Guest Chris Posted June 2, 2008 Posted June 2, 2008 while many people have been able to successfully upgrade to sp3, i've seen more than enough complains and issues created by the pack to make me think twice before downloading it. i dont want to lose my files, and i currently dont have a way to back up my hard drive. all im looking for is an honest to god yes or no on whether or not i should go ahead and update to sp3. so yes or no?
Guest Patrick Keenan Posted June 2, 2008 Posted June 2, 2008 Re: is sp3 safe yet? "Chris" <Chris@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:DCB3E818-FA36-41ED-A3BA-ACC3EAA9EE26@microsoft.com... > while many people have been able to successfully upgrade to sp3, i've seen > more than enough complains and issues created by the pack to make me think > twice before downloading it. You can certainly download it without installing it. It's probably a better idea to download it, and install it from a local file, than to use Windows Update. > > i dont want to lose my files, and i currently dont have a way to back up > my > hard drive. If you don't have a way to back up your files and don't want to lose them, you shouldn't use your PC at all till you resolve that major issue. > all im looking for is an honest to god yes or no on whether or not i > should > go ahead and update to sp3. > > so yes or no? It's never a good idea to use a PC, let alone install a service pack, without backing it up. It's very easy to make backups. 500 gig hard disks are under $100 now, and external drive cases are around $30. So no, you shouldn't install it if you have no way to back it up. What you should do is address the backup issue, determine whether you have an AMD processor, then take the steps to install SP3. HTH -pk
Guest Big Al Posted June 2, 2008 Posted June 2, 2008 Re: is sp3 safe yet? Chris wrote: > while many people have been able to successfully upgrade to sp3, i've seen > more than enough complains and issues created by the pack to make me think > twice before downloading it. > > i dont want to lose my files, and i currently dont have a way to back up my > hard drive. > > all im looking for is an honest to god yes or no on whether or not i should > go ahead and update to sp3. > > so yes or no? With no backup, no. Spend more time getting a backup first.
Guest Nonny Posted June 2, 2008 Posted June 2, 2008 Re: is sp3 safe yet? On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 18:24:01 -0700, Chris <Chris@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >while many people have been able to successfully upgrade to sp3, i've seen >more than enough complains and issues created by the pack to make me think >twice before downloading it. > >i dont want to lose my files, and i currently dont have a way to back up my >hard drive. You better think of a way. That's more important than downloading SP3. >all im looking for is an honest to god yes or no on whether or not i should >go ahead and update to sp3. > >so yes or no? Maybe yes. Maybe no. Your choice.
Guest peter Posted June 2, 2008 Posted June 2, 2008 Re: is sp3 safe yet? nothing like a nice definite "maybe" peter -- DISCLAIMER: If you find a posting or message from me offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... ;-) "Nonny" <nonnymoose@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:n9k644pbus1jrnc4i5g2l5horugvjsbjis@4ax.com... > On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 18:24:01 -0700, Chris > <Chris@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >>while many people have been able to successfully upgrade to sp3, i've seen >>more than enough complains and issues created by the pack to make me think >>twice before downloading it. >> >>i dont want to lose my files, and i currently dont have a way to back up >>my >>hard drive. > > You better think of a way. That's more important than downloading > SP3. > >>all im looking for is an honest to god yes or no on whether or not i >>should >>go ahead and update to sp3. >> >>so yes or no? > > Maybe yes. > > Maybe no. > > Your choice.
Guest PA Bear [MS MVP] Posted June 2, 2008 Posted June 2, 2008 Re: is sp3 safe yet? Yes! Free unlimited installation and compatibility support is available for Windows XP, but only for Service Pack 3 (SP3), until 14 Apr-09. Chat and e-mail support is available only in the United States and Canada. • US: http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?ln=en-us&prid=11273&gprid=522131 • CA: http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?ln=en-ca&prid=11273&gprid=522131 • UK: http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?ln=en-gb&prid=11273&gprid=522131 • AU: http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?ln=en-au&prid=11273&gprid=522131 • Other: http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?gprid=1173 | select Windows XP | select Windows XP Service Pack 3 ======================================== WinXP SP3 - Read all prerequisites for a successful installation http://msmvps.com/blogs/harrywaldron/archive/2008/05/08/windows-xp-sp3-read-all-prerequisites-for-a-successful-installation.aspx Steps to take before you install WinXP SP3 http://support.microsoft.com/kb/950717 The hard disk space requirements for WinXP SP3 http://support.microsoft.com/kb/947311 Release notes for WinXP SP3 http://support.microsoft.com/kb/936929 ==================================== IEBlog: IE and Windows XP Service Pack 3 http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2008/05/05/ie-and-xpsp3.aspx =================================== <IMHO> Temporarily disable all real-time protections afforded by your anti-virus application, any anti-spyware applications, and any third-party firewall prior to installing SP3. If you disable a third-party firewall, make sure you then enable the Windows Firewall: The machine should not be connected to the internet without an active firewall. NB ZA Free users: Uninstall ZA Free via Add/Remove Programs and enable the Windows Firewall before installing SP3. After installing SP3 /and rebooting twice/, check to make sure your real-time protections have been re-enabled; If you disabled a third-party firewall, remember to re-enable it and disable the Windows Firewall. </IMHO> ================= Continual reboots or can only boot into Safe Mode after installing WinXP SP3? See http://msinfluentials.com/blogs/jesper/archive/2008/05/08/does-your-amd-based-computer-boot-after-installing-xp-sp3.aspx [NB: The above has been updated many times and now includes "a small tool that will detect the IntelPPM problem and mitigate it before installing (WinXP SP3)."] ================================================== About Norton AntiVirus (SymProtect) & installing WinXP SP3 http://windowssecrets.com/2008/05/29/02-Norton-software-conflicts-with-Windows-XP-SP3 http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?f=62&t=33522 -- ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002 AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net DTS-L http://dts-l.net/ Chris wrote: > while many people have been able to successfully upgrade to sp3, i've seen > more than enough complains and issues created by the pack to make me think > twice before downloading it. > > i dont want to lose my files, and i currently dont have a way to back up > my > hard drive. > > all im looking for is an honest to god yes or no on whether or not i > should > go ahead and update to sp3. > > so yes or no?
Guest Ken Blake, MVP Posted June 2, 2008 Posted June 2, 2008 Re: is sp3 safe yet? On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 18:24:01 -0700, Chris <Chris@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > while many people have been able to successfully upgrade to sp3, i've seen > more than enough complains and issues created by the pack to make me think > twice before downloading it. > > i dont want to lose my files, and i currently dont have a way to back up my > hard drive. > > all im looking for is an honest to god yes or no on whether or not i should > go ahead and update to sp3. If you're reading about "complains and issues" *here*, in the newsgroups, this where people come with their problems, not with their successes. You get a very distorted view of what's going on in the real world here; as someone once said, "hang around a transmission shop and you will think that all cars have transmission problems." Most problems, by far, that people report here--whether or not they are Sp3-related--have nothing to do with defects in the software. They result from people's ignorance, from bad or inadequate hardware, from old drivers, from viruses, from spyware, and so on. And except for very rare situations, they always get a fix for their problems, and in most cases, that fix is a very simple one to implement. I have personally seen no SP3-related problems. It works very well. However, I strongly recommend that before taking any big step, you back up anything you can't afford to lose. If, as you say, you "currently dont have a way to back up [your] hard drive," you are in a very vulnerable situation, regardless of whether or not you install SP3. Your first priority, far more important than installing a service pack, should be to institute a program of regular backup. -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience Please Reply to the Newsgroup
Guest George Posted June 2, 2008 Posted June 2, 2008 Re: is sp3 safe yet? If you have an AMD Chip, don't put SP3 on. If you have Norton Anti-Virus, don't put SP3 on. There are many more reasons not to install SP3 but you need to read about the the issues and work-arounds. If you building a computer or have on that has hardly no software installed, then you stand a better chance of getting it installed without issues. "Patrick Keenan" <test@dev.null> wrote in message news:utMijHFxIHA.3968@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > > "Chris" <Chris@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:DCB3E818-FA36-41ED-A3BA-ACC3EAA9EE26@microsoft.com... >> while many people have been able to successfully upgrade to sp3, i've >> seen >> more than enough complains and issues created by the pack to make me >> think >> twice before downloading it. > > You can certainly download it without installing it. > > It's probably a better idea to download it, and install it from a local > file, than to use Windows Update. > >> >> i dont want to lose my files, and i currently dont have a way to back up >> my >> hard drive. > > If you don't have a way to back up your files and don't want to lose them, > you shouldn't use your PC at all till you resolve that major issue. > > >> all im looking for is an honest to god yes or no on whether or not i >> should >> go ahead and update to sp3. >> >> so yes or no? > > It's never a good idea to use a PC, let alone install a service pack, > without backing it up. > > It's very easy to make backups. 500 gig hard disks are under $100 now, > and external drive cases are around $30. > > So no, you shouldn't install it if you have no way to back it up. > > What you should do is address the backup issue, determine whether you have > an AMD processor, then take the steps to install SP3. > > HTH > -pk > >
Guest Shenan Stanley Posted June 2, 2008 Posted June 2, 2008 Re: is sp3 safe yet? Chris wrote: > while many people have been able to successfully upgrade to sp3, > i've seen more than enough complains and issues created by > the pack to make me think twice before downloading it. > > i dont want to lose my files, and i currently dont have a way to > back up my hard drive. > > all im looking for is an honest to god yes or no on whether or > not i should go ahead and update to sp3. > > so yes or no? Patrick Keenan wrote: > You can certainly download it without installing it. > > It's probably a better idea to download it, and install it from a > local file, than to use Windows Update. > > If you don't have a way to back up your files and don't want to > lose them, you shouldn't use your PC at all till you resolve that > major issue. It's never a good idea to use a PC, let alone install a > service > pack, without backing it up. > > It's very easy to make backups. 500 gig hard disks are under > $100 now, and external drive cases are around $30. > > So no, you shouldn't install it if you have no way to back it up. > > What you should do is address the backup issue, determine whether > you have an AMD processor, then take the steps to install SP3. <answers inline from here on> George wrote: > If you have an AMD Chip, don't put SP3 on. False. If you have an AMD chip and think there is a possibility your OEM used an image made on an Intel chip to 'put' Windows XP onto the system - then you need to perform a step or two before installing SP3 all because your OEM messed up things for you. > If you have Norton Anti-Virus, don't put SP3 on. False. While some people have better luck installing *anything* with their AV turned off - on the many I have installed upon so far (60+% with Norton/Symantec AV - admitrtedly AV *only*) I have not turned off or uninstalled the AV software nor had any issues by doing this. > There are many more reasons not to install SP3 but you need to read > about the the issues and work-arounds. There are no _reasons_ not to install SP3. I can show _excuses_ and _things that need effort put into them_ because something is already wrong with the system in question - things that Windows XP SP3 would exasperate if installed without first fixing them - but that is not a reason to stop the installation of SP3 - that is a reason to fix what is wrong with your computer. > If you building a computer or have on that has hardly no software > installed, then you stand a better chance of getting it installed > without issues. No doubt a clean install means the least amount of effort. For the rest of the world (including the OP) - the answer is, "Yes, you should put forth the effort to install SP3 on your Windows XP system. Excuses can be given things can be postponed - but sooner or later - you likely will be doing it anyway." Prepare for it - backup your stuff (if you don't have a method of doing this already - spin the barrel again... click... click... boom! = or you could start doing what one thing is unique about "risk and computers"...) and read through the known issues and the things that resolve them. Do those things *before* installing SP3 and then you can install SP3 with the confidence that worst case is restoring your system to the state you last backed it up in. Best case - you have cleaned up and fixed problems that already existed on your system (you don't have to know you have a blood clot to suddenly drop dead from one) and gotten the latest service pack for your operating system installed. A place to get FREE support for SP3 installation issues *from Microsoft*... http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?ln=en-us&prid=11273&gprid=522131 WinXP SP3 - Read all prerequisites for a successful installation http://msmvps.com/blogs/harrywaldron/archive/2008/05/08/windows-xp-sp3-read-all-prerequisites-for-a-successful-installation.aspx Steps to take before you install Windows XP Service Pack 3 http://support.microsoft.com/kb/950717 Release Notes for Windows XP Service Pack 3 http://download.microsoft.com/download/c/d/8/cd8cc719-7d5a-40d3-a802-e4057aa8c631/relnotes.htm Key things to note: Internet Explorer: "If you have installed Windows Internet Explorer® 7 or a beta version of Internet Explorer 8, and then install Windows XP SP3, you cannot uninstall Internet Explorer. To avoid this, ensure Internet Explorer 7 or a beta version of Internet Explorer 8 is not installed before installing Windows XP SP3. If you have already encountered this issue, uninstall Windows XP SP3, uninstall Internet Explorer, and then reinstall Windows XP SP3." Windows XP Media Center Edition 2002: "If you install Windows XP SP3 on a computer running Windows XP Media Center Edition 2002 with SP1, Windows XP Media Center Edition may malfunction. To avoid this, install Windows XP SP2 before you install Windows XP SP3. If this issue has already occurred, uninstall Windows XP SP3, install Windows XP SP2, and then reinstall Windows XP SP3." It seems some people are unable to get further updates after installing SP3... Seems some have experienced a symptom similar to doing a repair installation on Windows XP - and the same fix seems to work for them for that... Updates are not installed successfully from Windows Update, from Microsoft Update, or by using Automatic Updates after you repair a Windows XP installation http://support.microsoft.com/kb/943144 Some people experience an "endless reboot" issue... From PA Bear [MS MVP]: Workarounds: http://msinfluentials.com/blogs/jesper/archive/2008/05/08/does-your-amd-based-computer-boot-after-installing-xp-sp3.aspx [NB: The above has been updated many times and now includes "a small tool that will detect the IntelPPM problem and mitigate it before installing [WinXP SP3]." 1. Boot into Safe Mode and rename INTELPMM.SYS to INTELPMM.OLD. 2. After booting into Safe Mode: Start --> Run --> (copy/paste) sc config intelppm start= disabled --> OK --> Reboot into normal (Windows) mode. Other references include: .. http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?p=187790#p187790 .. http://msinfluentials.com/blogs/jesper/archive/2008/05/08/does-your-amd-based-computer-boot-after-installing-xp-sp3.aspx .. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05/09/windows_xp_sp3_reboots_crashes/ .. http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9084418 .. You receive a "Stop 0x0000007E" error message after you upgrade to Windows XP Service Pack 2 or Service Pack 3 on a non-Intel-processor-based computer (Revised 06 May-08) http://support.microsoft.com/kb/888372 Good luck! -- Shenan Stanley MS-MVP -- How To Ask Questions The Smart Way http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
Guest marx404 Posted June 2, 2008 Posted June 2, 2008 Re: is sp3 safe yet? Personally, I say no, SP3 is not ready for prime time. AFAIC, it's still in beta. Many hardware and software issues. However, you should not lose your files. You might not be able to properly boot if you have an AMD processor or the wrong BIOS or Norton or many of the other conflicting applications though. SP3 will also change the functionality of a few programs after installation as well. Compatibility and functionality of many third party applications is a concern as well. In a nutshell, MS has provided plenty of information about SP3 here and you can Google for more: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/936929 If you are adventurous and have a reliable BACKUP I say go for it. For the over-cautious who don't have the time to be a MS beta-tester, just say no. Hopefully MS will issue a SP3a to fix their compatibility issues. -- marx404
Guest Shenan Stanley Posted June 2, 2008 Posted June 2, 2008 Re: is sp3 safe yet? <snipped> marx404 wrote: > Personally, I say no, SP3 is not ready for prime time. AFAIC, it's still > in beta. Whether you want to believe it or not - it is no longer in beta and the liklihood of any major changes (minor even) happening to the released version of SP3 for Windows XP is slim to none. The Service Pack 3 has been released to the public and that's pretty much it. > Many hardware and software issues. However, you > should not lose your files. I don't know if I agree with "many", but there are known issues out there. No one should ever lose any of their files - as long as they follow some good common sense practices. > You might not be able to properly boot > if you have an AMD processor or the wrong BIOS or Norton or many of > the other conflicting applications though. The AMD thing has been blown out of proprtion. It is not AMD - it is the OEM that sold the AMD processor based machine with the incorrect image (install) of Windows XP on it for that processor - or one that was created on an Intel-based PC. And there are easy work-arounds for that - if done before the installation of SP3 - remedies it completely. Admittedly - most end-users won't know that until after the fact - but the work-arounds for after the fact are not _too bad_. The "wrong BIOS" thing is a new one on me - what is that? Norton/Symantec has caused issues with just about everything in existence in the past 6 years or more. That should not be that big of a surprise to anyone. heh > SP3 will also change the functionality of a few programs after > installation as well. Compatibility and functionality of many > third party applications is a concern as well. Honestly - the things SP3 changed (other than the address bar) - most users will never see. As for compatibility - I actually have heard of very very few things that worked in SP2 that don't work in SP3. SP2 had many more software/driver related issues than SP3 is having - exponentially so. > In a nutshell, MS has provided plenty of information about SP3 here > and you can Google for more: > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/936929 > > If you are adventurous and have a reliable BACKUP I say go for it. > For the over-cautious who don't have the time to be a MS > beta-tester, just say no. Hopefully MS will issue a SP3a to fix > their compatibility issues. Microsoft has not done that in the past - and to be honest - I see no reason for them to do it now (before you throw SP1/SP1a out there - you should research why that happened - it was not a problem with the Service Pack - it was legalities with Java... ;-) ) For those who really want to install SP3 - they should prepare and do it right... Prepare for it - backup your stuff (if you don't have a method of doing this already - spin the barrel again... click... click... boom! = or you could start doing what one thing is unique about "risk and computers"...) and read through the known issues and the things that resolve them. Do those things *before* installing SP3 and then you can install SP3 with the confidence that worst case is restoring your system to the state you last backed it up in. Best case - you have cleaned up and fixed problems that already existed on your system (you don't have to know you have a blood clot to suddenly drop dead from one) and gotten the latest service pack for your operating system installed. A place to get FREE support for SP3 installation issues *from Microsoft*... http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?ln=en-us&prid=11273&gprid=522131 WinXP SP3 - Read all prerequisites for a successful installation http://msmvps.com/blogs/harrywaldron/archive/2008/05/08/windows-xp-sp3-read-all-prerequisites-for-a-successful-installation.aspx Steps to take before you install Windows XP Service Pack 3 http://support.microsoft.com/kb/950717 Release Notes for Windows XP Service Pack 3 http://download.microsoft.com/download/c/d/8/cd8cc719-7d5a-40d3-a802-e4057aa8c631/relnotes.htm Key things to note: Internet Explorer: "If you have installed Windows Internet Explorer® 7 or a beta version of Internet Explorer 8, and then install Windows XP SP3, you cannot uninstall Internet Explorer. To avoid this, ensure Internet Explorer 7 or a beta version of Internet Explorer 8 is not installed before installing Windows XP SP3. If you have already encountered this issue, uninstall Windows XP SP3, uninstall Internet Explorer, and then reinstall Windows XP SP3." Windows XP Media Center Edition 2002: "If you install Windows XP SP3 on a computer running Windows XP Media Center Edition 2002 with SP1, Windows XP Media Center Edition may malfunction. To avoid this, install Windows XP SP2 before you install Windows XP SP3. If this issue has already occurred, uninstall Windows XP SP3, install Windows XP SP2, and then reinstall Windows XP SP3." It seems some people are unable to get further updates after installing SP3... Seems some have experienced a symptom similar to doing a repair installation on Windows XP - and the same fix seems to work for them for that... Updates are not installed successfully from Windows Update, from Microsoft Update, or by using Automatic Updates after you repair a Windows XP installation http://support.microsoft.com/kb/943144 Some people experience an "endless reboot" issue... From PA Bear [MS MVP]: Workarounds: http://msinfluentials.com/blogs/jesper/archive/2008/05/08/does-your-amd-based-computer-boot-after-installing-xp-sp3.aspx [NB: The above has been updated many times and now includes "a small tool that will detect the IntelPPM problem and mitigate it before installing [WinXP SP3]." 1. Boot into Safe Mode and rename INTELPMM.SYS to INTELPMM.OLD. 2. After booting into Safe Mode: Start --> Run --> (copy/paste) sc config intelppm start= disabled --> OK --> Reboot into normal (Windows) mode. Other references include: .. http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?p=187790#p187790 .. http://msinfluentials.com/blogs/jesper/archive/2008/05/08/does-your-amd-based-computer-boot-after-installing-xp-sp3.aspx .. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05/09/windows_xp_sp3_reboots_crashes/ .. http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9084418 .. You receive a "Stop 0x0000007E" error message after you upgrade to Windows XP Service Pack 2 or Service Pack 3 on a non-Intel-processor-based computer (Revised 06 May-08) http://support.microsoft.com/kb/888372 Good luck! -- Shenan Stanley MS-MVP -- How To Ask Questions The Smart Way http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
Guest MAP Posted June 2, 2008 Posted June 2, 2008 Re: is sp3 safe yet? Shenan Stanley wrote: > Chris wrote: >> while many people have been able to successfully upgrade to sp3, >> i've seen more than enough complains and issues created by >> the pack to make me think twice before downloading it. >> >> i dont want to lose my files, and i currently dont have a way to >> back up my hard drive. >> >> all im looking for is an honest to god yes or no on whether or >> not i should go ahead and update to sp3. >> >> so yes or no? > > Patrick Keenan wrote: >> You can certainly download it without installing it. >> >> It's probably a better idea to download it, and install it from a >> local file, than to use Windows Update. >> >> If you don't have a way to back up your files and don't want to >> lose them, you shouldn't use your PC at all till you resolve that >> major issue. It's never a good idea to use a PC, let alone install a >> service >> pack, without backing it up. >> >> It's very easy to make backups. 500 gig hard disks are under >> $100 now, and external drive cases are around $30. >> >> So no, you shouldn't install it if you have no way to back it up. >> >> What you should do is address the backup issue, determine whether >> you have an AMD processor, then take the steps to install SP3. > > <answers inline from here on> > > George wrote: >> If you have an AMD Chip, don't put SP3 on. > > False. > If you have an AMD chip and think there is a possibility your OEM > used an image made on an Intel chip to 'put' Windows XP onto the > system - then you need to perform a step or two before installing SP3 > all because your OEM messed up things for you. > >> If you have Norton Anti-Virus, don't put SP3 on. > > False. > While some people have better luck installing *anything* with their AV > turned off - on the many I have installed upon so far (60+% with > Norton/Symantec AV - admitrtedly AV *only*) I have not turned off or > uninstalled the AV software nor had any issues by doing this. > >> There are many more reasons not to install SP3 but you need to read >> about the the issues and work-arounds. > > There are no _reasons_ not to install SP3. I can show _excuses_ and > _things that need effort put into them_ because something is already > wrong with the system in question - things that Windows XP SP3 would > exasperate if installed without first fixing them - but that is not a > reason to stop the installation of SP3 - that is a reason to fix what > is wrong with your computer. > >> If you building a computer or have on that has hardly no software >> installed, then you stand a better chance of getting it installed >> without issues. > > No doubt a clean install means the least amount of effort. > > For the rest of the world (including the OP) - the answer is, "Yes, > you should put forth the effort to install SP3 on your Windows XP > system. Excuses can be given things can be postponed - but sooner or > later - you likely will be doing it anyway." > > Prepare for it - backup your stuff (if you don't have a method of > doing this already - spin the barrel again... click... click... boom! > = or you could start doing what one thing is unique about "risk and > computers"...) and read through the known issues and the things that > resolve them. Do those things *before* installing SP3 and then you > can install SP3 with the confidence that worst case is restoring your > system to the state you last backed it up in. Best case - you have > cleaned up and fixed problems that already existed on your system > (you don't have to know you have a blood clot to suddenly drop dead > from one) and gotten the latest service pack for your operating > system installed. > A place to get FREE support for SP3 installation issues *from > Microsoft*... > http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?ln=en-us&prid=11273&gprid=522131 > > > WinXP SP3 - Read all prerequisites for a successful installation > http://msmvps.com/blogs/harrywaldron/archive/2008/05/08/windows-xp-sp3-read-all-prerequisites-for-a-successful-installation.aspx > > Steps to take before you install Windows XP Service Pack 3 > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/950717 > > Release Notes for Windows XP Service Pack 3 > http://download.microsoft.com/download/c/d/8/cd8cc719-7d5a-40d3-a802-e4057aa8c631/relnotes.htm > > Key things to note: > > Internet Explorer: > "If you have installed Windows Internet Explorer® 7 or a beta version > of Internet Explorer 8, and then install Windows XP SP3, you cannot > uninstall Internet Explorer. To avoid this, ensure Internet Explorer > 7 or a beta version of Internet Explorer 8 is not installed before > installing Windows XP SP3. If you have already encountered this > issue, uninstall Windows XP SP3, uninstall Internet Explorer, and > then reinstall Windows XP SP3." > Windows XP Media Center Edition 2002: > "If you install Windows XP SP3 on a computer running Windows XP Media > Center Edition 2002 with SP1, Windows XP Media Center Edition may > malfunction. To avoid this, install Windows XP SP2 before you > install Windows XP SP3. If this issue has already occurred, > uninstall Windows XP SP3, install Windows XP SP2, and then reinstall > Windows XP SP3." > It seems some people are unable to get further updates after > installing SP3... Seems some have experienced a symptom similar to > doing a repair installation on Windows XP - and the same fix seems to > work for them for that... > > Updates are not installed successfully from Windows Update, from > Microsoft Update, or by using Automatic Updates after you repair a > Windows XP installation > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/943144 > > Some people experience an "endless reboot" issue... > > From PA Bear [MS MVP]: > Workarounds: > > http://msinfluentials.com/blogs/jesper/archive/2008/05/08/does-your-amd-based-computer-boot-after-installing-xp-sp3.aspx > [NB: The above has been updated many times and now includes "a small > tool that will detect the IntelPPM problem and mitigate it before > installing [WinXP SP3]." > > 1. Boot into Safe Mode and rename INTELPMM.SYS to INTELPMM.OLD. > 2. After booting into Safe Mode: > Start --> Run --> (copy/paste) > sc config intelppm start= disabled > --> OK --> Reboot into normal (Windows) mode. > > Other references include: > . http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?p=187790#p187790 > . > http://msinfluentials.com/blogs/jesper/archive/2008/05/08/does-your-amd-based-computer-boot-after-installing-xp-sp3.aspx > . > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05/09/windows_xp_sp3_reboots_crashes/ > . > http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9084418 > . You receive a "Stop 0x0000007E" error message after you upgrade to > Windows XP Service Pack 2 or Service Pack 3 on a > non-Intel-processor-based computer (Revised 06 May-08) > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/888372 > > Good luck! > > -- > Shenan Stanley > MS-MVP http://windowssecrets.com/comp/080529 http://windowssecrets.com/comp/080522 -- Mike Pawlak
Guest JCO Posted June 2, 2008 Posted June 2, 2008 Re: is sp3 safe yet? I agree. I will only add this. Your backup better be an Image type backup (such as Acronis, Ghost or any other imaging software). Reason is that you may never be able to boot... at all. My installation hung up. It never completed. Once that happens, your hosed in a bad way. But I had an image backup made before I attempted to test out SP3. I was back and running in 30 minutes. "marx404" <404@404.com> wrote in message news:4843db8f$0$5739$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... > Personally, I say no, SP3 is not ready for prime time. AFAIC, it's still > in beta. Many hardware and software issues. However, you should not lose > your files. You might not be able to properly boot if you have an AMD > processor or the wrong BIOS or Norton or many of the other conflicting > applications though. SP3 will also change the functionality of a few > programs after installation as well. Compatibility and functionality of > many third party applications is a concern as well. > > In a nutshell, MS has provided plenty of information about SP3 here and > you can Google for more: > > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/936929 > > If you are adventurous and have a reliable BACKUP I say go for it. For the > over-cautious who don't have the time to be a MS beta-tester, just say no. > Hopefully MS will issue a SP3a to fix their compatibility issues. > > -- > marx404 >
Guest Doug W. Posted June 2, 2008 Posted June 2, 2008 Re: is sp3 safe yet? Not to counter what you say which is accurate in most circumtances...there are some programs that will not work properly or fail after XP SP3. Rather than fight it, I just looked for different software and SCRAPPED half a dozen long-used programs, I am sure that Microsoft cares less. Doug W. -- "Shenan Stanley" <newshelper@gmail.com> wrote in message news:uYlLVgKxIHA.420@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > <snipped> > > marx404 wrote: >> Personally, I say no, SP3 is not ready for prime time. AFAIC, >> it's still in beta. > > Whether you want to believe it or not - it is no longer in > beta and the liklihood of any major changes (minor even) > happening to the released version of SP3 for Windows XP is > slim to none. The Service Pack 3 has been released to the > public and that's pretty much it. > >> Many hardware and software issues. However, you >> should not lose your files. > > I don't know if I agree with "many", but there are known > issues out there. No one should ever lose any of their files - > as long as they follow some good common sense practices. > >> You might not be able to properly boot >> if you have an AMD processor or the wrong BIOS or Norton or >> many of >> the other conflicting applications though. > > The AMD thing has been blown out of proprtion. It is not > AMD - it is the OEM that sold the AMD processor based machine > with the incorrect image (install) of Windows XP on it for > that processor - or one that was created on an Intel-based PC. > And there are easy work-arounds for that - if done before the > installation of SP3 - remedies it completely. Admittedly - > most end-users won't know that until after the fact - but the > work-arounds for after the fact are not _too bad_. > > The "wrong BIOS" thing is a new one on me - what is that? > > Norton/Symantec has caused issues with just about everything > in existence in the past 6 years or more. That should not be > that big of a surprise to anyone. heh > >> SP3 will also change the functionality of a few programs >> after >> installation as well. Compatibility and functionality of >> many >> third party applications is a concern as well. > > Honestly - the things SP3 changed (other than the address > bar) - most users will never see. As for compatibility - I > actually have heard of very very few things that worked in SP2 > that don't work in SP3. SP2 had many more software/driver > related issues than SP3 is having - exponentially so. > >> In a nutshell, MS has provided plenty of information about >> SP3 here >> and you can Google for more: >> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/936929 >> >> If you are adventurous and have a reliable BACKUP I say go >> for it. >> For the over-cautious who don't have the time to be a MS >> beta-tester, just say no. Hopefully MS will issue a SP3a to >> fix >> their compatibility issues. > > Microsoft has not done that in the past - and to be honest - I > see no reason for them to do it now (before you throw SP1/SP1a > out there - you should research why that happened - it was not > a problem with the Service Pack - it was legalities with > Java... ;-) ) > > For those who really want to install SP3 - they should prepare > and do it right... > > Prepare for it - backup your stuff (if you don't have a method > of doing this > already - spin the barrel again... click... click... boom! = > or you could > start doing what one thing is unique about "risk and > computers"...) and read > through the known issues and the things that resolve them. Do > those things > *before* installing SP3 and then you can install SP3 with the > confidence > that worst case is restoring your system to the state you last > backed it up > in. Best case - you have cleaned up and fixed problems that > already existed > on your system (you don't have to know you have a blood clot > to suddenly > drop dead from one) and gotten the latest service pack for > your operating > system installed. > > A place to get FREE support for SP3 installation issues *from > Microsoft*... > http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?ln=en-us&prid=11273&gprid=522131 > > > WinXP SP3 - Read all prerequisites for a successful > installation > http://msmvps.com/blogs/harrywaldron/archive/2008/05/08/windows-xp-sp3-read-all-prerequisites-for-a-successful-installation.aspx > > Steps to take before you install Windows XP Service Pack 3 > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/950717 > > Release Notes for Windows XP Service Pack 3 > http://download.microsoft.com/download/c/d/8/cd8cc719-7d5a-40d3-a802-e4057aa8c631/relnotes.htm > > Key things to note: > > Internet Explorer: > "If you have installed Windows Internet Explorer® 7 or a beta > version of > Internet Explorer 8, and then install Windows XP SP3, you > cannot uninstall > Internet Explorer. To avoid this, ensure Internet Explorer 7 > or a beta > version of Internet Explorer 8 is not installed before > installing Windows XP > SP3. If you have already encountered this issue, uninstall > Windows XP SP3, > uninstall Internet Explorer, and then reinstall Windows XP > SP3." > > Windows XP Media Center Edition 2002: > "If you install Windows XP SP3 on a computer running Windows > XP Media Center > Edition 2002 with SP1, Windows XP Media Center Edition may > malfunction. To > avoid this, install Windows XP SP2 before you install Windows > XP SP3. If > this issue has already occurred, uninstall Windows XP SP3, > install Windows > XP SP2, and then reinstall Windows XP SP3." > > It seems some people are unable to get further updates after > installing > SP3... Seems some have experienced a symptom similar to doing > a repair > installation on Windows XP - and the same fix seems to work > for them for > that... > > Updates are not installed successfully from Windows Update, > from Microsoft > Update, or by using Automatic Updates after you repair a > Windows XP > installation > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/943144 > > Some people experience an "endless reboot" issue... > > From PA Bear [MS MVP]: > Workarounds: > > http://msinfluentials.com/blogs/jesper/archive/2008/05/08/does-your-amd-based-computer-boot-after-installing-xp-sp3.aspx > [NB: The above has been updated many times and now includes "a > small tool > that will detect the IntelPPM problem and mitigate it before > installing > [WinXP SP3]." > > 1. Boot into Safe Mode and rename INTELPMM.SYS to > INTELPMM.OLD. > 2. After booting into Safe Mode: > Start --> Run --> (copy/paste) > sc config intelppm start= disabled > --> OK --> Reboot into normal (Windows) mode. > > Other references include: > . http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?p=187790#p187790 > . > http://msinfluentials.com/blogs/jesper/archive/2008/05/08/does-your-amd-based-computer-boot-after-installing-xp-sp3.aspx > . > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05/09/windows_xp_sp3_reboots_crashes/ > . > http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9084418 > . You receive a "Stop 0x0000007E" error message after you > upgrade to Windows > XP Service Pack 2 or Service Pack 3 on a > non-Intel-processor-based computer > (Revised 06 May-08) > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/888372 > > Good luck! > > > -- > Shenan Stanley > MS-MVP > -- > How To Ask Questions The Smart Way > http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html >
Guest George Posted June 2, 2008 Posted June 2, 2008 Re: is sp3 safe yet? I guess my main point is that Service Pack 3 has enough issues that you don't have to install it NOW. These issues will be resolved... so why hurry. You don't get that many benefits for being the first on your block for having SP3 on your computer. Maybe some security issues..... whoopieeeee. I have 6-computers running at various times. Only one of them has SP3. I tried it on one other machine and it no longer boots up. Fortunately I restored from an Image. "Shenan Stanley" <newshelper@gmail.com> wrote in message news:eOjXG1GxIHA.2360@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > Chris wrote: >> while many people have been able to successfully upgrade to sp3, >> i've seen more than enough complains and issues created by >> the pack to make me think twice before downloading it. >> >> i dont want to lose my files, and i currently dont have a way to >> back up my hard drive. >> >> all im looking for is an honest to god yes or no on whether or >> not i should go ahead and update to sp3. >> >> so yes or no? > > Patrick Keenan wrote: >> You can certainly download it without installing it. >> >> It's probably a better idea to download it, and install it from a >> local file, than to use Windows Update. >> >> If you don't have a way to back up your files and don't want to >> lose them, you shouldn't use your PC at all till you resolve that >> major issue. It's never a good idea to use a PC, let alone install a >> service >> pack, without backing it up. >> >> It's very easy to make backups. 500 gig hard disks are under >> $100 now, and external drive cases are around $30. >> >> So no, you shouldn't install it if you have no way to back it up. >> >> What you should do is address the backup issue, determine whether >> you have an AMD processor, then take the steps to install SP3. > > <answers inline from here on> > > George wrote: >> If you have an AMD Chip, don't put SP3 on. > > False. > If you have an AMD chip and think there is a possibility your OEM used an > image made on an Intel chip to 'put' Windows XP onto the system - then you > need to perform a step or two before installing SP3 all because your OEM > messed up things for you. > >> If you have Norton Anti-Virus, don't put SP3 on. > > False. > While some people have better luck installing *anything* with their AV > turned off - on the many I have installed upon so far (60+% with > Norton/Symantec AV - admitrtedly AV *only*) I have not turned off or > uninstalled the AV software nor had any issues by doing this. > >> There are many more reasons not to install SP3 but you need to read >> about the the issues and work-arounds. > > There are no _reasons_ not to install SP3. I can show _excuses_ and > _things that need effort put into them_ because something is already wrong > with the system in question - things that Windows XP SP3 would exasperate > if installed without first fixing them - but that is not a reason to stop > the installation of SP3 - that is a reason to fix what is wrong with your > computer. > >> If you building a computer or have on that has hardly no software >> installed, then you stand a better chance of getting it installed >> without issues. > > No doubt a clean install means the least amount of effort. > > For the rest of the world (including the OP) - the answer is, "Yes, you > should put forth the effort to install SP3 on your Windows XP system. > Excuses can be given things can be postponed - but sooner or later - you > likely will be doing it anyway." > > Prepare for it - backup your stuff (if you don't have a method of doing > this already - spin the barrel again... click... click... boom! = or you > could start doing what one thing is unique about "risk and computers"...) > and read through the known issues and the things that resolve them. Do > those things *before* installing SP3 and then you can install SP3 with the > confidence that worst case is restoring your system to the state you last > backed it up in. Best case - you have cleaned up and fixed problems that > already existed on your system (you don't have to know you have a blood > clot to suddenly drop dead from one) and gotten the latest service pack > for your operating system installed. > > A place to get FREE support for SP3 installation issues *from > Microsoft*... > http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?ln=en-us&prid=11273&gprid=522131 > > > WinXP SP3 - Read all prerequisites for a successful installation > http://msmvps.com/blogs/harrywaldron/archive/2008/05/08/windows-xp-sp3-read-all-prerequisites-for-a-successful-installation.aspx > > Steps to take before you install Windows XP Service Pack 3 > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/950717 > > Release Notes for Windows XP Service Pack 3 > http://download.microsoft.com/download/c/d/8/cd8cc719-7d5a-40d3-a802-e4057aa8c631/relnotes.htm > > Key things to note: > > Internet Explorer: > "If you have installed Windows Internet Explorer® 7 or a beta version of > Internet Explorer 8, and then install Windows XP SP3, you cannot uninstall > Internet Explorer. To avoid this, ensure Internet Explorer 7 or a beta > version of Internet Explorer 8 is not installed before installing Windows > XP > SP3. If you have already encountered this issue, uninstall Windows XP > SP3, > uninstall Internet Explorer, and then reinstall Windows XP SP3." > > Windows XP Media Center Edition 2002: > "If you install Windows XP SP3 on a computer running Windows XP Media > Center > Edition 2002 with SP1, Windows XP Media Center Edition may malfunction. > To > avoid this, install Windows XP SP2 before you install Windows XP SP3. If > this issue has already occurred, uninstall Windows XP SP3, install Windows > XP SP2, and then reinstall Windows XP SP3." > > It seems some people are unable to get further updates after installing > SP3... Seems some have experienced a symptom similar to doing a repair > installation on Windows XP - and the same fix seems to work for them for > that... > > Updates are not installed successfully from Windows Update, from Microsoft > Update, or by using Automatic Updates after you repair a Windows XP > installation > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/943144 > > Some people experience an "endless reboot" issue... > > From PA Bear [MS MVP]: > Workarounds: > > http://msinfluentials.com/blogs/jesper/archive/2008/05/08/does-your-amd-based-computer-boot-after-installing-xp-sp3.aspx > [NB: The above has been updated many times and now includes "a small tool > that will detect the IntelPPM problem and mitigate it before installing > [WinXP SP3]." > > 1. Boot into Safe Mode and rename INTELPMM.SYS to INTELPMM.OLD. > 2. After booting into Safe Mode: > Start --> Run --> (copy/paste) > sc config intelppm start= disabled > --> OK --> Reboot into normal (Windows) mode. > > Other references include: > . http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?p=187790#p187790 > . > http://msinfluentials.com/blogs/jesper/archive/2008/05/08/does-your-amd-based-computer-boot-after-installing-xp-sp3.aspx > . http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05/09/windows_xp_sp3_reboots_crashes/ > . > http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9084418 > . You receive a "Stop 0x0000007E" error message after you upgrade to > Windows > XP Service Pack 2 or Service Pack 3 on a non-Intel-processor-based > computer > (Revised 06 May-08) > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/888372 > > Good luck! > > -- > Shenan Stanley > MS-MVP > -- > How To Ask Questions The Smart Way > http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html >
Guest Shenan Stanley Posted June 2, 2008 Posted June 2, 2008 Re: is sp3 safe yet? <snipped> Shenan Stanley wrote: <snipped> > As for compatibility - I actually have heard of very very few things > that worked in SP2 that don't work in SP3. SP2 had many more > software/driver related issues than SP3 is having - exponentially > so. <snipped> Doug W. wrote: > Not to counter what you say which is accurate in most > circumtances...there are some programs that will not work > properly or fail after XP SP3. Rather than fight it, I just > looked for different software and SCRAPPED half a dozen > long-used programs, I am sure that Microsoft cares less. I'd be interested in knowing the names/versions of the programs you 'scrapped'... -- Shenan Stanley MS-MVP -- How To Ask Questions The Smart Way http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
Guest marx404 Posted June 2, 2008 Posted June 2, 2008 Re: is sp3 safe yet? That of course is an alternative but would suck if the user paid good money for any programs they wished to keep. OTOH, I am a big proponent of open source software, but nonetheless, I would be pretty peeved if my fav apps quit working or changed useful functionality all because of a not very useful OS update. As far as backing up, my favorites are USB sticks or an external USB HD. If you have neither, you can use a CD-burner, but sticks are dirt cheap nowadays. Or- better yet, avoid sloppy software updates. -- marx404
Guest xfile Posted June 3, 2008 Posted June 3, 2008 Re: is sp3 safe yet? Hi, Does Yes or No mean anything to you and you would follow either one without any details which may or may not apply to your individual situation? My suggestion, If you wish to find related information, SP3 in this case, ask. If you wish to learn from success stories and see what are expected improvements, ask. If you wish to learn from failure stories and prevent similar situations, ask. If you have specific concerns related to installation for your situation, ask. If you wish to know the best practice for installing service pack, ask. Ultimately, you are the decision make in this case and no one knows your situation better than yourself, so just ask specific questions for people can help you on making the decision. A Yes or No question normally will result in lengthy debates using extreme examples from all sides. It's not going to help you in any way. And based on your subject and message, it seems you have reached the conclusion already. My two cents for your consideration. "Chris" <Chris@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:DCB3E818-FA36-41ED-A3BA-ACC3EAA9EE26@microsoft.com... > while many people have been able to successfully upgrade to sp3, i've seen > more than enough complains and issues created by the pack to make me think > twice before downloading it. > > i dont want to lose my files, and i currently dont have a way to back up > my > hard drive. > > all im looking for is an honest to god yes or no on whether or not i > should > go ahead and update to sp3. > > so yes or no?
Guest Anthony Buckland Posted June 4, 2008 Posted June 4, 2008 Re: is sp3 safe yet? "Shenan Stanley" <newshelper@gmail.com> wrote in message news:eOjXG1GxIHA.2360@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > Chris wrote: >> while many people have been able to successfully upgrade to sp3, >> i've seen more than enough complains and issues created by >> the pack to make me think twice before downloading it. >> >> i dont want to lose my files, and i currently dont have a way to >> back up my hard drive. ... Then you're living very, very dangerously. There are so many ways, such as via a DVD-writing drive or to a removable drive connected via USB, to back up that it's hard to believe none of them are available to you.
Guest mgm Posted June 4, 2008 Posted June 4, 2008 Re: is sp3 safe yet? Install, do anything or have anything on a hard drive without backups is FRIGHTENING. Please do some type of backup before you have to hear "I told you so" "Anthony Buckland" <anthonybucklandnospam@telus.net> wrote in message news:OcW6k2oxIHA.420@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > > "Shenan Stanley" <newshelper@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:eOjXG1GxIHA.2360@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> Chris wrote: >>> while many people have been able to successfully upgrade to sp3, >>> i've seen more than enough complains and issues created by >>> the pack to make me think twice before downloading it. >>> >>> i dont want to lose my files, and i currently dont have a way to >>> back up my hard drive. > ... > > > Then you're living very, very dangerously. There are so many ways, > such as via a DVD-writing drive or to a removable drive connected > via USB, to back up that it's hard to believe none of them are > available to you. >
Guest Dickiedriver Posted June 9, 2008 Posted June 9, 2008 Re: is sp3 safe yet? Windows XP Media Center Edition 2002: > "If you install Windows XP SP3 on a computer running Windows XP Media Center > Edition 2002 with SP1, Windows XP Media Center Edition may malfunction. To > avoid this, install Windows XP SP2 before you install Windows XP SP3. If > this issue has already occurred, uninstall Windows XP SP3, install Windows > XP SP2, and then reinstall Windows XP SP3." SP3 Doesn't seem to like MCE 2005 either I recently installed SP3 and rebooted as per instructions only to find that upon reboot IE7 was only usable for 5 mins before it crashed and that Outlook Express 6 refused to work full stop, evan after myself and my ISP had re-configured settings, as far as I'm concerned if there are bugs in the release it shouldn't have been released and looking around the web there is plenty of evidence to suggest that I am not alone Richard "Shenan Stanley" wrote: > Chris wrote: > > while many people have been able to successfully upgrade to sp3, > > i've seen more than enough complains and issues created by > > the pack to make me think twice before downloading it. > > > > i dont want to lose my files, and i currently dont have a way to > > back up my hard drive. > > > > all im looking for is an honest to god yes or no on whether or > > not i should go ahead and update to sp3. > > > > so yes or no? > > Patrick Keenan wrote: > > You can certainly download it without installing it. > > > > It's probably a better idea to download it, and install it from a > > local file, than to use Windows Update. > > > > If you don't have a way to back up your files and don't want to > > lose them, you shouldn't use your PC at all till you resolve that > > major issue. It's never a good idea to use a PC, let alone install a > > service > > pack, without backing it up. > > > > It's very easy to make backups. 500 gig hard disks are under > > $100 now, and external drive cases are around $30. > > > > So no, you shouldn't install it if you have no way to back it up. > > > > What you should do is address the backup issue, determine whether > > you have an AMD processor, then take the steps to install SP3. > > <answers inline from here on> > > George wrote: > > If you have an AMD Chip, don't put SP3 on. > > False. > If you have an AMD chip and think there is a possibility your OEM used an > image made on an Intel chip to 'put' Windows XP onto the system - then you > need to perform a step or two before installing SP3 all because your OEM > messed up things for you. > > > If you have Norton Anti-Virus, don't put SP3 on. > > False. > While some people have better luck installing *anything* with their AV > turned off - on the many I have installed upon so far (60+% with > Norton/Symantec AV - admitrtedly AV *only*) I have not turned off or > uninstalled the AV software nor had any issues by doing this. > > > There are many more reasons not to install SP3 but you need to read > > about the the issues and work-arounds. > > There are no _reasons_ not to install SP3. I can show _excuses_ and _things > that need effort put into them_ because something is already wrong with the > system in question - things that Windows XP SP3 would exasperate if > installed without first fixing them - but that is not a reason to stop the > installation of SP3 - that is a reason to fix what is wrong with your > computer. > > > If you building a computer or have on that has hardly no software > > installed, then you stand a better chance of getting it installed > > without issues. > > No doubt a clean install means the least amount of effort. > > For the rest of the world (including the OP) - the answer is, "Yes, you > should put forth the effort to install SP3 on your Windows XP system. > Excuses can be given things can be postponed - but sooner or later - you > likely will be doing it anyway." > > Prepare for it - backup your stuff (if you don't have a method of doing this > already - spin the barrel again... click... click... boom! = or you could > start doing what one thing is unique about "risk and computers"...) and read > through the known issues and the things that resolve them. Do those things > *before* installing SP3 and then you can install SP3 with the confidence > that worst case is restoring your system to the state you last backed it up > in. Best case - you have cleaned up and fixed problems that already existed > on your system (you don't have to know you have a blood clot to suddenly > drop dead from one) and gotten the latest service pack for your operating > system installed. > > A place to get FREE support for SP3 installation issues *from Microsoft*... > http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?ln=en-us&prid=11273&gprid=522131 > > > WinXP SP3 - Read all prerequisites for a successful installation > http://msmvps.com/blogs/harrywaldron/archive/2008/05/08/windows-xp-sp3-read-all-prerequisites-for-a-successful-installation.aspx > > Steps to take before you install Windows XP Service Pack 3 > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/950717 > > Release Notes for Windows XP Service Pack 3 > http://download.microsoft.com/download/c/d/8/cd8cc719-7d5a-40d3-a802-e4057aa8c631/relnotes.htm > > Key things to note: > > Internet Explorer: > "If you have installed Windows Internet Explorer® 7 or a beta version of > Internet Explorer 8, and then install Windows XP SP3, you cannot uninstall > Internet Explorer. To avoid this, ensure Internet Explorer 7 or a beta > version of Internet Explorer 8 is not installed before installing Windows XP > SP3. If you have already encountered this issue, uninstall Windows XP SP3, > uninstall Internet Explorer, and then reinstall Windows XP SP3." > > Windows XP Media Center Edition 2002: > "If you install Windows XP SP3 on a computer running Windows XP Media Center > Edition 2002 with SP1, Windows XP Media Center Edition may malfunction. To > avoid this, install Windows XP SP2 before you install Windows XP SP3. If > this issue has already occurred, uninstall Windows XP SP3, install Windows > XP SP2, and then reinstall Windows XP SP3." > > It seems some people are unable to get further updates after installing > SP3... Seems some have experienced a symptom similar to doing a repair > installation on Windows XP - and the same fix seems to work for them for > that... > > Updates are not installed successfully from Windows Update, from Microsoft > Update, or by using Automatic Updates after you repair a Windows XP > installation > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/943144 > > Some people experience an "endless reboot" issue... > > From PA Bear [MS MVP]: > Workarounds: > > http://msinfluentials.com/blogs/jesper/archive/2008/05/08/does-your-amd-based-computer-boot-after-installing-xp-sp3.aspx > [NB: The above has been updated many times and now includes "a small tool > that will detect the IntelPPM problem and mitigate it before installing > [WinXP SP3]." > > 1. Boot into Safe Mode and rename INTELPMM.SYS to INTELPMM.OLD. > 2. After booting into Safe Mode: > Start --> Run --> (copy/paste) > sc config intelppm start= disabled > --> OK --> Reboot into normal (Windows) mode. > > Other references include: > .. http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?p=187790#p187790 > .. > http://msinfluentials.com/blogs/jesper/archive/2008/05/08/does-your-amd-based-computer-boot-after-installing-xp-sp3.aspx > .. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05/09/windows_xp_sp3_reboots_crashes/ > .. > http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9084418 > .. You receive a "Stop 0x0000007E" error message after you upgrade to Windows > XP Service Pack 2 or Service Pack 3 on a non-Intel-processor-based computer > (Revised 06 May-08) > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/888372 > > Good luck! > > -- > Shenan Stanley > MS-MVP > -- > How To Ask Questions The Smart Way > http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html > > >
Guest Xandros Posted June 9, 2008 Posted June 9, 2008 Re: is sp3 safe yet? "Dickiedriver" <Dickiedriver@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:88E5CCA7-208E-470B-949F-58C5E001DA6C@microsoft.com... > Windows XP Media Center Edition 2002: >> "If you install Windows XP SP3 on a computer running Windows XP Media >> Center >> Edition 2002 with SP1, Windows XP Media Center Edition may malfunction. >> To >> avoid this, install Windows XP SP2 before you install Windows XP SP3. If >> this issue has already occurred, uninstall Windows XP SP3, install >> Windows >> XP SP2, and then reinstall Windows XP SP3." > > SP3 Doesn't seem to like MCE 2005 either I recently installed SP3 and > rebooted as per instructions only to find that upon reboot IE7 was only > usable for 5 mins before it crashed and that Outlook Express 6 refused to > work full stop, evan after myself and my ISP had re-configured settings, > as > far as I'm concerned if there are bugs in the release it shouldn't have > been > released and looking around the web there is plenty of evidence to suggest > that I am not alone All MS code is bug ladden. That is why the wise will not install a service pack until it has been released for several months. -- Xandros
Guest JCO Posted June 10, 2008 Posted June 10, 2008 Re: is SP3 safe yet? Re: is SP3 safe yet? Newest report now (something bad comes out every day) is that SP3 installs an old version of Flash. That mean you will have to go through the updates and reinstall the updates pertaining to Flash. While this is not a big deal... it fly's in the face of Microsoft who has always stated that the latest service packs are fully inclusive (not true now). Not a big issue but wanted to pass it on. "Patrick Keenan" <test@dev.null> wrote in message news:utMijHFxIHA.3968@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > > "Chris" <Chris@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:DCB3E818-FA36-41ED-A3BA-ACC3EAA9EE26@microsoft.com... >> while many people have been able to successfully upgrade to sp3, i've >> seen >> more than enough complains and issues created by the pack to make me >> think >> twice before downloading it. > > You can certainly download it without installing it. > > It's probably a better idea to download it, and install it from a local > file, than to use Windows Update. > >> >> i dont want to lose my files, and i currently dont have a way to back up >> my >> hard drive. > > If you don't have a way to back up your files and don't want to lose them, > you shouldn't use your PC at all till you resolve that major issue. > > >> all im looking for is an honest to god yes or no on whether or not i >> should >> go ahead and update to sp3. >> >> so yes or no? > > It's never a good idea to use a PC, let alone install a service pack, > without backing it up. > > It's very easy to make backups. 500 gig hard disks are under $100 now, > and external drive cases are around $30. > > So no, you shouldn't install it if you have no way to back it up. > > What you should do is address the backup issue, determine whether you have > an AMD processor, then take the steps to install SP3. > > HTH > -pk > >
Guest Wiz-less Posted September 11, 2008 Posted September 11, 2008 Re: is sp3 safe yet? I wish I had seen this before ! I have AMD and Norton - I lost all my programs and the "restore point" was no use at all. My data is safe but my programs have all gone and it is taking a long time to get back. To add insult to injury Microsoft still want me to attempt SP3 again. I'm very very very angry. "George" wrote: > If you have an AMD Chip, don't put SP3 on. > If you have Norton Anti-Virus, don't put SP3 on. > There are many more reasons not to install SP3 but you need to read about > the the issues and work-arounds. > > If you building a computer or have on that has hardly no software installed, > then you stand a better chance of getting it installed without issues. > > "Patrick Keenan" <test@dev.null> wrote in message > news:utMijHFxIHA.3968@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > > > > "Chris" <Chris@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > > news:DCB3E818-FA36-41ED-A3BA-ACC3EAA9EE26@microsoft.com... > >> while many people have been able to successfully upgrade to sp3, i've > >> seen > >> more than enough complains and issues created by the pack to make me > >> think > >> twice before downloading it. > > > > You can certainly download it without installing it. > > > > It's probably a better idea to download it, and install it from a local > > file, than to use Windows Update. > > > >> > >> i dont want to lose my files, and i currently dont have a way to back up > >> my > >> hard drive. > > > > If you don't have a way to back up your files and don't want to lose them, > > you shouldn't use your PC at all till you resolve that major issue. > > > > > >> all im looking for is an honest to god yes or no on whether or not i > >> should > >> go ahead and update to sp3. > >> > >> so yes or no? > > > > It's never a good idea to use a PC, let alone install a service pack, > > without backing it up. > > > > It's very easy to make backups. 500 gig hard disks are under $100 now, > > and external drive cases are around $30. > > > > So no, you shouldn't install it if you have no way to back it up. > > > > What you should do is address the backup issue, determine whether you have > > an AMD processor, then take the steps to install SP3. > > > > HTH > > -pk > > > > >
Guest Mike Hall - MVP Posted September 11, 2008 Posted September 11, 2008 Re: is sp3 safe yet? "Wiz-less" <Wiz-less@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:537D5D50-2862-4C2B-956E-227C1AEE50DB@microsoft.com... >I wish I had seen this before ! I have AMD and Norton - I lost all my > programs and the "restore point" was no use at all. My data is safe but > my > programs have all gone and it is taking a long time to get back. To add > insult to injury Microsoft still want me to attempt SP3 again. I'm very > very > very angry. > > > "George" wrote: > >> If you have an AMD Chip, don't put SP3 on. >> If you have Norton Anti-Virus, don't put SP3 on. >> There are many more reasons not to install SP3 but you need to read about >> the the issues and work-arounds. >> >> If you building a computer or have on that has hardly no software >> installed, >> then you stand a better chance of getting it installed without issues. >> >> "Patrick Keenan" <test@dev.null> wrote in message >> news:utMijHFxIHA.3968@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> > >> > "Chris" <Chris@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> > news:DCB3E818-FA36-41ED-A3BA-ACC3EAA9EE26@microsoft.com... >> >> while many people have been able to successfully upgrade to sp3, i've >> >> seen >> >> more than enough complains and issues created by the pack to make me >> >> think >> >> twice before downloading it. >> > >> > You can certainly download it without installing it. >> > >> > It's probably a better idea to download it, and install it from a local >> > file, than to use Windows Update. >> > >> >> >> >> i dont want to lose my files, and i currently dont have a way to back >> >> up >> >> my >> >> hard drive. >> > >> > If you don't have a way to back up your files and don't want to lose >> > them, >> > you shouldn't use your PC at all till you resolve that major issue. >> > >> > >> >> all im looking for is an honest to god yes or no on whether or not i >> >> should >> >> go ahead and update to sp3. >> >> >> >> so yes or no? >> > >> > It's never a good idea to use a PC, let alone install a service pack, >> > without backing it up. >> > >> > It's very easy to make backups. 500 gig hard disks are under $100 >> > now, >> > and external drive cases are around $30. >> > >> > So no, you shouldn't install it if you have no way to back it up. >> > >> > What you should do is address the backup issue, determine whether you >> > have >> > an AMD processor, then take the steps to install SP3. >> > >> > HTH >> > -pk >> > >> > >> I installed SP3 on two AMD systems that were NOT running Norton <anything>.. had no problems at all.. -- Mike Hall - MVP How to construct a good post.. http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups.. http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc Mike's Window - My Blog.. http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx
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