Problems with Wide Screen Monitor and XP

[Guest NoName]

I have an E-machine with an NVidia graphics chip set (6100, I think,

but I'm not sure of that -- not sitting in front of that machine right

now). I also just purchased the Dell E228WFP 22-inch Widescreen Flat

Panel Monitor, my first wide screen monitor, which has a maximum

resolution of 1680 x 1050 at 60 Hz.

 

I don't want to use the maximum resolution mode because (1) the fonts

are too small, and (2) I think there is some flicker, even though I

thought the flat panel monitors are not supposed to have the flicker

issues associated with the older CRTs.

 

Either way, I tried to set the monitor to a lower resolution mode

(like 1024 x 768), only to discover that the fonts all were suddenly

stretched out. Apparently the 1680 x 1050 mode has a driver that is

optimized for Windows -- meaning the fonts have appropriate, normal

widths -- but the other modes "think" they are on a monitor with a

standard aspect ratio, and so are stretched out.

 

I could not find any settings under the display features to fix this.

Can anyone either steer me to some settings in Windows XP to adjust

the aspect ratio appropriately, or some generic wide screen monitor

driver than can fix this?

[Guest Brian A.]

Re: Problems with Wide Screen Monitor and XP

 

"NoName" <null@null.com> wrote in message

news:kium34lc7ahgcul3p7tseptokrhthq16l4@4ax.com...

>I have an E-machine with an NVidia graphics chip set (6100, I think,

> but I'm not sure of that -- not sitting in front of that machine right

> now). I also just purchased the Dell E228WFP 22-inch Widescreen Flat

> Panel Monitor, my first wide screen monitor, which has a maximum

> resolution of 1680 x 1050 at 60 Hz.

>

> I don't want to use the maximum resolution mode because (1) the fonts

> are too small, and (2) I think there is some flicker, even though I

> thought the flat panel monitors are not supposed to have the flicker

> issues associated with the older CRTs.

>

> Either way, I tried to set the monitor to a lower resolution mode

> (like 1024 x 768), only to discover that the fonts all were suddenly

> stretched out. Apparently the 1680 x 1050 mode has a driver that is

> optimized for Windows -- meaning the fonts have appropriate, normal

> widths -- but the other modes "think" they are on a monitor with a

> standard aspect ratio, and so are stretched out.

>

> I could not find any settings under the display features to fix this.

> Can anyone either steer me to some settings in Windows XP to adjust

> the aspect ratio appropriately, or some generic wide screen monitor

> driver than can fix this?

>

 

Try the next resolution or two/three/four etc up. Some of the resolutions

will cause what you see with the fonts/icons while others won't. If your

getting flickering try lowering or raising your Refresh Rate. If it's set at

the highest rate lower it by one for a start, if it's set to the lowest rate

raise it.

 

--

 

 

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Conflicts start where information lacks.

http://basconotw.mvps.org/

 

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How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375

[Guest Patrick Keenan]

Re: Problems with Wide Screen Monitor and XP

 

"NoName" <null@null.com> wrote in message

news:kium34lc7ahgcul3p7tseptokrhthq16l4@4ax.com...

>I have an E-machine with an NVidia graphics chip set (6100, I think,

> but I'm not sure of that -- not sitting in front of that machine right

> now). I also just purchased the Dell E228WFP 22-inch Widescreen Flat

> Panel Monitor, my first wide screen monitor, which has a maximum

> resolution of 1680 x 1050 at 60 Hz.

>

> I don't want to use the maximum resolution mode because (1) the fonts

> are too small, and (2) I think there is some flicker, even though I

> thought the flat panel monitors are not supposed to have the flicker

> issues associated with the older CRTs.

 

They don't. This is sometimes related to the brightness setting, not the

refresh rate.

 

> Either way, I tried to set the monitor to a lower resolution mode

> (like 1024 x 768), only to discover that the fonts all were suddenly

> stretched out. Apparently the 1680 x 1050 mode has a driver that is

> optimized for Windows -- meaning the fonts have appropriate, normal

> widths -- but the other modes "think" they are on a monitor with a

> standard aspect ratio, and so are stretched out.

>

> I could not find any settings under the display features to fix this.

> Can anyone either steer me to some settings in Windows XP to adjust

> the aspect ratio appropriately, or some generic wide screen monitor

> driver than can fix this?

 

It's not the monitor driver, though you may find an INF file that can help

describe the monitor. The problem is with the resolution and ratio you've

chosen. Try several and keep notes as you go. 1024x768 is not an

appropriate setting for a widescreen monitor and will produce the effect

you're seeing.

 

You can use text or a circular image to help you judge the appropriate

resolution. When the circle stops being oval, you have the ratio correct.

 

HTH

-pk

[Guest Nonny]

Re: Problems with Wide Screen Monitor and XP

 

On Tue, 27 May 2008 02:10:04 GMT, NoName <null@null.com> wrote:

>I have an E-machine with an NVidia graphics chip set (6100, I think,

>but I'm not sure of that -- not sitting in front of that machine right

>now). I also just purchased the Dell E228WFP 22-inch Widescreen Flat

>Panel Monitor, my first wide screen monitor, which has a maximum

>resolution of 1680 x 1050 at 60 Hz.

>

>I don't want to use the maximum resolution mode because (1) the fonts

>are too small, and (2) I think there is some flicker, even though I

>thought the flat panel monitors are not supposed to have the flicker

>issues associated with the older CRTs.

>

>Either way, I tried to set the monitor to a lower resolution mode

>(like 1024 x 768), only to discover that the fonts all were suddenly

>stretched out. Apparently the 1680 x 1050 mode has a driver that is

>optimized for Windows -- meaning the fonts have appropriate, normal

>widths -- but the other modes "think" they are on a monitor with a

>standard aspect ratio, and so are stretched out.

 

You need to set your resolution to a figure that you are not used to

using. Your monitor doesn't have the standard vertical and horizontal

measurements, thus the "stretching"

 

Choose the next resolution above 1024x768

>

>I could not find any settings under the display features to fix this.

>Can anyone either steer me to some settings in Windows XP to adjust

>the aspect ratio appropriately, or some generic wide screen monitor

>driver than can fix this?

[Guest Telstar]

Re: Problems with Wide Screen Monitor and XP

 

LCD monitors have a single, best, native resolution. Changing this native

resolution always ends up with such problems. Find that resolution. This

is a downside from CRTs.

[Guest M.I.5¾]

Re: Problems with Wide Screen Monitor and XP

 

 

"Patrick Keenan" <test@dev.null> wrote in message

news:ObAqxW6vIHA.1504@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> "NoName" <null@null.com> wrote in message

> news:kium34lc7ahgcul3p7tseptokrhthq16l4@4ax.com...

>>I have an E-machine with an NVidia graphics chip set (6100, I think,

>> but I'm not sure of that -- not sitting in front of that machine right

>> now). I also just purchased the Dell E228WFP 22-inch Widescreen Flat

>> Panel Monitor, my first wide screen monitor, which has a maximum

>> resolution of 1680 x 1050 at 60 Hz.

>>

>> I don't want to use the maximum resolution mode because (1) the fonts

>> are too small, and (2) I think there is some flicker, even though I

>> thought the flat panel monitors are not supposed to have the flicker

>> issues associated with the older CRTs.

>

> They don't. This is sometimes related to the brightness setting, not the

> refresh rate.

>

 

Not strictly correct. Although LCD panels don't flicker in normal use,

there are certain patterns that if displayed on an LCD display cause a

really bad flickering problem. I have one such pattern here on a Unix

machine. It can best be described as a small dog tooth type pattern, but

the display really flickers when it is displayed.

>

[Guest dadiOH]

Re: Problems with Wide Screen Monitor and XP

 

NoName wrote:

> I have an E-machine with an NVidia graphics chip set (6100, I think,

> but I'm not sure of that -- not sitting in front of that machine right

> now). I also just purchased the Dell E228WFP 22-inch Widescreen Flat

> Panel Monitor, my first wide screen monitor, which has a maximum

> resolution of 1680 x 1050 at 60 Hz.

>

> I don't want to use the maximum resolution mode because (1) the fonts

> are too small, and (2) I think there is some flicker, even though I

> thought the flat panel monitors are not supposed to have the flicker

> issues associated with the older CRTs.

>

> Either way, I tried to set the monitor to a lower resolution mode

> (like 1024 x 768), only to discover that the fonts all were suddenly

> stretched out. Apparently the 1680 x 1050 mode has a driver that is

> optimized for Windows -- meaning the fonts have appropriate, normal

> widths -- but the other modes "think" they are on a monitor with a

> standard aspect ratio, and so are stretched out.

>

> I could not find any settings under the display features to fix this.

> Can anyone either steer me to some settings in Windows XP to adjust

> the aspect ratio appropriately, or some generic wide screen monitor

> driver than can fix this?

 

That's where you change stuff - Display, Settings. Also, Display,

Appearance.

 

You need to select a screen resolution that has the same length to width

ratio as 1680:1050. An easy way to do that is divide one number into the

other. For example, 1680/1050 = 1.6. The one you tried, 1024/768 =

1.333333 ergo the distortion. Which screen resolutions are available to you

depends on your video card but I suspect there is more than one that will

give you the desired 1.6.

 

If the one you ultimately settle on still makes things too small you can

modify overall font size in Display, Appearance; you can modify font sizes

(and more) for specific things in Display, Appearance, Advanced by selecting

the item in the "Item" box.

 

--

 

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[Guest Keith W]

Re: Problems with Wide Screen Monitor and XP

 

 

"NoName" <null@null.com> wrote in message

news:kium34lc7ahgcul3p7tseptokrhthq16l4@4ax.com...

>I have an E-machine with an NVidia graphics chip set (6100, I think,

> but I'm not sure of that -- not sitting in front of that machine right

> now). I also just purchased the Dell E228WFP 22-inch Widescreen Flat

> Panel Monitor, my first wide screen monitor, which has a maximum

> resolution of 1680 x 1050 at 60 Hz.

>

> I don't want to use the maximum resolution mode because (1) the fonts

> are too small, and (2) I think there is some flicker, even though I

> thought the flat panel monitors are not supposed to have the flicker

> issues associated with the older CRTs.

>

> Either way, I tried to set the monitor to a lower resolution mode

> (like 1024 x 768), only to discover that the fonts all were suddenly

> stretched out. Apparently the 1680 x 1050 mode has a driver that is

> optimized for Windows -- meaning the fonts have appropriate, normal

> widths -- but the other modes "think" they are on a monitor with a

> standard aspect ratio, and so are stretched out.

>

> I could not find any settings under the display features to fix this.

> Can anyone either steer me to some settings in Windows XP to adjust

> the aspect ratio appropriately, or some generic wide screen monitor

> driver than can fix this?

 

 

Check the manual for your monitor. You should use the recommended

resolution (you say 1680x1050) and the correct refresh rate which is

probably 60hz. If the fonts are too small (as mine were on my 19 inch wide

screen at 1440x900 resolution) you can increase the size. Open the

display settings (Control Panel/Display) and click on the Appearance tab.

The bottom item is Font Size where you can select Normal, Large or Extra

Large. I found that Large was fine for mine. If the screen flickers

with these settings then either something else is causing it or you have a

faulty monitor.

--

Keith Willcocks

(If you can't laugh at life, it ain't worth living)

[Guest Paul]

Re: Problems with Wide Screen Monitor and XP

 

M.I.5¾ wrote:

> "Patrick Keenan" <test@dev.null> wrote in message

> news:ObAqxW6vIHA.1504@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>> "NoName" <null@null.com> wrote in message

>> news:kium34lc7ahgcul3p7tseptokrhthq16l4@4ax.com...

>>> I have an E-machine with an NVidia graphics chip set (6100, I think,

>>> but I'm not sure of that -- not sitting in front of that machine right

>>> now). I also just purchased the Dell E228WFP 22-inch Widescreen Flat

>>> Panel Monitor, my first wide screen monitor, which has a maximum

>>> resolution of 1680 x 1050 at 60 Hz.

>>>

>>> I don't want to use the maximum resolution mode because (1) the fonts

>>> are too small, and (2) I think there is some flicker, even though I

>>> thought the flat panel monitors are not supposed to have the flicker

>>> issues associated with the older CRTs.

>> They don't. This is sometimes related to the brightness setting, not the

>> refresh rate.

>>

>

> Not strictly correct. Although LCD panels don't flicker in normal use,

> there are certain patterns that if displayed on an LCD display cause a

> really bad flickering problem. I have one such pattern here on a Unix

> machine. It can best be described as a small dog tooth type pattern, but

> the display really flickers when it is displayed.

>

>

 

I recommend this article. Some modern LCDs employ techniques which

can add flicker, compared to older LCD monitors. They do this,

to change the apparent response time.

 

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/other/display/lcd-parameters.html

 

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/other/display/lcd-parameters_5.html

 

"We haven’t yet tested the FP241WZ in our labs, so I can only quote

a review published by the respectable BeHardware (“BenQ FP241WZ:

1st LCD with screening”). Vincent Alzieu writes there that the new

technology indeed improves the subjective perception of the monitor’s

response time, but although only one out of the 16 backlight lamps

is off at any given moment, a flickering of the screen can be noticed

in some cases, particularly on large solid-color fields."

 

Another possibility, is a mechanism like this. 6 bit panels and dithering.

http://www.geocities.com/icecow88/970p-dithering-en.html

 

HTH,

Paul

[Guest Felicia]

Re: Problems with Wide Screen Monitor and XP

 

Try 1280 x 960 :)

 

"Keith W" wrote:

>

> "NoName" <null@null.com> wrote in message

> news:kium34lc7ahgcul3p7tseptokrhthq16l4@4ax.com...

> >I have an E-machine with an NVidia graphics chip set (6100, I think,

> > but I'm not sure of that -- not sitting in front of that machine right

> > now). I also just purchased the Dell E228WFP 22-inch Widescreen Flat

> > Panel Monitor, my first wide screen monitor, which has a maximum

> > resolution of 1680 x 1050 at 60 Hz.

> >

> > I don't want to use the maximum resolution mode because (1) the fonts

> > are too small, and (2) I think there is some flicker, even though I

> > thought the flat panel monitors are not supposed to have the flicker

> > issues associated with the older CRTs.

> >

> > Either way, I tried to set the monitor to a lower resolution mode

> > (like 1024 x 768), only to discover that the fonts all were suddenly

> > stretched out. Apparently the 1680 x 1050 mode has a driver that is

> > optimized for Windows -- meaning the fonts have appropriate, normal

> > widths -- but the other modes "think" they are on a monitor with a

> > standard aspect ratio, and so are stretched out.

> >

> > I could not find any settings under the display features to fix this.

> > Can anyone either steer me to some settings in Windows XP to adjust

> > the aspect ratio appropriately, or some generic wide screen monitor

> > driver than can fix this?

>

>

> Check the manual for your monitor. You should use the recommended

> resolution (you say 1680x1050) and the correct refresh rate which is

> probably 60hz. If the fonts are too small (as mine were on my 19 inch wide

> screen at 1440x900 resolution) you can increase the size. Open the

> display settings (Control Panel/Display) and click on the Appearance tab.

> The bottom item is Font Size where you can select Normal, Large or Extra

> Large. I found that Large was fine for mine. If the screen flickers

> with these settings then either something else is causing it or you have a

> faulty monitor.

> --

> Keith Willcocks

> (If you can't laugh at life, it ain't worth living)

>

>

>

[Guest M.I.5¾]

Re: Problems with Wide Screen Monitor and XP

 

 

"Paul" <nospam@needed.com> wrote in message news:g1hda2$3rn$1@aioe.org...

> M.I.5¾ wrote:

>> "Patrick Keenan" <test@dev.null> wrote in message

>> news:ObAqxW6vIHA.1504@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>> "NoName" <null@null.com> wrote in message

>>> news:kium34lc7ahgcul3p7tseptokrhthq16l4@4ax.com...

>>>> I have an E-machine with an NVidia graphics chip set (6100, I think,

>>>> but I'm not sure of that -- not sitting in front of that machine right

>>>> now). I also just purchased the Dell E228WFP 22-inch Widescreen Flat

>>>> Panel Monitor, my first wide screen monitor, which has a maximum

>>>> resolution of 1680 x 1050 at 60 Hz.

>>>>

>>>> I don't want to use the maximum resolution mode because (1) the fonts

>>>> are too small, and (2) I think there is some flicker, even though I

>>>> thought the flat panel monitors are not supposed to have the flicker

>>>> issues associated with the older CRTs.

>>> They don't. This is sometimes related to the brightness setting, not

>>> the refresh rate.

>>>

>>

>> Not strictly correct. Although LCD panels don't flicker in normal use,

>> there are certain patterns that if displayed on an LCD display cause a

>> really bad flickering problem. I have one such pattern here on a Unix

>> machine. It can best be described as a small dog tooth type pattern, but

>> the display really flickers when it is displayed.

>>

>>

>

> I recommend this article. Some modern LCDs employ techniques which

> can add flicker, compared to older LCD monitors. They do this,

> to change the apparent response time.

>

> http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/other/display/lcd-parameters.html

>

> http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/other/display/lcd-parameters_5.html

>

> "We haven’t yet tested the FP241WZ in our labs, so I can only quote

> a review published by the respectable BeHardware (“BenQ FP241WZ:

> 1st LCD with screening”). Vincent Alzieu writes there that the new

> technology indeed improves the subjective perception of the monitor’s

> response time, but although only one out of the 16 backlight lamps

> is off at any given moment, a flickering of the screen can be noticed

> in some cases, particularly on large solid-color fields."

>

> Another possibility, is a mechanism like this. 6 bit panels and dithering.

> http://www.geocities.com/icecow88/970p-dithering-en.html

>

>

 

This is actually a black and white pattern. It has no grey shades in it at

all. This monitor is a fairly standard LCD monitor.