Repair does not work when replacing MotherBoard

[Guest Bill Simard]

I tried using the repair option and it gives the BSOD. then reboots.

 

I can do a clean install, but that will wipe out all my programs.

 

Why won't the repair work ? I have tried this serveral times over the years

and it never works. It always crashes.

 

The motherboard has different chipsets, but isn't there a way to get XP to

go around this problem ?

 

Any advice is appriciated

 

Thanks

 

Bill

[Guest DL]

Re: Repair does not work when replacing MotherBoard

 

Personally I've never had a problem using the repair installation option,

and installing the new mobo drivers when requested.

http://michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm

 

 

"Bill Simard" <BillSimard@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

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>I tried using the repair option and it gives the BSOD. then reboots.

>

> I can do a clean install, but that will wipe out all my programs.

>

> Why won't the repair work ? I have tried this serveral times over the

> years

> and it never works. It always crashes.

>

> The motherboard has different chipsets, but isn't there a way to get XP to

> go around this problem ?

>

> Any advice is appriciated

>

> Thanks

>

> Bill

>

[Guest Jack Gillis]

Re: Repair does not work when replacing MotherBoard

 

Nor have I had a problem. I wonder if Bill, the OP, is using the repair

console and not repair/install?

 

"DL" <address@invalid> wrote in message

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> Personally I've never had a problem using the repair installation option,

> and installing the new mobo drivers when requested.

> http://michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm

>

>

> "Bill Simard" <BillSimard@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:E9DEBF38-6DD3-4D3A-8F19-013320B67270@microsoft.com...

>>I tried using the repair option and it gives the BSOD. then reboots.

>>

>> I can do a clean install, but that will wipe out all my programs.

>>

>> Why won't the repair work ? I have tried this serveral times over the

>> years

>> and it never works. It always crashes.

>>

>> The motherboard has different chipsets, but isn't there a way to get XP

>> to

>> go around this problem ?

>>

>> Any advice is appriciated

>>

>> Thanks

>>

>> Bill

>>

>

>

[Guest ShadowTek]

Re: Repair does not work when replacing MotherBoard

 

Aren't some software bundles booby-trapped so that they will only

install on the original motherboard?

 

Is this part of a software bundle?

[Guest Bruce Chambers]

Re: Repair does not work when replacing MotherBoard

 

Bill Simard wrote:

> I tried using the repair option and it gives the BSOD. then reboots.

>

> I can do a clean install, but that will wipe out all my programs.

>

> Why won't the repair work ? I have tried this serveral times over the years

> and it never works. It always crashes.

>

> The motherboard has different chipsets, but isn't there a way to get XP to

> go around this problem ?

>

> Any advice is appriciated

>

> Thanks

>

> Bill

>

 

 

It sounds like you're using the wrong "Repair" option, and entering the

Recovery Console. What you need to do is perform a repair installation,

instead.

 

Normally, and assuming a retail license (many factory-installed OEM

installations are BIOS-locked to a specific motherboard chipset and

therefore are *not* transferable to a new motherboard - check yours

before starting), unless the new motherboard is virtually identical

(same chipset, same IDE controllers, same BIOS version, etc.) to the one

on which the WinXP installation was originally performed, you'll need to

perform a repair (a.k.a. in-place upgrade) installation, at the very least:

 

How to Perform an In-Place Upgrade of Windows XP

http://support.microsoft.com/directory/article.asp?ID=KB;EN-US;Q315341

 

Changing a Motherboard or Moving a Hard Drive with WinXP Installed

http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/moving_xp.html

 

The "why" is quite simple, really, and has nothing to do with

licensing issues, per se; it's a purely technical matter, at this point.

You've pulled the proverbial hardware rug out from under the OS. (If

you don't like -- or get -- the rug analogy, think of it as picking up a

Cape Cod style home and then setting it down onto a Ranch style

foundation. It just isn't going to fit.) WinXP, like Win2K before it,

is not nearly as "promiscuous" as Win9x when it comes to accepting any

old hardware configuration you throw at it. On installation it

"tailors" itself to the specific hardware found. This is one of the

reasons that the entire WinNT/2K/XP OS family is so much more stable

than the Win9x group.

 

As always when undertaking such a significant change, back up any

important data before starting.

 

This will also probably require re-activation, unless you have a

Volume Licensed version of WinXP Pro installed. If it's been more than

120 days since you last activated that specific Product Key, you'll most

likely be able to activate via the Internet without problem. If it's

been less, you might have to make a 5 minute phone call.

 

 

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Bruce Chambers

 

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[Guest Bruce Chambers]

Re: Repair does not work when replacing MotherBoard

 

ShadowTek wrote:

> Aren't some software bundles booby-trapped so that they will only

> install on the original motherboard?

>

 

Many OEM do BIOS-lock their installation/Recovery disks so that they'll

work only on the hardware for which they were designed, yes.

 

> Is this part of a software bundle?

 

Do you mean OEM license? "Software bundle" is meaningless in this context.

 

 

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Bruce Chambers

 

Help us help you:

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They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary

safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

 

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell

 

The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has

killed a great many philosophers.

~ Denis Diderot

[Guest ShadowTek]

Re: Repair does not work when replacing MotherBoard

 

On Jun 7, 11:30 am, Bruce Chambers <bchamb...@cable0ne.n3t> wrote:

> Do you mean OEM license? "Software bundle" is meaningless in this context.

 

Well, if you have one, then you are also going to have to install all

"their crap" along with Windows. I use the term "software bundle" to

refer to the fact that you aren't just installing Windows when you do

a so-called clean install of the OEM's OS.

[Guest Ken Blake, MVP]

Re: Repair does not work when replacing MotherBoard

 

On Sat, 7 Jun 2008 10:42:00 -0700 (PDT), ShadowTek

<psistormyamato@cs.com> wrote:

> On Jun 7, 11:30 am, Bruce Chambers <bchamb...@cable0ne.n3t> wrote:

>

> > Do you mean OEM license? "Software bundle" is meaningless in this context.

>

> Well, if you have one, then you are also going to have to install all

> "their crap" along with Windows. I use the term "software bundle" to

> refer to the fact that you aren't just installing Windows when you do

> a so-called clean install of the OEM's OS.

 

 

 

That's not necessarily true. It depends, first of all, on whether you

have a generic OEM copy or a specific OEM's CD. A generic OEM copy has

identical software to what's on a retail version--no more and no less.

With specific OEM CDs, these generally *do* come with additional

software, some of which (but not necessarily all) *may* be crap. Even

there, though, I'm not sure that *every* OEM bundles others products

with their CDs.

 

 

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Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

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[Guest ShadowTek]

Re: Repair does not work when replacing MotherBoard

 

On Jun 7, 3:48 pm, "Ken Blake, MVP" <kbl...@this.is.an.invalid.domain>

wrote:

> With specific OEM CDs, these generally *do* come with additional

> software, some of which (but not necessarily all) *may* be crap. Even

> there, though, I'm not sure that *every* OEM bundles others products

> with their CDs.

 

Every OEM OS that I have ever owned is chocked full of junk, lots of

advertisement-like nonsense spammed all over the drive, url links to

places where they want you to buy stuff, trail versions of buggy apps

that want your money for the full version.

 

Of course they have incentive to do it, since there's money to be

made.

 

There may be some "mostly just Windows" OEMs out there, but I've never

seen any.

 

Of course, I'm no "Microsoft MVP". I'm just relating my end user

experiences.

[Guest Plato]

Re: Repair does not work when replacing MotherBoard

 

=?Utf-8?B?QmlsbCBTaW1hcmQ=?= wrote:

>

> I tried using the repair option and it gives the BSOD. then reboots.

 

Only works about half the time from my experience. In other words, it's

not guaranteed.

 

--

http://www.bootdisk.com/

[Guest PMC]

Re: Repair does not work when replacing MotherBoard

 

ShadowTek, be a little more respectful: you are not a good representative of

the end user community.

 

In my (fairly extensive) experience Dell OEM operating system CDs come with

NO additional software above the Microsoft retail stuff, not even the Dell

utilities that on a Dell factory-install are present to identify the serial

number of the PC, nor the Dell support apps, etc.

 

What you are spouting about are RECOVERY CDs; normally provided by other big

company OEMs. These are copies of the recovery partitions that also reinstall

all the junk.

 

 

 

"ShadowTek" wrote:

> On Jun 7, 3:48 pm, "Ken Blake, MVP" <kbl...@this.is.an.invalid.domain>

> wrote:

> > With specific OEM CDs, these generally *do* come with additional

> > software, some of which (but not necessarily all) *may* be crap. Even

> > there, though, I'm not sure that *every* OEM bundles others products

> > with their CDs.

>

> Every OEM OS that I have ever owned is chocked full of junk, lots of

> advertisement-like nonsense spammed all over the drive, url links to

> places where they want you to buy stuff, trail versions of buggy apps

> that want your money for the full version.

>

> Of course they have incentive to do it, since there's money to be

> made.

>

> There may be some "mostly just Windows" OEMs out there, but I've never

> seen any.

>

> Of course, I'm no "Microsoft MVP". I'm just relating my end user

> experiences.

>

[Guest Ken Blake, MVP]

Re: Repair does not work when replacing MotherBoard

 

On Sat, 7 Jun 2008 16:57:33 -0700 (PDT), ShadowTek

<psistormyamato@cs.com> wrote:

> On Jun 7, 3:48 pm, "Ken Blake, MVP" <kbl...@this.is.an.invalid.domain>

> wrote:

> > With specific OEM CDs, these generally *do* come with additional

> > software, some of which (but not necessarily all) *may* be crap. Even

> > there, though, I'm not sure that *every* OEM bundles others products

> > with their CDs.

>

> Every OEM OS that I have ever owned is chocked full of junk, lots of

> advertisement-like nonsense spammed all over the drive, url links to

> places where they want you to buy stuff, trail versions of buggy apps

> that want your money for the full version.

>

> Of course they have incentive to do it, since there's money to be

> made.

 

 

Yes, and as I said, most, if not all, of the big OEMs do this. I'm

just not willing to say that *every* OEM does this, since I haven't

seen CDs from every one of them.

 

Moreover, as I said, not every piece of software that comes with a

computer from a big OEM is crap. For example, Dell computers

optionally come with Microsoft Office, Microsoft Works, and/or Adobe

Elements, and these are not trial versions.

 

> There may be some "mostly just Windows" OEMs out there, but I've never

> seen any.

 

 

Not "mostly just Windows," but complete generic OEM CDs. As I said

before, these contain exactly the same software as retail versions,

with *nothing* added.

 

These are *widely* available, for example, at

http://www.nextag.com/Microsoft-Windows-XP-Home-78036798/prices-html

 

>

> Of course, I'm no "Microsoft MVP". I'm just relating my end user

> experiences.

 

--

Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

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[Guest Bill Simard]

Repair did not work

 

Repair did not work

 

As a final note to this, I tried the repair option, not the repair console.

 

It did not work with the new motherboard. I tried putting the old MB in and

booting, but it crashed. I tried repairing with the original MB, but could

only get in using safe mode. Normal boot up gave this error:

 

STOP: C000021a (fatal system error) 0xc0000005 Windows Subsystem Process

Terminated Unexpectedly ( 0x7c9106c3 0x06f6ed04 )

 

I looked for a reference to this error for hours. No exact reference found.

The stop: ...21a error mostly talked about NT4.

 

So I wound up doing what I did not want to do in the first place, doing a

clean install.

 

To add insult to injury, I tried to activate the XP and it tells me I can't

activate it because it already was activated and asks for 149.00 dollars.

 

THANKS MS. This is what happens every single time I have ever tried

replacing the MB. Why does it do this ? And what the hell is up with their

activation system not taking a valid key ?

 

MS: The next OS you make, put at the top of the white board: Make OS

accept MB replacements. Since you need to replace them every year this

should be critical.

 

And PLEASE stop with all the security. Now I see why so many people bypass

the authentication and fore go getting any updates.

 

For the user that never adds or replaces anything, XP is fine, but God help

the poor people that need to replace anything. It's a mine field. Not as

bad as VISTA, but still bad enough to make me wish there was somehting else.

 

Bill

 

P.S. The links in my e-mail to read the replies don't open, it just gives

me a blank white microsoft page. Any idea why that is ?

[Guest Ed Mc]

Re: Repair did not work

 

Re: Repair did not work

 

Bill Simard wrote:

>

>

>

> For the user that never adds or replaces anything, XP is fine, but God help

> the poor people that need to replace anything. It's a mine field. Not as

> bad as VISTA, but still bad enough to make me wish there was somehting else.

>

> Bill

>

> P.S. The links in my e-mail to read the replies don't open, it just gives

> me a blank white microsoft page. Any idea why that is ?

>

If you can read this: WINDOWS is not the only OS out there.

[Guest ShadowTek]

Re: Repair does not work when replacing MotherBoard

 

On Jun 8, 6:07 am, PMC <pmchefalo-spamf...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> ShadowTek, be a little more respectful: you are not a good representative of

> the end user community.

 

I never claimed to be a representative of anyone else.

 

Are you suggesting that I am disrespectful if I speak my mind and

relate my personal experiences with this issue?

 

> In my (fairly extensive) experience Dell OEM operating system CDs come with

> NO additional software above the Microsoft retail stuff, not even the Dell

> utilities that on a Dell factory-install are present to identify the serial

> number of the PC, nor the Dell support apps, etc.

 

Dell, Dell, Dell isn't the only manufacturer on the market. If they

refrain from stuffing there software distributions with junk, then

good for them. I have never owned a Dell, so I can't comment on the

nature of their software. The way you describe it, it sounds like I

would be pleased with one of their PCs. At least, as far as their

software is concerned.

 

> What you are spouting about are RECOVERY CDs; normally provided by other big

> company OEMs. These are copies of the recovery partitions that also reinstall

> all the junk.

 

What I am "spouting" about these software bundles is that which is

included with the system from the very first say you buy it. And yes,

if you every restore the software then you will also be installing all

the "junk" along with it.

 

I don't understand why you are being so defensive about my comment on

my personal experiences. If you have eternal love for all things OEM,

then good for you. But that doesn't mean that everyone in the world is

being "disrespectful" if they dare to disagree with you.