Microsoft Taking Official Petitions to Keep XP Alive

[Guest Dave]

Re: Microsoft Taking Official Petitions to Keep XP Alive

 

Rene Brehmer wrote:

> On Fri, 30 May 2008 06:25:56 -0700, dave wrote:

>

>> David wrote:

>>

>>> Windows XP is fast, RELIABLE, and meets the needs of the vast majority

>>> of PC users

>>>

>> Huh!? XP is klunky and wastes resources. Puppy Linux works better for

>> most routine tasks.

>

> Yes, but Vista takes the cake as the worst piece of crap to come out of

> Richmond yet. I'm surprised noone's taken them to court yet for selling a

> clearly unfinished product as anything but a beta.

>

> I work with Windows all day. That's why we have a Mac at home.

Redmond?

[Guest Dave]

Re: Microsoft Taking Official Petitions to Keep XP Alive

 

Billy Smith wrote:

>

> "Rene Brehmer" <rene@metalbunny.net> wrote in message

> news:1v0tie1m9l70g$.qlzqjiap3bc0$.dlg@40tude.net...

>> On Fri, 30 May 2008 06:25:56 -0700, dave wrote:

>>

>>> David wrote:

>>>

>>>>

>>>> Windows XP is fast, RELIABLE, and meets the needs of the vast majority

>>>> of PC users

>>>>

>>> Huh!? XP is klunky and wastes resources. Puppy Linux works better for

>>> most routine tasks.

>>

>> Yes, but Vista takes the cake as the worst piece of crap to come out of

>> Richmond yet. I'm surprised noone's taken them to court yet for selling a

>> clearly unfinished product as anything but a beta.

>>

>> I work with Windows all day. That's why we have a Mac at home.

>> --

>> Rene Brehmer

>> IT Technician

>>

>> North Hill Inn

>> http://www.northhillinn.com

>

> That's funny. I have three computers running on Vista utilizing them

> playing music, movies, word processing, document saving, and about every

> application you can use. No problems here just as long as you really

> know what you are doing. Maybe its not the software causing the problem

> but the user not knowing how to properly operate the computer.

 

I'm running a 1.5 gHz Via C7D WalMart box that cost $200. It does all

of the above and I have no idea what I'm doing.

 

http://www.ubuntu.com

[Guest Dave]

Re: Microsoft Taking Official Petitions to Keep XP Alive

 

clifto wrote:

> Billy Smith wrote:

>> "Rene Brehmer" <rene@metalbunny.net> wrote in message

>> news:1v0tie1m9l70g$.qlzqjiap3bc0$.dlg@40tude.net...

>>> On Fri, 30 May 2008 06:25:56 -0700, dave wrote:

>>>

>>>> David wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> Windows XP is fast, RELIABLE, and meets the needs of the vast majority

>>>>> of PC users

>>>>>

>>>> Huh!? XP is klunky and wastes resources. Puppy Linux works better for

>>>> most routine tasks.

>>> Yes, but Vista takes the cake as the worst piece of crap to come out of

>>> Richmond yet. I'm surprised noone's taken them to court yet for selling a

>>> clearly unfinished product as anything but a beta.

>>>

>>> I work with Windows all day. That's why we have a Mac at home.

>>> --

>>> Rene Brehmer

>>> IT Technician

>>>

>>> North Hill Inn

>>> http://www.northhillinn.com

>> That's funny. I have three computers running on Vista utilizing them playing

>> music, movies, word processing, document saving, and about every application

>> you can use. No problems here just as long as you really know what you are

>> doing. Maybe its not the software causing the problem but the user not

>> knowing how to properly operate the computer.

>

> Or the owner not being able to afford a 900 terahertz 16-core processor

> with 100 terabytes of memory.

>

Amen, brother!

[Guest Dave]

Re: Microsoft Taking Official Petitions to Keep XP Alive

 

Billy Smith wrote:

>

> "clifto" <clifto@gmail.com> wrote in message

> news:2oo6h5-899.ln1@remote.clifto.com...

>> Billy Smith wrote:

>>> "Rene Brehmer" <rene@metalbunny.net> wrote in message

>>> news:1v0tie1m9l70g$.qlzqjiap3bc0$.dlg@40tude.net...

>>>> On Fri, 30 May 2008 06:25:56 -0700, dave wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> David wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Windows XP is fast, RELIABLE, and meets the needs of the vast

>>>>>> majority

>>>>>> of PC users

>>>>>>

>>>>> Huh!? XP is klunky and wastes resources. Puppy Linux works better

>>>>> for

>>>>> most routine tasks.

>>>>

>>>> Yes, but Vista takes the cake as the worst piece of crap to come out of

>>>> Richmond yet. I'm surprised noone's taken them to court yet for

>>>> selling a

>>>> clearly unfinished product as anything but a beta.

>>>>

>>>> I work with Windows all day. That's why we have a Mac at home.

>>>> --

>>>> Rene Brehmer

>>>> IT Technician

>>>>

>>>> North Hill Inn

>>>> http://www.northhillinn.com

>>>

>>> That's funny. I have three computers running on Vista utilizing them

>>> playing

>>> music, movies, word processing, document saving, and about every

>>> application

>>> you can use. No problems here just as long as you really know what

>>> you are

>>> doing. Maybe its not the software causing the problem but the user not

>>> knowing how to properly operate the computer.

>>

>> Or the owner not being able to afford a 900 terahertz 16-core processor

>> with 100 terabytes of memory.

>>

>

> What makes this interesting to me is that I paid 200 dollars for the

> desktop computer brand new out of the box at Circuit City. Computer was

> originally 409 dollars and discounted to 200. Worked great right out of

> the box. I didn't have a bit of problem with that computer and its about

> a year old. Next pieces I bought were two laptops one from last August

> and the other this February. HP for both of them and spent 1500 for both

> of them in total. Both with 1 GB of ram apiece. 160 GB drive on one and

> 250 GB on the other. AMD processor on both 2.0 Ghz plus speed. So

> basically 700 bucks for one laptop and 800 for another. I've been seeing

> desktops for maybe 500-700 which is pretty reasonable.

 

And these miracle babies all run Vista flawlessly?

[Guest clifto]

Re: Microsoft Taking Official Petitions to Keep XP Alive

 

Billy Smith wrote:

> "clifto" <clifto@gmail.com> wrote in message

> news:2oo6h5-899.ln1@remote.clifto.com...

>> Or the owner not being able to afford a 900 terahertz 16-core processor

>> with 100 terabytes of memory.

>>

>

> What makes this interesting to me is that I paid 200 dollars for the desktop

> computer brand new out of the box at Circuit City.

 

The first computer I ever booted Vista on was a friend's laptop, a quad-core

Intel something near 3 GHz. It took over ten minutes to boot this almost-

brand-new-with-nothing-added computer.

 

--

"On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes

- and I see many of them in the audience here today - our sense of patriotism

is particularly strong." -- Barack Obama's seance

[Guest Allen]

Re: Microsoft Taking Official Petitions to Keep XP Alive

 

RHF wrote:

> On May 31, 3:52 am, barnegatdx <barnega...@aol.com> wrote:

>> On May 30, 7:08 pm, "Billy Smith" <chungkingchungk...@yahoo.com>

>> wrote:

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>> "Rene Brehmer" <r...@metalbunny.net> wrote in message

>>> news:1v0tie1m9l70g$.qlzqjiap3bc0$.dlg@40tude.net...

>>>> On Fri, 30 May 2008 06:25:56 -0700, dave wrote:

>>>>> David wrote:

>>>>>> Windows XP is fast, RELIABLE, and meets the needs of the vast majority

>>>>>> of PC users

>>>>> Huh!? XP is klunky and wastes resources. Puppy Linux works better for

>>>>> most routine tasks.

>>>> Yes, but Vista takes the cake as the worst piece of crap to come out of

>>>> Richmond yet. I'm surprised noone's taken them to court yet for selling a

>>>> clearly unfinished product as anything but a beta.

>>>> I work with Windows all day. That's why we have a Mac at home.

>>>> --

>>>> Rene Brehmer

>>>> IT Technician

>>>> North Hill Inn

>>>> http://www.northhillinn.com

>>> That's funny. I have three computers running on Vista utilizing them playing

>>> music, movies, word processing, document saving, and about every application

>>> you can use. No problems here just as long as you really know what you are

>>> doing. Maybe its not the software causing the problem but the user not

>>> knowing how to properly operate the computer.

>> Probably get the same performance with Windows XP but with Hundreds

>> of dollars less hardware

>>

>> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=vista+sucks&btnG=Google+Search

>>

>> - Or with something FREEEE ! Like Ubuntu

>>

>> they say in the future, you'll just need a computer and a browser,

>>

>> meanwhile, theres a petition you can sign,

>>

>> http://weblog.infoworld.com/save-xp/

>>

>> It'd be nice to have a reliable, standardized OS available for sale

>> June 30, 2008- Hide quoted text -

>>

>> - Show quoted text -

>

> Wal*Mart is still selling some Dell Computers

> with XP installed as the OS.

So is Dell, until June 18.

Allen

[Guest RHF]

Re: Microsoft Taking Official Petitions to Keep XP Alive

 

On May 31, 7:03 am, Allen <al...@nothere.net> wrote:

> RHF wrote:

> > On May 31, 3:52 am, barnegatdx <barnega...@aol.com> wrote:

> >> On May 30, 7:08 pm, "Billy Smith" <chungkingchungk...@yahoo.com>

> >> wrote:

>

> >>> "Rene Brehmer" <r...@metalbunny.net> wrote in message

> >>>news:1v0tie1m9l70g$.qlzqjiap3bc0$.dlg@40tude.net...

> >>>> On Fri, 30 May 2008 06:25:56 -0700, dave wrote:

> >>>>> David wrote:

> >>>>>> Windows XP is fast, RELIABLE, and meets the needs of the vast majority

> >>>>>> of PC users

> >>>>> Huh!?  XP is klunky and wastes resources.  Puppy Linux works better for

> >>>>> most routine tasks.

> >>>> Yes, but Vista takes the cake as the worst piece of crap to come out of

> >>>> Richmond yet. I'm surprised noone's taken them to court yet for selling a

> >>>> clearly unfinished product as anything but a beta.

> >>>> I work with Windows all day. That's why we have a Mac at home.

> >>>> --

> >>>> Rene Brehmer

> >>>> IT Technician

> >>>> North Hill Inn

> >>>>http://www.northhillinn.com

> >>> That's funny. I have three computers running on Vista utilizing them playing

> >>> music, movies, word processing, document saving, and about every application

> >>> you can use. No problems here just as long as you really know what you are

> >>> doing. Maybe its not the software causing the problem but the user not

> >>> knowing how to properly operate the computer.

> >> Probably get the same performance with Windows XP  but with  Hundreds

> >> of dollars less hardware

>

> >>http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=vista+sucks&btnG=Google+Search

>

> >> - Or with something FREEEE ! Like Ubuntu

>

> >> they say in the future, you'll just need a computer and a browser,

>

> >> meanwhile, theres a petition you can sign,

>

> >>http://weblog.infoworld.com/save-xp/

>

> >> It'd be nice to have a reliable, standardized OS available for sale

> >> June 30, 2008- Hide quoted text -

>

> >> - Show quoted text -

 

- - Wal*Mart is still selling some Dell Computers

- - with XP installed as the OS.

 

- So is Dell, until June 18.

- Allen

 

Buy Now -otherwise-it's- Hasta la Vista Baby !

.

[Guest Billy Smith]

Re: Microsoft Taking Official Petitions to Keep XP Alive

 

 

"Dave" <nospam@biteme.com> wrote in message

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> Billy Smith wrote:

>>

>> "clifto" <clifto@gmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:2oo6h5-899.ln1@remote.clifto.com...

>>> Billy Smith wrote:

>>>> "Rene Brehmer" <rene@metalbunny.net> wrote in message

>>>> news:1v0tie1m9l70g$.qlzqjiap3bc0$.dlg@40tude.net...

>>>>> On Fri, 30 May 2008 06:25:56 -0700, dave wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> David wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Windows XP is fast, RELIABLE, and meets the needs of the vast

>>>>>>> majority

>>>>>>> of PC users

>>>>>>>

>>>>>> Huh!? XP is klunky and wastes resources. Puppy Linux works better

>>>>>> for

>>>>>> most routine tasks.

>>>>>

>>>>> Yes, but Vista takes the cake as the worst piece of crap to come out

>>>>> of

>>>>> Richmond yet. I'm surprised noone's taken them to court yet for

>>>>> selling a

>>>>> clearly unfinished product as anything but a beta.

>>>>>

>>>>> I work with Windows all day. That's why we have a Mac at home.

>>>>> --

>>>>> Rene Brehmer

>>>>> IT Technician

>>>>>

>>>>> North Hill Inn

>>>>> http://www.northhillinn.com

>>>>

>>>> That's funny. I have three computers running on Vista utilizing them

>>>> playing

>>>> music, movies, word processing, document saving, and about every

>>>> application

>>>> you can use. No problems here just as long as you really know what you

>>>> are

>>>> doing. Maybe its not the software causing the problem but the user not

>>>> knowing how to properly operate the computer.

>>>

>>> Or the owner not being able to afford a 900 terahertz 16-core processor

>>> with 100 terabytes of memory.

>>>

>>

>> What makes this interesting to me is that I paid 200 dollars for the

>> desktop computer brand new out of the box at Circuit City. Computer was

>> originally 409 dollars and discounted to 200. Worked great right out of

>> the box. I didn't have a bit of problem with that computer and its about

>> a year old. Next pieces I bought were two laptops one from last August

>> and the other this February. HP for both of them and spent 1500 for both

>> of them in total. Both with 1 GB of ram apiece. 160 GB drive on one and

>> 250 GB on the other. AMD processor on both 2.0 Ghz plus speed. So

>> basically 700 bucks for one laptop and 800 for another. I've been seeing

>> desktops for maybe 500-700 which is pretty reasonable.

>

> And these miracle babies all run Vista flawlessly?

 

I don't have a bit of a problem with Vista. Its called keeping your computer

system clear of garbage, file clutter, and everything else that someone who

has the money to afford a computer should know. I don't have system crash

problems such as certain programs crashing. Its called keeping your file

structures clean and having good equipment to work with. I've got 85 percent

of one computer filled with audio files, documents, etc. Not a bit of a

problem keeping it running. Not to mention watching Netflix videos and

everything else on there. This computer I have had since August 2007. Maybe

had to reboot once due to a program getting all locked up and not

responding. Otherwise, learn your stuff. I've been working on computers

since well into the 1980s in fact having a Commodore and all of that sort of

thing. I've used Windows 95, 98, Millenium Edition, XP and now Vista. I've

had the least problems out of Vista than any of the older models. I think

people forget when 95 would crash quite often. 98 was quite a bit better.

Millenium was nothing to write home about.

 

In fact, I also have three working XP machines. All of which suit my

purposes but personally I've found that XP and its supporting programs you

run on XP tend to be slow and choppy in performance. It tends to lock up

more frequently than I have ever seen Vista do. When it doesn't lock up the

computer on XP, it tends to slow applications. One fix for that might be

adding some RAM to supercharge the computer. That always helps. Might cost

you 100 bucks these days to do that but if you're picky its well worth it.

 

I run this Vista computer for mostly multimedia purposes and web browsing. I

haven't rarely had a coughing fit out of it. Nothing like what older models

did. XP included.

[Guest Billy Smith]

Re: Microsoft Taking Official Petitions to Keep XP Alive

 

 

"clifto" <clifto@gmail.com> wrote in message

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> Billy Smith wrote:

>> "clifto" <clifto@gmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:2oo6h5-899.ln1@remote.clifto.com...

>>> Or the owner not being able to afford a 900 terahertz 16-core processor

>>> with 100 terabytes of memory.

>>>

>>

>> What makes this interesting to me is that I paid 200 dollars for the

>> desktop

>> computer brand new out of the box at Circuit City.

>

> The first computer I ever booted Vista on was a friend's laptop, a

> quad-core

> Intel something near 3 GHz. It took over ten minutes to boot this almost-

> brand-new-with-nothing-added computer.

>

> --

> "On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen

> heroes

> - and I see many of them in the audience here today - our sense of

> patriotism

> is particularly strong." -- Barack Obama's seance

 

Its never taken me ten minutes to boot any of my computers. What I will

recommend is not to have a lot of stuff in your start menu Some people go

crazy with that and thats a big problem whether you were running 95,98, XP,

or Vista. It takes mine maybe 2 to 3 minutes max which is good time to get

some coffee, use the can, or make a quick phone call. Then with Insight 10.0

and wireless router and the built in wireless card, we are ready to go.

[Guest Dave]

Re: Microsoft Taking Official Petitions to Keep XP Alive

 

Billy Smith wrote:

>> B> I run this Vista computer for mostly multimedia purposes and web

> browsing. I haven't rarely had a coughing fit out of it. Nothing like

> what older models did. XP included.

 

You can do that stuff way faster on a Linux box. And with a lot less

risk and hassle.

[Guest Dave]

Re: Microsoft Taking Official Petitions to Keep XP Alive

 

Billy Smith wrote:

>

> Its never taken me ten minutes to boot any of my computers. What I will

> recommend is not to have a lot of stuff in your start menu Some people

> go crazy with that and thats a big problem whether you were running

> 95,98, XP, or Vista. It takes mine maybe 2 to 3 minutes max which is

> good time to get some coffee, use the can, or make a quick phone call.

> Then with Insight 10.0 and wireless router and the built in wireless

> card, we are ready to go.

 

My eeepc (screaming 630 Megahertz Celeron) goes from cold start to

Xubuntu in ca. 50 seconds. My full-on Ubuntu desktop takes 90 seconds,

with a 1.5 gHz Via C7.

[Guest Billy Smith]

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"Dave" <nospam@biteme.com> wrote in message

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> Billy Smith wrote:

>

>>> B> I run this Vista computer for mostly multimedia purposes and web

>> browsing. I haven't rarely had a coughing fit out of it. Nothing like

>> what older models did. XP included.

>

> You can do that stuff way faster on a Linux box. And with a lot less risk

> and hassle.

 

Linux is generally crap. I know because I installed it on a couple of my

machines. It caused more problems using that crap and utilizing software

than anything I have ever seen. Pure garbage. Just about like that other

computer operating system called the Mac. I wouldn't have a Mac for toilet

paper. Every Mac I saw ran like crap and you couldn't do 1/3 of what you can

do on a Windows based Machine. That comes from a lot of personal experience

with Mac based stuff back in the 90s and early part of this decade.

 

It might be great now but back in those days they should have called it Crap

versus Mac.

[Guest Canuck57]

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"Billy Smith" <chungkingchungking@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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>

> "Dave" <nospam@biteme.com> wrote in message

> news:H7WdndbTffhKJdzVnZ2dnUVZ_tninZ2d@earthlink.com...

>> Billy Smith wrote:

>>

>>>> B> I run this Vista computer for mostly multimedia purposes and web

>>> browsing. I haven't rarely had a coughing fit out of it. Nothing like

>>> what older models did. XP included.

>>

>> You can do that stuff way faster on a Linux box. And with a lot less

>> risk and hassle.

>

> Linux is generally crap. I know because I installed it on a couple of my

> machines. It caused more problems using that crap and utilizing software

> than anything I have ever seen. Pure garbage. Just about like that other

> computer operating system called the Mac. I wouldn't have a Mac for toilet

> paper. Every Mac I saw ran like crap and you couldn't do 1/3 of what you

> can do on a Windows based Machine. That comes from a lot of personal

> experience with Mac based stuff back in the 90s and early part of this

> decade.

>

> It might be great now but back in those days they should have called it

> Crap versus Mac.

 

Linux and Apple have their place, and with your comments I doubt you have

ever owned an Apple.

 

The HUGE benefit of Linux over say Vista is Linux is not DRM invasive.

[Guest Billy Smith]

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"Frank" <fb@tpi.olm> wrote in message

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> Rene Brehmer wrote:

>

>>

>>

>>

> Yes, but Vista takes the cake as the worst piece of crap...

>

> Sorry, but that is simply not true.

>

> to come out of Richmond yet.

>

> Richmond? You must mean Redmond right?

>

>

> I'm surprised noone's taken them to court yet for selling a

>> clearly unfinished product as anything but a beta.

>

> So you're saying you can't get your install of Vista to run properly?

> Which version of Vista do you have, and exactly what problem do you have?

> Frank

 

I have three different Vista based computers. All of which run quite well

and very few hiccups. See what it seems to be to me is that a lot of people

expect their computer to run perfectly and flawlessly every day, every time,

every second even though they won't defragment their hard drives, keep their

computers, clean, and have a decent level of knowledge about how to install

their programs and their computer.

 

They don't bother to learn the ins and outs of a computer and its hardware

much less try to do anything with software. I am not a programmer and its

really not my interest or desire to do that for a career or fun. However, I

do know what works and what doesn't and I know how to make what doesn't

work, work and keep what does work running efficiently.

 

I've been working with computers probably 20 plus years at this point.

Sometimes spending 8 to 10 hours a day working at one. Depends on what I

like to do. Sometimes its listening to podcasts, music, or watching DVD

video on online fare. Other times its word processing, ham software, design

software, and things of that type. Sometimes its just web browsing, online

audio and streaming audio ran through the computer all night long with no

problems.

 

I've had computers back in the Windows 95 and 98 DAYS that crashed. In fact,

I can't count how many times I had a 95 based system crash and then have to

reinstall everything. 98 was a much more stable system largely because it

was more developed. Millenium Edition was pretty marginal at best.

 

XP was probably the best version to come out versus all of the prior

systems. Least problems with crashing which meant you could keep your data

and not be constantly reinstalling the software and all your programs.

 

Vista hasn't given me a bare minimum of trouble. Its all about knowing how

to use it and how to utilize what you have in front of you. For rookies, you

might learn how the Ctrl-Alt-Delete function works that way if a program

becomes unstable due to not loading correctly or operating effectively, that

you can back out of the program and start again. Also, learn in your Task

Manager how to pull out of programs without hitting the programs and instead

find the Processes menu and learn which programs you are running and how you

can shut those programs down just in case Applications locks up. That does

happen on all versions of Microsoft software.

 

For the Linux supporters out there, it would be a great concept for the vast

majority of system users except that often the software is in no way

interchangeable between a Windows environment and a Linux environment. Not

to mention that Linux leaves a little bit to be desired as far as operator

functions go. There are some speed benefits to Linux especially in program

loading, booting up, and overall operation. Its a faster system. The only

problem is that you have to figure out what version can actually work well

with your system. All versions of Linux are not the same. Ive used Mandrake

before and it was useless for the most part. So I scrapped that plan and

went back to Microsoft based applications.

 

Its really all about what your level of comfort and experience are in using

a PC. If you don't know, then perhaps you should take a class in basic

computer operations and hardware that way you know what is needed to

actually run it. No matter how easy Microsoft makes the system, there will

always be someone there to screw things up. No matter how good the

programmer is, there is always going to be glitches in the system. Every

occupation I've ever worked in always had its share of problems either with

equipment or those running the equipment. Running a personal computer is no

different

[Guest Billy Smith]

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"Canuck57" <dave-no_spam@unixhome.net> wrote in message

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>

> "Billy Smith" <chungkingchungking@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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>>

>> "Dave" <nospam@biteme.com> wrote in message

>> news:H7WdndbTffhKJdzVnZ2dnUVZ_tninZ2d@earthlink.com...

>>> Billy Smith wrote:

>>>

>>>>> B> I run this Vista computer for mostly multimedia purposes and web

>>>> browsing. I haven't rarely had a coughing fit out of it. Nothing like

>>>> what older models did. XP included.

>>>

>>> You can do that stuff way faster on a Linux box. And with a lot less

>>> risk and hassle.

>>

>> Linux is generally crap. I know because I installed it on a couple of my

>> machines. It caused more problems using that crap and utilizing software

>> than anything I have ever seen. Pure garbage. Just about like that other

>> computer operating system called the Mac. I wouldn't have a Mac for

>> toilet paper. Every Mac I saw ran like crap and you couldn't do 1/3 of

>> what you can do on a Windows based Machine. That comes from a lot of

>> personal experience with Mac based stuff back in the 90s and early part

>> of this decade.

>>

>> It might be great now but back in those days they should have called it

>> Crap versus Mac.

>

> Linux and Apple have their place, and with your comments I doubt you have

> ever owned an Apple.

>

> The HUGE benefit of Linux over say Vista is Linux is not DRM invasive.

 

I never owned an apple but I used to have a lot of experience running the

Apple/Mac system. I wasn't impressed with anything that it could allegedly

do. Personally it was like an overhyped Ipod phone or Touch. A lot of glitz

but little real performance. Not user friendly, not even for the novice. I

probably spent at least a year on that sort of a system and I was none too

impressed. Thats why Mac will never catch up to Microsoft in anything. The

only people I personally knew that used Macs were kids wanting to use it for

graphics. For business operations, office work, etc, it was never worth

anything. I wouldn't even give a Mac system the time of day for even audio

listening or multimedia video and audio.

 

If Macs were so proficient and useful, then why in the hell doesn't everyone

in the world switch to Macs. Since there is a free market in computers and a

great deal of industriousness and ingenuity in the computer industry, then

Macs should be right up there. Not to mention the facts are that a Microsoft

based system can be had for 300 to 1000 dolllars and a good one at that.

 

What does a Crap cost? I was in the local Apple store recently here in

Louisville KY. It was laughable that they wanted twice as much as any

Microsoft PC and with less performance capabilities, less general respect.

You'll see who buried who in the computer systems operating business

environment. It sure wasn't Mac. Probably more people use Linux than Mac and

thats sad.

[Guest David]

Re: Microsoft Taking Official Petitions to Keep XP Alive

 

On May 31, 4:49 pm, Dave <nos...@biteme.com> wrote:

> Billy Smith wrote:

>

> > Its never taken me ten minutes to boot any of my computers. What I will

> > recommend is not to have a lot of stuff in your start menu Some people

> > go crazy with that and thats a big problem whether you were running

> > 95,98, XP, or Vista. It takes mine maybe 2 to 3 minutes max which is

> > good time to get some coffee, use the can, or make a quick phone call.

> > Then with Insight 10.0 and wireless router and the built in wireless

> > card, we are ready to go.

>

> My eeepc (screaming 630 Megahertz Celeron) goes from cold start to

> Xubuntu in ca. 50 seconds. My full-on Ubuntu desktop takes 90 seconds,

> with a 1.5 gHz Via C7.

 

 

 

Dell, 2.2 Gig Pentium 4,

One gig memory

7200 RPM Disk

35 Meg bus:

 

0 - XP Desktop == 33 seconds

 

0 - Ubuntu Login screen 28 seconds.

[Guest Pete KE9OA]

Re: Microsoft Taking Official Petitions to Keep XP Alive

 

I haven't had any experience with Vista, but XP Professional has been

running for several years, with no problems. I have some processes such as

prefetch, Messenger, and autorun disabled. The only update I have installed

is Service Pack 2. I ordered the CD from Microsoft several years ago. IE6,

with its multiple security holes runs much better than IE7. I purged that

browser. I use Firefox as my internet browser........it seems to have

tighter security.

Linux is still my favorite operating platform, but unfortunately, it is

incompatible with the electrical engineering programs that I use. When it

eventually grows up, I thing Linux will be the way to go. Microsoft has a

tendency to write quite a bit of "bloatware", but they do a better job of

coding their operating system than I would ever be able to do.

I have heard quite a few bad things about Vista, but I have heard quite a

few bad things about some radio equipment, such as the Eton E1.

When I spoke to the person over at R.L. Drake who does the repair on these

radios, he stated that very few of the E1s come in for repair. Maybe people

just throw them in the dumpster out of frustration!

The point is........sometimes sour grapes tend to exaggerate problems that

might turn up. I don't have the answer on that one.

 

Pete

 

"Billy Smith" <chungkingchungking@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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>

> "Dave" <nospam@biteme.com> wrote in message

> news:arudnf5orNZSzdzVnZ2dnUVZ_hudnZ2d@earthlink.com...

>> Billy Smith wrote:

>>>

>>> "clifto" <clifto@gmail.com> wrote in message

>>> news:2oo6h5-899.ln1@remote.clifto.com...

>>>> Billy Smith wrote:

>>>>> "Rene Brehmer" <rene@metalbunny.net> wrote in message

>>>>> news:1v0tie1m9l70g$.qlzqjiap3bc0$.dlg@40tude.net...

>>>>>> On Fri, 30 May 2008 06:25:56 -0700, dave wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> David wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Windows XP is fast, RELIABLE, and meets the needs of the vast

>>>>>>>> majority

>>>>>>>> of PC users

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Huh!? XP is klunky and wastes resources. Puppy Linux works better

>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>> most routine tasks.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Yes, but Vista takes the cake as the worst piece of crap to come out

>>>>>> of

>>>>>> Richmond yet. I'm surprised noone's taken them to court yet for

>>>>>> selling a

>>>>>> clearly unfinished product as anything but a beta.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I work with Windows all day. That's why we have a Mac at home.

>>>>>> --

>>>>>> Rene Brehmer

>>>>>> IT Technician

>>>>>>

>>>>>> North Hill Inn

>>>>>> http://www.northhillinn.com

>>>>>

>>>>> That's funny. I have three computers running on Vista utilizing them

>>>>> playing

>>>>> music, movies, word processing, document saving, and about every

>>>>> application

>>>>> you can use. No problems here just as long as you really know what you

>>>>> are

>>>>> doing. Maybe its not the software causing the problem but the user not

>>>>> knowing how to properly operate the computer.

>>>>

>>>> Or the owner not being able to afford a 900 terahertz 16-core processor

>>>> with 100 terabytes of memory.

>>>>

>>>

>>> What makes this interesting to me is that I paid 200 dollars for the

>>> desktop computer brand new out of the box at Circuit City. Computer was

>>> originally 409 dollars and discounted to 200. Worked great right out of

>>> the box. I didn't have a bit of problem with that computer and its about

>>> a year old. Next pieces I bought were two laptops one from last August

>>> and the other this February. HP for both of them and spent 1500 for both

>>> of them in total. Both with 1 GB of ram apiece. 160 GB drive on one and

>>> 250 GB on the other. AMD processor on both 2.0 Ghz plus speed. So

>>> basically 700 bucks for one laptop and 800 for another. I've been seeing

>>> desktops for maybe 500-700 which is pretty reasonable.

>>

>> And these miracle babies all run Vista flawlessly?

>

> I don't have a bit of a problem with Vista. Its called keeping your

> computer system clear of garbage, file clutter, and everything else that

> someone who has the money to afford a computer should know. I don't have

> system crash problems such as certain programs crashing. Its called

> keeping your file structures clean and having good equipment to work with.

> I've got 85 percent of one computer filled with audio files, documents,

> etc. Not a bit of a problem keeping it running. Not to mention watching

> Netflix videos and everything else on there. This computer I have had

> since August 2007. Maybe had to reboot once due to a program getting all

> locked up and not responding. Otherwise, learn your stuff. I've been

> working on computers since well into the 1980s in fact having a Commodore

> and all of that sort of thing. I've used Windows 95, 98, Millenium

> Edition, XP and now Vista. I've had the least problems out of Vista than

> any of the older models. I think people forget when 95 would crash quite

> often. 98 was quite a bit better. Millenium was nothing to write home

> about.

>

> In fact, I also have three working XP machines. All of which suit my

> purposes but personally I've found that XP and its supporting programs you

> run on XP tend to be slow and choppy in performance. It tends to lock up

> more frequently than I have ever seen Vista do. When it doesn't lock up

> the computer on XP, it tends to slow applications. One fix for that might

> be adding some RAM to supercharge the computer. That always helps. Might

> cost you 100 bucks these days to do that but if you're picky its well

> worth it.

>

> I run this Vista computer for mostly multimedia purposes and web browsing.

> I haven't rarely had a coughing fit out of it. Nothing like what older

> models did. XP included.

[Guest ANONYMOUS]

Re: Microsoft Taking Official Petitions to Keep XP Alive

 

 

Whether or not Microsoft stops supporting Windows XP, there is nothing to stop you from

using Windows XP for life. You can use it until you get fed up of it or until you feel

that it is time to update your own IT skills and keep up with the rest of the world! Or

you could go and live in Amazon Forest where they don't need computers

<http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7427417.stm>.

 

You don't need MS agreement for this and if you need any assistance, you can always post

your queries here and some crackpot like you will post a solution for you even if it is 31

May 2018!!

 

hth

 

 

Clear Windows wrote:

> http://www.neowin.net/news/main/08/05/30/microsoft-taking-official-petitions-to-keep-xp

>

> If you can remember back a few weeks, Steve Ballmer went on record saying

> that Microsoft would consider extending the life of Windows XP if enough

> people asked for it. Afterall, many people don't want to upgrade to Windows

> Vista because they are perfectly content with XP. The problem was there was

> no way to ask for it. Sure, you could sign one of the many online petitions,

> but Microsoft considers those "non-official complaints" and the rest of us

> simply consider them silly.

>

> Well, word has been passed down to the tech support teams (and then on to

> Neowin) that they are to begin logging any calls that come in for the sole

> purpose of requesting an extension to the retail life of Windows XP. The

> calls will be logged and, if enough complaints are filed, Microsoft will

> consider giving XP some more time (no pinky promises, though).

>

> If you wish to file an official petition yourself, you can simply call the

> Windows XP Home Edition support numbers for your country and let the

> operator know that you wish to file an official complaint. Because we're so

> nice and want to save you the trouble, here are the numbers for a majority

> of Neowin's visitors:

>

> United States: (866) 234-6020

> United Kingdom: 0870 60 10 100

> Canada: (800) 936-8479

>

> If your country isn't listed, you can visit the Microsoft Support Site,

> choose your country, choose Windows XP Home Edition as your product and then

> go to 'Contacts' for the appropriate support number.

>

[Guest Dave]

Re: Microsoft Taking Official Petitions to Keep XP Alive

 

Billy Smith wrote:

>

> "Dave" <nospam@biteme.com> wrote in message

> news:H7WdndbTffhKJdzVnZ2dnUVZ_tninZ2d@earthlink.com...

>> Billy Smith wrote:

>>

>>>> B> I run this Vista computer for mostly multimedia purposes and web

>>> browsing. I haven't rarely had a coughing fit out of it. Nothing like

>>> what older models did. XP included.

>>

>> You can do that stuff way faster on a Linux box. And with a lot less

>> risk and hassle.

>

> Linux is generally crap. I know because I installed it on a couple of my

> machines. It caused more problems using that crap and utilizing software

> than anything I have ever seen. Pure garbage. Just about like that other

> computer operating system called the Mac. I wouldn't have a Mac for

> toilet paper. Every Mac I saw ran like crap and you couldn't do 1/3 of

> what you can do on a Windows based Machine. That comes from a lot of

> personal experience with Mac based stuff back in the 90s and early part

> of this decade.

>

> It might be great now but back in those days they should have called it

> Crap versus Mac.

 

I defer to your obvious expertise.

[Guest Dave]

Re: Microsoft Taking Official Petitions to Keep XP Alive

 

Billy Smith wrote:

> Vista hasn't given me a bare minimum of trouble.

This is the second post with the same double negative used to describe

your lack of problems; Freudian slip?

[Guest Dave]

Re: Microsoft Taking Official Petitions to Keep XP Alive

 

David wrote:

> On May 31, 4:49 pm, Dave <nos...@biteme.com> wrote:

>> Billy Smith wrote:

>>

>>> Its never taken me ten minutes to boot any of my computers. What I will

>>> recommend is not to have a lot of stuff in your start menu Some people

>>> go crazy with that and thats a big problem whether you were running

>>> 95,98, XP, or Vista. It takes mine maybe 2 to 3 minutes max which is

>>> good time to get some coffee, use the can, or make a quick phone call.

>>> Then with Insight 10.0 and wireless router and the built in wireless

>>> card, we are ready to go.

>> My eeepc (screaming 630 Megahertz Celeron) goes from cold start to

>> Xubuntu in ca. 50 seconds. My full-on Ubuntu desktop takes 90 seconds,

>> with a 1.5 gHz Via C7.

>

>

>

> Dell, 2.2 Gig Pentium 4,

> One gig memory

> 7200 RPM Disk

> 35 Meg bus:

>

> 0 - XP Desktop == 33 seconds

>

> 0 - Ubuntu Login screen 28 seconds.

>

 

I use 12 Watts on my desktop tower.

[Guest Dave]

Re: Microsoft Taking Official Petitions to Keep XP Alive

 

Pete KE9OA wrote:

>

> Linux is still my favorite operating platform, but unfortunately, it is

> incompatible with the electrical engineering programs that I use. When it

> eventually grows up, I thing Linux will be the way to go.

 

Adolescence? Prepubescence?

 

http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/electronics/

[Guest RHF]

Re: Microsoft Taking Official Petitions to Keep XP Alive

 

On May 31, 2:16 pm, "Billy Smith" <chungkingchungk...@yahoo.com>

wrote:

> "Canuck57" <dave-no_s...@unixhome.net> wrote in message

>

> news:m2j0k.309335$pM4.146740@pd7urf1no...

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> > "Billy Smith" <chungkingchungk...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

> >news:zLmdnevejfyBJ9zVnZ2dnUVZ_r6rnZ2d@earthlink.com...

>

> >> "Dave" <nos...@biteme.com> wrote in message

> >>news:H7WdndbTffhKJdzVnZ2dnUVZ_tninZ2d@earthlink.com...

> >>> Billy Smith wrote:

>

> >>>>> B> I run this Vista computer for mostly multimedia purposes and web

> >>>> browsing. I haven't rarely had a coughing fit out of it. Nothing like

> >>>> what older models did. XP included.

>

> >>> You can do that stuff way faster on a Linux box.  And with a lot less

> >>> risk and hassle.

>

> >> Linux is generally crap. I know because I installed it on a couple of my

> >> machines. It caused more problems using that crap and utilizing software

> >> than anything I have ever seen. Pure garbage. Just about like that other

> >> computer operating system called the Mac. I wouldn't have a Mac for

> >> toilet paper. Every Mac I saw ran like crap and you couldn't do 1/3 of

> >> what you can do on a Windows based Machine. That comes from a lot of

> >> personal experience with Mac based stuff back in the 90s and early part

> >> of this decade.

>

> >> It might be great now but back in those days they should have called it

> >> Crap versus Mac.

>

> > Linux and Apple have their place, and with your comments I doubt you have

> > ever owned an Apple.

>

> > The HUGE benefit of Linux over say Vista is Linux is not DRM invasive.

>

> I never owned an apple but I used to have a lot of experience running the

> Apple/Mac system. I wasn't impressed with anything that it could allegedly

> do. Personally it was like an overhyped Ipod phone or Touch. A lot of glitz

> but little real performance. Not user friendly, not even for the novice. I

> probably spent at least a year on that sort of a system and I was none too

> impressed. Thats why Mac will never catch up to Microsoft in anything. The

> only people I personally knew that used Macs were kids wanting to use it for

> graphics. For business operations, office work, etc, it was never worth

> anything. I wouldn't even give a Mac system the time of day for even audio

> listening or multimedia video and audio.

>

> If Macs were so proficient and useful, then why in the hell doesn't everyone

> in the world switch to Macs. Since there is a free market in computers and a

> great deal of industriousness and ingenuity in the computer industry, then

> Macs should be right up there. Not to mention the facts are that a Microsoft

> based system can be had for 300 to 1000 dolllars and a good one at that.

>

> What does a Crap cost? I was in the local Apple store recently here in

> Louisville KY. It was laughable that they wanted twice as much as any

> Microsoft PC and with less performance capabilities, less general respect.

> You'll see who buried who in the computer systems operating business

> environment. It sure wasn't Mac. Probably more people use Linux than Mac and

> thats sad.- Hide quoted text -

>

> - Show quoted text -

 

MAC/Apples has three problems to Real Growth and

becoming a the Premier World Wide Standard :

propioritory, Proprietary. PROPRIETARY ! -aka-

single-source, Single-Source. SINGLE SOURCE !

 

Microsoft 'only' tries to control the Software side or the

Hardware-&-Software Equation letting the Open Market

energize the Hardware side and overall creating a very

Dynamic Consumer and Business Market for their Product.

 

Microsoft does not Focus on Selling their Product to

Consumers they let an Infinite Number of Hardware

Product providers do that for them. While Apple is

basically a One Company Show in the Consumer

Market and tends to stagnate after a few months

to a year with each new product that is introduced.

 

The iPod is the Exception because the Apple Hardware

and Apple OS benefits from and Infinite Number of

Softwave Product providers with a near unlimited amount

of Songs and Music -plus- Apple has fround a way to

Monitize the Software side of the Market to make it a

Profit Center for this Business.

 

The iPhone is a Product whose Profitability is TBD.

 

it's a vision thing ~ RHF

.

[Guest HeyBub]

Re: Microsoft Taking Official Petitions to Keep XP Alive

 

ANONYMOUS wrote:

> Whether or not Microsoft stops supporting Windows XP, there is

> nothing to stop you from using Windows XP for life. You can use it

> until you get fed up of it or until you feel that it is time to

> update your own IT skills and keep up with the rest of the world! Or

> you could go and live in Amazon Forest where they don't need

> computers <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7427417.stm>.

>

> You don't need MS agreement for this and if you need any assistance,

> you can always post your queries here and some crackpot like you will

> post a solution for you even if it is 31 May 2018!!

>

 

Right. I think you can still ask questions about Wordstar or VisiCalc.

 

And even get answers.

[Guest xfile]

Re: Microsoft Taking Official Petitions to Keep XP Alive

 

>You can use it until you get fed up of it or until you feel

> that it is time to update your own IT skills and keep up with the rest of

> the world! Or

> you could go and live in Amazon Forest where they don't need computers

 

 

1. I don't consider Vista is crap; it's just not worth the efforts as I

stated many times.

 

2. I don't consider its performance is so bad nor performance in terms of a

few seconds of difference is very critical for an average user.

 

3. I never challenged anyone who likes Vista and I am sure many will.

 

In particular, Vista presents no problem when people don't look into

productivity- and ROI-related questions and don't ask why do we need

computers in the first place?

 

But with all due respect, these questions tend to be asked by people with

more knowledge on both business and IT field and they are nothing like what

you've mentioned. On the contrary, those people you have mentioned usually

don't posses critical thinking capabilities and they don't ask why.

 

"ANONYMOUS" <ANONYMOUS@EXAMPLE.COM> wrote in message

news:4841C762.2BDFA2AD@EXAMPLE.COM...

>

> Whether or not Microsoft stops supporting Windows XP, there is nothing to

> stop you from

> using Windows XP for life. You can use it until you get fed up of it or

> until you feel

> that it is time to update your own IT skills and keep up with the rest of

> the world! Or

> you could go and live in Amazon Forest where they don't need computers

> <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7427417.stm>.

>

> You don't need MS agreement for this and if you need any assistance, you

> can always post

> your queries here and some crackpot like you will post a solution for you

> even if it is 31

> May 2018!!

>

> hth

>

>

> Clear Windows wrote:

>

>> http://www.neowin.net/news/main/08/05/30/microsoft-taking-official-petitions-to-keep-xp

>>

>> If you can remember back a few weeks, Steve Ballmer went on record saying

>> that Microsoft would consider extending the life of Windows XP if enough

>> people asked for it. Afterall, many people don't want to upgrade to

>> Windows

>> Vista because they are perfectly content with XP. The problem was there

>> was

>> no way to ask for it. Sure, you could sign one of the many online

>> petitions,

>> but Microsoft considers those "non-official complaints" and the rest of

>> us

>> simply consider them silly.

>>

>> Well, word has been passed down to the tech support teams (and then on to

>> Neowin) that they are to begin logging any calls that come in for the

>> sole

>> purpose of requesting an extension to the retail life of Windows XP. The

>> calls will be logged and, if enough complaints are filed, Microsoft will

>> consider giving XP some more time (no pinky promises, though).

>>

>> If you wish to file an official petition yourself, you can simply call

>> the

>> Windows XP Home Edition support numbers for your country and let the

>> operator know that you wish to file an official complaint. Because we're

>> so

>> nice and want to save you the trouble, here are the numbers for a

>> majority

>> of Neowin's visitors:

>>

>> United States: (866) 234-6020

>> United Kingdom: 0870 60 10 100

>> Canada: (800) 936-8479

>>

>> If your country isn't listed, you can visit the Microsoft Support Site,

>> choose your country, choose Windows XP Home Edition as your product and

>> then

>> go to 'Contacts' for the appropriate support number.

>>

>