USB Voodoo?

[Guest jim]

How can I make XP see an external USB drive as an internal hard drive.

 

There is an article posted at

http://www.msfn.org/board/A-Multiple-Partition-USB-Stick-with-Mult-t69211.html#entry474505

that claims to show how its done, but it has a link to a driver that no

longer exists.

 

I am still Googling, but haven't found an answer yet.

 

I need to have XP see my external USB drives as internal drive so that my

backup software will image the USB drives.

 

Thanks!

 

jim

[Guest jim]

Re: USB Voodoo?

 

 

"jim" <jim@home.net> wrote in message

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> How can I make XP see an external USB drive as an internal hard drive.

>

> There is an article posted at

> http://www.msfn.org/board/A-Multiple-Partition-USB-Stick-with-Mult-t69211.html#entry474505

> that claims to show how its done, but it has a link to a driver that no

> longer exists.

>

> I am still Googling, but haven't found an answer yet.

>

> I need to have XP see my external USB drives as internal drive so that my

> backup software will image the USB drives.

>

> Thanks!

>

> jim

 

nvmd - they are showing in explorer as local hard drives, but Acronis True

Image 11 Home won;t see any of my USB drives that are partitioned the way I

need them to be partitioned (with FAT32, Ext2 and LinuxSwap partitions to

run Linux from a USB drive).

 

I've spent so much time getting the USB drives the way that I want them, I

just want to be able to image them to protect myself from data (or USB)

loss.

 

Any ideas?

 

jim

[Guest jim]

Re: USB Voodoo?

 

 

"jim" <jim@home.net> wrote in message

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>

> "jim" <jim@home.net> wrote in message

> news:y3C1k.4159$bF6.3945@bignews1.bellsouth.net...

>> How can I make XP see an external USB drive as an internal hard drive.

>>

>> There is an article posted at

>> http://www.msfn.org/board/A-Multiple-Partition-USB-Stick-with-Mult-t69211.html#entry474505

>> that claims to show how its done, but it has a link to a driver that no

>> longer exists.

>>

>> I am still Googling, but haven't found an answer yet.

>>

>> I need to have XP see my external USB drives as internal drive so that my

>> backup software will image the USB drives.

>>

>> Thanks!

>>

>> jim

>

> nvmd - they are showing in explorer as local hard drives, but Acronis True

> Image 11 Home won;t see any of my USB drives that are partitioned the way

> I need them to be partitioned (with FAT32, Ext2 and LinuxSwap partitions

> to run Linux from a USB drive).

>

> I've spent so much time getting the USB drives the way that I want them, I

> just want to be able to image them to protect myself from data (or USB)

> loss.

>

> Any ideas?

>

> jim

 

Just in case you are looking for that missing driver that I spoke of in the

original post, I found it at

http://xpefiles.com/cs/files/folders/hardware/entry616.aspx .

 

jim

[Guest Bill in Co.]

Re: USB Voodoo?

 

Why don't you SIMPLY get another USB drive, and copy it to the other?

OR copy the entire drive to a directory on your hard disk? What's the big

deal? You're making too much out of this.

 

jim wrote:

> "jim" <jim@home.net> wrote in message

> news:y3C1k.4159$bF6.3945@bignews1.bellsouth.net...

>> How can I make XP see an external USB drive as an internal hard drive.

>>

>> There is an article posted at

>> http://www.msfn.org/board/A-Multiple-Partition-USB-Stick-with-Mult-t69211.html#entry474505

>> that claims to show how its done, but it has a link to a driver that no

>> longer exists.

>>

>> I am still Googling, but haven't found an answer yet.

>>

>> I need to have XP see my external USB drives as internal drive so that my

>> backup software will image the USB drives.

>>

>> Thanks!

>>

>> jim

>

> nvmd - they are showing in explorer as local hard drives, but Acronis True

> Image 11 Home won;t see any of my USB drives that are partitioned the way

> I

> need them to be partitioned (with FAT32, Ext2 and LinuxSwap partitions to

> run Linux from a USB drive).

>

> I've spent so much time getting the USB drives the way that I want them, I

> just want to be able to image them to protect myself from data (or USB)

> loss.

>

> Any ideas?

>

> jim

[Guest jim]

Re: USB Voodoo?

 

Not really Billster. I want to make an image of a drive with multiple

partitions for easy restoration in case I screw up the first, lose it or

just want to give a copy to a friend.

 

I don't see why apps like Acronis True Image Home 11 refuse to see or image

drives with multiple partitions. They work on internal hard drives with

multiple partitions. It just doesn;t make sense, or make my life any

easier.

 

But, screw ease of use. I'll try ANY software that will make an image of my

USB drives.

 

Got bits?

 

jim

 

 

"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

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> Why don't you SIMPLY get another USB drive, and copy it to the other?

> OR copy the entire drive to a directory on your hard disk? What's the

> big deal? You're making too much out of this.

>

> jim wrote:

>> "jim" <jim@home.net> wrote in message

>> news:y3C1k.4159$bF6.3945@bignews1.bellsouth.net...

>>> How can I make XP see an external USB drive as an internal hard drive.

>>>

>>> There is an article posted at

>>> http://www.msfn.org/board/A-Multiple-Partition-USB-Stick-with-Mult-t69211.html#entry474505

>>> that claims to show how its done, but it has a link to a driver that no

>>> longer exists.

>>>

>>> I am still Googling, but haven't found an answer yet.

>>>

>>> I need to have XP see my external USB drives as internal drive so that

>>> my

>>> backup software will image the USB drives.

>>>

>>> Thanks!

>>>

>>> jim

>>

>> nvmd - they are showing in explorer as local hard drives, but Acronis

>> True

>> Image 11 Home won;t see any of my USB drives that are partitioned the way

>> I

>> need them to be partitioned (with FAT32, Ext2 and LinuxSwap partitions to

>> run Linux from a USB drive).

>>

>> I've spent so much time getting the USB drives the way that I want them,

>> I

>> just want to be able to image them to protect myself from data (or USB)

>> loss.

>>

>> Any ideas?

>>

>> jim

>

>

[Guest Bill in Co.]

Re: USB Voodoo?

 

jim wrote:

> Not really Billster. I want to make an image of a drive with multiple

> partitions for easy restoration in case I screw up the first, lose it or

> just want to give a copy to a friend.

 

What's so difficult about what I suggested? If you copy the USB drive

(including all folders) to a folder on the hard drive (or another USB flash

drive), you can *easily* copy that back to another USB drive should the need

arise in windows explorer. I mean, like for USB flash drives, which are

often 4 GB or less, big deal!

> I don't see why apps like Acronis True Image Home 11 refuse to see or

> image

> drives with multiple partitions. They work on internal hard drives with

> multiple partitions.

 

Exactly - work on INTERNAL hard drives (which are HUGE) with multiple

partitions.

In contrast, the external USB flash drives are small and easily copied

(including their subdirectories) in windows explorer.

> It just doesn;t make sense, or make my life any easier.

>

> But, screw ease of use. I'll try ANY software that will make an image of

> my

> USB drives.

>

> Got bits?

>

> jim

>

>

> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

> news:OYhB71nxIHA.524@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>> Why don't you SIMPLY get another USB drive, and copy it to the other?

>> OR copy the entire drive to a directory on your hard disk? What's the

>> big deal? You're making too much out of this.

>>

>> jim wrote:

>>> "jim" <jim@home.net> wrote in message

>>> news:y3C1k.4159$bF6.3945@bignews1.bellsouth.net...

>>>> How can I make XP see an external USB drive as an internal hard drive.

>>>>

>>>> There is an article posted at

>>>> http://www.msfn.org/board/A-Multiple-Partition-USB-Stick-with-Mult-t69211.html#entry474505

>>>> that claims to show how its done, but it has a link to a driver that no

>>>> longer exists.

>>>>

>>>> I am still Googling, but haven't found an answer yet.

>>>>

>>>> I need to have XP see my external USB drives as internal drive so that

>>>> my

>>>> backup software will image the USB drives.

>>>>

>>>> Thanks!

>>>>

>>>> jim

>>>

>>> nvmd - they are showing in explorer as local hard drives, but Acronis

>>> True

>>> Image 11 Home won;t see any of my USB drives that are partitioned the

>>> way

>>> I

>>> need them to be partitioned (with FAT32, Ext2 and LinuxSwap partitions

>>> to

>>> run Linux from a USB drive).

>>>

>>> I've spent so much time getting the USB drives the way that I want them,

>>> I

>>> just want to be able to image them to protect myself from data (or USB)

>>> loss.

>>>

>>> Any ideas?

>>>

>>> jim

[Guest jim]

Re: USB Voodoo?

 

 

"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

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> jim wrote:

>> Not really Billster. I want to make an image of a drive with multiple

>> partitions for easy restoration in case I screw up the first, lose it or

>> just want to give a copy to a friend.

>

> What's so difficult about what I suggested? If you copy the USB drive

> (including all folders) to a folder on the hard drive (or another USB

> flash drive), you can *easily* copy that back to another USB drive should

> the need arise in windows explorer. I mean, like for USB flash drives,

> which are often 4 GB or less, big deal!

 

I really appreciate your enthusiasm and willingness to contribute. But,

copying folders and copying partitioins are 2 different things. If you

don't beleive me, just make a copy of all your files on your hard drive and

use those to restore your hard drive if it fails.

 

I want to replicate the whole USB drive, including the Linux partitions.

>

>> I don't see why apps like Acronis True Image Home 11 refuse to see or

>> image

>> drives with multiple partitions. They work on internal hard drives with

>> multiple partitions.

>

> Exactly - work on INTERNAL hard drives (which are HUGE) with multiple

> partitions.

> In contrast, the external USB flash drives are small and easily copied

> (including their subdirectories) in windows explorer.

 

Subdirectories are not partitions Bill.

>

>> It just doesn;t make sense, or make my life any easier.

>>

>> But, screw ease of use. I'll try ANY software that will make an image of

>> my

>> USB drives.

>>

>> Got bits?

>>

>> jim

>>

>>

>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

>> news:OYhB71nxIHA.524@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>> Why don't you SIMPLY get another USB drive, and copy it to the other?

>>> OR copy the entire drive to a directory on your hard disk? What's the

>>> big deal? You're making too much out of this.

>>>

>>> jim wrote:

>>>> "jim" <jim@home.net> wrote in message

>>>> news:y3C1k.4159$bF6.3945@bignews1.bellsouth.net...

>>>>> How can I make XP see an external USB drive as an internal hard drive.

>>>>>

>>>>> There is an article posted at

>>>>> http://www.msfn.org/board/A-Multiple-Partition-USB-Stick-with-Mult-t69211.html#entry474505

>>>>> that claims to show how its done, but it has a link to a driver that

>>>>> no

>>>>> longer exists.

>>>>>

>>>>> I am still Googling, but haven't found an answer yet.

>>>>>

>>>>> I need to have XP see my external USB drives as internal drive so that

>>>>> my

>>>>> backup software will image the USB drives.

>>>>>

>>>>> Thanks!

>>>>>

>>>>> jim

>>>>

>>>> nvmd - they are showing in explorer as local hard drives, but Acronis

>>>> True

>>>> Image 11 Home won;t see any of my USB drives that are partitioned the

>>>> way

>>>> I

>>>> need them to be partitioned (with FAT32, Ext2 and LinuxSwap partitions

>>>> to

>>>> run Linux from a USB drive).

>>>>

>>>> I've spent so much time getting the USB drives the way that I want

>>>> them,

>>>> I

>>>> just want to be able to image them to protect myself from data (or USB)

>>>> loss.

>>>>

>>>> Any ideas?

>>>>

>>>> jim

>

>

[Guest Bill in Co.]

Re: USB Voodoo?

 

jim wrote:

> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

> news:eLABzCoxIHA.4564@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>> jim wrote:

>>> Not really Billster. I want to make an image of a drive with multiple

>>> partitions for easy restoration in case I screw up the first, lose it or

>>> just want to give a copy to a friend.

>>

>> What's so difficult about what I suggested? If you copy the USB drive

>> (including all folders) to a folder on the hard drive (or another USB

>> flash drive), you can *easily* copy that back to another USB drive should

>> the need arise in windows explorer. I mean, like for USB flash drives,

>> which are often 4 GB or less, big deal!

>

> I really appreciate your enthusiasm and willingness to contribute. But,

> copying folders and copying partitioins are 2 different things.

 

I know that. Hello!

> If you don't beleive me, just make a copy of all your files on your hard

> drive and

> use those to restore your hard drive if it fails.

>

> I want to replicate the whole USB drive, including the Linux partitions.

 

OH. OK, now that's a bit different. And I suppose you want bootable,

too.

Well, ok then! In such a case, you're right - you either need partition

copying, cloning, or imaging, capability.

>>> I don't see why apps like Acronis True Image Home 11 refuse to see or

>>> image drives with multiple partitions. They work on internal hard

>>> drives with

>>> multiple partitions.

>>

>> Exactly - work on INTERNAL hard drives (which are HUGE) with multiple

>> partitions. In contrast, the external USB flash drives are small and

>> easily copied

>> (including their subdirectories) in windows explorer.

>

> Subdirectories are not partitions Bill.

 

Nope, and I never said they were.

But I must have missed your real "need" for a partition or image copy (and

not just a complete set of files, copy)

>>> It just doesn;t make sense, or make my life any easier.

>>>

>>> But, screw ease of use. I'll try ANY software that will make an image

>>> of

>>> my USB drives.

>>>

>>> Got bits?

>>>

>>> jim

>>>

>>>

>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

>>> news:OYhB71nxIHA.524@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>>> Why don't you SIMPLY get another USB drive, and copy it to the other?

>>>> OR copy the entire drive to a directory on your hard disk? What's

>>>> the

>>>> big deal? You're making too much out of this.

>>>>

>>>> jim wrote:

>>>>> "jim" <jim@home.net> wrote in message

>>>>> news:y3C1k.4159$bF6.3945@bignews1.bellsouth.net...

>>>>>> How can I make XP see an external USB drive as an internal hard

>>>>>> drive.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> There is an article posted at

>>>>>> http://www.msfn.org/board/A-Multiple-Partition-USB-Stick-with-Mult-t69211.html#entry474505

>>>>>> that claims to show how its done, but it has a link to a driver that

>>>>>> no

>>>>>> longer exists.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I am still Googling, but haven't found an answer yet.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I need to have XP see my external USB drives as internal drive so

>>>>>> that

>>>>>> my backup software will image the USB drives.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Thanks!

>>>>>>

>>>>>> jim

>>>>>

>>>>> nvmd - they are showing in explorer as local hard drives, but Acronis

>>>>> True

>>>>> Image 11 Home won;t see any of my USB drives that are partitioned the

>>>>> way

>>>>> I

>>>>> need them to be partitioned (with FAT32, Ext2 and LinuxSwap partitions

>>>>> to

>>>>> run Linux from a USB drive).

>>>>>

>>>>> I've spent so much time getting the USB drives the way that I want

>>>>> them,

>>>>> I

>>>>> just want to be able to image them to protect myself from data (or

>>>>> USB)

>>>>> loss.

>>>>>

>>>>> Any ideas?

>>>>>

>>>>> jim

[Guest bw]

Re: USB Voodoo?

 

http://xpefiles.com/cs/files/folders/hardware/entry616.aspx

[Guest Anna]

Re: USB Voodoo?

 

 

"jim" <jim@home.net> wrote in message

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> How can I make XP see an external USB drive as an internal hard drive.

>

> There is an article posted at

> http://www.msfn.org/board/A-Multiple-Partition-USB-Stick-with-Mult-t69211.html#entry474505

> that claims to show how its done, but it has a link to a driver that no

> longer exists.

>

> I am still Googling, but haven't found an answer yet.

>

> I need to have XP see my external USB drives as internal drive so that my

> backup software will image the USB drives.

>

> Thanks!

>

> jim

 

 

Jim:

Just so we have a clear idea of your situation and objective...

 

Re the USBEHD that will serve as the "source" disk of the disk image...

I take it from your query that for one reason or another you're unable to

boot to your internal HDD with the USBEHD connected. Is that it? But

assuming the system is bootable, is there any reason why that USBEHD would

not be connected as would be the usual case?

 

Obviously if you had a bootable system (re your internal HDD) there would be

no problem using your installed disk-imaging program in creating a disk

image of the connected USBEHD and storing that image on another drive (which

I'm assuming is your intent). But I'm sure you're aware of this so I'm

puzzled as to your situation and intent.

 

Now if for one reason or another you do *not* have a bootable system, you

could still create a disk image of the USBEHD and store it on another drive,

presumably another USBEHD?

 

If you were using a disk-imaging program such as Acronis True Image, you can

create what Acronis calls its "bootable rescue media" - in effect a bootable

CD containing the ATI program. (Other disk-imaging/disk-cloning programs

have similar media). And you could use that media to create the disk image

of one USBEHD and store it on another drive, again presumably another USBEHD

if that's what you want.

 

I'm pretty sure you can do this with the Acronis program - it's been a while

since I worked with that program re the disk-imaging process.

 

Of course I'm puzzled as to why you want or need to perform this kind of

operation (unless I'm misunderstanding your intent).

 

I know that you can do this (again, if I correctly understand what you're

trying to do) with the disk-cloning program we routinely use - the Casper 4

program. But this is a disk-to-disk cloning program not a disk-imaging

program. The Casper program also has a bootable "Startup Disk" which

contains the program so that by connecting the two USBEHDs and using that

Startup Disk a user could clone the contents of one USBEHD to another

USBEHD. Again, I'm hard-pressed to understand the purpose of this.

 

Now that I re:read your query I'm thinking that the USBEHD that will serve

as your "source" drive is not being used (in its usual role) as the

recipient of the disk-image of your internal day-to-day working HDD. Is that

it? Your USBEHD contains different data from your internal HDD of one sort

or another so you want to create a disk image of that data. Do I have this

right?

Anna

[Guest PD43]

Re: USB Voodoo?

 

"jim" <jim@home.net> wrote:

>Image 11 Home won;t see any of my USB drives that are partitioned the way I

>need them to be partitioned (with FAT32, Ext2 and LinuxSwap partitions to

>run Linux from a USB drive).

>

>I've spent so much time getting the USB drives the way that I want them, I

>just want to be able to image them to protect myself from data (or USB)

>loss.

>

>Any ideas?

 

Why did you ignore me when I told you in your first thread that the

flash drive had to be formatted NTFS to be imaged using ATI?

 

That came directly from the True Image support forum.

[Guest jim]

Re: USB Voodoo?

 

 

"PD43" <pauld1943@comcast.net> wrote in message

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> "jim" <jim@home.net> wrote:

>

>>Image 11 Home won;t see any of my USB drives that are partitioned the way

>>I

>>need them to be partitioned (with FAT32, Ext2 and LinuxSwap partitions to

>>run Linux from a USB drive).

>>

>>I've spent so much time getting the USB drives the way that I want them, I

>>just want to be able to image them to protect myself from data (or USB)

>>loss.

>>

>>Any ideas?

>

> Why did you ignore me when I told you in your first thread that the

> flash drive had to be formatted NTFS to be imaged using ATI?

>

> That came directly from the True Image support forum.

 

Because you ignored the formats that I said I was trying to image in the

original post.

 

If I had to format the drive to NTFS, it would destroy my Live Linux drive.

 

Now, how much good would that do, when I am trying to image the drives to

dafeguard the data and partitions.

 

That makes no sense at all.

 

jim

[Guest PD43]

Re: USB Voodoo?

 

"jim" <jim@home.net> wrote:

>> Why did you ignore me when I told you in your first thread that the

>> flash drive had to be formatted NTFS to be imaged using ATI?

>>

>> That came directly from the True Image support forum.

>

>Because you ignored the formats that I said I was trying to image in the

>original post.

>

>If I had to format the drive to NTFS, it would destroy my Live Linux drive.

>

>Now, how much good would that do, when I am trying to image the drives to

>dafeguard the data and partitions.

>

>That makes no sense at all.

 

Then don't even think about trying to use Acronis True Image for your

project.

[Guest jim]

Re: USB Voodoo?

 

 

"Anna" <myname@myisp.net> wrote in message

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>

> "jim" <jim@home.net> wrote in message

> news:y3C1k.4159$bF6.3945@bignews1.bellsouth.net...

>> How can I make XP see an external USB drive as an internal hard drive.

>>

>> There is an article posted at

>> http://www.msfn.org/board/A-Multiple-Partition-USB-Stick-with-Mult-t69211.html#entry474505

>> that claims to show how its done, but it has a link to a driver that no

>> longer exists.

>>

>> I am still Googling, but haven't found an answer yet.

>>

>> I need to have XP see my external USB drives as internal drive so that my

>> backup software will image the USB drives.

>>

>> Thanks!

>>

>> jim

>

>

> Jim:

> Just so we have a clear idea of your situation and objective...

>

> Re the USBEHD that will serve as the "source" disk of the disk image...

> I take it from your query that for one reason or another you're unable to

> boot to your internal HDD with the USBEHD connected. Is that it? But

> assuming the system is bootable, is there any reason why that USBEHD would

> not be connected as would be the usual case?

>

> Obviously if you had a bootable system (re your internal HDD) there would

> be no problem using your installed disk-imaging program in creating a disk

> image of the connected USBEHD and storing that image on another drive

> (which I'm assuming is your intent). But I'm sure you're aware of this so

> I'm puzzled as to your situation and intent.

 

I am sometimes called to recover failed hard drives at small businesses.

Usually, I remove the hdd, connect it to my laptop and do a recovery or I

use something like Hiren's Boot cd to fix simple issues.

 

However, I have found that using a USB drive as my boot drive, I may be able

to recover files from the damaged hdd and save them directly to the USB

drive. I have also found some tools in the Linux distro that I want to use

that there are no (or very expensive) options for in the DOS and XP bootable

CDs that I have been using.

 

To me, the obvious solution was to use a live, bootabel Linux USB drive with

the ability to save key files to the USB drive.

 

I have that USB drive created. It boots like it should and saves the files

like it should. Getting it "just right" took many hours (partially because

I have such little experience with Linux) and I now wnat to image the USB

drive (Linux partitions and all) to safeguard all the work that I have done

to get this far.

> Now if for one reason or another you do *not* have a bootable system, you

> could still create a disk image of the USBEHD and store it on another

> drive, presumably another USBEHD?

 

Yes, you could. But, you'd be losing the ability to store files that you

may be trying to recover using the Live Linux USB drive.

> If you were using a disk-imaging program such as Acronis True Image, you

> can create what Acronis calls its "bootable rescue media" - in effect a

> bootable CD containing the ATI program. (Other disk-imaging/disk-cloning

> programs have similar media). And you could use that media to create the

> disk image of one USBEHD and store it on another drive, again presumably

> another USBEHD if that's what you want.

>

> I'm pretty sure you can do this with the Acronis program - it's been a

> while since I worked with that program re the disk-imaging process.

 

You can't. I tried it with Acronis TI Home 11. It doesn't see the Ext2 or

Linux swap partitions. It will only back up the FAT32 partition.

> Of course I'm puzzled as to why you want or need to perform this kind of

> operation (unless I'm misunderstanding your intent).

 

(see above)

> I know that you can do this (again, if I correctly understand what you're

> trying to do) with the disk-cloning program we routinely use - the Casper

> 4 program. But this is a disk-to-disk cloning program not a disk-imaging

> program. The Casper program also has a bootable "Startup Disk" which

> contains the program so that by connecting the two USBEHDs and using that

> Startup Disk a user could clone the contents of one USBEHD to another

> USBEHD. Again, I'm hard-pressed to understand the purpose of this.

 

That's better than nothing. Perhaps I'll try it tonight and see if it

works. First, there is another app that does images that says it reads

Linux partitions. I'll try it and let you know what it is if it works.

 

jim

[Guest Bill in Co.]

Re: USB Voodoo?

 

jim wrote:

> "Anna" <myname@myisp.net> wrote in message

> news:%23vlCRooxIHA.4864@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>

>> "jim" <jim@home.net> wrote in message

>> news:y3C1k.4159$bF6.3945@bignews1.bellsouth.net...

>>> How can I make XP see an external USB drive as an internal hard drive.

>>>

>>> There is an article posted at

>>> http://www.msfn.org/board/A-Multiple-Partition-USB-Stick-with-Mult-t69211.html#entry474505

>>> that claims to show how its done, but it has a link to a driver that no

>>> longer exists.

>>>

>>> I am still Googling, but haven't found an answer yet.

>>>

>>> I need to have XP see my external USB drives as internal drive so that

>>> my

>>> backup software will image the USB drives.

>>>

>>> Thanks!

>>>

>>> jim

>>

>>

>> Jim:

>> Just so we have a clear idea of your situation and objective...

>>

>> Re the USBEHD that will serve as the "source" disk of the disk image...

>> I take it from your query that for one reason or another you're unable to

>> boot to your internal HDD with the USBEHD connected. Is that it? But

>> assuming the system is bootable, is there any reason why that USBEHD

>> would

>> not be connected as would be the usual case?

>>

>> Obviously if you had a bootable system (re your internal HDD) there would

>> be no problem using your installed disk-imaging program in creating a

>> disk

>> image of the connected USBEHD and storing that image on another drive

>> (which I'm assuming is your intent). But I'm sure you're aware of this so

>> I'm puzzled as to your situation and intent.

>

> I am sometimes called to recover failed hard drives at small businesses.

> Usually, I remove the hdd, connect it to my laptop and do a recovery or I

> use something like Hiren's Boot cd to fix simple issues.

>

> However, I have found that using a USB drive as my boot drive, I may be

> able

> to recover files from the damaged hdd and save them directly to the USB

> drive. I have also found some tools in the Linux distro that I want to

> use

> that there are no (or very expensive) options for in the DOS and XP

> bootable

> CDs that I have been using.

>

> To me, the obvious solution was to use a live, bootable Linux USB drive

> with

> the ability to save key files to the USB drive.

 

You know, it *really* would have been helpful if you had stated this a bit

earlier. :-)

 

At least I, for one, would have understood WHY you (allegedly) needed an

image, partition, or clone backup of the USB drive, and that a basic file

copy (including subdirectories) wasn't acceptable. (You'd be surprised at

what some people say they need, but what they really want).

> I have that USB drive created. It boots like it should and saves the

> files

> like it should. Getting it "just right" took many hours (partially

> because

> I have such little experience with Linux) and I now wnat to image the USB

> drive (Linux partitions and all) to safeguard all the work that I have

> done

> to get this far.

>

>> Now if for one reason or another you do *not* have a bootable system, you

>> could still create a disk image of the USBEHD and store it on another

>> drive, presumably another USBEHD?

>

> Yes, you could. But, you'd be losing the ability to store files that you

> may be trying to recover using the Live Linux USB drive.

>

>> If you were using a disk-imaging program such as Acronis True Image, you

>> can create what Acronis calls its "bootable rescue media" - in effect a

>> bootable CD containing the ATI program. (Other disk-imaging/disk-cloning

>> programs have similar media). And you could use that media to create the

>> disk image of one USBEHD and store it on another drive, again presumably

>> another USBEHD if that's what you want.

>>

>> I'm pretty sure you can do this with the Acronis program - it's been a

>> while since I worked with that program re the disk-imaging process.

>

> You can't. I tried it with Acronis TI Home 11. It doesn't see the Ext2

> or

> Linux swap partitions. It will only back up the FAT32 partition.

>

>> Of course I'm puzzled as to why you want or need to perform this kind of

>> operation (unless I'm misunderstanding your intent).

 

So was I, Anna. You're weren't the only one. :-)

> (see above)

>

>> I know that you can do this (again, if I correctly understand what you're

>> trying to do) with the disk-cloning program we routinely use - the Casper

>> 4 program. But this is a disk-to-disk cloning program not a disk-imaging

>> program. The Casper program also has a bootable "Startup Disk" which

>> contains the program so that by connecting the two USBEHDs and using that

>> Startup Disk a user could clone the contents of one USBEHD to another

>> USBEHD. Again, I'm hard-pressed to understand the purpose of this.

>

> That's better than nothing. Perhaps I'll try it tonight and see if it

> works. First, there is another app that does images that says it reads

> Linux partitions. I'll try it and let you know what it is if it works.

>

> jim

[Guest jim]

Re: USB Voodoo?

 

 

"jim" <jim@home.net> wrote in message

news:7IF1k.4277$bF6.2862@bignews1.bellsouth.net...

>

> "Anna" <myname@myisp.net> wrote in message

> news:%23vlCRooxIHA.4864@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>

>> "jim" <jim@home.net> wrote in message

>> news:y3C1k.4159$bF6.3945@bignews1.bellsouth.net...

>>> How can I make XP see an external USB drive as an internal hard drive.

>>>

>>> There is an article posted at

>>> http://www.msfn.org/board/A-Multiple-Partition-USB-Stick-with-Mult-t69211.html#entry474505

>>> that claims to show how its done, but it has a link to a driver that no

>>> longer exists.

>>>

>>> I am still Googling, but haven't found an answer yet.

>>>

>>> I need to have XP see my external USB drives as internal drive so that

>>> my backup software will image the USB drives.

>>>

>>> Thanks!

>>>

>>> jim

>>

>>

>> Jim:

>> Just so we have a clear idea of your situation and objective...

>>

>> Re the USBEHD that will serve as the "source" disk of the disk image...

>> I take it from your query that for one reason or another you're unable to

>> boot to your internal HDD with the USBEHD connected. Is that it? But

>> assuming the system is bootable, is there any reason why that USBEHD

>> would not be connected as would be the usual case?

>>

>> Obviously if you had a bootable system (re your internal HDD) there would

>> be no problem using your installed disk-imaging program in creating a

>> disk image of the connected USBEHD and storing that image on another

>> drive (which I'm assuming is your intent). But I'm sure you're aware of

>> this so I'm puzzled as to your situation and intent.

>

> I am sometimes called to recover failed hard drives at small businesses.

> Usually, I remove the hdd, connect it to my laptop and do a recovery or I

> use something like Hiren's Boot cd to fix simple issues.

>

> However, I have found that using a USB drive as my boot drive, I may be

> able to recover files from the damaged hdd and save them directly to the

> USB drive. I have also found some tools in the Linux distro that I want

> to use that there are no (or very expensive) options for in the DOS and XP

> bootable CDs that I have been using.

>

> To me, the obvious solution was to use a live, bootabel Linux USB drive

> with the ability to save key files to the USB drive.

>

> I have that USB drive created. It boots like it should and saves the

> files like it should. Getting it "just right" took many hours (partially

> because I have such little experience with Linux) and I now wnat to image

> the USB drive (Linux partitions and all) to safeguard all the work that I

> have done to get this far.

>

>> Now if for one reason or another you do *not* have a bootable system, you

>> could still create a disk image of the USBEHD and store it on another

>> drive, presumably another USBEHD?

>

> Yes, you could. But, you'd be losing the ability to store files that you

> may be trying to recover using the Live Linux USB drive.

>

>> If you were using a disk-imaging program such as Acronis True Image, you

>> can create what Acronis calls its "bootable rescue media" - in effect a

>> bootable CD containing the ATI program. (Other disk-imaging/disk-cloning

>> programs have similar media). And you could use that media to create the

>> disk image of one USBEHD and store it on another drive, again presumably

>> another USBEHD if that's what you want.

>>

>> I'm pretty sure you can do this with the Acronis program - it's been a

>> while since I worked with that program re the disk-imaging process.

>

> You can't. I tried it with Acronis TI Home 11. It doesn't see the Ext2

> or Linux swap partitions. It will only back up the FAT32 partition.

>

>> Of course I'm puzzled as to why you want or need to perform this kind of

>> operation (unless I'm misunderstanding your intent).

>

> (see above)

>

>> I know that you can do this (again, if I correctly understand what you're

>> trying to do) with the disk-cloning program we routinely use - the Casper

>> 4 program. But this is a disk-to-disk cloning program not a disk-imaging

>> program. The Casper program also has a bootable "Startup Disk" which

>> contains the program so that by connecting the two USBEHDs and using that

>> Startup Disk a user could clone the contents of one USBEHD to another

>> USBEHD. Again, I'm hard-pressed to understand the purpose of this.

>

> That's better than nothing. Perhaps I'll try it tonight and see if it

> works. First, there is another app that does images that says it reads

> Linux partitions. I'll try it and let you know what it is if it works.

>

> jim

 

Thanks to another poster I tried Terabyte's Win Image software

(http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/products.htm).

 

You have to make a bootable CD and boot into DOS to use it to image your USB

drives. I'm not really sure why this isn't possiblke directly from Windows.

 

And, it is really slow. It took almost 20 minutes to image a USB 2.0 8GB

drive with FAT32, Ext2 and Linux swap partitions. It took 58 minute to

restore it.

 

Although it does require rebooting into DOs and it is slow, it is better

than losing your data.

 

jim

[Guest PD43]

Re: USB Voodoo?

 

"jim" <jim@home.net> wrote:

>Thanks to another poster I tried Terabyte's Win Image software

>(http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/products.htm).

>

>You have to make a bootable CD and boot into DOS to use it to image your USB

>drives. I'm not really sure why this isn't possiblke directly from Windows.

>

>And, it is really slow. It took almost 20 minutes to image a USB 2.0 8GB

>drive with FAT32, Ext2 and Linux swap partitions. It took 58 minute to

>restore it.

>

>Although it does require rebooting into DOs and it is slow, it is better

>than losing your data.

 

Did you ever try booting to an Acronis CD? The CD is Linux-based.

[Guest jim]

Re: USB Voodoo?

 

 

"PD43" <pauld1943@comcast.net> wrote in message

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> "jim" <jim@home.net> wrote:

>

>>Thanks to another poster I tried Terabyte's Win Image software

>>(http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/products.htm).

>>

>>You have to make a bootable CD and boot into DOS to use it to image your

>>USB

>>drives. I'm not really sure why this isn't possiblke directly from

>>Windows.

>>

>>And, it is really slow. It took almost 20 minutes to image a USB 2.0 8GB

>>drive with FAT32, Ext2 and Linux swap partitions. It took 58 minute to

>>restore it.

>>

>>Although it does require rebooting into DOs and it is slow, it is better

>>than losing your data.

>

> Did you ever try booting to an Acronis CD? The CD is Linux-based.

 

Yes. I booted the Acronis True Image Home 11 recovery cd (full version) and

it cannot see the Linux partitions (Ext2 and Linux Swap) -- or at least they

didn't show in the gui.

 

That's really disappointing. I really like Acronis. I recommend it all the

time to my Windows friends and clients.

 

jim

[Guest Bill in Co.]

Re: USB Voodoo?

 

jim wrote:

> "PD43" <pauld1943@comcast.net> wrote in message

> news:i2oe445oj99b5gc3jj8vdjphqq2i45jmjg@4ax.com...

>> "jim" <jim@home.net> wrote:

>>

>>> Thanks to another poster I tried Terabyte's Win Image software

>>> (http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/products.htm).

>>>

>>> You have to make a bootable CD and boot into DOS to use it to image your

>>> USB drives. I'm not really sure why this isn't possiblke directly from

>>> Windows.

>>>

>>> And, it is really slow. It took almost 20 minutes to image a USB 2.0

>>> 8GB

>>> drive with FAT32, Ext2 and Linux swap partitions. It took 58 minute to

>>> restore it.

>>>

>>> Although it does require rebooting into DOs and it is slow, it is better

>>> than losing your data.

>>

>> Did you ever try booting to an Acronis CD? The CD is Linux-based.

>

> Yes. I booted the Acronis True Image Home 11 recovery cd (full version)

> and

> it cannot see the Linux partitions (Ext2 and Linux Swap) -- or at least

> they

> didn't show in the gui.

>

> That's really disappointing. I really like Acronis. I recommend it all

> the

> time to my Windows friends and clients.

>

> jim

 

Why don't you try out BING?

[Guest jim]

Re: USB Voodoo?

 

 

"jim" <jim@home.net> wrote in message

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>

> "PD43" <pauld1943@comcast.net> wrote in message

> news:i2oe445oj99b5gc3jj8vdjphqq2i45jmjg@4ax.com...

>> "jim" <jim@home.net> wrote:

>>

>>>Thanks to another poster I tried Terabyte's Win Image software

>>>(http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/products.htm).

>>>

>>>You have to make a bootable CD and boot into DOS to use it to image your

>>>USB

>>>drives. I'm not really sure why this isn't possiblke directly from

>>>Windows.

>>>

>>>And, it is really slow. It took almost 20 minutes to image a USB 2.0 8GB

>>>drive with FAT32, Ext2 and Linux swap partitions. It took 58 minute to

>>>restore it.

>>>

>>>Although it does require rebooting into DOs and it is slow, it is better

>>>than losing your data.

>>

>> Did you ever try booting to an Acronis CD? The CD is Linux-based.

>

> Yes. I booted the Acronis True Image Home 11 recovery cd (full version)

> and it cannot see the Linux partitions (Ext2 and Linux Swap) -- or at

> least they didn't show in the gui.

>

> That's really disappointing. I really like Acronis. I recommend it all

> the time to my Windows friends and clients.

>

> jim

 

I kept searching and found another software product that handles backing up

my USB Linux drives, and has no problems with the Linux partition formats.

 

The good thing about this new software (new to me anyway) is that is does

it's backup and restore from within windows. It runs just like any other

Windows software - no booting to a DOS or Linux based CD to backup my USB

drives.

 

The great thing is the speed! Whereas Win Image took almost 20 minutes from

a DOS bootable CD to make an image All Image 1.3.1 made an uncompressed

image in 6 minutes 40 seconds. And, where Win Image took 58 monutes to

restore the image to my USB drive, All Image 1.3.1 took exactly 20 minutes.

 

Check out the 14 day trial version at

http://www.towodo.com/products/allimage/. And, it's a reasonably priced $25

to purchase.

 

Just thought you may like to know....

 

jim

[Guest Bill in Co.]

Re: USB Voodoo?

 

jim wrote:

> "jim" <jim@home.net> wrote in message

> news:%JJ1k.435$pc.28@bignews3.bellsouth.net...

>>

>> "PD43" <pauld1943@comcast.net> wrote in message

>> news:i2oe445oj99b5gc3jj8vdjphqq2i45jmjg@4ax.com...

>>> "jim" <jim@home.net> wrote:

>>>

>>>> Thanks to another poster I tried Terabyte's Win Image software

>>>> (http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/products.htm).

>>>>

>>>> You have to make a bootable CD and boot into DOS to use it to image

>>>> your

>>>> USB drives. I'm not really sure why this isn't possiblke directly from

>>>> Windows.

>>>>

>>>> And, it is really slow. It took almost 20 minutes to image a USB 2.0

>>>> 8GB

>>>> drive with FAT32, Ext2 and Linux swap partitions. It took 58 minute to

>>>> restore it.

>>>>

>>>> Although it does require rebooting into DOs and it is slow, it is

>>>> better

>>>> than losing your data.

>>>

>>> Did you ever try booting to an Acronis CD? The CD is Linux-based.

>>

>> Yes. I booted the Acronis True Image Home 11 recovery cd (full version)

>> and it cannot see the Linux partitions (Ext2 and Linux Swap) -- or at

>> least they didn't show in the gui.

>>

>> That's really disappointing. I really like Acronis. I recommend it all

>> the time to my Windows friends and clients.

>>

>> jim

>

> I kept searching and found another software product that handles backing

> up

> my USB Linux drives, and has no problems with the Linux partition formats.

>

> The good thing about this new software (new to me anyway) is that is does

> it's backup and restore from within windows. It runs just like any other

> Windows software - no booting to a DOS or Linux based CD to backup my USB

> drives.

>

> The great thing is the speed! Whereas Win Image took almost 20 minutes

> from

> a DOS bootable CD to make an image All Image 1.3.1 made an uncompressed

> image in 6 minutes 40 seconds. And, where Win Image took 58 monutes to

> restore the image to my USB drive, All Image 1.3.1 took exactly 20

> minutes.

>

> Check out the 14 day trial version at

> http://www.towodo.com/products/allimage/. And, it's a reasonably priced

> $25

> to purchase.

>

> Just thought you may like to know....

>

> jim

 

Well, that beats BING, for sure. Besides which, in case you didn't know,

BING operates down at the DOS level, too. (BING = BootItNG) Just

curious - did you ever consider trying it out?

[Guest PD43]

Re: USB Voodoo?

 

"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote:

>Well, that beats BING, for sure. Besides which, in case you didn't know,

>BING operates down at the DOS level, too. (BING = BootItNG) Just

>curious - did you ever consider trying it out?

 

I wondered what you were talking about when you said "BING". I think

you're the only person who's called it that. It's always been called

BootItNG here.

 

He tried one of Terabyte's programs, I'm not sure if it was BootItNG.

[Guest Telstar]

Re: USB Voodoo? OT Acronis True Image

 

Re: USB Voodoo? OT Acronis True Image

 

I am just throwing this in ... in frustation.

 

I love ATI 11 too...except that the ';tryanddecide' service prohibits

hibernation or sleep and sometimes is 'a very long process is running' errpr

in shutting down XP.

 

Acronis acknowledged. this problem almost 9 months ago....IT HAS NOT BEEN

FIXED.

[Guest PD43]

Re: USB Voodoo? OT Acronis True Image

 

Re: USB Voodoo? OT Acronis True Image

 

"Telstar" <none@none> wrote:

>I am just throwing this in ... in frustation.

>

>I love ATI 11 too...except that the ';tryanddecide' service prohibits

>hibernation or sleep and sometimes is 'a very long process is running' errpr

>in shutting down XP.

>

>Acronis acknowledged. this problem almost 9 months ago....IT HAS NOT BEEN

>FIXED.

 

BFD.

 

I've never even looked into "Try and Decide". Whatever it is, I don't

need it.

[Guest Telstar]

Re: USB Voodoo? OT Acronis True Image

 

Re: USB Voodoo? OT Acronis True Image

 

 

"PD43" <pauld1943@comcast.net> wrote in message

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> "Telstar" <none@none> wrote:

>

>>I am just throwing this in ... in frustation.

>>

>>I love ATI 11 too...except that the ';tryanddecide' service prohibits

>>hibernation or sleep and sometimes is 'a very long process is running'

>>errpr

>>in shutting down XP.

>>

>>Acronis acknowledged. this problem almost 9 months ago....IT HAS NOT BEEN

>>FIXED.

>

> BFD.

>

> I've never even looked into "Try and Decide". Whatever it is, I don't

> need it.

 

You cannot get rid of it or deactivate it in Acronis 11. So it is a BFD!

 

You strike me as stupid.