > | | > | >> | > Frankly I'm not sure. When done with everything || > | | > | >> | > else [file checks, anti-v/SpyWare, etc.] run || > | | > | >> | > C:\WINDOWS\QFECheck.exe and see || > if || > | | > anything || > | | > | >> is || > | | > | >> | > messed up. || > | | > | >> | > Might cross-check the Windows Update.log and || > | | > | >> | > iuhist.xml | if || > you || > | | > used || > | | > | >> | > windowsupdate during the process. || > | | > | >> | > || > | | > | >> | > -- || > | | > | >> | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com || > | | > | >> | > -- || > | | > | >> | > _________ || > | | > | >> | > || > | | > | >> | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message || > | | > | >> | > news:uxvuLTBwIHA.4952@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... || > | | > | >> | > | Uninstalled 823353, installed 837009, reinstalled | 82353. || > But || > | | > I'm || > | | > | >> not || > | | > | >> | > clear || > | | > | >> | > | that that was the thing to do. We were getting || > | | > | >> | > | blitzy, | so || > I'm || > | | > not || > | | > | >> sure. || > | | > | >> | > | || > | | > | >> | > | -- || > | | > | >> | > | Gary S. Terhune || > | | > | >> | > | MS-MVP Shell/User || > | | > | >> | > | http://www.grystmill.com || > | | > | >> | > | || > | | > | >> | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message || > | | > | >> | > | news:OE$y%23F8vIHA.2360@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... || > | | > | >> | > | > Did you fix it with /N:V fix, or the reg entry, || > | | > | >> | > | > or | are || > | there || > | | > | >> still || > | | > | >> | > issues || > | | > | >> | > | > with it? Just curious.. || > | | > | >> | > | > || > | | > | >> | > | > -- || > | | > | >> | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com || > | | > | >> | > | > -- || > | | > | >> | > | > _________ || > | | > | >> | > | > || > | | > | >> | > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message || > | | > | >> | > | > news:uPntGK7vIHA.3760@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... || > | | > | >> | > | > | The mystery still remains as to where MSXML || > | | > | >> | > | > | 4.0 SP1 || > came || > | | > from, || > | | > | >> and || > | | > | >> | > what || > | | > | >> | > | > | disappeared those three other files, but what | caused || > some || > | | > grief || > | | > | >> was || > | | > | >> | > that || > | | > | >> | > | > the || > | | > | >> | > | > | machine was out of disk space. So we made || > | | > | >> | > | > | some, | were || > able || > | | > to || > | | > | >> get || > | | > | >> rid || > | | > | >> | > of || > | | > | >> | > | > the || > | | > | >> | > | > | firewall and a couple of other things, update || > | | > | >> | > | > | some || > apps, || > | | > | >> reinstall || > | | > | >> | > IE, || > | | > | >> | > | > etc. || > | | > | >> | > | > | There is another firewall in the mix, on the || > | | > | >> | > | > | Belkin || > | router, || > | | > and || > | | > | >> it || > | | > | >> | > seems || > | | > | >> | > | > to || > | | > | >> | > | > | be blocking Avast!, too. So we discovered that || > leaving || > | Web || > | | > | >> Shield || > | | > | >> | > out || > | | > | >> | > | > fixed || > | | > | >> | > | > | the problem with Avast!, just before their || > | | > | >> | > | > | tech || > response, || > | | > | >> though || > | | > | >> it || > | | > | >> | > | > doesn't || > | | > | >> | > | > | explain how the no-browser-allowed problem was || > occurring || > | | > when || > | | > | >> Avast! || > | | > | >> | > was || > | | > | >> | > | > | completely uninstalled. Whatever, it's worked || > | | > | >> | > | > | all day, today. || > | | > | >> | > | > | || > | | > | >> | > | > | I suspect further malware, but the system is || > | | > | >> | > | > | 98 || > Original || > | | > and || > | | > is || > | | > | >> the || > | | > | >> | > | > original || > | | > | >> | > | > | install. Had AOL for various years, then || > | | > | >> | > | > | EarthLink, || > then || > | | > this || > | | > | >> cable || > | | > | >> | > | > company, || > | | > | >> | > | > | all with their installations of branded || > | | > | >> | > | > | stuff, and || > the || > | | > cable || > | | > | >> | > company's || > | | > | >> | > | > | "reach into your system and FIX things" || > | | > | >> | > | > | umbilical, || > it's || > | | > hard || > | | > to || > | | > | >> sort || > | | > | >> | > | > stuff || > | | > | >> | > | > | out. Cleaned up what was necessary to clean up || > (machine || > | | > will || > | | > be || > | | > | >> | > | > replaced, || > | | > | >> | > | > | soon.) Further scans need to be run and a HJT || > | | > | >> | > | > | log done right. || > | | > | >> | > | > | || > | | > | >> | > | > | Had a problem with Outlook Express after || > | | > | >> | > | > | reinstall | of || > IE. || > | | > Went || > | | > | >> to || > | | > | >> WU || > | | > | >> | > and || > | | > | >> | > | > got || > | | > | >> | > | > | three updates, but then went back and one kept | being || > | | > reoffered. || > | | > | >> This || > | | > | >> | > was || > | | > | >> | > | > the || > | | > | >> | > | > | issue: || > | | > | >> | > | > | || > | | > | >> | > || > | | > | >> || > | | > || > http://www.computing.net/answers/windows-95/kb837009-problem/163986.html || > | | > | >> | > | > | || > | | > | >> | > | > | More to come if I remember more... || > | | > | >> | > | > | || > | | > | >> | > | > | -- || > | | > | >> | > | > | Gary S. Terhune || > | | > | >> | > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User || > | | > | >> | > | > | http://www.grystmill.com || > | | > | >> | > | > | || > | | > | >> | > | > | || > | | > | >> | > | > | "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in || > | | > | >> | > | > | message || > | | > | >> | > | > | news:483a5a3a$0$15179$607ed4bc@cv.net... || > | | > | >> | > | > | > Thank you everyone! I really appreciate you || > sticking || > | with || > | | > me || > | | > | >> | > through || > | | > | >> | > | > this. || > | | > | >> | > | > | > Someone || > | | > | >> | > | > | > sent me the 3 DLL files I was missing. I | installed || > them || > | | > and || > | | > | >> was || > | | > | >> | > able || > | | > | >> | > | > to || > | | > | >> | > | > | > run the || > | | > | >> | > | > | > repair tool for IE6SP1. But that didn't || > | | > | >> | > | > | > help. I || > cleaned || > | | > up || > | | > my || > | | > | >> | > startup || > | | > | >> | > | > | > items with help || > | | > | >> | > | > | > from the group. I deleted a lot of || > | | > | >> | > | > | > unnecessary || > files. || > I || > | | > | >> download || > | | > | >> | > | > IE6sp1 || > | | > | >> | > | > | > zip from an || > | | > | >> | > | > | > e-mail and Gary walked my through the | overinstall. || > I || > | | > follow || > | | > | >> your || > | | > | >> | > | > advice || > | | > | >> | > | > on || > | | > | >> | > | > | > just about || > | | > | >> | > | > | > every post. Forgive me for not answering || > | | > | >> | > | > | > all but | we || > | spent || > | | > | >> about || > | | > | >> 24 || > | | > | >> | > | > hours || > | | > | >> | > | > | > just going || > | | > | >> | > | > | > through this. This is my third day and we || > | | > | >> | > | > | > are || > finally || > | | > fixed. || > | | > | >> I || > | | > | >> | > think || > | | > | >> | > | > what || > | | > | >> | > | > | > did it is I || > | | > | >> | > | > | > removed my firewall.....'Trial of || > Transgressions'....I || > | | > think || > | | > | >> that || > | | > | >> | > was || > | | > | >> | > | > the || > | | > | >> | > | > | > name. and I || > | | > | >> | > | > | > only use Avast resident protection (virus || > | | > scanner).....not || > | | > | >> web || > | | > | >> | > | > protection || > | | > | >> | > | > | > or e-mail. || > | | > | >> | > | > | > Spybot tea timer removed, as Gary said. || > | | > | >> | > | > | > I ran scandisk. || > | | > | >> | > | > | > I did so many things it's hard to remember || > | | > | >> | > | > | > them || > all. || > | When || > | | > I || > | | > | >> start || > | | > | >> | > my || > | | > | >> | > | > | > computer any || > | | > | >> | > | > | > referral to ports, or joysticks, or the || > | | > | >> | > | > | > soundcard || > that || > | I || > | | > | >> never || > | | > | >> had || > | | > | >> | > are || > | | > | >> | > | > | > gone. A few || > | | > | >> | > | > | > little quirks remain such as when I try to || > | | > | >> | > | > | > send || > this || > | | > e-mail, || > | | > | >> I || > | | > | >> | > get || > | | > | >> | > an || > | | > | >> | > | > | > error message || > | | > | >> | > | > | > that the outbox can't be opened. So I will || > | | > | >> | > | > | > bypass || > the || > | | > outbox || > | | > | >> from || > | | > | >> | > now || > | | > | >> | > | > on || > | | > | >> | > | > | > and send || > | | > | >> | > | > | > messages right away. At least I can get || > | | > | >> | > | > | > online!!! thank you all. -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR pcrrcp@netzero.net
Guest MEB Posted June 1, 2008 Posted June 1, 2008 Re: IE Running well so far Thanks PCR, thought you said you had an older installation for a check... BTW if you could send me your old iuhist for comparison, it would be appreciated. I started new testing phases after the December 2005 issues., so all iuhist [that I remembered to save] after, have not got that in it. I'd like to compare my old ones with yours to see what else was removed. Perhaps you may have some other things missing which I may not have [due to several re-installations during the final support days or before] or overlooked.. m_brahier at hotmail dot com -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com -- _________ "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message news:enYFst5wIHA.2068@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... | MEB wrote: | | Okay, hopefully someone has an older installation that can verify | | prior WU installation to confirm that aspect. Doesn't PCR run an old | | installation? | | JUST like for you, IUHist.xml shows 823353 came in for me from Windows | Update. I got it one day before you. | | It is not at the Catalog for Win98 in any of the categories (looking for | 823353 or MS04-018), which finally has begun to work again after 3 | days... | http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/catalog/en/default.asp | | And it wasn't among my downloads from the Catalog. So, either I didn't | look quick enough for it or it never was there. HOWEVER... | | http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=19527 | Microsoft Security Bulletin MS04-018 | Cumulative Security Update for Outlook Express (823353) | | ...from our IUHist.xml DOES serve to get to it. Thanks to you & Terhune | (especially for testing it)-- I took it in, just in case I ever need to | reinstall it. I took in... | | . Microsoft Outlook Express 6 Service Pack 1 | IE6.0sp1-KB823353-x86-ENU.exe | Desc: Win32 Cabinet Self-Extractor | Size: 1,996,544 bytes | Ver: 6.00.2800.1168 | | I'm not sure whether the version refers to the update or the Extractor. | I DO verify that the files you mentioned are indeed the versions I've | got. Thanks again to you & Terhune. | | | -- | | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | | -- | | _________ | | | | "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | | news:egDoz10wIHA.4848@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... | || The 1409 versions are from KB837009. The version changes you list | || match my observations. | || | || -- | || Gary S. Terhune | || MS-MVP Shell/User | || http://www.grystmill.com | || | || "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | || news:%237%23eiP0wIHA.5096@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... | || > Finally had some time to look at IE6.0sp1-KB823353-x86-ENU | || > | || > The main files that would be apparently updated are: | || > | || > 6.00.2800.1441 - inetcomm.dll - via upgrade | || > 6.00.2800.1409 - via WU | || > | || > 6.00.2800.1437 - msoe.dll - via update | || > 6.00.2800.1409 - via WU | || > | || > 6.00.2800.1450 - wab32.dll - via update | || > 6.00.2800.1409 - via WU | || > | || > Of course that now means that we are basically recommending | || > non-official updating, though it IS based upon prior updates | || > provided and installed by WU | || > as I posted showing the iuhist.xml. | || > | || > I checked using the OE About screen, see if this is confirmed [i | || > haven't installed it yet as this would potentially affect present | || > tests]. | || > | || > We could also use some verification of versions by others. | || > | || > -- | || > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | || > -- | || > _________ | || > | || > "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | || > news:eDlZzcJwIHA.3384@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... | || > | Sounds like the plan... | || > | | || > | I'll have to check to see if that was one of those extra needed | || > | files that I had listed on the web page..if not, it will be | || > | | || > | -- | || > | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | || > | -- | || > | _________ | || > | | || > | "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | || > | news:erGCAzGwIHA.1772@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... | || > | | After reading the KB more closely, what KB823353 really says | || > | | is that it does is get rid of one of minor nuisance introduced | || > | | by KB837009 -- like that famous wandering "~" file, but also | || > | | another vulnerability in IE5.5SP1. Other than that, it | || > | | apparently includes everything in KB837009. IOW, it does | || > | | replace the "previous" patch entirely. (I looked inside, they | || > | | look nearly identical.) So what happened, probably, is that | || > | | reinstalling standard IE6SP1 over whatever she already had | || > | | installed (including KB823353) caused a mix-up that had WU | || > | | seeing KB837009 as required, not noting that KB823353 was | || > | | already present. Reinstalling KB837009 was only necessary in | || > | | order to stop WU from wanting to install it (and it fails | || > | | silently). | || > | | | || > | | I'm thinking that while it wasn't necessary to reinstall | || > | | KB837009, except to stop any nagging by WU, it was a good idea | || > | | to reinstall KB823353. As for PA Bear's encounter, it sound's | || > | | like that was an XP machine or it had an unofficial patch | || > | | installed, then reinstalled IE or something similar and ran | || > | | into the same issue, just with later versions. | || > | | | || > | | Anyway, I'm adding KB823353 to my Updates CDs just as soon as | || > | | another CD burning session is called for, which will be pretty | || > | | soon. | || > | | | || > | | -- | || > | | Gary S. Terhune | || > | | MS-MVP Shell/User | || > | | http://www.grystmill.com | || > | | | || > | | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | || > | | news:%23WJibtEwIHA.4848@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... | || > | | > Agreed, makes no sense except for the issues involved with | || > | | > its installation. | || > | | > | || > | | > Issues related to its installation > end of support > remove | || > | | > it from WU. | || > | | > | || > | | > This isn't the only file/update previously offered via WU, | || > | | > now "missing in action". | || > | | > | || > | | > -- | || > | | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | || > | | > -- | || > | | > _________ | || > | | > | || > | | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | || > | | > news:%23Jb$dmDwIHA.516@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... | || > | | > | Makes no sense, part deux... | || > | | > | | || > | | > | Result is that KB823353 is not considered a Critical | || > | | > | Update and thus shouldn't appear at WU. Yet it is listed | || > | | > | as a replacement for KB837009 which IS a Critical Update | || > | | > | (and apparently for good reason.) | || > | | > | | || > | | > | The SecUp CD precedes these Updates by a good two years. | | Shouldn't | || > be | || > | | > any | || > | | > | part of the problem. | || > | | > | | || > | | > | -- | || > | | > | Gary S. Terhune | || > | | > | MS-MVP Shell/User | || > | | > | http://www.grystmill.com | || > | | > | | || > | | > | "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | || > | | > | news:%23OnszBDwIHA.1980@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... | || > | | > | > Only thing I can glean from that is that I see why the | || > | | > | > switch listed in that exchange I linked to didn't work: | || > | | > | > It's /n:v, not /nv. | || > | | > | > | || > | | > | > I dunno, I'm tired of it. There have been too many | || > | | > | > different versions of IE/OE installed on the machine, | || > | | > | > starting with AOHell ten years ago and ending with | || > | | > | > whatever her cable ISP installed. In any case, my test | || > | | > | > machine is a mess from playing with that Auto-Patcher, | || > | | > | > and yet it | | would | || > seem | || > | | > that | || > | | > | > Windows Updates is not offering the some updates that it | | should | || > be. | || > | | > 837009 | || > | | > | > is the latest one for OE, and even during all the | || > | | > | > testing I did when putting together the Updates | || > | | > | > packages, I never saw any of these later versions, even | || > | | > | > though they're supposed to be offered by WU. | || > | | > | > | || > | | > | > -- | || > | | > | > Gary S. Terhune | || > | | > | > MS-MVP Shell/User | || > | | > | > http://www.grystmill.com | || > | | > | > | || > | | > | > "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | || > | | > | > news:uQnf5zCwIHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... | || > | | > | >> 837009 is listed on this system. The only 82**** in | || > | | > | >> Add/Remove I presently | || > | | > | >> have is 823559. Its not shown in IE or iuhist either. | || > | | > | >> Would | || > this | || > be | || > | | > | >> related | || > | | > | >> to the SecCD usage perhaps? | || > | | > | >> | || > | | > | >> I agree, if that was, in fact, the supposed | || > | | > | >> update/supercede, then that is | || > | | > | >> what should be offered. There were installation issues | || > | | > | >> associated with it, | || > | | > | >> so MAYBE Microsoft determined it would just delete/not | || > | | > | >> offer | | it | || > or | || > | | > SecCD | || > | | > | >> somehow over-rides installation. It did, however, | || > | | > | >> appear in the old installations [not SecCD updated] | || > | | > | >> documented in 2006. | || > | | > | >> | || > | | > | >> Affected Software: | || > | | > | >> . Microsoft Windows NT® Workstation 4.0 Service Pack 6a | || > | | > | >> . Microsoft Windows NT Server 4.0 Service Pack 6a | || > | | > | >> . Microsoft Windows NT Server 4.0 Terminal Server | || > | | > | >> Edition | || > Service | || > | | > Pack | || > | | > 6 | || > | | > | >> . Microsoft Windows 2000 Service Pack 2, Microsoft | || > | | > | >> Windows 2000 Service Pack | || > | | > | >> 3, Microsoft Windows 2000 Service Pack 4 | || > | | > | >> . Microsoft Windows XP and Microsoft Windows XP Service | || > | | > | >> Pack 1 . Microsoft Windows XP 64-Bit Edition Service | || > | | > | >> Pack 1 . Microsoft Windows XP 64-Bit Edition Version | || > | | > | >> 2003 . Microsoft Windows ServerT 2003 | || > | | > | >> . Microsoft Windows Server 2003 64-Bit Edition | || > | | > | >> . Microsoft Windows 98, Microsoft Windows 98 Second | || > | | > | >> Edition (SE), and Microsoft Windows Millennium Edition | || > | | > | >> (Me) - Review the FAQ section of this | || > | | > | >> bulletin for details about these operating systems. | || > | | > | >> | || > | | > | >> INFORMATION/DATA saved for 823353 shows [02/07 and | || > | | > | >> 02/16 of 2006]: | || > | | > | >> | || > | | > | >>> Answering to PA Bear, now with 887797 and 897715 | || > | | > | >>> missing, | || > 823353 | || > | is | || > | | > the | || > | | > | >> only | || > | | > | >>> reported update by Windows update... | || > | | > | >>> | || > | | > | >>> msoe.dll and inetcomm.dll are now 6.00.2800.1478 while | || > | | > | >>> wab32.dll is | || > | | > | >>> 6.00.2800.1106. | || > | | > | >> | || > | | > | >> Well, msoe.dll and inetcomm.dll have the version | || > | | > | >> numbers of the files contained in KB887797 *not* | || > | | > | >> KB823353 while the wab32.dll is the version coming with | || > | | > | >> plain SP1 (no KB823353 nor KB887797 installed). You | || > | | > | >> have a "wonderful" mix of versions there on your | || > | | > | >> machine right now :-/ | || > | | > | >> | || > | | > | >> So I stress you to install KB823353 with the /n:v | || > | | > | >> parameter once again (IE6.0sp1-KB823353-x86-ENU.exe | || > | | > | >> /n:v). Please try this one in normal mode, *not* safe | || > | | > | >> mode. Afterwards please compare the versions of the | || > | | > | >> following files with the ones on your machine - yes, | || > | | > | >> *all* of them! In the brackets you can find the version | || > | | > | >> and date of the files wich are contained in KB823353: | || > | | > | >> | || > | | > | >> directdb.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 03.03.2003) | || > | | > | >> inetcomm.dll (6.0.2800.1441 - 07.06.2004) | || > | | > | >> inetres.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004) | || > | | > | >> msident.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004) | || > | | > | >> msimn.exe (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004) | || > | | > | >> msoe.dll (6.0.2800.1437 - 26.05.2004) | || > | | > | >> msoeacct.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004) | || > | | > | >> msoeres.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004) | || > | | > | >> msoert2.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 03.03.2003) | || > | | > | >> oeimport.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004) | || > | | > | >> oemig50.exe (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004) | || > | | > | >> oemiglib.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004) | || > | | > | >> wab32.dll (6.0.2800.1450 - 24.06.2004) | || > | | > | >> wab.exe (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004) | || > | | > | >> wabfind.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004) | || > | | > | >> wabimp.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004) | || > | | > | >> wabmig.exe (6.0.2800.1123 - 03.03.2003) | || > | | > | >> | || > | | > | >> Could you please afterwards open Internet Explorer, | || > | | > | >> have look in "? -> Info" and please post *all* what's | || > | | > | >> listet there behind and under the "Update Version" | || > | | > | >> section? Yes *all* these "Q......"'s. | || > | | > | >> | || > | | > | >> AND: | || > | | > | >> | || > | | > | >> Date: Fri, Dec 16 2005 1:39 pm | || > | | > | >> From: "PA Bear" | || > | | > | >> | || > | | > | >> Thanks, Freudi. | || > | | > | >> | || > | | > | >> Dimitri, here's another description of how to do what | | Freudi's | || > | asked | || > | | > you | || > | | > | >> to | || > | | > | >> try: | || > | | > | >> | || > | | > | >> <paste> | || > | | > | >> Close OE. Clear History, delete Cookies and delete | || > | | > | >> Temporary Internet Files | || > | | > | >> via IE: Tools > Options > General, then... | || > | | > | >> | || > | | > | >> 1. Download the Cumulative Security Update for Outlook | | Express | || > 6 | || > | | > Service | || > | | > | >> Pack 1 (KB823353; all OSS) from the following link, | || > | | > | >> saving it to your Desktop: | || > | | > | >> | || > | | > | >> | || > | | > | || > | | || > | | | http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=AD6A96BC-DAF0-4EAB-89B8-BD702B3E3E5D&displaylang=en | || > | | > | >> | || > | | > | >> (or http://snipurl.com/8x9i) | || > | | > | >> | || > | | > | >> [ Optional: 2. Restart the computer in Safe Mode. | || > | | > | >> (During the reboot, keep | || > | | > | >> pressing the F8 key until the Windows Startup menu | || > | | > | >> appears > Choose Safe Mode > Enter.) ] | || > | | > | >> | || > | | > | >> 3. Rename the downloaded file to KB823353.EXE and copy | || > | | > | >> it to C:\ (the root | || > | | > | >> directory of drive C; assumes drive C is the boot drive) | || > | | > | >> | || > | | > | >> 4. Start > Run > (type in) C:\KB823353.EXE /N:V (Note | || > | | > | >> the space) press ENTER | || > | | > | >> | || > | | > | >> 5. Close the command window. | || > | | > | >> | || > | | > | >> 6. Reboot [into Windows] and then check in at Windows | || > | | > | >> Update to see KB823353 | || > | | > | >> is still offered. | || > | | > | >> </paste> | || > | | > | >> | || > | | > | >> Don't install any other OE updates, just answer #6 | || > | | > | >> above and either state the current versions of MSOE.DLL | || > | | > | >> and INETCOMM.DLL or post your reply using | || > | | > | >> OE instead of the web interface. | || > | | > | >> ~PA Bear | || > | | > | >> | || > | | > | >> Ottmar Freudenberger wrote: | || > | | > | >> <snip> | || > | | > | >>> Okay, so you've skipped the steps I've mentioned after | || > | | > | >>> having KB823353 installed? ;-) | || > | | > | >>> | || > | | > | >>> Uninstall them (KB887797 and KB897715) once again | || > | | > | >>> please. | || > | | > | >>> | || > | | > | >>> After you've unistalled them, try to install KB823353 | || > | | > | >>> with the parameter "/n:v". | || > | | > | >>> Assuming you've saved the | || > | | > | >>> "IE6.0sp1-KB823353-x86-ENU.exe" | || > file | || > in | || > | | > | >>> "C:\Downloads", you would have to enter the following | || > | | > | >>> in | | "Run" | || > in | || > | | > the | || > | | > | >>> Start menu: | || > | | > | >>> | || > | | > | >>> C:\Downloads\IE6.0sp1-KB823353-x86-ENU.exe /n:v | || > | | > | >>> | || > | | > | >>> Note, there's a blank after the EXE and no blank in | || > | | > | >>> the parameter. Let me know, if the installation of | || > | | > | >>> KB823353 has been successful this time | || > | | > | >> <snip> | || > | | > | >> | || > | | > | >> | || > | | > | >> Date: Fri, Dec 16 2005 6:19 pm | || > | | > | >> From: "PA Bear" | || > | | > | >> | || > | | > | >> ActiveX controls may not load as expected in Internet | | Explorer | || > due | || > | to | || > | | > | >> defense in depth changes introduced in cumulative | || > | | > | >> security update 896688 (MS05-052): | || > http://support.microsoft.com/Default.aspx?kbid=909889 | || > | | > | >> | || > | | > | >> A Web page that contains a custom ActiveX control may | || > | | > | >> not load as expected | || > | | > | >> in Internet Explorer due to defense in depth changes | || > | | > | >> introduced in cumulative security update 896688 | || > | | > | >> (MS05-052): | || > | | > | >> http://support.microsoft.com/Default.aspx?kbid=909738 | || > | | > | >> | || > | | > | >> => The fix detailed in 909889 involving the Registry | || > | | > | >> and OLE32.DLL is available at | || > | | > | >> | || > | | > | >> - http://patch-info.de/IE/Downloads/OLEfix.zip or | || > | | > | >> | || > | | > | >> - http://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/kb896688_fix.zip (a | || > | | > | >> small | | VB | || > app | || > | | > that | || > | | > | >> checks the 4 values and offers a repair option if any | || > | | > | >> of them are incorrect). | || > | | > | >> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) | || > | | > | >> MS MVP-Windows (IE/OE, Shell/User, Security), Aumha.org | || > | | > | >> VSOP, DTS-L.org | || > | | > | >> | || > | | > | >>> Ralf wrote: | || > | | > | >>> > I'd like to let the group know that the odd behavior | || > | | > | >>> > issue | || > which | || > | | > has | || > | | > | >> been | || > | | > | >>> > reported from various sources after installing the | || > | | > | >>> > December Microsoft Updates has been solved. I've | || > | | > | >>> > posted the details on my blog at | || > | | > | >>> > http://www.rottmann.net . | || > | | > | >>> > | || > | | > | >> | || > | | > | >> | || > | | > | >> -- | || > | | > | >> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | || > | | > | >> -- | || > | | > | >> _________ | || > | | > | >> | || > | | > | >> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | || > | | > | >> news:%2361bRhCwIHA.1768@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... | || > | | > | >> | Oh yeah... That /nv switch didn't work when I tried | || > | | > | >> | it. | | What | || > I | || > | | > don't | || > | | > | >> get | || > | | > | >> is | || > | | > | >> | where she got 823353, since I've yet to see it | || > | | > | >> | offered by Windows Updates. Thing is, KB823353 = | || > | | > | >> | MS04-18, whereas KB837009 = MS04-13. | | The | || > | notes | || > | | > in | || > | | > | >> | MS04-18 say that it replaces MS04-13. | || > | | > | >> | | || > | | > | >> | IOW, it would seem a failure of WU to not offer | || > | | > | >> | KB823353 to | || > my | || > | | > system. | || > | | > | >> I'd | || > | | > | >> | be interested to know from folks: In Add/Remove | || > | | > | >> | Programs, | | do | || > you | || > | | > have | || > | | > | >> either | || > | | > | >> | of these Updates listed (or both)? | || > | | > | >> | | || > | | > | >> | -- | || > | | > | >> | Gary S. Terhune | || > | | > | >> | MS-MVP Shell/User | || > | | > | >> | http://www.grystmill.com | || > | | > | >> | | || > | | > | >> | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | || > | | > | >> | news:u6qeXOCwIHA.704@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... | || > | | > | >> | > Frankly I'm not sure. When done with everything | || > | | > | >> | > else [file checks, anti-v/SpyWare, etc.] run | || > | | > | >> | > C:\WINDOWS\QFECheck.exe and see | || > if | || > | | > anything | || > | | > | >> is | || > | | > | >> | > messed up. | || > | | > | >> | > Might cross-check the Windows Update.log and | || > | | > | >> | > iuhist.xml | | if | || > you | || > | | > used | || > | | > | >> | > windowsupdate during the process. | || > | | > | >> | > | || > | | > | >> | > -- | || > | | > | >> | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | || > | | > | >> | > -- | || > | | > | >> | > _________ | || > | | > | >> | > | || > | | > | >> | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | || > | | > | >> | > news:uxvuLTBwIHA.4952@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... | || > | | > | >> | > | Uninstalled 823353, installed 837009, reinstalled | | 82353. | || > But | || > | | > I'm | || > | | > | >> not | || > | | > | >> | > clear | || > | | > | >> | > | that that was the thing to do. We were getting | || > | | > | >> | > | blitzy, | | so | || > I'm | || > | | > not | || > | | > | >> sure. | || > | | > | >> | > | | || > | | > | >> | > | -- | || > | | > | >> | > | Gary S. Terhune | || > | | > | >> | > | MS-MVP Shell/User | || > | | > | >> | > | http://www.grystmill.com | || > | | > | >> | > | | || > | | > | >> | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | || > | | > | >> | > | news:OE$y%23F8vIHA.2360@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... | || > | | > | >> | > | > Did you fix it with /N:V fix, or the reg entry, | || > | | > | >> | > | > or | | are | || > | there | || > | | > | >> still | || > | | > | >> | > issues | || > | | > | >> | > | > with it? Just curious.. | || > | | > | >> | > | > | || > | | > | >> | > | > -- | || > | | > | >> | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | || > | | > | >> | > | > -- | || > | | > | >> | > | > _________ | || > | | > | >> | > | > | || > | | > | >> | > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | || > | | > | >> | > | > news:uPntGK7vIHA.3760@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... | || > | | > | >> | > | > | The mystery still remains as to where MSXML | || > | | > | >> | > | > | 4.0 SP1 | || > came | || > | | > from, | || > | | > | >> and | || > | | > | >> | > what | || > | | > | >> | > | > | disappeared those three other files, but what | | caused | || > some | || > | | > grief | || > | | > | >> was | || > | | > | >> | > that | || > | | > | >> | > | > the | || > | | > | >> | > | > | machine was out of disk space. So we made | || > | | > | >> | > | > | some, | | were | || > able | || > | | > to | || > | | > | >> get | || > | | > | >> rid | || > | | > | >> | > of | || > | | > | >> | > | > the | || > | | > | >> | > | > | firewall and a couple of other things, update | || > | | > | >> | > | > | some | || > apps, | || > | | > | >> reinstall | || > | | > | >> | > IE, | || > | | > | >> | > | > etc. | || > | | > | >> | > | > | There is another firewall in the mix, on the | || > | | > | >> | > | > | Belkin | || > | router, | || > | | > and | || > | | > | >> it | || > | | > | >> | > seems | || > | | > | >> | > | > to | || > | | > | >> | > | > | be blocking Avast!, too. So we discovered that | || > leaving | || > | Web | || > | | > | >> Shield | || > | | > | >> | > out | || > | | > | >> | > | > fixed | || > | | > | >> | > | > | the problem with Avast!, just before their | || > | | > | >> | > | > | tech | || > response, | || > | | > | >> though | || > | | > | >> it | || > | | > | >> | > | > doesn't | || > | | > | >> | > | > | explain how the no-browser-allowed problem was | || > occurring | || > | | > when | || > | | > | >> Avast! | || > | | > | >> | > was | || > | | > | >> | > | > | completely uninstalled. Whatever, it's worked | || > | | > | >> | > | > | all day, today. | || > | | > | >> | > | > | | || > | | > | >> | > | > | I suspect further malware, but the system is | || > | | > | >> | > | > | 98 | || > Original | || > | | > and | || > | | > is | || > | | > | >> the | || > | | > | >> | > | > original | || > | | > | >> | > | > | install. Had AOL for various years, then | || > | | > | >> | > | > | EarthLink, | || > then | || > | | > this | || > | | > | >> cable | || > | | > | >> | > | > company, | || > | | > | >> | > | > | all with their installations of branded | || > | | > | >> | > | > | stuff, and | || > the | || > | | > cable | || > | | > | >> | > company's | || > | | > | >> | > | > | "reach into your system and FIX things" | || > | | > | >> | > | > | umbilical, | || > it's | || > | | > hard | || > | | > to | || > | | > | >> sort | || > | | > | >> | > | > stuff | || > | | > | >> | > | > | out. Cleaned up what was necessary to clean up | || > (machine | || > | | > will | || > | | > be | || > | | > | >> | > | > replaced, | || > | | > | >> | > | > | soon.) Further scans need to be run and a HJT | || > | | > | >> | > | > | log done right. | || > | | > | >> | > | > | | || > | | > | >> | > | > | Had a problem with Outlook Express after | || > | | > | >> | > | > | reinstall | | of | || > IE. | || > | | > Went | || > | | > | >> to | || > | | > | >> WU | || > | | > | >> | > and | || > | | > | >> | > | > got | || > | | > | >> | > | > | three updates, but then went back and one kept | | being | || > | | > reoffered. | || > | | > | >> This | || > | | > | >> | > was | || > | | > | >> | > | > the | || > | | > | >> | > | > | issue: | || > | | > | >> | > | > | | || > | | > | >> | > | || > | | > | >> | || > | | > | || > | http://www.computing.net/answers/windows-95/kb837009-problem/163986.html | || > | | > | >> | > | > | | || > | | > | >> | > | > | More to come if I remember more... | || > | | > | >> | > | > | | || > | | > | >> | > | > | -- | || > | | > | >> | > | > | Gary S. Terhune | || > | | > | >> | > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User | || > | | > | >> | > | > | http://www.grystmill.com | || > | | > | >> | > | > | | || > | | > | >> | > | > | | || > | | > | >> | > | > | "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in | || > | | > | >> | > | > | message | || > | | > | >> | > | > | news:483a5a3a$0$15179$607ed4bc@cv.net... | || > | | > | >> | > | > | > Thank you everyone! I really appreciate you | || > sticking | || > | with | || > | | > me | || > | | > | >> | > through | || > | | > | >> | > | > this. | || > | | > | >> | > | > | > Someone | || > | | > | >> | > | > | > sent me the 3 DLL files I was missing. I | | installed | || > them | || > | | > and | || > | | > | >> was | || > | | > | >> | > able | || > | | > | >> | > | > to | || > | | > | >> | > | > | > run the | || > | | > | >> | > | > | > repair tool for IE6SP1. But that didn't | || > | | > | >> | > | > | > help. I | || > cleaned | || > | | > up | || > | | > my | || > | | > | >> | > startup | || > | | > | >> | > | > | > items with help | || > | | > | >> | > | > | > from the group. I deleted a lot of | || > | | > | >> | > | > | > unnecessary | || > files. | || > I | || > | | > | >> download | || > | | > | >> | > | > IE6sp1 | || > | | > | >> | > | > | > zip from an | || > | | > | >> | > | > | > e-mail and Gary walked my through the | | overinstall. | || > I | || > | | > follow | || > | | > | >> your | || > | | > | >> | > | > advice | || > | | > | >> | > | > on | || > | | > | >> | > | > | > just about | || > | | > | >> | > | > | > every post. Forgive me for not answering | || > | | > | >> | > | > | > all but | | we | || > | spent | || > | | > | >> about | || > | | > | >> 24 | || > | | > | >> | > | > hours | || > | | > | >> | > | > | > just going | || > | | > | >> | > | > | > through this. This is my third day and we | || > | | > | >> | > | > | > are | || > finally | || > | | > fixed. | || > | | > | >> I | || > | | > | >> | > think | || > | | > | >> | > | > what | || > | | > | >> | > | > | > did it is I | || > | | > | >> | > | > | > removed my firewall.....'Trial of | || > Transgressions'....I | || > | | > think | || > | | > | >> that | || > | | > | >> | > was | || > | | > | >> | > | > the | || > | | > | >> | > | > | > name. and I | || > | | > | >> | > | > | > only use Avast resident protection (virus | || > | | > scanner).....not | || > | | > | >> web | || > | | > | >> | > | > protection | || > | | > | >> | > | > | > or e-mail. | || > | | > | >> | > | > | > Spybot tea timer removed, as Gary said. | || > | | > | >> | > | > | > I ran scandisk. | || > | | > | >> | > | > | > I did so many things it's hard to remember | || > | | > | >> | > | > | > them | || > all. | || > | When | || > | | > I | || > | | > | >> start | || > | | > | >> | > my | || > | | > | >> | > | > | > computer any | || > | | > | >> | > | > | > referral to ports, or joysticks, or the | || > | | > | >> | > | > | > soundcard | || > that | || > | I | || > | | > | >> never | || > | | > | >> had | || > | | > | >> | > are | || > | | > | >> | > | > | > gone. A few | || > | | > | >> | > | > | > little quirks remain such as when I try to | || > | | > | >> | > | > | > send | || > this | || > | | > e-mail, | || > | | > | >> I | || > | | > | >> | > get | || > | | > | >> | > an | || > | | > | >> | > | > | > error message | || > | | > | >> | > | > | > that the outbox can't be opened. So I will | || > | | > | >> | > | > | > bypass | || > the | || > | | > outbox | || > | | > | >> from | || > | | > | >> | > now | || > | | > | >> | > | > on | || > | | > | >> | > | > | > and send | || > | | > | >> | > | > | > messages right away. At least I can get | || > | | > | >> | > | > | > online!!! thank you all. | | -- | Thanks or Good Luck, | There may be humor in this post, and, | Naturally, you will not sue, | Should things get worse after this, | PCR | pcrrcp@netzero.net | |
Guest PCR Posted June 1, 2008 Posted June 1, 2008 Re: IE Running well so far MEB wrote: | Thanks PCR, thought you said you had an older installation for a | check... I have only one, fully updated installation of Win98SE. | BTW if you could send me your old iuhist for comparison, it | would be appreciated. I have only one IUHist.xml. It requires an internet connection to work. Are you sure mine would work on your machine? I'm not sure I want to part with it! Is it safe to have someone else look inside mine? It's a big mess, anyhow! | I started new testing phases after the December | 2005 issues., so all iuhist [that I remembered to save] after, have | not got that in it. I'd like to compare my old ones with yours to see | what else was removed. Perhaps you may have some other things missing | which I may not have [due to several re-installations during the | final support days or before] or overlooked.. | | m_brahier at hotmail dot com | | -- | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | -- | _________ | | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message | news:enYFst5wIHA.2068@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... || MEB wrote: || | Okay, hopefully someone has an older installation that can verify || | prior WU installation to confirm that aspect. Doesn't PCR run an || | old installation? || || JUST like for you, IUHist.xml shows 823353 came in for me from || Windows Update. I got it one day before you. || || It is not at the Catalog for Win98 in any of the categories (looking || for 823353 or MS04-018), which finally has begun to work again after || 3 days... || http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/catalog/en/default.asp || || And it wasn't among my downloads from the Catalog. So, either I || didn't look quick enough for it or it never was there. HOWEVER... || || http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=19527 || Microsoft Security Bulletin MS04-018 || Cumulative Security Update for Outlook Express (823353) || || ...from our IUHist.xml DOES serve to get to it. Thanks to you & || Terhune (especially for testing it)-- I took it in, just in case I || ever need to reinstall it. I took in... || || . Microsoft Outlook Express 6 Service Pack 1 || IE6.0sp1-KB823353-x86-ENU.exe || Desc: Win32 Cabinet Self-Extractor || Size: 1,996,544 bytes || Ver: 6.00.2800.1168 || || I'm not sure whether the version refers to the update or the || Extractor. I DO verify that the files you mentioned are indeed the || versions I've got. Thanks again to you & Terhune. || || | -- || | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com || | -- || | _________ || | || | "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message || | news:egDoz10wIHA.4848@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... || || The 1409 versions are from KB837009. The version changes you list || || match my observations. || || || || -- || || Gary S. Terhune || || MS-MVP Shell/User || || http://www.grystmill.com || || || || "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message || || news:%237%23eiP0wIHA.5096@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... || || > Finally had some time to look at IE6.0sp1-KB823353-x86-ENU || || > || || > The main files that would be apparently updated are: || || > || || > 6.00.2800.1441 - inetcomm.dll - via upgrade || || > 6.00.2800.1409 - via WU || || > || || > 6.00.2800.1437 - msoe.dll - via update || || > 6.00.2800.1409 - via WU || || > || || > 6.00.2800.1450 - wab32.dll - via update || || > 6.00.2800.1409 - via WU || || > || || > Of course that now means that we are basically recommending || || > non-official updating, though it IS based upon prior updates || || > provided and installed by WU || || > as I posted showing the iuhist.xml. || || > || || > I checked using the OE About screen, see if this is confirmed [i || || > haven't installed it yet as this would potentially affect || || > present tests]. || || > || || > We could also use some verification of versions by others. || || > || || > -- || || > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com || || > -- || || > _________ || || > || || > "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message || || > news:eDlZzcJwIHA.3384@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... || || > | Sounds like the plan... || || > | || || > | I'll have to check to see if that was one of those extra || || > | needed files that I had listed on the web page..if not, it || || > | will be || || > | || || > | -- || || > | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com || || > | -- || || > | _________ || || > | || || > | "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message || || > | news:erGCAzGwIHA.1772@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... || || > | | After reading the KB more closely, what KB823353 really says || || > | | is that it does is get rid of one of minor nuisance || || > | | introduced by KB837009 -- like that famous wandering "~" || || > | | file, but also another vulnerability in IE5.5SP1. Other || || > | | than that, it apparently includes everything in KB837009. || || > | | IOW, it does replace the "previous" patch entirely. (I || || > | | looked inside, they look nearly identical.) So what || || > | | happened, probably, is that reinstalling standard IE6SP1 || || > | | over whatever she already had installed (including || || > | | KB823353) caused a mix-up that had WU seeing KB837009 as || || > | | required, not noting that KB823353 was already present. || || > | | Reinstalling KB837009 was only necessary in order to stop || || > | | WU from wanting to install it (and it fails silently). || || > | | || || > | | I'm thinking that while it wasn't necessary to reinstall || || > | | KB837009, except to stop any nagging by WU, it was a good || || > | | idea to reinstall KB823353. As for PA Bear's encounter, it || || > | | sound's like that was an XP machine or it had an unofficial || || > | | patch installed, then reinstalled IE or something similar || || > | | and ran into the same issue, just with later versions. || || > | | || || > | | Anyway, I'm adding KB823353 to my Updates CDs just as soon || || > | | as another CD burning session is called for, which will be || || > | | pretty soon. || || > | | || || > | | -- || || > | | Gary S. Terhune || || > | | MS-MVP Shell/User || || > | | http://www.grystmill.com || || > | | || || > | | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message || || > | | news:%23WJibtEwIHA.4848@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... || || > | | > Agreed, makes no sense except for the issues involved with || || > | | > its installation. || || > | | > || || > | | > Issues related to its installation > end of support > || || > | | > remove it from WU. || || > | | > || || > | | > This isn't the only file/update previously offered via WU, || || > | | > now "missing in action". || || > | | > || || > | | > -- || || > | | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com || || > | | > -- || || > | | > _________ || || > | | > || || > | | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message || || > | | > news:%23Jb$dmDwIHA.516@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... || || > | | > | Makes no sense, part deux... || || > | | > | || || > | | > | Result is that KB823353 is not considered a Critical || || > | | > | Update and thus shouldn't appear at WU. Yet it is listed || || > | | > | as a replacement for KB837009 which IS a Critical Update || || > | | > | (and apparently for good reason.) || || > | | > | || || > | | > | The SecUp CD precedes these Updates by a good two years. || | Shouldn't || || > be || || > | | > any || || > | | > | part of the problem. || || > | | > | || || > | | > | -- || || > | | > | Gary S. Terhune || || > | | > | MS-MVP Shell/User || || > | | > | http://www.grystmill.com || || > | | > | || || > | | > | "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message || || > | | > | news:%23OnszBDwIHA.1980@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... || || > | | > | > Only thing I can glean from that is that I see why the || || > | | > | > switch listed in that exchange I linked to didn't || || > | | > | > work: It's /n:v, not /nv. || || > | | > | > || || > | | > | > I dunno, I'm tired of it. There have been too many || || > | | > | > different versions of IE/OE installed on the machine, || || > | | > | > starting with AOHell ten years ago and ending with || || > | | > | > whatever her cable ISP installed. In any case, my test || || > | | > | > machine is a mess from playing with that Auto-Patcher, || || > | | > | > and yet it || | would || || > seem || || > | | > that || || > | | > | > Windows Updates is not offering the some updates that || || > | | > | > it || | should || || > be. || || > | | > 837009 || || > | | > | > is the latest one for OE, and even during all the || || > | | > | > testing I did when putting together the Updates || || > | | > | > packages, I never saw any of these later versions, || || > | | > | > even though they're supposed to be offered by WU. || || > | | > | > || || > | | > | > -- || || > | | > | > Gary S. Terhune || || > | | > | > MS-MVP Shell/User || || > | | > | > http://www.grystmill.com || || > | | > | > || || > | | > | > "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message || || > | | > | > news:uQnf5zCwIHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... || || > | | > | >> 837009 is listed on this system. The only 82**** in || || > | | > | >> Add/Remove I presently || || > | | > | >> have is 823559. Its not shown in IE or iuhist either. || || > | | > | >> Would || || > this || || > be || || > | | > | >> related || || > | | > | >> to the SecCD usage perhaps? || || > | | > | >> || || > | | > | >> I agree, if that was, in fact, the supposed || || > | | > | >> update/supercede, then that is || || > | | > | >> what should be offered. There were installation || || > | | > | >> issues associated with it, || || > | | > | >> so MAYBE Microsoft determined it would just || || > | | > | >> delete/not offer || | it || || > or || || > | | > SecCD || || > | | > | >> somehow over-rides installation. It did, however, || || > | | > | >> appear in the old installations [not SecCD updated] || || > | | > | >> documented in 2006. || || > | | > | >> || || > | | > | >> Affected Software: || || > | | > | >> . Microsoft Windows NT® Workstation 4.0 Service Pack || || > | | > | >> 6a . Microsoft Windows NT Server 4.0 Service Pack 6a || || > | | > | >> . Microsoft Windows NT Server 4.0 Terminal Server || || > | | > | >> Edition || || > Service || || > | | > Pack || || > | | > 6 || || > | | > | >> . Microsoft Windows 2000 Service Pack 2, Microsoft || || > | | > | >> Windows 2000 Service Pack || || > | | > | >> 3, Microsoft Windows 2000 Service Pack 4 || || > | | > | >> . Microsoft Windows XP and Microsoft Windows XP || || > | | > | >> Service Pack 1 . Microsoft Windows XP 64-Bit Edition || || > | | > | >> Service Pack 1 . Microsoft Windows XP 64-Bit Edition || || > | | > | >> Version 2003 . Microsoft Windows ServerT 2003 || || > | | > | >> . Microsoft Windows Server 2003 64-Bit Edition || || > | | > | >> . Microsoft Windows 98, Microsoft Windows 98 Second || || > | | > | >> Edition (SE), and Microsoft Windows Millennium || || > | | > | >> Edition (Me) - Review the FAQ section of this || || > | | > | >> bulletin for details about these operating systems. || || > | | > | >> || || > | | > | >> INFORMATION/DATA saved for 823353 shows [02/07 and || || > | | > | >> 02/16 of 2006]: || || > | | > | >> || || > | | > | >>> Answering to PA Bear, now with 887797 and 897715 || || > | | > | >>> missing, || || > 823353 || || > | is || || > | | > the || || > | | > | >> only || || > | | > | >>> reported update by Windows update... || || > | | > | >>> || || > | | > | >>> msoe.dll and inetcomm.dll are now 6.00.2800.1478 || || > | | > | >>> while wab32.dll is || || > | | > | >>> 6.00.2800.1106. || || > | | > | >> || || > | | > | >> Well, msoe.dll and inetcomm.dll have the version || || > | | > | >> numbers of the files contained in KB887797 *not* || || > | | > | >> KB823353 while the wab32.dll is the version coming || || > | | > | >> with plain SP1 (no KB823353 nor KB887797 installed). || || > | | > | >> You have a "wonderful" mix of versions there on your || || > | | > | >> machine right now :-/ || || > | | > | >> || || > | | > | >> So I stress you to install KB823353 with the /n:v || || > | | > | >> parameter once again (IE6.0sp1-KB823353-x86-ENU.exe || || > | | > | >> /n:v). Please try this one in normal mode, *not* safe || || > | | > | >> mode. Afterwards please compare the versions of the || || > | | > | >> following files with the ones on your machine - yes, || || > | | > | >> *all* of them! In the brackets you can find the || || > | | > | >> version and date of the files wich are contained in || || > | | > | >> KB823353: || || > | | > | >> || || > | | > | >> directdb.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 03.03.2003) || || > | | > | >> inetcomm.dll (6.0.2800.1441 - 07.06.2004) || || > | | > | >> inetres.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004) || || > | | > | >> msident.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004) || || > | | > | >> msimn.exe (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004) || || > | | > | >> msoe.dll (6.0.2800.1437 - 26.05.2004) || || > | | > | >> msoeacct.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004) || || > | | > | >> msoeres.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004) || || > | | > | >> msoert2.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 03.03.2003) || || > | | > | >> oeimport.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004) || || > | | > | >> oemig50.exe (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004) || || > | | > | >> oemiglib.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004) || || > | | > | >> wab32.dll (6.0.2800.1450 - 24.06.2004) || || > | | > | >> wab.exe (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004) || || > | | > | >> wabfind.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004) || || > | | > | >> wabimp.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004) || || > | | > | >> wabmig.exe (6.0.2800.1123 - 03.03.2003) || || > | | > | >> || || > | | > | >> Could you please afterwards open Internet Explorer, || || > | | > | >> have look in "? -> Info" and please post *all* what's || || > | | > | >> listet there behind and under the "Update Version" || || > | | > | >> section? Yes *all* these "Q......"'s. || || > | | > | >> || || > | | > | >> AND: || || > | | > | >> || || > | | > | >> Date: Fri, Dec 16 2005 1:39 pm || || > | | > | >> From: "PA Bear" || || > | | > | >> || || > | | > | >> Thanks, Freudi. || || > | | > | >> || || > | | > | >> Dimitri, here's another description of how to do what || | Freudi's || || > | asked || || > | | > you || || > | | > | >> to || || > | | > | >> try: || || > | | > | >> || || > | | > | >> <paste> || || > | | > | >> Close OE. Clear History, delete Cookies and delete || || > | | > | >> Temporary Internet Files || || > | | > | >> via IE: Tools > Options > General, then... || || > | | > | >> || || > | | > | >> 1. Download the Cumulative Security Update for || || > | | > | >> Outlook || | Express || || > 6 || || > | | > Service || || > | | > | >> Pack 1 (KB823353; all OSS) from the following link, || || > | | > | >> saving it to your Desktop: || || > | | > | >> || || > | | > | >> || || > | | > || || > | || || > || | || | http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=AD6A96BC-DAF0-4EAB-89B8-BD702B3E3E5D&displaylang=en || || > | | > | >> || || > | | > | >> (or http://snipurl.com/8x9i) || || > | | > | >> || || > | | > | >> [ Optional: 2. Restart the computer in Safe Mode. || || > | | > | >> (During the reboot, keep || || > | | > | >> pressing the F8 key until the Windows Startup menu || || > | | > | >> appears > Choose Safe Mode > Enter.) ] || || > | | > | >> || || > | | > | >> 3. Rename the downloaded file to KB823353.EXE and || || > | | > | >> copy it to C:\ (the root || || > | | > | >> directory of drive C; assumes drive C is the boot || || > | | > | >> drive) || || > | | > | >> || || > | | > | >> 4. Start > Run > (type in) C:\KB823353.EXE /N:V (Note || || > | | > | >> the space) press ENTER || || > | | > | >> || || > | | > | >> 5. Close the command window. || || > | | > | >> || || > | | > | >> 6. Reboot [into Windows] and then check in at Windows || || > | | > | >> Update to see KB823353 || || > | | > | >> is still offered. || || > | | > | >> </paste> || || > | | > | >> || || > | | > | >> Don't install any other OE updates, just answer #6 || || > | | > | >> above and either state the current versions of || || > | | > | >> MSOE.DLL and INETCOMM.DLL or post your reply using || || > | | > | >> OE instead of the web interface. || || > | | > | >> ~PA Bear || || > | | > | >> || || > | | > | >> Ottmar Freudenberger wrote: || || > | | > | >> <snip> || || > | | > | >>> Okay, so you've skipped the steps I've mentioned || || > | | > | >>> after having KB823353 installed? ;-) || || > | | > | >>> || || > | | > | >>> Uninstall them (KB887797 and KB897715) once again || || > | | > | >>> please. || || > | | > | >>> || || > | | > | >>> After you've unistalled them, try to install || || > | | > | >>> KB823353 with the parameter "/n:v". || || > | | > | >>> Assuming you've saved the || || > | | > | >>> "IE6.0sp1-KB823353-x86-ENU.exe" || || > file || || > in || || > | | > | >>> "C:\Downloads", you would have to enter the || || > | | > | >>> following in || | "Run" || || > in || || > | | > the || || > | | > | >>> Start menu: || || > | | > | >>> || || > | | > | >>> C:\Downloads\IE6.0sp1-KB823353-x86-ENU.exe /n:v || || > | | > | >>> || || > | | > | >>> Note, there's a blank after the EXE and no blank in || || > | | > | >>> the parameter. Let me know, if the installation of || || > | | > | >>> KB823353 has been successful this time || || > | | > | >> <snip> || || > | | > | >> || || > | | > | >> || || > | | > | >> Date: Fri, Dec 16 2005 6:19 pm || || > | | > | >> From: "PA Bear" || || > | | > | >> || || > | | > | >> ActiveX controls may not load as expected in Internet || | Explorer || || > due || || > | to || || > | | > | >> defense in depth changes introduced in cumulative || || > | | > | >> security update 896688 (MS05-052): || || > http://support.microsoft.com/Default.aspx?kbid=909889 || || > | | > | >> || || > | | > | >> A Web page that contains a custom ActiveX control may || || > | | > | >> not load as expected || || > | | > | >> in Internet Explorer due to defense in depth changes || || > | | > | >> introduced in cumulative security update 896688 || || > | | > | >> (MS05-052): || || > | | > | >> http://support.microsoft.com/Default.aspx?kbid=909738 || || > | | > | >> || || > | | > | >> => The fix detailed in 909889 involving the Registry || || > | | > | >> and OLE32.DLL is available at || || > | | > | >> || || > | | > | >> - http://patch-info.de/IE/Downloads/OLEfix.zip or || || > | | > | >> || || > | | > | >> - http://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/kb896688_fix.zip || || > | | > | >> (a small || | VB || || > app || || > | | > that || || > | | > | >> checks the 4 values and offers a repair option if any || || > | | > | >> of them are incorrect). || || > | | > | >> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) || || > | | > | >> MS MVP-Windows (IE/OE, Shell/User, Security), || || > | | > | >> Aumha.org VSOP, DTS-L.org || || > | | > | >> || || > | | > | >>> Ralf wrote: || || > | | > | >>> > I'd like to let the group know that the odd || || > | | > | >>> > behavior issue || || > which || || > | | > has || || > | | > | >> been || || > | | > | >>> > reported from various sources after installing the || || > | | > | >>> > December Microsoft Updates has been solved. I've || || > | | > | >>> > posted the details on my blog at || || > | | > | >>> > http://www.rottmann.net . || || > | | > | >>> > || || > | | > | >> || || > | | > | >> || || > | | > | >> -- || || > | | > | >> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com || || > | | > | >> -- || || > | | > | >> _________ || || > | | > | >> || || > | | > | >> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message || || > | | > | >> news:%2361bRhCwIHA.1768@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... || || > | | > | >> | Oh yeah... That /nv switch didn't work when I tried || || > | | > | >> | it. || | What || || > I || || > | | > don't || || > | | > | >> get || || > | | > | >> is || || > | | > | >> | where she got 823353, since I've yet to see it || || > | | > | >> | offered by Windows Updates. Thing is, KB823353 = || || > | | > | >> | MS04-18, whereas KB837009 = MS04-13. || | The || || > | notes || || > | | > in || || > | | > | >> | MS04-18 say that it replaces MS04-13. || || > | | > | >> | || || > | | > | >> | IOW, it would seem a failure of WU to not offer || || > | | > | >> | KB823353 to || || > my || || > | | > system. || || > | | > | >> I'd || || > | | > | >> | be interested to know from folks: In Add/Remove || || > | | > | >> | Programs, || | do || || > you || || > | | > have || || > | | > | >> either || || > | | > | >> | of these Updates listed (or both)? || || > | | > | >> | || || > | | > | >> | -- || || > | | > | >> | Gary S. Terhune || || > | | > | >> | MS-MVP Shell/User || || > | | > | >> | http://www.grystmill.com || || > | | > | >> | || || > | | > | >> | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message || || > | | > | >> | news:u6qeXOCwIHA.704@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... || || > | | > | >> | > Frankly I'm not sure. When done with everything || || > | | > | >> | > else [file checks, anti-v/SpyWare, etc.] run || || > | | > | >> | > C:\WINDOWS\QFECheck.exe and see || || > if || || > | | > anything || || > | | > | >> is || || > | | > | >> | > messed up. || || > | | > | >> | > Might cross-check the Windows Update.log and || || > | | > | >> | > iuhist.xml || | if || || > you || || > | | > used || || > | | > | >> | > windowsupdate during the process. || || > | | > | >> | > || || > | | > | >> | > -- || || > | | > | >> | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com || || > | | > | >> | > -- || || > | | > | >> | > _________ || || > | | > | >> | > || || > | | > | >> | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message || || > | | > | >> | > news:uxvuLTBwIHA.4952@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... || || > | | > | >> | > | Uninstalled 823353, installed 837009, || || > | | > | >> | > | reinstalled || | 82353. || || > But || || > | | > I'm || || > | | > | >> not || || > | | > | >> | > clear || || > | | > | >> | > | that that was the thing to do. We were getting || || > | | > | >> | > | blitzy, || | so || || > I'm || || > | | > not || || > | | > | >> sure. || || > | | > | >> | > | || || > | | > | >> | > | -- || || > | | > | >> | > | Gary S. Terhune || || > | | > | >> | > | MS-MVP Shell/User || || > | | > | >> | > | http://www.grystmill.com || || > | | > | >> | > | || || > | | > | >> | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in || || > | | > | >> | > | message || || > | | > | >> | > | news:OE$y%23F8vIHA.2360@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... || || > | | > | >> | > | > Did you fix it with /N:V fix, or the reg || || > | | > | >> | > | > entry, or || | are || || > | there || || > | | > | >> still || || > | | > | >> | > issues || || > | | > | >> | > | > with it? Just curious.. || || > | | > | >> | > | > || || > | | > | >> | > | > -- || || > | | > | >> | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com || || > | | > | >> | > | > -- || || > | | > | >> | > | > _________ || || > | | > | >> | > | > || || > | | > | >> | > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message || || > | | > | >> | > | > news:uPntGK7vIHA.3760@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... || || > | | > | >> | > | > | The mystery still remains as to where MSXML || || > | | > | >> | > | > | 4.0 SP1 || || > came || || > | | > from, || || > | | > | >> and || || > | | > | >> | > what || || > | | > | >> | > | > | disappeared those three other files, but || || > | | > | >> | > | > | what || | caused || || > some || || > | | > grief || || > | | > | >> was || || > | | > | >> | > that || || > | | > | >> | > | > the || || > | | > | >> | > | > | machine was out of disk space. So we made || || > | | > | >> | > | > | some, || | were || || > able || || > | | > to || || > | | > | >> get || || > | | > | >> rid || || > | | > | >> | > of || || > | | > | >> | > | > the || || > | | > | >> | > | > | firewall and a couple of other things, || || > | | > | >> | > | > | update some || || > apps, || || > | | > | >> reinstall || || > | | > | >> | > IE, || || > | | > | >> | > | > etc. || || > | | > | >> | > | > | There is another firewall in the mix, on || || > | | > | >> | > | > | the Belkin || || > | router, || || > | | > and || || > | | > | >> it || || > | | > | >> | > seems || || > | | > | >> | > | > to || || > | | > | >> | > | > | be blocking Avast!, too. So we discovered || || > | | > | >> | > | > | that || || > leaving || || > | Web || || > | | > | >> Shield || || > | | > | >> | > out || || > | | > | >> | > | > fixed || || > | | > | >> | > | > | the problem with Avast!, just before their || || > | | > | >> | > | > | tech || || > response, || || > | | > | >> though || || > | | > | >> it || || > | | > | >> | > | > doesn't || || > | | > | >> | > | > | explain how the no-browser-allowed problem || || > | | > | >> | > | > | was || || > occurring || || > | | > when || || > | | > | >> Avast! || || > | | > | >> | > was || || > | | > | >> | > | > | completely uninstalled. Whatever, it's || || > | | > | >> | > | > | worked all day, today. || || > | | > | >> | > | > | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | I suspect further malware, but the system || || > | | > | >> | > | > | is 98 || || > Original || || > | | > and || || > | | > is || || > | | > | >> the || || > | | > | >> | > | > original || || > | | > | >> | > | > | install. Had AOL for various years, then || || > | | > | >> | > | > | EarthLink, || || > then || || > | | > this || || > | | > | >> cable || || > | | > | >> | > | > company, || || > | | > | >> | > | > | all with their installations of branded || || > | | > | >> | > | > | stuff, and || || > the || || > | | > cable || || > | | > | >> | > company's || || > | | > | >> | > | > | "reach into your system and FIX things" || || > | | > | >> | > | > | umbilical, || || > it's || || > | | > hard || || > | | > to || || > | | > | >> sort || || > | | > | >> | > | > stuff || || > | | > | >> | > | > | out. Cleaned up what was necessary to || || > | | > | >> | > | > | clean up || || > (machine || || > | | > will || || > | | > be || || > | | > | >> | > | > replaced, || || > | | > | >> | > | > | soon.) Further scans need to be run and a || || > | | > | >> | > | > | HJT log done right. || || > | | > | >> | > | > | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | Had a problem with Outlook Express after || || > | | > | >> | > | > | reinstall || | of || || > IE. || || > | | > Went || || > | | > | >> to || || > | | > | >> WU || || > | | > | >> | > and || || > | | > | >> | > | > got || || > | | > | >> | > | > | three updates, but then went back and one || || > | | > | >> | > | > | kept || | being || || > | | > reoffered. || || > | | > | >> This || || > | | > | >> | > was || || > | | > | >> | > | > the || || > | | > | >> | > | > | issue: || || > | | > | >> | > | > | || || > | | > | >> | > || || > | | > | >> || || > | | > || || > || http://www.computing.net/answers/windows-95/kb837009-problem/163986.html || || > | | > | >> | > | > | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | More to come if I remember more... || || > | | > | >> | > | > | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | -- || || > | | > | >> | > | > | Gary S. Terhune || || > | | > | >> | > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User || || > | | > | >> | > | > | http://www.grystmill.com || || > | | > | >> | > | > | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in || || > | | > | >> | > | > | message || || > | | > | >> | > | > | news:483a5a3a$0$15179$607ed4bc@cv.net... || || > | | > | >> | > | > | > Thank you everyone! I really appreciate || || > | | > | >> | > | > | > you || || > sticking || || > | with || || > | | > me || || > | | > | >> | > through || || > | | > | >> | > | > this. || || > | | > | >> | > | > | > Someone || || > | | > | >> | > | > | > sent me the 3 DLL files I was missing. I || | installed || || > them || || > | | > and || || > | | > | >> was || || > | | > | >> | > able || || > | | > | >> | > | > to || || > | | > | >> | > | > | > run the || || > | | > | >> | > | > | > repair tool for IE6SP1. But that didn't || || > | | > | >> | > | > | > help. I || || > cleaned || || > | | > up || || > | | > my || || > | | > | >> | > startup || || > | | > | >> | > | > | > items with help || || > | | > | >> | > | > | > from the group. I deleted a lot of || || > | | > | >> | > | > | > unnecessary || || > files. || || > I || || > | | > | >> download || || > | | > | >> | > | > IE6sp1 || || > | | > | >> | > | > | > zip from an || || > | | > | >> | > | > | > e-mail and Gary walked my through the || | overinstall. || || > I || || > | | > follow || || > | | > | >> your || || > | | > | >> | > | > advice || || > | | > | >> | > | > on || || > | | > | >> | > | > | > just about || || > | | > | >> | > | > | > every post. Forgive me for not answering || || > | | > | >> | > | > | > all but || | we || || > | spent || || > | | > | >> about || || > | | > | >> 24 || || > | | > | >> | > | > hours || || > | | > | >> | > | > | > just going || || > | | > | >> | > | > | > through this. This is my third day and we || || > | | > | >> | > | > | > are || || > finally || || > | | > fixed. || || > | | > | >> I || || > | | > | >> | > think || || > | | > | >> | > | > what || || > | | > | >> | > | > | > did it is I || || > | | > | >> | > | > | > removed my firewall.....'Trial of || || > Transgressions'....I || || > | | > think || || > | | > | >> that || || > | | > | >> | > was || || > | | > | >> | > | > the || || > | | > | >> | > | > | > name. and I || || > | | > | >> | > | > | > only use Avast resident protection (virus || || > | | > scanner).....not || || > | | > | >> web || || > | | > | >> | > | > protection || || > | | > | >> | > | > | > or e-mail. || || > | | > | >> | > | > | > Spybot tea timer removed, as Gary said. || || > | | > | >> | > | > | > I ran scandisk. || || > | | > | >> | > | > | > I did so many things it's hard to || || > | | > | >> | > | > | > remember them || || > all. || || > | When || || > | | > I || || > | | > | >> start || || > | | > | >> | > my || || > | | > | >> | > | > | > computer any || || > | | > | >> | > | > | > referral to ports, or joysticks, or the || || > | | > | >> | > | > | > soundcard || || > that || || > | I || || > | | > | >> never || || > | | > | >> had || || > | | > | >> | > are || || > | | > | >> | > | > | > gone. A few || || > | | > | >> | > | > | > little quirks remain such as when I try || || > | | > | >> | > | > | > to send || || > this || || > | | > e-mail, || || > | | > | >> I || || > | | > | >> | > get || || > | | > | >> | > an || || > | | > | >> | > | > | > error message || || > | | > | >> | > | > | > that the outbox can't be opened. So I || || > | | > | >> | > | > | > will bypass || || > the || || > | | > outbox || || > | | > | >> from || || > | | > | >> | > now || || > | | > | >> | > | > on || || > | | > | >> | > | > | > and send || || > | | > | >> | > | > | > messages right away. At least I can get || || > | | > | >> | > | > | > online!!! thank you all. || || -- || Thanks or Good Luck, || There may be humor in this post, and, || Naturally, you will not sue, || Should things get worse after this, || PCR || pcrrcp@netzero.net -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR pcrrcp@netzero.net
Guest MEB Posted June 1, 2008 Posted June 1, 2008 Re: IE Running well so far HAHA, you really don't mean that right,, all your iuhist.xml shows is what WU installed and when,,, of course if your worried that somehow makes you vulnerable,,, then take a pill... then send it. Its WU's history file...period. The only way it would or could be a mess is if YOU manually edited it, its automatically created/added to by WU. And no, it doesn't need an Internet connection to work,, its only connection to the NET [supposedly] is to WU... -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com -- _________ "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message news:uHBPRK7wIHA.5832@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... | MEB wrote: | | Thanks PCR, thought you said you had an older installation for a | | check... | | I have only one, fully updated installation of Win98SE. | | | BTW if you could send me your old iuhist for comparison, it | | would be appreciated. | | I have only one IUHist.xml. It requires an internet connection to work. | Are you sure mine would work on your machine? I'm not sure I want to | part with it! Is it safe to have someone else look inside mine? It's a | big mess, anyhow! | | | I started new testing phases after the December | | 2005 issues., so all iuhist [that I remembered to save] after, have | | not got that in it. I'd like to compare my old ones with yours to see | | what else was removed. Perhaps you may have some other things missing | | which I may not have [due to several re-installations during the | | final support days or before] or overlooked.. | | | | m_brahier at hotmail dot com | | | | -- | | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | | -- | | _________ | | | | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message | | news:enYFst5wIHA.2068@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... | || MEB wrote: | || | Okay, hopefully someone has an older installation that can verify | || | prior WU installation to confirm that aspect. Doesn't PCR run an | || | old installation? | || | || JUST like for you, IUHist.xml shows 823353 came in for me from | || Windows Update. I got it one day before you. | || | || It is not at the Catalog for Win98 in any of the categories (looking | || for 823353 or MS04-018), which finally has begun to work again after | || 3 days... | || http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/catalog/en/default.asp | || | || And it wasn't among my downloads from the Catalog. So, either I | || didn't look quick enough for it or it never was there. HOWEVER... | || | || http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=19527 | || Microsoft Security Bulletin MS04-018 | || Cumulative Security Update for Outlook Express (823353) | || | || ...from our IUHist.xml DOES serve to get to it. Thanks to you & | || Terhune (especially for testing it)-- I took it in, just in case I | || ever need to reinstall it. I took in... | || | || . Microsoft Outlook Express 6 Service Pack 1 | || IE6.0sp1-KB823353-x86-ENU.exe | || Desc: Win32 Cabinet Self-Extractor | || Size: 1,996,544 bytes | || Ver: 6.00.2800.1168 | || | || I'm not sure whether the version refers to the update or the | || Extractor. I DO verify that the files you mentioned are indeed the | || versions I've got. Thanks again to you & Terhune. | || | || | -- | || | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | || | -- | || | _________ | || | | || | "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | || | news:egDoz10wIHA.4848@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... | || || The 1409 versions are from KB837009. The version changes you list | || || match my observations. | || || | || || -- | || || Gary S. Terhune | || || MS-MVP Shell/User | || || http://www.grystmill.com | || || | || || "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | || || news:%237%23eiP0wIHA.5096@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... | || || > Finally had some time to look at IE6.0sp1-KB823353-x86-ENU | || || > | || || > The main files that would be apparently updated are: | || || > | || || > 6.00.2800.1441 - inetcomm.dll - via upgrade | || || > 6.00.2800.1409 - via WU | || || > | || || > 6.00.2800.1437 - msoe.dll - via update | || || > 6.00.2800.1409 - via WU | || || > | || || > 6.00.2800.1450 - wab32.dll - via update | || || > 6.00.2800.1409 - via WU | || || > | || || > Of course that now means that we are basically recommending | || || > non-official updating, though it IS based upon prior updates | || || > provided and installed by WU | || || > as I posted showing the iuhist.xml. | || || > | || || > I checked using the OE About screen, see if this is confirmed [i | || || > haven't installed it yet as this would potentially affect | || || > present tests]. | || || > | || || > We could also use some verification of versions by others. | || || > | || || > -- | || || > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | || || > -- | || || > _________ | || || > | || || > "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | || || > news:eDlZzcJwIHA.3384@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... | || || > | Sounds like the plan... | || || > | | || || > | I'll have to check to see if that was one of those extra | || || > | needed files that I had listed on the web page..if not, it | || || > | will be | || || > | | || || > | -- | || || > | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | || || > | -- | || || > | _________ | || || > | | || || > | "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | || || > | news:erGCAzGwIHA.1772@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... | || || > | | After reading the KB more closely, what KB823353 really says | || || > | | is that it does is get rid of one of minor nuisance | || || > | | introduced by KB837009 -- like that famous wandering "~" | || || > | | file, but also another vulnerability in IE5.5SP1. Other | || || > | | than that, it apparently includes everything in KB837009. | || || > | | IOW, it does replace the "previous" patch entirely. (I | || || > | | looked inside, they look nearly identical.) So what | || || > | | happened, probably, is that reinstalling standard IE6SP1 | || || > | | over whatever she already had installed (including | || || > | | KB823353) caused a mix-up that had WU seeing KB837009 as | || || > | | required, not noting that KB823353 was already present. | || || > | | Reinstalling KB837009 was only necessary in order to stop | || || > | | WU from wanting to install it (and it fails silently). | || || > | | | || || > | | I'm thinking that while it wasn't necessary to reinstall | || || > | | KB837009, except to stop any nagging by WU, it was a good | || || > | | idea to reinstall KB823353. As for PA Bear's encounter, it | || || > | | sound's like that was an XP machine or it had an unofficial | || || > | | patch installed, then reinstalled IE or something similar | || || > | | and ran into the same issue, just with later versions. | || || > | | | || || > | | Anyway, I'm adding KB823353 to my Updates CDs just as soon | || || > | | as another CD burning session is called for, which will be | || || > | | pretty soon. | || || > | | | || || > | | -- | || || > | | Gary S. Terhune | || || > | | MS-MVP Shell/User | || || > | | http://www.grystmill.com | || || > | | | || || > | | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | || || > | | news:%23WJibtEwIHA.4848@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... | || || > | | > Agreed, makes no sense except for the issues involved with | || || > | | > its installation. | || || > | | > | || || > | | > Issues related to its installation > end of support > | || || > | | > remove it from WU. | || || > | | > | || || > | | > This isn't the only file/update previously offered via WU, | || || > | | > now "missing in action". | || || > | | > | || || > | | > -- | || || > | | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | || || > | | > -- | || || > | | > _________ | || || > | | > | || || > | | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | || || > | | > news:%23Jb$dmDwIHA.516@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... | || || > | | > | Makes no sense, part deux... | || || > | | > | | || || > | | > | Result is that KB823353 is not considered a Critical | || || > | | > | Update and thus shouldn't appear at WU. Yet it is listed | || || > | | > | as a replacement for KB837009 which IS a Critical Update | || || > | | > | (and apparently for good reason.) | || || > | | > | | || || > | | > | The SecUp CD precedes these Updates by a good two years. | || | Shouldn't | || || > be | || || > | | > any | || || > | | > | part of the problem. | || || > | | > | | || || > | | > | -- | || || > | | > | Gary S. Terhune | || || > | | > | MS-MVP Shell/User | || || > | | > | http://www.grystmill.com | || || > | | > | | || || > | | > | "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | || || > | | > | news:%23OnszBDwIHA.1980@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... | || || > | | > | > Only thing I can glean from that is that I see why the | || || > | | > | > switch listed in that exchange I linked to didn't | || || > | | > | > work: It's /n:v, not /nv. | || || > | | > | > | || || > | | > | > I dunno, I'm tired of it. There have been too many | || || > | | > | > different versions of IE/OE installed on the machine, | || || > | | > | > starting with AOHell ten years ago and ending with | || || > | | > | > whatever her cable ISP installed. In any case, my test | || || > | | > | > machine is a mess from playing with that Auto-Patcher, | || || > | | > | > and yet it | || | would | || || > seem | || || > | | > that | || || > | | > | > Windows Updates is not offering the some updates that | || || > | | > | > it | || | should | || || > be. | || || > | | > 837009 | || || > | | > | > is the latest one for OE, and even during all the | || || > | | > | > testing I did when putting together the Updates | || || > | | > | > packages, I never saw any of these later versions, | || || > | | > | > even though they're supposed to be offered by WU. | || || > | | > | > | || || > | | > | > -- | || || > | | > | > Gary S. Terhune | || || > | | > | > MS-MVP Shell/User | || || > | | > | > http://www.grystmill.com | || || > | | > | > | || || > | | > | > "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | || || > | | > | > news:uQnf5zCwIHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... | || || > | | > | >> 837009 is listed on this system. The only 82**** in | || || > | | > | >> Add/Remove I presently | || || > | | > | >> have is 823559. Its not shown in IE or iuhist either. | || || > | | > | >> Would | || || > this | || || > be | || || > | | > | >> related | || || > | | > | >> to the SecCD usage perhaps? | || || > | | > | >> | || || > | | > | >> I agree, if that was, in fact, the supposed | || || > | | > | >> update/supercede, then that is | || || > | | > | >> what should be offered. There were installation | || || > | | > | >> issues associated with it, | || || > | | > | >> so MAYBE Microsoft determined it would just | || || > | | > | >> delete/not offer | || | it | || || > or | || || > | | > SecCD | || || > | | > | >> somehow over-rides installation. It did, however, | || || > | | > | >> appear in the old installations [not SecCD updated] | || || > | | > | >> documented in 2006. | || || > | | > | >> | || || > | | > | >> Affected Software: | || || > | | > | >> . Microsoft Windows NT® Workstation 4.0 Service Pack | || || > | | > | >> 6a . Microsoft Windows NT Server 4.0 Service Pack 6a | || || > | | > | >> . Microsoft Windows NT Server 4.0 Terminal Server | || || > | | > | >> Edition | || || > Service | || || > | | > Pack | || || > | | > 6 | || || > | | > | >> . Microsoft Windows 2000 Service Pack 2, Microsoft | || || > | | > | >> Windows 2000 Service Pack | || || > | | > | >> 3, Microsoft Windows 2000 Service Pack 4 | || || > | | > | >> . Microsoft Windows XP and Microsoft Windows XP | || || > | | > | >> Service Pack 1 . Microsoft Windows XP 64-Bit Edition | || || > | | > | >> Service Pack 1 . Microsoft Windows XP 64-Bit Edition | || || > | | > | >> Version 2003 . Microsoft Windows ServerT 2003 | || || > | | > | >> . Microsoft Windows Server 2003 64-Bit Edition | || || > | | > | >> . Microsoft Windows 98, Microsoft Windows 98 Second | || || > | | > | >> Edition (SE), and Microsoft Windows Millennium | || || > | | > | >> Edition (Me) - Review the FAQ section of this | || || > | | > | >> bulletin for details about these operating systems. | || || > | | > | >> | || || > | | > | >> INFORMATION/DATA saved for 823353 shows [02/07 and | || || > | | > | >> 02/16 of 2006]: | || || > | | > | >> | || || > | | > | >>> Answering to PA Bear, now with 887797 and 897715 | || || > | | > | >>> missing, | || || > 823353 | || || > | is | || || > | | > the | || || > | | > | >> only | || || > | | > | >>> reported update by Windows update... | || || > | | > | >>> | || || > | | > | >>> msoe.dll and inetcomm.dll are now 6.00.2800.1478 | || || > | | > | >>> while wab32.dll is | || || > | | > | >>> 6.00.2800.1106. | || || > | | > | >> | || || > | | > | >> Well, msoe.dll and inetcomm.dll have the version | || || > | | > | >> numbers of the files contained in KB887797 *not* | || || > | | > | >> KB823353 while the wab32.dll is the version coming | || || > | | > | >> with plain SP1 (no KB823353 nor KB887797 installed). | || || > | | > | >> You have a "wonderful" mix of versions there on your | || || > | | > | >> machine right now :-/ | || || > | | > | >> | || || > | | > | >> So I stress you to install KB823353 with the /n:v | || || > | | > | >> parameter once again (IE6.0sp1-KB823353-x86-ENU.exe | || || > | | > | >> /n:v). Please try this one in normal mode, *not* safe | || || > | | > | >> mode. Afterwards please compare the versions of the | || || > | | > | >> following files with the ones on your machine - yes, | || || > | | > | >> *all* of them! In the brackets you can find the | || || > | | > | >> version and date of the files wich are contained in | || || > | | > | >> KB823353: | || || > | | > | >> | || || > | | > | >> directdb.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 03.03.2003) | || || > | | > | >> inetcomm.dll (6.0.2800.1441 - 07.06.2004) | || || > | | > | >> inetres.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004) | || || > | | > | >> msident.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004) | || || > | | > | >> msimn.exe (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004) | || || > | | > | >> msoe.dll (6.0.2800.1437 - 26.05.2004) | || || > | | > | >> msoeacct.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004) | || || > | | > | >> msoeres.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004) | || || > | | > | >> msoert2.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 03.03.2003) | || || > | | > | >> oeimport.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004) | || || > | | > | >> oemig50.exe (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004) | || || > | | > | >> oemiglib.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004) | || || > | | > | >> wab32.dll (6.0.2800.1450 - 24.06.2004) | || || > | | > | >> wab.exe (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004) | || || > | | > | >> wabfind.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004) | || || > | | > | >> wabimp.dll (6.0.2800.1123 - 07.06.2004) | || || > | | > | >> wabmig.exe (6.0.2800.1123 - 03.03.2003) | || || > | | > | >> | || || > | | > | >> Could you please afterwards open Internet Explorer, | || || > | | > | >> have look in "? -> Info" and please post *all* what's | || || > | | > | >> listet there behind and under the "Update Version" | || || > | | > | >> section? Yes *all* these "Q......"'s. | || || > | | > | >> | || || > | | > | >> AND: | || || > | | > | >> | || || > | | > | >> Date: Fri, Dec 16 2005 1:39 pm | || || > | | > | >> From: "PA Bear" | || || > | | > | >> | || || > | | > | >> Thanks, Freudi. | || || > | | > | >> | || || > | | > | >> Dimitri, here's another description of how to do what | || | Freudi's | || || > | asked | || || > | | > you | || || > | | > | >> to | || || > | | > | >> try: | || || > | | > | >> | || || > | | > | >> <paste> | || || > | | > | >> Close OE. Clear History, delete Cookies and delete | || || > | | > | >> Temporary Internet Files | || || > | | > | >> via IE: Tools > Options > General, then... | || || > | | > | >> | || || > | | > | >> 1. Download the Cumulative Security Update for | || || > | | > | >> Outlook | || | Express | || || > 6 | || || > | | > Service | || || > | | > | >> Pack 1 (KB823353; all OSS) from the following link, | || || > | | > | >> saving it to your Desktop: | || || > | | > | >> | || || > | | > | >> | || || > | | > | || || > | | || || > | || | | || | | | http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=AD6A96BC-DAF0-4EAB-89B8-BD702B3E3E5D&displaylang=en | || || > | | > | >> | || || > | | > | >> (or http://snipurl.com/8x9i) | || || > | | > | >> | || || > | | > | >> [ Optional: 2. Restart the computer in Safe Mode. | || || > | | > | >> (During the reboot, keep | || || > | | > | >> pressing the F8 key until the Windows Startup menu | || || > | | > | >> appears > Choose Safe Mode > Enter.) ] | || || > | | > | >> | || || > | | > | >> 3. Rename the downloaded file to KB823353.EXE and | || || > | | > | >> copy it to C:\ (the root | || || > | | > | >> directory of drive C; assumes drive C is the boot | || || > | | > | >> drive) | || || > | | > | >> | || || > | | > | >> 4. Start > Run > (type in) C:\KB823353.EXE /N:V (Note | || || > | | > | >> the space) press ENTER | || || > | | > | >> | || || > | | > | >> 5. Close the command window. | || || > | | > | >> | || || > | | > | >> 6. Reboot [into Windows] and then check in at Windows | || || > | | > | >> Update to see KB823353 | || || > | | > | >> is still offered. | || || > | | > | >> </paste> | || || > | | > | >> | || || > | | > | >> Don't install any other OE updates, just answer #6 | || || > | | > | >> above and either state the current versions of | || || > | | > | >> MSOE.DLL and INETCOMM.DLL or post your reply using | || || > | | > | >> OE instead of the web interface. | || || > | | > | >> ~PA Bear | || || > | | > | >> | || || > | | > | >> Ottmar Freudenberger wrote: | || || > | | > | >> <snip> | || || > | | > | >>> Okay, so you've skipped the steps I've mentioned | || || > | | > | >>> after having KB823353 installed? ;-) | || || > | | > | >>> | || || > | | > | >>> Uninstall them (KB887797 and KB897715) once again | || || > | | > | >>> please. | || || > | | > | >>> | || || > | | > | >>> After you've unistalled them, try to install | || || > | | > | >>> KB823353 with the parameter "/n:v". | || || > | | > | >>> Assuming you've saved the | || || > | | > | >>> "IE6.0sp1-KB823353-x86-ENU.exe" | || || > file | || || > in | || || > | | > | >>> "C:\Downloads", you would have to enter the | || || > | | > | >>> following in | || | "Run" | || || > in | || || > | | > the | || || > | | > | >>> Start menu: | || || > | | > | >>> | || || > | | > | >>> C:\Downloads\IE6.0sp1-KB823353-x86-ENU.exe /n:v | || || > | | > | >>> | || || > | | > | >>> Note, there's a blank after the EXE and no blank in | || || > | | > | >>> the parameter. Let me know, if the installation of | || || > | | > | >>> KB823353 has been successful this time | || || > | | > | >> <snip> | || || > | | > | >> | || || > | | > | >> | || || > | | > | >> Date: Fri, Dec 16 2005 6:19 pm | || || > | | > | >> From: "PA Bear" | || || > | | > | >> | || || > | | > | >> ActiveX controls may not load as expected in Internet | || | Explorer | || || > due | || || > | to | || || > | | > | >> defense in depth changes introduced in cumulative | || || > | | > | >> security update 896688 (MS05-052): | || || > http://support.microsoft.com/Default.aspx?kbid=909889 | || || > | | > | >> | || || > | | > | >> A Web page that contains a custom ActiveX control may | || || > | | > | >> not load as expected | || || > | | > | >> in Internet Explorer due to defense in depth changes | || || > | | > | >> introduced in cumulative security update 896688 | || || > | | > | >> (MS05-052): | || || > | | > | >> http://support.microsoft.com/Default.aspx?kbid=909738 | || || > | | > | >> | || || > | | > | >> => The fix detailed in 909889 involving the Registry | || || > | | > | >> and OLE32.DLL is available at | || || > | | > | >> | || || > | | > | >> - http://patch-info.de/IE/Downloads/OLEfix.zip or | || || > | | > | >> | || || > | | > | >> - http://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/kb896688_fix.zip | || || > | | > | >> (a small | || | VB | || || > app | || || > | | > that | || || > | | > | >> checks the 4 values and offers a repair option if any | || || > | | > | >> of them are incorrect). | || || > | | > | >> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) | || || > | | > | >> MS MVP-Windows (IE/OE, Shell/User, Security), | || || > | | > | >> Aumha.org VSOP, DTS-L.org | || || > | | > | >> | || || > | | > | >>> Ralf wrote: | || || > | | > | >>> > I'd like to let the group know that the odd | || || > | | > | >>> > behavior issue | || || > which | || || > | | > has | || || > | | > | >> been | || || > | | > | >>> > reported from various sources after installing the | || || > | | > | >>> > December Microsoft Updates has been solved. I've | || || > | | > | >>> > posted the details on my blog at | || || > | | > | >>> > http://www.rottmann.net . | || || > | | > | >>> > | || || > | | > | >> | || || > | | > | >> | || || > | | > | >> -- | || || > | | > | >> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | || || > | | > | >> -- | || || > | | > | >> _________ | || || > | | > | >> | || || > | | > | >> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | || || > | | > | >> news:%2361bRhCwIHA.1768@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... | || || > | | > | >> | Oh yeah... That /nv switch didn't work when I tried | || || > | | > | >> | it. | || | What | || || > I | || || > | | > don't | || || > | | > | >> get | || || > | | > | >> is | || || > | | > | >> | where she got 823353, since I've yet to see it | || || > | | > | >> | offered by Windows Updates. Thing is, KB823353 = | || || > | | > | >> | MS04-18, whereas KB837009 = MS04-13. | || | The | || || > | notes | || || > | | > in | || || > | | > | >> | MS04-18 say that it replaces MS04-13. | || || > | | > | >> | | || || > | | > | >> | IOW, it would seem a failure of WU to not offer | || || > | | > | >> | KB823353 to | || || > my | || || > | | > system. | || || > | | > | >> I'd | || || > | | > | >> | be interested to know from folks: In Add/Remove | || || > | | > | >> | Programs, | || | do | || || > you | || || > | | > have | || || > | | > | >> either | || || > | | > | >> | of these Updates listed (or both)? | || || > | | > | >> | | || || > | | > | >> | -- | || || > | | > | >> | Gary S. Terhune | || || > | | > | >> | MS-MVP Shell/User | || || > | | > | >> | http://www.grystmill.com | || || > | | > | >> | | || || > | | > | >> | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | || || > | | > | >> | news:u6qeXOCwIHA.704@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... | || || > | | > | >> | > Frankly I'm not sure. When done with everything | || || > | | > | >> | > else [file checks, anti-v/SpyWare, etc.] run | || || > | | > | >> | > C:\WINDOWS\QFECheck.exe and see | || || > if | || || > | | > anything | || || > | | > | >> is | || || > | | > | >> | > messed up. | || || > | | > | >> | > Might cross-check the Windows Update.log and | || || > | | > | >> | > iuhist.xml | || | if | || || > you | || || > | | > used | || || > | | > | >> | > windowsupdate during the process. | || || > | | > | >> | > | || || > | | > | >> | > -- | || || > | | > | >> | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | || || > | | > | >> | > -- | || || > | | > | >> | > _________ | || || > | | > | >> | > | || || > | | > | >> | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | || || > | | > | >> | > news:uxvuLTBwIHA.4952@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... | || || > | | > | >> | > | Uninstalled 823353, installed 837009, | || || > | | > | >> | > | reinstalled | || | 82353. | || || > But | || || > | | > I'm | || || > | | > | >> not | || || > | | > | >> | > clear | || || > | | > | >> | > | that that was the thing to do. We were getting | || || > | | > | >> | > | blitzy, | || | so | || || > I'm | || || > | | > not | || || > | | > | >> sure. | || || > | | > | >> | > | | || || > | | > | >> | > | -- | || || > | | > | >> | > | Gary S. Terhune | || || > | | > | >> | > | MS-MVP Shell/User | || || > | | > | >> | > | http://www.grystmill.com | || || > | | > | >> | > | | || || > | | > | >> | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in | || || > | | > | >> | > | message | || || > | | > | >> | > | news:OE$y%23F8vIHA.2360@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... | || || > | | > | >> | > | > Did you fix it with /N:V fix, or the reg | || || > | | > | >> | > | > entry, or | || | are | || || > | there | || || > | | > | >> still | || || > | | > | >> | > issues | || || > | | > | >> | > | > with it? Just curious.. | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | || || > | | > | >> | > | > -- | || || > | | > | >> | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | || || > | | > | >> | > | > -- | || || > | | > | >> | > | > _________ | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | || || > | | > | >> | > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | || || > | | > | >> | > | > news:uPntGK7vIHA.3760@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | The mystery still remains as to where MSXML | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | 4.0 SP1 | || || > came | || || > | | > from, | || || > | | > | >> and | || || > | | > | >> | > what | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | disappeared those three other files, but | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | what | || | caused | || || > some | || || > | | > grief | || || > | | > | >> was | || || > | | > | >> | > that | || || > | | > | >> | > | > the | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | machine was out of disk space. So we made | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | some, | || | were | || || > able | || || > | | > to | || || > | | > | >> get | || || > | | > | >> rid | || || > | | > | >> | > of | || || > | | > | >> | > | > the | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | firewall and a couple of other things, | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | update some | || || > apps, | || || > | | > | >> reinstall | || || > | | > | >> | > IE, | || || > | | > | >> | > | > etc. | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | There is another firewall in the mix, on | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | the Belkin | || || > | router, | || || > | | > and | || || > | | > | >> it | || || > | | > | >> | > seems | || || > | | > | >> | > | > to | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | be blocking Avast!, too. So we discovered | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | that | || || > leaving | || || > | Web | || || > | | > | >> Shield | || || > | | > | >> | > out | || || > | | > | >> | > | > fixed | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | the problem with Avast!, just before their | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | tech | || || > response, | || || > | | > | >> though | || || > | | > | >> it | || || > | | > | >> | > | > doesn't | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | explain how the no-browser-allowed problem | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | was | || || > occurring | || || > | | > when | || || > | | > | >> Avast! | || || > | | > | >> | > was | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | completely uninstalled. Whatever, it's | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | worked all day, today. | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | I suspect further malware, but the system | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | is 98 | || || > Original | || || > | | > and | || || > | | > is | || || > | | > | >> the | || || > | | > | >> | > | > original | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | install. Had AOL for various years, then | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | EarthLink, | || || > then | || || > | | > this | || || > | | > | >> cable | || || > | | > | >> | > | > company, | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | all with their installations of branded | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | stuff, and | || || > the | || || > | | > cable | || || > | | > | >> | > company's | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | "reach into your system and FIX things" | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | umbilical, | || || > it's | || || > | | > hard | || || > | | > to | || || > | | > | >> sort | || || > | | > | >> | > | > stuff | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | out. Cleaned up what was necessary to | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | clean up | || || > (machine | || || > | | > will | || || > | | > be | || || > | | > | >> | > | > replaced, | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | soon.) Further scans need to be run and a | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | HJT log done right. | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | Had a problem with Outlook Express after | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | reinstall | || | of | || || > IE. | || || > | | > Went | || || > | | > | >> to | || || > | | > | >> WU | || || > | | > | >> | > and | || || > | | > | >> | > | > got | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | three updates, but then went back and one | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | kept | || | being | || || > | | > reoffered. | || || > | | > | >> This | || || > | | > | >> | > was | || || > | | > | >> | > | > the | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | issue: | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | | || || > | | > | >> | > | || || > | | > | >> | || || > | | > | || || > | || | http://www.computing.net/answers/windows-95/kb837009-problem/163986.html | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | More to come if I remember more... | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | -- | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | Gary S. Terhune | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | http://www.grystmill.com | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | message | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | news:483a5a3a$0$15179$607ed4bc@cv.net... | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | > Thank you everyone! I really appreciate | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | > you | || || > sticking | || || > | with | || || > | | > me | || || > | | > | >> | > through | || || > | | > | >> | > | > this. | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | > Someone | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | > sent me the 3 DLL files I was missing. I | || | installed | || || > them | || || > | | > and | || || > | | > | >> was | || || > | | > | >> | > able | || || > | | > | >> | > | > to | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | > run the | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | > repair tool for IE6SP1. But that didn't | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | > help. I | || || > cleaned | || || > | | > up | || || > | | > my | || || > | | > | >> | > startup | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | > items with help | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | > from the group. I deleted a lot of | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | > unnecessary | || || > files. | || || > I | || || > | | > | >> download | || || > | | > | >> | > | > IE6sp1 | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | > zip from an | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | > e-mail and Gary walked my through the | || | overinstall. | || || > I | || || > | | > follow | || || > | | > | >> your | || || > | | > | >> | > | > advice | || || > | | > | >> | > | > on | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | > just about | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | > every post. Forgive me for not answering | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | > all but | || | we | || || > | spent | || || > | | > | >> about | || || > | | > | >> 24 | || || > | | > | >> | > | > hours | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | > just going | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | > through this. This is my third day and we | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | > are | || || > finally | || || > | | > fixed. | || || > | | > | >> I | || || > | | > | >> | > think | || || > | | > | >> | > | > what | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | > did it is I | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | > removed my firewall.....'Trial of | || || > Transgressions'....I | || || > | | > think | || || > | | > | >> that | || || > | | > | >> | > was | || || > | | > | >> | > | > the | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | > name. and I | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | > only use Avast resident protection (virus | || || > | | > scanner).....not | || || > | | > | >> web | || || > | | > | >> | > | > protection | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | > or e-mail. | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | > Spybot tea timer removed, as Gary said. | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | > I ran scandisk. | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | > I did so many things it's hard to | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | > remember them | || || > all. | || || > | When | || || > | | > I | || || > | | > | >> start | || || > | | > | >> | > my | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | > computer any | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | > referral to ports, or joysticks, or the | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | > soundcard | || || > that | || || > | I | || || > | | > | >> never | || || > | | > | >> had | || || > | | > | >> | > are | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | > gone. A few | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | > little quirks remain such as when I try | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | > to send | || || > this | || || > | | > e-mail, | || || > | | > | >> I | || || > | | > | >> | > get | || || > | | > | >> | > an | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | > error message | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | > that the outbox can't be opened. So I | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | > will bypass | || || > the | || || > | | > outbox | || || > | | > | >> from | || || > | | > | >> | > now | || || > | | > | >> | > | > on | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | > and send | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | > messages right away. At least I can get | || || > | | > | >> | > | > | > online!!! thank you all. | || | || -- | || Thanks or Good Luck, | || There may be humor in this post, and, | || Naturally, you will not sue, | || Should things get worse after this, | || PCR | || pcrrcp@netzero.net | | -- | Thanks or Good Luck, | There may be humor in this post, and, | Naturally, you will not sue, | Should things get worse after this, | PCR | pcrrcp@netzero.net | |
Guest Angel Posted June 1, 2008 Posted June 1, 2008 Re: IE Running well so far Will SpywareBlaster prevent me from going to places that I know are safe? Does it prevent you from going to the places that the SpywareBlaster think that is unsafe to go? Can you choose the places you need to go? There are some surveys that I do that need, I think, the ActiveX. That was one of the reasons that I did not install it before this. Please explain the pros and cons of SpywareBlaster. Angel "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message news:eLgKTyzwIHA.524@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... : Google is your friend. But here's the manufacturer's links: : Info: http://www.javacoolsoftware.com/spywareblaster.html : Download: http://www.javacoolsoftware.com/sbdownload.html : : -- : Gary S. Terhune : MS-MVP Shell/User : http://www.grystmill.com : : "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message : news:eLU4ZrzwIHA.5832@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... : > Gary, : > : > It is the one you sent on the CD, "Protection Applications". When I did : > the : > Explorer for the folder, "Spyblaster", it says "Spyblaster setup 351.exe" : > Under date 9/17/06. How do I get the 4.0 version? : > : > Angel : > : > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message : > news:OV15eVrwIHA.2068@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... : > : Might want to make sure it's the latest version, 4.0, then install it. : > It's : > : pretty straight-forward. Requires a restart. Then run the app, and in : > the : > : Welcome dialog, click Next, choose Manual Updating, click Next, then : > click : > : Finish. : > : : > : Now, click Updates on the left column, then the Check for Updates : > button. : > : When the updating finishes, click on Protection Status at left and then : > at : > : the bottom, under Quick Tasks, Enable All Protection. : > : : > : Do that every week or two. : > : : > : -- : > : Gary S. Terhune : > : MS-MVP Shell/User : > : http://www.grystmill.com : > : : > : : > : "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message : > : news:%2310SGjqwIHA.1436@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... : > : > Yes Gary, : > : > I found it, but I never installed it. I have to figure out the : > : > instructions. I read the text but have to read it again. : > : > Angel : > : > : > : > "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message : > : > news:eg%23zpGqwIHA.2292@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... : > : > : No Gary, I do not have SypwareBlaster installed. I don't even think : > I : > : > have : > : > : it. : > : > : : > : > : Angel : > : > : : > : > : "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message : > : > : news:Od9njRpwIHA.1436@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... : > : > : : You're fine, except you left out one very important app -- : > : > SypwareBlaster. : > : > : : You DO have that installed, don't you? And you keep it up to date? : > : > : : : > : > : : -- : > : > : : Gary S. Terhune : > : > : : MS-MVP Shell/User : > : > : : http://www.grystmill.com : > : > : : : > : > : : "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message : > : > : : news:%23Fraq3owIHA.3384@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... : > : > : : > Yeah Gary, she sure could use the exercise. Send them anytime. : > We : > : > are : > : > : : > beginning to call her "Fat Cat" instead of "Streaker". George : > says : > : > she : > : > : is : > : > : : > a : > : > : : > Bowling Ball with legs! She was fat when I got her. Right now, : > she : > : > is : > : > : : > sleeping on my old Contour chair. The chair does not adjust very : > : > well : > : > : : > anymore, most of the time it only has one position. It needs a : > new : > : > one. : > : > : I : > : > : : > bought it long before I retired 16 years ago. : > : > : : > : > : > : : > I uninstalled the AdAware last night. So far, no problems : > because : > I : > : > : : > uninstalled it. I still have Avast! and Spybot 1.4. I have not : > : > updated : > : > : the : > : > : : > Spybot lately. I just don't know which updates to use. : > : > : : > : > : > : : > Angel : > : > : : > : > : > : : > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message : > : > : : > news:%23sy$sobwIHA.5520@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... : > : > : : > : I can send you a poodle or two to chase teh cat. Keep it busy. : > : > : : > : : > : > : : > : -- : > : > : : > : Gary S. Terhune : > : > : : > : MS-MVP Shell/User : > : > : : > : http://www.grystmill.com : > : > : : > : : > : > : : > : "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message : > : > : : > : news:uXJrWPZwIHA.524@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... : > : > : : > : > Yes, I already knew that it will take a while for the pain : > to : > : > : subside. : > : > : : > : > Even : > : > : : > : > the pain pills don't work that well. Gary, I am prepared : > for : > a : > : > long : > : > : : > hall, : > : > : : > : > but you know I do not give up or in easily. You are not : > : > pessimistic : > : > : : > only : > : > : : > : > truthful. This is no picnic, if you know what I mean. : > : > : : > : > : > : > : : > : > My cat is on the footstool I am trying to use. She takes up : > most : > : > of : > : > : : > the : > : > : : > : > footstool. Since I got home, she does not let me out of her : > : > sight. : > : > I : > : > : : > : > finally : > : > : : > : > got her to move off the stool. How? I picked her up and put : > her : > : > off. : > : > : : > She : > : > : : > : > did : > : > : : > : > not accept that. I had to do it again. She is stubborn and : > don't : > : > : give : > : > : : > up : > : > : : > : > easily neither. : > : > : : > : > : > : > : : > : > Angel : > : > : : > : > : > : > : : > : > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message : > : > : : > : > news:eeK3b$RwIHA.1504@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... : > : > : : > : > : Sounds like you need someone who can follow instructions : > and : > : > has : > : > a : > : > : : > good : > : > : : > : > back : > : > : : > : > : to get in there and help you rearrange things to your : > comfort. : > : > : After : > : > : : > : > all, : > : > : : > : > : these pains aren't going to go away real soon (sorry to be : > : > : : > pessimistic, : > : > : : > : > but : > : > : : > : > : I'd rather you got comfy ASAP.) : > : > : : > : > : : > : > : : > : > : As for standing on one's head while standing in one's : > head... : > : > I : > : > : used : > : > : : > to : > : > : : > : > do : > : > : : > : > : that on a regular basis, <bg>. : > : > : : > : > : : > : > : : > : > : -- : > : > : : > : > : Gary S. Terhune : > : > : : > : > : MS-MVP Shell/User : > : > : : > : > : http://www.grystmill.com : > : > : : > : > : : > : > : : > : > : "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message : > : > : : > : > : news:ucwOR8RwIHA.2208@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... : > : > : : > : > : > Gary, how would that be possible! "Standing in my head"? : > I : > : > never : > : > : : > would : > : > : : > : > try : > : > : : > : > : > that! I don't even think I could stand ON my head not : > alone : > : > IN : > : > : my : > : > : : > : > head!! : > : > : : > : > : > Have you tried it? HaHaHa!! : > : > : : > : > : > : > : > : : > : > : > I do use a foot stool, when I can in front of the : > computer. : > : > My : > : > : cat : > : > : : > and : > : > : : > : > I : > : > : : > : > : > argue over it. She decided to take it over. I also use : > the : > : > arm : > : > : of : > : > : : > the : > : > : : > : > : > office : > : > : : > : > : > chair for my arm, it relieves the shoulder pain some. : > : > : : > : > : > : > : > : : > : > : > Angel : > : > : : > : > : > : > : > : : > : > : > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message : > : > : : > : > : > news:e0vC6MRwIHA.524@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... : > : > : : > : > : > : Knowing Angel the way I do, I think she should try : > : > standing : > : > in : > : > : : > her : > : > : : > : > head, : > : > : : > : > : > : <eg>. : > : > : : > : > : > : : > : > : : > : > : > : -- : > : > : : > : > : > : Gary S. Terhune : > : > : : > : > : > : MS-MVP Shell/User : > : > : : > : > : > : http://www.grystmill.com : > : > : : > : > : > : : > : > : : > : > : > : "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message : > : > : : > : > : > : news:483dd8cc$0$11631$607ed4bc@cv.net... : > : > : : > : > : > : > Angel, If you just put a ottoman or stool with : > pillow : > or : > : > : towel : > : > : : > in : > : > : : > : > : > front : > : > : : > : > : > of : > : > : : > : > : > : > you at the : > : > : : > : > : > : > computer, it can work just as well as above the : > heart. : > : > Of : > : > : : > course, : > : > : : > : > : > laying : > : > : : > : > : > : > down with : > : > : : > : > : > : > feet elevated is optimal but no one really expects : > you : > : > to : > : > do : > : > : : > that. : > : > : : > : > : > Sorry : > : > : : > : > : > : > for your : > : > : : > : > : > : > problems. Ginny R.N. : > : > : : > : > : > : > "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message : > : > : : > : > : > : > news:%23la3KVQwIHA.1980@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... : > : > : : > : > : > : >> Hi Gary, : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > : : > : > : > : >> Doing pretty good. Don't stay on the computer very : > long : > : > at : > : > : a : > : > : : > : > time. : > : > : : > : > : > Still : > : > : : > : > : > : >> trouble with the shoulder not cooperating. The : > ankle : > : > swells : > : > : : > up : > : > : : > : > quite : > : > : : > : > : > a : > : > : : > : > : > : >> bit. : > : > : : > : > : > : >> Supposed to keep the leg elevated above the heart : > to : > : > keep : > : > : the : > : > : : > : > : > swelling : > : > : : > : > : > : >> down, : > : > : : > : > : > : >> yeah right! Should I stand on my head? : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > : : > : > : > : >> When you go to yahoo! mail, you go to Options and : > : > follow : > : > : the : > : > : : > : > : > directions : > : > : : > : > : > : >> under Preferences and you get it in text and when : > you : > : > get : > : > : the : > : > : : > : > mail, : > : > : : > : > : > you : > : > : : > : > : > : >> can : > : > : : > : > : > : >> go to the bottom of the page and hit HTML or at the : > top : > : > of : > : > : : > the : > : > : : > : > email : > : > : : > : > : > and : > : > : : > : > : > : >> hit : > : > : : > : > : > : >> the show images. EASY! : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > : : > : > : > : >> Angel : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > : : > : > : > : >> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message : > : > : : > : > : > : >> news:%23gbu8CHwIHA.4376@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : Hi, Angel! How ya doin'? I didn't know that about : > : > Yahoo! : > : > : : > Mail. : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : -- : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : Gary S. Terhune : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : MS-MVP Shell/User : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : http://www.grystmill.com : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : news:%23IMYJiEwIHA.5096@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > Hi all, : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > You can also use that method in the yahoo web : > mail. : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > Angel : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > news:OThQZYDwIHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : If you follow proper security habits, : > including : > : > : setting : > : > : : > : > email : > : > : : > : > : > apps : > : > : : > : > : > : >> to : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > only : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : read messages in Plain Text, you never have : > to : > : > worry : > : > : : > about : > : > : : > : > any : > : > : : > : > : > : >> viruses : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : getting in. Doesn't matter what client you : > use. : > : > If : > : > : you : > : > : : > get : > : > : : > : > a : > : > : : > : > : > POS : > : > : : > : > : > : >> HTML : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > email : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : that can't be read in PT, and you trust the : > : > source, : > : > : : > then : > : > : : > : > you : > : > : : > : > : > can : > : > : : > : > : > : >> change : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > to : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : view in HTML (in OE, anyway.) : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : -- : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : Gary S. Terhune : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : MS-MVP Shell/User : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : http://www.grystmill.com : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : <letterman@invalid.com> wrote in message : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : : > : > news:2ooo34t082va22nc9rv0np3cr5sf9ckjhm@4ax.com... : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > I should have mentioned that Outlook : > Express : > is : > : > : very : > : > : : > poor : > : > : : > : > : > : >> software : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > that will allow viruses to infect your : > : > computer. : > : > I : > : > : : > wont : > : > : : > : > even : > : > : : > : > : > : >> allow : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > that POS on my computer. I deleted the : > entire : > : > : : > directory : > : > : : > : > many : > : > : : > : > : > : >> years : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > ago. I'd highly recommend finding another : > : > email : > : > : : > software : > : > : : > : > as : > : > : : > : > : > well : > : > : : > : > : > : >> as : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > another usenet software. (some do both, : > such : > as : > : > the : > : > : : > newer : > : > : : > : > : > : >> versions : > : > : : > : > : > : >> of : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > Agent). : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > : : > : > : > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : : > : > : : > : > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : > : > : : > : > : : > : > : : > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : > : : > : : > : > : : > : > : > : : > : > : > : : : > : > : : > : > : : > : > : > : > : > : : > : > :
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted June 1, 2008 Posted June 1, 2008 Re: IE Running well so far "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message news:%23lef40$wIHA.3968@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > Will SpywareBlaster prevent me from going to places that I know are safe? Shouldn't. All it does is put nasty (and I mean NASTY, DANGEROUS) sites into the Restricted Zone and block certain ActiveX controls (also *known* to be nasty, not just *suspected* to be nasty or inconvenient.) It does not use a HOSTS file, which actually prevents access to sites, it just puts them into a strait-jacket. > Does it prevent you from going to the places that the SpywareBlaster think > that is unsafe to go? Can you choose the places you need to go? It doesn't prevent you from going anywhere. It just won't let nasty stuff from any sites run on your system. If you want to see what that stuff is, compare the Internet Zone and the Restricted Zone settings in Internet Options. And read about the ActiveX stuff that is listed when you click on Internet Explorer under Protection Status in the left column. I don't mean about ActiveX in general, I mean look up the specifically named items in that list. > There are some surveys that I do that need, I think, the ActiveX. That was > one of the reasons that I did not install it before this. Please explain > the > pros and cons of SpywareBlaster. I don't understand what you mean in that first sentence, but as I said, the ActiveX stuff it protects against are NASTY! Period! If you go to a site and the functions you want to work don't work because if SpywareBlaster, then you really should reconsider why you need to go to that site. Because it has intentionally malicious content. SpywareBlaster is not a dumb, block-everything that's mildly suspicious, application. The things that are blocked are, without any doubt, nasties. Those are the pros of SpywareBlaster. I know of no cons. If you have any literature that claims SpywareBlaster has any cons, I'd be interested in reading it. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com > > Angel > > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > news:eLgKTyzwIHA.524@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > : Google is your friend. But here's the manufacturer's links: > : Info: http://www.javacoolsoftware.com/spywareblaster.html > : Download: http://www.javacoolsoftware.com/sbdownload.html > : > : -- > : Gary S. Terhune > : MS-MVP Shell/User > : http://www.grystmill.com > : > : "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message > : news:eLU4ZrzwIHA.5832@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > : > Gary, > : > > : > It is the one you sent on the CD, "Protection Applications". When I > did > : > the > : > Explorer for the folder, "Spyblaster", it says "Spyblaster setup > 351.exe" > : > Under date 9/17/06. How do I get the 4.0 version? > : > > : > Angel > : > > : > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > : > news:OV15eVrwIHA.2068@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > : > : Might want to make sure it's the latest version, 4.0, then install > it. > : > It's > : > : pretty straight-forward. Requires a restart. Then run the app, and > in > : > the > : > : Welcome dialog, click Next, choose Manual Updating, click Next, then > : > click > : > : Finish. > : > : > : > : Now, click Updates on the left column, then the Check for Updates > : > button. > : > : When the updating finishes, click on Protection Status at left and > then > : > at > : > : the bottom, under Quick Tasks, Enable All Protection. > : > : > : > : Do that every week or two. > : > : > : > : -- > : > : Gary S. Terhune > : > : MS-MVP Shell/User > : > : http://www.grystmill.com > : > : > : > : > : > : "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message > : > : news:%2310SGjqwIHA.1436@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > : > : > Yes Gary, > : > : > I found it, but I never installed it. I have to figure out the > : > : > instructions. I read the text but have to read it again. > : > : > Angel > : > : > > : > : > "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message > : > : > news:eg%23zpGqwIHA.2292@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > : > : > : No Gary, I do not have SypwareBlaster installed. I don't even > think > : > I > : > : > have > : > : > : it. > : > : > : > : > : > : Angel > : > : > : > : > : > : "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > : > : > : news:Od9njRpwIHA.1436@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > : > : > : : You're fine, except you left out one very important app -- > : > : > SypwareBlaster. > : > : > : : You DO have that installed, don't you? And you keep it up to > date? > : > : > : : > : > : > : : -- > : > : > : : Gary S. Terhune > : > : > : : MS-MVP Shell/User > : > : > : : http://www.grystmill.com > : > : > : : > : > : > : : "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message > : > : > : : news:%23Fraq3owIHA.3384@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > : > : > : : > Yeah Gary, she sure could use the exercise. Send them > anytime. > : > We > : > : > are > : > : > : : > beginning to call her "Fat Cat" instead of "Streaker". > George > : > says > : > : > she > : > : > : is > : > : > : : > a > : > : > : : > Bowling Ball with legs! She was fat when I got her. Right > now, > : > she > : > : > is > : > : > : : > sleeping on my old Contour chair. The chair does not adjust > very > : > : > well > : > : > : : > anymore, most of the time it only has one position. It needs > a > : > new > : > : > one. > : > : > : I > : > : > : : > bought it long before I retired 16 years ago. > : > : > : : > > : > : > : : > I uninstalled the AdAware last night. So far, no problems > : > because > : > I > : > : > : : > uninstalled it. I still have Avast! and Spybot 1.4. I have > not > : > : > updated > : > : > : the > : > : > : : > Spybot lately. I just don't know which updates to use. > : > : > : : > > : > : > : : > Angel > : > : > : : > > : > : > : : > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > : > : > : : > news:%23sy$sobwIHA.5520@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > : > : > : : > : I can send you a poodle or two to chase teh cat. Keep it > busy. > : > : > : : > : > : > : > : : > : -- > : > : > : : > : Gary S. Terhune > : > : > : : > : MS-MVP Shell/User > : > : > : : > : http://www.grystmill.com > : > : > : : > : > : > : > : : > : "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message > : > : > : : > : news:uXJrWPZwIHA.524@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > : > : > : : > : > Yes, I already knew that it will take a while for the > pain > : > to > : > : > : subside. > : > : > : : > : > Even > : > : > : : > : > the pain pills don't work that well. Gary, I am > prepared > : > for > : > a > : > : > long > : > : > : : > hall, > : > : > : : > : > but you know I do not give up or in easily. You are not > : > : > pessimistic > : > : > : : > only > : > : > : : > : > truthful. This is no picnic, if you know what I mean. > : > : > : : > : > > : > : > : : > : > My cat is on the footstool I am trying to use. She takes > up > : > most > : > : > of > : > : > : : > the > : > : > : : > : > footstool. Since I got home, she does not let me out of > her > : > : > sight. > : > : > I > : > : > : : > : > finally > : > : > : : > : > got her to move off the stool. How? I picked her up and > put > : > her > : > : > off. > : > : > : : > She > : > : > : : > : > did > : > : > : : > : > not accept that. I had to do it again. She is stubborn > and > : > don't > : > : > : give > : > : > : : > up > : > : > : : > : > easily neither. > : > : > : : > : > > : > : > : : > : > Angel > : > : > : : > : > > : > : > : : > : > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > : > : > : : > : > news:eeK3b$RwIHA.1504@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > : > : > : : > : > : Sounds like you need someone who can follow > instructions > : > and > : > : > has > : > : > a > : > : > : : > good > : > : > : : > : > back > : > : > : : > : > : to get in there and help you rearrange things to your > : > comfort. > : > : > : After > : > : > : : > : > all, > : > : > : : > : > : these pains aren't going to go away real soon (sorry > to > be > : > : > : : > pessimistic, > : > : > : : > : > but > : > : > : : > : > : I'd rather you got comfy ASAP.) > : > : > : : > : > : > : > : > : : > : > : As for standing on one's head while standing in one's > : > head... > : > : > I > : > : > : used > : > : > : : > to > : > : > : : > : > do > : > : > : : > : > : that on a regular basis, <bg>. > : > : > : : > : > : > : > : > : : > : > : -- > : > : > : : > : > : Gary S. Terhune > : > : > : : > : > : MS-MVP Shell/User > : > : > : : > : > : http://www.grystmill.com > : > : > : : > : > : > : > : > : : > : > : "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message > : > : > : : > : > : news:ucwOR8RwIHA.2208@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > : > : > : : > : > : > Gary, how would that be possible! "Standing in my > head"? > : > I > : > : > never > : > : > : : > would > : > : > : : > : > try > : > : > : : > : > : > that! I don't even think I could stand ON my head > not > : > alone > : > : > IN > : > : > : my > : > : > : : > : > head!! > : > : > : : > : > : > Have you tried it? HaHaHa!! > : > : > : : > : > : > > : > : > : : > : > : > I do use a foot stool, when I can in front of the > : > computer. > : > : > My > : > : > : cat > : > : > : : > and > : > : > : : > : > I > : > : > : : > : > : > argue over it. She decided to take it over. I also > use > : > the > : > : > arm > : > : > : of > : > : > : : > the > : > : > : : > : > : > office > : > : > : : > : > : > chair for my arm, it relieves the shoulder pain > some. > : > : > : : > : > : > > : > : > : : > : > : > Angel > : > : > : : > : > : > > : > : > : : > : > : > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > : > : > : : > : > : > news:e0vC6MRwIHA.524@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > : > : > : : > : > : > : Knowing Angel the way I do, I think she should try > : > : > standing > : > : > in > : > : > : : > her > : > : > : : > : > head, > : > : > : : > : > : > : <eg>. > : > : > : : > : > : > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : -- > : > : > : : > : > : > : Gary S. Terhune > : > : > : : > : > : > : MS-MVP Shell/User > : > : > : : > : > : > : http://www.grystmill.com > : > : > : : > : > : > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message > : > : > : : > : > : > : news:483dd8cc$0$11631$607ed4bc@cv.net... > : > : > : : > : > : > : > Angel, If you just put a ottoman or stool with > : > pillow > : > or > : > : > : towel > : > : > : : > in > : > : > : : > : > : > front > : > : > : : > : > : > of > : > : > : : > : > : > : > you at the > : > : > : : > : > : > : > computer, it can work just as well as above the > : > heart. > : > : > Of > : > : > : : > course, > : > : > : : > : > : > laying > : > : > : : > : > : > : > down with > : > : > : : > : > : > : > feet elevated is optimal but no one really > expects > : > you > : > : > to > : > : > do > : > : > : : > that. > : > : > : : > : > : > Sorry > : > : > : : > : > : > : > for your > : > : > : : > : > : > : > problems. Ginny R.N. > : > : > : : > : > : > : > "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message > : > : > : : > : > : > : > news:%23la3KVQwIHA.1980@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> Hi Gary, > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> Doing pretty good. Don't stay on the computer > very > : > long > : > : > at > : > : > : a > : > : > : : > : > time. > : > : > : : > : > : > Still > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> trouble with the shoulder not cooperating. The > : > ankle > : > : > swells > : > : > : : > up > : > : > : : > : > quite > : > : > : : > : > : > a > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> bit. > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> Supposed to keep the leg elevated above the > heart > : > to > : > : > keep > : > : > : the > : > : > : : > : > : > swelling > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> down, > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> yeah right! Should I stand on my head? > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> When you go to yahoo! mail, you go to Options > and > : > : > follow > : > : > : the > : > : > : : > : > : > directions > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> under Preferences and you get it in text and > when > : > you > : > : > get > : > : > : the > : > : > : : > : > mail, > : > : > : : > : > : > you > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> can > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> go to the bottom of the page and hit HTML or at > the > : > top > : > : > of > : > : > : : > the > : > : > : : > : > email > : > : > : : > : > : > and > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> hit > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> the show images. EASY! > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> Angel > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> news:%23gbu8CHwIHA.4376@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : Hi, Angel! How ya doin'? I didn't know that > about > : > : > Yahoo! > : > : > : : > Mail. > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : -- > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : Gary S. Terhune > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : MS-MVP Shell/User > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : http://www.grystmill.com > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > news:%23IMYJiEwIHA.5096@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > Hi all, > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > You can also use that method in the yahoo > web > : > mail. > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > Angel > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > > news:OThQZYDwIHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : If you follow proper security habits, > : > including > : > : > : setting > : > : > : : > : > email > : > : > : : > : > : > apps > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> to > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > only > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : read messages in Plain Text, you never > have > : > to > : > : > worry > : > : > : : > about > : > : > : : > : > any > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> viruses > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : getting in. Doesn't matter what client > you > : > use. > : > : > If > : > : > : you > : > : > : : > get > : > : > : : > : > a > : > : > : : > : > : > POS > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> HTML > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > email > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : that can't be read in PT, and you trust > the > : > : > source, > : > : > : : > then > : > : > : : > : > you > : > : > : : > : > : > can > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> change > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > to > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : view in HTML (in OE, anyway.) > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : -- > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : Gary S. Terhune > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : MS-MVP Shell/User > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : http://www.grystmill.com > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : <letterman@invalid.com> wrote in message > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > : > : > news:2ooo34t082va22nc9rv0np3cr5sf9ckjhm@4ax.com... > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > I should have mentioned that Outlook > : > Express > : > is > : > : > : very > : > : > : : > poor > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> software > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > that will allow viruses to infect your > : > : > computer. > : > : > I > : > : > : : > wont > : > : > : : > : > even > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> allow > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > that POS on my computer. I deleted the > : > entire > : > : > : : > directory > : > : > : : > : > many > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> years > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > ago. I'd highly recommend finding > another > : > : > email > : > : > : : > software > : > : > : : > : > as > : > : > : : > : > : > well > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> as > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > another usenet software. (some do both, > : > such > : > as > : > : > the > : > : > : : > newer > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> versions > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> of > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > Agent). > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> > : > : > : : > : > : > : > > : > : > : : > : > : > : > > : > : > : : > : > : > : > : > : > : : > : > : > > : > : > : : > : > : > > : > : > : : > : > : > : > : > : : > : > > : > : > : : > : > > : > : > : : > : > : > : > : : > > : > : > : : > > : > : > : : > : > : > : > : > : > : > : > : > > : > : > > : > : > : > > : > > : > >
Guest Angel Posted June 1, 2008 Posted June 1, 2008 Re: IE Running well so far Gary, Just asking questions, wanted clarifications about it. Angel "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message news:%23pGIt0AxIHA.4896@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... : "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message : news:%23lef40$wIHA.3968@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... : > Will SpywareBlaster prevent me from going to places that I know are safe? : : Shouldn't. All it does is put nasty (and I mean NASTY, DANGEROUS) sites into : the Restricted Zone and block certain ActiveX controls (also *known* to be : nasty, not just *suspected* to be nasty or inconvenient.) It does not use a : HOSTS file, which actually prevents access to sites, it just puts them into : a strait-jacket. : : > Does it prevent you from going to the places that the SpywareBlaster think : > that is unsafe to go? Can you choose the places you need to go? : : It doesn't prevent you from going anywhere. It just won't let nasty stuff : from any sites run on your system. If you want to see what that stuff is, : compare the Internet Zone and the Restricted Zone settings in Internet : Options. And read about the ActiveX stuff that is listed when you click on : Internet Explorer under Protection Status in the left column. I don't mean : about ActiveX in general, I mean look up the specifically named items in : that list. : : > There are some surveys that I do that need, I think, the ActiveX. That was : > one of the reasons that I did not install it before this. Please explain : > the : > pros and cons of SpywareBlaster. : : I don't understand what you mean in that first sentence, but as I said, the : ActiveX stuff it protects against are NASTY! Period! If you go to a site and : the functions you want to work don't work because if SpywareBlaster, then : you really should reconsider why you need to go to that site. Because it has : intentionally malicious content. SpywareBlaster is not a dumb, : block-everything that's mildly suspicious, application. The things that are : blocked are, without any doubt, nasties. : : Those are the pros of SpywareBlaster. I know of no cons. If you have any : literature that claims SpywareBlaster has any cons, I'd be interested in : reading it. : : -- : Gary S. Terhune : MS-MVP Shell/User : http://www.grystmill.com : : > : > Angel : > : > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message : > news:eLgKTyzwIHA.524@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... : > : Google is your friend. But here's the manufacturer's links: : > : Info: http://www.javacoolsoftware.com/spywareblaster.html : > : Download: http://www.javacoolsoftware.com/sbdownload.html : > : : > : -- : > : Gary S. Terhune : > : MS-MVP Shell/User : > : http://www.grystmill.com : > : : > : "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message : > : news:eLU4ZrzwIHA.5832@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... : > : > Gary, : > : > : > : > It is the one you sent on the CD, "Protection Applications". When I : > did : > : > the : > : > Explorer for the folder, "Spyblaster", it says "Spyblaster setup : > 351.exe" : > : > Under date 9/17/06. How do I get the 4.0 version? : > : > : > : > Angel : > : > : > : > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message : > : > news:OV15eVrwIHA.2068@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... : > : > : Might want to make sure it's the latest version, 4.0, then install : > it. : > : > It's : > : > : pretty straight-forward. Requires a restart. Then run the app, and : > in : > : > the : > : > : Welcome dialog, click Next, choose Manual Updating, click Next, then : > : > click : > : > : Finish. : > : > : : > : > : Now, click Updates on the left column, then the Check for Updates : > : > button. : > : > : When the updating finishes, click on Protection Status at left and : > then : > : > at : > : > : the bottom, under Quick Tasks, Enable All Protection. : > : > : : > : > : Do that every week or two. : > : > : : > : > : -- : > : > : Gary S. Terhune : > : > : MS-MVP Shell/User : > : > : http://www.grystmill.com : > : > : : > : > : : > : > : "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message : > : > : news:%2310SGjqwIHA.1436@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... : > : > : > Yes Gary, : > : > : > I found it, but I never installed it. I have to figure out the : > : > : > instructions. I read the text but have to read it again. : > : > : > Angel : > : > : > : > : > : > "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message : > : > : > news:eg%23zpGqwIHA.2292@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... : > : > : > : No Gary, I do not have SypwareBlaster installed. I don't even : > think : > : > I : > : > : > have : > : > : > : it. : > : > : > : : > : > : > : Angel : > : > : > : : > : > : > : "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message : > : > : > : news:Od9njRpwIHA.1436@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... : > : > : > : : You're fine, except you left out one very important app -- : > : > : > SypwareBlaster. : > : > : > : : You DO have that installed, don't you? And you keep it up to : > date? : > : > : > : : : > : > : > : : -- : > : > : > : : Gary S. Terhune : > : > : > : : MS-MVP Shell/User : > : > : > : : http://www.grystmill.com : > : > : > : : : > : > : > : : "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message : > : > : > : : news:%23Fraq3owIHA.3384@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... : > : > : > : : > Yeah Gary, she sure could use the exercise. Send them : > anytime. : > : > We : > : > : > are : > : > : > : : > beginning to call her "Fat Cat" instead of "Streaker". : > George : > : > says : > : > : > she : > : > : > : is : > : > : > : : > a : > : > : > : : > Bowling Ball with legs! She was fat when I got her. Right : > now, : > : > she : > : > : > is : > : > : > : : > sleeping on my old Contour chair. The chair does not adjust : > very : > : > : > well : > : > : > : : > anymore, most of the time it only has one position. It needs : > a : > : > new : > : > : > one. : > : > : > : I : > : > : > : : > bought it long before I retired 16 years ago. : > : > : > : : > : > : > : > : : > I uninstalled the AdAware last night. So far, no problems : > : > because : > : > I : > : > : > : : > uninstalled it. I still have Avast! and Spybot 1.4. I have : > not : > : > : > updated : > : > : > : the : > : > : > : : > Spybot lately. I just don't know which updates to use. : > : > : > : : > : > : > : > : : > Angel : > : > : > : : > : > : > : > : : > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message : > : > : > : : > news:%23sy$sobwIHA.5520@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... : > : > : > : : > : I can send you a poodle or two to chase teh cat. Keep it : > busy. : > : > : > : : > : : > : > : > : : > : -- : > : > : > : : > : Gary S. Terhune : > : > : > : : > : MS-MVP Shell/User : > : > : > : : > : http://www.grystmill.com : > : > : > : : > : : > : > : > : : > : "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message : > : > : > : : > : news:uXJrWPZwIHA.524@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... : > : > : > : : > : > Yes, I already knew that it will take a while for the : > pain : > : > to : > : > : > : subside. : > : > : > : : > : > Even : > : > : > : : > : > the pain pills don't work that well. Gary, I am : > prepared : > : > for : > : > a : > : > : > long : > : > : > : : > hall, : > : > : > : : > : > but you know I do not give up or in easily. You are not : > : > : > pessimistic : > : > : > : : > only : > : > : > : : > : > truthful. This is no picnic, if you know what I mean. : > : > : > : : > : > : > : > : > : : > : > My cat is on the footstool I am trying to use. She takes : > up : > : > most : > : > : > of : > : > : > : : > the : > : > : > : : > : > footstool. Since I got home, she does not let me out of : > her : > : > : > sight. : > : > : > I : > : > : > : : > : > finally : > : > : > : : > : > got her to move off the stool. How? I picked her up and : > put : > : > her : > : > : > off. : > : > : > : : > She : > : > : > : : > : > did : > : > : > : : > : > not accept that. I had to do it again. She is stubborn : > and : > : > don't : > : > : > : give : > : > : > : : > up : > : > : > : : > : > easily neither. : > : > : > : : > : > : > : > : > : : > : > Angel : > : > : > : : > : > : > : > : > : : > : > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message : > : > : > : : > : > news:eeK3b$RwIHA.1504@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... : > : > : > : : > : > : Sounds like you need someone who can follow : > instructions : > : > and : > : > : > has : > : > : > a : > : > : > : : > good : > : > : > : : > : > back : > : > : > : : > : > : to get in there and help you rearrange things to your : > : > comfort. : > : > : > : After : > : > : > : : > : > all, : > : > : > : : > : > : these pains aren't going to go away real soon (sorry : > to : > be : > : > : > : : > pessimistic, : > : > : > : : > : > but : > : > : > : : > : > : I'd rather you got comfy ASAP.) : > : > : > : : > : > : : > : > : > : : > : > : As for standing on one's head while standing in one's : > : > head... : > : > : > I : > : > : > : used : > : > : > : : > to : > : > : > : : > : > do : > : > : > : : > : > : that on a regular basis, <bg>. : > : > : > : : > : > : : > : > : > : : > : > : -- : > : > : > : : > : > : Gary S. Terhune : > : > : > : : > : > : MS-MVP Shell/User : > : > : > : : > : > : http://www.grystmill.com : > : > : > : : > : > : : > : > : > : : > : > : "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message : > : > : > : : > : > : news:ucwOR8RwIHA.2208@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... : > : > : > : : > : > : > Gary, how would that be possible! "Standing in my : > head"? : > : > I : > : > : > never : > : > : > : : > would : > : > : > : : > : > try : > : > : > : : > : > : > that! I don't even think I could stand ON my head : > not : > : > alone : > : > : > IN : > : > : > : my : > : > : > : : > : > head!! : > : > : > : : > : > : > Have you tried it? HaHaHa!! : > : > : > : : > : > : > : > : > : > : : > : > : > I do use a foot stool, when I can in front of the : > : > computer. : > : > : > My : > : > : > : cat : > : > : > : : > and : > : > : > : : > : > I : > : > : > : : > : > : > argue over it. She decided to take it over. I also : > use : > : > the : > : > : > arm : > : > : > : of : > : > : > : : > the : > : > : > : : > : > : > office : > : > : > : : > : > : > chair for my arm, it relieves the shoulder pain : > some. : > : > : > : : > : > : > : > : > : > : : > : > : > Angel : > : > : > : : > : > : > : > : > : > : : > : > : > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message : > : > : > : : > : > : > news:e0vC6MRwIHA.524@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... : > : > : > : : > : > : > : Knowing Angel the way I do, I think she should try : > : > : > standing : > : > : > in : > : > : > : : > her : > : > : > : : > : > head, : > : > : > : : > : > : > : <eg>. : > : > : > : : > : > : > : : > : > : > : : > : > : > : -- : > : > : > : : > : > : > : Gary S. Terhune : > : > : > : : > : > : > : MS-MVP Shell/User : > : > : > : : > : > : > : http://www.grystmill.com : > : > : > : : > : > : > : : > : > : > : : > : > : > : "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message : > : > : > : : > : > : > : news:483dd8cc$0$11631$607ed4bc@cv.net... : > : > : > : : > : > : > : > Angel, If you just put a ottoman or stool with : > : > pillow : > : > or : > : > : > : towel : > : > : > : : > in : > : > : > : : > : > : > front : > : > : > : : > : > : > of : > : > : > : : > : > : > : > you at the : > : > : > : : > : > : > : > computer, it can work just as well as above the : > : > heart. : > : > : > Of : > : > : > : : > course, : > : > : > : : > : > : > laying : > : > : > : : > : > : > : > down with : > : > : > : : > : > : > : > feet elevated is optimal but no one really : > expects : > : > you : > : > : > to : > : > : > do : > : > : > : : > that. : > : > : > : : > : > : > Sorry : > : > : > : : > : > : > : > for your : > : > : > : : > : > : > : > problems. Ginny R.N. : > : > : > : : > : > : > : > "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message : > : > : > : : > : > : > : > news:%23la3KVQwIHA.1980@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> Hi Gary, : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> Doing pretty good. Don't stay on the computer : > very : > : > long : > : > : > at : > : > : > : a : > : > : > : : > : > time. : > : > : > : : > : > : > Still : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> trouble with the shoulder not cooperating. The : > : > ankle : > : > : > swells : > : > : > : : > up : > : > : > : : > : > quite : > : > : > : : > : > : > a : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> bit. : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> Supposed to keep the leg elevated above the : > heart : > : > to : > : > : > keep : > : > : > : the : > : > : > : : > : > : > swelling : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> down, : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> yeah right! Should I stand on my head? : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> When you go to yahoo! mail, you go to Options : > and : > : > : > follow : > : > : > : the : > : > : > : : > : > : > directions : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> under Preferences and you get it in text and : > when : > : > you : > : > : > get : > : > : > : the : > : > : > : : > : > mail, : > : > : > : : > : > : > you : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> can : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> go to the bottom of the page and hit HTML or at : > the : > : > top : > : > : > of : > : > : > : : > the : > : > : > : : > : > email : > : > : > : : > : > : > and : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> hit : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> the show images. EASY! : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> Angel : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> news:%23gbu8CHwIHA.4376@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : Hi, Angel! How ya doin'? I didn't know that : > about : > : > : > Yahoo! : > : > : > : : > Mail. : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : -- : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : Gary S. Terhune : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : MS-MVP Shell/User : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : http://www.grystmill.com : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : : > news:%23IMYJiEwIHA.5096@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > Hi all, : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > You can also use that method in the yahoo : > web : > : > mail. : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > Angel : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > news:OThQZYDwIHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : If you follow proper security habits, : > : > including : > : > : > : setting : > : > : > : : > : > email : > : > : > : : > : > : > apps : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> to : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > only : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : read messages in Plain Text, you never : > have : > : > to : > : > : > worry : > : > : > : : > about : > : > : > : : > : > any : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> viruses : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : getting in. Doesn't matter what client : > you : > : > use. : > : > : > If : > : > : > : you : > : > : > : : > get : > : > : > : : > : > a : > : > : > : : > : > : > POS : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> HTML : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > email : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : that can't be read in PT, and you trust : > the : > : > : > source, : > : > : > : : > then : > : > : > : : > : > you : > : > : > : : > : > : > can : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> change : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > to : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : view in HTML (in OE, anyway.) : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : -- : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : Gary S. Terhune : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : MS-MVP Shell/User : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : http://www.grystmill.com : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : <letterman@invalid.com> wrote in message : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : : > : > : > news:2ooo34t082va22nc9rv0np3cr5sf9ckjhm@4ax.com... : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > I should have mentioned that Outlook : > : > Express : > : > is : > : > : > : very : > : > : > : : > poor : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> software : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > that will allow viruses to infect your : > : > : > computer. : > : > : > I : > : > : > : : > wont : > : > : > : : > : > even : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> allow : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > that POS on my computer. I deleted the : > : > entire : > : > : > : : > directory : > : > : > : : > : > many : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> years : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > ago. I'd highly recommend finding : > another : > : > : > email : > : > : > : : > software : > : > : > : : > : > as : > : > : > : : > : > : > well : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> as : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > another usenet software. 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Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted June 1, 2008 Posted June 1, 2008 Re: IE Running well so far OK, well those are the best answers I have. <s>. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message news:ebySWqCxIHA.4896@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > Gary, > Just asking questions, wanted clarifications about it. > Angel > > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > news:%23pGIt0AxIHA.4896@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > : "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message > : news:%23lef40$wIHA.3968@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > : > Will SpywareBlaster prevent me from going to places that I know are > safe? > : > : Shouldn't. All it does is put nasty (and I mean NASTY, DANGEROUS) sites > into > : the Restricted Zone and block certain ActiveX controls (also *known* to > be > : nasty, not just *suspected* to be nasty or inconvenient.) It does not > use > a > : HOSTS file, which actually prevents access to sites, it just puts them > into > : a strait-jacket. > : > : > Does it prevent you from going to the places that the SpywareBlaster > think > : > that is unsafe to go? Can you choose the places you need to go? > : > : It doesn't prevent you from going anywhere. It just won't let nasty > stuff > : from any sites run on your system. If you want to see what that stuff > is, > : compare the Internet Zone and the Restricted Zone settings in Internet > : Options. And read about the ActiveX stuff that is listed when you click > on > : Internet Explorer under Protection Status in the left column. I don't > mean > : about ActiveX in general, I mean look up the specifically named items in > : that list. > : > : > There are some surveys that I do that need, I think, the ActiveX. That > was > : > one of the reasons that I did not install it before this. Please > explain > : > the > : > pros and cons of SpywareBlaster. > : > : I don't understand what you mean in that first sentence, but as I said, > the > : ActiveX stuff it protects against are NASTY! Period! If you go to a site > and > : the functions you want to work don't work because if SpywareBlaster, > then > : you really should reconsider why you need to go to that site. Because it > has > : intentionally malicious content. SpywareBlaster is not a dumb, > : block-everything that's mildly suspicious, application. The things that > are > : blocked are, without any doubt, nasties. > : > : Those are the pros of SpywareBlaster. I know of no cons. If you have any > : literature that claims SpywareBlaster has any cons, I'd be interested in > : reading it. > : > : -- > : Gary S. Terhune > : MS-MVP Shell/User > : http://www.grystmill.com > : > : > > : > Angel > : > > : > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > : > news:eLgKTyzwIHA.524@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > : > : Google is your friend. But here's the manufacturer's links: > : > : Info: http://www.javacoolsoftware.com/spywareblaster.html > : > : Download: http://www.javacoolsoftware.com/sbdownload.html > : > : > : > : -- > : > : Gary S. Terhune > : > : MS-MVP Shell/User > : > : http://www.grystmill.com > : > : > : > : "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message > : > : news:eLU4ZrzwIHA.5832@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > : > : > Gary, > : > : > > : > : > It is the one you sent on the CD, "Protection Applications". When > I > : > did > : > : > the > : > : > Explorer for the folder, "Spyblaster", it says "Spyblaster setup > : > 351.exe" > : > : > Under date 9/17/06. How do I get the 4.0 version? > : > : > > : > : > Angel > : > : > > : > : > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > : > : > news:OV15eVrwIHA.2068@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > : > : > : Might want to make sure it's the latest version, 4.0, then > install > : > it. > : > : > It's > : > : > : pretty straight-forward. Requires a restart. Then run the app, > and > : > in > : > : > the > : > : > : Welcome dialog, click Next, choose Manual Updating, click Next, > then > : > : > click > : > : > : Finish. > : > : > : > : > : > : Now, click Updates on the left column, then the Check for > Updates > : > : > button. > : > : > : When the updating finishes, click on Protection Status at left > and > : > then > : > : > at > : > : > : the bottom, under Quick Tasks, Enable All Protection. > : > : > : > : > : > : Do that every week or two. > : > : > : > : > : > : -- > : > : > : Gary S. Terhune > : > : > : MS-MVP Shell/User > : > : > : http://www.grystmill.com > : > : > : > : > : > : > : > : > : "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message > : > : > : news:%2310SGjqwIHA.1436@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > : > : > : > Yes Gary, > : > : > : > I found it, but I never installed it. I have to figure out > the > : > : > : > instructions. I read the text but have to read it again. > : > : > : > Angel > : > : > : > > : > : > : > "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message > : > : > : > news:eg%23zpGqwIHA.2292@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > : > : > : > : No Gary, I do not have SypwareBlaster installed. I don't > even > : > think > : > : > I > : > : > : > have > : > : > : > : it. > : > : > : > : > : > : > : > : Angel > : > : > : > : > : > : > : > : "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > : > : > : > : news:Od9njRpwIHA.1436@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > : > : > : > : : You're fine, except you left out one very important app -- > : > : > : > SypwareBlaster. > : > : > : > : : You DO have that installed, don't you? And you keep it up > to > : > date? > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : > : : -- > : > : > : > : : Gary S. Terhune > : > : > : > : : MS-MVP Shell/User > : > : > : > : : http://www.grystmill.com > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : > : : "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message > : > : > : > : : news:%23Fraq3owIHA.3384@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > : > : > : > : : > Yeah Gary, she sure could use the exercise. Send them > : > anytime. > : > : > We > : > : > : > are > : > : > : > : : > beginning to call her "Fat Cat" instead of "Streaker". > : > George > : > : > says > : > : > : > she > : > : > : > : is > : > : > : > : : > a > : > : > : > : : > Bowling Ball with legs! She was fat when I got her. > Right > : > now, > : > : > she > : > : > : > is > : > : > : > : : > sleeping on my old Contour chair. The chair does not > adjust > : > very > : > : > : > well > : > : > : > : : > anymore, most of the time it only has one position. It > needs > : > a > : > : > new > : > : > : > one. > : > : > : > : I > : > : > : > : : > bought it long before I retired 16 years ago. > : > : > : > : : > > : > : > : > : : > I uninstalled the AdAware last night. So far, no > problems > : > : > because > : > : > I > : > : > : > : : > uninstalled it. I still have Avast! and Spybot 1.4. I > have > : > not > : > : > : > updated > : > : > : > : the > : > : > : > : : > Spybot lately. I just don't know which updates to use. > : > : > : > : : > > : > : > : > : : > Angel > : > : > : > : : > > : > : > : > : : > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > : > : > : > : : > news:%23sy$sobwIHA.5520@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > : > : > : > : : > : I can send you a poodle or two to chase teh cat. Keep > it > : > busy. > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : > : > : : > : -- > : > : > : > : : > : Gary S. Terhune > : > : > : > : : > : MS-MVP Shell/User > : > : > : > : : > : http://www.grystmill.com > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : > : > : : > : "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message > : > : > : > : : > : news:uXJrWPZwIHA.524@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > : > : > : > : : > : > Yes, I already knew that it will take a while for > the > : > pain > : > : > to > : > : > : > : subside. > : > : > : > : : > : > Even > : > : > : > : : > : > the pain pills don't work that well. Gary, I am > : > prepared > : > : > for > : > : > a > : > : > : > long > : > : > : > : : > hall, > : > : > : > : : > : > but you know I do not give up or in easily. You are > not > : > : > : > pessimistic > : > : > : > : : > only > : > : > : > : : > : > truthful. This is no picnic, if you know what I > mean. > : > : > : > : : > : > > : > : > : > : : > : > My cat is on the footstool I am trying to use. She > takes > : > up > : > : > most > : > : > : > of > : > : > : > : : > the > : > : > : > : : > : > footstool. Since I got home, she does not let me out > of > : > her > : > : > : > sight. > : > : > : > I > : > : > : > : : > : > finally > : > : > : > : : > : > got her to move off the stool. How? I picked her up > and > : > put > : > : > her > : > : > : > off. > : > : > : > : : > She > : > : > : > : : > : > did > : > : > : > : : > : > not accept that. I had to do it again. She is > stubborn > : > and > : > : > don't > : > : > : > : give > : > : > : > : : > up > : > : > : > : : > : > easily neither. > : > : > : > : : > : > > : > : > : > : : > : > Angel > : > : > : > : : > : > > : > : > : > : : > : > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > : > : > : > : : > : > news:eeK3b$RwIHA.1504@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > : > : > : > : : > : > : Sounds like you need someone who can follow > : > instructions > : > : > and > : > : > : > has > : > : > : > a > : > : > : > : : > good > : > : > : > : : > : > back > : > : > : > : : > : > : to get in there and help you rearrange things to > your > : > : > comfort. > : > : > : > : After > : > : > : > : : > : > all, > : > : > : > : : > : > : these pains aren't going to go away real soon > (sorry > : > to > : > be > : > : > : > : : > pessimistic, > : > : > : > : : > : > but > : > : > : > : : > : > : I'd rather you got comfy ASAP.) > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : > : > : > : : > : > : As for standing on one's head while standing in > one's > : > : > head... > : > : > : > I > : > : > : > : used > : > : > : > : : > to > : > : > : > : : > : > do > : > : > : > : : > : > : that on a regular basis, <bg>. > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : > : > : > : : > : > : -- > : > : > : > : : > : > : Gary S. Terhune > : > : > : > : : > : > : MS-MVP Shell/User > : > : > : > : : > : > : http://www.grystmill.com > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : > : > : > : : > : > : "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message > : > : > : > : : > : > : news:ucwOR8RwIHA.2208@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > : > : > : > : : > : > : > Gary, how would that be possible! "Standing in > my > : > head"? > : > : > I > : > : > : > never > : > : > : > : : > would > : > : > : > : : > : > try > : > : > : > : : > : > : > that! I don't even think I could stand ON my > head > : > not > : > : > alone > : > : > : > IN > : > : > : > : my > : > : > : > : : > : > head!! > : > : > : > : : > : > : > Have you tried it? HaHaHa!! > : > : > : > : : > : > : > > : > : > : > : : > : > : > I do use a foot stool, when I can in front of > the > : > : > computer. > : > : > : > My > : > : > : > : cat > : > : > : > : : > and > : > : > : > : : > : > I > : > : > : > : : > : > : > argue over it. She decided to take it over. I > also > : > use > : > : > the > : > : > : > arm > : > : > : > : of > : > : > : > : : > the > : > : > : > : : > : > : > office > : > : > : > : : > : > : > chair for my arm, it relieves the shoulder pain > : > some. > : > : > : > : : > : > : > > : > : > : > : : > : > : > Angel > : > : > : > : : > : > : > > : > : > : > : : > : > : > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > : > : > : > : : > : > : > news:e0vC6MRwIHA.524@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : Knowing Angel the way I do, I think she should > try > : > : > : > standing > : > : > : > in > : > : > : > : : > her > : > : > : > : : > : > head, > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : <eg>. > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : -- > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : Gary S. Terhune > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : MS-MVP Shell/User > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : http://www.grystmill.com > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in > message > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : news:483dd8cc$0$11631$607ed4bc@cv.net... > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : > Angel, If you just put a ottoman or stool > with > : > : > pillow > : > : > or > : > : > : > : towel > : > : > : > : : > in > : > : > : > : : > : > : > front > : > : > : > : : > : > : > of > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : > you at the > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : > computer, it can work just as well as above > the > : > : > heart. > : > : > : > Of > : > : > : > : : > course, > : > : > : > : : > : > : > laying > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : > down with > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : > feet elevated is optimal but no one really > : > expects > : > : > you > : > : > : > to > : > : > : > do > : > : > : > : : > that. > : > : > : > : : > : > : > Sorry > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : > for your > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : > problems. Ginny R.N. > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : > "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : > > news:%23la3KVQwIHA.1980@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> Hi Gary, > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> Doing pretty good. Don't stay on the > computer > : > very > : > : > long > : > : > : > at > : > : > : > : a > : > : > : > : : > : > time. > : > : > : > : : > : > : > Still > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> trouble with the shoulder not cooperating. > The > : > : > ankle > : > : > : > swells > : > : > : > : : > up > : > : > : > : : > : > quite > : > : > : > : : > : > : > a > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> bit. > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> Supposed to keep the leg elevated above the > : > heart > : > : > to > : > : > : > keep > : > : > : > : the > : > : > : > : : > : > : > swelling > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> down, > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> yeah right! Should I stand on my head? > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> When you go to yahoo! mail, you go to > Options > : > and > : > : > : > follow > : > : > : > : the > : > : > : > : : > : > : > directions > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> under Preferences and you get it in text > and > : > when > : > : > you > : > : > : > get > : > : > : > : the > : > : > : > : : > : > mail, > : > : > : > : : > : > : > you > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> can > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> go to the bottom of the page and hit HTML > or > at > : > the > : > : > top > : > : > : > of > : > : > : > : : > the > : > : > : > : : > : > email > : > : > : > : : > : > : > and > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> hit > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> the show images. EASY! > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> Angel > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> > news:%23gbu8CHwIHA.4376@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : Hi, Angel! How ya doin'? I didn't know > that > : > about > : > : > : > Yahoo! > : > : > : > : : > Mail. > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : -- > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : Gary S. Terhune > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : MS-MVP Shell/User > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : http://www.grystmill.com > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in > message > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > news:%23IMYJiEwIHA.5096@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > Hi all, > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > You can also use that method in the > yahoo > : > web > : > : > mail. > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > Angel > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in > message > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > > : > news:OThQZYDwIHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : If you follow proper security habits, > : > : > including > : > : > : > : setting > : > : > : > : : > : > email > : > : > : > : : > : > : > apps > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> to > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > only > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : read messages in Plain Text, you > never > : > have > : > : > to > : > : > : > worry > : > : > : > : : > about > : > : > : > : : > : > any > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> viruses > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : getting in. Doesn't matter what > client > : > you > : > : > use. > : > : > : > If > : > : > : > : you > : > : > : > : : > get > : > : > : > : : > : > a > : > : > : > : : > : > : > POS > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> HTML > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > email > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : that can't be read in PT, and you > trust > : > the > : > : > : > source, > : > : > : > : : > then > : > : > : > : : > : > you > : > : > : > : : > : > : > can > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> change > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > to > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : view in HTML (in OE, anyway.) > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : -- > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : Gary S. Terhune > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : MS-MVP Shell/User > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : http://www.grystmill.com > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : <letterman@invalid.com> wrote in > message > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > : > : > : > news:2ooo34t082va22nc9rv0np3cr5sf9ckjhm@4ax.com... > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > I should have mentioned that > Outlook > : > : > Express > : > : > is > : > : > : > : very > : > : > : > : : > poor > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> software > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > that will allow viruses to infect > your > : > : > : > computer. > : > : > : > I > : > : > : > : : > wont > : > : > : > : : > : > even > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> allow > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > that POS on my computer. I deleted > the > : > : > entire > : > : > : > : : > directory > : > : > : > : : > : > many > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> years > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > ago. I'd highly recommend finding > : > another > : > : > : > email > : > : > : > : : > software > : > : > : > : : > : > as > : > : > : > : : > : > : > well > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> as > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > another usenet software. (some do > both, > : > : > such > : > : > as > : > : > : > the > : > : > : > : : > newer > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> versions > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> of > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > Agent). > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> : > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : >> > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : > > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : > > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : > : > : > : > : : > : > : > > : > : > : > : : > : > : > > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : > : > : > : : > : > > : > : > : > : : > : > > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : > : > : : > > : > : > : > : : > > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : > : > : > : > : > : > : > : > : > > : > : > : > > : > : > : > : > : > > : > : > > : > : > : > > : > > : > >
Guest PCR Posted June 1, 2008 Posted June 1, 2008 Re: IE Running well so far MEB wrote: | HAHA, you really don't mean that right,, all your iuhist.xml shows is | what WU installed and when,,, of course if your worried that somehow | makes you vulnerable,,, then take a pill... then send it. Its WU's | history file...period. The file is mysterious. It certainly seems to have online involvement, but, yea, looks like I can set IE to "work offline", & the file still did work-- this time! Fine-- I'll go look for a pill. In the meantime... (a) What will you do with mine? (b) Do you have stuff that analyses it? © Send me something to analyse mine, then, which is 93,255 bytes & tough to look at. | The only way it would or could be a mess is if YOU manually edited | it, its automatically created/added to by WU. And no, it doesn't need | an Internet connection to work,, its only connection to the NET | [supposedly] is to WU... I've looked inside, but hopefully never deleted or moved any of the lines. I have clicked the minus & plus signs-- is all, I think! It is sloppy because... (a) There are some failures. The failure reports remained inside, although a later attempt resulted in a complete for the same update. (b) The timestamps aren't all in order. Generally, looks like, the newer dates are on top-- but there are plenty out of sequence! © Some of the updates seem to be in the report TWICE-- & both were a complete. For instance...!... - <itemStatus xmlns="" timestamp="2006-06-14T19:32:42"> - <identity itemID="win98se.windows98andwindows98secondedition.ver_platform_win32_wi ndows.4.10.x86.en......com_microsoft.windowsmedia9-windows98me-kb917734- x86-182459." name="WINDOWSMEDIA9-WINDOWS98ME-KB917734-X86-182459"> <publisherName>com_microsoft</publisherName> <language>en</language> </identity> - <description hidden="0"> - <descriptionText> <title>Security Update for Windows Media Player 9 for Windows 98 and Windows ME (KB917734)</title> <eula href="/msdownload/update/v3/static/eula/en/eula.htm" /> <details href="http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=66393" /> </descriptionText> </description> - <platform name="ver_platform_win32_windows"> <processorArchitecture>x86</processorArchitecture> <version major="4" minor="10" build="" servicePackMajor="" servicePackMinor="" /> </platform> <downloadStatus value="COMPLETE" /> <downloadPath>h:\WUTemp\com_microsoft.WINDOWSMEDIA9-WINDOWS98ME-KB917734 -X86-182459</downloadPath> <client>IU_Site</client> <installStatus value="COMPLETE" needsReboot="0" /> </itemStatus> - <itemStatus xmlns="" timestamp="2006-06-14T18:39:32"> - <identity itemID="win98se.windows98andwindows98secondedition.ver_platform_win32_wi ndows.4.10.x86.en......com_microsoft.windowsmedia9-windows98me-kb917734- x86-182459." name="WINDOWSMEDIA9-WINDOWS98ME-KB917734-X86-182459"> <publisherName>com_microsoft</publisherName> <language>en</language> </identity> - <description hidden="0"> - <descriptionText> <title>Security Update for Windows Media Player 9 for Windows 98 and Windows ME (KB917734)</title> <eula href="/msdownload/update/v3/static/eula/en/eula.htm" /> <details href="http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=66393" /> </descriptionText> </description> - <platform name="ver_platform_win32_windows"> <processorArchitecture>x86</processorArchitecture> <version major="4" minor="10" build="" servicePackMajor="" servicePackMinor="" /> </platform> <downloadStatus value="COMPLETE" /> <downloadPath>h:\WUTemp\com_microsoft.WINDOWSMEDIA9-WINDOWS98ME-KB917734 -X86-182459</downloadPath> <client>IU_Site</client> | | -- | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | -- | _________ | | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message | news:uHBPRK7wIHA.5832@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... || MEB wrote: || | Thanks PCR, thought you said you had an older installation for a || | check... || || I have only one, fully updated installation of Win98SE. || || | BTW if you could send me your old iuhist for comparison, it || | would be appreciated. || || I have only one IUHist.xml. It requires an internet connection to || work. Are you sure mine would work on your machine? I'm not sure I || want to part with it! Is it safe to have someone else look inside || mine? It's a big mess, anyhow! || || | I started new testing phases after the December || | 2005 issues., so all iuhist [that I remembered to save] after, have || | not got that in it. I'd like to compare my old ones with yours to || | see what else was removed. Perhaps you may have some other things || | missing which I may not have [due to several re-installations || | during the final support days or before] or overlooked.. || | || | m_brahier at hotmail dot com || | || | -- || | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com || | -- || | _________ || | || | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message || | news:enYFst5wIHA.2068@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... || || MEB wrote: || || | Okay, hopefully someone has an older installation that can || || | verify prior WU installation to confirm that aspect. Doesn't || || | PCR run an old installation? || || || || JUST like for you, IUHist.xml shows 823353 came in for me from || || Windows Update. I got it one day before you. || || || || It is not at the Catalog for Win98 in any of the categories || || (looking for 823353 or MS04-018), which finally has begun to work || || again after 3 days... || || http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/catalog/en/default.asp || || || || And it wasn't among my downloads from the Catalog. So, either I || || didn't look quick enough for it or it never was there. HOWEVER... || || || || http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=19527 || || Microsoft Security Bulletin MS04-018 || || Cumulative Security Update for Outlook Express (823353) || || || || ...from our IUHist.xml DOES serve to get to it. Thanks to you & || || Terhune (especially for testing it)-- I took it in, just in case I || || ever need to reinstall it. I took in... || || || || . Microsoft Outlook Express 6 Service Pack 1 || || IE6.0sp1-KB823353-x86-ENU.exe || || Desc: Win32 Cabinet Self-Extractor || || Size: 1,996,544 bytes || || Ver: 6.00.2800.1168 || || || || I'm not sure whether the version refers to the update or the || || Extractor. I DO verify that the files you mentioned are indeed the || || versions I've got. Thanks again to you & Terhune. || || || || | -- || || | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com ....snip -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR pcrrcp@netzero.net
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