New k/board has an USB plug

June 8, 2008

I've had my win98se PC since 1999. Its running 85% free resources atm. I've

finally had to buy another k/board which has a USB plug only.

There is a USB port on the rear of the PC and mention of a heap of USB files

after doing a "search for files".

My question is: can I simply remove the existing KB from it's circular

socket and plug in the new KB to the single USB?

I did plug in a coffee-cup warmer to the USB once, but removed it when I

found it could only supply 500ma (found this info in one of the port specs

list) the CCup was 800ma.

Thanx for any clues,....Jason

June 8, 2008

Re: New k/board has an USB plug

"Jason James" <at@peace.com> wrote in message

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> I've had my win98se PC since 1999. Its running 85% free resources atm.

I've

> finally had to buy another k/board which has a USB plug only.

> There is a USB port on the rear of the PC and mention of a heap of USB

files

> after doing a "search for files".

>

> My question is: can I simply remove the existing KB from it's circular

> socket and plug in the new KB to the single USB?

>

> I did plug in a coffee-cup warmer to the USB once, but removed it when I

> found it could only supply 500ma (found this info in one of the port specs

> list) the CCup was 800ma.

> Thanx for any clues,....Jason

>

Win98 should be able to detect and install your USB keyboard.

It will not draw too much current, so you should be OK...

However I'd advise you to use a PS/2 keyboard as you *might* not have USB

keyboard support in the bios

June 8, 2008

Re: New k/board has an USB plug

"Jason James" <at@peace.com> wrote in message

news:484c680f$0$90788$c30e37c6@pit-reader.telstra.net...

> I've had my win98se PC since 1999. Its running 85% free resources atm.

> I've

> finally had to buy another k/board which has a USB plug only.

> There is a USB port on the rear of the PC and mention of a heap of USB

> files

> after doing a "search for files".

"Search for files"? You mean like using Find>Files & Folders, or is this

something that happens when you plug in the USB device?

Referring to the below, what size is the "circular" connector on the old

board? If it's ~1/4 inch in diameter, it's a PS/2. If it's more like 3/4

inch in diameter, at's a AT port. Either way, you can get an adapter at your

local computer store that lets you plug the USB keyboard into the same port

you're using now. That would avoid the question altogether. (In the case of

an AT connector, you might have to go online to find one. Reminds me that I

only have one. Better find another, just in case.)

> My question is: can I simply remove the existing KB from it's circular

> socket and plug in the new KB to the single USB?

You mean you haven't tried it yet? Go ahead, try it.

> I did plug in a coffee-cup warmer to the USB once, but removed it when I

> found it could only supply 500ma (found this info in one of the port specs

> list) the CCup was 800ma.

A coffee cup warmer is a stupid use for a USB jack, but I guess you already

learned about that one. Anything that is *powered* by the USB port and

requires more than a modicum of juice puts a fair amount of stress on the

internal circuitry. Unless you're using a laptop that's running on

batteries, you are already right next to some source of standard power (110

in the US, 220 in Europe.) Said sources of power are what you use for things

like coffee cup warmers, battery chargers, etc.

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://grystmill.com

June 9, 2008

Re: New k/board has an USB plug

"philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message

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>

> "Jason James" <at@peace.com> wrote in message

> news:484c680f$0$90788$c30e37c6@pit-reader.telstra.net...

> > I've had my win98se PC since 1999. Its running 85% free resources atm.

> I've

> > finally had to buy another k/board which has a USB plug only.

> > There is a USB port on the rear of the PC and mention of a heap of USB

> files

> > after doing a "search for files".

> >

> > My question is: can I simply remove the existing KB from it's circular

> > socket and plug in the new KB to the single USB?

> >

> > I did plug in a coffee-cup warmer to the USB once, but removed it when I

> > found it could only supply 500ma (found this info in one of the port

specs

> > list) the CCup was 800ma.

> > Thanx for any clues,....Jason

> >

>

> Win98 should be able to detect and install your USB keyboard.

> It will not draw too much current, so you should be OK...

> However I'd advise you to use a PS/2 keyboard as you *might* not have USB

> keyboard support in the bios

Yes, I switched off the PC, unplugged the old KB, and selected the LHS USB

port to plug in the new KB. Windows then prompted me 3 times to select

various files, then it was all systems go.

Thanx for your assistance. I'm not very good at PCs, and I was worried I

would blow something up :-)

Jason

June 9, 2008

Re: New k/board has an USB plug

Yes. If desired, you can also get a USB to ps/2 adapter and use the

circular socket.

--

Regards

Ron Badour

MS MVP 1997 - 2008

"Jason James" <at@peace.com> wrote in message

news:484c680f$0$90788$c30e37c6@pit-reader.telstra.net...

> I've had my win98se PC since 1999. Its running 85% free resources atm.

> I've

> finally had to buy another k/board which has a USB plug only.

> There is a USB port on the rear of the PC and mention of a heap of USB

> files

> after doing a "search for files".

>

> My question is: can I simply remove the existing KB from it's circular

> socket and plug in the new KB to the single USB?

>

> I did plug in a coffee-cup warmer to the USB once, but removed it when I

> found it could only supply 500ma (found this info in one of the port specs

> list) the CCup was 800ma.

> Thanx for any clues,....Jason

>

June 9, 2008

Re: New k/board has an USB plug

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

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> "Jason James" <at@peace.com> wrote in message

> news:484c680f$0$90788$c30e37c6@pit-reader.telstra.net...

> > I've had my win98se PC since 1999. Its running 85% free resources atm.

> > I've

> > finally had to buy another k/board which has a USB plug only.

> > There is a USB port on the rear of the PC and mention of a heap of USB

> > files

> > after doing a "search for files".

>

> "Search for files"? You mean like using Find>Files & Folders, or is this

> something that happens when you plug in the USB device?

Apart from the stupid coffee cup, had no other exp with USBs Before doing

anything I did a search using "USB" This gave me an indication the PC did

have some circuitry devoted to USB.

> Referring to the below, what size is the "circular" connector on the old

> board? If it's ~1/4 inch in diameter, it's a PS/2. If it's more like 3/4

> inch in diameter, at's a AT port. Either way, you can get an adapter at

your

> local computer store that lets you plug the USB keyboard into the same

port

> you're using now. That would avoid the question altogether. (In the case

of

> an AT connector, you might have to go online to find one. Reminds me that

I

> only have one. Better find another, just in case.)

Yeah, the old KB had the 1/4" plug.

> > My question is: can I simply remove the existing KB from it's circular

> > socket and plug in the new KB to the single USB?

>

> You mean you haven't tried it yet? Go ahead, try it.

I did as you directed, and after 3 different screens while it found some

files to use, it finally said "finished" and all is hunky dory!

> > I did plug in a coffee-cup warmer to the USB once, but removed it when I

> > found it could only supply 500ma (found this info in one of the port

specs

> > list) the CCup was 800ma.

>

> A coffee cup warmer is a stupid use for a USB jack, but I guess you

already

> learned about that one. Anything that is *powered* by the USB port and

> requires more than a modicum of juice puts a fair amount of stress on the

> internal circuitry. Unless you're using a laptop that's running on

> batteries, you are already right next to some source of standard power

(110

> in the US, 220 in Europe.) Said sources of power are what you use for

things

> like coffee cup warmers, battery chargers, etc.

Yep I understand. Thank you for your assistance,....Jason

June 9, 2008

Re: New k/board has an USB plug

"Jason James" <at@peace.com> wrote in message

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>

> "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message

> news:CoadnbgyI56j7dHVnZ2dnUVZ_sninZ2d@ntd.net...

> >

> > "Jason James" <at@peace.com> wrote in message

> > news:484c680f$0$90788$c30e37c6@pit-reader.telstra.net...

> > > I've had my win98se PC since 1999. Its running 85% free resources atm.

> > I've

> > > finally had to buy another k/board which has a USB plug only.

> > > There is a USB port on the rear of the PC and mention of a heap of USB

> > files

> > > after doing a "search for files".

> > >

> > > My question is: can I simply remove the existing KB from it's circular

> > > socket and plug in the new KB to the single USB?

> > >

> > > I did plug in a coffee-cup warmer to the USB once, but removed it when

I

> > > found it could only supply 500ma (found this info in one of the port

> specs

> > > list) the CCup was 800ma.

> > > Thanx for any clues,....Jason

> > >

> >

> > Win98 should be able to detect and install your USB keyboard.

> > It will not draw too much current, so you should be OK...

> > However I'd advise you to use a PS/2 keyboard as you *might* not have

USB

> > keyboard support in the bios

>

> Yes, I switched off the PC, unplugged the old KB, and selected the LHS USB

> port to plug in the new KB. Windows then prompted me 3 times to select

> various files, then it was all systems go.

> Thanx for your assistance. I'm not very good at PCs, and I was worried I

> would blow something up :-)

> Jason

>

Glad it worked for you!

June 9, 2008

Re: New k/board has an USB plug

On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 10:47:25 +1000, "Jason James" <at@peace.com> wrote:

>

>"philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message

>news:CoadnbgyI56j7dHVnZ2dnUVZ_sninZ2d@ntd.net...

>>

>> "Jason James" <at@peace.com> wrote in message

>> news:484c680f$0$90788$c30e37c6@pit-reader.telstra.net...

>> > I've had my win98se PC since 1999. Its running 85% free resources atm.

>> I've

>> > finally had to buy another k/board which has a USB plug only.

>> > There is a USB port on the rear of the PC and mention of a heap of USB

>> files

>> > after doing a "search for files".

>> >

>> > My question is: can I simply remove the existing KB from it's circular

>> > socket and plug in the new KB to the single USB?

>> >

>> > I did plug in a coffee-cup warmer to the USB once, but removed it when I

>> > found it could only supply 500ma (found this info in one of the port

>specs

>> > list) the CCup was 800ma.

>> > Thanx for any clues,....Jason

>> >

>>

>> Win98 should be able to detect and install your USB keyboard.

>> It will not draw too much current, so you should be OK...

>> However I'd advise you to use a PS/2 keyboard as you *might* not have USB

>> keyboard support in the bios

>

>Yes, I switched off the PC, unplugged the old KB, and selected the LHS USB

>port to plug in the new KB. Windows then prompted me 3 times to select

>various files, then it was all systems go.

>Thanx for your assistance. I'm not very good at PCs, and I was worried I

>would blow something up :-)

>Jason

>

You wont blow anything up, but if you want to use raw dos, you will

NOT have a working keyboard. I got a usb mouse and since I use dos, I

could not have mouse support in dos. I went back to a serial mouse

and dumped that usb piece of crap on someone that only uses XP.

Seems they make everything for USB these days. I really dont

understand why. No USB mice, keyboards, printers for me.

Why would anyone abuse their power supply with a coffee warmer. You

do have an AC outlet on the wall, right? I wonder how much that thing

slowed down your computer? Just because someone makes stuff like that

does not mean it's practical or safe. I got a USB light as a gift.

It's pretty much useless. It has only one blue-white LED, so I am not

worried about power use, but I have yet to find a need for it.

June 9, 2008

Re: New k/board has an USB plug

With a machine as old as yours, you're right. No USB printer for you --

unless you were to bother to install a USB2 card. But for mouses and

keyboards there are USB to AT or PS/2 connectors converters readily

available. Heck, lots of USB keyboards and mouses come with a PS/2 converter

included.

But if you want to thump your chest about being a Luddite, go right ahead.

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://grystmill.com

<letterman@invalid.com> wrote in message

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> On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 10:47:25 +1000, "Jason James" <at@peace.com> wrote:

>

>>

>>"philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message

>>news:CoadnbgyI56j7dHVnZ2dnUVZ_sninZ2d@ntd.net...

>>>

>>> "Jason James" <at@peace.com> wrote in message

>>> news:484c680f$0$90788$c30e37c6@pit-reader.telstra.net...

>>> > I've had my win98se PC since 1999. Its running 85% free resources atm.

>>> I've

>>> > finally had to buy another k/board which has a USB plug only.

>>> > There is a USB port on the rear of the PC and mention of a heap of USB

>>> files

>>> > after doing a "search for files".

>>> >

>>> > My question is: can I simply remove the existing KB from it's circular

>>> > socket and plug in the new KB to the single USB?

>>> >

>>> > I did plug in a coffee-cup warmer to the USB once, but removed it when

>>> > I

>>> > found it could only supply 500ma (found this info in one of the port

>>specs

>>> > list) the CCup was 800ma.

>>> > Thanx for any clues,....Jason

>>> >

>>>

>>> Win98 should be able to detect and install your USB keyboard.

>>> It will not draw too much current, so you should be OK...

>>> However I'd advise you to use a PS/2 keyboard as you *might* not have

>>> USB

>>> keyboard support in the bios

>>

>>Yes, I switched off the PC, unplugged the old KB, and selected the LHS USB

>>port to plug in the new KB. Windows then prompted me 3 times to select

>>various files, then it was all systems go.

>>Thanx for your assistance. I'm not very good at PCs, and I was worried I

>>would blow something up :-)

>>Jason

>>

>

> You wont blow anything up, but if you want to use raw dos, you will

> NOT have a working keyboard. I got a usb mouse and since I use dos, I

> could not have mouse support in dos. I went back to a serial mouse

> and dumped that usb piece of crap on someone that only uses XP.

> Seems they make everything for USB these days. I really dont

> understand why. No USB mice, keyboards, printers for me.

>

> Why would anyone abuse their power supply with a coffee warmer. You

> do have an AC outlet on the wall, right? I wonder how much that thing

> slowed down your computer? Just because someone makes stuff like that

> does not mean it's practical or safe. I got a USB light as a gift.

> It's pretty much useless. It has only one blue-white LED, so I am not

> worried about power use, but I have yet to find a need for it.

June 9, 2008

Re: New k/board has an USB plug

If you want to thump your chest about being a sheeple continue on...

What's wrong, all the young XP and Vista users run you guys out of those

forums or what...

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MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

--

_________

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

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| With a machine as old as yours, you're right. No USB printer for you --

| unless you were to bother to install a USB2 card. But for mouses and

| keyboards there are USB to AT or PS/2 connectors converters readily

| available. Heck, lots of USB keyboards and mouses come with a PS/2

converter

| included.

|

| But if you want to thump your chest about being a Luddite, go right ahead.

|

| --

| Gary S. Terhune

| MS-MVP Shell/User

| http://grystmill.com

|

| <letterman@invalid.com> wrote in message

| news:u6pp44tie7sf1vtepv2rebdbkhiorb1rnp@4ax.com...

| > On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 10:47:25 +1000, "Jason James" <at@peace.com> wrote:

| >

| >>

| >>"philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message

| >>news:CoadnbgyI56j7dHVnZ2dnUVZ_sninZ2d@ntd.net...

| >>>

| >>> "Jason James" <at@peace.com> wrote in message

| >>> news:484c680f$0$90788$c30e37c6@pit-reader.telstra.net...

| >>> > I've had my win98se PC since 1999. Its running 85% free resources

atm.

| >>> I've

| >>> > finally had to buy another k/board which has a USB plug only.

| >>> > There is a USB port on the rear of the PC and mention of a heap of

USB

| >>> files

| >>> > after doing a "search for files".

| >>> >

| >>> > My question is: can I simply remove the existing KB from it's

circular

| >>> > socket and plug in the new KB to the single USB?

| >>> >

| >>> > I did plug in a coffee-cup warmer to the USB once, but removed it

when

| >>> > I

| >>> > found it could only supply 500ma (found this info in one of the port

| >>specs

| >>> > list) the CCup was 800ma.

| >>> > Thanx for any clues,....Jason

| >>> >

| >>>

| >>> Win98 should be able to detect and install your USB keyboard.

| >>> It will not draw too much current, so you should be OK...

| >>> However I'd advise you to use a PS/2 keyboard as you *might* not have

| >>> USB

| >>> keyboard support in the bios

| >>

| >>Yes, I switched off the PC, unplugged the old KB, and selected the LHS

USB

| >>port to plug in the new KB. Windows then prompted me 3 times to select

| >>various files, then it was all systems go.

| >>Thanx for your assistance. I'm not very good at PCs, and I was worried I

| >>would blow something up :-)

| >>Jason

| >>

| >

| > You wont blow anything up, but if you want to use raw dos, you will

| > NOT have a working keyboard. I got a usb mouse and since I use dos, I

| > could not have mouse support in dos. I went back to a serial mouse

| > and dumped that usb piece of crap on someone that only uses XP.

| > Seems they make everything for USB these days. I really dont

| > understand why. No USB mice, keyboards, printers for me.

| >

| > Why would anyone abuse their power supply with a coffee warmer. You

| > do have an AC outlet on the wall, right? I wonder how much that thing

| > slowed down your computer? Just because someone makes stuff like that

| > does not mean it's practical or safe. I got a USB light as a gift.

| > It's pretty much useless. It has only one blue-white LED, so I am not

| > worried about power use, but I have yet to find a need for it.

|

June 9, 2008

Re: New k/board has an USB plug

Go diagnose a BSOD, Luddite. Though in your case, you probably belong with

9x. You apparently don't actually use your computers for anything but

useless "testing" and posting to the Usenet, maybe some plain text internet

surfing. 98's good enough for that.

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://grystmill.com

"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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> If you want to thump your chest about being a sheeple continue on...

>

> What's wrong, all the young XP and Vista users run you guys out of those

> forums or what...

>

> --

> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

> --

> _________

>

> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

> news:uLZYq8jyIHA.4040@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> | With a machine as old as yours, you're right. No USB printer for you --

> | unless you were to bother to install a USB2 card. But for mouses and

> | keyboards there are USB to AT or PS/2 connectors converters readily

> | available. Heck, lots of USB keyboards and mouses come with a PS/2

> converter

> | included.

> |

> | But if you want to thump your chest about being a Luddite, go right

> ahead.

> |

> | --

> | Gary S. Terhune

> | MS-MVP Shell/User

> | http://grystmill.com

> |

> | <letterman@invalid.com> wrote in message

> | news:u6pp44tie7sf1vtepv2rebdbkhiorb1rnp@4ax.com...

> | > On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 10:47:25 +1000, "Jason James" <at@peace.com> wrote:

> | >

> | >>

> | >>"philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message

> | >>news:CoadnbgyI56j7dHVnZ2dnUVZ_sninZ2d@ntd.net...

> | >>>

> | >>> "Jason James" <at@peace.com> wrote in message

> | >>> news:484c680f$0$90788$c30e37c6@pit-reader.telstra.net...

> | >>> > I've had my win98se PC since 1999. Its running 85% free resources

> atm.

> | >>> I've

> | >>> > finally had to buy another k/board which has a USB plug only.

> | >>> > There is a USB port on the rear of the PC and mention of a heap of

> USB

> | >>> files

> | >>> > after doing a "search for files".

> | >>> >

> | >>> > My question is: can I simply remove the existing KB from it's

> circular

> | >>> > socket and plug in the new KB to the single USB?

> | >>> >

> | >>> > I did plug in a coffee-cup warmer to the USB once, but removed it

> when

> | >>> > I

> | >>> > found it could only supply 500ma (found this info in one of the

> port

> | >>specs

> | >>> > list) the CCup was 800ma.

> | >>> > Thanx for any clues,....Jason

> | >>> >

> | >>>

> | >>> Win98 should be able to detect and install your USB keyboard.

> | >>> It will not draw too much current, so you should be OK...

> | >>> However I'd advise you to use a PS/2 keyboard as you *might* not

> have

> | >>> USB

> | >>> keyboard support in the bios

> | >>

> | >>Yes, I switched off the PC, unplugged the old KB, and selected the LHS

> USB

> | >>port to plug in the new KB. Windows then prompted me 3 times to select

> | >>various files, then it was all systems go.

> | >>Thanx for your assistance. I'm not very good at PCs, and I was worried

> I

> | >>would blow something up :-)

> | >>Jason

> | >>

> | >

> | > You wont blow anything up, but if you want to use raw dos, you will

> | > NOT have a working keyboard. I got a usb mouse and since I use dos, I

> | > could not have mouse support in dos. I went back to a serial mouse

> | > and dumped that usb piece of crap on someone that only uses XP.

> | > Seems they make everything for USB these days. I really dont

> | > understand why. No USB mice, keyboards, printers for me.

> | >

> | > Why would anyone abuse their power supply with a coffee warmer. You

> | > do have an AC outlet on the wall, right? I wonder how much that thing

> | > slowed down your computer? Just because someone makes stuff like that

> | > does not mean it's practical or safe. I got a USB light as a gift.

> | > It's pretty much useless. It has only one blue-white LED, so I am not

> | > worried about power use, but I have yet to find a need for it.

> |

>

June 9, 2008

Re: New k/board has an USB plug

Gee, okay, Mr. Sheeple,,, so spend your time downloading hundreds of "fixes"

for your XP and VISTA machines, that STILL leave you vulnerable, open new

vulnerabilities, and support or rather DEMAND YOU support all those Web 2.0,

DRM, and other intrusions; and while knowing that supposedly secure system

you run CAN BE and IS constantly being attacked while on the Internet... its

part of the design FEATURE.....

Run some tests Gary, expand your knowledge..

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MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

--

_________

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

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| Go diagnose a BSOD, Luddite. Though in your case, you probably belong with

| 9x. You apparently don't actually use your computers for anything but

| useless "testing" and posting to the Usenet, maybe some plain text

internet

| surfing. 98's good enough for that.

|

| --

| Gary S. Terhune

| MS-MVP Shell/User

| http://grystmill.com

|

| "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

| news:eIOCoSlyIHA.2064@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

| > If you want to thump your chest about being a sheeple continue on...

| >

| > What's wrong, all the young XP and Vista users run you guys out of those

| > forums or what...

| >

| > --

| > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

| > --

| > _________

| >

| > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

| > news:uLZYq8jyIHA.4040@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

| > | With a machine as old as yours, you're right. No USB printer for

you --

| > | unless you were to bother to install a USB2 card. But for mouses and

| > | keyboards there are USB to AT or PS/2 connectors converters readily

| > | available. Heck, lots of USB keyboards and mouses come with a PS/2

| > converter

| > | included.

| > |

| > | But if you want to thump your chest about being a Luddite, go right

| > ahead.

| > |

| > | --

| > | Gary S. Terhune

| > | MS-MVP Shell/User

| > | http://grystmill.com

| > |

| > | <letterman@invalid.com> wrote in message

| > | news:u6pp44tie7sf1vtepv2rebdbkhiorb1rnp@4ax.com...

| > | > On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 10:47:25 +1000, "Jason James" <at@peace.com>

wrote:

| > | >

| > | >>

| > | >>"philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message

| > | >>news:CoadnbgyI56j7dHVnZ2dnUVZ_sninZ2d@ntd.net...

| > | >>>

| > | >>> "Jason James" <at@peace.com> wrote in message

| > | >>> news:484c680f$0$90788$c30e37c6@pit-reader.telstra.net...

| > | >>> > I've had my win98se PC since 1999. Its running 85% free

resources

| > atm.

| > | >>> I've

| > | >>> > finally had to buy another k/board which has a USB plug only.

| > | >>> > There is a USB port on the rear of the PC and mention of a heap

of

| > USB

| > | >>> files

| > | >>> > after doing a "search for files".

| > | >>> >

| > | >>> > My question is: can I simply remove the existing KB from it's

| > circular

| > | >>> > socket and plug in the new KB to the single USB?

| > | >>> >

| > | >>> > I did plug in a coffee-cup warmer to the USB once, but removed

it

| > when

| > | >>> > I

| > | >>> > found it could only supply 500ma (found this info in one of the

| > port

| > | >>specs

| > | >>> > list) the CCup was 800ma.

| > | >>> > Thanx for any clues,....Jason

| > | >>> >

| > | >>>

| > | >>> Win98 should be able to detect and install your USB keyboard.

| > | >>> It will not draw too much current, so you should be OK...

| > | >>> However I'd advise you to use a PS/2 keyboard as you *might* not

| > have

| > | >>> USB

| > | >>> keyboard support in the bios

| > | >>

| > | >>Yes, I switched off the PC, unplugged the old KB, and selected the

LHS

| > USB

| > | >>port to plug in the new KB. Windows then prompted me 3 times to

select

| > | >>various files, then it was all systems go.

| > | >>Thanx for your assistance. I'm not very good at PCs, and I was

worried

| > I

| > | >>would blow something up :-)

| > | >>Jason

| > | >>

| > | >

| > | > You wont blow anything up, but if you want to use raw dos, you will

| > | > NOT have a working keyboard. I got a usb mouse and since I use dos,

I

| > | > could not have mouse support in dos. I went back to a serial mouse

| > | > and dumped that usb piece of crap on someone that only uses XP.

| > | > Seems they make everything for USB these days. I really dont

| > | > understand why. No USB mice, keyboards, printers for me.

| > | >

| > | > Why would anyone abuse their power supply with a coffee warmer. You

| > | > do have an AC outlet on the wall, right? I wonder how much that

thing

| > | > slowed down your computer? Just because someone makes stuff like

that

| > | > does not mean it's practical or safe. I got a USB light as a gift.

| > | > It's pretty much useless. It has only one blue-white LED, so I am

not

| > | > worried about power use, but I have yet to find a need for it.

| > |

| >

|

June 9, 2008

Re: New k/board has an USB plug

<letterman@invalid.com> wrote in message

news:u6pp44tie7sf1vtepv2rebdbkhiorb1rnp@4ax.com...

> On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 10:47:25 +1000, "Jason James" <at@peace.com> wrote:

>

> >

> >"philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message

> >news:CoadnbgyI56j7dHVnZ2dnUVZ_sninZ2d@ntd.net...

> >>

> >> "Jason James" <at@peace.com> wrote in message

> >> news:484c680f$0$90788$c30e37c6@pit-reader.telstra.net...

> >> > I've had my win98se PC since 1999. Its running 85% free resources

atm.

> >> I've

> >> > finally had to buy another k/board which has a USB plug only.

> >> > There is a USB port on the rear of the PC and mention of a heap of

USB

> >> files

> >> > after doing a "search for files".

> >> >

> >> > My question is: can I simply remove the existing KB from it's

circular

> >> > socket and plug in the new KB to the single USB?

> >> >

> >> > I did plug in a coffee-cup warmer to the USB once, but removed it

when I

> >> > found it could only supply 500ma (found this info in one of the port

> >specs

> >> > list) the CCup was 800ma.

> >> > Thanx for any clues,....Jason

> >> >

> >>

> >> Win98 should be able to detect and install your USB keyboard.

> >> It will not draw too much current, so you should be OK...

> >> However I'd advise you to use a PS/2 keyboard as you *might* not have

USB

> >> keyboard support in the bios

> >

> >Yes, I switched off the PC, unplugged the old KB, and selected the LHS

USB

> >port to plug in the new KB. Windows then prompted me 3 times to select

> >various files, then it was all systems go.

> >Thanx for your assistance. I'm not very good at PCs, and I was worried I

> >would blow something up :-)

> >Jason

> >

>

> You wont blow anything up, but if you want to use raw dos, you will

> NOT have a working keyboard. I got a usb mouse and since I use dos, I

> could not have mouse support in dos. I went back to a serial mouse

> and dumped that usb piece of crap on someone that only uses XP.

> Seems they make everything for USB these days. I really dont

> understand why. No USB mice, keyboards, printers for me.

>

> Why would anyone abuse their power supply with a coffee warmer. You

> do have an AC outlet on the wall, right? I wonder how much that thing

> slowed down your computer? Just because someone makes stuff like that

> does not mean it's practical or safe. I got a USB light as a gift.

> It's pretty much useless. It has only one blue-white LED, so I am not

> worried about power use, but I have yet to find a need for it.

I'vew also noted that printers are all USB now, plus anything that is

rechargeable from a 5volt source,...will have a USB plug on it. Better off

leaving the PC internal power-supplies for what they were intended for.

Jason

June 9, 2008

Re: New k/board has an USB plug

"Ron Badour" <Sorry@NoAddress.com> wrote in message

news:uAnrspcyIHA.2068@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> Yes. If desired, you can also get a USB to ps/2 adapter and use the

> circular socket.

Thanx for that info Ron. I notice printers now use USB instead of parallel D

connector. Is that correct?

Jason

June 9, 2008

Re: New k/board has an USB plug

Any printer you buy today is going to be USB. You can get parallel to USB

adapters to solve the connection problem, but you would still have to check

that w98 drivers for the printer were available.

--

Jeff Richards

MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)

"Jason James" <at@peace.com> wrote in message

news:484d89cb$0$90774$c30e37c6@pit-reader.telstra.net...

>

> "Ron Badour" <Sorry@NoAddress.com> wrote in message

> news:uAnrspcyIHA.2068@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>> Yes. If desired, you can also get a USB to ps/2 adapter and use the

>> circular socket.

>

> Thanx for that info Ron. I notice printers now use USB instead of parallel

> D

> connector. Is that correct?

>

> Jason

June 10, 2008

Re: New k/board has an USB plug

We've been around this block before. You say "intrusive", I say "progress",

blah, blah. When you can actually stoop to answer serious questions put to

you about your theories of comparative OSes, you let me know. Until then, if

you really need an argument, go read our last one.

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://grystmill.com

"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:ud0qd8lyIHA.4492@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> Gee, okay, Mr. Sheeple,,, so spend your time downloading hundreds of

> "fixes"

> for your XP and VISTA machines, that STILL leave you vulnerable, open new

> vulnerabilities, and support or rather DEMAND YOU support all those Web

> 2.0,

> DRM, and other intrusions; and while knowing that supposedly secure system

> you run CAN BE and IS constantly being attacked while on the Internet...

> its

> part of the design FEATURE.....

>

> Run some tests Gary, expand your knowledge..

>

> --

> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

> --

> _________

>

> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

> news:%239FKsslyIHA.2208@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> | Go diagnose a BSOD, Luddite. Though in your case, you probably belong

> with

> | 9x. You apparently don't actually use your computers for anything but

> | useless "testing" and posting to the Usenet, maybe some plain text

> internet

> | surfing. 98's good enough for that.

> |

> | --

> | Gary S. Terhune

> | MS-MVP Shell/User

> | http://grystmill.com

> |

> | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> | news:eIOCoSlyIHA.2064@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> | > If you want to thump your chest about being a sheeple continue on...

> | >

> | > What's wrong, all the young XP and Vista users run you guys out of

> those

> | > forums or what...

> | >

> | > --

> | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

> | > --

> | > _________

> | >

> | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

> | > news:uLZYq8jyIHA.4040@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> | > | With a machine as old as yours, you're right. No USB printer for

> you --

> | > | unless you were to bother to install a USB2 card. But for mouses and

> | > | keyboards there are USB to AT or PS/2 connectors converters readily

> | > | available. Heck, lots of USB keyboards and mouses come with a PS/2

> | > converter

> | > | included.

> | > |

> | > | But if you want to thump your chest about being a Luddite, go right

> | > ahead.

> | > |

> | > | --

> | > | Gary S. Terhune

> | > | MS-MVP Shell/User

> | > | http://grystmill.com

> | > |

> | > | <letterman@invalid.com> wrote in message

> | > | news:u6pp44tie7sf1vtepv2rebdbkhiorb1rnp@4ax.com...

> | > | > On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 10:47:25 +1000, "Jason James" <at@peace.com>

> wrote:

> | > | >

> | > | >>

> | > | >>"philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message

> | > | >>news:CoadnbgyI56j7dHVnZ2dnUVZ_sninZ2d@ntd.net...

> | > | >>>

> | > | >>> "Jason James" <at@peace.com> wrote in message

> | > | >>> news:484c680f$0$90788$c30e37c6@pit-reader.telstra.net...

> | > | >>> > I've had my win98se PC since 1999. Its running 85% free

> resources

> | > atm.

> | > | >>> I've

> | > | >>> > finally had to buy another k/board which has a USB plug only.

> | > | >>> > There is a USB port on the rear of the PC and mention of a

> heap

> of

> | > USB

> | > | >>> files

> | > | >>> > after doing a "search for files".

> | > | >>> >

> | > | >>> > My question is: can I simply remove the existing KB from it's

> | > circular

> | > | >>> > socket and plug in the new KB to the single USB?

> | > | >>> >

> | > | >>> > I did plug in a coffee-cup warmer to the USB once, but removed

> it

> | > when

> | > | >>> > I

> | > | >>> > found it could only supply 500ma (found this info in one of

> the

> | > port

> | > | >>specs

> | > | >>> > list) the CCup was 800ma.

> | > | >>> > Thanx for any clues,....Jason

> | > | >>> >

> | > | >>>

> | > | >>> Win98 should be able to detect and install your USB keyboard.

> | > | >>> It will not draw too much current, so you should be OK...

> | > | >>> However I'd advise you to use a PS/2 keyboard as you *might* not

> | > have

> | > | >>> USB

> | > | >>> keyboard support in the bios

> | > | >>

> | > | >>Yes, I switched off the PC, unplugged the old KB, and selected the

> LHS

> | > USB

> | > | >>port to plug in the new KB. Windows then prompted me 3 times to

> select

> | > | >>various files, then it was all systems go.

> | > | >>Thanx for your assistance. I'm not very good at PCs, and I was

> worried

> | > I

> | > | >>would blow something up :-)

> | > | >>Jason

> | > | >>

> | > | >

> | > | > You wont blow anything up, but if you want to use raw dos, you

> will

> | > | > NOT have a working keyboard. I got a usb mouse and since I use

> dos,

> I

> | > | > could not have mouse support in dos. I went back to a serial

> mouse

> | > | > and dumped that usb piece of crap on someone that only uses XP.

> | > | > Seems they make everything for USB these days. I really dont

> | > | > understand why. No USB mice, keyboards, printers for me.

> | > | >

> | > | > Why would anyone abuse their power supply with a coffee warmer.

> You

> | > | > do have an AC outlet on the wall, right? I wonder how much that

> thing

> | > | > slowed down your computer? Just because someone makes stuff like

> that

> | > | > does not mean it's practical or safe. I got a USB light as a

> gift.

> | > | > It's pretty much useless. It has only one blue-white LED, so I am

> not

> | > | > worried about power use, but I have yet to find a need for it.

> | > |

> | >

> |

>

June 10, 2008

Re: New k/board has an USB plug

Jeff Richards wrote:

> Any printer you buy today is going to be USB. You can get parallel to

> USB adapters to solve the connection problem, but you would still have

> to check that w98 drivers for the printer were available.

I don't think so. An USB-parallel adapter is designed to connect a parallel

printer to an usb port. Not inversed.

When you need a new printer, and don't want/not able to use usb, you'd

better look for a network printer, or maybe use a printerserver like this:

<http://www.sweex.ch/pers.php?detail=80&sectie=laatste&subsectie=producten>

(Don't forget to check if that server supports your printer, and W98)

June 10, 2008

Re: New k/board has an USB plug

They might not be common, but they certainly exist. For instance,

http://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~heha/bastelecke/Rund%20um%20den%20PC/USB2LPT/index.html.en

But, in any case, I wasn't advocating that solution. For most current

printers, finding drivers that work with W98 is going to be the bigger

problem. If the drivers are available, then adding a USB PCI card or even a

USB PCMCIA device is easier than trying to use the parallel port.

--

Jeff Richards

MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)

"Ingeborg" <a@b.invalid> wrote in message

news:Xns9AB9641B05A4Aabinvalid@217.21.244.90...

> Jeff Richards wrote:

>

>> Any printer you buy today is going to be USB. You can get parallel to

>> USB adapters to solve the connection problem, but you would still have

>> to check that w98 drivers for the printer were available.

>

> I don't think so. An USB-parallel adapter is designed to connect a

> parallel

> printer to an usb port. Not inversed.

>

> When you need a new printer, and don't want/not able to use usb, you'd

> better look for a network printer, or maybe use a printerserver like this:

> <http://www.sweex.ch/pers.php?detail=80&sectie=laatste&subsectie=producten>

> (Don't forget to check if that server supports your printer, and W98)

>

June 10, 2008

Re: New k/board has an USB plug

Jeff Richards wrote:

> They might not be common, but they certainly exist. For instance,

>

Great! :)) Do you have any experience with this? According to the 'USB2LPT

- Evaluation system' photo it does not contain any non-trivial logic. So I

suppose all work is done by the driver. I wonder what that means for

processor load while printing.

June 10, 2008

Re: New k/board has an USB plug

Ingeborg wrote:

> Jeff Richards wrote:

>

>> They might not be common, but they certainly exist. For instance,

>>

>

> Great! :)) Do you have any experience with this? According to the

> 'USB2LPT - Evaluation system' photo it does not contain any

> non-trivial logic. So I suppose all work is done by the driver. I

> wonder what that means for processor load while printing.

>

Oops, I was looking to the wrong page, it had to be

<http://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~heha/bastelecke/Rund%20um%20den%20PC/USB2LPT/lpt2usb.htm.en>

This device contains a complete USB host controller.

June 10, 2008

Re: - XP verses 98

Re: - XP verses 98

Let's see, XP is fostered as a better system because:

SECURITY

Individual Settings more defined than when policies were used in 9X. Yet

most of those same settings and abilities were available 9X.

Next, hmm, more security in XP because of the available NTFS file system...

but then with the way files are handled BY NTFS, there are always bits and

pieces of files readily available for review/recovery by ANYONE,

particularly with the now supplied, Microsoft supplied, hack tools.

ALL other major purported security aspects were previously available via

third party applications in 9X [Kerberos, encryption, firewall, web proxy,

etc.].

SYSTEM

Greater web integration in XP,,, right, the very thing that makes you more

vulnerable...

Greater Plug and Pray/branding abilities in XP. The trade off in XP is that

once connected, the device will likely NOT work elsewhere/in another OS.

Greater hard drive size/capacity via SATA. This easily could have been

adapted to during support life for SE, there really is NO excuse for not

doing so.

Greater hard drive capacity due to NTFS... well yeah, since Fat32 was

deliberately limited by Microsoft's own design.

STABILITY

Restore points to help recover from catastrophic failures... hmm,

interesting concept, the whole system is purported to be designed as failure

proof,, yet without this ability XP would have been junked long ago... gosh,

ME had this as well.

Very few BSODs. Ah yeah, but then the design does place these in separate

server/service areas with *crash protection*, hmm, seems that was also being

done in 9X by third parties, at least until the installation of IE 5/6...

what's the major CAUSE of BSODs, poor coding. either Microsoft's or the

application developer's. Second, memory issues, which also generally reverts

to poor coding.

Greater memory handling capacity. Yeah, and to merely run the OS its

needed, and better have a fast processor to go with it...

DEVICES

Wow, that's a no brainer. Just as Microsoft with-held support for the

*next-gen* devices in 95, then 98, then 98SE. And now the future is USB,,,

no, USB is too limited. Firewire? No, has its own issues.. SATA, maybe for

awhile. PCIe/ePCI well maybe for awhile longer... hmm,,

NETWORKING

AH, here it shines [at least with itself] but then it IS designed for

SECURED, *LOCAL*, corporate networks, behind hard and software firewalls and

other ... we have to overlook NAP, sharing, and other issues constantly

being screwed up by updates, and its vulnerabilities when connected to the

Internet.

Your turn...

--

MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

--

_________

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

news:%23bJz8OsyIHA.4864@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

| We've been around this block before. You say "intrusive", I say

"progress",

| blah, blah. When you can actually stoop to answer serious questions put to

| you about your theories of comparative OSes, you let me know. Until then,

if

| you really need an argument, go read our last one.

|

| --

| Gary S. Terhune

| MS-MVP Shell/User

| http://grystmill.com

|

| "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

| news:ud0qd8lyIHA.4492@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

| > Gee, okay, Mr. Sheeple,,, so spend your time downloading hundreds of

| > "fixes"

| > for your XP and VISTA machines, that STILL leave you vulnerable, open

new

| > vulnerabilities, and support or rather DEMAND YOU support all those Web

| > 2.0,

| > DRM, and other intrusions; and while knowing that supposedly secure

system

| > you run CAN BE and IS constantly being attacked while on the Internet...

| > its

| > part of the design FEATURE.....

| >

| > Run some tests Gary, expand your knowledge..

| >

| > --

| > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

| > --

| > _________

| >

| > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

| > news:%239FKsslyIHA.2208@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

| > | Go diagnose a BSOD, Luddite. Though in your case, you probably belong

| > with

| > | 9x. You apparently don't actually use your computers for anything but

| > | useless "testing" and posting to the Usenet, maybe some plain text

| > internet

| > | surfing. 98's good enough for that.

| > |

| > | --

| > | Gary S. Terhune

| > | MS-MVP Shell/User

| > | http://grystmill.com

| > |

| > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

| > | news:eIOCoSlyIHA.2064@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

| > | > If you want to thump your chest about being a sheeple continue on...

| > | >

| > | > What's wrong, all the young XP and Vista users run you guys out of

| > those

| > | > forums or what...

| > | >

| > | > --

| > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

| > | > --

| > | > _________

| > | >

| > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

| > | > news:uLZYq8jyIHA.4040@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

| > | > | With a machine as old as yours, you're right. No USB printer for

| > you --

| > | > | unless you were to bother to install a USB2 card. But for mouses

and

| > | > | keyboards there are USB to AT or PS/2 connectors converters

readily

| > | > | available. Heck, lots of USB keyboards and mouses come with a PS/2

| > | > converter

| > | > | included.

| > | > |

| > | > | But if you want to thump your chest about being a Luddite, go

right

| > | > ahead.

| > | > |

| > | > | --

| > | > | Gary S. Terhune

| > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User

| > | > | http://grystmill.com

| > | > |

| > | > | <letterman@invalid.com> wrote in message

| > | > | news:u6pp44tie7sf1vtepv2rebdbkhiorb1rnp@4ax.com...

| > | > | > On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 10:47:25 +1000, "Jason James" <at@peace.com>

| > wrote:

| > | > | >

| > | > | >>

| > | > | >>"philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message

| > | > | >>news:CoadnbgyI56j7dHVnZ2dnUVZ_sninZ2d@ntd.net...

| > | > | >>>

| > | > | >>> "Jason James" <at@peace.com> wrote in message

| > | > | >>> news:484c680f$0$90788$c30e37c6@pit-reader.telstra.net...

| > | > | >>> > I've had my win98se PC since 1999. Its running 85% free

| > resources

| > | > atm.

| > | > | >>> I've

| > | > | >>> > finally had to buy another k/board which has a USB plug

only.

| > | > | >>> > There is a USB port on the rear of the PC and mention of a

| > heap

| > of

| > | > USB

| > | > | >>> files

| > | > | >>> > after doing a "search for files".

| > | > | >>> >

| > | > | >>> > My question is: can I simply remove the existing KB from

it's

| > | > circular

| > | > | >>> > socket and plug in the new KB to the single USB?

| > | > | >>> >

| > | > | >>> > I did plug in a coffee-cup warmer to the USB once, but

removed

| > it

| > | > when

| > | > | >>> > I

| > | > | >>> > found it could only supply 500ma (found this info in one of

| > the

| > | > port

| > | > | >>specs

| > | > | >>> > list) the CCup was 800ma.

| > | > | >>> > Thanx for any clues,....Jason

| > | > | >>> >

| > | > | >>>

| > | > | >>> Win98 should be able to detect and install your USB keyboard.

| > | > | >>> It will not draw too much current, so you should be OK...

| > | > | >>> However I'd advise you to use a PS/2 keyboard as you *might*

not

| > | > have

| > | > | >>> USB

| > | > | >>> keyboard support in the bios

| > | > | >>

| > | > | >>Yes, I switched off the PC, unplugged the old KB, and selected

the

| > LHS

| > | > USB

| > | > | >>port to plug in the new KB. Windows then prompted me 3 times to

| > select

| > | > | >>various files, then it was all systems go.

| > | > | >>Thanx for your assistance. I'm not very good at PCs, and I was

| > worried

| > | > I

| > | > | >>would blow something up :-)

| > | > | >>Jason

| > | > | >>

| > | > | >

| > | > | > You wont blow anything up, but if you want to use raw dos, you

| > will

| > | > | > NOT have a working keyboard. I got a usb mouse and since I use

| > dos,

| > I

| > | > | > could not have mouse support in dos. I went back to a serial

| > mouse

| > | > | > and dumped that usb piece of crap on someone that only uses XP.

| > | > | > Seems they make everything for USB these days. I really dont

| > | > | > understand why. No USB mice, keyboards, printers for me.

| > | > | >

| > | > | > Why would anyone abuse their power supply with a coffee warmer.

| > You

| > | > | > do have an AC outlet on the wall, right? I wonder how much that

| > thing

| > | > | > slowed down your computer? Just because someone makes stuff

like

| > that

| > | > | > does not mean it's practical or safe. I got a USB light as a

| > gift.

| > | > | > It's pretty much useless. It has only one blue-white LED, so I

am

| > not

| > | > | > worried about power use, but I have yet to find a need for it.

| > | > |

| > | >

| > |

| >

|

June 10, 2008

Re: - XP verses 98

Re: - XP verses 98

Hey, MEB, GFY. Then learn to read. Because I'll no longer have these

discussions with you until YOU read and reply to MY points with the same

respect you expect from me. That whole last discussion I spent answering

your questions while you ignored mine. Again, GFY.

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://grystmill.com

"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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>

> Let's see, XP is fostered as a better system because:

>

> SECURITY

>

> Individual Settings more defined than when policies were used in 9X. Yet

> most of those same settings and abilities were available 9X.

>

> Next, hmm, more security in XP because of the available NTFS file

> system...

> but then with the way files are handled BY NTFS, there are always bits and

> pieces of files readily available for review/recovery by ANYONE,

> particularly with the now supplied, Microsoft supplied, hack tools.

>

> ALL other major purported security aspects were previously available via

> third party applications in 9X [Kerberos, encryption, firewall, web proxy,

> etc.].

>

> SYSTEM

>

> Greater web integration in XP,,, right, the very thing that makes you more

> vulnerable...

>

> Greater Plug and Pray/branding abilities in XP. The trade off in XP is

> that

> once connected, the device will likely NOT work elsewhere/in another OS.

>

> Greater hard drive size/capacity via SATA. This easily could have been

> adapted to during support life for SE, there really is NO excuse for not

> doing so.

> Greater hard drive capacity due to NTFS... well yeah, since Fat32 was

> deliberately limited by Microsoft's own design.

>

> STABILITY

>

> Restore points to help recover from catastrophic failures... hmm,

> interesting concept, the whole system is purported to be designed as

> failure

> proof,, yet without this ability XP would have been junked long ago...

> gosh,

> ME had this as well.

>

> Very few BSODs. Ah yeah, but then the design does place these in separate

> server/service areas with *crash protection*, hmm, seems that was also

> being

> done in 9X by third parties, at least until the installation of IE 5/6...

> what's the major CAUSE of BSODs, poor coding. either Microsoft's or the

> application developer's. Second, memory issues, which also generally

> reverts

> to poor coding.

>

> Greater memory handling capacity. Yeah, and to merely run the OS its

> needed, and better have a fast processor to go with it...

>

> DEVICES

>

> Wow, that's a no brainer. Just as Microsoft with-held support for the

> *next-gen* devices in 95, then 98, then 98SE. And now the future is USB,,,

> no, USB is too limited. Firewire? No, has its own issues.. SATA, maybe for

> awhile. PCIe/ePCI well maybe for awhile longer... hmm,,

>

> NETWORKING

>

> AH, here it shines [at least with itself] but then it IS designed for

> SECURED, *LOCAL*, corporate networks, behind hard and software firewalls

> and

> other ... we have to overlook NAP, sharing, and other issues constantly

> being screwed up by updates, and its vulnerabilities when connected to the

> Internet.

>

> Your turn...

>

> --

> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

> --

> _________

>

> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

> news:%23bJz8OsyIHA.4864@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> | We've been around this block before. You say "intrusive", I say

> "progress",

> | blah, blah. When you can actually stoop to answer serious questions put

> to

> | you about your theories of comparative OSes, you let me know. Until

> then,

> if

> | you really need an argument, go read our last one.

> |

> | --

> | Gary S. Terhune

> | MS-MVP Shell/User

> | http://grystmill.com

> |

> | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> | news:ud0qd8lyIHA.4492@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> | > Gee, okay, Mr. Sheeple,,, so spend your time downloading hundreds of

> | > "fixes"

> | > for your XP and VISTA machines, that STILL leave you vulnerable, open

> new

> | > vulnerabilities, and support or rather DEMAND YOU support all those

> Web

> | > 2.0,

> | > DRM, and other intrusions; and while knowing that supposedly secure

> system

> | > you run CAN BE and IS constantly being attacked while on the

> Internet...

> | > its

> | > part of the design FEATURE.....

> | >

> | > Run some tests Gary, expand your knowledge..

> | >

> | > --

> | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

> | > --

> | > _________

> | >

> | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

> | > news:%239FKsslyIHA.2208@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> | > | Go diagnose a BSOD, Luddite. Though in your case, you probably

> belong

> | > with

> | > | 9x. You apparently don't actually use your computers for anything

> but

> | > | useless "testing" and posting to the Usenet, maybe some plain text

> | > internet

> | > | surfing. 98's good enough for that.

> | > |

> | > | --

> | > | Gary S. Terhune

> | > | MS-MVP Shell/User

> | > | http://grystmill.com

> | > |

> | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> | > | news:eIOCoSlyIHA.2064@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> | > | > If you want to thump your chest about being a sheeple continue

> on...

> | > | >

> | > | > What's wrong, all the young XP and Vista users run you guys out of

> | > those

> | > | > forums or what...

> | > | >

> | > | > --

> | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

> | > | > --

> | > | > _________

> | > | >

> | > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

> | > | > news:uLZYq8jyIHA.4040@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> | > | > | With a machine as old as yours, you're right. No USB printer for

> | > you --

> | > | > | unless you were to bother to install a USB2 card. But for mouses

> and

> | > | > | keyboards there are USB to AT or PS/2 connectors converters

> readily

> | > | > | available. Heck, lots of USB keyboards and mouses come with a

> PS/2

> | > | > converter

> | > | > | included.

> | > | > |

> | > | > | But if you want to thump your chest about being a Luddite, go

> right

> | > | > ahead.

> | > | > |

> | > | > | --

> | > | > | Gary S. Terhune

> | > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User

> | > | > | http://grystmill.com

> | > | > |

> | > | > | <letterman@invalid.com> wrote in message

> | > | > | news:u6pp44tie7sf1vtepv2rebdbkhiorb1rnp@4ax.com...

> | > | > | > On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 10:47:25 +1000, "Jason James"

> <at@peace.com>

> | > wrote:

> | > | > | >

> | > | > | >>

> | > | > | >>"philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message

> | > | > | >>news:CoadnbgyI56j7dHVnZ2dnUVZ_sninZ2d@ntd.net...

> | > | > | >>>

> | > | > | >>> "Jason James" <at@peace.com> wrote in message

> | > | > | >>> news:484c680f$0$90788$c30e37c6@pit-reader.telstra.net...

> | > | > | >>> > I've had my win98se PC since 1999. Its running 85% free

> | > resources

> | > | > atm.

> | > | > | >>> I've

> | > | > | >>> > finally had to buy another k/board which has a USB plug

> only.

> | > | > | >>> > There is a USB port on the rear of the PC and mention of a

> | > heap

> | > of

> | > | > USB

> | > | > | >>> files

> | > | > | >>> > after doing a "search for files".

> | > | > | >>> >

> | > | > | >>> > My question is: can I simply remove the existing KB from

> it's

> | > | > circular

> | > | > | >>> > socket and plug in the new KB to the single USB?

> | > | > | >>> >

> | > | > | >>> > I did plug in a coffee-cup warmer to the USB once, but

> removed

> | > it

> | > | > when

> | > | > | >>> > I

> | > | > | >>> > found it could only supply 500ma (found this info in one

> of

> | > the

> | > | > port

> | > | > | >>specs

> | > | > | >>> > list) the CCup was 800ma.

> | > | > | >>> > Thanx for any clues,....Jason

> | > | > | >>> >

> | > | > | >>>

> | > | > | >>> Win98 should be able to detect and install your USB

> keyboard.

> | > | > | >>> It will not draw too much current, so you should be OK...

> | > | > | >>> However I'd advise you to use a PS/2 keyboard as you *might*

> not

> | > | > have

> | > | > | >>> USB

> | > | > | >>> keyboard support in the bios

> | > | > | >>

> | > | > | >>Yes, I switched off the PC, unplugged the old KB, and selected

> the

> | > LHS

> | > | > USB

> | > | > | >>port to plug in the new KB. Windows then prompted me 3 times

> to

> | > select

> | > | > | >>various files, then it was all systems go.

> | > | > | >>Thanx for your assistance. I'm not very good at PCs, and I was

> | > worried

> | > | > I

> | > | > | >>would blow something up :-)

> | > | > | >>Jason

> | > | > | >>

> | > | > | >

> | > | > | > You wont blow anything up, but if you want to use raw dos, you

> | > will

> | > | > | > NOT have a working keyboard. I got a usb mouse and since I

> use

> | > dos,

> | > I

> | > | > | > could not have mouse support in dos. I went back to a serial

> | > mouse

> | > | > | > and dumped that usb piece of crap on someone that only uses

> XP.

> | > | > | > Seems they make everything for USB these days. I really dont

> | > | > | > understand why. No USB mice, keyboards, printers for me.

> | > | > | >

> | > | > | > Why would anyone abuse their power supply with a coffee

> warmer.

> | > You

> | > | > | > do have an AC outlet on the wall, right? I wonder how much

> that

> | > thing

> | > | > | > slowed down your computer? Just because someone makes stuff

> like

> | > that

> | > | > | > does not mean it's practical or safe. I got a USB light as a

> | > gift.

> | > | > | > It's pretty much useless. It has only one blue-white LED, so

> I

> am

> | > not

> | > | > | > worried about power use, but I have yet to find a need for it.

> | > | > |

> | > | >

> | > |

> | >

> |

>

June 10, 2008

Re: New k/board has an USB plug

And I bought the (slightly older) HP Laser Jet 1018 (USB) for precisely the

reason that it WILL also work with my Win98SE computer, because it still has

that driver support (I mean that version does, but some of the newer ones,

like the 1020(?), apparently don't).

But I think you're right, it's getting harder to find. Plus - it's nice

not having to use that bulky parallel port cable, too. :-)

On the downside, I believe that if I want to print anything in DOS, that's a

no-go (at least without some additional driver, assuming that is even

available.

Hmmm, maybe there is some driver that could also still work in a DOS shell

for a USB printer, but not in Real DOS mode? - not sure - can't recall)

Jeff Richards wrote:

> They might not be common, but they certainly exist. For instance,

> http://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~heha/bastelecke/Rund%20um%20den%20PC/USB2LPT/index.html.en

>

> But, in any case, I wasn't advocating that solution. For most current

> printers, finding drivers that work with W98 is going to be the bigger

> problem. If the drivers are available, then adding a USB PCI card or even

> a

> USB PCMCIA device is easier than trying to use the parallel port.

> --

> Jeff Richards

> MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)

> "Ingeborg" <a@b.invalid> wrote in message

> news:Xns9AB9641B05A4Aabinvalid@217.21.244.90...

>> Jeff Richards wrote:

>>

>>> Any printer you buy today is going to be USB. You can get parallel to

>>> USB adapters to solve the connection problem, but you would still have

>>> to check that w98 drivers for the printer were available.

>>

>> I don't think so. An USB-parallel adapter is designed to connect a

>> parallel printer to an usb port. Not inversed.

>>

>> When you need a new printer, and don't want/not able to use usb, you'd

>> better look for a network printer, or maybe use a printerserver like

>> this:

>> <http://www.sweex.ch/pers.php?detail=80&sectie=laatste&subsectie=producten>

>> (Don't forget to check if that server supports your printer, and W98)

June 12, 2008

Re: New k/board has an USB plug

I was involved in sourcing one for a client who had a parallel port security

dongle. The software assumed the printer was on the same port, so when they

upgraded the printer we had to find a solution that enabled them to use the

new printer on the same port that the dongle was plugged into. The device

worked extremely well, but that was a very simple printing operation so I

don't know if it supports advanced features of the parallel port.

--

Jeff Richards

MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)

"Ingeborg" <a@b.invalid> wrote in message

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> Jeff Richards wrote:

>

>> They might not be common, but they certainly exist. For instance,

>>

>

> Great! :)) Do you have any experience with this? According to the 'USB2LPT

> - Evaluation system' photo it does not contain any non-trivial logic. So I

> suppose all work is done by the driver. I wonder what that means for

> processor load while printing.

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