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--

Thanks or Good Luck,

There may be humor in this post, and,

Naturally, you will not sue,

Should things get worse after this,

PCR

May 28, 2008

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Thanks, and same courteous sentiments to you.

I always skim read the forums here (as well as the other groups I

frequented) I don't have the time luxury to post as much as I use to

anymore though, but am always around.

Rick

May 29, 2008

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Rick Chauvin wrote:

| Thanks, and same courteous sentiments to you.

|

| I always skim read the forums here (as well as the other groups I

| frequented) I don't have the time luxury to post as much as I use to

| anymore though, but am always around.

Good to know you are around. I've had to triple the thickness of my

tinfoil hat in this WinXP thread-- but still got a few new holes in my

head! Before I leave it, can you settle the issue whether the

Modification Date of an XP folder should change (Bill of Co. with XP

Home Edition) when a file is added/removed/changed in that folder or

remain the same (Terhune with Professional Edition)? Can Terhune have

been looking at Creation Date, which needs to be added by a tweak, acc.

to Brian A.?

| Rick

--

Thanks or Good Luck,

There may be humor in this post, and,

Naturally, you will not sue,

Should things get worse after this,

PCR

May 29, 2008

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PCR wrote:

> Rick Chauvin wrote:

>> Thanks, and same courteous sentiments to you.

>>

>> I always skim read the forums here (as well as the other groups I

>> frequented) I don't have the time luxury to post as much as I use to

>> anymore though, but am always around.

>

> Good to know you are around. I've had to triple the thickness of my

> tinfoil hat in this WinXP thread-- but still got a few new holes in my

> head! Before I leave it, can you settle the issue whether the

> Modification Date of an XP folder should change (Bill of Co. with XP

> Home Edition) when a file is added/removed/changed in that folder or

> remain the same (Terhune with Professional Edition)? Can Terhune have

> been looking at Creation Date, which needs to be added by a tweak, acc.

> to Brian A.?

>

>> Rick

All I know is what I can tell you - it DOES change the Folder Modification

date.

But then again, as I later noted, I was wondering if that's the way it

should be by design, since someone could (conceivably) argue, "hey, you made

a change inside that folder, so I'm gonna update its date!". But it

doesn't work that way in Win98SE, and I liked it better that way. :-)

Also, I don't want to have to keep track of TWO folder dates (Creation and

Modification). I've got enough to keep track of as it is!

Point #2. Hey PCR, if you're ever even considering WinXP, time is running

out. As of June 30, it (for all intents and purposes) ain't gonna be

around anymore (if MS keeps its date).

May 29, 2008

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In re me, the answer is, "No." You think I didn't quadruple-check?

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

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> Rick Chauvin wrote:

> | Thanks, and same courteous sentiments to you.

> |

> | I always skim read the forums here (as well as the other groups I

> | frequented) I don't have the time luxury to post as much as I use to

> | anymore though, but am always around.

>

> Good to know you are around. I've had to triple the thickness of my

> tinfoil hat in this WinXP thread-- but still got a few new holes in my

> head! Before I leave it, can you settle the issue whether the

> Modification Date of an XP folder should change (Bill of Co. with XP

> Home Edition) when a file is added/removed/changed in that folder or

> remain the same (Terhune with Professional Edition)? Can Terhune have

> been looking at Creation Date, which needs to be added by a tweak, acc.

> to Brian A.?

>

> | Rick

>

> --

> Thanks or Good Luck,

> There may be humor in this post, and,

> Naturally, you will not sue,

> Should things get worse after this,

> PCR

>

May 29, 2008

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Bill in Co. wrote:

| PCR wrote:

|> Rick Chauvin wrote:

|>> Thanks, and same courteous sentiments to you.

|>>

|>> I always skim read the forums here (as well as the other groups I

|>> frequented) I don't have the time luxury to post as much as I use to

|>> anymore though, but am always around.

|>

|> Good to know you are around. I've had to triple the thickness of my

|> tinfoil hat in this WinXP thread-- but still got a few new holes in

|> my head! Before I leave it, can you settle the issue whether the

|> Modification Date of an XP folder should change (Bill of Co. with XP

|> Home Edition) when a file is added/removed/changed in that folder or

|> remain the same (Terhune with Professional Edition)? Can Terhune have

|> been looking at Creation Date, which needs to be added by a tweak,

|> acc. to Brian A.?

|>

|>> Rick

|

| All I know is what I can tell you - it DOES change the Folder

| Modification date.

It doesn't seem right that Home would & Professional wouldn't. Could be

Terhune has a special setting, was looking at Creation Date, or was

dizzy over a 24-hour effort & fix for CdLSRN, I guess.

| But then again, as I later noted, I was wondering if that's the way it

| should be by design, since someone could (conceivably) argue, "hey,

| you made a change inside that folder, so I'm gonna update its date!".

| But it doesn't work that way in Win98SE, and I liked it better that

| way. :-)

Yea, I like it that way too. It says when the package first entered my

machine. What you say could be a logical explanation-- BUT why is

Terhune seeing it differently? Could be he's been exposed to more of the

XP-irradition, I guess.

| Also, I don't want to have to keep track of TWO folder dates

| (Creation and Modification). I've got enough to keep track of as

| it is!

Creation would be important for folders only & modification for files.

So... it's still the same number of dates you'd have to keep track of.

| Point #2. Hey PCR, if you're ever even considering WinXP, time is

| running out. As of June 30, it (for all intents and purposes) ain't

| gonna be around anymore (if MS keeps its date).

You don't even want to keep track of two dates-- how do you expect me to

keep track of two computers?!

--

Thanks or Good Luck,

There may be humor in this post, and,

Naturally, you will not sue,

Should things get worse after this,

PCR

May 29, 2008

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In re Point #2 :

How long ago did MS "stop sales" of Windows 98SE?

How easy is it to still obtain a brand new copy, much less used copies, much

less pirated ones?

I rest my case.

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

| http://www.grystmill.com

"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

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> PCR wrote:

>> Rick Chauvin wrote:

>>> Thanks, and same courteous sentiments to you.

>>>

>>> I always skim read the forums here (as well as the other groups I

>>> frequented) I don't have the time luxury to post as much as I use to

>>> anymore though, but am always around.

>>

>> Good to know you are around. I've had to triple the thickness of my

>> tinfoil hat in this WinXP thread-- but still got a few new holes in my

>> head! Before I leave it, can you settle the issue whether the

>> Modification Date of an XP folder should change (Bill of Co. with XP

>> Home Edition) when a file is added/removed/changed in that folder or

>> remain the same (Terhune with Professional Edition)? Can Terhune have

>> been looking at Creation Date, which needs to be added by a tweak, acc.

>> to Brian A.?

>>

>>> Rick

>

> All I know is what I can tell you - it DOES change the Folder Modification

> date.

>

> But then again, as I later noted, I was wondering if that's the way it

> should be by design, since someone could (conceivably) argue, "hey, you

> made a change inside that folder, so I'm gonna update its date!". But

> it doesn't work that way in Win98SE, and I liked it better that way. :-)

>

> Also, I don't want to have to keep track of TWO folder dates (Creation and

> Modification). I've got enough to keep track of as it is!

>

> Point #2. Hey PCR, if you're ever even considering WinXP, time is

> running out. As of June 30, it (for all intents and purposes) ain't

> gonna be around anymore (if MS keeps its date).

>

May 29, 2008

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Gary S. Terhune wrote:

| In re me, the answer is, "No." You think I didn't quadruple-check?

It just seems odd, is all. And I do know you've been extremely busy

lately with a 24-hour fix effort for CdLSRN. Good work on that, though.

| --

| Gary S. Terhune

| MS-MVP Shell/User

|

| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

| news:eqUvx0SwIHA.1236@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

|> Rick Chauvin wrote:

|> | Thanks, and same courteous sentiments to you.

|> |

|> | I always skim read the forums here (as well as the other groups I

|> | frequented) I don't have the time luxury to post as much as I use

|> | to anymore though, but am always around.

|>

|> Good to know you are around. I've had to triple the thickness of my

|> tinfoil hat in this WinXP thread-- but still got a few new holes in

|> my head! Before I leave it, can you settle the issue whether the

|> Modification Date of an XP folder should change (Bill of Co. with XP

|> Home Edition) when a file is added/removed/changed in that folder or

|> remain the same (Terhune with Professional Edition)? Can Terhune have

|> been looking at Creation Date, which needs to be added by a tweak,

|> acc. to Brian A.?

|>

|> | Rick

|>

|> --

|> Thanks or Good Luck,

|> There may be humor in this post, and,

|> Naturally, you will not sue,

|> Should things get worse after this,

|> PCR

--

Thanks or Good Luck,

There may be humor in this post, and,

Naturally, you will not sue,

Should things get worse after this,

PCR

May 29, 2008

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Anyway, my sieve of a brain DOES recall running into what Bill is talking

about, but I can't recall the circumstances. That simple. It struck me as

something certain types of workers might like, but danged if I can recall

the logic behind that thought.

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

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> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

> | In re me, the answer is, "No." You think I didn't quadruple-check?

>

> It just seems odd, is all. And I do know you've been extremely busy

> lately with a 24-hour fix effort for CdLSRN. Good work on that, though.

>

> | --

> | Gary S. Terhune

> | MS-MVP Shell/User

> | http://www.grystmill.com

> |

> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

> | news:eqUvx0SwIHA.1236@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> |> Rick Chauvin wrote:

> |> | Thanks, and same courteous sentiments to you.

> |> |

> |> | I always skim read the forums here (as well as the other groups I

> |> | frequented) I don't have the time luxury to post as much as I use

> |> | to anymore though, but am always around.

> |>

> |> Good to know you are around. I've had to triple the thickness of my

> |> tinfoil hat in this WinXP thread-- but still got a few new holes in

> |> my head! Before I leave it, can you settle the issue whether the

> |> Modification Date of an XP folder should change (Bill of Co. with XP

> |> Home Edition) when a file is added/removed/changed in that folder or

> |> remain the same (Terhune with Professional Edition)? Can Terhune have

> |> been looking at Creation Date, which needs to be added by a tweak,

> |> acc. to Brian A.?

> |>

> |> | Rick

> |>

> |> --

> |> Thanks or Good Luck,

> |> There may be humor in this post, and,

> |> Naturally, you will not sue,

> |> Should things get worse after this,

> |> PCR

> |> pcrrcp@netzero.net

>

> --

> Thanks or Good Luck,

> There may be humor in this post, and,

> Naturally, you will not sue,

> Should things get worse after this,

> PCR

>

May 29, 2008

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PCR wrote:

> Bill in Co. wrote:

>> PCR wrote:

>>> Rick Chauvin wrote:

>>>> Thanks, and same courteous sentiments to you.

>>>>

>>>> I always skim read the forums here (as well as the other groups I

>>>> frequented) I don't have the time luxury to post as much as I use to

>>>> anymore though, but am always around.

>>>

>>> Good to know you are around. I've had to triple the thickness of my

>>> tinfoil hat in this WinXP thread-- but still got a few new holes in

>>> my head! Before I leave it, can you settle the issue whether the

>>> Modification Date of an XP folder should change (Bill of Co. with XP

>>> Home Edition) when a file is added/removed/changed in that folder or

>>> remain the same (Terhune with Professional Edition)? Can Terhune have

>>> been looking at Creation Date, which needs to be added by a tweak,

>>> acc. to Brian A.?

>>>

>>>> Rick

>>

>> All I know is what I can tell you - it DOES change the Folder

>> Modification date.

>

> It doesn't seem right that Home would & Professional wouldn't. Could be

> Terhune has a special setting, was looking at Creation Date, or was

> dizzy over a 24-hour effort & fix for CdLSRN, I guess.

I don't know. All I *do* know is what happens over here on XP Home.

>> But then again, as I later noted, I was wondering if that's the way it

>> should be by design, since someone could (conceivably) argue, "hey,

>> you made a change inside that folder, so I'm gonna update its date!".

>> But it doesn't work that way in Win98SE, and I liked it better that

>> way. :-)

>

> Yea, I like it that way too. It says when the package first entered my

> machine. What you say could be a logical explanation-- BUT why is

> Terhune seeing it differently? Could be he's been exposed to more of the

> XP-irradition, I guess.

>

>> Also, I don't want to have to keep track of TWO folder dates

>> (Creation and Modification). I've got enough to keep track of as it

>> is!

>

> Creation would be important for folders only & modification for files.

> So... it's still the same number of dates you'd have to keep track of.

But I only needed to keep track of Modified date for folders too! After

all, when a Folder is "created", its Modified date is also date stamped

then, too. So, no real need (most of the time) for a Creation Date column,

at least for me, for that reason.

>> Point #2. Hey PCR, if you're ever even considering WinXP, time is

>> running out. As of June 30, it (for all intents and purposes) ain't

>> gonna be around anymore (if MS keeps its date).

>

> You don't even want to keep track of two dates-- how do you expect me to

> keep track of two computers?!

LOL. It is a bit challenging at times, I can say. But in all honest, I

haven't been using the Win98SE one so much now (but still do, on occasion).

May 29, 2008

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OK, I swear I tested and I tested at least twice, then when questioned, I

tested again, and did not see any change in a folder's date-modified change

after adding/subtracting files. But I look now and that is what is

happening. Blame fatigue, blame distractions, or maybe blame something more

mysterious. (And, no, PCR, I don't even have Date Created showing unless I

need it, and then I turn it right back off when I'm done with it.) In any

case, when you think about it, it makes sense. Why repeat the Date Created

with Date Modified? Why not have Date Modified, for a folder, mean

something?

Still, I'm sorry about that foul-up. It's something I probably already knew,

but that went bye-bye along with a lot of my memory. I meant it when I said

I'd used the info a lot, just not any time recently. Though I'm not clear on

why you would need the info at all frequently, I used it to sort what

amounted to a huge database. I must have been using Date Created.

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

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> PCR wrote:

>> Bill in Co. wrote:

>>> PCR wrote:

>>>> Rick Chauvin wrote:

>>>>> Thanks, and same courteous sentiments to you.

>>>>>

>>>>> I always skim read the forums here (as well as the other groups I

>>>>> frequented) I don't have the time luxury to post as much as I use to

>>>>> anymore though, but am always around.

>>>>

>>>> Good to know you are around. I've had to triple the thickness of my

>>>> tinfoil hat in this WinXP thread-- but still got a few new holes in

>>>> my head! Before I leave it, can you settle the issue whether the

>>>> Modification Date of an XP folder should change (Bill of Co. with XP

>>>> Home Edition) when a file is added/removed/changed in that folder or

>>>> remain the same (Terhune with Professional Edition)? Can Terhune have

>>>> been looking at Creation Date, which needs to be added by a tweak,

>>>> acc. to Brian A.?

>>>>

>>>>> Rick

>>>

>>> All I know is what I can tell you - it DOES change the Folder

>>> Modification date.

>>

>> It doesn't seem right that Home would & Professional wouldn't. Could be

>> Terhune has a special setting, was looking at Creation Date, or was

>> dizzy over a 24-hour effort & fix for CdLSRN, I guess.

>

> I don't know. All I *do* know is what happens over here on XP Home.

>

>>> But then again, as I later noted, I was wondering if that's the way it

>>> should be by design, since someone could (conceivably) argue, "hey,

>>> you made a change inside that folder, so I'm gonna update its date!".

>>> But it doesn't work that way in Win98SE, and I liked it better that

>>> way. :-)

>>

>> Yea, I like it that way too. It says when the package first entered my

>> machine. What you say could be a logical explanation-- BUT why is

>> Terhune seeing it differently? Could be he's been exposed to more of the

>> XP-irradition, I guess.

>>

>>> Also, I don't want to have to keep track of TWO folder dates

>>> (Creation and Modification). I've got enough to keep track of as it

>>> is!

>>

>> Creation would be important for folders only & modification for files.

>> So... it's still the same number of dates you'd have to keep track of.

>

> But I only needed to keep track of Modified date for folders too! After

> all, when a Folder is "created", its Modified date is also date stamped

> then, too. So, no real need (most of the time) for a Creation Date

> column, at least for me, for that reason.

>

>>> Point #2. Hey PCR, if you're ever even considering WinXP, time is

>>> running out. As of June 30, it (for all intents and purposes) ain't

>>> gonna be around anymore (if MS keeps its date).

>>

>> You don't even want to keep track of two dates-- how do you expect me to

>> keep track of two computers?!

>

> LOL. It is a bit challenging at times, I can say. But in all honest,

> I haven't been using the Win98SE one so much now (but still do, on

> occasion).

>

May 29, 2008

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Gary S. Terhune wrote:

> OK, I swear I tested and I tested at least twice, then when questioned,

> I tested again, and did not see any change in a folder's date-modified

> change after adding/subtracting files. But I look now and that is what

> is happening. Blame fatigue, blame distractions, or maybe blame

> something more mysterious. (And, no, PCR, I don't even have Date Created

> showing unless I need it, and then I turn it right back off when I'm

> done with it.) In any case, when you think about it, it makes sense. Why

> repeat the Date Created with Date Modified? Why not have Date Modified,

> for a folder, mean something?

>

> Still, I'm sorry about that foul-up. It's something I probably already

> knew, but that went bye-bye along with a lot of my memory. I meant it

> when I said I'd used the info a lot, just not any time recently. Though

> I'm not clear on why you would need the info at all frequently, I used

> it to sort what amounted to a huge database. I must have been using Date

> Created.

I can provide another data-point that will refute one theory here.

I have the WinXP Home Ed. Bundle and the modification dates of my

folders never change.

My theory has been that it has to do with me using FAT32, and

that the changing mod.-dates are happening under NTFS. But that

theory goes against my prejudices that Bill would stay old-school

and also use FAT32 while you would have been using NTFS ;-/

Can it have been that you converted from FAT32 to NTFS and that

your folder-dates started to change after that?

--

Nah-ah. I'm staying out of this. ... Now, here's my opinion.

May 29, 2008

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"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

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> Good to know you are around. I've had to triple the thickness of my

> tinfoil hat in this WinXP thread-- but still got a few new holes in my

Nah, no you don't have a tinfoil hat PCR (I've seen you mention the tin

foil hat a thousand times over the past year or so) ...but sooner or later

you will have wxp and no hat needed, and you know what, after a short

period of time you will be relieved in many ways.. ..no need to respond or

think forward about it. When the opportunity and/or the funds are there you

will have it and will actually enjoy the multifaced benifits of such.

> head! Before I leave it, can you settle the issue whether the

> Modification Date of an XP folder should change (Bill of Co. with XP

> Home Edition) when a file is added/removed/changed in that folder or

> remain the same (Terhune with Professional Edition)? Can Terhune have

When it first was mentioned the other day I checked mine - not that I had

to because I am Extremely fussy about date stamps being a certain way on

all levels in all categories! My Date Modified column never changes its

date on a folder 'no matter what I do' within that folder.

Now that today Gary revised what he said yesterday saying his actually does

change, you've got me wondering - however if so then it can only be one of

two reasons why mine doesn't. (although if it was like others and my

folder Modified Date stamp did change as you specified, I would uncheck the

Modified Date column and check the Creation Date column in its place, but I

don't need to.

Rick

> been looking at Creation Date, which needs to be added by a tweak, acc.

> to Brian A.?

>

>| Rick

>

> --

> Thanks or Good Luck,

> There may be humor in this post, and,

> Naturally, you will not sue,

> Should things get worse after this,

> PCR

May 29, 2008

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Nope, I always use NTFS for my own NT systems. Now, maybe way back in the

beginning, when I was doing that project... But not recently.

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

"Etal" <look@sig.bcause.this.is.invalid> wrote in message

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> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

>

>> OK, I swear I tested and I tested at least twice, then when questioned, I

>> tested again, and did not see any change in a folder's date-modified

>> change after adding/subtracting files. But I look now and that is what is

>> happening. Blame fatigue, blame distractions, or maybe blame something

>> more mysterious. (And, no, PCR, I don't even have Date Created showing

>> unless I need it, and then I turn it right back off when I'm done with

>> it.) In any case, when you think about it, it makes sense. Why repeat the

>> Date Created with Date Modified? Why not have Date Modified, for a

>> folder, mean something?

>>

>> Still, I'm sorry about that foul-up. It's something I probably already

>> knew, but that went bye-bye along with a lot of my memory. I meant it

>> when I said I'd used the info a lot, just not any time recently. Though

>> I'm not clear on why you would need the info at all frequently, I used it

>> to sort what amounted to a huge database. I must have been using Date

>> Created.

>

> I can provide another data-point that will refute one theory here.

>

> I have the WinXP Home Ed. Bundle and the modification dates of my folders

> never change.

>

> My theory has been that it has to do with me using FAT32, and that the

> changing mod.-dates are happening under NTFS. But that theory goes against

> my prejudices that Bill would stay old-school and also use FAT32 while you

> would have been using NTFS ;-/

>

> Can it have been that you converted from FAT32 to NTFS and that your

> folder-dates started to change after that?

>

> --

> Nah-ah. I'm staying out of this. ... Now, here's my opinion.

May 29, 2008

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"Etal" <look@sig.bcause.this.is.invalid> wrote in message

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[...]

> My theory has been that it has to do with me using FAT32, and

> that the changing mod.-dates are happening under NTFS.

It's not a theory but true.

As you know compared to Win9x, Win2K/XP NTFS format besides a host of other

things, its folder handling structure is different and where I assume the

folder date contrast comes in.

> But that theory goes against my prejudices that Bill would stay

> old-school and also use FAT32 while you would have been using NTFS ;-/

I have my triple boot setup with all three OS's having FAT32 boot

partitions.

In truth over the years there have been a thousand threads in every forum

venue discussing the pro's and con's of one format over the other by

capable professionals in the field.. ..you know in the final analysis each

file system has its valid merits one over the other, and depending on what

the end users needs and desired outcome are - is where the value of each

preference will dictate each valid situations decision.

I can hear the FAT32/NTFS commentaries brewing (well not so much in this

group really) I won't debate the FAT32/NTFS issue with anyone and I've

given my positive yet neutral stance on it, and support both; I like and

use what I do, and so be it.

Rick

> Can it have been that you converted from FAT32 to NTFS and that

> your folder-dates started to change after that?

>

> --

> Nah-ah. I'm staying out of this. ... Now, here's my opinion.

May 29, 2008

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Bill in Co. wrote:

| PCR wrote:

|> Bill in Co. wrote:

|>> PCR wrote:

|>>> Rick Chauvin wrote:

|>>>> Thanks, and same courteous sentiments to you.

|>>>>

|>>>> I always skim read the forums here (as well as the other groups I

|>>>> frequented) I don't have the time luxury to post as much as I use

|>>>> to anymore though, but am always around.

|>>>

|>>> Good to know you are around. I've had to triple the thickness of my

|>>> tinfoil hat in this WinXP thread-- but still got a few new holes in

|>>> my head! Before I leave it, can you settle the issue whether the

|>>> Modification Date of an XP folder should change (Bill of Co. with

|>>> XP Home Edition) when a file is added/removed/changed in that

|>>> folder or remain the same (Terhune with Professional Edition)? Can

|>>> Terhune have been looking at Creation Date, which needs to be

|>>> added by a tweak, acc. to Brian A.?

|>>>

|>>>> Rick

|>>

|>> All I know is what I can tell you - it DOES change the Folder

|>> Modification date.

|>

|> It doesn't seem right that Home would & Professional wouldn't. Could

|> be Terhune has a special setting, was looking at Creation Date, or

|> was dizzy over a 24-hour effort & fix for CdLSRN, I guess.

|

| I don't know. All I *do* know is what happens over here on XP Home.

I see now Terhune has looked a tenth time & discovered his folder

Modified Date will change too. It's praiseworthy of him to have checked

again! Also I see a controversy has arisen over FAT32 & NTFS. I think

I'd better stay out of it!

Sounds like it could make a difference, though, & Chauvin seems certain

it does. THAT would be understandable -- if it were true that the Mod

Date sometimes changes & sometimes doesn't -- DUE TO file system

differences & not to OS version -- MS could be forgiven for that, if one

had a forgiving nature!

For it to be true... I think... you would have to be using FAT32, &

Terhune that tenth time looked at a folder on a FAT32 partition... I

think... maybe.

|>> But then again, as I later noted, I was wondering if that's the way

|>> it should be by design, since someone could (conceivably) argue,

|>> "hey, you made a change inside that folder, so I'm gonna update its

|>> date!". But it doesn't work that way in Win98SE, and I liked it

|>> better that way. :-)

|>

|> Yea, I like it that way too. It says when the package first entered

|> my machine. What you say could be a logical explanation-- BUT why is

|> Terhune seeing it differently? Could be he's been exposed to more of

|> the XP-irradition, I guess.

|>

|>> Also, I don't want to have to keep track of TWO folder dates

|>> (Creation and Modification). I've got enough to keep track of as

|>> it is!

|>

|> Creation would be important for folders only & modification for

|> files. So... it's still the same number of dates you'd have to keep

|> track of.

|

| But I only needed to keep track of Modified date for folders too!

| After all, when a Folder is "created", its Modified date is also date

| stamped then, too. So, no real need (most of the time) for a

| Creation Date column, at least for me, for that reason.

You are stuck in your ways, Colorado! I think, under the same

circumstance, I'd be content to know Creation Date works just fine for

it!

|>> Point #2. Hey PCR, if you're ever even considering WinXP, time is

|>> running out. As of June 30, it (for all intents and purposes)

|>> ain't gonna be around anymore (if MS keeps its date).

|>

|> You don't even want to keep track of two dates-- how do you expect

|> me to keep track of two computers?!

|

| LOL. It is a bit challenging at times, I can say. But in all

| honest, I haven't been using the Win98SE one so much now (but still

| do, on occasion).

Uh-huh. Very likely it wouldn't be long I'd gravitate away from Win98

use too, IF I had XP & IF it worked well. That's what I want to avoid!

--

Thanks or Good Luck,

There may be humor in this post, and,

Naturally, you will not sue,

Should things get worse after this,

PCR

| http://www.grystmill.com

May 30, 2008

Re: Backup software--like GHOST

Re: Backup software--like GHOST

Gary S. Terhune wrote:

| Anyway, my sieve of a brain DOES recall running into what Bill is

| talking about, but I can't recall the circumstances. That simple. It

| struck me as something certain types of workers might like, but

| danged if I can recall the logic behind that thought.

Etal brought up a good point... NTFS vrs. FAT32. It remains to be seen

whether you & Colorado are using the same file system when you have the

same observation on the Mod Date. (You know I am tounge-in-cheek when I

rib you on XP-irradiation & 24-hour weariness & stuff.)

| --

| Gary S. Terhune

| MS-MVP Shell/User

|

| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

| news:%23ADAvZTwIHA.548@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

|> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

|> | In re me, the answer is, "No." You think I didn't quadruple-check?

|>

|> It just seems odd, is all. And I do know you've been extremely busy

|> lately with a 24-hour fix effort for CdLSRN. Good work on that,

|> though.

|>

|> | --

|> | Gary S. Terhune

|> | MS-MVP Shell/User

|> | http://www.grystmill.com

|> |

|> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

|> | news:eqUvx0SwIHA.1236@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

|> |> Rick Chauvin wrote:

|> |> | Thanks, and same courteous sentiments to you.

|> |> |

|> |> | I always skim read the forums here (as well as the other groups

|> |> | I frequented) I don't have the time luxury to post as much as I

|> |> | use to anymore though, but am always around.

|> |>

|> |> Good to know you are around. I've had to triple the thickness of

|> |> my tinfoil hat in this WinXP thread-- but still got a few new

|> |> holes in my head! Before I leave it, can you settle the issue

|> |> whether the Modification Date of an XP folder should change (Bill

|> |> of Co. with XP Home Edition) when a file is added/removed/changed

|> |> in that folder or remain the same (Terhune with Professional

|> |> Edition)? Can Terhune have been looking at Creation Date, which

|> |> needs to be added by a tweak, acc. to Brian A.?

|> |>

|> |> | Rick

|> |>

|> |> --

|> |> Thanks or Good Luck,

|> |> There may be humor in this post, and,

|> |> Naturally, you will not sue,

|> |> Should things get worse after this,

|> |> PCR

|> |> pcrrcp@netzero.net

|>

|> --

|> Thanks or Good Luck,

|> There may be humor in this post, and,

|> Naturally, you will not sue,

|> Should things get worse after this,

|> PCR

--

Thanks or Good Luck,

There may be humor in this post, and,

Naturally, you will not sue,

Should things get worse after this,

PCR

May 30, 2008

Re: Backup software--like GHOST

Re: Backup software--like GHOST

Rick Chauvin wrote:

| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

| news:eqUvx0SwIHA.1236@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl

|

|> Good to know you are around. I've had to triple the thickness of my

|> tinfoil hat in this WinXP thread-- but still got a few new holes in

|> my

|

| Nah, no you don't have a tinfoil hat PCR (I've seen you mention the

| tin foil hat a thousand times over the past year or so) ...but sooner

| or later you will have wxp and no hat needed, and you know what,

| after a short period of time you will be relieved in many ways.. ..no

| need to respond or think forward about it. When the opportunity

| and/or the funds are there you will have it and will actually enjoy

| the multifaced benifits of such.

Yea. Most of that is ribbing-- BUT I really have no intention to upgrade

until absolutely necessary, if ever!

|> head! Before I leave it, can you settle the issue whether the

|> Modification Date of an XP folder should change (Bill of Co. with XP

|> Home Edition) when a file is added/removed/changed in that folder or

|> remain the same (Terhune with Professional Edition)? Can Terhune have

|

| When it first was mentioned the other day I checked mine - not that I

| had to because I am Extremely fussy about date stamps being a certain

| way on all levels in all categories! My Date Modified column never

| changes its date on a folder 'no matter what I do' within that folder.

|

| Now that today Gary revised what he said yesterday saying his

| actually does change, you've got me wondering - however if so then it

| can only be one of two reasons why mine doesn't. (although if it was

| like others and my folder Modified Date stamp did change as you

| specified, I would uncheck the Modified Date column and check the

| Creation Date column in its place, but I don't need to.

Interesting. I thought I saw you agree with Etal that it was a FAT32

vrs. NTFS issue? Oops-- this post of yours predates the one to Etal by

1.5 hours. So... that is it, then... it's a file system difference. And

since you are FAT32, Colorado must have been using NTFS. Something like

that? Visa versa?

| Rick

|

|> been looking at Creation Date, which needs to be added by a tweak,

|> acc. to Brian A.?

|>

|>| Rick

|>

|> --

|> Thanks or Good Luck,

|> There may be humor in this post, and,

|> Naturally, you will not sue,

|> Should things get worse after this,

|> PCR

--

Thanks or Good Luck,

There may be humor in this post, and,

Naturally, you will not sue,

Should things get worse after this,

PCR

May 30, 2008

Re: Backup software--like GHOST

Re: Backup software--like GHOST

I'm using NTFS for WinXP (for my system partition), and that's the one I'm

talking about. (I also have some FAT32 partitions on the drive for other

stuff, however).

PCR wrote:

> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

>> Anyway, my sieve of a brain DOES recall running into what Bill is

>> talking about, but I can't recall the circumstances. That simple. It

>> struck me as something certain types of workers might like, but

>> danged if I can recall the logic behind that thought.

>

> Etal brought up a good point... NTFS vrs. FAT32. It remains to be seen

> whether you & Colorado are using the same file system when you have the

> same observation on the Mod Date. (You know I am tounge-in-cheek when I

> rib you on XP-irradiation & 24-hour weariness & stuff.)

>

>> --

>> Gary S. Terhune

>> MS-MVP Shell/User

>> http://www.grystmill.com

>>

>> "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

>> news:%23ADAvZTwIHA.548@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

>>>> In re me, the answer is, "No." You think I didn't quadruple-check?

>>>

>>> It just seems odd, is all. And I do know you've been extremely busy

>>> lately with a 24-hour fix effort for CdLSRN. Good work on that,

>>> though.

>>>

>>>> --

>>>> Gary S. Terhune

>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User

>>>> http://www.grystmill.com

>>>>

>>>> "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

>>>> news:eqUvx0SwIHA.1236@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>>>> Rick Chauvin wrote:

>>>>>> Thanks, and same courteous sentiments to you.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I always skim read the forums here (as well as the other groups

>>>>>> I frequented) I don't have the time luxury to post as much as I

>>>>>> use to anymore though, but am always around.

>>>>>

>>>>> Good to know you are around. I've had to triple the thickness of

>>>>> my tinfoil hat in this WinXP thread-- but still got a few new

>>>>> holes in my head! Before I leave it, can you settle the issue

>>>>> whether the Modification Date of an XP folder should change (Bill

>>>>> of Co. with XP Home Edition) when a file is added/removed/changed

>>>>> in that folder or remain the same (Terhune with Professional

>>>>> Edition)? Can Terhune have been looking at Creation Date, which

>>>>> needs to be added by a tweak, acc. to Brian A.?

>>>>>

>>>>>> Rick

>>>>>

>>>>> --

>>>>> Thanks or Good Luck,

>>>>> There may be humor in this post, and,

>>>>> Naturally, you will not sue,

>>>>> Should things get worse after this,

>>>>> PCR

>>>

>>> --

>>> Thanks or Good Luck,

>>> There may be humor in this post, and,

>>> Naturally, you will not sue,

>>> Should things get worse after this,

>>> PCR

>

> --

> Thanks or Good Luck,

> There may be humor in this post, and,

> Naturally, you will not sue,

> Should things get worse after this,

> PCR

May 30, 2008

Re: Backup software--like GHOST

Re: Backup software--like GHOST

Bill in Co. wrote:

| I'm using NTFS for WinXP (for my system partition), and that's the

| one I'm talking about. (I also have some FAT32 partitions on the

| drive for other stuff, however).

And what about the FAT32 partition? Does that behave the same as in

Win98 with that Mod date? If so... congratulations to Etal & Chauvin for

figuring it... though your only cure will be to shape-shift your NTFS

into a FAT32-- or learn to live with it! Put your head inside the box

for a triple dose of the irradiation-- & you may forget the problem

entirely! :-).

| PCR wrote:

|> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

|>> Anyway, my sieve of a brain DOES recall running into what Bill is

|>> talking about, but I can't recall the circumstances. That simple. It

|>> struck me as something certain types of workers might like, but

|>> danged if I can recall the logic behind that thought.

|>

|> Etal brought up a good point... NTFS vrs. FAT32. It remains to be

|> seen whether you & Colorado are using the same file system when you

|> have the same observation on the Mod Date. (You know I am

|> tounge-in-cheek when I rib you on XP-irradiation & 24-hour weariness

|> & stuff.)

|>

|>> --

|>> Gary S. Terhune

|>> MS-MVP Shell/User

|>> http://www.grystmill.com

|>>

|>> "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

|>> news:%23ADAvZTwIHA.548@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

|>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

|>>>> In re me, the answer is, "No." You think I didn't quadruple-check?

|>>>

|>>> It just seems odd, is all. And I do know you've been extremely busy

|>>> lately with a 24-hour fix effort for CdLSRN. Good work on that,

|>>> though.

|>>>

|>>>> --

|>>>> Gary S. Terhune

|>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User

|>>>> http://www.grystmill.com

|>>>>

|>>>> "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

|>>>> news:eqUvx0SwIHA.1236@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

|>>>>> Rick Chauvin wrote:

|>>>>>> Thanks, and same courteous sentiments to you.

|>>>>>>

|>>>>>> I always skim read the forums here (as well as the other groups

|>>>>>> I frequented) I don't have the time luxury to post as much as I

|>>>>>> use to anymore though, but am always around.

|>>>>>

|>>>>> Good to know you are around. I've had to triple the thickness of

|>>>>> my tinfoil hat in this WinXP thread-- but still got a few new

|>>>>> holes in my head! Before I leave it, can you settle the issue

|>>>>> whether the Modification Date of an XP folder should change (Bill

|>>>>> of Co. with XP Home Edition) when a file is added/removed/changed

|>>>>> in that folder or remain the same (Terhune with Professional

|>>>>> Edition)? Can Terhune have been looking at Creation Date, which

|>>>>> needs to be added by a tweak, acc. to Brian A.?

|>>>>>

|>>>>>> Rick

|>>>>>

|>>>>> --

|>>>>> Thanks or Good Luck,

|>>>>> There may be humor in this post, and,

|>>>>> Naturally, you will not sue,

|>>>>> Should things get worse after this,

|>>>>> PCR

|>>>>> pcrrcp@netzero.net

|>>>

|>>> --

|>>> Thanks or Good Luck,

|>>> There may be humor in this post, and,

|>>> Naturally, you will not sue,

|>>> Should things get worse after this,

|>>> PCR

|>>> pcrrcp@netzero.net

|>

|> --

|> Thanks or Good Luck,

|> There may be humor in this post, and,

|> Naturally, you will not sue,

|> Should things get worse after this,

|> PCR

--

Thanks or Good Luck,

There may be humor in this post, and,

Naturally, you will not sue,

Should things get worse after this,

PCR

May 31, 2008

Re: Backup software--like GHOST

Re: Backup software--like GHOST

PCR wrote:

> Bill in Co. wrote:

>> I'm using NTFS for WinXP (for my system partition), and that's the

>> one I'm talking about. (I also have some FAT32 partitions on the

>> drive for other stuff, however).

>

> And what about the FAT32 partition? Does that behave the same as in

> Win98 with that Mod date?

Yes. The folder's "Date Modified" date does NOT change.

> If so... congratulations to Etal & Chauvin for

> figuring it... though your only cure will be to shape-shift your NTFS

> into a FAT32..

Ummm. Not a good idea (for Windows XP).

I'll have to learn to live with it. :-)

> .. or learn to live with it! Put your head inside the box

> for a triple dose of the irradiation-- & you may forget the problem

> entirely! :-).

>

>> PCR wrote:

>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

>>>> Anyway, my sieve of a brain DOES recall running into what Bill is

>>>> talking about, but I can't recall the circumstances. That simple. It

>>>> struck me as something certain types of workers might like, but

>>>> danged if I can recall the logic behind that thought.

>>>

>>> Etal brought up a good point... NTFS vrs. FAT32. It remains to be

>>> seen whether you & Colorado are using the same file system when you

>>> have the same observation on the Mod Date. (You know I am

>>> tounge-in-cheek when I rib you on XP-irradiation & 24-hour weariness

>>> & stuff.)

>>>

>>>> --

>>>> Gary S. Terhune

>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User

>>>> http://www.grystmill.com

>>>>

>>>> "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

>>>> news:%23ADAvZTwIHA.548@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

>>>>>> In re me, the answer is, "No." You think I didn't quadruple-check?

>>>>>

>>>>> It just seems odd, is all. And I do know you've been extremely busy

>>>>> lately with a 24-hour fix effort for CdLSRN. Good work on that,

>>>>> though.

>>>>>

>>>>>> --

>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune

>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User

>>>>>> http://www.grystmill.com

>>>>>>

>>>>>> "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

>>>>>> news:eqUvx0SwIHA.1236@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>>>>>> Rick Chauvin wrote:

>>>>>>>> Thanks, and same courteous sentiments to you.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> I always skim read the forums here (as well as the other groups

>>>>>>>> I frequented) I don't have the time luxury to post as much as I

>>>>>>>> use to anymore though, but am always around.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Good to know you are around. I've had to triple the thickness of

>>>>>>> my tinfoil hat in this WinXP thread-- but still got a few new

>>>>>>> holes in my head! Before I leave it, can you settle the issue

>>>>>>> whether the Modification Date of an XP folder should change (Bill

>>>>>>> of Co. with XP Home Edition) when a file is added/removed/changed

>>>>>>> in that folder or remain the same (Terhune with Professional

>>>>>>> Edition)? Can Terhune have been looking at Creation Date, which

>>>>>>> needs to be added by a tweak, acc. to Brian A.?

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Rick

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> --

>>>>>>> Thanks or Good Luck,

>>>>>>> There may be humor in this post, and,

>>>>>>> Naturally, you will not sue,

>>>>>>> Should things get worse after this,

>>>>>>> PCR

>>>>>>> pcrrcp@netzero.net

>>>>>

>>>>> --

>>>>> Thanks or Good Luck,

>>>>> There may be humor in this post, and,

>>>>> Naturally, you will not sue,

>>>>> Should things get worse after this,

>>>>> PCR

>>>

>>> --

>>> Thanks or Good Luck,

>>> There may be humor in this post, and,

>>> Naturally, you will not sue,

>>> Should things get worse after this,

>>> PCR

>

> --

> Thanks or Good Luck,

> There may be humor in this post, and,

> Naturally, you will not sue,

> Should things get worse after this,

> PCR

June 1, 2008

Re: Backup software--like GHOST

Re: Backup software--like GHOST

Bill in Co. wrote:

| PCR wrote:

|> Bill in Co. wrote:

|>> I'm using NTFS for WinXP (for my system partition), and that's the

|>> one I'm talking about. (I also have some FAT32 partitions on the

|>> drive for other stuff, however).

|>

|> And what about the FAT32 partition? Does that behave the same as in

|> Win98 with that Mod date?

|

| Yes. The folder's "Date Modified" date does NOT change.

Ah! That's it, then! They were right! Very good.

|> If so... congratulations to Etal & Chauvin for

|> figuring it... though your only cure will be to shape-shift your NTFS

|> into a FAT32..

|

| Ummm. Not a good idea (for Windows XP).

| I'll have to learn to live with it. :-)

Yea. OK. It's been good, really, to hear your complaints about XP-- very

instructive.

|> .. or learn to live with it! Put your head inside the box

|> for a triple dose of the irradiation-- & you may forget the problem

|> entirely! :-).

|>

|>> PCR wrote:

|>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

|>>>> Anyway, my sieve of a brain DOES recall running into what Bill is

|>>>> talking about, but I can't recall the circumstances. That simple.

|>>>> It struck me as something certain types of workers might like, but

|>>>> danged if I can recall the logic behind that thought.

|>>>

|>>> Etal brought up a good point... NTFS vrs. FAT32. It remains to be

|>>> seen whether you & Colorado are using the same file system when you

|>>> have the same observation on the Mod Date. (You know I am

|>>> tounge-in-cheek when I rib you on XP-irradiation & 24-hour

|>>> weariness & stuff.)

|>>>

|>>>> --

|>>>> Gary S. Terhune

|>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User

|>>>> http://www.grystmill.com

|>>>>

|>>>> "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

|>>>> news:%23ADAvZTwIHA.548@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

|>>>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

|>>>>>> In re me, the answer is, "No." You think I didn't

|>>>>>> quadruple-check?

|>>>>>

|>>>>> It just seems odd, is all. And I do know you've been extremely

|>>>>> busy lately with a 24-hour fix effort for CdLSRN. Good work on

|>>>>> that, though.

|>>>>>

|>>>>>> --

|>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune

|>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User

|>>>>>> http://www.grystmill.com

|>>>>>>

|>>>>>> "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

|>>>>>> news:eqUvx0SwIHA.1236@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

|>>>>>>> Rick Chauvin wrote:

|>>>>>>>> Thanks, and same courteous sentiments to you.

|>>>>>>>>

|>>>>>>>> I always skim read the forums here (as well as the other

|>>>>>>>> groups I frequented) I don't have the time luxury to post as

|>>>>>>>> much as I use to anymore though, but am always around.

|>>>>>>>

|>>>>>>> Good to know you are around. I've had to triple the thickness

|>>>>>>> of my tinfoil hat in this WinXP thread-- but still got a few

|>>>>>>> new holes in my head! Before I leave it, can you settle the

|>>>>>>> issue whether the Modification Date of an XP folder should

|>>>>>>> change (Bill of Co. with XP Home Edition) when a file is

|>>>>>>> added/removed/changed in that folder or remain the same

|>>>>>>> (Terhune with Professional Edition)? Can Terhune have been

|>>>>>>> looking at Creation Date, which needs to be added by a tweak,

|>>>>>>> acc. to Brian A.?

|>>>>>>>

|>>>>>>>> Rick

|>>>>>>>

|>>>>>>> --

|>>>>>>> Thanks or Good Luck,

|>>>>>>> There may be humor in this post, and,

|>>>>>>> Naturally, you will not sue,

|>>>>>>> Should things get worse after this,

|>>>>>>> PCR

|>>>>>>> pcrrcp@netzero.net

|>>>>>

|>>>>> --

|>>>>> Thanks or Good Luck,

|>>>>> There may be humor in this post, and,

|>>>>> Naturally, you will not sue,

|>>>>> Should things get worse after this,

|>>>>> PCR

|>>>>> pcrrcp@netzero.net

|>>>

|>>> --

|>>> Thanks or Good Luck,

|>>> There may be humor in this post, and,

|>>> Naturally, you will not sue,

|>>> Should things get worse after this,

|>>> PCR

|>>> pcrrcp@netzero.net

|>

|> --

|> Thanks or Good Luck,

|> There may be humor in this post, and,

|> Naturally, you will not sue,

|> Should things get worse after this,

|> PCR

--

Thanks or Good Luck,

There may be humor in this post, and,

Naturally, you will not sue,

Should things get worse after this,

PCR

June 1, 2008

Re: Backup software--like GHOST

Re: Backup software--like GHOST

PCR wrote:

> Bill in Co. wrote:

>> PCR wrote:

>>> Bill in Co. wrote:

>>>> I'm using NTFS for WinXP (for my system partition), and that's the

>>>> one I'm talking about. (I also have some FAT32 partitions on the

>>>> drive for other stuff, however).

>>>

>>> And what about the FAT32 partition? Does that behave the same as in

>>> Win98 with that Mod date?

>>

>> Yes. The folder's "Date Modified" date does NOT change.

>

> Ah! That's it, then! They were right! Very good.

>

>>> If so... congratulations to Etal & Chauvin for

>>> figuring it... though your only cure will be to shape-shift your NTFS

>>> into a FAT32..

>>

>> Ummm. Not a good idea (for Windows XP).

>> I'll have to learn to live with it. :-)

>

> Yea. OK. It's been good, really, to hear your complaints about XP-- very

> instructive.

Well, on the whole though, I'm pretty satisfied with WinXP. I just have a

few, relatively minor issues with it, that's all. (frankly, most of them

aren't earth shaking).

What I really DO appreciate about Win XP is its *robustness* (much more so

than Win98SE - in part due to using NTFS) - AND its capability of running

some programs that I couldn't run on 98SE.

I think I've already said I haven't got a blue screen yet, and that's with

my normal messin around (which usually brought me some, in 98SE :-)

And the built-in, NTFS, transaction-log-based, file recovery methodology is

nice, too (so if something goes wrong while writing some files on the disk,

it's often possible to recover from that).

And of course, there are no limitations anymore with the good ole, 64K,

resource heap problem in Win9x. Now THAT is nice. :-)

And of course the nice built in USB (and USB2) support, which was "just a

bit lacking" in Win98SE.

I think after XP dies (if and when it does for me), it's maybe time to move

to something else, maybe something like Linux. :-) I've about had it

with MS bloatware. I think XP may be my last ride with MS for the

operating system :-)

>>> .. or learn to live with it! Put your head inside the box

>>> for a triple dose of the irradiation-- & you may forget the problem

>>> entirely! :-).

>>>

>>>> PCR wrote:

>>>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

>>>>>> Anyway, my sieve of a brain DOES recall running into what Bill is

>>>>>> talking about, but I can't recall the circumstances. That simple.

>>>>>> It struck me as something certain types of workers might like, but

>>>>>> danged if I can recall the logic behind that thought.

>>>>>

>>>>> Etal brought up a good point... NTFS vrs. FAT32. It remains to be

>>>>> seen whether you & Colorado are using the same file system when you

>>>>> have the same observation on the Mod Date. (You know I am

>>>>> tounge-in-cheek when I rib you on XP-irradiation & 24-hour

>>>>> weariness & stuff.)

>>>>>

>>>>>> --

>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune

>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User

>>>>>> http://www.grystmill.com

>>>>>>

>>>>>> "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

>>>>>> news:%23ADAvZTwIHA.548@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

>>>>>>>> In re me, the answer is, "No." You think I didn't

>>>>>>>> quadruple-check?

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> It just seems odd, is all. And I do know you've been extremely

>>>>>>> busy lately with a 24-hour fix effort for CdLSRN. Good work on

>>>>>>> that, though.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> --

>>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune

>>>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User

>>>>>>>> http://www.grystmill.com

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

>>>>>>>> news:eqUvx0SwIHA.1236@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>>>>>>>> Rick Chauvin wrote:

>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, and same courteous sentiments to you.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> I always skim read the forums here (as well as the other

>>>>>>>>>> groups I frequented) I don't have the time luxury to post as

>>>>>>>>>> much as I use to anymore though, but am always around.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Good to know you are around. I've had to triple the thickness

>>>>>>>>> of my tinfoil hat in this WinXP thread-- but still got a few

>>>>>>>>> new holes in my head! Before I leave it, can you settle the

>>>>>>>>> issue whether the Modification Date of an XP folder should

>>>>>>>>> change (Bill of Co. with XP Home Edition) when a file is

>>>>>>>>> added/removed/changed in that folder or remain the same

>>>>>>>>> (Terhune with Professional Edition)? Can Terhune have been

>>>>>>>>> looking at Creation Date, which needs to be added by a tweak,

>>>>>>>>> acc. to Brian A.?

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Rick

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> --

>>>>>>>>> Thanks or Good Luck,

>>>>>>>>> There may be humor in this post, and,

>>>>>>>>> Naturally, you will not sue,

>>>>>>>>> Should things get worse after this,

>>>>>>>>> PCR

>>>>>>>>> pcrrcp@netzero.net

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> --

>>>>>>> Thanks or Good Luck,

>>>>>>> There may be humor in this post, and,

>>>>>>> Naturally, you will not sue,

>>>>>>> Should things get worse after this,

>>>>>>> PCR

>>>>>>> pcrrcp@netzero.net

>>>>>

>>>>> --

>>>>> Thanks or Good Luck,

>>>>> There may be humor in this post, and,

>>>>> Naturally, you will not sue,

>>>>> Should things get worse after this,

>>>>> PCR

>>>

>>> --

>>> Thanks or Good Luck,

>>> There may be humor in this post, and,

>>> Naturally, you will not sue,

>>> Should things get worse after this,

>>> PCR

>

> --

> Thanks or Good Luck,

> There may be humor in this post, and,

> Naturally, you will not sue,

> Should things get worse after this,

> PCR

June 1, 2008

Re: Backup software--like GHOST

Re: Backup software--like GHOST

Bill in Co. wrote:

| PCR wrote:

|> Bill in Co. wrote:

|>> PCR wrote:

|>>> Bill in Co. wrote:

|>>>> I'm using NTFS for WinXP (for my system partition), and that's the

|>>>> one I'm talking about. (I also have some FAT32 partitions on

|>>>> the drive for other stuff, however).

|>>>

|>>> And what about the FAT32 partition? Does that behave the same as in

|>>> Win98 with that Mod date?

|>>

|>> Yes. The folder's "Date Modified" date does NOT change.

|>

|> Ah! That's it, then! They were right! Very good.

|>

|>>> If so... congratulations to Etal & Chauvin for

|>>> figuring it... though your only cure will be to shape-shift your

|>>> NTFS into a FAT32..

|>>

|>> Ummm. Not a good idea (for Windows XP).

|>> I'll have to learn to live with it. :-)

|>

|> Yea. OK. It's been good, really, to hear your complaints about

|> XP-- very instructive.

|

| Well, on the whole though, I'm pretty satisfied with WinXP. I just

| have a few, relatively minor issues with it, that's all. (frankly,

| most of them aren't earth shaking).

Well, the ones you mentioned, anyway, seemed more like pet peeves--

except perhaps the file search requestor which wasn't finding all files.

However, looks like that was mostly resolved too with a shortcut.

| What I really DO appreciate about Win XP is its *robustness* (much

| more so than Win98SE - in part due to using NTFS) - AND its

| capability of running some programs that I couldn't run on 98SE.

|

| I think I've already said I haven't got a blue screen yet, and that's

| with my normal messin around (which usually brought me some, in 98SE

Alright-- but Terhune did say you hadn't tried hard enough yet to crash

it! Also, I see a new XP thread here where Livingston has warned against

XP SP3! (I know you don't go for those critical updates-- just as you

hardly ever did in Win98.)

A truly unrecoverable crash in my Win98 is covered by my full system

backup, (which I've resorted to some few times already, but nothing any

too recent. It was more frequent early on, when I didn't how to fix

anything otherwise.)

| :-)

:-).

| And the built-in, NTFS, transaction-log-based, file recovery

| methodology is nice, too (so if something goes wrong while writing

| some files on the disk, it's often possible to recover from that).

Is that like SFC? What does the process involve?

| And of course, there are no limitations anymore with the good ole,

| 64K, resource heap problem in Win9x. Now THAT is nice. :-)

OK. That problem doesn't show up for me, though, in normal, everyday use

of Win98. I think it is involved with the ole "copy of tons of files or

tons of folders full of folders & files" thing after installing IE6--

but I only ever did that for testing purposes!

| And of course the nice built in USB (and USB2) support, which was

| "just a bit lacking" in Win98SE.

I have 2 or 3 USB connectors, but have never plugged anything into them.

| I think after XP dies (if and when it does for me), it's maybe time

| to move to something else, maybe something like Linux. :-)

| I've about had it with MS bloatware. I think XP may be my last

| ride with MS for the operating system :-)

I probably will say the same, if I ever do get to XP myself.

|>>> .. or learn to live with it! Put your head inside the box

|>>> for a triple dose of the irradiation-- & you may forget the problem

|>>> entirely! :-).

|>>>

|>>>> PCR wrote:

|>>>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

|>>>>>> Anyway, my sieve of a brain DOES recall running into what Bill

|>>>>>> is talking about, but I can't recall the circumstances. That

|>>>>>> simple. It struck me as something certain types of workers

|>>>>>> might like, but danged if I can recall the logic behind that

|>>>>>> thought.

|>>>>>

|>>>>> Etal brought up a good point... NTFS vrs. FAT32. It remains to be

|>>>>> seen whether you & Colorado are using the same file system when

|>>>>> you have the same observation on the Mod Date. (You know I am

|>>>>> tounge-in-cheek when I rib you on XP-irradiation & 24-hour

|>>>>> weariness & stuff.)

|>>>>>

|>>>>>> --

|>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune

|>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User

|>>>>>> http://www.grystmill.com

|>>>>>>

|>>>>>> "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

|>>>>>> news:%23ADAvZTwIHA.548@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

|>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

|>>>>>>>> In re me, the answer is, "No." You think I didn't

|>>>>>>>> quadruple-check?

|>>>>>>>

|>>>>>>> It just seems odd, is all. And I do know you've been extremely

|>>>>>>> busy lately with a 24-hour fix effort for CdLSRN. Good work on

|>>>>>>> that, though.

|>>>>>>>

|>>>>>>>> --

|>>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune

|>>>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User

|>>>>>>>> http://www.grystmill.com

|>>>>>>>>

|>>>>>>>> "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

|>>>>>>>> news:eqUvx0SwIHA.1236@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

|>>>>>>>>> Rick Chauvin wrote:

|>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, and same courteous sentiments to you.

|>>>>>>>>>>

|>>>>>>>>>> I always skim read the forums here (as well as the other

|>>>>>>>>>> groups I frequented) I don't have the time luxury to post as

|>>>>>>>>>> much as I use to anymore though, but am always around.

|>>>>>>>>>

|>>>>>>>>> Good to know you are around. I've had to triple the thickness

|>>>>>>>>> of my tinfoil hat in this WinXP thread-- but still got a few

|>>>>>>>>> new holes in my head! Before I leave it, can you settle the

|>>>>>>>>> issue whether the Modification Date of an XP folder should

|>>>>>>>>> change (Bill of Co. with XP Home Edition) when a file is

|>>>>>>>>> added/removed/changed in that folder or remain the same

|>>>>>>>>> (Terhune with Professional Edition)? Can Terhune have been

|>>>>>>>>> looking at Creation Date, which needs to be added by a tweak,

|>>>>>>>>> acc. to Brian A.?

|>>>>>>>>>

|>>>>>>>>>> Rick

|>>>>>>>>>

|>>>>>>>>> --

|>>>>>>>>> Thanks or Good Luck,

|>>>>>>>>> There may be humor in this post, and,

|>>>>>>>>> Naturally, you will not sue,

|>>>>>>>>> Should things get worse after this,

|>>>>>>>>> PCR

|>>>>>>>>> pcrrcp@netzero.net

|>>>>>>>

|>>>>>>> --

|>>>>>>> Thanks or Good Luck,

|>>>>>>> There may be humor in this post, and,

|>>>>>>> Naturally, you will not sue,

|>>>>>>> Should things get worse after this,

|>>>>>>> PCR

|>>>>>>> pcrrcp@netzero.net

|>>>>>

|>>>>> --

|>>>>> Thanks or Good Luck,

|>>>>> There may be humor in this post, and,

|>>>>> Naturally, you will not sue,

|>>>>> Should things get worse after this,

|>>>>> PCR

|>>>>> pcrrcp@netzero.net

|>>>

|>>> --

|>>> Thanks or Good Luck,

|>>> There may be humor in this post, and,

|>>> Naturally, you will not sue,

|>>> Should things get worse after this,

|>>> PCR

|>>> pcrrcp@netzero.net

|>

|> --

|> Thanks or Good Luck,

|> There may be humor in this post, and,

|> Naturally, you will not sue,

|> Should things get worse after this,

|> PCR

--

Thanks or Good Luck,

There may be humor in this post, and,

Naturally, you will not sue,

Should things get worse after this,

PCR

June 1, 2008

Re: Backup software--like GHOST

Re: Backup software--like GHOST

PCR wrote:

> Bill in Co. wrote:

>> PCR wrote:

>>> Bill in Co. wrote:

>>>> PCR wrote:

>>>>> Bill in Co. wrote:

>>>>>> I'm using NTFS for WinXP (for my system partition), and that's the

>>>>>> one I'm talking about. (I also have some FAT32 partitions on

>>>>>> the drive for other stuff, however).

>>>>>

>>>>> And what about the FAT32 partition? Does that behave the same as in

>>>>> Win98 with that Mod date?

>>>>

>>>> Yes. The folder's "Date Modified" date does NOT change.

>>>

>>> Ah! That's it, then! They were right! Very good.

>>>

>>>>> If so... congratulations to Etal & Chauvin for

>>>>> figuring it... though your only cure will be to shape-shift your

>>>>> NTFS into a FAT32..

>>>>

>>>> Ummm. Not a good idea (for Windows XP).

>>>> I'll have to learn to live with it. :-)

>>>

>>> Yea. OK. It's been good, really, to hear your complaints about

>>> XP-- very instructive.

>>

>> Well, on the whole though, I'm pretty satisfied with WinXP. I just

>> have a few, relatively minor issues with it, that's all. (frankly,

>> most of them aren't earth shaking).

>

> Well, the ones you mentioned, anyway, seemed more like pet peeves--

> except perhaps the file search requestor which wasn't finding all files.

> However, looks like that was mostly resolved too with a shortcut.

Or a good alternative third party utility like Agent Ransack or File Locator

Pro (which is even better, and is big brother to Agent Ransack). It's

useful to have this program (even on the Win98SE machine).

>> What I really DO appreciate about Win XP is its *robustness* (much

>> more so than Win98SE - in part due to using NTFS) - AND its

>> capability of running some programs that I couldn't run on 98SE.

>>

>> I think I've already said I haven't got a blue screen yet, and that's

>> with my normal messin around (which usually brought me some, in 98SE

>

> Alright-- but Terhune did say you hadn't tried hard enough yet to crash

> it!

Apparently not! :-)

> Also, I see a new XP thread here where Livingston has warned against

> XP SP3!

That's never going in over here.

> (I know you don't go for those critical updates-- just as you

> hardly ever did in Win98.)

Yup, you got that right. (been around the block too many times on that

one).

> A truly unrecoverable crash in my Win98 is covered by my full system

> backup, (which I've resorted to some few times already, but nothing any

> too recent. It was more frequent early on, when I didn't how to fix

> anything otherwise.)

>

>> :-)

Yup. I routinely do a full system backup to my external USB HD enclosure,

and it takes me about 15-20 minutes to backup the existing 20 GB or so of

system files, programs, and user data. (I have a 40 GB partition for the

C: drive on Win XP - I think that's an ideal size for XP).

>> And the built-in, NTFS, transaction-log-based, file recovery

>> methodology is nice, too (so if something goes wrong while writing

>> some files on the disk, it's often possible to recover from that).

>

> Is that like SFC? What does the process involve?

There is a so-called "transaction log" written out (as I understand it) for

every file operation in NTFS, so that if anything goes wrong or is

incomplete in the disk writes, WinXP (using NTFS) can recover from it,

unlike in Win98SE and FAT32. For example, if something isn't successfully

and completely written out to the hard disk, a flag is set indicating such,

so that it can be, next time (or something to that effect). Which makes it

much more robust! (not saying it's 100% foolproof, nothing probably is)

>> And of course, there are no limitations anymore with the good ole,

>> 64K, resource heap problem in Win9x. Now THAT is nice. :-)

>

> OK. That problem doesn't show up for me, though, in normal, everyday use

> of Win98. I think it is involved with the ole "copy of tons of files or

> tons of folders full of folders & files" thing after installing IE6--

> but I only ever did that for testing purposes!

No, those were two entirely different and unrelated issues.

The resource heap limitation happened if either you had too many apps

running at one time, or had a program that was errant in its handling of the

GDI, System, or User resource heaps (and some did, but they were the

exception, fortunately, and usually got fixed in later versions, unless the

developer moved on and stopped supporting it - that happened on occasion).

The copying or deleting of a large number of files problem in Win98SE (with

IE6+) was linked to the browseui and browselc DLL files changes (from IE5.5

to IE 6+), so I simply retained the IE 5.5 versions of those two DLLs, which

allowed Windows Explorer to *work as it should*, and NOT get hung up! (I

think another "fix" was with another DLL, instead, as an alternative method,

but this one always worked for me, so I left it that way.

>> And of course the nice built in USB (and USB2) support, which was

>> "just a bit lacking" in Win98SE.

>

> I have 2 or 3 USB connectors, but have never plugged anything into them.

There is SO much out there (peripherals) that is now USB based! Even the

printers! (Try to find a printer (or even computer) with a parallel port,

anymore!)

Well, I have to admit, the USB cable to my new printer is MUCH nicer now,

than that old bulky parallel port cable connecting the old printer to the

parallel port. But if you ever get a new printer (likely USB based),

there is a way to use it with Win98SE, IF they supply the right drivers -

otherwise you're screwed.

>> I think after XP dies (if and when it does for me), it's maybe time

>> to move to something else, maybe something like Linux. :-)

>> I've about had it with MS bloatware. I think XP may be my last

>> ride with MS for the operating system :-)

>

> I probably will say the same, if I ever do get to XP myself.

If you're even considering Win XP, time is running out. Like the end of

this month? (unless MS extends it). (Vista is not allowed on my

premises. I have a sign out saying "Access Denied", for it. :-)

>>>>> .. or learn to live with it! Put your head inside the box

>>>>> for a triple dose of the irradiation-- & you may forget the problem

>>>>> entirely! :-).

>>>>>

>>>>>> PCR wrote:

>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

>>>>>>>> Anyway, my sieve of a brain DOES recall running into what Bill

>>>>>>>> is talking about, but I can't recall the circumstances. That

>>>>>>>> simple. It struck me as something certain types of workers

>>>>>>>> might like, but danged if I can recall the logic behind that

>>>>>>>> thought.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Etal brought up a good point... NTFS vrs. FAT32. It remains to be

>>>>>>> seen whether you & Colorado are using the same file system when

>>>>>>> you have the same observation on the Mod Date. (You know I am

>>>>>>> tounge-in-cheek when I rib you on XP-irradiation & 24-hour

>>>>>>> weariness & stuff.)

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> --

>>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune

>>>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User

>>>>>>>> http://www.grystmill.com

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

>>>>>>>> news:%23ADAvZTwIHA.548@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

>>>>>>>>>> In re me, the answer is, "No." You think I didn't

>>>>>>>>>> quadruple-check?

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> It just seems odd, is all. And I do know you've been extremely

>>>>>>>>> busy lately with a 24-hour fix effort for CdLSRN. Good work on

>>>>>>>>> that, though.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> --

>>>>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune

>>>>>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User

>>>>>>>>>> http://www.grystmill.com

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

>>>>>>>>>> news:eqUvx0SwIHA.1236@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>>>>>>>>>> Rick Chauvin wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, and same courteous sentiments to you.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> I always skim read the forums here (as well as the other

>>>>>>>>>>>> groups I frequented) I don't have the time luxury to post as

>>>>>>>>>>>> much as I use to anymore though, but am always around.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Good to know you are around. I've had to triple the thickness

>>>>>>>>>>> of my tinfoil hat in this WinXP thread-- but still got a few

>>>>>>>>>>> new holes in my head! Before I leave it, can you settle the

>>>>>>>>>>> issue whether the Modification Date of an XP folder should

>>>>>>>>>>> change (Bill of Co. with XP Home Edition) when a file is

>>>>>>>>>>> added/removed/changed in that folder or remain the same

>>>>>>>>>>> (Terhune with Professional Edition)? Can Terhune have been

>>>>>>>>>>> looking at Creation Date, which needs to be added by a tweak,

>>>>>>>>>>> acc. to Brian A.?

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Rick

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> --

>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks or Good Luck,

>>>>>>>>>>> There may be humor in this post, and,

>>>>>>>>>>> Naturally, you will not sue,

>>>>>>>>>>> Should things get worse after this,

>>>>>>>>>>> PCR

>>>>>>>>>>> pcrrcp@netzero.net

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> --

>>>>>>>>> Thanks or Good Luck,

>>>>>>>>> There may be humor in this post, and,

>>>>>>>>> Naturally, you will not sue,

>>>>>>>>> Should things get worse after this,

>>>>>>>>> PCR

>>>>>>>>> pcrrcp@netzero.net

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> --

>>>>>>> Thanks or Good Luck,

>>>>>>> There may be humor in this post, and,

>>>>>>> Naturally, you will not sue,

>>>>>>> Should things get worse after this,

>>>>>>> PCR

>>>>>>> pcrrcp@netzero.net

>>>>>

>>>>> --

>>>>> Thanks or Good Luck,

>>>>> There may be humor in this post, and,

>>>>> Naturally, you will not sue,

>>>>> Should things get worse after this,

>>>>> PCR

>>>

>>> --

>>> Thanks or Good Luck,

>>> There may be humor in this post, and,

>>> Naturally, you will not sue,

>>> Should things get worse after this,

>>> PCR

>

> --

> Thanks or Good Luck,

> There may be humor in this post, and,

> Naturally, you will not sue,

> Should things get worse after this,

> PCR