Problems activating monitor

"Alan" <jalanthomas@verizon.net> wrote in message

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> I have a monitor that used to be connected to a Windows 98

> computer but recently has been used with a Windows Vista PC. I wanted

> to use it on the Win98 computer. However, everytime I boot, the

> monitor (an old Dell model m780) just sits there. The light beside

> its power button just slowly blinks, and the monitor never displays

> anything. When I switch it back to the Vista machine, it works fine.

>

> I tried powering everything down completely and removing power

> from everything for a few minutes, the reconnecting and booting. No

> change. Same results when I power up the monitor and computer in

> different sequences.

>

> Any ideas? Thanks, Alan

>

May 29, 2008

Re: Problems activating monitor

I`ll try that.

I did try lowering the Refresh Rate (to 60Hz), the resolution (to

800x600) and the colors (to 16 bits) on the Vista machine, then

shutting down. No change.

Thanks, Alan

May 29, 2008

Re: Problems activating monitor

Never mind, that was a total brainfart on my part. Best guess, you've

loosened the video card on the 98 machine. Try reseating it. Next thing to

try is a different video card.

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

"Alan" <jalanthomas@verizon.net> wrote in message

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> I`ll try that.

>

> I did try lowering the Refresh Rate (to 60Hz), the resolution (to

> 800x600) and the colors (to 16 bits) on the Vista machine, then

> shutting down. No change.

>

> Thanks, Alan

May 29, 2008

Re: Problems activating monitor

On Wed, 28 May 2008 17:52:45 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> put

finger to keyboard and composed:

>Never mind, that was a total brainfart on my part. Best guess, you've

>loosened the video card on the 98 machine. Try reseating it. Next thing to

>try is a different video card.

I would think that a loose video card would give rise to a POST

failure. IIRC that would result in 8 beeps. Then again, if the

motherboard has onboard graphics as well as a plug-in video card, then

a loose card may result in the onboard graphics taking over, ie no

beeps.

- Franc Zabkar

--

Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

May 29, 2008

Re: Problems activating monitor

You're assuming there is a PC speaker and that it functions, etc., <g>. As

for the onboard vs. card situation, that's something I should have asked

about.

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message

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> On Wed, 28 May 2008 17:52:45 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> put

> finger to keyboard and composed:

>

>>Never mind, that was a total brainfart on my part. Best guess, you've

>>loosened the video card on the 98 machine. Try reseating it. Next thing to

>>try is a different video card.

>

> I would think that a loose video card would give rise to a POST

> failure. IIRC that would result in 8 beeps. Then again, if the

> motherboard has onboard graphics as well as a plug-in video card, then

> a loose card may result in the onboard graphics taking over, ie no

> beeps.

>

> - Franc Zabkar

> --

> Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

May 29, 2008

Re: Problems activating monitor

"Alan" <jalanthomas@verizon.net> wrote in message

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> I`ll try that.

>

> I did try lowering the Refresh Rate (to 60Hz), the resolution (to

> 800x600) and the colors (to 16 bits) on the Vista machine, then

> shutting down. No change.

>

> Thanks, Alan

What were you expecting to happen?

Setting your video resolution on one machine could not have any effect on an

other machine.

Since you know the monitor is working...(it works on the Vista machine)

the problem is not with the monitor...the problem is with the Win98 machine

itself.

Maybe just a bad connection???

May 29, 2008

Re: Problems activating monitor

That isn't necessarily true... many newer devices have *in device* prom,

eeprom, fprom or other which can be affected by the OS to which it is

connected

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--

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"philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message

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|

| "Alan" <jalanthomas@verizon.net> wrote in message

| news:b421fc05-4476-418f-903d-135d6166ee3e@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...

| > I`ll try that.

| >

| > I did try lowering the Refresh Rate (to 60Hz), the resolution (to

| > 800x600) and the colors (to 16 bits) on the Vista machine, then

| > shutting down. No change.

| >

| > Thanks, Alan

|

| What were you expecting to happen?

| Setting your video resolution on one machine could not have any effect on

an

| other machine.

| Since you know the monitor is working...(it works on the Vista machine)

| the problem is not with the monitor...the problem is with the Win98

machine

| itself.

|

| Maybe just a bad connection???

|

May 29, 2008

Re: Problems activating monitor

"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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> That isn't necessarily true... many newer devices have *in device* prom,

> eeprom, fprom or other which can be affected by the OS to which it is

> connected

>

But the OP specifically said that it was an old monitor

> --

> _________

>

> "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message

> news:zqqdnRDr4NBjb6PVnZ2dnUVZ_qHinZ2d@ntd.net...

> |

> | "Alan" <jalanthomas@verizon.net> wrote in message

> |

news:b421fc05-4476-418f-903d-135d6166ee3e@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...

> | > I`ll try that.

> | >

> | > I did try lowering the Refresh Rate (to 60Hz), the resolution (to

> | > 800x600) and the colors (to 16 bits) on the Vista machine, then

> | > shutting down. No change.

> | >

> | > Thanks, Alan

> |

> | What were you expecting to happen?

> | Setting your video resolution on one machine could not have any effect

on

> an

> | other machine.

> | Since you know the monitor is working...(it works on the Vista machine)

> | the problem is not with the monitor...the problem is with the Win98

> machine

> | itself.

> |

> | Maybe just a bad connection???

> |

>

May 29, 2008

Re: Problems activating monitor

So old as in HOW OLD... what make and model....

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--

_________

"philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message

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|

| "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

| news:e7WCzscwIHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

| > That isn't necessarily true... many newer devices have *in device* prom,

| > eeprom, fprom or other which can be affected by the OS to which it is

| > connected

| >

|

| But the OP specifically said that it was an old monitor

|

| > --

| > _________

| >

| > "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message

| > news:zqqdnRDr4NBjb6PVnZ2dnUVZ_qHinZ2d@ntd.net...

| > |

| > | "Alan" <jalanthomas@verizon.net> wrote in message

| > |

| news:b421fc05-4476-418f-903d-135d6166ee3e@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...

| > | > I`ll try that.

| > | >

| > | > I did try lowering the Refresh Rate (to 60Hz), the resolution (to

| > | > 800x600) and the colors (to 16 bits) on the Vista machine, then

| > | > shutting down. No change.

| > | >

| > | > Thanks, Alan

| > |

| > | What were you expecting to happen?

| > | Setting your video resolution on one machine could not have any effect

| on

| > an

| > | other machine.

| > | Since you know the monitor is working...(it works on the Vista

machine)

| > | the problem is not with the monitor...the problem is with the Win98

| > machine

| > | itself.

| > |

| > | Maybe just a bad connection???

| > |

| >

|

May 29, 2008

Re: Problems activating monitor

How is it affected by the OS? Through what means of communication? Which

cable? Would this not just be a way to "remotely" set things on the monitor

that you would otherwise set by hand using dials and buttons on the monitor?

On such a monitor, wouldn't there have to be a manual reset button?

Just questions that come to mind, if you have the time.

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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> That isn't necessarily true... many newer devices have *in device* prom,

> eeprom, fprom or other which can be affected by the OS to which it is

> connected

>

> --

> --

> _________

>

> "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message

> news:zqqdnRDr4NBjb6PVnZ2dnUVZ_qHinZ2d@ntd.net...

> |

> | "Alan" <jalanthomas@verizon.net> wrote in message

> |

> news:b421fc05-4476-418f-903d-135d6166ee3e@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...

> | > I`ll try that.

> | >

> | > I did try lowering the Refresh Rate (to 60Hz), the resolution (to

> | > 800x600) and the colors (to 16 bits) on the Vista machine, then

> | > shutting down. No change.

> | >

> | > Thanks, Alan

> |

> | What were you expecting to happen?

> | Setting your video resolution on one machine could not have any effect

> on

> an

> | other machine.

> | Since you know the monitor is working...(it works on the Vista machine)

> | the problem is not with the monitor...the problem is with the Win98

> machine

> | itself.

> |

> | Maybe just a bad connection???

> |

>

May 30, 2008

Re: Problems activating monitor

To quote the OP, "an old Dell model m780".

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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> So old as in HOW OLD... what make and model....

>

> --

> --

> _________

>

> "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message

> news:SOWdnUDYYtZntqLVnZ2dnUVZ_uLinZ2d@ntd.net...

> |

> | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> | news:e7WCzscwIHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> | > That isn't necessarily true... many newer devices have *in device*

> prom,

> | > eeprom, fprom or other which can be affected by the OS to which it is

> | > connected

> | >

> |

> | But the OP specifically said that it was an old monitor

> |

> | > --

> | > _________

> | >

> | > "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message

> | > news:zqqdnRDr4NBjb6PVnZ2dnUVZ_qHinZ2d@ntd.net...

> | > |

> | > | "Alan" <jalanthomas@verizon.net> wrote in message

> | > |

> |

> news:b421fc05-4476-418f-903d-135d6166ee3e@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...

> | > | > I`ll try that.

> | > | >

> | > | > I did try lowering the Refresh Rate (to 60Hz), the resolution

> (to

> | > | > 800x600) and the colors (to 16 bits) on the Vista machine, then

> | > | > shutting down. No change.

> | > | >

> | > | > Thanks, Alan

> | > |

> | > | What were you expecting to happen?

> | > | Setting your video resolution on one machine could not have any

> effect

> | on

> | > an

> | > | other machine.

> | > | Since you know the monitor is working...(it works on the Vista

> machine)

> | > | the problem is not with the monitor...the problem is with the Win98

> | > machine

> | > | itself.

> | > |

> | > | Maybe just a bad connection???

> | > |

> | >

> |

>

May 30, 2008

Re: Problems activating monitor

Wow, missed that, quick glance I was thinking computer... have to look at

the specs then..

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_________

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

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| To quote the OP, "an old Dell model m780".

|

| --

| Gary S. Terhune

| MS-MVP Shell/User

|

| "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

| news:%23NwY7VewIHA.1768@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

| > So old as in HOW OLD... what make and model....

| >

| > --

| > --

| > _________

| >

| > "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message

| > news:SOWdnUDYYtZntqLVnZ2dnUVZ_uLinZ2d@ntd.net...

| > |

| > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

| > | news:e7WCzscwIHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

| > | > That isn't necessarily true... many newer devices have *in device*

| > prom,

| > | > eeprom, fprom or other which can be affected by the OS to which it

is

| > | > connected

| > | >

| > |

| > | But the OP specifically said that it was an old monitor

| > |

http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5821924.html

| > | > --

| > | > _________

| > | >

| > | > "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message

| > | > news:zqqdnRDr4NBjb6PVnZ2dnUVZ_qHinZ2d@ntd.net...

| > | > |

| > | > | "Alan" <jalanthomas@verizon.net> wrote in message

| > | > |

| > |

| >

news:b421fc05-4476-418f-903d-135d6166ee3e@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...

| > | > | > I`ll try that.

| > | > | >

| > | > | > I did try lowering the Refresh Rate (to 60Hz), the resolution

| > (to

| > | > | > 800x600) and the colors (to 16 bits) on the Vista machine, then

| > | > | > shutting down. No change.

| > | > | >

| > | > | > Thanks, Alan

| > | > |

| > | > | What were you expecting to happen?

| > | > | Setting your video resolution on one machine could not have any

| > effect

| > | on

| > | > an

| > | > | other machine.

| > | > | Since you know the monitor is working...(it works on the Vista

| > machine)

| > | > | the problem is not with the monitor...the problem is with the

Win98

| > | > machine

| > | > | itself.

| > | > |

| > | > | Maybe just a bad connection???

| > | > |

| > | >

| > |

| >

|

May 30, 2008

Re: Problems activating monitor

This monitor is EPA ENERGY STAR®-compliant and NUTEK-compliant when used

with a computer equipped with VESA DPMS functionality. This system operates

with a VESA DPMS-compliant video card installed in your computer. You use a

software utility installed on your computer to set up this feature.

NUTEK

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5335168.html - read lower

EnergyStar

http://www.energystar.gov/index.cfm?c=revisions.computer_spec

http://www.energystar.gov/ia/partners/product_specs/program_reqs/Computer_Spec_Final.pdf

VISTA [in particular] and sometimes XP are directly controlling through DDC

[monitors -display data channel] or other [including DRM aspects] the

devices.

VISTA appears to do much more of this on its own without requiring the

additional software as suggested above.

DDC

VESA DPMS

http://www.answers.com/topic/vesa-display-power-management-signaling?cat=technology

Franc, myself, and others discussed DDC a few weeks ago. As the standards

are constantly being revised, it would be best to review the standards from

both the time period for the VISTA computer and the monitor if a technical

review is what is desired. also, the monitors actual electrical schematic

I would check the pins and connectors on the 98 box to ensure full contact.

One might try disabling VESA-DPMS on the VISTA machine [if possible] or

Power States. OR waiting several hours without power [electrical and via

connections] to the monitor to see if the monitor clears. My Epson clears

after about 4 or 5 hours YMMV.

As a *never recommended* option, pull the monitor connection from the VISTA

box while running and see if it leaves it in the proper state for 98 use,

OR.disconnecting just before the final shut off of VISTA.

Best option, buy another monitor and stop changing them around.

--

--

_________

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

news:eENcteewIHA.4876@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

| How is it affected by the OS? Through what means of communication? Which

| cable? Would this not just be a way to "remotely" set things on the

monitor

| that you would otherwise set by hand using dials and buttons on the

monitor?

| On such a monitor, wouldn't there have to be a manual reset button?

|

| Just questions that come to mind, if you have the time.

|

| --

| Gary S. Terhune

| MS-MVP Shell/User

|

| "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

| news:e7WCzscwIHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

| > That isn't necessarily true... many newer devices have *in device* prom,

| > eeprom, fprom or other which can be affected by the OS to which it is

| > connected

| >

| > --

| > --

| > _________

| >

| > "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message

| > news:zqqdnRDr4NBjb6PVnZ2dnUVZ_qHinZ2d@ntd.net...

| > |

| > | "Alan" <jalanthomas@verizon.net> wrote in message

| > |

| >

news:b421fc05-4476-418f-903d-135d6166ee3e@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...

| > | > I`ll try that.

| > | >

| > | > I did try lowering the Refresh Rate (to 60Hz), the resolution (to

| > | > 800x600) and the colors (to 16 bits) on the Vista machine, then

| > | > shutting down. No change.

| > | >

| > | > Thanks, Alan

| > |

| > | What were you expecting to happen?

| > | Setting your video resolution on one machine could not have any effect

| > on

| > an

| > | other machine.

| > | Since you know the monitor is working...(it works on the Vista

machine)

| > | the problem is not with the monitor...the problem is with the Win98

| > machine

| > | itself.

| > |

| > | Maybe just a bad connection???

| > |

| >

|

May 30, 2008

Re: Problems activating monitor

Just to be sure, when you say "This monitor...", you're talking about the

"old Dell M780", here? Not some hypothetical?

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

> http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5821924.html

"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:eaXriSfwIHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> This monitor is EPA ENERGY STAR®-compliant and NUTEK-compliant when used

> with a computer equipped with VESA DPMS functionality. This system

> operates

> with a VESA DPMS-compliant video card installed in your computer. You use

> a

> software utility installed on your computer to set up this feature.

>

> NUTEK

> http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5335168.html - read lower

>

> EnergyStar

> http://www.energystar.gov/index.cfm?c=revisions.computer_spec

> http://www.energystar.gov/ia/partners/product_specs/program_reqs/Computer_Spec_Final.pdf

>

> VISTA [in particular] and sometimes XP are directly controlling through

> DDC

> [monitors -display data channel] or other [including DRM aspects] the

> devices.

> VISTA appears to do much more of this on its own without requiring the

> additional software as suggested above.

>

> DDC

> VESA DPMS

> http://www.answers.com/topic/vesa-display-power-management-signaling?cat=technology

>

> Franc, myself, and others discussed DDC a few weeks ago. As the standards

> are constantly being revised, it would be best to review the standards

> from

> both the time period for the VISTA computer and the monitor if a technical

> review is what is desired. also, the monitors actual electrical schematic

>

> I would check the pins and connectors on the 98 box to ensure full

> contact.

> One might try disabling VESA-DPMS on the VISTA machine [if possible] or

> Power States. OR waiting several hours without power [electrical and via

> connections] to the monitor to see if the monitor clears. My Epson clears

> after about 4 or 5 hours YMMV.

> As a *never recommended* option, pull the monitor connection from the

> VISTA

> box while running and see if it leaves it in the proper state for 98 use,

> OR.disconnecting just before the final shut off of VISTA.

>

> Best option, buy another monitor and stop changing them around.

>

> --

> --

> _________

>

> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

> news:eENcteewIHA.4876@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> | How is it affected by the OS? Through what means of communication? Which

> | cable? Would this not just be a way to "remotely" set things on the

> monitor

> | that you would otherwise set by hand using dials and buttons on the

> monitor?

> | On such a monitor, wouldn't there have to be a manual reset button?

> |

> | Just questions that come to mind, if you have the time.

> |

> | --

> | Gary S. Terhune

> | MS-MVP Shell/User

> | http://www.grystmill.com

> |

> | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> | news:e7WCzscwIHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> | > That isn't necessarily true... many newer devices have *in device*

> prom,

> | > eeprom, fprom or other which can be affected by the OS to which it is

> | > connected

> | >

> | > --

> | > --

> | > _________

> | >

> | > "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message

> | > news:zqqdnRDr4NBjb6PVnZ2dnUVZ_qHinZ2d@ntd.net...

> | > |

> | > | "Alan" <jalanthomas@verizon.net> wrote in message

> | > |

> | >

> news:b421fc05-4476-418f-903d-135d6166ee3e@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...

> | > | > I`ll try that.

> | > | >

> | > | > I did try lowering the Refresh Rate (to 60Hz), the resolution

> (to

> | > | > 800x600) and the colors (to 16 bits) on the Vista machine, then

> | > | > shutting down. No change.

> | > | >

> | > | > Thanks, Alan

> | > |

> | > | What were you expecting to happen?

> | > | Setting your video resolution on one machine could not have any

> effect

> | > on

> | > an

> | > | other machine.

> | > | Since you know the monitor is working...(it works on the Vista

> machine)

> | > | the problem is not with the monitor...the problem is with the Win98

> | > machine

> | > | itself.

> | > |

> | > | Maybe just a bad connection???

> | > |

> | >

> |

>

May 30, 2008

Re: Problems activating monitor

That was a quote from the actual information supplied and concerning that

monitor.

--

--

_________

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

news:u5F0JkfwIHA.4952@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

| Just to be sure, when you say "This monitor...", you're talking about the

| "old Dell M780", here? Not some hypothetical?

|

| --

| Gary S. Terhune

| MS-MVP Shell/User

| > http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5821924.html

|

| "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

| news:eaXriSfwIHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

| > This monitor is EPA ENERGY STAR®-compliant and NUTEK-compliant when used

| > with a computer equipped with VESA DPMS functionality. This system

| > operates

| > with a VESA DPMS-compliant video card installed in your computer. You

use

| > a

| > software utility installed on your computer to set up this feature.

| >

| > NUTEK

| > http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5335168.html - read lower

| >

| > EnergyStar

| > http://www.energystar.gov/index.cfm?c=revisions.computer_spec

| >

http://www.energystar.gov/ia/partners/product_specs/program_reqs/Computer_Spec_Final.pdf

| >

| > VISTA [in particular] and sometimes XP are directly controlling through

| > DDC

| > [monitors -display data channel] or other [including DRM aspects] the

| > devices.

| > VISTA appears to do much more of this on its own without requiring the

| > additional software as suggested above.

| >

| > DDC

| > VESA DPMS

| >

http://www.answers.com/topic/vesa-display-power-management-signaling?cat=technology

| >

| > Franc, myself, and others discussed DDC a few weeks ago. As the

standards

| > are constantly being revised, it would be best to review the standards

| > from

| > both the time period for the VISTA computer and the monitor if a

technical

| > review is what is desired. also, the monitors actual electrical

schematic

| >

| > I would check the pins and connectors on the 98 box to ensure full

| > contact.

| > One might try disabling VESA-DPMS on the VISTA machine [if possible] or

| > Power States. OR waiting several hours without power [electrical and

via

| > connections] to the monitor to see if the monitor clears. My Epson

clears

| > after about 4 or 5 hours YMMV.

| > As a *never recommended* option, pull the monitor connection from the

| > VISTA

| > box while running and see if it leaves it in the proper state for 98

use,

| > OR.disconnecting just before the final shut off of VISTA.

| >

| > Best option, buy another monitor and stop changing them around.

| >

| > --

| > --

| > _________

| >

| > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

| > news:eENcteewIHA.4876@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

| > | How is it affected by the OS? Through what means of communication?

Which

| > | cable? Would this not just be a way to "remotely" set things on the

| > monitor

| > | that you would otherwise set by hand using dials and buttons on the

| > monitor?

| > | On such a monitor, wouldn't there have to be a manual reset button?

| > |

| > | Just questions that come to mind, if you have the time.

| > |

| > | --

| > | Gary S. Terhune

| > | MS-MVP Shell/User

| > | http://www.grystmill.com

| > |

| > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

| > | news:e7WCzscwIHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

| > | > That isn't necessarily true... many newer devices have *in device*

| > prom,

| > | > eeprom, fprom or other which can be affected by the OS to which it

is

| > | > connected

| > | >

| > | > --

| > | > --

| > | > _________

| > | >

| > | > "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message

| > | > news:zqqdnRDr4NBjb6PVnZ2dnUVZ_qHinZ2d@ntd.net...

| > | > |

| > | > | "Alan" <jalanthomas@verizon.net> wrote in message

| > | > |

| > | >

| >

news:b421fc05-4476-418f-903d-135d6166ee3e@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...

| > | > | > I`ll try that.

| > | > | >

| > | > | > I did try lowering the Refresh Rate (to 60Hz), the resolution

| > (to

| > | > | > 800x600) and the colors (to 16 bits) on the Vista machine, then

| > | > | > shutting down. No change.

| > | > | >

| > | > | > Thanks, Alan

| > | > |

| > | > | What were you expecting to happen?

| > | > | Setting your video resolution on one machine could not have any

| > effect

| > | > on

| > | > an

| > | > | other machine.

| > | > | Since you know the monitor is working...(it works on the Vista

| > machine)

| > | > | the problem is not with the monitor...the problem is with the

Win98

| > | > machine

| > | > | itself.

| > | > |

| > | > | Maybe just a bad connection???

| > | > |

| > | >

| > |

| >

|

May 30, 2008

Re: Problems activating monitor

Thanks.

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:OIlIQ0gwIHA.576@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> That was a quote from the actual information supplied and concerning that

> monitor.

>

> --

> | > http://www.energystar.gov/index.cfm?c=revisions.computer_spec

> --

> _________

>

> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

> news:u5F0JkfwIHA.4952@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> | Just to be sure, when you say "This monitor...", you're talking about

> the

> | "old Dell M780", here? Not some hypothetical?

> |

> | --

> | Gary S. Terhune

> | MS-MVP Shell/User

> | http://www.grystmill.com

> |

> | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> | news:eaXriSfwIHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> | > This monitor is EPA ENERGY STAR®-compliant and NUTEK-compliant when

> used

> | > with a computer equipped with VESA DPMS functionality. This system

> | > operates

> | > with a VESA DPMS-compliant video card installed in your computer. You

> use

> | > a

> | > software utility installed on your computer to set up this feature.

> | >

> | > NUTEK

> | > http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5821924.html

> | > http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5335168.html - read lower

> | >

> | > EnergyStar

> | >

> http://www.energystar.gov/ia/partners/product_specs/program_reqs/Computer_Spec_Final.pdf

> | >

> | > VISTA [in particular] and sometimes XP are directly controlling

> through

> | > DDC

> | > [monitors -display data channel] or other [including DRM aspects] the

> | > devices.

> | > VISTA appears to do much more of this on its own without requiring the

> | > additional software as suggested above.

> | >

> | > DDC

> | > VESA DPMS

> | >

> http://www.answers.com/topic/vesa-display-power-management-signaling?cat=technology

> | >

> | > Franc, myself, and others discussed DDC a few weeks ago. As the

> standards

> | > are constantly being revised, it would be best to review the standards

> | > from

> | > both the time period for the VISTA computer and the monitor if a

> technical

> | > review is what is desired. also, the monitors actual electrical

> schematic

> | >

> | > I would check the pins and connectors on the 98 box to ensure full

> | > contact.

> | > One might try disabling VESA-DPMS on the VISTA machine [if possible]

> or

> | > Power States. OR waiting several hours without power [electrical and

> via

> | > connections] to the monitor to see if the monitor clears. My Epson

> clears

> | > after about 4 or 5 hours YMMV.

> | > As a *never recommended* option, pull the monitor connection from the

> | > VISTA

> | > box while running and see if it leaves it in the proper state for 98

> use,

> | > OR.disconnecting just before the final shut off of VISTA.

> | >

> | > Best option, buy another monitor and stop changing them around.

> | >

> | > --

> http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5821924.html

> | > --

> | > _________

> | >

> | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

> | > news:eENcteewIHA.4876@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> | > | How is it affected by the OS? Through what means of communication?

> Which

> | > | cable? Would this not just be a way to "remotely" set things on the

> | > monitor

> | > | that you would otherwise set by hand using dials and buttons on the

> | > monitor?

> | > | On such a monitor, wouldn't there have to be a manual reset button?

> | > |

> | > | Just questions that come to mind, if you have the time.

> | > |

> | > | --

> | > | Gary S. Terhune

> | > | MS-MVP Shell/User

> | > | http://www.grystmill.com

> | > |

> | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> | > | news:e7WCzscwIHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> | > | > That isn't necessarily true... many newer devices have *in device*

> | > prom,

> | > | > eeprom, fprom or other which can be affected by the OS to which it

> is

> | > | > connected

> | > | >

> | > | > --

> | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

> | > | > --

> | > | > _________

> | > | >

> | > | > "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message

> | > | > news:zqqdnRDr4NBjb6PVnZ2dnUVZ_qHinZ2d@ntd.net...

> | > | > |

> | > | > | "Alan" <jalanthomas@verizon.net> wrote in message

> | > | > |

> | > | >

> | >

> news:b421fc05-4476-418f-903d-135d6166ee3e@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...

> | > | > | > I`ll try that.

> | > | > | >

> | > | > | > I did try lowering the Refresh Rate (to 60Hz), the

> resolution

> | > (to

> | > | > | > 800x600) and the colors (to 16 bits) on the Vista machine,

> then

> | > | > | > shutting down. No change.

> | > | > | >

> | > | > | > Thanks, Alan

> | > | > |

> | > | > | What were you expecting to happen?

> | > | > | Setting your video resolution on one machine could not have any

> | > effect

> | > | > on

> | > | > an

> | > | > | other machine.

> | > | > | Since you know the monitor is working...(it works on the Vista

> | > machine)

> | > | > | the problem is not with the monitor...the problem is with the

> Win98

> | > | > machine

> | > | > | itself.

> | > | > |

> | > | > | Maybe just a bad connection???

> | > | > |

> | > | >

> | > |

> | >

> |

>

May 30, 2008

Re: Problems activating monitor

"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:eaXriSfwIHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> This monitor is EPA ENERGY STAR®-compliant and NUTEK-compliant when used

> with a computer equipped with VESA DPMS functionality. This system

operates

> with a VESA DPMS-compliant video card installed in your computer. You use

a

> software utility installed on your computer to set up this feature.

>

> NUTEK

> http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5335168.html - read lower

>

> EnergyStar

> http://www.energystar.gov/index.cfm?c=revisions.computer_spec

>

http://www.energystar.gov/ia/partners/product_specs/program_reqs/Computer_Spec_Final.pdf

>

> VISTA [in particular] and sometimes XP are directly controlling through

DDC

> [monitors -display data channel] or other [including DRM aspects] the

> devices.

> VISTA appears to do much more of this on its own without requiring the

> additional software as suggested above.

>

> DDC

> VESA DPMS

>

http://www.answers.com/topic/vesa-display-power-management-signaling?cat=technology

>

> Franc, myself, and others discussed DDC a few weeks ago. As the standards

> are constantly being revised, it would be best to review the standards

from

> both the time period for the VISTA computer and the monitor if a technical

> review is what is desired. also, the monitors actual electrical schematic

>

> I would check the pins and connectors on the 98 box to ensure full

contact.

> One might try disabling VESA-DPMS on the VISTA machine [if possible] or

> Power States. OR waiting several hours without power [electrical and via

> connections] to the monitor to see if the monitor clears. My Epson clears

> after about 4 or 5 hours YMMV.

> As a *never recommended* option, pull the monitor connection from the

VISTA

> box while running and see if it leaves it in the proper state for 98 use,

> OR.disconnecting just before the final shut off of VISTA.

>

> Best option, buy another monitor and stop changing them around.

>

Well that was a good observation!

But still, even if Vista had set the monitor to the sleep state...

the re-introduction of the H-sync and V-sync signal should have reset the

monitor...

If not, the monitor may have a re-set button

or option

> --

> --

> _________

>

> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

> news:eENcteewIHA.4876@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> | How is it affected by the OS? Through what means of communication? Which

> | cable? Would this not just be a way to "remotely" set things on the

> monitor

> | that you would otherwise set by hand using dials and buttons on the

> monitor?

> | On such a monitor, wouldn't there have to be a manual reset button?

> |

> | Just questions that come to mind, if you have the time.

> |

> | --

> | Gary S. Terhune

> | MS-MVP Shell/User

> | http://www.grystmill.com

> |

> | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> | news:e7WCzscwIHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> | > That isn't necessarily true... many newer devices have *in device*

prom,

> | > eeprom, fprom or other which can be affected by the OS to which it is

> | > connected

> | >

> | > --

| > http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5821924.html

> | > --

> | > _________

> | >

> | > "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message

> | > news:zqqdnRDr4NBjb6PVnZ2dnUVZ_qHinZ2d@ntd.net...

> | > |

> | > | "Alan" <jalanthomas@verizon.net> wrote in message

> | > |

> | >

> news:b421fc05-4476-418f-903d-135d6166ee3e@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...

> | > | > I`ll try that.

> | > | >

> | > | > I did try lowering the Refresh Rate (to 60Hz), the resolution

(to

> | > | > 800x600) and the colors (to 16 bits) on the Vista machine, then

> | > | > shutting down. No change.

> | > | >

> | > | > Thanks, Alan

> | > |

> | > | What were you expecting to happen?

> | > | Setting your video resolution on one machine could not have any

effect

> | > on

> | > an

> | > | other machine.

> | > | Since you know the monitor is working...(it works on the Vista

> machine)

> | > | the problem is not with the monitor...the problem is with the Win98

> | > machine

> | > | itself.

> | > |

> | > | Maybe just a bad connection???

> | > |

> | >

> |

>

May 30, 2008

Re: Problems activating monitor

"philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message

news:rpudnXPrp93vBqLVnZ2dnUVZ_obinZ2d@ntd.net...

|

| "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

| news:eaXriSfwIHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

| > This monitor is EPA ENERGY STAR®-compliant and NUTEK-compliant when used

| > with a computer equipped with VESA DPMS functionality. This system

| operates

| > with a VESA DPMS-compliant video card installed in your computer. You

use

| a

| > software utility installed on your computer to set up this feature.

| >

| > NUTEK

| > http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5335168.html - read lower

| >

| > EnergyStar

| > http://www.energystar.gov/index.cfm?c=revisions.computer_spec

| >

|

http://www.energystar.gov/ia/partners/product_specs/program_reqs/Computer_Spec_Final.pdf

| >

| > VISTA [in particular] and sometimes XP are directly controlling through

| DDC

| > [monitors -display data channel] or other [including DRM aspects] the

| > devices.

| > VISTA appears to do much more of this on its own without requiring the

| > additional software as suggested above.

| >

| > DDC

| > VESA DPMS

| >

|

http://www.answers.com/topic/vesa-display-power-management-signaling?cat=technology

| >

| > Franc, myself, and others discussed DDC a few weeks ago. As the

standards

| > are constantly being revised, it would be best to review the standards

| from

| > both the time period for the VISTA computer and the monitor if a

technical

| > review is what is desired. also, the monitors actual electrical

schematic

| >

| > I would check the pins and connectors on the 98 box to ensure full

| contact.

| > One might try disabling VESA-DPMS on the VISTA machine [if possible] or

| > Power States. OR waiting several hours without power [electrical and

via

| > connections] to the monitor to see if the monitor clears. My Epson

clears

| > after about 4 or 5 hours YMMV.

| > As a *never recommended* option, pull the monitor connection from the

| VISTA

| > box while running and see if it leaves it in the proper state for 98

use,

| > OR.disconnecting just before the final shut off of VISTA.

| >

| > Best option, buy another monitor and stop changing them around.

| >

|

| Well that was a good observation!

|

| But still, even if Vista had set the monitor to the sleep state...

| the re-introduction of the H-sync and V-sync signal should have reset the

| monitor...

|

| If not, the monitor may have a re-set button

| or option

|

Reset button? Where the heck and on what CRT monitor do you find a reset

button? Degauz maybe... if it has one it couldn't hurt to press it.

Ah no, not necessarily, part of the various specification compliances is

retained state [or at least it was when I read some information, of course

that may have just been proposed]..... any OPTION would be via software with

the monitor running VISUALLY {unless one has video reset software}, and

H-sync and V-sync WOULD likely work, but perhaps only FROM a fully

compatible VESA DPMS compliant computer or video card as its apparently

stuck in that mode [leaving VISTA activities out of the picture for this

portion of the discussion] OR it has issues with some internal part/chip OR

..... well there's a lot of ORs and a few ANDs.... and a couple wild guesses

If the poster is still around, we COULD find out if the compliance on the

98 box is compatible [video manufacturer/model/chipset], and several other

issues, like motherboard, BIOS support [and settings if remembered], last

time used, and other...

--

--

_________

| > --

| > --

| > _________

| >

| > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

| > news:eENcteewIHA.4876@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

| > | How is it affected by the OS? Through what means of communication?

Which

| > | cable? Would this not just be a way to "remotely" set things on the

| > monitor

| > | that you would otherwise set by hand using dials and buttons on the

| > monitor?

| > | On such a monitor, wouldn't there have to be a manual reset button?

| > |

| > | Just questions that come to mind, if you have the time.

| > |

| > | --

| > | Gary S. Terhune

| > | MS-MVP Shell/User

| > | http://www.grystmill.com

| > |

| > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

| > | news:e7WCzscwIHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

| > | > That isn't necessarily true... many newer devices have *in device*

| prom,

| > | > eeprom, fprom or other which can be affected by the OS to which it

is

| > | > connected

| > | >

| > | > --

| > | > --

| > | > _________

| > | >

| > | > "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message

| > | > news:zqqdnRDr4NBjb6PVnZ2dnUVZ_qHinZ2d@ntd.net...

| > | > |

| > | > | "Alan" <jalanthomas@verizon.net> wrote in message

| > | > |

| > | >

| >

news:b421fc05-4476-418f-903d-135d6166ee3e@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...

| > | > | > I`ll try that.

| > | > | >

| > | > | > I did try lowering the Refresh Rate (to 60Hz), the resolution

| (to

| > | > | > 800x600) and the colors (to 16 bits) on the Vista machine, then

| > | > | > shutting down. No change.

| > | > | >

| > | > | > Thanks, Alan

| > | > |

| > | > | What were you expecting to happen?

| > | > | Setting your video resolution on one machine could not have any

| effect

| > | > on

| > | > an

| > | > | other machine.

| > | > | Since you know the monitor is working...(it works on the Vista

| > machine)

| > | > | the problem is not with the monitor...the problem is with the

Win98

| > | > machine

| > | > | itself.

| > | > |

| > | > | Maybe just a bad connection???

| > | > |

| > | >

| > |

| >

|

May 30, 2008

Re: Problems activating monitor

My fault, I should have noted that when I posted...

--

--

_________

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

news:ORaaOrhwIHA.5584@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

| Thanks.

|

| --

| Gary S. Terhune

| MS-MVP Shell/User

|

| "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

| news:OIlIQ0gwIHA.576@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

| > That was a quote from the actual information supplied and concerning

that

| > monitor.

| >

| > --

http://www.energystar.gov/ia/partners/product_specs/program_reqs/Computer_Spec_Final.pdf

| > --

| > _________

| >

| > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

| > news:u5F0JkfwIHA.4952@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

| > | Just to be sure, when you say "This monitor...", you're talking about

| > the

| > | "old Dell M780", here? Not some hypothetical?

| > |

| > | --

| > | Gary S. Terhune

| > | MS-MVP Shell/User

| > | http://www.grystmill.com

| > |

| > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

| > | news:eaXriSfwIHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

| > | > This monitor is EPA ENERGY STAR®-compliant and NUTEK-compliant when

| > used

| > | > with a computer equipped with VESA DPMS functionality. This system

| > | > operates

| > | > with a VESA DPMS-compliant video card installed in your computer.

You

| > use

| > | > a

| > | > software utility installed on your computer to set up this feature.

| > | >

| > | > NUTEK

| > | > http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5821924.html

| > | > http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5335168.html - read lower

| > | >

| > | > EnergyStar

| > | > http://www.energystar.gov/index.cfm?c=revisions.computer_spec

| > | >

| >

| > | >

| > | > VISTA [in particular] and sometimes XP are directly controlling

| > through

| > | > DDC

| > | > [monitors -display data channel] or other [including DRM aspects]

the

| > | > devices.

| > | > VISTA appears to do much more of this on its own without requiring

the

| > | > additional software as suggested above.

| > | >

| > | > DDC

| > | > VESA DPMS

| > | >

| >

http://www.answers.com/topic/vesa-display-power-management-signaling?cat=technology

| > | >

| > | > Franc, myself, and others discussed DDC a few weeks ago. As the

| > standards

| > | > are constantly being revised, it would be best to review the

standards

| > | > from

| > | > both the time period for the VISTA computer and the monitor if a

| > technical

| > | > review is what is desired. also, the monitors actual electrical

| > schematic

| > | >

| > | > I would check the pins and connectors on the 98 box to ensure full

| > | > contact.

| > | > One might try disabling VESA-DPMS on the VISTA machine [if possible]

| > or

| > | > Power States. OR waiting several hours without power [electrical

and

| > via

| > | > connections] to the monitor to see if the monitor clears. My Epson

| > clears

| > | > after about 4 or 5 hours YMMV.

| > | > As a *never recommended* option, pull the monitor connection from

the

| > | > VISTA

| > | > box while running and see if it leaves it in the proper state for 98

| > use,

| > | > OR.disconnecting just before the final shut off of VISTA.

| > | >

| > | > Best option, buy another monitor and stop changing them around.

| > | >

| > | > --

| > | > --

| > | > _________

| > | >

| > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

| > | > news:eENcteewIHA.4876@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

| > | > | How is it affected by the OS? Through what means of communication?

| > Which

| > | > | cable? Would this not just be a way to "remotely" set things on

the

| > | > monitor

| > | > | that you would otherwise set by hand using dials and buttons on

the

| > | > monitor?

| > | > | On such a monitor, wouldn't there have to be a manual reset

button?

| > | > |

| > | > | Just questions that come to mind, if you have the time.

| > | > |

| > | > | --

| > | > | Gary S. Terhune

| > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User

| > | > | http://www.grystmill.com

| > | > |

| > | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

| > | > | news:e7WCzscwIHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

| > | > | > That isn't necessarily true... many newer devices have *in

device*

| > | > prom,

| > | > | > eeprom, fprom or other which can be affected by the OS to which

it

| > is

| > | > | > connected

| > | > | >

| > | > | > --

| > | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

| > | > | > --

| > | > | > _________

| > | > | >

| > | > | > "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message

| > | > | > news:zqqdnRDr4NBjb6PVnZ2dnUVZ_qHinZ2d@ntd.net...

| > | > | > |

| > | > | > | "Alan" <jalanthomas@verizon.net> wrote in message

| > | > | > |

| > | > | >

| > | >

| >

news:b421fc05-4476-418f-903d-135d6166ee3e@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...

| > | > | > | > I`ll try that.

| > | > | > | >

| > | > | > | > I did try lowering the Refresh Rate (to 60Hz), the

| > resolution

| > | > (to

| > | > | > | > 800x600) and the colors (to 16 bits) on the Vista machine,

| > then

| > | > | > | > shutting down. No change.

| > | > | > | >

| > | > | > | > Thanks, Alan

| > | > | > |

| > | > | > | What were you expecting to happen?

| > | > | > | Setting your video resolution on one machine could not have

any

| > | > effect

| > | > | > on

| > | > | > an

| > | > | > | other machine.

| > | > | > | Since you know the monitor is working...(it works on the Vista

| > | > machine)

| > | > | > | the problem is not with the monitor...the problem is with the

| > Win98

| > | > | > machine

| > | > | > | itself.

| > | > | > |

| > | > | > | Maybe just a bad connection???

| > | > | > |

| > | > | >

| > | > |

| > | >

| > |

| >

|

May 30, 2008

Re: Problems activating monitor

Are you quite sure you have it plugged into the correct connector? It's

easy to overlook the connector on the plug-in video card and connect it

instead to the disabled video port on the motherboard.

--

Jeff Richards

MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)

"Alan" <jalanthomas@verizon.net> wrote in message

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> I have a monitor that used to be connected to a Windows 98

> computer but recently has been used with a Windows Vista PC. I wanted

> to use it on the Win98 computer. However, everytime I boot, the

> monitor (an old Dell model m780) just sits there. The light beside

> its power button just slowly blinks, and the monitor never displays

> anything. When I switch it back to the Vista machine, it works fine.

>

> I tried powering everything down completely and removing power

> from everything for a few minutes, the reconnecting and booting. No

> change. Same results when I power up the monitor and computer in

> different sequences.

>

> Any ideas? Thanks, Alan

>

May 30, 2008

Re: Problems activating monitor

Good point, it could also be the wrong video connector if there are two

available on the adapter...

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"Jeff Richards" <JRichards@msn.com.au> wrote in message

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| Are you quite sure you have it plugged into the correct connector? It's

| easy to overlook the connector on the plug-in video card and connect it

| instead to the disabled video port on the motherboard.

| --

| Jeff Richards

| MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)

| "Alan" <jalanthomas@verizon.net> wrote in message

| news:c8868f1d-88ce-43d8-b172-ccfddf3064cc@z72g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...

| > I have a monitor that used to be connected to a Windows 98

| > computer but recently has been used with a Windows Vista PC. I wanted

| > to use it on the Win98 computer. However, everytime I boot, the

| > monitor (an old Dell model m780) just sits there. The light beside

| > its power button just slowly blinks, and the monitor never displays

| > anything. When I switch it back to the Vista machine, it works fine.

| >

| > I tried powering everything down completely and removing power

| > from everything for a few minutes, the reconnecting and booting. No

| > change. Same results when I power up the monitor and computer in

| > different sequences.

| >

| > Any ideas? Thanks, Alan

| >

|

May 30, 2008

Re: Problems activating monitor

"Jeff Richards" <JRichards@msn.com.au> wrote:

>Are you quite sure you have it plugged into the correct connector? It's

>easy to overlook the connector on the plug-in video card and connect it

>instead to the disabled video port on the motherboard.

Yeah, that's what I wondered about. Isn't the "slowly blinking" LED

beside the power button that OP described a "no signal" indication?

--

Tim Slattery

MS MVP(Shell/User)

Slattery_T@bls.gov

May 30, 2008

Re: Problems activating monitor

"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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>

> "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message

> news:rpudnXPrp93vBqLVnZ2dnUVZ_obinZ2d@ntd.net...

> |

> | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> | news:eaXriSfwIHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> | > This monitor is EPA ENERGY STAR®-compliant and NUTEK-compliant when

used

> | > with a computer equipped with VESA DPMS functionality. This system

> | operates

> | > with a VESA DPMS-compliant video card installed in your computer. You

> use

> | a

> | > software utility installed on your computer to set up this feature.

> | >

> | > NUTEK

> | > http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5821924.html

> | > http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5335168.html - read lower

> | >

> | > EnergyStar

> | > http://www.energystar.gov/index.cfm?c=revisions.computer_spec

> | >

> |

>

http://www.energystar.gov/ia/partners/product_specs/program_reqs/Computer_Spec_Final.pdf

> | >

> | > VISTA [in particular] and sometimes XP are directly controlling

through

> | DDC

> | > [monitors -display data channel] or other [including DRM aspects] the

> | > devices.

> | > VISTA appears to do much more of this on its own without requiring the

> | > additional software as suggested above.

> | >

> | > DDC

> | > VESA DPMS

> | >

> |

>

http://www.answers.com/topic/vesa-display-power-management-signaling?cat=technology

> | >

> | > Franc, myself, and others discussed DDC a few weeks ago. As the

> standards

> | > are constantly being revised, it would be best to review the standards

> | from

> | > both the time period for the VISTA computer and the monitor if a

> technical

> | > review is what is desired. also, the monitors actual electrical

> schematic

> | >

> | > I would check the pins and connectors on the 98 box to ensure full

> | contact.

> | > One might try disabling VESA-DPMS on the VISTA machine [if possible]

or

> | > Power States. OR waiting several hours without power [electrical and

> via

> | > connections] to the monitor to see if the monitor clears. My Epson

> clears

> | > after about 4 or 5 hours YMMV.

> | > As a *never recommended* option, pull the monitor connection from the

> | VISTA

> | > box while running and see if it leaves it in the proper state for 98

> use,

> | > OR.disconnecting just before the final shut off of VISTA.

> | >

> | > Best option, buy another monitor and stop changing them around.

> | >

> |

> | Well that was a good observation!

> |

> | But still, even if Vista had set the monitor to the sleep state...

> | the re-introduction of the H-sync and V-sync signal should have reset

the

> | monitor...

> |

> | If not, the monitor may have a re-set button

> | or option

> |

>

> Reset button? Where the heck and on what CRT monitor do you find a reset

> button? Degauz maybe... if it has one it couldn't hurt to press it.

>

> Ah no, not necessarily, part of the various specification compliances is

> retained state [or at least it was when I read some information, of course

> that may have just been proposed]..... any OPTION would be via software

with

> the monitor running VISUALLY {unless one has video reset software}, and

> H-sync and V-sync WOULD likely work, but perhaps only FROM a fully

> compatible VESA DPMS compliant computer or video card as its apparently

> stuck in that mode [leaving VISTA activities out of the picture for this

> portion of the discussion] OR it has issues with some internal part/chip

OR

> .... well there's a lot of ORs and a few ANDs.... and a couple wild

guesses

>

> If the poster is still around, we COULD find out if the compliance on the

> 98 box is compatible [video manufacturer/model/chipset], and several other

> issues, like motherboard, BIOS support [and settings if remembered], last

> time used, and other...

>

All the monitors I've ever worked on has an on-screen menu...

of course since the OP seems to be gone now...who knows for sure what the

situation was.

> --

> _________

>

> | > --

> | > --

> | > _________

> | >

> | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

> | > news:eENcteewIHA.4876@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> | > | How is it affected by the OS? Through what means of communication?

> Which

> | > | cable? Would this not just be a way to "remotely" set things on the

> | > monitor

> | > | that you would otherwise set by hand using dials and buttons on the

> | > monitor?

> | > | On such a monitor, wouldn't there have to be a manual reset button?

> | > |

> | > | Just questions that come to mind, if you have the time.

> | > |

> | > | --

> | > | Gary S. Terhune

> | > | MS-MVP Shell/User

> | > | http://www.grystmill.com

> | > |

> | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> | > | news:e7WCzscwIHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> | > | > That isn't necessarily true... many newer devices have *in device*

> | prom,

> | > | > eeprom, fprom or other which can be affected by the OS to which it

> is

> | > | > connected

> | > | >

> | > | > --

> | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

> | > | > --

> | > | > _________

> | > | >

> | > | > "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message

> | > | > news:zqqdnRDr4NBjb6PVnZ2dnUVZ_qHinZ2d@ntd.net...

> | > | > |

> | > | > | "Alan" <jalanthomas@verizon.net> wrote in message

> | > | > |

> | > | >

> | >

> news:b421fc05-4476-418f-903d-135d6166ee3e@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...

> | > | > | > I`ll try that.

> | > | > | >

> | > | > | > I did try lowering the Refresh Rate (to 60Hz), the

resolution

> | (to

> | > | > | > 800x600) and the colors (to 16 bits) on the Vista machine,

then

> | > | > | > shutting down. No change.

> | > | > | >

> | > | > | > Thanks, Alan

> | > | > |

> | > | > | What were you expecting to happen?

> | > | > | Setting your video resolution on one machine could not have any

> | effect

> | > | > on

> | > | > an

> | > | > | other machine.

> | > | > | Since you know the monitor is working...(it works on the Vista

> | > machine)

> | > | > | the problem is not with the monitor...the problem is with the

> Win98

> | > | > machine

> | > | > | itself.

> | > | > |

> | > | > | Maybe just a bad connection???

> | > | > |

> | > | >

> | > |

> | >

> |

>

May 30, 2008

Re: Problems activating monitor

Agreed, another missed opportunity...

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http://www.energystar.gov/ia/partners/product_specs/program_reqs/Computer_Spec_Final.pdf

--

_________

"philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message

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|

| "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

| news:OT4$aHiwIHA.4564@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

| >

| > "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message

| > news:rpudnXPrp93vBqLVnZ2dnUVZ_obinZ2d@ntd.net...

| > |

| > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

| > | news:eaXriSfwIHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

| > | > This monitor is EPA ENERGY STAR®-compliant and NUTEK-compliant when

| used

| > | > with a computer equipped with VESA DPMS functionality. This system

| > | operates

| > | > with a VESA DPMS-compliant video card installed in your computer.

You

| > use

| > | a

| > | > software utility installed on your computer to set up this feature.

| > | >

| > | > NUTEK

| > | > http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5821924.html

| > | > http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5335168.html - read lower

| > | >

| > | > EnergyStar

| > | > http://www.energystar.gov/index.cfm?c=revisions.computer_spec

| > | >

| > |

| >

|

| > | >

| > | > VISTA [in particular] and sometimes XP are directly controlling

| through

| > | DDC

| > | > [monitors -display data channel] or other [including DRM aspects]

the

| > | > devices.

| > | > VISTA appears to do much more of this on its own without requiring

the

| > | > additional software as suggested above.

| > | >

| > | > DDC

| > | > VESA DPMS

| > | >

| > |

| >

|

http://www.answers.com/topic/vesa-display-power-management-signaling?cat=technology

| > | >

| > | > Franc, myself, and others discussed DDC a few weeks ago. As the

| > standards

| > | > are constantly being revised, it would be best to review the

standards

| > | from

| > | > both the time period for the VISTA computer and the monitor if a

| > technical

| > | > review is what is desired. also, the monitors actual electrical

| > schematic

| > | >

| > | > I would check the pins and connectors on the 98 box to ensure full

| > | contact.

| > | > One might try disabling VESA-DPMS on the VISTA machine [if

possible]

| or

| > | > Power States. OR waiting several hours without power [electrical

and

| > via

| > | > connections] to the monitor to see if the monitor clears. My Epson

| > clears

| > | > after about 4 or 5 hours YMMV.

| > | > As a *never recommended* option, pull the monitor connection from

the

| > | VISTA

| > | > box while running and see if it leaves it in the proper state for 98

| > use,

| > | > OR.disconnecting just before the final shut off of VISTA.

| > | >

| > | > Best option, buy another monitor and stop changing them around.

| > | >

| > |

| > | Well that was a good observation!

| > |

| > | But still, even if Vista had set the monitor to the sleep state...

| > | the re-introduction of the H-sync and V-sync signal should have reset

| the

| > | monitor...

| > |

| > | If not, the monitor may have a re-set button

| > | or option

| > |

| >

| > Reset button? Where the heck and on what CRT monitor do you find a reset

| > button? Degauz maybe... if it has one it couldn't hurt to press it.

| >

| > Ah no, not necessarily, part of the various specification compliances is

| > retained state [or at least it was when I read some information, of

course

| > that may have just been proposed]..... any OPTION would be via software

| with

| > the monitor running VISUALLY {unless one has video reset software}, and

| > H-sync and V-sync WOULD likely work, but perhaps only FROM a fully

| > compatible VESA DPMS compliant computer or video card as its apparently

| > stuck in that mode [leaving VISTA activities out of the picture for this

| > portion of the discussion] OR it has issues with some internal part/chip

| OR

| > .... well there's a lot of ORs and a few ANDs.... and a couple wild

| guesses

| >

| > If the poster is still around, we COULD find out if the compliance on

the

| > 98 box is compatible [video manufacturer/model/chipset], and several

other

| > issues, like motherboard, BIOS support [and settings if remembered],

last

| > time used, and other...

| >

|

| All the monitors I've ever worked on has an on-screen menu...

| of course since the OP seems to be gone now...who knows for sure what the

| situation was.

|

| > --

| > _________

| >

| > | > --